The horned skull is used by the greatest of Space Marine psychers as an hommage to the most legendary sorcerer in human history. Some called him...Tim?

@jasonfeagans3456

Жыл бұрын

Well done, sir.

@tonyennis1787

Жыл бұрын

Why does this only have 5 upvotes?

@KeithCrowe

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyennis1787 Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.

The terminator captain is a Rogue Trader model (1st edition), not 2nd edition. The librarian force sword is absolutely standard. Every librarian model with force sword has it. Turmiel from dark vengeance has the same one, as does the last plastic librarian, and even Jensus Natorian, the Blood Raven Deathwatch librarian. The horned skull is the symbol of the Librarius, and represents the mutation of the human genome that led to psychic powers. Also, the old beakie marine is on the Rogue Trader cover. You absolutely have to paint him as a Crimson Fist. The consensus is that his load-out is power fist and plasma pistol.

@hypernautic

2 жыл бұрын

Was going to say the exact same thing about the Terminator Captain, yep 1st ed from 1989. I've recently bought two squads from this era worth of them and am going to paint them up as they where back then just for nostalgia and to play some Space Hulk. Blood Angels and Deathwings.

@ratspike8017

2 жыл бұрын

Also, the `gun' on the power fist is actually a grenade launcher. There were rules in 1st ed Space Hulk for this.

The ram's head indicates he is an Epistolary Librarian, the 3rd rank and highest behind Chief Librarian. Below that is Codicer (2nd Rank) and Lexicanum (1st Rank)

@FolowNet

Жыл бұрын

My man

When you get your hands on the Witch Hunters codex you'll find that that is actually a Power Stake not a walking stick: A long iron stake that immolates as it pierces the body of a psyker. Counts as a power weapon but wounds psykers on a 2+. Not too shabby

@JMcMillen

2 жыл бұрын

Against some armies that Power Stake was a bit over powered.

3:22 - from what I remember of this model's particulars, the terminator captain here was armed with an auxiliary grenade launcher built into his power fist.

@Slev00

2 жыл бұрын

This is 100% correct, even rules for it ion 1st ed Space Hulk!

The termy captain has a grenade launcher on his powerfist. That used to be a thing.

@elrondorio

2 жыл бұрын

And that terminator sculpt was released before 2and edition 40K was released so it was Rogue Trader edition.

@asmodai29

2 жыл бұрын

And it is once again a thing in the latest codex. Also they "re-did" the Captain in both his Power Armoured version (one of the earliest "Limited Edition if you spend X amount") as well as his Terminator Armoured version (hence he is in the latest codex) as part of their nostalgia drive/old school resculpts. You can probably find him on google but they both have the skull covered scabbards on their power swords much like the originals. ;) EDIT: just checked and the Terminator Captain was the Limited Edition store opening model and the Power Armoured Version was a Web Exclusive for their new store launch in 2014

@asmodai29

2 жыл бұрын

@@elrondorio The Space Hulk Terminator box set with the original Captain "Cloud Runner" Ezekiel

@frizzank

2 жыл бұрын

That is a legal build in 9th edition.

@thejonathan130

2 жыл бұрын

@@frizzank Anything on any edition model should be legal.

The Terminator Captain's leaning could be compensated for by cutting him off his slot, and pinning him onto a base that slops upward slightly. Like he's trudging uphill to the edge of a cliff. That way, his pose is leveled out, but not in a way to exposes the unnatural upturn of his feet. It would seem like a natural pose.

@EonsOfBattle

2 жыл бұрын

that's a good idea

@waynepedley5395

2 жыл бұрын

I also wonder if you could remove the front half of the feet, and sculpt a replacement at a different angle using green stuff.

@PhD777

Жыл бұрын

When I got mine, I bent the feet slightly - he was walking through tall grass so that helped.

Those old Genestealers had a long service record in the hobby! I remember buying them in the early 2000's when Tyranids got their 3rd Edition Codex and they were already old by then...

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t

2 жыл бұрын

They're certainly at least very similar to the Genestealer models that came in both Space Crusade and 1st ed Space hulk, which puts them at over 30 years old.

@baalrog887

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure I had mine in 4th/5th edition

his terminator prediction was right on the spot though

I’m so glad you were right about Primaris terminators

Old minis bring more joy to me to paint than modern day minis

@ur_dad_is_hot

2 жыл бұрын

So true

@thejonathan130

2 жыл бұрын

They're less stressful to paint for some reason.

@ur_dad_is_hot

2 жыл бұрын

@@thejonathan130 less detail probably

@radeksmid6593

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the same. Primaris stuff is simply boring to paint, for me at least.

@tonyennis1787

Жыл бұрын

Jay's enthusiasm helps. And old models, which are sculpted by hand, are a series of compromises. That creates a certain character that today's perfect and amazing minis do not have.

The pattern on librarian' s sword is still present on modern models, it is just librarian only thing.

My friend as that skull scabbard terminator too and I don't know what it is, but I love him. GW did an anniversary update of that model that I covet. 5th edition era will always be my sweet spot where everything had a lot of charm and simple sculpting but pretty good details. Just before finecast.

That weird "Ram horns" is in a Chaos lords package. Makes them look like a "Flintstone Bowling Club Member" WOOOGA! WOOOGA!

I'd be tempted to put the MJ Terminator on a raised slope, like a cliff, would both address the lean and the height of the model and make it look as though they're looming over the battlefield from their vantage point.

That Captain in Terminator armor is FIRST edition. The weapon on hispower fist is a Jokæro mini grenade launcher, whike he has 4 Jokæro digital weaons on his fingers (lasers and needlers).

Regarding the rams horns on the skull: maybe GW is tipping their hats to Monty Python. There was a magic user in 'The Holy Grail' that had ram horns on his head! ;)

The terminator captain was part of the 1st metal terminator box set which came out around the time of space hulk 1st edition and the two expansions. One of the expansions had rules for the boxed set, new weapons s and characters including the captain. The weapon on the fist was a grenade launcher which he could fire down the corridors..... great fun!

I bet that space marine has a great personality

I love seeing the old minis, especially minis from the 90's. Thanks for this it was a real hit of nostalgia/blast from the past.

@ 15.56 - please paint this dude! you can do a great job, I have faith in you

I've really enjoyed your retro mini videos. Seeing what modern painting and hobby techniques can do with them is very impressive and inspires me to collect more OOP Tau and Necrons.

the only minis i have left are from 89 - 90s they are still class :P never painted since then but love to watch these mini you tube channels to check out peoples work :)

I love the old models! I'm getting all my old squats and chaos squats out now. Great video as always 😊

The terminator captain is a classic sculpt. Needs to be painted up as a blood angel. :). Look for the old white dwarf painting guide….

The Librarian model is wearing a necklace with a talisman. That's why it's off center. It's the motion of the models swing. The rams horns represent mutation. All librarians are supposed to be painted completely blue except for their chapter badge shoulder pad. The lighting up the blade is the 'force' conduit.

I love the old models. I recently added a few old Dark Eldar models to my collection. The RT marine’s face looks like the original version of Palpatine in TESB. Great video, as always!

This was really fun to watch! Great to see people appreciating this old sculpts!

One of the things I love about the miniatures hobby is the diversity and history as it progresses. From the models range to the lore, love it all. Excited to see an upgrade for the terminators line.

And another thing I enjoy as you describe the models, is how you interpret what this model is saying. I do the same before posing and painting. Each figure has something that it is trying to say, and is fun putting your little sprinkle of back story to each piece.

Terminator caption has a grenade launcher and was first out in 1st Ed. Box had the cap, sarg, squad with flamer and assault cannon, and a psycker. The one marine you showed was also 1st out in 1 Ed in a box of 15 marines no special or heavy weapons. I had both.

Watching this after the announcement of 10th you predicted the terminators being scaled up and not changed loads

Your content is so wholesome, keep it comin!

Love my coincidences. I've just been painting up an old terminator Rune Priest I found in a box. It was missing its hammer but I did have a random power claw I crafted on. The whole fuss with that also inspired me to Primaris him up by extending the torso and giving him a more dynamic posture. Metal minis are hell to kitbash though, and I had to cut so many pieces off to repose them :)

In my 2nd Ed IG army back in the day I used different style guardsmen for every squad painting in matching colors. My concept what they were just throwing everyone together

The terminator captains weapon on it's power fist is a grenade launcher. I used to have this model, brings back memories

Damn you !! Now I'm reminded of all the old metal in my (very heavy) box of shame. Models going back to around 1988 (I stared collecting in 1996, but sought out old models that were still around then)... yes, I have that 1st edition terminator captain, as well as old 1st edition chaos terminators.... and back in the day, ALL terminators leaned forward with their heads stuck way out. The glory days of Inquisition models were around those "Daemonhunter" and "Witchhunter" codex books... great Inquisitors, great henchmen (you could even run Adeptus Arbites in the Witchhunters codex, as counts-as Inquisitional storm-troopers... I painted up two squads of old early-2000s metal Necromunda enforcers as classic Arbites)

I’m currently putting the final touches on my 3rd tallarn squad (with 6ish more to go), and they absolutely make me look like a better painter than I am with how much the wash gets in the crevices. I also have the models for at least one squad of each guard regiment from the old metal line save the catachans.

I can't wait to paint my Space Crusade Chaos Dred. It came out 8 years before I was even born but it's ED-209 vibe is so nice

3:53 I just remembered that the Captain in Terminator Armor that GW did for an anniversary, I think it might be a revamp of that model! That's actually amazing to think about

When released the gun built into the terminator captain's power fist was a grenade launcher. Last year I undertook a project where I put together 40k armies for the current codexes using only Rogue Trader vintage models. I managed Dark Angels, Imperial Guard, Orks, Eldar, Chaos, Tyranids and a Genestealer cult. Also can you describe the Necron Lord you are looking for? I have several of the original version with a tall head, cape blowing to the side and holding a staff of light. All metal, no plastic parts. This predates the green rods. One is just undercoated and will probably never be painted by me. The staff of light arm is not glued on but I do have it.

The space marine captain in Terminator power armor has a grenade launcher attached to his power fist. The little thingies on each finger are Jokareo digital lasers, if you were wondering and yes, there were rules for that at one time. Also, I think you just coined a new term for a bad miniature: a "Ral Partha reject!" Good call, Jay!

Librarian Epistolary! Back when your Librarians had levels. Also, them warp beasts tho. They're so ugly but charming.

@stephentate2722

2 жыл бұрын

This is correct. Epistolary, Codicer etc.

I found a box that had a bunch of stuff that looked vaguely like warhammer 40k, but they were TINY. Like super super tiny. After digging apparently they are from an old line of stuff called warhammer epic scale or something like that. So i got a whole tin full of vehicles, and soldier blocks sitting in my room now lol. I think they are near 30-40 years old because i remember seeing them as a kid before too and that was over 20 years ago, and they were already pretty old looking back then too lol

I have a full army of OOP Dark Eldar models and the one you’ve shown and they’re the absolute coolest looking army when set up on the table

I love seeing these old minis still in use - GW's had an intriguing history, I feel like whether they were bought new way back then or sourced from ebay now, having a few retro minis in an army shows appreciation of the weird journey 40k's been on. When I decided to get back into the hobby at the beginning of the year the first thing I did was haul my old 40k boxes out from under the stairs to see what'd been dumped in there that could be of use in an Emperor's Children force - I've finished painting up a first edition Space Hulk plastic terminator and an RTB01 marine, and there's a v1 Keeper of Secrets, plastic terminator Librarian, and single-piece metal mk5 Heresy armour marine, and some of those old Genestealers waiting their turn (not that you'd normally find them in a chaos army, but my theory is Slaanesh can seduce *anything*). And props to the sculptors back in the day, they don't look half bad alongside new troops.

The Terminator was like " Emperor help me! This floor is mad out of floor!!"

The sculpts at 20:30 are outstanding. Great detail.

I still have a few old eldar models in original packaging. The ones where they still wore chaimail underneath their armor.

Excellent video! Definitely a trip down memory lane. Back in 2e, I had 100 of those Genestealers - no two had the same are positions - they were painted like fireants! (In fact, I had 10,000 points EACH of Marines (BLACK TEMPLARS 🤪), Orks, Genestealer Cult, Tyrranids, Genestealers, 15,000 points of Imperial Guard, 2k Eldar and about 1.5k or so of Chaos (Noiese Marines anyone?)! Lost interest in 3rd ed so traded it away ffor 28mm Essex Greeks and tons of other Historical miniatures since that was my first love and I was pursuing my Masters in History in at the time. Note: Lead in not poisonous on your skin as the molecule can not be absorbed through the skin as it is too large. It is only toxic if you ingest it (so no chewing on or playing with toy soldiers then sucking your fingers); wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water and you will be fine. (Been in the hobby since the early/mid 1970's when miniatures had far more lead in them; handled fishing weights, ammo and musket balls with no ill effect!) 🤪🎅😜 Finally, a miniature can be a model, but a model can not always be a miniature! You were handling metal MINIATURES and plastic models. 🎅

FYI about the old RT capt, That back pack is a separate piece. The Metal backpacks are very rare

Interesting, that Inquisitor has Fluer de Lys on its knees, might be one of the few instances we've gotten of a Sister Inquisitor

Old models are so lovely.

I love 2nd edition models! I've been building the Ultramarines 2nd Company entirely with 2nd edition models for the past year. Getting all the models to fill a full company was difficult but doable with eBay.

Back in 2nd edition their were different versions of every Librarian (Lexicanium, Codicier, Epistolary and Chief Librarian) where as nowadays they are all just chief librarians. Everything is standardised, the rams symbol was and possibly still is the symbol of Psykers back in the day. It also had slightly different symbols depending on the level of the psyker. For example this particular Space Marine Librarian is an Epistolary rank. Also I sometimes have to pinch myself when you pick up a model that I consider to be new then have to remind myself that were 20 years ago.

I have some of those old genestealers mixed in with my modern ‘stealers! You’re right, they look great alongside their newer brothers.

It took me so long to find that witch hunter inquisitor with flamer that didn’t have the flame broken off the gun…. Then I snapped it off opening the package when it arrived. If your after inspiration for painting it there was a paint off in white dwarf 292

You were the chosen one Jay. You were supposed to destroy the retro hype not join it.

The primaris librarian has a very similar pattern sculpted onto his sword, it's a really nice touch!

That old terminator captain did have a reissue as a limited collector model back in 2016

11:50 I don't really have any plans to do a Dark Eldar army but... add them to the challenge!

That Librarian from memory was an epistolary (level 3) the ranks were lexicanium (level 1) codicer (level 2) epistolary and chief librarian. (Level 4) level being the number of different psychic powers they could take.

This video made me finally pull the plug on buying the metal lady inquisitor (plasma pistol version) that’s been gathering dust in my FLGS for a long while. Also, witch hunters codex is amazing.

I remember these old minis, the old RT Space marine captain probabilly was a miscast, because I saw some of these, and they've a regular head. I build a whole heavy weapons squad with 2nd edition marines, and probabilly you're right about the genestealers' paint job , old Humbrol's where incredibly hard to remove!

I have that exact "Black Templar" captain. i just stripped the black paint off and can't wait to see what you did with yours.

16:45 those genestealers are badass. They seem to be what came in a 2nd ed (?) box of Space Hulk. These sculpts tell you everything you need to know about genestealers.

Inferno Pistols aren't hand flamers. They are pistol Melta guns and are extremely powerful. The Inquisitor was one of the highlighted models of the Witch Hunters Codex, using the Inferno Pistol, Power Stake, and Power Armor. Witch Hunters had so much fun stuff in it that was weird and wacky while being extremely powerful but limited in some way.

It is possible with the terminator that the leaning issue is caused by the feet having bent a little over time, I've had that with some old metal minis, you could try very, very gently bending them back a bit to have him looking up more.

I've been plotting a 2nd edition minis based Chaos Gate army, basically recreating the units available in the original game as a tabletop force.

Inquisition was also going to get their third Codex in 3rd-4th Editions for the Ordo Xenos army. Codex: Alien Hunters, which never came to be sadly.

Can't wait to see these painted up!

When I got into 40k, it was the tail end of 7E, so I picked up Dark Vengeance before it went OOP, but I never got around to painting the Librarian or the Captain(?), so I found their models a few days ago with the intent of painting them up. It turns out that the pattern on the sword goes just as far as it does on the old model! Actually, looking at it now, their swords look almost identical, with the same horned skull on the top of the grip, the only real difference seems to be an aquila pommel on the new model rather than a skull. Edit: You were kind of right about the pattern going halfway up the blade, that's how it is on the currently in production librarian models with swords.

Hey now... I'm from 1982 and I can only hope that I'm hanging in there. Lol I have a bunch of old 2nd ed models. A load of Marines and eldar. I have a handful of old nids too. Actually, I have one of the 2nd Ed zoanthropes on foot of you want it. Still new in package.

You can also do the victorian guard(yes this exists) if you can find them

I have a bit of a retro obsession at the moment. With the squats coming back I've rather keen to try and get some oop retro ones so when I start a Leagues of Votaan army, I can have one squad of veterans. I am also eager to get a praetorian IG army. I'm on the look out, again for at least 1 squad of retro Praetorians to make up a veteran squad whilst the main bulk can be the new Wargames Atlantic minis. I have however also be looking through my old models recently because of my new interest in retro. I work in a charity shop and on very rare occasion, we've had retro models come in. Of course I've snatched up anything of interest and also whatever doesn't sell to save it fro, the scrap heap. But looking through it, I've found some nice stuff. An old Commissar Yarrick (like 1990s yarrick) A rogue trader inquisitor in terminator armour Rogue trader librarian in terminator armour A space crusade dreadnought with some other models from the same box Old space marine scouts (possibly rogue trader) Blood angels Captain (possibly 2nd edition) An old metal dreadnought I also got from work 10 metal cadians, 10 metal catachans, and I also already owned 10 metal valhallans and 10 metal steel legion. (No praetorian though 😭) I also managed to get part of the old hero quest box. A plastic wizard, Elf, dwarf, human with some plastic skeletons. All still on the sprues. It's so much fun seeing all these classic mode,s which look crap by todays standards but are full of their own unique charm

The Librarian model you posted is from the 2nd edition release of the newer librarian models. Similar to Warhammer Fantasy at the time, all psykers in 2nd edition were generally available in three or four tiers. Librarians had classes/ranks: Lexicanum, Codicier, Epistolary and Chief Librarian. The model you have is the Epistolary version, or Level 3 of 4. GW used to release numerous "special" models at once. The Librarian launch included three different metal minis, and then a fourth in Terminator armour. I believe a bike Librarian followed after the release of the later plastic bikes, etc.

@oskar6661

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, and Force Weapons, as well as Witch Blades, etc. were...staggeringly powerful in certain conditions. 2nd edition was miles above modern 40K in terms of craziness. No other edition has come close to matching the lore in the game. It was 50% role-playing game/50% wargame. Easily breakable by gamers, but no version has touched the madness of 2nd edition.

Those OG Genestealers are WAY more fun to paint than the modern ones. I have 2 of them and had a blast getting them ready.

I actually like the old genestealers! I repainted mine last year and they fit perfectly in my hivefleet!

based on the weird references you see in old GW, I guarantee that the skull with goat horns is a reference to Tim the Enchanter

The Captain in the Terminator armor. The weapon on the Power Fist is a grenade launcher. That was a standard load out in Rogue trader

An old trick with metal models and slotta bases is to use plyers or just the corner of your desk to bend the tab into a V or S shape this will jam into the slot in the base and hold without needing anything else like blutak or folded paper. Also that terminator captain weapon on his fist is digital weapons upgrade card I think.

Those took me back . Goblin green bases!

The thing on the terminator captan is a grenade launcher, used to be an option back in the day.

@valdemarjakobsen9553

2 жыл бұрын

Dam, was here to say it.

Idk if you'd tried it on those genestealers, but the paint stripper from AK worked really well for me. It managed to get though thick paint and varnish and its become my go to, though I wish the bottles were bigger

Hmmm 1492. Thats interesting

OMG! I had that Beast Master and some Chimaeras when I was a kid, this video unlocked a very old memory, great finds!

3:33 the weapon in the power fist is a grenade launcher

I think the IG could totally get updated. Theoretically, making generic multiple arm and torso options for raggedy, ornate, or muscular arm/torso, then making a regular infantry and maybe a heavy weapon kit for each regiment. 2 kits per?

This rogue trader marine from 14:29 looks exactly like the one on the cover of Warhammer 40:000 rouge trader book, that gun etc only mirrored (the one with ork head in hand :D)

So the skull head was the librarians symbol for all chapters and armour was blue. Eary Techmarines had a big clawed hand. Chaplains had the big skull

I've got some old school jump marines still in pack! :D

The Librarians have Horns on the Skull as there Insignia according to the Kodex Spacemarines. The Primaris Librarian has some sculpted Details on his Force Sword.

I had that 'falling forward' Terminator Captain in my Legion of the Damned space marine army back in 1989/90, even then I thought it was a mis-cast mistake that he was at such a weird angle.

The primaris librarians have that banding (it only goes up halfway like you waid) but the primaris librarian and the phobos librarian have the same banding

FYI- there is a version of the Terminator Captian from Rogue Trader in Mark VI armor. It's hard to find as it was a limited edition model

The Primaris Librarian has a little bit of that lighting bolt kinda pattern on his sword as well.

"dumb Buzz Lightyear appearance" is the best description I've heard of Oldhammer Space Marines. They are derpy and charming at the same time. So glad GW introduced Primaris models to replace them.

The captain in terminator armour has an aux grenade launcher. Gw redid him in plastic a few years back.

You really need to paint all these up. I'm a sucker for old hammer

The lean forward is common to a lot of metals, but is more pronounced in the RT-era Termies (Chaos Termies are equally bad). My suspicion is that it has to do with the depth of the molds, and in order to fit the bulky upper backs of the Terminators, the model had to be cast at a slight forward angle, which in turn requires the feet to be angled so that they still slide directly out of the mold.