Tug boats should be mandatory until ships are clear of bridges when leaving ports.

@mikeleo5990

Ай бұрын

And arriving

@JackSquat54

Ай бұрын

They used to be. When was it stopped ?

@JoeLinux2000

Ай бұрын

Too many ships, too many bridges.

@joeysausage3437

Ай бұрын

No they should not.

@Zzrdemon6633

Ай бұрын

The tugs cut the ship loose minutes before the crash

I'm not sure even dolphin barriers could withstand the weight and force of a ship that large at that speed.

@TheFrogfeeder

Ай бұрын

Orcas could tho…

@Carlos-im3hn

Ай бұрын

why not try next time it is rebuilt ? why tempt fate ?

@markhansen4258

Ай бұрын

@@Carlos-im3hn It's been studied extensively. Stopping a 100,000 ton ship is really expensive. There are many thousands of bridges like this all over the world. Collision risk is always present.

@piccalillipit9211

Ай бұрын

@@markhansen4258 You dont NEED to stop it - you need to deflect it - IN EUROPE the old bridges have ship deflectors in front and behind them.

@leehranicka3689

Ай бұрын

Almost 1000 ft. long and 95,000 tons - quite a dramatic force.

Hindsight is wonderful.

@jimwoods9551

Ай бұрын

It's called "risk analysis" which almost certainly was completed in designing this bridge. This is a a big deal and would have involved professionals from all stakeholders. The question is whether it was updated as ships grew in mass (unlikely) and was the original process contaminated to contain construction cost (likely). Another comment suggests tug boat accompaniment was dropped - it would be interesting to see the RA for that too. Container ships generally have just a single huge propulsion engine without redundancy, the only way to provide redundancy is by tug.

All pilots should wear yellow goggles

He knows crap! Nobody knows, the brige was made before such huge ships was made. But, great glassrs ;)

Lights go out, 9 out 10 times fuel filters on the gen stopped up. I'm a pilot on a towboat on the Ohio River 46 years experience... I have not seen it all, but I've seen a lot.. maintenance of the generators is where I would look first. Generator goes down, it takes time to get the back up going, might have to start the steering pumps, takes time...

@SkyPilot54

Ай бұрын

Yes , that's my hunch too

@Wgs1753

Ай бұрын

What about reversing the screws, it worked when I was a main propulsion throttle man aboard USS Prarie AD 15, all stop, full reverse.

@TA-wg9oi

Ай бұрын

The generators are not running the ship. The main engines are. Power goes out when the generators are started and emergency lighting only comes online (this is seen in the videos where only some lights come back on). After approx 90 seconds, the black smoke is the main engines being restarted then all full power and lighting is up as the ship hits the bridge. The dragging port anchor may have contributed to the ship's starboard turn.

@markfox6596

Ай бұрын

That's right, generators run the steering, etc... the throttles are probably electronic. It's possible the main engine didn't answer the throttle until the power came back on. About the time the smoke came out of the stack..

@donwyoming1936

Ай бұрын

​@TA-wg9oi The bow went starboard because the ship was passing an inlet on that side when they lost power. The current pulled it to the right.

Im just here for those glasses bro

I was about to make fun of his glasses until I learned that he lives in New Orleans,now they make perfect sense.😂 That being said,he knows his stuff.

@timrobinson6573

Ай бұрын

They look like they're drawn on cartoon glasses

@Christy-js8nh

Ай бұрын

Are you 4 years old?

@boataxe4605

Ай бұрын

@@Christy-js8nh Nope,but I have learned that if you think young you feel young.

The vessel had power issues prior to departue so why did the Capt not call a halt to departure before the Pilot took contrl of the bridge ..

Here’s a thought: run the aux generator until you’re in open water instead of waiting 30 secs for it to “kick in” if needed.

Why didn’t they clear the bridge completely? They had 30 minutes!

All the maritime industry experts make me laugh.

Where do they find these ‘experts’?

Why do they not have dolphins positioned in front of the piers of these bridges to stop a collision

@GH-oi2jf

Ай бұрын

Complaceny. They needed large energy-absorbing fenders as well as large dolphins.

@sylvainmichaud2262

Ай бұрын

Because those managing the bridge have financial incentives to cut down the operating costs. Just like the port authorities in reducing the number and distance of tug boats assistance.

@ij8502

Ай бұрын

Watch season 2 of the wire haha

@TheFrogfeeder

Ай бұрын

They tried, but they didn’t want to hire a guy to sit out there and throw them fish all day

@Av-vd3wk

Ай бұрын

🐬???

2:59 I see NO pillar bumpers!

@matthewbilich9979

Ай бұрын

I've often noted that the Key bridge pier have minimal fendering.

@mystikmind2005

Ай бұрын

@@matthewbilich9979 Minimal fendering, zero structural redundancy, what could possibly go wrong?

@piccalillipit9211

Ай бұрын

IN EUROPE the old bridges have ship deflectors in front and behind them.

@JohnnyMotel99

Ай бұрын

@@mystikmind2005 built in the '70's way before megaton commercial ships.

@mystikmind2005

Ай бұрын

@@JohnnyMotel99 "way before" is it? The first cellular containerships, called the C7 class, were introduced in 1968.... Once the container began to be massively adopted at the beginning of the 1970s, the construction of the first fully cellular containerships (FCC; second generation) entirely dedicated to handling containers started. The size limit of the Panama Canal, which came to be known as the Panamax standard, was achieved in 1985

Too much....this Bridge had no protection

We should prepare a food basket for that poor girl at the end of the video ....

Aren’t the lack of safety measures( tug boats pier barriers etc ) the result of cut backs to “ money saving measures” during the previous administration? Similarly railway safety and aircraft safety. Far too many preventable accidents.

Why is the lieutenant being called lieutenant when he's clearly wearing captain's bars? Something not right there.

@massimookissed1023

Ай бұрын

In the army the two bars would be for a captain, but in the navy they signify a lieutenant rank.

@calrob300

Ай бұрын

@@massimookissed1023 thanks

It’s already happened about 38 times so it’s not rare. Building unsteerable oversized container ships Your simply asking for it. Especially when there is no APU. Aux Propulsion Unit. Even a sailboat has one

@TheFrogfeeder

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I mean why wasn’t there a kicker outboard on the back of that ship??!

From now on my suggestion is tugs escorting ships. Two forward and two astern.

@diffened

Ай бұрын

There were two tugs but they broke away before getting to the bridge

@robertbrouillette6767

Ай бұрын

@@diffened I know, and they were released after leaving the pier. For a ship that size, from now on, there should be tugs escorting through bridges, narrow channels, etc until departure.

@draco2xx

Ай бұрын

that expense coming out of your pockets buddy😂

@rileydj8764

Ай бұрын

Thousands of dollars an hour - hmmm who’s paying for that?

@davidgenie-ci5zl

Ай бұрын

@@draco2xx biden is going to make all of use to pay for that bridge.

Every engineer knows that there was an "acceptable risk", it was ok until it suddenly wasn't. Simple calculation of vessel speed and vessel weight = impact force. Mitigate risk by mandatory tugs to pass through critical areas. Now everyone is "outraged", as if they didn,t already knew

@sideshowbob

Ай бұрын

How about we seriously incentivize domestic manufacturing (or at the very least in the Americas - what happened to NAFTA?)? These giant container ships are incentivized via tax & regulation breaks at every juncture, to facilitate offshore manufacturing on the other side of the world. I Squarely blame Amazon Prime. Kitty litter is being Flown around the world, people!!!

@sideshowbob

Ай бұрын

Original design was for max size ships (break bulk cargo type) 1/2 the length / 1/4 the mass of current containerized ships. So technically correct at the time. But never updated. This is a big issue in engineering of both infrastructure & buildings. Older structures & systems are "grandfathered" under most codes / standards.

@unggrabb

Ай бұрын

@@sideshowbob engineers and authorities KNEW, but deemed it an "acceptable risk" and decided to do, nothing.

@sideshowbob

Ай бұрын

Yes, because the chance of a deteriorating bridge that might fall down under it's own weight is FAR more critical to address than the very remote chance of a ship hitting a pier. That's the essence of Risk Analysis in a nutshell. Pointing fingers is not productive. I am a civil engineer, retired now, 3+ decade designing & managing transportation infrastructure. If I had $1 for every time some non-technical folks Monday Morning Quarterbacked our decision making process I'd be a very rich man. Codes & standards are what engineers abide by for guidance and self protection when the pitchfork & torches mob shows up.

@unggrabb

Ай бұрын

@@sideshowbob not about fingerpointing, not at all. I have seen very bright people (including civil engineers) being so focused on their narrow area of expertise that they fail to see the "big picture". They fall in trap of thinking that "what they know is all there is to know". A layman not suffering the same "expert delusion" uses common sense and prevents incidents. All sorts of biases leading to expert blindness of reality. Among the masses who could have paid you the dollar when sharing their view, surely there were people having a valid point, or telling you stuff you didn't already know. Any good engineer is humble to listen, learn, broaden his mind. If only civil engineers designing Titanic, Discovery etc would have listened......

Nobody needs some old mans opinion. Its easy to see what happened

Greed is what it is. Why allow those floating island ? In such locations. ?? Brake it up in smaller ships. To avoid this situation…

Why aren't tug boats used when a ship is close to bridges and other inland obstacles?

@dalerobinson8456

Ай бұрын

It costs money

@patgreco2098

Ай бұрын

@dalerobinson8456 exactly. More often than not, the people that put these cost cutting measures into place are nowhere in sight when the shit goes bad. They don't care. They're at home with the old lady while Rodrigo and the five guys he carpooled to work with are trapped under a couple hundred tons of wreckage at the bottom of a river.

@Wgs1753

Ай бұрын

They normally were, at least when I was in the navy.

@Snargfargle

Ай бұрын

There were tugs that got the ship turned and headed into the main channel. The reason why tugs aren't used for every ship that sails under every bridge is cost. Ships and barges have crossed under bridges millions of times without incidence. If tugs were deployed every time a ship went under a bridge it would add billions, if not trillions, of dollars to the cost of products and produce. Since 1960, there have been fewer than 40 significant ship/bridge collisions.

@ericanderson8965

Ай бұрын

​@Wgs1753 The reason most Navy ships require tugs is because most warships DO NOT HAVE maneuvering thrusters. I speak from experience, retired US Navy.

Can someone please run through episodes of the Simpsons and see if this was foreshadowed like every thing else has been?

@sideshowbob

Ай бұрын

There's one where the sea captain grounds his ship & he's drunk & offers $100 to anyone willing to take the blame. Then there's one where he grounds his ship & it's carrying short shorts & everyone on the beach is wearing them & singing the "who wears short shorts" song.

It could literally happen everywhere...

It seems a good effort was made to make a Mayday/warning and dropping the anchor.

why no tugs?

@diffened

Ай бұрын

There were two but they broke away a few minutes before. A system that was going to fail at some point and it did.

@roxmattern60

Ай бұрын

I only found out that each port has their own rules with tugs. I noticed the tugs in Miami steer the cargo ships out of the shipping channel before they retreat back. They definitely would probably helped this ship

@francissobotka8725

Ай бұрын

I live here and the tugs help get them going and its up to the pilots .They recommended barrier "islands" like on the power lines crossing the river right there but republican lawmakers deemed them too expensive and blocked the proposal ,It was recommended after Sept 11th

@darrelljohnson5764

Ай бұрын

francis... proof ? Or just another democommunist ranting ?

Where was this sage before the incident?

@boataxe4605

Ай бұрын

Retired. But I bet that he has shared his well founded fears before,probably in a bar over a few drinks with other captains.

Could not tugboats steered the boat, system needed to be fixed

@3Mudbone1

Ай бұрын

A ship that size should have two large tractor tugs escorting them past things such as the bridge. It looks like a Maersk hand-me-down ship. Notice no company name on the side of the vessel. The stack is same color as Maersk container-ships. Not only that, but the Coast Guard should be boarding these vessels more when they are discharging and loading containers. I'll bet that they already had been having main propulsion and or generator problems. A Coast Guard experienced ship-engineer should talk with the chief engineer, and first assistant engineer.

It could happen at many bridges in the USA most were built before 1980 no redundancy

there are too many factors at play here which in my opinion either illustrate too much negligence to the point that it was inevitable to happen or simply done on purpose overall i believe the latter

Maybe the shouldn't steer a ship into a bridge.

*IN EUROPE* bridges have ship deflectors in front and behind them.

Why were the workers foreigners and not Americans?

He chose to wear those?

@boataxe4605

Ай бұрын

It’s a N’Orleans thing.

Nope

These companies can afford a tug chaperone.

A demolition team could have not done a better job. It was the equivalent of blowing that support with dynamite. This should cost Maerske shipping hundred of billions of dollars. More then they are probably insured for. It could bankrupt their insurer.

@AmericasChoice

Ай бұрын

Major insurers never go bankrupt. The intermediate corporations do, by design. So the operator of the ship, and the owner of the Line itself could go down. But firms like Lloyds of London NEVER do...

I don't buy this pilot's conclusion that it could happen to anyone. This ship had a history of failure. It should have been in a scrapyard several years ago. This sounds like corruption on many levels.

@boataxe4605

Ай бұрын

The ship was built in 2012, 12 years is not considered old for a ship. In fact, the newer the ship the more computer controlled it is and the greater the chance of this happening is.

The Americans in the comments here have lost it completely. Did you ever hear of the term Accident, what is an accident? An Accident is what happened here. There are more dieing every day in road accidents then what happened here. Give thanks for that and the officials who closed the bridge down and the ships crew that sent the mayday message. Stop this bitching about what should have happened and what didn't happen. Anyone can play the game of soccer or any other games from the comfort of the stands. But playing the actual game is another story.

Bro thinks he's a JRE guest 😂 😭 🤡

Demented Joe is the last person I would contact.

As usual comments section filled with people who think they know stuff

@TomSpeaks-vw1zp

Ай бұрын

There you go! Social media has everyone thinking they’re experts on any & every subject. I get real nervous when I hear “ self proclaimed expert.”😮

Something smells fishy here. No pun intended !

@purejoy1985

Ай бұрын

Sadly I agree. Because of the magnitude of this and loss of innocent lives tried to not feel this way. But a part of me do have questions. It's a shame to even think this way but when I saw the bridge fall, it sort of felt like a sign. Of where the nation is really is. Looking strong but very vulnerable and can fall at any moment. Sad to even feel this way but I do.

That Bridge Structure is not at Fault🤺 Harbor Master And Captain💀🤺U are at Fault⛷️

sure, it could happen. But dozens and dozens of ships pass through those same bridges each month...with no problems. The SHIP had problems, but they seem to want to blame bridges..... and our Sec of Transportation has deemed some brideges racist. Its not the bridge that was the problem....

Dont forget the people killed.

The more I see and hear about this accident. I'm starting to wonder if it was an accident. I spent 18 years working on different types of ships. From Tugs to Navy ships. The primary ships were seismic and Salvage ships. I did see the video what's a large amount of smoke coming from the stacks. That says the engines was under a tremendous train most likely trying to slow the ship. I said they lost steering and I know steering on these ships are all controlled electronic so something probably failed in it. What's the anchor should have been dropped.

@freemarley639

Ай бұрын

It was dropped

@roxmattern60

Ай бұрын

I saw there they did drop the anchors put it didn't stop or slow down the ship. The said the anchor chain was behind the boat as they boat kept going forward

@Treashuntr2020

Ай бұрын

Why did the ship turn right? Seems like it was going straight ahead! 🤯

Tug boats are need until bridge crossing is completed.

Why weren't the bridge workers warned? The longest video I've seen shows the ship floating towards them for over 6 minutes. (the actual notice time could be much longer.) That should've been enough to save some lives since they only had to run a few hundred meters towards the nearest bank to clear the spans that collapsed. Fail.

@timothyslaughter476

Ай бұрын

The ships emergency alerts would have been used to warn them but was run off main power which was out. Fortunately the radio worked which saved lives by shutting off traffic on the bridge. The ship should have back up power for emergency gear. The bridge authorities did warn the workers but literally minutes too late. Looking at the carnage days later you have to say 6 lives lost was minimal. Tragic but realistically based on the fact it happened when it did at 130 am....could have been hundreds of casualties.

Anchor, anchor! we don't need no stinking anchors! What, happened with it?😅

*AN UNUSUALLY INTELEGENT* comments section...

Why did they continue using the same port for container ships as they did when ships were much smaller? in the 1970's the port of London moved down the estuary because the container ships were too big. Why couldn't they relocate the port of Baltimore? This was an accident waiting to happen.

The United States and Ukraine have been trying very hard to destroy a bridge to Crimea. Maybe the U.S. can study this and learn how to destroy a bridge.

@bosshog8844

Ай бұрын

weird comment

@darrelljohnson5764

Ай бұрын

Maybe this was practice .

main problem is de-regulation of all norms by republican

Well one this is for sure .....the ships owners are going to bankrupt after paying to build a new bridge and victims family's , salvage removal of old bridge...

@halmyyusoff5696

Ай бұрын

Nope... Ship normally have insurance. Insurance costs go sky rocket after this and events happen in Red Sea. No to include everlast super carrier in Suez last time. Shipping costs high and goods are pricier.

@chrisrock3108

Ай бұрын

No they won’t

@dikoman516

Ай бұрын

Those who will end up paying is ultimately us, through much pricier good that this ships transport...

@arthurbrumagem3844

Ай бұрын

Biden said the taxpayers would foot the bill. It is after all an election year

Civil War 2.

Did anyone have destruction of bridge on their disaster bingo cards.😮

Just waiting for Pete B to blame it on rasizm. lol

@sdsmt99

Ай бұрын

Like you've already done? Those woke engineers in 1970 were waiting for this day. Crawl back in your hole, the adults have work to do.

@sky173

Ай бұрын

@@sdsmt99 🤣🤣🤣

Lies

THAT'S WHAT YOUR GROUND TACKLE IS FOR! All vessels have multiple anchors and chains available to release, pay out, and set, as soon as the Bridge Team knows that the engines have stopped. Sounds like the Bridge Team & Pilot screwed up royally!

@cecilandrews7479

Ай бұрын

Did they screw up? Or was it on purpose? My first question was when they lost power with a vessel that large and unable to regain control why was the anchors not dropped. I know it would not have stopped a ship that size when loaded that heavy, but it would have slowed it somewhat giving more time to clear the bridge. And maybe reducing damage to the bridge

@bernielindell

Ай бұрын

Oh man, where were you at? They needed an expert just like you! Where the hell were you genius? This is all your fault! 🙄. Fkn moron, you don’t think the crew did everything they could?

@freemarley639

Ай бұрын

They dropped the anchor

@bernielindell

Ай бұрын

Moron, they did drop anchor. Since my last comment was deleted. Figured Id try one more time, delete the internet and start over idgit.

@karrionwilliams92

Ай бұрын

They literally dropped the anchor before it happened…

This ship was not with out propulsion, not a 9 knots that's near half throttle on a ship that size. And it would be twin screw which would allow steering control. We call bumper games when I was in the navy.

@TheNiteinjail

Ай бұрын

Half speed ... Way more than half throttle 😊

@TheNiteinjail

Ай бұрын

I believe the MV Dali was single screw with bow thrusters

@jeffandjoannbauer9567

Ай бұрын

Dali is a single screw ship, like virtually all cargo vessels. The ship radioed it had lost power, and 100,000 tons doing 8 knots doesn’t stop because the engine shut off.

Ship turned and come straight at the bridge support and had hazardous materials on the front of the ship all power went out EXCEPT the light on the front of the ship something is fishy here 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@massimookissed1023

Ай бұрын

The river. It's probably quite fishy.

No accident

The Mississippi River goes through Baltimore?

Why not drop anchor to slow down vessel?

@mike59317

Ай бұрын

They did, but the anchor skips and slides over the harbours floor. If the anchour digs in the chain would snap instantly.

Could have been a runaway diesel

@user-wz7eq2qz3c

Ай бұрын

🤡☝🥸

Yeah I’m just gonna go off that guys glasses and say he doesn’t know shit.

@thulomanchay

Ай бұрын

I agree, with everything Yellow Glasses says. What he said about piloting ship being challenging is true.

@boataxe4605

Ай бұрын

He’s from New Orleans so those glasses are perfectly fine. Anywhere else they are silly. And he obviously knows his stuff.

PEMEX. ¿¿😅

Maybe Biden can redirect some of his wasteful infrastructure bill funds to fixing these issues rather than pork barrel projects

THE POLICY IN BALTIMORE HARBOR IS CONTAINER SHIPS ARE TUGGED INTO PORT BUT NOT OUT???? TUGS ARE NOT CHEAP. THE PHILOSOPHY IS TO PROTECT THE DOCKS AS SHIPS COME IN. MY GUESS IS THIS POLICY QUICKLY CHANGES.