You guys should do a special series where you go to a pawn shop, buy the cheapest working rifle and pistol you can find and do a two gun match with it

@killerpanda27

7 жыл бұрын

Garrison McGrath Dude you should do that.

@TheBigOne0305

7 жыл бұрын

Cheapest "working" might be a point of contention. How about setting a fixed spending limit and then both can choose how to use that, prioritizing either the rifle or the pistol or trying to strike a balance.

@marzcorp

7 жыл бұрын

Top Gear with guns, i like it!

@floridabowhunter

7 жыл бұрын

that would be awesome.

@austinismadcrunk

7 жыл бұрын

Rule: Neither can be newer than 1995.

Lovin' the non-clickbait deep dives into this kit that you guys are able to do now. Looking forward to more.

I live in Georgia and own this optic...love it! We rarely have shots over 200 yards in the mountains unless you are hunting on farm land in the southern part of the state. There's a tool for every job! You guys do a great job. I enjoy your channel.

I love the way you two pick apart the Reality of the equipment you talk about and don't just tell us what the manufacturer wants us to hear! Love your channels!!

Have this optic on an AR in 7.62x39 I built. Use it in Texas where a shot past 200 yards is very rare. Works great for my setup.

hearing that Karl has better than 20/20 eyesight made me wonder how much of Karl's red dot preference vs Ian's scope preference is due to their individual eyesight. more data points required :)

@SpectreDM

7 жыл бұрын

I went from 20/10 to something like 20/60 during high school and college. Don't know whatcha got... It makes a huge difference in shooting, even with corrective lenses.

@hirumaryuei

7 жыл бұрын

I could shoot in low 240s even with 20/200 in my dominant eye (iron sights, glasses with bad prescription). It's really about target acquisition though; at the KD range you can just look for white number or black number to figure out which target is yours and NPOA on the black blur @200. in a real combat situation, you can't really do that.

@PrimaryArmsOptics

7 жыл бұрын

spamboli in our testing that has involved USMC and US Army the 2.5x had scored a much higher hit ratio then even the ACSS micro dot. A standard dot really struggled past 300. The ACSS micro dot did fair better with a 3x magnifier but still lost out in Unknown distance shooting, the auto ranging capabilities of the 2.5x were the factor.

@sethlance8009

5 жыл бұрын

@@PrimaryArmsOptics I think the acss is the best optic made for ar15 platforms.

@MrChet407

4 жыл бұрын

Data points lmao, nice try

I know this an older video now but wow is it one of the best gear/equipment reviews/discussions I have watched. Really pleased with the unbiased, pros and cons stated. I am looking at this for a future 45ACP PCC and you guys made me decide it would be a good choice for that. Definitely going to be checking out more of your videos.

Thanks so much for the deep dives guys, this isn't clickbait content and it's not driving high view counts I'm sure, but it's valuable information.

@InrangeTv

7 жыл бұрын

No, it doesn't drive high view counts but this is what being supported by Patreon allows us to do and not worry about that as much. :) Thanks! ~Karl

@iainhutchinson1957

7 жыл бұрын

lol. And with that comment you convinced me to create a Patreon account. Keep the good stuff coming guys.

Awesome review. This optic will work for me and I got it today for $99 with free shipping from Primary Arms. That low price probably means they're going to release a new version soon.

@ThePunishmentGaming

Жыл бұрын

Same, got 2 for the price of 2. Can't beat that.

@dannyrubio541

5 ай бұрын

to bad they didnt> ahah they just discontinued it. i spoke to primary arms at shot show and they had no plans to do so in the future :(

My 2cents for what it's worth. This is not an acog. It's not an aimpoint. Now that being said, it is an effective optic for its intended purpose. It is meant to be used against human sized targets as the horseshoe is sized for 19 inches apart,the distance of an average man's shoulders. Mounted on my colt m4 it makes boring hits on full size silhouettes at 300 yards.

@MrBigJake75

6 жыл бұрын

Rick Mosholder I have this same optic and have easily hit targets out to 550 yards on both 5.56 and 7.62x51 guns

@sealteamrick9530

5 жыл бұрын

wouldn't a 1/2 size ipsc at 200 be representative of a std size ipsc at a longer range? i think this for military purposes makes a lot of sense. not everyone needs gobs of magnification in a regular army

I've been using my PA 2.5x and feel that Karl's "Neither fish nor fowl" assessment sums this optic up quite well. Is it a good little optic? Yup. Do I *like* it? Also yup. But due to the fixed low powered magnification it really kind of doesn't do anything particularly well and at some point it's going to be replaced with a LPVO. But it is a decent product.

I had no idea that Ian was an escapee from occupied Upstate. Godspeed, you magnificent man.

I have the 3x on my AR15. I bought a GDI combat mount for it. I like it a lot better. It does use standard ACOG mounts and screws.

The big advantage this has over a red dot is it will still function with dead batteries or if the electronics fail you will still have a black reticle the same as a standard scope it just won't light up red. I have shot with iron sights at two hundred yards what makes the difference is the background and how well your target blends into it. If you are in the woods and your target is camouflaged that is far different than in an urban setting with a target that is easily defined against the backdrop. For those with astigmatism such as myself a scope with an etched reticle is a no brainer.

I completely agree with the usefulness of etched reticles for people with astigmatism. I have just a slight bit of astigmatism and most red dots turn into short red lines that bloom more. For a long time I just thought the red dots that I used just weren't dots until I was told I have astigmatism. Makes good accuracy hard with a red dot

Hands down Best gun channel on KZread. Forgotten weapons just as cool. Well done 👍

Further proof the Acog is a superior optic (conceptually). I prefer higher magnification simply due to target identitification. In the real world. No one is telling you that there are three targets at 200, 250, and 300 yards to shoot. You need to know exactly what your shooting at before you pull the trigger. Love the videos. Keep up the good work!

@Luthtar

7 жыл бұрын

ZThumper I mean, they do make 3x and 5x versions of this optic. It won't have all the clarity of an ACOG, but it gets you 90% of the way there.

@TALIZ0RAH

7 жыл бұрын

Not to mention for a 4th the cost

@benf8487

7 жыл бұрын

I was not aware they made higher magnifications than the 2.5x featured in the video. Trijicon makes great products, but point was that anything less 4x or greater in a fixed configuration is not very good at either role. Personally With a 3x I have a hard time making hits at longer ranges and with a 5x CQB is clunky and slows me down. But lets be honest, red dots are awesome for speed at close range and variable scopes are good for anything past 200. (Sorry for the long response I was in Hiking the Tetons!)

I think the 1-6x with the ACSS reticle would be the better fit for the WWSD project, using a quick-throw "rat tail" lever on the adjustment ring.

This has been a breath of fresh air considering previous reviews in that 2.5 x has its limits! Great points made and implications that 600 yard distances may be wishful thinking or hail mary at best. I like mine from 0- 150 yards and I think it is truly effective in that role. But my eyes are not what they used to be.Back in my 10 20 vision days things would be better! Great job guys!

You should try the 5x. Also, the instructions are clear that the screws have no locktite. They expect you to add it before mounting. The reason is that they wanted to make it easy for people to swap the mount.

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

People read instructions?

@douglaswilkinson9926

6 жыл бұрын

InRangeTV you might also go the other direction and try the Vortex 1x prism (apparently useful in 3-gun competitions) or the Primary Arms Cyclops 1x Prism due out in a few months. They would be like an etched reticle red dot.

I have this one my 11.5' 300 black out and it is very well built. Mine has been beat on time and time again. Its 2 years old and looks like its 20 years old. Works very well for me. I never shoot over 150 yards with it. Its very quick up close plus you have the magnification for a little more identification on those longer targets out to 200 yards. Ive used it out to 400 yards and it works but very hard to use the bdc because the dots are so small but they do work plus the range estimation feature is awesome and very accurate.

Forgetting junk scopes, a fixed focal range scope will have superior image quality to any variable range scope regardless of price of the variable magnification scope. This is because it is fixed - the image is focused and sharp as the lenses are fixed in the body. It is also very bright. The variable scope has to contend with complex issues of focus and light bending that causes the image to distort. Add to that multiple light absorbing lenses. The bigger the range of the variable magnification the harder it is to get it to have a sharp image. It is particularly bad in rifle scopes because they have such a small objective lens limiting the amount of light and therefore information recieved by the shooter. This is why high quality variable magnification scopes cost so much. Best bang for your buck has to be a fixed scope. A fixed scope can only be beaten by another fixed scope for image clarity but never a variable scope. In photography it is well known a $50 Canon fixed 50mm plastic body lens (junk lens) has a superior image quality to the Canon L 70-200 f2.8 with image stabilization and ultrasonic motor that costs $2.5k! They (70-200) are considered sharp so what is that saying about the junk $50 lens? Your fine review of this scope and some other issues has caused me to make my mind up. I'm thinking the PA 5x prism scope is the one for me. They're sufficiently cheap enough that if I find with time it has limitations I can't deal with then $300 isn't the end of the world.

It is a decent optic. I have astigmatism, and red dots are useless, so it is a good option. I am using the 3x version that was set for 7.62x39/.300blk and I don't plan on shooting past 300m, anyway.

@57HEMIviken

7 жыл бұрын

Would this suffice for hunting under 100 yards?

@mm06360

7 жыл бұрын

I think so.

@sethlance8009

5 жыл бұрын

@@57HEMIviken yes it's a great optic get the 3.5 or 4 power prism scopes or a variable optic u can do a lot more with it

@sethlance8009

5 жыл бұрын

@@nuclearjanitors yes they make true 1x6 power scopes as I said u can do a lot more with them. Also the bdc on the 2.5 does not work the aiming pionts are to close together. So the bcc does not work as stated in the video so it's a 100yrd to 200yd optic. Where as a 1x6 is 0-800yrd optic

@sethlance8009

5 жыл бұрын

@@nuclearjanitors they use variable magnification trigicon acogs 1-6 scopes all the time

I kinda feel like, Ian as an arms historian had a hidden romanticism with German ZF-4s and ZF-41s and that partially lead to the choice in optic. Either that or they wanted a lighter weight ACOG. I know you guys don't like them, but I'm playing with a variable 1-8 with a throw lever and really liking it so far. Usually keep it at 1X for 90% of stuff, but when going prone and reaching out at targets, just swiping the lever over is really nice. Since you're taking more time to range in the target, the minor change in eye relief is no big deal. Anyways food for thought from some random guy on the internet.

@InrangeTv

7 жыл бұрын

We're working with variables next. It should be interesting, so stay tuned. :) ~Karl

@LordDigz12

7 жыл бұрын

Its just the Primary Arms 1-8x with the ACSS. They had some minor blems on sale for 299. (that's what I could afford right now) The adjustment was pretty stiff, so the lever helps with a little torque. I put some offset iron sights underneath, in case of scope breakage or for a quick way to shoot up close when the scope was zoomed out. Works well as a backup and the two sighting systems compliment each others weaknesses.

I have a lot easier time making headshots at 100 meters with this prism scope than with a red dot. I also have a mild astigmatism that makes red dots look like a star instead of a point. It sounds like you two have perfect vision. I submit that this prism scope is for those of us who don’t have perfect vision. Also, if you close the front lens cap and keep both eyes open, it works better for CQB. That might sound crazy until you try it. Also, as Ian pointed out, I’m an Easterner who rarely can see anything farther than 200 meters because of trees. Finally, I would point out that when I was in the US Army the farthest pop-up target on the RETS range was 300 meters. We hit it with iron sights. This thing would be perfect for that 50 to 300 meter M16 qualification. Thanks for the way you two rationally analyzed this.

good overview

I will say for us that struggle to see 100 yards with irons, this is where this scope excels. It’s not even a force multiplier for say myself, as it’s just bringing me to the point I can make accurate hits (at 100 I could nail your ass with buckhorns, I just don’t know where I’d hit you lol). That’s this scopes bread and butter, if you’re getting in engagements 20 yards and in, yeah a red dot would be awesome. If you can keep distance though, this scope will outperform a red dot (not a magnified red dot however. 3x magnifiers would be the biggest detractor to this scope other than weight and size of a magnified red dot setup).

The solution is obvious! The wwsd rifles should be iron sights only! (I kid lol)

I have this primary arms PAC 2.5 prism scope and for the money it's great tough scope. It is made for man size targets not small 8' or 10' plates. At 200yd you can easily Id and hit a human. Yes you can see and hit 10inch plates all day at 200yd. Yes identifying a target at 600yd will be harder, friend or foe. I think the main thing everyone forgets is the ammo, bullet weight and speed must match up and have proper zero to be the most successful with ACSS or any other reticles.

First one of these guys' videos I've watched. Very intelligent back and forth, and great, usable information. Subscribing! Thanks, guys.

This is something I have thought a fair amount about (the 0-600 optic). I have come to the conclusion that there are two good ways to go (for me). A red dot with a magnifier (in which case the ACSS reticle would be great), or a 1-4 or 1-6 scope. There are some additional things about the scope. One has to spend enough to get a decent eye box in a adequately durable and usable scope (I have not found anything much under $500 or so that I find fits the bill). It is also quite beneficial to have a simple illumination, either a center dot or chevron, or, even better, a FFP reticle that collapses down to a largish dot or small circle at 1x, but has a readable BDC or MIL-dot at power. The reason for this simple illumination is that at close range, when time is of the essence, if pull up the rifle and don't get your head quite within the eye box, you will still see the dot and can put out adequately aimed close fire via the Bindon aiming concept (if that works for you).

Love y'alls videos Very modest and humble No puffed up egos Knowledgeable and very informative Thank You both for all that you do !

Living here in North Carolina and spending most of my time training around Raleigh and the Blue Ridge mountains, this scope has met all my needs atop my M&P Sport II. The etched reticle is perfectly sharp and I never need to turn on the illumination even in full sunlight. However, it's taken some time to get used to shooting under 25 yards with both eyes open with target transitions.

I'm currently considering a Primary Arms 5X Prism Scope for my 45-70. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a trusted review of it on youtube but I do trust you guys here. Given that it's a 5x versus your 2.5x, I'm thankful you've given your views on it and experiences and am comfortable with the difference to still compare what you've said with the 5x scope. Thanks!

Couple of things not considered in the discussion: thermal drift and the effect of recoil. Hunting with an AR in .450 Bushmaster here in Wisconsin and UP of Michigan in below zero Fahrenheit completely eliminates ANY red dot from serious consideration. .450's are notorious for eating scopes but can't seem to effect my 2.5 PA prismatic. In Temperatures that can fluctuate from above freezing to below zero and back in a 24 hour period makes keeping a zero on a red dot nearly impossible. I love my red dots, mind you,, and shoot with them all 'till the snow flies and only on my 5.56.

Would stoner really consider the ability to hit mini ipsc target at 200 yards a requirement? Wouldn't a Mini target be equivalent to engaging a man size target at 400 yards?

@sethlance8009

5 жыл бұрын

Acss can do that but I would get the 3.5 power. Or the variable magnification either way it's better than Iron sights. Plus ACss gives u the ability to range man size targets out to 600yds. I think primary arms is making the best ar15 optics at a reasonable price. The prism scopes are military grade and can withstand a beating if u don't mind fixed power scopes

@robertparis5680

4 жыл бұрын

literally about to post about this. i feel like they got too into the game side of things. for a 0-300 i think this would be a little better then a red dot on the back end of things for those with glasses getting hits on normal sized targets.

I was on the fence about this optic. After seeing a good review of what it can and cannot do, I have been able to decide that this is not the optic for me. As my intention was to use it at 400 yards and in on a WASR 2. Thank you for the hard work and repeatedly quality videos over the years.

I got one of there is August and it’s one of my favorite pieces of kit,best $200 I’ve spent on anything gun related 👌🏾👍🏼

Two intellectuals discussing this optic is both enlightening and entertaining. Carry on.

Thank you for the great discussion with the different prospectives.

I love the AGOG looming in the background throughout.

With my m4 I can hit 300m with iron sights and a red dot, so how does something magnified only reach 250? Maybe a bias going on here?

That charging handle is really cool.

ACOG is what 4x and has worked quite well for years. My area of operations would be heavily wooded or urban, so not shooting beyond 200 yards, works well for my needs.

Thanks for the review! It's a shame this scope doesn't really meet your needs in the high desert, but coming from the Ohio River Valley, this sounds exactly like what I need. Thanks for the continuing awesome content.

Im in the deep south, so i this this optic would DEFINITELY excel because the woods here are so thiccc you rarely see past 150/200 yards and the swamps have a tendency to really reduce things even farther in some areas

That was the best review I have ever seen. Thanks guys. 👍👍👍👍👍

Thank you guys so much. The information at the end really help me make up my mind.

Here some test footage of this optic at 400 on a 18x30" torso. 600 yards were easy as well😉Hope this helps. -Dimitri kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6VlzMqYns3cmso.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/gIGe1Kttdd2bmcY.html

I have very bad astigmatism so I was contemplating this in the 3x for my ak. here in Wisconsin where I am anything over 200 yards is either not possible or very few and far between just not a very realistic distance might do some hunting with it but if so not much. Great review can't wait for the next video

@Tuton25

7 жыл бұрын

O4 HEMI Go Wisconsin! I sling pumpkins here in Wisconsin/Minnesota and never shot a deer over 30 yards....

@57HEMIviken

7 жыл бұрын

Tuton25 exactly and everyone is telling me my arsenal SLR 107fr isn't accurate enuf to deer hunt with I just shake my head and laugh... as soon as I sell my kahr pm9 I. Going to order the goatf*ker anihilator package from ak47-74 operators union and prove them all wrong

@Tuton25

7 жыл бұрын

O4 HEMI accuracy is such a relative term, I only pay attention when there is a good measurement of the mechanical accuracy (such as MOA off a bench). A writer once commented on the obsession with accuracy by saying "the majority of deer shot in Maine in the last 100 years have been shot with rifles that couldn't put 2 shots on a pie pan past 100 yards".

Blems on sale for $109 right now. Sounds like it'll be a good enough scope for an old 16" ar15 I have kicking around that doesn't get shot much right now.

@marsicogodofwar9280

4 жыл бұрын

Where were these blems

@raykettel1837

Жыл бұрын

@@marsicogodofwar9280 On sale for $99 with free shipping now in late June 2023--likely a clearance sale.

I live on the nothern side of the Missouri Ozarks; long shots are not too common here. An optic that is best inside 200 yards, while being better than a red dot for longer shots, is a perfect fit. Thanks for the review - I selected a PAC2.5x as the optic for my own general-purpose rifle. The WWSD videos have been very thought-provoking and helped me conceptualize a lot of what I'm going for. So far, I've got a 20" pencil barrel with an FSB, collapsible stock, C7 upper, and a Streamlight TLR-1 HL. Trigger is a Larue MBT; BCG is Del-Ton but may be replaced with a Toolcraft or BCM at some point. I'll be trying a carry handle mount for the optic to permit use of irons, as well as to try the greater field of view from using a chin weld rather than a cheek weld.

I've got 30/20 vision. I can read the bottom line on my doctor's eye chart. Thank you, random chance and genetics! So that reticle on the Holosun might actually be useful to me.

i also grew up in upstate ny and spent many many times in the woods. love the adirondacks. i also moved to a place where freedom exists though, but still on the east coast :).

Can confirm what Ian said about vegetation. Here in Arkansas you won't see more than 100 to 200 yards unless it's a range, a shooting lane, a back road, or a highway.

After listening to your commentary, this scope seems more apt on a pistol caliber carbine... Appreciate your experiences and you sharing them with us :) LOL just after I posted this, Ian says basically the same thing.

As a fighting scope i dony want yo engage at anything over 150-200 yards if i sont have too, i also live in the city so this ia perfect

I didn't read through the other comments so forgive me if I am duplicating anything someone else already said. As you may or may not know, PA also makes this same Scope in a 4X that would be much better for a DMR roll. They also have a similar Prism scopes that are 3X and 5X. They do in fact fit ACOG mounts. And of course since you made this video they are out of stock most places. Glad I got mine before you made them popular. Thanks for the review. Do one on the 3X. It's under $300. And it will probably give you that extra bit of magnification you are needing. I own this same Optic and don't ever see myself shooting the rifle that it's on further than 200 yards so it's perfect for me. HD and plinking under 200 yards. Your mileage may differ. If someone to ask me to pick a fixer power DMR prism scope I would not pick a 2.5X. I think 3X doesn't cut it either. 4-6X is what I consider DMR magnification. But once you get out to 5-6X you lose most of your QCB practicality. I think 3.5-4X is really the best compromise, and there lies the problem, compromise. I would say get a 5X prism scope and put a reflex red dot on top for QCB. Best of both worlds. Or use a 1X-6X rifle scope. I would say a red dot with a magnifier would solve the problem also. I love red dots, have 2 of them I use, but for some reason I HATE magnifiers. I have not used them enough to quite figure out why but for me they are a no-go. Ever ones eyes are different and ya-gotta go with what works for you.

Would that 2.5x scope be better off with a simpler aiming point?

@InrangeTv

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, probably. ~Karl

@MrJasontm2386

6 жыл бұрын

Yea dude 200 shouldnt be a problem with irons...im not understanding

they have a 5x version that would be pretty interesting and has a better version of the reticle

Excellent review! Thanks. 👍

So...put on the 5x version, and at close range close the objective lens cover with the illumination still on and use it just like an Armson OEG. This seems like an idea worth exploring.

East coast dweller here. I do take issue with applying hunting ranges to combat guns. Sure, where you hunt in the deep woods has no long shots, but right next to the woods is a 400 meter field. Right next to that is a much longer highway.

I have this scope and it's awesome

I run a Primary Arms 1-6 for 3-gun. I think that would be the better option over this. You lose field of view but I've never really found that to be an issue in any course of fire.

Your point that in some locales that a 200 yard target is rare is quite accurate. I can say from first hand experience hunting in Michigan would rarely present a target beyond 200 yards. Any ideas on trying to suppress the WWSD rifles? Would Stoner have preferred the 300 Whisper/Blackout style rounds? You guys are saving me a lot of time and money.

@mruler360

7 жыл бұрын

William Prince Stoner's original design was a .308 so there's that. The modularity of the AR platform means you don't need to be married to a single round/caliber, especially with the interchangeability of 95% of the parts. Want to shoot .300blk, 5.56, and .25-45? A single AR with three different uppers and a single BCG can do that.

@atilliar

7 жыл бұрын

William Prince, Stoner wasn't interested in a 5.56mm variant from my understanding and had very little to do with the conversion from my understanding... So what would Stoner do? He would make a .308 rifle with a 20" barrel.... This project would be better called "What Would Sullivan Do?" No one can really answer that question other than Stoner or Sullivan; however, Ian and Karl's quest is valid for them. Each owner must find out what the best rifle is for them and their needs. Mine is a suppressed SBR in with a 10.5" upper in 5.56mm and a 8.5" 300blk upper.

@williamprince1114

7 жыл бұрын

Jonathon Hurley I won't argue with any of the points you raised except to say that Stoner and Sullivan might view the 5.56 mm differently with 50+ years of development, 50+ years of advancements in powder and bullet construction technology, and 50 years of changes in soldiers kit (scopes, armour, laser, range finders, NVG, etc and the extra weight soldiers have to carry). There is so much that impacts the 'perfected' rifle for each person to weigh in their thoughts it ends up being a interesting exercise in personal choice. But approached properly I think we can all learn from each other. I appreciate your comment.

@atilliar

7 жыл бұрын

William Prince, thanks and you may be right, there has certainly been a ton of development in just about every aspect of the rifle, cartridge, and industry as a whole. The modularity of the weapon is far beyond what the designers realized when they made it. It really is a testament to the rifle that it lasted 50+ years and several attempts by the military to replace it with no success as it really is the best tool for the job.

@littlepolarbears

7 жыл бұрын

.223 is much better than .308 and .300 BO for the average soldier. 300 is only going to be a benefit when suppressed which is not needed for infantry when it just adds extra length. and .308 is too concussive and not worth the extra ballistics. both rounds are bigger and heavier to carry as well.

the through scope vid is very helpful!

Pricey, but I've got what you need for a 'standard rifle' - 4x fixed through a Leupold HAMR, mini red dot through the Leupold Deltapoint on top. Takes some getting used to, but you just rotate slightly to the side and use non dominant eye for the Deltapoint.

Basically the same optic is a Steiner M536, x5 fixed magnification. I've shot all the way to 700m with it. Not expensive, for what it offers, falls in the category of good-enough

Ian, you should take that RMR from your pistol and use it as a secondary canted or stacked red dot on your WWSD rifle, and then use a higher magnification or even variable as a primary optic.

They basically explained why I got this( it’s coming in the mail) and why I run a 3x on my AR10. I live in a city and would never have a line of sight over 300 yards certainly. I’ve got lpvos on other guns. I’m gonna use this on a new build for another urban rifle. The magnification on the 3x I must admit is horrid for any precise shooting, but for a zombie, it’s perfect and you will make your hits. For weakening and aging eyes, I think it’s good and you don’t need the battery.

Thanks for the review gentlemen !

You guys convinced me, I just ordered one. Thanks...

Another AMAZING Video, Thank You Men!!! BTW, Sound from Ian was much..... Much better! Thanks

Im thinking about this for my ar pistol.. i only shoot it between 25-100 yards.. this may be a good option im in pnw lots of trees..

Love the new mic stand, lads.

Sweet! I came to some similar conclusions. I hade the Vortex 3x prism scope for a few weeks and got rid of it.

I'm just looking for a reputable scope that's rugged for airsoft. You have me sold.

I might look into this optic. I started my life as a shooter with handguns. I have been used to iron sights. When I built my AR-15 I had irons to start. I could nail a target pretty easy out to 300 yards. My roommate who had shot at “longer” ranges (150-400 yards) for most of his life said “try to get a decent scope for your AR-15 to go with your iron sights. I cannot shoot with a scooter, as of now, for my life. My best friend let me shoot on his 3x prism scope (the brand/model is eluding me) and it seemed like a nice middle ground for me. Thanks for this review though. Maybe for your purposes it doesn’t work quite as well. Maybe for me, who wants a 100-200yard optic, this might work.

Thank you for this review. I'm using this optic on my GP AR right now, but live in the South East, so shots over 200 are rare. I mostly wanted to try it because my eyes are starting to slip, but with good glasses I think I might go back to a red dot.

nice job turning the Mountain Dew logo away from the camera guys

Kentucky. I've shot dozens of deer in my 41 years. never shot one I can remember over 100 yds.

Thanks, that gives me a good sence of what this scope would be good for. Sounds like it would be good for my situation in Fiji on a bush clad hillside where you would be unlikly to use it beyond 100 yards and I would have to send it overseas to get any repairs done to it. thanks Simon

Hey guys I also didn't like the fixed magnifying but I added 3x magnifier in front of the 2.5x Scope yes in front of the scope and it worked fine. Try it out and let me know

@cheeseburgereddie8198

5 жыл бұрын

Really I was wondering that same thing

please give that scope away to a patreon supporter.... I'm feeling lucky, and that scope would work great for me here in the Ozark mountains.

@InrangeTv

7 жыл бұрын

+John Floyd We will be. ~Karl

Nice breakdown! I might consider one of these for myself. Minor quibble: Cut a bit too early at 19:47, though it probably was close to the intended cut anyway.

I think either this or the 4x were the first optics with the acss, I believe that the 2.5 has a pretty different reticle then the 4x and then the later 3 and 5 power, so the tiny specks of holdover is probably a byproduct of it being a early product, maybe primary arms can chime in on this since they are hanging around down here. Fwiw I own this optic and it is my primary rifle optic and I do like It. As mentioned by Karl I have a very slight astigmatism that only really appears in low light conditions and bought this optic as a cheap way to explore prism acog optics, and do plan to either move to variable or back to red dots. Also it is acog Mount compatible

The Marine Corps has been putting ACOG's on it's rifles for better than a decade now, and we just went straight to 4X. Haven't looked back.

@lowellhouser7731

7 жыл бұрын

Alternatively for my own frankengun, Primary Arms sells the ACSS Holosun and just introduced a 6X flip-up. Gonna try that.

@lowellhouser7731

7 жыл бұрын

So, what's next, the Primary Arms 1-6x or 1-8x?

Come to the variable powered side...

Is Karl wearing a short sleeved combat shirt or has he done the neatest sleeve roll ever accomplished by man?

@InrangeTv

7 жыл бұрын

Short sleeved. ~Karl

@Devin_Stromgren

7 жыл бұрын

I suppose in the desert, being able to roll your sleeves down to deny access to mosquitoes isn't really an issue.

@Stephanthesearcher

4 жыл бұрын

@@Devin_Stromgren you roll it down to protect your skin from the sun

I'm honestly shocked you guys didn't break it during Hard as Hell. I don't mean that as a statement of abuse, but rather surprise that a scope as cheap as that could hold up.

Thanks folks as a shooter in NC and soon moving to south west Virginia that sounds like the scope for any use I'd have. Suspect you have that StG now but your under NDA so looking forwards to when that's lifted. I base that on HMG's response to a series of y/n questions I put on there Facebook page yesterday.

@InrangeTv

7 жыл бұрын

No, we do not have one yet. ~Karl

I have one of these and it is a nice close range scope

Love my vortex strike eagle 1-6. I don't really get out beyond about 300, so the max magnification of 6x is fine and with my eyesight not being perfect the lower powers also help at closer range.

The best conversation from guys that would dispatch you from +400 yards

With my AR 10 and the 3x, I can’t even hit an iron plate at 125 without great effort. I just use it for a battle riffle and train an torso paper targets inside 100.

Thanks for the really great review guys, I think this is the optic I will settle on since I am in the piney woods area of texas where open range rarely exceeds 300 yards. I kinda wish they could get rid of the superfluous compensator crap and have a simple etched reticle

Are duel optics an option? Ian seemed to like the elcan/rds set up on the L85a2 he reviewed.

i've got mine on an ar-pistol in 300blk (12.5"bbl)...seems perfect for hunting whitetail in Maine, excited to test it in the field this November :)

The Holosun ACSS Red Dot with a 6x Magnifier is just great, it's about as perfect as it can get for me. I haven't tried a 3x magnifier on it but with 6x that little red dot turns into a great scope and is very clear. It would be nice if the eye relief was a little better as some complain about it on the 6x but I don't tend to notice it on mine since it lines up well for me. I agree that at 1x the aiming dots are about pointless on the Holosun ACSS but could still be used for Kentucky windage in a pinch. If you try a 6x magnifier on one of those little red dots I think you will be surprised with how well it looks and how versatile it makes the optic. And to answer one question about why use a red dot & magnifier instead of just using a fixed power optic? To me it is because a lot of times in a CQB situation I would much rather have a red dot then a fixed power optic. I have the 6x magnifier in a swing mount that is also QD. I tend to leave it off most of the time until I go shooting at further targets since it adds more weight to the rifle. Since it only takes about 2 seconds to attach it using the QD mount it isn't a big deal to leave it on your rifle if you are in a more open area where you are more likely to shoot further away, and if things heat up quickly up close then just swing the magnifier out of the way real quick and you are back in business with the 1x Holosun. Or if you plan on engaging close targets only then just detach the magnifier all together. I know this setup isn't perfect for everyone but I plan on outfitting a lot more rifles with this setup after trying it on my main "battle rifle". To me about the only powers on a scope that are worthwhile are the lowest and then the highest magnification so on a 3-9 that would be 3x and 9x. I don't think a lot of us tend to use the middle magnifications, so I didn't see the use in getting a 3x magnifier when I could get a 6x. It sure does make a big difference when shooting at long range, or even at targets at 100 yards for that matter. Since the main aiming point is a chevron instead of a dot I find I am a lot more accurate with it when using it for group sizes as well. It goes well with my Faxon Gunner barrel which shoots some surprisingly tight groups for such a light weight. And there is still room for a nice BUIS under the magnifier like the KAC 200-600m Micro.