This is great, thank you for your honest opinion! I really like the goals that you have set for yourself at the end of the video. I essentially want to do the same thing where I live! Keep on learning you’re doing great.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joey :) Glad to find more people like me

@OxysLokiMoros

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see students with really bad genetics or health problems, if you just pick the ones with great genetics(healthy, symmetrical, no weak connectiv tissue, no scoliosis etc.) it is easy to train them and they will make fast progress and learn things like handstands, backflips etc. I know Ido, since he startet coaching in Berlin, Germany and a good friend told me about a workshop and the content. They talked about supercompensation!^^ Wow, that´s really a secret....not. Ido´s content is good for motivation, but he has nothing else to offer. He just implemented old systems in his own system and his marketing was great.

The physical part of Ido is nice, but they have sooo many cult characteristics as a group that I gave up doing any of their workshops. I’m sad so many people idolize him and act like followers. Glad to get to this video! 👏🏼

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

It happens in many fields. Thank you for watching :)

Refreshingly honest! I love Ido's philosophy, but it's nice to get a more balanced review from someone who's been through his Method.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it brother :)

Nice video. Very high production value. Elitist is exactly the vibe I got from Ido Portal. Like "unless you are doing movement practice 6 hours a day, you are not a real mover and you suck." I saw how Ido was behaving online too and he honestly just seemed like a jerk to people, and reminded me of my time in a couple of cults in my 20s where I idolized abusive assholes. The movement quality instruction does look excellent though, which is no doubt why it attracts so much attention. Also because of the specialized skills which look cool like 1-arm handstand and planche. But I don't care at all about doing a 1-arm handstand or doing a planche. I'm not a gymnast and don't care about impressing people with movement skills I can do that other people who don't train 6 hours a day can't do.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

You also commented on the FB group :) I replied fully there. Thank you for your feedback brother

Thank you so much for making this video !

Perfect summary, and confirms everything I've already heard about this but I'm a more succinct way

Thanks for sharing. I am doing the online support with Move More since october 2020. It’s like Ido Portal method. The bad thing with the real Ido portal method is that you have to spend a lot off time doing /practice it. When you work and have a family it is not doable for me. I also a trailrunner so I run 3 times a week. What I like about this method is that you doing different excercises or movements. A lot off this stuff, you dont see or do in a normal gym. The most of us just do sets and reps without thinking. Just the muscle are important. Not the how and consciously. The standard training had no or less eye for prehab and mobility I must say that I Learned a lot about movement in general. I have to fight for every second or rep. It is hard but also fun. It is frustrated but also joy when you struggled with Some movement and then getting better at it. I have more mobility and flexibility witte the small and large frame mobility exercises. I sure Get stronger also. In the past with my other training I never Get to the fighting point. Now I have to. It never gets easy. Is the Ido portal method general of and functional? Yes and now. You have a lot of different patterns but it doesnt have it all. It is based at movement patterns like locomotion and skills like handstand, lever. Functional for me means that I can move and have the strength and condition in general life. Sprint, lift , hang, run, carrying,... But which sport have it all? Non. Mov nat is close but you also have to practice the things more that you are not good at. It is a long way. Some say that Core Stability is functional. For me it is not. Non of the movement you do in general life. I am not going to do this for years and years. I like it so far but I also miss other movements like playing with my kettlebells. Is this method for me? I dont know. It is very hard and I am compared with others just a starter after 20 years of fitness!

Great review. Much appreciated

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Much love for being brave enough to give an honest review 🙏

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Nice vid m8 interesting insights as always 👍

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother :)

I like your honesty keep the good work

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Glad to subscribe. I like the Ido approach (to the extent that you can figure it out from an online distance!) but the details are hard to get to. I also found that the advanced skills emphasis seemed odd (e.g. handstands, planche and advanced rings). Looking forward to digging into your videos.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Thanks for sharing this! Many years ago, someone I knew, who was a big fan of Ido, went to Israel to attempt training at the facility. Unfortunately, she was banned from training there and we never really got a clear answer why. She eventually wasn't allowed to attend the other events as well. Now your answer helps to clarify.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feed back Trowa :) Sad to hear =\ Did she find a different way of learning movement?

@trowaevans683

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegroundedman2191 She moved onto other movement teachers, including ones that used to train with Ido. You may have heard of one of them, Tom Weksler

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@trowaevans683 That's good to hear :) Haven't heard of him to be honest, but I'm happy she could still learn

Love this! Have been diving so much into Ido's work and I have psyched my thinking that all these sick calisthenic skills are functional :0 You have reminded me once again on the age-old question of functionality (which is what I truly am after) thanks Nahshon ❤️

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear :) Nothing wrong with doing what interests you, just know the prices you pay for it

Thanks a lot, it was very interesting!

@thegroundedman2191

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

Thank you so much for posting this. I am currently looking for ways to bullet proof my joints. Ido's content is the best I've ever seen on this--what he can do with his ankles alone is incredible. I'm curious if you know of any cheaper ways of pursuing this? Have you found good material on this outside of Ido's group? I'm tempted to fork up the money for online training on just this topic alone, but alas, it is a heavy price. I'm also not sure if the gymnastics movements you mentioned are required? I have zero interest in one arm anything, but strengthening the body from "weird angles" looks to be among the most intelligent approaches I've ever come across.

Thank you!

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 subbed brother.

@thegroundedman2191

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much brother :)

1:56 I think it's relevant for anyone interested in the IP Method that it's informed by Ido's attitude to life and background in military special ops; it's very effective for those highly competitive, highly dedicated "give-110%" personalities who always train with relentless intensity, but joe-blow average who's never experienced performance training, or hasn't got the mentality to go with the methodology is just going to be throwing thousands at something that just wasn't meant to work for them.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Dont know if he was in our special ops tbh, but yes, the volume and intensity of his training is insanely high.

Thanks man! תודה אחי בדיוק היום הייתי בשיעור ניסיון

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Np brother :)

@eilonrusso2276

3 жыл бұрын

ואיך היה?

Nice. I would say there are or can be very functional benefits to learning those moves(oahs, oacs) but it depends on what you want to develop into.

@thegroundedman2191

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

u da man! thanks bro

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro :)

You are making a review on a facility that is independently run, yet you are implying that its an Ido Portal facility when in fact its not. Part of the reason why that particular facility is not open to visitors from outside is that people in the fitness industry were trying to visit the facility to gather what information they could in order to teach and replicate, which actually further dilutes the information that Ido is providing in person events and meetings. You also speak about functionality, I don’t recall him talking much about this (maybe i am mistaken) on social media platforms, but what he did speak about was freedom of movement, exploration and self discovery, which are very different things. Overall i think its an inaccurate and slightly unfair review as you are linking the running and teaching of a particular facility to Ido when in-fact this facility has nothing to do with him (this was also why the name changed).

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good point and I do say at the beginning that I my experience is with this studio and not the other methods, but even if that's the case - can't a student of a mentorship trainer reflect anything about the method? I get the fear of knowledge leaking out and being afraid of people coming to steal info, but first there are better ways to deal with this problem, and second - your knowledge will always leak out the second you teach it to someone you can't control - aka most of your students. I know that this is what Ido speaks about, and it's absolutely right, it is about freedom of movement and self exploration etc... just made clear that its goal isn't functionality (because I see it beign implied and because many people ask about it). That's a fair feedback, thank you for that

@michaelcorcoran3942

3 жыл бұрын

Nahh dude it's great to have a review that isn't kissing the ass of the guy. You need to see if you are being biased. As I think you are. It's good to hear from all angles on this.

@JonathanClayton1

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcorcoran3942 agreed 100%, but this is an interview of someone that is not learning under him so how can it be an accurate review? If he was learning under Ido its a different story. There are many people around the world that have been exposed to Ido’s material and are teaching it. Some are close students, some are not, but each presents what they have learnt in a different way, so how do you know if their way is really representing Ido?

Could you mention the cost of the workshops and classes in Israel? Some years ago I was impressed by everything Ido posted, until he finally came to Mexico and I asked his people for the course's price; it was something ridiculous, a five day workshop which cost 7,500 dollars. Just so you know, that's more than the annual wage of most people here.

Can you make a video about interesting bodyweight exercises such as lizzard one arm push up(Bren made a video), one arm ring row(Ido made a video)? Ring row with feet elevated is a gem also One gets a pair of rings and he can progress these to amazing feats of strenght

This is like the third Honest opinion of Ido Portal in the last year.

@thegroundedman2191

2 жыл бұрын

What are the other 2?

I would like to see students with really bad genetics or health problems, if you just pick the ones with great genetics(healthy, symmetrical, no weak connectiv tissue, no scoliosis etc.) it is easy to train them and they will make fast progress and learn things like handstands, backflips etc. I know Ido, since he startet coaching in Berlin, Germany and a good friend told me about a workshop and the content. They talked about supercompensation!^^ Wow, that´s really a secret....not. Ido´s content is good for motivation, but he has nothing else to offer. He just implemented old systems in his own system and his marketing was great.

Nice!!! Thank you Which kind of exercise do you consider to be functional? 🙏

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Things that support your day to day life or exercises that promote longevity in your body

@MrCmon113

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegroundedman2191 Given that 50kg women get through day to day life just fine, I don't think any sort of exercise is needed for that.

This is a Review of Roye’s facility. Not so much Ido or Ido’s “method”

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Partly, yes, but there are things about the method itself too

Why did the studio change name? Is Ido still teaching there?

@movewithtrickbro8545

3 жыл бұрын

I have the same question,these days its more about roye gold i think ido is rarely present in the video

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

They had some sort of a break up lol

Thank-you for sharing... While I admire Ido Portal, and try to emulate his style, I found many of thoughts were narrowminded, generally; specifically, his thoughts on Veganism were untenable.... I possess a peculiar physiology, and fear I would be humiliated trying to participate in any of Portal's movement camps; therefore, I am delighted to have found you, and I am eager to learn from you... Best regards.... Peace in the Middle-East...

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jeffery :)

@joatanpereira4272

2 жыл бұрын

what are his thoughts on veganism?

Looks like an interesting base to build a martial art from...

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

What do u mean?

@heresyseed

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegroundedman2191 ... it seems like having strength in your full range of motion would lend to a good foundation for the development of a self defense method... I think the entire mixed martial arts community could benefit from incorporating this type of conditioning... plus I’m American... we instinctively try to weaponize everything 😉

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@heresyseed Haha don't worry, we do the same here in Israel :) And I agree, parts of the movement world can definitely benefit the MMA world.

6 years is a long time to be locked up but prison seems to foster great fitness results, interesting to see how it compares to Ido Portal. .

Hey great stuff! I actually trained with roye 6 months online and I have seen him film the moves in that location. Does that mean that both Roye took over that gym now? Just asking because both are offering online coaching.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Roye owns the place, yeah

The studio is pretentious and elitist because it has the kind of "maturity" around movement you would see in a ballet school or regimented dance studio. Sure, these people are dedicated, knowledgeable and expressive ... but the "I/we know better" is the most ridiculous mindset to have as it is a limiting mindset. He is absolutely about being a generalist, the calisthenics/gymnastics component, but he never gets specific about it, e.g. he is not training a competitive gymnastics routine or acrobatic performance (although you are likely to learn skills that will help you in this) and is most concerned with movement awareness/foundations. Because of this, if you wish to truly excel in any sport or physical endeavour, you MUST specialise and sacrifice all of the extra movement down to the essentials of that sport. I have never seen Ido talk respectfully toward endeavours that harness that level of sacrificial specificity. You will learn skills with Ido's training and the knowledge behind what makes up those skills.... but it will not help you of you wish to become a champion of some kind. Ido's method is more focused on expression/dance.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I understand and agree with what you're saying, the approach is definitely to become a generalist, but the argument that you do it to avoid sacrifices doesn't stick when you work on one arm handstands, you sacrifice A LOT to get there. That's true, but it's not really focused on dance in my opinion, they barely work on it compared to strength / mobility / locomotion / handstands. They do work a lot on expression, but a lot more inside the martial arts world and the locomotion world, not dance so much.

@frizell10

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegroundedman2191 what kind of sacrifices did you have to make with one arm handstands, chin ups etc. ? thanks

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@frizell10 Working on the OACU has definitely reduced my upper back and shoulders mobility, had to deal with injuries and pain. For the OAHS journey - I'm still working on opening my upper back and shoulders from all of those years of working mostly on strength, so I'm not working on the One Arm yet, still the Two Arms version. But I have a lot of friends working on it and let me tell you - it's all they do, they have 0 time for anything else. Many of them suffer from shoulders / elbow / wrist pain all the time etc... you get my point

@alexvat1995

3 жыл бұрын

@@frizell10 You have to work 4-6 days a week as a minimum to get the OAH, the least you can get away in general is probably around 30 minutes a day; however it will be slow. For most return of investment doing double sessions is a very effective method. But there is no way around it, you have to get to an extremely solid two arm handstand that feels extremely comfortable before you can even begin to practice one arm. Pro handbalancers might train 3-5 hours a day. What I personally like is that once you get to a basic level of conditioning it's not that draining for the nervous system, muscles or your psyche even if you spend 90 minutes on it. OAC doesn't require nearly as much work per week but is very slow for most people unless they're very light and predisposed to strength at the same time. It might take 1-3 years for the majority of young guys to get the skill, and for girls even longer. A hefty sum of people will get issues with elbows and biceps, however I do believe that; that is a preparation issue (if you want to know about prep let me know). Training 1-3 times a week is usually where its at. However keep in mind that the pulling required will drain both the nervous system, the joints, the cross-sectional muscular area, that might otherwise be put it more barbell training, more climbing or more energy for dancing. But as for bang for the buck upper body pulling exercises it does not get much better, and once you get it maintaining it is rather easy compared to getting it. If you have more questions or something send a DM on IG or something @alexvatamidis

@frizell10

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexvat1995 thanks for the detailed response! dm'd you

Did you give it a thought that maybe it is not the method's flaws (Ido is not doing nor teaching any of the things you have mentioned as much, it is just a phase in the practice), but the personality of the owners of this particular facility that influenced your experience with it? It was never "an official Ido Portal facility", even though it bared the name. There isn't any, in fact, Ido is the only person who teaches Ido Portal method;)

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely gave it a thought, and there obviously truth in your words, which is why I said I can only talk from the perspective of someone who trained in that studio. On top of that though, I know plenty of people who went either directly under Ido or under his online training and events and reported feeling the same.

@thebamboobody5123

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegroundedman2191 I am studying with Ido for over 7 years now, both online and in-person, and i understand where this feeling might come from, but people confuse elitism with the desire to put dedicated practitioners upfront. I think this is fair. Also wanted to mention that Ido never claimed to teach "functional movement", he teaches movement. All the strength, mobility hand-balancing skills are just a tiny sliver of it. Because it comes at the beginning and indeed requires a lot of work, few people see what comes next, and it is actually when the real work starts:) With all respect to Roye his work - I never met him in person - I do not think it is fair to say that he represents what Ido is teaching, really.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebamboobody5123 Wanting to produce quality students isn't an excuse for shitty behaviour, you can call it what you want but it still smells like elitism to me. I know that Ido doesn't publicly say with a straight face that he teaches functionality, but it's always being suggested beneath the surface. I know what you refer to as developing basics, it does take a LOT of time and effort, and that's when the "real work" begins.

@thebamboobody5123

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegroundedman2191 I have never got the functionality idea from it in any form, I saw the wide perspective on things without any specificity about it. I didn't have the experience you are talking about either because I am not sure what you mean by shitty behavior, but it is a question of perspective I guess. Anyway, my point was that maybe it is not precisely Ido Portal's methodology that you are describing:) Good luck with everything:)

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebamboobody5123 Thank you for your feedback anyway :) Appreciate your work

Very interesting. I wish you made this video 6 or 7 years ago.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, why 6 or 7 years ago?

@eltonwild5648

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegroundedman2191 cause at that time I was trying to train like Ido. Searching online about his training methods and wasting a lot of time. And everything was very close, nobody was talking about what was going on inside. I couldnt afford to pay for online lessons. Ido was a marketing genius and was able for his students to not leak info about the training for the outsiders. He created the image that he had the holy grail for movement and life

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

@@eltonwild5648 Sounds about right :)

Ido Portal used to be Conor McGregor’s movement coach back in 2015s, you think part of his downfall is because he abandoned these “touch-butt” techniques?

@thegroundedman2191

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao no, and I don't think starting to work on movement training is what won him the fight vs Jose.

@russellmagsanide

2 жыл бұрын

But definitely when he abandoned the movement training, he started to fall.

@thegroundedman2191

2 жыл бұрын

@@russellmagsanide dont think he ever abandoned it

@dude861

2 жыл бұрын

I remember that he started to fall when he started training with Ido. He was unbeatable before.

@cameronmiller6240

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t resist saying this and the channel owner has already given his thoughts (which I agree with) but to say it again...it was stupid when Conor was scary good at ufc and people were implying Ido was his secret weapon (like he wouldn’t have been world class if not for Ido) ...but then when khabib beat conor like a drum did people say ‘well maybe movement training wasn’t that hot after all?” (Although this also would have been a simplification) no they continued to idolise Ido.

It seems like the exercise is great but the attitude may be the issue. I enjoy Strength Side here on KZread who is very chilled. The techniques and movement are superb but I don’t like arrogance. The videos are only a representation, I get that, but watching Some videos he does get presented as a guru or worse, some sort of messiah. However, that’s just from KZread. Still, the exercise looks good and everyone is looking to make a living? Eh?

@thegroundedman2191

2 жыл бұрын

True, but if you have the right expectations you can learn what you want without being annoyed by the environment

I'm going to ask a question that is probably not going to go over very well: how much of the elitist mindset you observed in the class do YOU feel has to do with Israeli culture? I know NOTHING about it, so I would like to learn from you instead. Is Israeli culture "holier than thou" do they think themselves above others? they are "chosen people" so I could see them thinking in that way...

How accessible is it ? => tooo expensive .. so we got the answer.. i love the philosophy but like you said, its expensive and elitist so its not accessible :/ unfortunatly

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

"The main difference between this method and other methods, besides its content, is the fact that it's very famous, yet not many people have learned it." I dont know what kind of teaching you recived in the facility of Tel Aviv, but just with this sentence its proved that you didnt undertand much about Ido Portal perspective and what he is presenting. I encorage you to revisit his interviews and thoughts about the topics you are talking about and if you have the chance, go to any of his big meetings and meet people from other countries that had been practicing (seriously) for the same amount of years than you.

@thegroundedman2191

3 жыл бұрын

So the whole problem with this video is that you think more people learned this method than I think?