I have a ‘23 1250GSA with 13,000 miles. This new bike makes me want to buy a second identical 2023 GSA to have a fresh one in 5 years when I ride mine into the dirt. 2023 will be a notable year in the GS/GSA history going forward.

@ericjames7680

8 ай бұрын

I had to laugh at your comment because I too thought the same thing! Not only that I traded my new Harley for a GSA Trophy and now have that and a GSA Triple Black. I think the 1250 will be the last of the good ones and a real classic to hold on to.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I thought the same too

I traded my new Harley for a GSA Trophy and now have that and a GSA Triple Black. I think the 1250 will be the last of the good ones and a real classic to hold on to.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I love my 1250 so much I will be very sad to see it go its a stonking Motorcycle,

Small, ugly, cheap-looking. In fairness has some good features but taken as a whole ..... I wont be parting with 1250 anytime soon either. BMW will sell loads of these new bikes but they have turned a load of people off too I think

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

wow you have some love for that comment! this one tells the truth ladies and gentlemen.

After waiting well over a year for the 1300 to come out, I was somewhat disappointed. After sitting on one in the showroom I didn't even want a test ride. I've now bought a 1250GSA and picking it up on Saturday, just can't wait. I'm keeping my R1200c of course, will never part with that 😊

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that, I felt the same way when I first saw it, There no doubt that the 1250 is a suburb bike and your choice is a good one.

@MrAris172

7 ай бұрын

Your comparison has no value, you’re comparing to different bikes… What you said will be valid if you compered the 1250GSA with the 1300GSA that will come out next year. Looks like you went to tested a different bike than what you wanted to buy…. I own a GSA, I want to upgrade it to a newer GSA, why to compare it with a GS…. It’s like comparing a BMW X5 with a X3.

I test rode one after waiting so long for it. Then took out the trophy 1250 GSA it seams so refined compared to the new one. Bought the trophy there and then

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

The 1250 is a brilliant bike, my favourite of all those I have ridden. fingers crossed that this 1300 will make the grade and grow on me.

I hate the whistling screeching sound. Like the Honda Africa Twin. But this engine doesn't log as early as 1200 and 1250? Not being able to drive at 1500-2000rpm is pathetic to me.Thank you for daring to tell the truth. Few do today and everyone sells themselves for money.

Funny video, you love your bike for sure;)

Really hope the GSA version will look a lot better and save this model!

Great review, having had 3 first edition( first release) new models ,1200GSA 2008, GTL 1600 2010 and 1200,2013 water cooled and had big issues with each, I will NEVER buy a new model for at least 12 months!! I got fed up with being used as a guinea pig . It WILL be a great bike , but not yet!!!

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, well I guess you learnt a lesson, I did that on the Triumph Explorer in 2012, it spent more time in the dealer and at the factory than in the garage or on the road.

@stellaracrobat

6 ай бұрын

Fine in theory and thought the same and bought a 2023 KTM1290SDGT which have been out as a model for a few years. It was a piece of unreliable crap and I sold it after 6 months. What is important is a responsible manufacturer with good service from dealers. I have your same reluctance so we will see.

Have to agree re the looks and the lower quality of the 1300 v the 1250. I went to look at the 1300 yesterday and was really disappointed. It just looks sad and bland. I’m sure it’s more than a capable bike and we will see a lot on the roads come spring time, but I do wonder how many will regret selling their 1250s. For now I won’t be selling my 1250 factory low as to me it does exactly what I want and looks/feels wonderful compared to this new 1300.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

it rides well but I agree with everything you have said.

Really interesting, I am in the market for a new bike for me and the wife to go touring because we love it so much. Never rode a bmw but I think the bmw is a bike me and the wife can do some long tours on. I have been waiting for the 1300 to come out but now after some reviews I have seen it sounds a bit disappointing. So looking forward to seeing what you thing cheers 👍👍

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

You have to try a GS they are brilliant, but you need to ride one for at least half a day with pillion too. I love touring with my wife, come to think about it I would love to tour with anyones wife.

@TwoGoTouring

7 ай бұрын

I have a GSA with 26K on it in 2 years. 23k with my wife on the back. I test rode the 1300 yesterday. Thought it was great from a performance and handling viewpoint. I have an s1000xr as well and this bike falls between the 1250 and it. Everyone says the engine is smooth, my impression was that my 1250 was an easier engine to manage, I found the 1300 a bit twitchy. I’m 6’3 and the bike felt fine to sit and ride but if you have a pillion you would need to try it out. The GSA has a wider pillion seat and more room behind the rider, plus the suspension is stiffer on the GS1300, it’s like riding the GSA in dynamic …… my wife loves the GSA because of the comfort on any road, and it’s a case of happy pillion happy rider.

@andrewmason2879

7 ай бұрын

@@TwoGoTouring interesting 🤔 thanks. I am definitely going to take the 1250 GSA out then the new one to compare the two 👍 I have took the new adventure triumph out and found that snatchy not smooth at all the wife would be constantly head butting me. No good for two up long tours 👍

@andrewmason2879

7 ай бұрын

@@SmileyoureonTV 😂cheers mate will do 👍

@stellaracrobat

6 ай бұрын

Dont be discouraged, most of the reviews Ive seen are overwhelminly positive and not negatively biassed by its not a real gs thinking. Neither is the current 1250 if you compare it to the 3 generations of GS that preceded it. I just sold my 2022 1250GSA and did 30k in 18 months 6k with a pillion and awaiting my r1300gs. The 1250GSA was Best bike ive owned for cross use (Ive got a sports tourer and cruiser as well) but too bulky and hard to manouver in parking etc particulary with a pillion. You wont regret getting one if you set it up with the right options eg comfort seat and height adjustment if you need it. Oh and make sure your vario panniers are dent free as it makes a substantial difference to the bike (LOL)

I have a 1 year old gsa rallye my first gs i love it i test rode one same as that i found engine had a wiered tap also it felt cramped bars and dash felt tok close to me. Qs is nicer in low gears although a smooth shift from 1st to second and third by adjusting thrittle on the 1250 also i asked myself a few times "do i really need such a huge bike as my gsa" after testing the gs 1300 my answer is yes i found the 1300 really skinny around the tank area mine is way more beefy also the twats at rotherham vertu tried to say my bike has dropped nearly 6k in 1 year i will try the gsa when it arrives but my sweetheart stays for a min 3 years shes got a 3 year service inclusive on her which i got at my 6k service so i will be using that completely your 125 is a peach you could look at a late 1250 as there will be plenty of trade ins as the gullable sheep flock in for the latest and greatest with its extra 9bhp wow what a dissapointment

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

Baa, well I'm in the market as I was one of the first 1250 sheep and now the Green one is on order for March 1st, don't tell the wife.. she will kill me!

@austinmatthews347

8 ай бұрын

@@SmileyoureonTV hey dude i respect your decision main thing for me is you are a biker biking to me is so special i will keep riding as long as i am able incidently imo the green one looks the best by miles

You are one of the few that seem to agree with my opinion of the 1300 i testrode same bike you did i am sure they will be ok long term but i own a 72 plate gsa and to me its too small also the engine i found made funny noises the qs is a bit better but i can use mine fine. The extra price is a disgrace also

@SmileyoureonTV

6 ай бұрын

I have and had that opinion, I’ve decided that simply its a different Bike its not the 1200 or the 1250, it might have the same father but a different mother. It has grown on me and I will change but, I would say that is so different from the GSA that it’s not comparable. I keep getting told that the 1300 GSA will be so different it might upset the traditional but with anything change brings a different audience. I don’t speak for myself but motorcycling and manufacturing needs to appeal to a younger demographic to stay in business. What they need to make is a woke bike that only goes out in the warm and dry and covered in protection.

Last month I put my ktm 1090 in for a 2018 bmw gs1200 adventure rallye te with only 8600 miles on it and immaculate condition, it has every conceivable option including full metal luggage, 4 Denali lights with air horn and extra tourertech crash bars with bags!! I’d never exchange it for that new bmw 1300, is rather have that new Suzuki gx than that!!!!

I have the 1250 exclusive too. Keep yours its so much nicer looking and build quality is better. I'm convinced the 1300 is made in China.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I would hate that, just like Triumph did,

And it gets even better if you own a 2016 R1200 GSA. There is a reason why I never sold my 1986 R80 G/S PD and my 1990 R100 GS. Try fixing these high-tech wonders in the middle of nowhere.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I've never been to a Starbucks or costa coffee that far out of a town

Sounds a bit like a Triumph Triple?

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

workshop visit surely on the cards then.

It depends. If you’re over 6 foot like me the older GS’s are great. I haven’t ridden one but I have sat on one in the dealers and it felt like a toy. Well compared with my GS Rallye anyway. I won’t be buying one especially at the price. I’d much rather have the Ducati V4 Multistrada if I were ever to change my GS which I’m not. I think BMW will regret this change in direction over time.

@austinmatthews347

8 ай бұрын

I agree

@stocks7765

8 ай бұрын

probably they already do

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

Oh No not a Ducati don't they breakdown and cost lost to put right?

@johnsamson-snell9558

8 ай бұрын

@@SmileyoureonTV Actually I agree with you. If my GS was stolen then the replacement would either be another GS 1200 Rallye or a Ducati Multistrada V4. But that’s not going to happen. The GS is a keeper!

Didn't like the 1250 gearbox, so will test the 1300.

@Nyez

8 ай бұрын

1300 is a bit better but will never be as smooth as an XR for example

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

still clunky 1st to 2nd

There are aspects of its appearance I'm not so keen on....Although its how it rides is my main factor on deciding if I ever want one. It does ride and generally perform better. It's just the huge price. In tough economic times. I feel BMW have over priced it. My thoughts.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I agree its very expensive, but I consider that there is always a re market value so in my mind its what I'm going to loose over say 4 years and that's the true cost to own it.

Try riding it for a week until your body get use to it and decide if you still like your old bike. I have 2015 bmw F series bike and whatever brand new bike I test ride, I still like my old bike compare to the new one. But a friend of mine lend me his 2005 GS for a month, and after that I don't like my bike anymore even the GS is way older than my bike.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

So what you saying is they all grow on you or you prefer the GS over the F now? 2005 would be the 1200 I found them to be very agricultural

@yogid21

7 ай бұрын

@@SmileyoureonTVwhat am saying is, you can't tell if you like the bike for just riding it in one day.

Patience is a virtue. Keep the 1250

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

MMM, maybe till March 1st

I think the attraction is that it is smaller and lighter and less intimidating for shorter people. The 1250 is just too big for anyone under 6ft. Yes you can get lowering gear etc., but it's all extra expense.

@mollyfilms

8 ай бұрын

I’m vertically challenged 5’5’’ and have a GS1250 low frame version and have no issues at all. Ive had GS’s for over 25 years and never felt them to be to big to handle. so saying that anyone under 6’ can’t handle one is just ridiculous.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I'm 5-9 and shrinking, and I love my 1250 standard. and when I look in the mirror I now see my dad. They need to get lighter!

What a disapoitment😢 quality went really down

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I gave it some time, there good and bad in everything.

What about that husky? :)

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

Ah well spotted, this was a purchase with intention after my Australian crossing which is on the channel, that was fun. That Husky is now one year old with 301 miles on the clock. (I'm a dick head)

They bought back the old K bike whine😂

There’s an awful lot of plastic and it degrades quickly with ultraviolet light

@clayfarnet970

8 ай бұрын

You’ll appreciate all that plastic when the temperature drops at 80mph. Hell I don’t like hot buffeting. I get it, but it’s a necessary evil. 👍👍

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

Plastic don't rot, unless its a Triumph after 2015

topcase without the possibilities of 2 full helmets are useless...

@michielvandepol6765

8 ай бұрын

Not everybody needs or wants a topbox with the size of a 747.

@angelodaniele641

8 ай бұрын

@@michielvandepol6765 it's a gs... Not an R1... If I don't have the chance of doing on a gs should I take an RT?? Honestly I have a multi v4s I bought a top case and say like you I will not use every day.... The real life is that I never take it off from the bike. To useful

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

I Know right, I'm sticking with my Trekkers, fingers grossed that Givi do a rack for them soon.

@adamglassford5753

7 ай бұрын

a case that big would just look ridiculous on a GS

@angelodaniele641

7 ай бұрын

@@adamglassford5753 ??? Are u serious? What do you use a gs for? Going on track or travelling commuting? I personally use a top case like Ducati sell that can contain 2 full helmet and my V4 looks everything except ridiculous.

Sounds like you hate it b cause of a short ride home in the rain at night. Oh no my engine makes noise, oh no the button are back-lit....If you can't figure out how to manage six or seven buttons maybe you should't be riding or reviewing anything.

@mollyfilms

8 ай бұрын

I think what he’s saying as a 1250 owner is that the new bike doesn’t have the quality feel of the older bike. Also it doesn’t have the presence of the older 1250. The 1300 looks like a standard Jap bike which the BMW have never looked like.

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

you sir are probably right! like a fine wine I gave it some time, but it really was shite on the first night and if we don't have a moan then things will never get better. more than anything I appreciate that you took the time to give me a roasting.

You've copied Baron's intro music.

Overpriced expensive clunker BM have gone backwards, I'm a BM mech 30 yrs tested the 1300 in Berlin, what a disappointment, cmon BM get your act together as many many are now awakening to this junk , soz folks u try one

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

Hope they never find out who you are Paul Higgins, you have my respect, unless you are servicing my GS

@paulhiggins9492

8 ай бұрын

@@SmileyoureonTV they will never know, thanks for your comment, have a go on a 1300 you may love it, for me it’s a technical marvel but it has no presence or soul.

Meh . It’s lighter , faster and NEWER . Lacks that quirky GS character . Meh .

@SmileyoureonTV

8 ай бұрын

you wait till the GSA comes out that's going to get some hate.

@kseth6992

8 ай бұрын

@@SmileyoureonTV ha ha , yeah . The GSA never looked good in its previous form either … to me

The R1300GS sounds terrible !!