With the showrunners new comments I have to ask, do you believe them? What did you think of the comments from the cast? Let me know your thoughts below and as always, thanks for watching :)

@kensummers2894

Жыл бұрын

well they are totally under contract to say only positive things while they are out prompting the show. Look at Mark Hamill skirting the edges to warn the fans with hints about Luke Skywalker. So its really hard to tell if they literally ate up that rhetoric verbal diarrhea.

@GeneralButtNaked69

Жыл бұрын

I think the cast and writers should be drawn and quartered, that would be far more entertaining to watch than this garbage.

@earlofdoncaster5018

Жыл бұрын

@@seanm3872 Nope.

@clogs4956

Жыл бұрын

Wish I'd been at SDCC and in that room... cue the horns.

@florianhelm999

Жыл бұрын

I‘d say they believe in themselves, thinking their woke agenda is indeed the only timeless truth that has to be told. They really believe they add moral weight to what Tolkien wrote, now using those old white man stories to transcend them into something higher, no longer hindered by it‘s former shortcomings. Who ever doesn’t follow suite, does not matter as he represents a past better forgotten. To hell with die-hard fans - old, white and male mostly anyways. There’ll be a whole new fanbase, as this show is inclusive to all out there, and these inhabitants of la-la-land will happily pay to see a grand francise pandering to their narrow-minded regression of what has used to be the philosophy behind the age of enlightenment. Well. As they are expecting to get paychecks from the audience they f* around with, we‘ll see how this use-case of wokenomics will fare.

This show is conceived, implemented and marketed entirely on narcissism. And now that they've been rumbled, they're desperately trying to backpedal and change their tune. But as you point out, the Internet never forgets.

@RanMouri82

Жыл бұрын

Cheers, Drinker! 🍸

@Maniac742

Жыл бұрын

They can't undo what's been done, though. Even if you took them at their word, the final product would not reflect that. It would still be woke trash. That means the absolute BEST they could hope for is that people watch episode 1 before bailing out, figuring out they've been lied to. And that's assuming they watch the entire episode and don't leave in 5 minutes.

@MisterMiller

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure this couldn't possibly go wrong. ::swings bourbon nervously::

@pjetrs

Жыл бұрын

@@Maniac742 the whole problem with these shows is that when people only watch 1 episode, Amazon still wins. Because that person then already has a Prime subscription. Netflix is putting out some hot garbage too, but since they have a lot of great movies too, people are still paying for it. It takes a LOT of garbage before people cancel their subscriptions sadly

@saliuarts

Жыл бұрын

Kinda want to see the show crash and burn, send Hollywood a message

The Orwellian doublespeak on display here from the cast and crew is truly breathtaking. "We've created a timeless story, but we needed to adapt the story to changing times. We're being completely faithful to the source material, but here's a bunch of original characters and events that never happened."

@JosesAmazingWorlds

Жыл бұрын

They are not that clever. Honestly, the actors are clueless. I doubt they have read the Silmarillion. They are high from going from no bit part actor to being in a big production. But they really aren't that intelligent

@asdfasdf5695

Жыл бұрын

​@@JosesAmazingWorlds True. They know nothing about Tolkien other than that it's a popular franchise that can be hyper-commercialized in the name of making a quick buck. I'm expecting 5 more spin-offs in the coming decade with titles like "Hobbit Tales", "LOTR: Sauron", & "The Elvish Chronicles"; empty bullshit that will appeal to the illiterate normies because the titles mention the one thing they're familiar with from the Legendarium.

@svan81

Жыл бұрын

While I agree that the show is a dumpster fire and they are ruining Tolkien's legacy by trying to inject contemporary and modern politics into Arda, i don't think it is Orwellian at all. Not sure why people throw Orwell out there all the time. While the showrunners probably never read Lord of the Rings or any of the other source material, most people who invoke Orwell haven't read any Orwell other than maybe some cliff notes for 1984. Orwell was a socialist who liked to inject contemporary politics into his works as well (e.g. The Road To Wigan Pier).

@jonathanferguson7791

Жыл бұрын

@@JosesAmazingWorlds What sucks too is I don't think i'd ever give any of them a second chance if they appeared in anything else. Nice job, you're starting with a negative following.

@CordeliaWagner

Жыл бұрын

And if you don't agree it's "Deldenk". That's a word from the german translation of 1984 I had as a topic in school. It's roughly translated to "Thoughtcrime"....

“This is how this generation will remember Tolkien moving forward” This is so much worse than I feared. I hate these people

@moonlitskylight5740

Жыл бұрын

It's on us fans to destroy this show. Either with complete indifference with no one watching. Or the first half will be considered good, then it'll be an ever worse shit show and everyone else will join us in destroying it.

@darkhighwayman1757

Жыл бұрын

Upside if its bad...it will be forgotten faster that gsme of thrones

@moonlitskylight5740

Жыл бұрын

@@darkhighwayman1757 No, it'll either be a short success, or it's going to go down in flames. This will either be the Titanic or Lightyear.

@surlyunicorn9461

Жыл бұрын

That’s what it’s all about. The absorption, deconstruction, and transformation of everything we draw inspiration from into soulless propaganda.

@daveeyes

Жыл бұрын

She's simply wrong.

It was so cringe when the actors said they wanted to bring their own cultures to the roles. It's not about bringing your own real life cultures to the roles. It's about portraying the cultures the way Tolkien created them for his world and communicating them faithfully to the audience.

@dustingaethje1332

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how they would feel if white people white washed Black Panther, Django or any african based story and then said "we're just bringing our culture into this role."

@asarishepard8171

Жыл бұрын

well if they wanna play it that way, we need to recreate every worlds culture main myth and stick the opposite race all over it. its only equality.

@TheSuperappelflap

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to acting in the 21st century where the physical attributes you happened to be born with are more important than, you know, acting.

@cosmicspacething3474

Жыл бұрын

Or at least adapting cultures to feel like they would fit in with Tolkiens cultures

A Hollywood studio treating an established fanbase like they’re idiots and medieval peasants. Hmm…. Where have I seen this before?

@cyberleaderandy1

Жыл бұрын

How many examples do you need ? 🤔😂😉

@AncestorEmpireGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@cyberleaderandy1 THERE’S SO MANY!!!

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯

@SpiritGirlSF

Жыл бұрын

They can't win with this obvious pile o' 💩intended to implant the idea the that world needs the Globalism planned by the freaks of the WEF.

@daveeyes

Жыл бұрын

Wheeeeeeeel of Tiiiiiiiiiiiiime....

Tolkien is already timeless. You don’t “update” it and remain timeless.

@EmptyAltruism

Жыл бұрын

So simple, right? That’s why you know they are lying. No person of reasonable intelligence can look at all these parts adding up to a whole that is purely influenced by the concept of being timeless, let alone the source material. We see what you’re doing, we have a good idea why you’re doing it, we don’t like it and you’re doing it anyway. The least you could do is stop gaslighting but no, if you can’t make people watch your program because it’s good maybe you can trick some into watching it…and they will. Whether or not they keep those people is irrelevant to them.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

The best way to think about it is this... take your lord of the rings books.. burn them and replace them with twighlight.. lol

@wpsam52

Жыл бұрын

So you must have hated the Jackson films. Christopher Tolkien certainly did.

@EmptyAltruism

Жыл бұрын

@@wpsam52 compare pj to amazon. Apples and oranges. PJ cared about Tolkien. Amazon cares about money.

@garretttekampe9564

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. That's pretty much it. I bet we're going to see the downfall of numenor be sauron telling people to be racist to their black woman king

“Me me me me me” Yes, that’s how to honour someone’s creation.

Its glaringly obvious they are lying, saying theres no politics in this series whilst the actors are saying its full of contemporary politics and made for the modern era. How stupid do they think we are?

@creepyoldlady2995

Жыл бұрын

Very.

@AncestorEmpireGaming

Жыл бұрын

Normies’s blind obedience shows how stupid we could be in their eyes.

@matthewmosier8439

Жыл бұрын

They keep hoping that like Star Wars/ Halo fans "kept giving it a chance", that we'll watch and earn them money from ad revenue.

@SpiritGirlSF

Жыл бұрын

They can't win with this obvious pile o' 💩intended to implant the idea the that world needs the Globalism planned by the freaks of the WEF.

@johndodo2062

Жыл бұрын

Be real, half of the people they are aiming at really are that stupid

Imagine spending $1billion to make a cinematic representation of one of the greatest literary works ever written and ignoring all source material and world building for the sake of a modern day political ideology. And then, have the balls to call out fans for not loving it. So stunning, so brave, so woke.

@superomegaprimemk2

Жыл бұрын

So stupid, whoever said "Let's fire the scholar, he dead weight!!" should of been fired instead along with the person who hired the show runners, whom I hear, don't have a single proven credit to their names!!

@primmakinsofis614

Жыл бұрын

If you view this series as nothing more than a gigantic tax shelter/money laundering scheme, then the money spent makes sense.

@thebreadbringer9522

Жыл бұрын

@@superomegaprimemk2 It's even worse than not having any experience. I've heard at least one of them is partially responsible for that god-awful Star Trek reboot.

@HearBeeDragons

Жыл бұрын

@@thebreadbringer9522 both showrunners only previous work is uncredited writers on Start Trek Beyond. Yes, they were so good, they were uncredited. Despite having no credentials, someone at Amazon gave them a billion dollar budget.

@superomegaprimemk2

Жыл бұрын

@@thebreadbringer9522 What I hear, they wrote a script for Star Trek 4 but its not been made and they were recomended by Hollywood's biggest hack, the lover of mystery boxes that never get solved, Jar Jar Adams

I'm going to be blunt here. If the world right now was _ever_ to be a direct comparison to Numenor, those people at SDCC would be among those gleefully killing the Faithful in sacrifice to Morgoth.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

Lol that just flew right over the heads of the showrunners my friend.....

Either they're lying now, in which case they don't respect me, or they lied before, in which case I have no reason to trust them. Either way it shows a lack of respect. All of this could have been avoided if they'd just stuck to the lore.

@Wolf-zp5iw

Жыл бұрын

“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

@TheAmbientMage

Жыл бұрын

They'd have to have basic respect to stick to the lore. Clearly they lack that.

@johndodo2062

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAmbientMage they proved that when they fired the lore guy and then claimed he cleared everything they decided to do

@clogs4956

Жыл бұрын

Not just lying - panicking.

@Balandrus

Жыл бұрын

Respecting the material isn't possible, for Marxists.

How else can young girls of color hope to grow up to be dwarves if they don't first see them on screen? Representation is so important.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget this is the first show that has ever portrayed women outside the kitchen.... its such a bold vision of the future...

@Kurodesu96

Жыл бұрын

That's not the point he is trying to make. You can add whatever actor you want on this show but DO NOT CHANGE THE STORY!

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

@@Kurodesu96 don't worry casting gandalf as a Filipinos woman won't effect the story... so they are covered...

@dupplinmuir113

Жыл бұрын

How else will they ever learn how to grow a beard?

They can lie all they want. The consistent, massive number of down votes on their trailers prove that no one is falling for their lies.

@booshmcfadden7638

Жыл бұрын

Everyone involved comes off as extremely selfish and arrogant but saying they're inclusive and open-minded while being openly anti-white and misandrist. tHe mEsSaGe is important, ignore everything else.

The egos of the actors are off the charts. None of Jackson's actors displayed this kind of self aggrandizement. And, for the showrunners, it's say anything when a mic is in front of you. Whether it contradicts yesterday's interview isn't a problem because they apparently really think people are stupid.

@primmakinsofis614

Жыл бұрын

They, like the WEF lunatics, view themselves as the new nobility, the new aristocracy. They see themselves as smarter than everyone else, better than everyone else. They know what's best for the peasants. They know what the peasants should be entertained by, and damn it, they WILL be entertained by it!

@gmualum08

Жыл бұрын

That's what I said to myself too. These actors just lit whatever tiny amount of goodwill left for this show on fire with that SDCC panel interview.

The issue with Numenor wasn’t “disunity” or “division”. It was that people were defying Eru, and following Sauron in Morgoth worship.

@sacrebleuthedeadlypokeofzo8566

Жыл бұрын

Which is ironic, because the same error - turning away from good to embrace evil on a societal level - is the same one the cultural vandals and "subversives" that made "ROP" insist upon becoming the norm. "How dare you not rebel against good and embrace evil like we have, don't you know you are dividing society?!" ...Never admitting, of course, that THEY divided society first, by being the ones to rebel in the first place.

@paulboggess1330

Жыл бұрын

That sounds more accurate to modern times in America than what they said

@arctain1

Жыл бұрын

This is probably the biggest ‘lie’ that will be told in this travesty of a show - that what brought down Numenor was that one side didn’t agree with the other side and that BOTH sides had equal weight and a claim to truth. Nope - Eru destroying it proved that one as false.

There are two moments from SDCC that show how much desperate they are. The balrog at the end ("Hey, we have a balrog too!! Why no one is coming to our pavillion?"); and the use of Tom Shippey's name ("Ah, so NOW that you are desperate you plead to Tom Shippey?") Were I Shippey I would send them a letter from my lawyer: "You didn't want me? Fine. Stop using my name".

@JosephArata

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, he can file a cease and desist letter using his name without his permission. They fired him, they can't have their cake and eat it too. Nice try marketing fuckos, that shit is illegal.

@johndodo2062

Жыл бұрын

Even better, he should make a KZread video telling what went down. That would explode. A letter from his lawyer would be fine behind closed doors and it would help nothing

@Slitheringpeanut

Жыл бұрын

@@JosephArata Yes it is.

@vincenzoberetta1085

Жыл бұрын

@@johndodo2062 Shippey could still be under NDA and barred from telling what happened. Blocking them from using his name, however, would still be his contribution. The biggest own-goal here was that they pimped Shippey's work on the show. As Disparu said, you only need one guy who wonders "Hmmm... What EXACTLY this guy did?" to see their whole castle of lies coming down - even if the showrunners are already managing this feat by themselves.

@TheRealMonkeyrogue

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Shippey can slap one of them on camera screaming "keep my name out of you ___ mouth!"

How puffed up and proud do you have to be to say that the entire world needs to be rebalanced just to fit these actor's opinions. It is absolutely breathtakingly filled with hubris.

@SinnMaschine

Жыл бұрын

Its astonishing, isn't it?

@mjjohansson1702

Жыл бұрын

They have entire continents to be diverse on. Somehow they feel entitled to what is ours as well.

@asarishepard8171

Жыл бұрын

YOU'RE ACTORS!! the source material doesn't care about your opinions!

@RanMouri82

Жыл бұрын

"Sheer f****** hubris."

@asarishepard8171

Жыл бұрын

@@RanMouri82 "(leans in close to the camera, triggered) shut the f&&& up!"

“I’m an activist…” Yeah, I’m out.

They mistake the meaning of the word timeless. Yes their show will be remembered but not for the the reasons they hope.

Good Christ guys. Both the showrunners and fans, open the first book. Literally, the first damn book. The prologue. Tolkien lays out his thoughts on allegory and applicability. He states people confuse allegory and applicability. He says his work will be applicable to many historical events, people, places, times, but ONLY because almost all stories are applicable in this way. His story is not allegory, so people will apply it to things, but neither should be done. From his own damn mouth, he hates allegory, and applicability is an unfortunate byproduct of the story, but not the intent, either. He wanted his story, in his world, with his characters, as a cosmological creation story of the English world. A love letter to his language primarily. That's what it was for, that is what he wanted. Anything beyond that is dipshits waxing poetic about contrived applications or allegories. Influences and inspirations are a completely different story.

@notcrazy6288

Жыл бұрын

Do you think that any of these actors and writers actually read the books or used them for anything other than quick reference material?

@arisucheddar3097

Жыл бұрын

You're correct, and if this series were aligned heavily with Tolkien I would be more apt to think it was more accidentally applicable than deliberately political.

@vincenzoberetta1085

Жыл бұрын

@@notcrazy6288 They couldn't anyway, as they don't have the rights on them.

@kevinkorenke3569

Жыл бұрын

The thing you are missing is that the showrunners don't care or they aren't skilled enough to know. They are assuming the fans won't know or care either

@rocix.1647

Жыл бұрын

None of them know how to read!

I would love to ask Ismael Cruz and Sophia Nomvete the following questions: -How does it feel to be the literal token characters in the series? -How does it feel to be mere tools used by the showrunners and Amazon to pander to the thirsty dishonest activists that can't imagine anything original so they try and take over other people's intellectual properties? -What's it like knowing one of your legacies as an actor was to betray the very source material you were meant to enact?

@skylx0812

Жыл бұрын

Bought and paid for uptown browns.

@wpsam52

Жыл бұрын

Remember the rants prior to Jackson's films? Some (people probably like you) were outraged that a gay man was being cast to play Gandalf. Sauron lives on in the hearts of the haters. You haven't even seen it yet. Pathetic.

@silverscorpio24

Жыл бұрын

@@wpsam52 Remember all of the pushback we got from Amazon for our criticisms of the show (probably from people like you) calling us racists and bigots? It's sad you don't recognize your own bigotry and projection. Pathetic.

@tutuadefolalu3661

Жыл бұрын

You’re “what-aboutism” is duly noted. That has no bearing on the blatant token black characters we’re seeing in this show. As someone from Nigeria I am well versed in spotting token characters when they are presented. To quote a wise man, “don’t piss in my pocket and tell me it’s raining.” Or to be more specific, don’t give me a black elf with short hair and tell me it’s Tolkien. And do t give me a black female dwarf with no beard and (1) lie about it being the first female dwarf seen on screen and (2) act like it makes sense within the story. You want to include people that have darker skin? Work within the confines of the lore. There are other groups of people within Arda that you could have black and brown actors and actresses play. Cultures and people we only get a glimpse of in the main stories. We could have interesting and original stories with them. But that takes creativity, effort, respect for the established lore, and talent. It is far far easier to simply race-swap characters and then label anyone who calls you out on it as “racist.”

@jimh472

Жыл бұрын

@@wpsam52 I have never ONCE heard the made-up bullsh!t complaint you are asserting. What's pathetic is YOUR LIES.

"accuse your enemy of what you're doing" Ya, that's how we know what they're actually doing 👍🏼

It just hit me that these people literally have no idea what escapist fiction is at it's heart. "Fiction books and novels were an affordable and easy means for readers to escape into another world, so people used escapist fiction to provide them with a temporary psychological escape from the realities of their world." -Wikipedia

At SDCC LAST WEEKEND, the cast and show runners literally spoke about how the series was made for modern audiences. What a load of tripe.

@CreativeCreatorCreates

Жыл бұрын

I wonder what it feels like to sell their souls for pure garbage.... Yikes.

@superomegaprimemk2

Жыл бұрын

Modern audience will not support this trash fire, because it's unfaithful and doesn't respect the creator in any shape or form, the worse part of this is that it's coming out on the day Tolkien died, so there is no respect at all!!

@toof987

Жыл бұрын

so timeless...

@primmakinsofis614

Жыл бұрын

@@CreativeCreatorCreates I doubt they are bothered. They are most likely true believers in the ideology.

@CreativeCreatorCreates

Жыл бұрын

@@primmakinsofis614 agreed.

I cannot wait to see the Tolkien Community rip this shit show apart.

@cyberleaderandy1

Жыл бұрын

They already are.

@danielledaniel1900

Жыл бұрын

The memes will get better

@SpiritGirlSF

Жыл бұрын

Keep up the Rebellion! They can't win with this obvious pile o' 💩intended to implant the idea the that world needs the Globalism planned by the freaks of the WEF.

@lucasoheyze4597

Жыл бұрын

All three of them?

@kathleenhensley5951

Жыл бұрын

I'm not watching it so I won't be able to rip it apart. Don't give your money to garbage people doing garbage things.

What's interesting that they're not talking or referring to the religious aspects within the Numenorian story - it's an inherently religious story. It's like Tolkien's ideals and beliefs are not even a consideration for them when talking about his creation and their "adaptation" of his works!

@sacrebleuthedeadlypokeofzo8566

Жыл бұрын

How do you expect a bunch of real-life Morgoth worshippers to tell the story of Numenor accurately? The show is essentially written from _their_ perspective, thanks to the subversive writers and staff - remember that!

Considering almost all of the answers at SDCC were “here’s exactly how modern politics have influenced the show, casting choices, portrayals of characters, and etc” it’s a very interesting take to act like that’s not the case all of a sudden…

If someone insists on seeing themselves reflected back at them, then they should look into an actual mirror and not a TV or movie screen.

@Vexarax

Жыл бұрын

It's funny how the dwarf actress is acting like she's representing future generations who can see themselves onscreen etc when black people, and overweight people, have been onscreen for decades. But she's acting as a dwarf and isn't even a dwarf, who are arguably the most marginalised people in the entire entertainment industry as very few parts are written for them. They should have cast an actual black dwarf female, which I think _would_ be a 'first'? There are many movies with female dwarf characters, but there are less using _actual_ women dwarves. And I've never seen one with a black female dwarf. But as things stand she isn't a "first" in anything, aside from being the first to loudly and repeatedly claim she's the first when she isn't, lol

"We want to make this show timeless while inserting things that will do the opposite."

Tolkien was writing in a time when modernism was the dominant literary trend. If he wanted to write in that tradition, he would have. His work seems to be a lot more reflective of the romantic period 100 years before and I see echoes of Sir Walter Scott and William Wordsworth in his work.

@theeffete3396

Жыл бұрын

This is true. Tolkien belonged to the Tea Club, Barrovian Society, of which the stated mission was a revival of historical literature and styles.

@dronesclubhighjinks

Жыл бұрын

Serious question: Would you include Tennyson in your list? I believe I have read that young JRRT and his friends were very taken with the mediaeval spirit/history both for its own sake, and for being a sort of idyllic (ha!) time before industrialization.

@petesime

Жыл бұрын

@@dronesclubhighjinks I would think so - he had a strong influence on the Pre-Raphaelites, so he definitely had a place in the new appreciation for medievalism and Tolkien explicitly cited William Morris as an influence.

@RanMouri82

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Tolkien didn't live that long ago. The setting of his stories was ancient because he wanted it to be.

@RanMouri82

Жыл бұрын

@@dronesclubhighjinks These were folks who were too smart to assume medieval life was idyllic. They simply chose, for their own reasons, to focus on ideals of beauty and nobility.

I really hope Sir Ian McKellen stays far away from this project, for his own good. He already had it really rough in the Hobbit and it would be so much worse for this trashfire. These people are so vile they would not hesitate to burn him as a sacrifice on their trashfire if they thought it would help them even one iota.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

I'd say don't be stupid.... but watching all the old trek actors flocking to picard and new trek just makes my heart sink... so I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole cast of Peter Jacksons movies falling over themselves to support this show.... Ian McKellen will be the first one to say of course gandalf should be played by a woman in this show.... they are all working actors and aren't the defenders of Tolkien....

@agentsmithmememe

Жыл бұрын

Most of them have distanced themselves from it

@gabrieltejada1697

Жыл бұрын

@@Ma55ey except for Christopher Lee but he's unfortunately gone now but at least he doesn’t have to deal with today’s BS.

@hugzpls

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrieltejada1697 For reals. And he actually did meet Tolkien (he was such a fan boy) so I feel like he wouldn’t really want to connect with this either

"The women don't serve the men around us on set" I genuinely want to see what they're doing that's different. Do the women boss around the men? Do they get to decide what and how to film? Do they not follow the orders of the director and do whatever they feel like? What exactly is there to change that would make the women more independent on set?

@moonlitskylight5740

Жыл бұрын

No, she meant in the show. They're giving the women in the show agency over the men. Not in the production sense.

@jonathanferguson7791

Жыл бұрын

Right, because it's not like Galdriel didn't CREATE AND MANAGE A KINGDOM?

@siggilinde5623

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanferguson7791 Did you not see how Celeborn shushed Galadriel and told her to go back in the kitchen in Fellowship of the Ring?

@jonathanferguson7791

Жыл бұрын

@@siggilinde5623 Or when (yes I know it differs from Glorfindel's role) Arwen falls off her horse and begs Aragorn to come rushing out of the woods to save her from the 9?

@siggilinde5623

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanferguson7791 So true! And even that short part near the end of Return of the King! Females are treated so badly even Lobelia Sackville Baggins was hit with an umbrella. Poor soul

I found tolkien when I was 13, growing up Hispanic I never once thought of seeing my self represented. It's insane how these people need to add this inclusiveity propaganda in literally everything and call it groundbreaking smh

@asarishepard8171

Жыл бұрын

i know right, im white and discovered anime and went into japanese myth from there. never saw my race in there, but was still entertained to all hell.

>Showrunners create harfoots as a species separate from hobbits out of whole cloth >Showrunners create new harfoot traditions separate from anything Tolkien wrote out of whole cloth >Lead harfoot actress wants to subvert the harfoot tradition that was just created

@jonathancullis9155

Жыл бұрын

Ironic

Regarding Tolkien's dislike for allegory - the entire issue with with woke stories are that they're written by activists who think they need to scream and beat audiences over the head and tell them what to think. To just present a story as it is and let the audience decide what to think about it isn't what they're about to begin with any more than religion. That these are the people, of all people, handling Tolkien's work is a disgrace.

I thought that the entire point of second age is that evil may easily mask as good. Sauron fooled almost everyone with his "I am a bringer of gifts" spiel. So yes, while good and evil do exists it is oftentimes pretty hard to tell them apart.

@angharad256

Жыл бұрын

In our world we are somehow losing repeatedly to STUPID evil. It's just salt in the wound.

@Mediados

Жыл бұрын

@@angharad256 Honestly if you would write the last 20 years of human history down, order the events in a manner that you could sell it as a seperate book and then got it into shops, people would say your story is absolutely ridiculous because nobody would act this mindless.

@gabrieltejada1697

Жыл бұрын

@@angharad256 and that’s mostly due to many of them being brainwashed since birth so that they grow up to become like that and keep the status quo going.

Disparu, you are on fire with these videos. Keep it up. Someone needs to do an old school kind of trailer for this show. You know, the kind that was nothing but quotes from people like "Smashing entertainment!" and "This is REAL heroism!" only using the quotes from the actors and showrunners instead.

@stevelamond5038

Жыл бұрын

hear hear!

@moonlitskylight5740

Жыл бұрын

Maybe George the Giant Slayer's video?

@rocksem9451

Жыл бұрын

@@moonlitskylight5740 Did he do one like that? I knew he did a fake trailer.

I did not catch that the first viewing. They have legitimately armed them with talking points and specific ways to respond to every question. Him pointing out "applicable, Tolkien might say" was a "see what I did there?" moment. He even looked around at his cronies to confirm himself.

I don't know why I ever let myself get excited about this show. I will spend more time watching people online tear it apart than I do actually watching it myself - which will be none.

Gotta laugh at the desperate attempt to defend self-confessed modern fanfic. Though, with so much money involved, what else could they do?

@notcrazy6288

Жыл бұрын

I'd have a lot more sympathy if this were actually fanfiction. The term implies that the people who are writing it actually care about the body of work and are doing their best to add to it in a manner faithful to the original vision. These people don't know a damned thing about Tolkien except that he's an old white religious dude who can be safely ignored because he's so far down on the hierarchy of intersectional oppression. These people are ideologues, and rather stupid ones.

"Το κακό δεν μπορεί να δημιουργήσει τίποτα καινούργιο, μπορεί μόνο να διαφθείρει και να καταστρέψει όλα όσα οι καλές δυνάμεις έχουν εφεύρει ή κατασκευάσει." - J.R.R. Tolkien

@SMhydra

Жыл бұрын

Bla bla bla we dont care

@danielmichalski94

Жыл бұрын

@@SMhydra "Evil cannot create anything new, it can only corrupt and destroy everything that good forces have invented or constructed." - translated back to english.

@chuggermagic

Жыл бұрын

@Hydra You sound like the RoP showrunnners addressing criticism

@AjayKumar-hh6hx

Жыл бұрын

I am not going to watch this show; partly for the same reasons. But to say that the showrunners or actors are evil because they are not going to make the show the way you want is just hyperbole aimed at cancelling them. At the end of the day, it is just a show, and the actors will have to work with the script they are given. To satisfy my hunger for Tolkien's, i simply re-read the books and rewatch the movies ever month. Fandoms are becoming increasingly toxic.

@kaizokujimbei143

Жыл бұрын

@@AjayKumar-hh6hx What's the point of making it in the first place if you are not interested in the slightest to faithfully adapt the professor's work?

The whole panel is horrendous, The actors have openly admitted to insert their nauseating Californian radical identity politics into something that should have none of it!

I was at Manchester Comic Con yesterday and managed to catch the stage talk with Bernard Hill and John Rhys Davies. Their enthusiasm for their craft, and the three films they made with Peter Jackson was so moving and you could tell that they are passionate about acting and the whole production team was passionate about the movies they were making. Compare that to modern day cast and crew interviews - "so much is happening in the world it is important that we bring that to the character and story." It is pathetic.

The only thing that will be timeless anyone will remember from Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, is the amount of money lost in acquiring the rights and production cost in what is inevitably going to be one of the worst shows on streaming.

Thank you! This is it exactly! How brainless do they think we are? Every time they open their mouths I ask myself, "didn't they say the opposite five seconds ago?" The lies just keep piling up, and I find myself insulted that they would think that I am that stupid!

When he mentioned the fall of Numenor being caused by division and there's something to be learned from it is kind of interesting. They want division, it's what they have been doing, so then they can claim one side doesn't want unity.

@earlofdoncaster5018

Жыл бұрын

Also Numenor didn't fall because of division, it fell because Illuvatar threw a hissy fit.

@booshmcfadden7638

Жыл бұрын

@@earlofdoncaster5018 That doesn't matter to the FREAKIN SHOWRUNNERS. For Christ sake, they changed everything to fit their personal political agenda.

@peteg475

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but he threw a hissyfit because Sauron corrupted most of them and talked them into invading Valinor. The fact that Sauron didn't convince everyone is technically a "division'" in the population, but all that did was determine who was going to survive the disaster and who wasn't. But yes, the "division' between the Faithful and the King's Men wasn't why the Island was destroyed. It was destroyed because most of the population became, essentially, murdering Satanists who tried to use their navy to get their way.

@theeffete3396

Жыл бұрын

@Earl of Doncaster Well that's a grossly over-simplied version of events. Numenor fell because of man's hubris and desire for instant gratification in life, rather than delayed gratification in death. The violation of the Ban of the Valar was seen was the ultimate betrayal of Eru's design for man. Manwë sent the Numenorians several warnings in the form of eagle-shaped thunderclouds when they fell to Melkor worship and human sacrifice. It wasn't a "hissy fit," it was righteous judgment.

@RanMouri82

Жыл бұрын

Gaslighting on a grand scale. Conservatives are the unhinged bigots even though they're not burning buildings, screaming in people's faces, or harassing judges outside their homes.

Yes. Lrt's add modernity into Tolkien: A Monorail in Moria, the Fed, the NHS, Harfoots hunting harpies with Harrier jets, Moria Mountain Theme Park, a 40 hour work week, dwarves clocking in and out, celebrity chefs, etc.

@darkhighwayman1757

Жыл бұрын

And what about numenor's tax and tariff policy ?

@earlofdoncaster5018

Жыл бұрын

Also Sauron is suspiciously orange.....

I just find it weird why none of them never talk about the actually fucking story but keep banging on about inclusivity and diversity. This show is going to tank and I for one am going to enjoy the reviews from the likes of Disparu, Critical Drinker, etc. Gonna be great.

@jonathanferguson7791

Жыл бұрын

You're right. It's never "Man, I can't wait for you guys to see some of the adventures and battles. I'm so excited to show you guys some of the grit and wonder!" Its always "Yeah so female characters finally have agency and elves don't look all the same all the time always, okay hair cuts exist guys."

@adbylsh2756

Жыл бұрын

Its because they can’t give away the plot you can’t spoil anything before the series come out

@hugzpls

Жыл бұрын

@@adbylsh2756 so they can’t talk about the main storyline? It’s like grabbing a book and not knowing what the story will be. There should be a synopsis

If they mean egg timer by " timeless " then yes the clock has already been running for awhile and will pop when this piece of garbage probably doesn't even make its 5 year run.

Amazon: we want to make it timeless like Tolkien's Audience: So, you're gonna make it exactly what he wrote. Amazon: No, we're gonna make it reflect the current day (2020s). Audience: 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏼🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏿🤦🏻‍♀️

After I watch that same interview I pasted the full "applicability" quote on to several places. It was so dishonest for him to use it in that way. They literally redefined applicability to mean what Tolkien considered allegory. . .

The fact that the show runners have to do a denial interview proves everything like a person having to tell everyone how smart they are when intelligent people don’t have to proclaim anything.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

Yea remember when Dan and David pretended that arya killing the night king was foreshadowed in season 2.. lol

They're lying about this by saying there won't be any allegory as if allegory is the only way to insert politics. Any interview with the actors or even a quick glance at their approach to characters, characterizations, and story decisions, plus Amazpn's DEI policy immediately show that this is 100% affected through and through by politics.

The best way to do against this, is to pretend this show doesn't exist.

Just like Melkor, the people behind this show are "liars without shame." Thank you, Disparu, for putting in the work to keep track of all this scattered material so you can call out their BS! I loved when you talked about "playing within the parameters." Fans in general would be much more forgiving of some creative liberties IF they were taken within the context of the canon - complimentary rather than contradictory.

"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." Foreword to the Second Edition (October, 1966)

Thanks very much once again, Disparu. I'm confident I'm not alone in very much appreciating all the hard work and effort you perform, in drawing together so many instances of these silly people continuously countering their own statements and presentations. When a group unified by a common element (this circus/show) cannot even read from the same script of talking points, let alone consistently argue against their OWN previous nonsense, how on earth could they possibly hope to convince "The Fans" they are true to their own spin-doctoring? They can't, so as you succinctly pointed out, they try to depend on the passage of time to cover-up and bury their previous spins. (But the Internet NEVER forgets!) Sadly (for them) they've put far too much credence into the consideration that "today's audience" has the attention span of goldfish. That may be true for some franchises but they've elected to pit themselves against an incredibly learned Fandom, that don't subscribe to the jangling shiny keys theory of entertainment. This Fandom, READS BOOKS, ya twits. And I'm not talking about a paperback "Tolkien For Dummies". I'm talking about one of the greatest pieces of Literary Fiction written in the entire 20th Century. So yeah, go ahead, bring Gandalf into your story over 1000 years before his actual appearance. It would just be icing on this mold ridden cake at this point.

Wasn’t Tolkien a very devout Catholic and that faith influenced his writings

@braddl9442

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@richardrose2606

Жыл бұрын

You're a racist. I win.

@dream_cruiser

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's why his world is consisted of many gods and not just one, smh

@thegreenarrow8286

Жыл бұрын

I guess this must be one of those fake articles along with the many others on his faith.

@richardrose2606

Жыл бұрын

@@dream_cruiser Wrong. Even in his made up fantasy world there is only one God, Eru also called Iluvatar. The Valar are "angelic powers" or "gods" (what I would call demi-gods) subordanate to the one God. They assisted in the creation of the heaven and earth but Eru was the source of creation.

That one actor might as well be saying, "This show helps me bring out my inner lioness and prove all men through their time and ours are ignorant fools that need to be lead."

0:44 Just another example of an actress I'd unconsciously grown to like because of a fictional character she'd played only for me to immediately realise truth will yet again be stranger than fiction. I loved Nazanin in How I Met Your Mother and from that must have developed appreciation for her despite it being a performance of a character, written and rehearsed. All it took was for me to hear 'And I as an activist' for me to immediately roll my eyes. I know she's had an actual career in being a spokesperson and board member for years alongside the acting career (and the dread scientology, another red alert) but it's so unbelievably frustrating and downright boring, in today's 24/7 politicised, propagandised era to hear yet another celebrity actor intentionally look to bring that energy and approach, trying to find or worse, instil a modern take on a works written 70 odd years ago, from a totally different time, rather than respecting the era this was created in. That one line by one actor really is a microcosm for the entire problem this show has built it's foundation on. Sadly, having viewed the video further, every single actress so far has done exactly the same thing. Deary me.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

Best thing for you to do my friend is don't bother watching... do what I did with new trek.. flush it from your KZread feed... pretend it never happened... You'll be all the happier for it...

@toof987

Жыл бұрын

I know how you feel. I loved Nazanin in Homeland as Fara. But the things she says in these panels is so frustrating.

@cyberleaderandy1

Жыл бұрын

@@toof987 I suspect a lot of these people, because rhey are on panels, are all trying to outdo one another in the woke stakes. They probably dont believe anything of what they said but because one said something they all do it.

@user-nv2wt4hi8t

Жыл бұрын

@@Ma55ey 100% mate. That's exactly what I plan to do. At best I'll be watching for 'so bad it's good' laughs with a mate after it's premiered so that we don't add to the viewing numbers.

@user-nv2wt4hi8t

Жыл бұрын

@@toof987 Exactly, it's definitely another example of 'separate the art from the artist'!

peter Jacksons lord of the rings you believed the actors were the characters you saw on screen and not actors playing a role rangs of powr just from the ads you can see these are actors who don't care about anything other than pushing THE MESSAGE and getting a pay cheque. i really hope this show tanks fucking hard. thanks for making these videos i love watching them

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to 21st century entertainment my friend...

If I had a billion Dollars to create my own show I'd hire actors that do what their fucking told and not "bing their own heritage" into it.

Everything is on the table... Frodo and Sam time travel back to the second age for a one off adventure with Sauron and Galadriel

Beautifully put! I do appreciate your eloquence in calling out this whole debacle. They (Amazon producers) are obviously anticipating tremendous backlash in September, and I for one am curious as to how their control damage tactics will play out. I think it's clear that they were optimistic about the feedback they'd receive in the early stages of this production (4 years ago I suppose) in terms of incorporating/shoehorning modernity - before the backlashes of Star Wars, Wheel of Time, et cetera which happened after production of Rings of Power was on high gear. Hence their hesitation in releasing more content sooner. I suppose they must have realised the giant turd and problem they had in their hands when fans of the aforementioned franchises voiced their displeasure spectacularly on social media. Still I think this abomination of a series will top (negatively) all others in terms of viewership, reactions and ratings. It will definitely be a timeless lesson on what not to do with a successful literary IP. Good riddance.

@m4nt1c0r3s

Жыл бұрын

The issue is that its bundled with prime, so most people would be reluctant to vote with their wallets and cancel their prime because of "inconvenience", its what drives most people today, its why Netflix took years of blatant pandering and straight up "Cuties" before people actually woke up and decided thats its enough, and its still limited. 4 Years ago Christopher was still alive, so he had a tighter grip on whats going on, its why nothing really moved while he was alive, because the amazon people didn't want to tell the story Tolkiens son did, so they just waited for him to pass, drove out all the actual "Tolkien scolars" like Shippey the guy they fired but now would use his name to relate to fans and replaced them with their activists and hacks.

In other news, the dude who complemented the chick's ears is now being accused of sexual harassment Luckily for him, he's already posted a 20 minute apology video to KZread with 8 different camera angles. And we all know that *APOLOGY VIDEOS WORK EVERY TIME*

The people behind the show NOT talking at all would do less damage to their project at this point.

The people working on Amazon's Rings of Poop are incredibly talented - talented at blowing smoke up other people's skirts.

"the books still speak to many people" Yet the same people tell us that Tolkien's work didn't have enough "diversity"? And as we know, because those people have shoved it down our throats, an individual can't identify with something, unless they can see themselves in it! Which then raises an obvious question! How did all those people from all those different races and cultures, ever become fans of Tolkien in the first place? It's a question for which they have no answer, and as we know, when that happens, the left pretends it doesn't exist! Wilful ignorance at its finest!

The show isn't allegorical! Might want to tell everyone connected with the show. Including the writers.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

Lol yea sauron being played by Donald Trump means absolutely nothing.....

Tolkien has a broad community of passionate fans. Lying about Tolkien is an especially dumb idea. The internet never forgets. Couple that with a fan base that already smells crap and I see an disaster of epic proportions in the making.

Disparu - Thank you for your relentless effort to curate all of this source media to continue showing just how many lies from both directions are being perpetuated by the showrunners, writers, directors, actors, and consultants on this piece of garbage.

You are, hands down, the best critical analyst on youtube when it concerns the rings of power. Most other content creators just show their disgust but can't really break down articles/media on the same level that you can. Love your content.

What just amazes me is how they think they can 'adapt' something in a way that it represents our world. They realise the story theyre 'trying' to tell is already written down and if it doesnt reflect our world, well then quite simply it doesnt reflect our world. If you want to make something that represents how the world looks like now then make something new yourself and not completely change someone else's work

@gmualum08

Жыл бұрын

But they can't do that of course, they're not talented enough

@debanydoombringer1385

Жыл бұрын

They've stopped saying adaptation and now the marketing says "based on". That's how you know they are starting to sweat from the backlash and they know they aren't winning the marketing campaign on this show.

Wow short bus riding, window licking people trying to tell you how to accept them. I'm so surprised.

I wonder how excited and enthused if they were given paper with money drawn on it and then us saying its the same thing!

I don’t understand how some people can be so shallow that they can’t connect with characters unless they look like them. Also, the Witcher tv show depicted a female dwarf on screen last year and she had a beard. They are either clueless or intentionally denying everything. (We all know the answer to that one)

@moonlitskylight5740

Жыл бұрын

Peter Jackson had female dwarves in The Hobbit movies.

@ViolentMessiah666

Жыл бұрын

@@moonlitskylight5740 There's very little point trying to argue facts with people like the showrunners/actors, they'll just move the goalposts til they win. "I'm the first female dwarf ever depicted on screen" - there was a female dwarf in Willow back in the 80s "I'm the first female dwarf ever depicted in Tolkien's work" - there were female dwarves in The Hobbit "I'm the first female dwarf of colour ever depicted on screen in a show that airs on a friday" - guess you got us there 🙄

@earlofdoncaster5018

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien Dwarves aren't Witcher Dwarves. But Gimli wasn't lying.

@TheRealRyanMickens

Жыл бұрын

As someone who's half black, half Mexican, I find it extremely racist of them, to think that I don't have the mental capacity to identify with anyone other than people of my own skin color. It's extremely ironic that they try to force me to only like black characters. Lol

@asarishepard8171

Жыл бұрын

my sister and i looked up to Luke Skywalker as kids. We're both girls. Yet we can emphasize with a man. imagine that!

The problem with activists, is that their main concern is to defend a cause, not entertain people. Activists will consume all their intelligence and attention into meta, real life, social context, politics, then when it comes to storytelling, character development, actor direction, script, they are stuck with politcal correctness all around, their creativity is screwed, no quality stuff can come out of this, ever. Stop hiring acdtivists when it comes to entertainment, they don't fit in.

I really think Amazon's missed an opportunity by not including some modern pop songs at key emotional moments. Maybe a couple of rock songs during battle scenes too. Just to ensure that timeless quality.

Disparu you are doing a really valuable work here. Thanks for keeping it up! 🙏

I’m not the biggest Tolkien fan but I greatly appreciate the amount of effort you put into these videos and how you go over all the details.. it seems like the underlying theme to wokeism in general is that it all falls apart when you start asking questions

@gmualum08

Жыл бұрын

That's why Disney's theme is "Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product"

They must truly beleive we are all complete idiots. So many lies and contradictions from these clowns.

@darkhighwayman1757

Жыл бұрын

They think they know better and whatever they make we will like

@GreatGreebo

Жыл бұрын

@@darkhighwayman1757 Right?!? I think they severely underestimated the level of literacy among true Tolkien fans. Perhaps they’d only interacted with fans of PJ’s LOTR?!? Because that fandom is NOT the same as the readers & lovers of *Tolkien’s* work. I really hope this Amazon series goes down like the Hindenburg, to serve as a warning to anyone else who thinks they can ‘write the story Tolkien never did’.

Honestly the allegory vs applicable adaptation is a moot point as we can’t be certain until the show is released, though I wouldn’t hold onto hope. The real issue we should be focused on is the absolute betrayal of Tolkien’s writings already displayed by the limited information given. These people have the gall to say they refer to the books as they thrash the timeline, reinvent characters and wring a 50 hour series from an appendix

I see Amazon is going with the old "Tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth" strategy.

So, the show needs to reflect the world as it currently is, according to some of people involved with it. That prompts me to ask this question: what percentage of the show's principal cast is East Asian? (Defined here as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese.) Because about 21.7% of the world's population is East Asian. So by their logic that means about one out of every five of the principal cast members should be from either China, Japan, Korea, or Vietnam.

Yes...Hollywood has changed its lens. They used to make entertainment...now they make rubbish. The actor couldn't be more right.

@darkhighwayman1757

Жыл бұрын

It's just content now

Disparu you are absolutely crushing it! Every video is a home run.

Great seeing you on with Purple Valkyrie today!

Ring of the Rings: The Rings of Ringing

Instead of having to use all that time, energy and money on damage control, they should just have just been faithful to the author and not disrespect the fans to begin with, but since this is Amazon we're talking about, that was never an option they would ever even consider.

Loving the videos at the moment you speak with passion for the things you really care about top notch 👌

Stellar and truthful video - again. Thank you!

100% agree with you that limitations causes creativity... look at the 30+ of the Star Wars Expanded Universe and even though Disney claims it isn't canon, despite it being established as such for 30 years, they keep using it for their stuff

The amount of dissonance is off the fking charts, they claim to be doing something and its contrary in the same interview or article

Disparu, you are the best! These people just aren’t in touch with reality.

Absolutely brilliant critique!

“And thou, [Amazon}, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in [Tolkien], nor can any alter the music in [his] despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but [Tolkiens] instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.” based on J.R.R.Tolkien And the quote is so good because Amazon created the last alliance of LOTR-Fans and every other Fandom and this is more beautiful than The Rings of power and wasn't intented by Amazon.

Lord of the turds is coming strong.

This is your best commentary yet. We have to take them to task and hold these people accountable.

Fantastic on point video once again dude! Keep it up! 🤟😎