Let’s settle this once and for all, take it to the war thunder forums

@FelipeCH-fn7sc

8 ай бұрын

Only "sharing" the "special documents" in War Thunder can end this dispute once and for all!

@29JTAC

8 ай бұрын

@@FelipeCH-fn7scdont forget that you must be serving within armed forces ;)

@OwOyvern

8 ай бұрын

💀

@u2beuser714

8 ай бұрын

Shoigu , do you play warthunder? What about you Gerasimov?

@llamaimpyjama6402

8 ай бұрын

Lets Not do that

I've heard a joke like that: An american spy was a soviet spy's friend and both meet each other in a bar despite their differences. One day, they had a conversation that lead them to talk about propaganda. The american spy said: - Seriously, I really love your soviet propaganda. Not gonna lie, but you know how to reach the masses. So, the soviet spy replied: - True, our propaganda bureau only allow the best to work there. BTW, I also love your american propaganda. When the american spy heared that, he stood up and, with anger, shout out: - Nonsense! We don't have propaganda!

@wareagle3651

8 ай бұрын

Well said. We’re still told that our enemies are Russia and China and that their populations are brainwashed and propagandized. Maybe there’s some truth to that, but I live in the US and I’m more concerned about what our government and media push out to our people on a daily basis. It’s scary how many people don’t even question it.

@ruskiessuck3337

8 ай бұрын

stupid post. Orcs are in fantasy land. Big difference

@user-qp8eq3ux2w

8 ай бұрын

​@@ruskiessuck3337says the windmill of friendship

@sneakycactus8815

8 ай бұрын

lmao. thats a good one. very true too

@Spetsnaz-kw3d

8 ай бұрын

Operator starsky and United 24 ?

Real OGs remeber when RedEffect & AlphaDefense were beefing over the Arjun MBT and Matimus had to intervene 😂

@rajaydon1893

7 ай бұрын

Good times

@Thunderbolt22A10

5 ай бұрын

said it on the Chieftain's vid I'll say it again 2020 we had the Arjun Debacle 2023 we had the T14 tiff see you in 2026 for the next tank fight bros

@heresomewhere7600

3 ай бұрын

@@Thunderbolt22A10 drdo is coming with zorawar light tank this year i am looking forward to that fight :)

@ricky7426

2 ай бұрын

that wasnt even that long ago

@patriotenfield3276

Ай бұрын

Well That did end with a Surprisingly good Ending . Red did admit he missed some good points about Arjun and Alpha did admit that He shouldn't have bantered with Red about this back and forth but just discussed it peacefully . Not Glad they privatised their videos tho.

These videos can no longer be "response" videos. This is a whole conversation at this point.

@PTillA-kf7rq

8 ай бұрын

Usually people talk in the same room or web room to hold a conversation. This is one pathetic person's attempt to discredit someone he personally does not like and his homies. A group of critics I wouldn't entrust with a box of wet matches.

@RomanianReaver

8 ай бұрын

@@PTillA-kf7rq Didn't know GlazedPork had a group :-?

@sovieticodiabetico6874

8 ай бұрын

@@PTillA-kf7rq yeah Lazerpig attempt to discredit Redeffect just because he personally doesn`t like him truly was pathetic.

@PTillA-kf7rq

8 ай бұрын

@@RomanianReaverAll the same for someone who doesn't like being called a Russian propagandist there sure all alot of people who use Russian propaganda commenting on and defending redeffect on his channel, And as far as I know red didn't ask them to anymore then Lp did, so fans I guess, though really why are so many people who talk about russian propaganda so attracted to his channel to comment and defend him if he's not a russian propagandist, birds of a feather tend to flock together and all that. By the way I wear glasses, you in my opinion might want to see an optometrist, I am not a group but a single person sir. Oh look who else is back Soviet. I thought when you made that "português?" comment you had learned not to hold an unhealthy grudge, I see not.

@PTillA-kf7rq

8 ай бұрын

@@sovieticodiabetico6874 Vulture.

Do we need to mention that Lazerpig even went under Chieftain’s channel to rant about how Chieftain shouldn’t critique him and should stay out of it? Of course Lazerpig deleted his comment after getting the pin of shame and heavily ratioed.

@lukestroud9630

8 ай бұрын

Hes very condescending and rude. Most of his titles and cover art is clickbait and he is more bias than factual. I found his response video to be more evident that he had his ego hurt than it was a factual counter. Being a brit ive met many like him, hes just a salty guy who is sarcastic and condescending and ive never liked his videos due to the childish manner they are presented in.

@bloodking73

8 ай бұрын

The guys with boyfriends crowd are always highly entitled and act like a protected class

@lolasdm6959

8 ай бұрын

LLLLLLLLLLLLLL🤣

@lolasdm6959

8 ай бұрын

@@bloodking73 no just him actually

@pheonixshaman

8 ай бұрын

@@bloodking73 "And gradually, I began to hate them."

Lazerpig calling you "parroting propaganda" is rich coming from him.

@danielsebestyen7955

8 ай бұрын

Really? What propaganda? Maybe I Just didn't see it as someone who borned behind the iron curtain I Just hate ruzzia.

@ka3ax85

8 ай бұрын

lol LP is right. This guy is a Russian blog muncher.

@belliduradespicio8009

8 ай бұрын

@@danielsebestyen7955 ok have 10 million arabs instead

@ishitrealbad3039

8 ай бұрын

was about to say the same.

@esanahka9284

8 ай бұрын

@@belliduradespicio8009 Better that than being dying poverty ridden dying shi_thole like Russia. Russians love doing sudoku so much they have 7th highest rates of it :)

Talking about the challenger 2 era, today first c2 got destroyed and it didn’t have that front era, “they won’t be deployed without era” aged bad

@thatonelocalauthority2809

7 ай бұрын

yea the Ukrainians got the most basic versions of the C2 just like how DPR get shitty T55s. Your point? Ruskies love jumping on shit before anything is actually confirmed haha.

I know it sounds weird but this video is kind of wholesome. Not escalating something, talking calm and with reason and not shouting out insults... if we could all just take a step sometimes and acknowledge facts and reason, we would have a much greater time.

@Teenpig24

8 ай бұрын

NahI like the shouting of insults. Especially at some butt hurt soviet raape army apologist

@AngryBird000

8 ай бұрын

Man ain't wrong

@etzwei7994

8 ай бұрын

Tbh, Lazerpig just sounds like someone who wants to be right, and not someone trying to find the truth. And the truth doesn't care what you support or your ideologies. He sounds like he just want to be right against Cone and Redeffect (which I have no idea why if you're simply trying to be an informative guy). I feel like this is more of an ego thing and unwilling to be wrong (which is very childish and immature). I'd understand if he's like 14 years old, but a grown ass adult?

@SangiinKherem

8 ай бұрын

@@etzwei7994 I see it the same, Lazerpig doesn't try to find the truth. He won't admit mistakes and instead just wants to get validation from his community.

@raketny_hvost

8 ай бұрын

just because redeffect at least tries to be neutral while this pig thing is probably yankie "hooraa patriot". so obviously he will be more biased

Some Russian dude is going to disclose top secret t14 docs on a war thunder forum and prove you both wrong.

@vepr5596

8 ай бұрын

As is tradition!

@nathanielwowchuk6880

2 ай бұрын

Turns out the engine is straight up a refurbished Ford model T engine

Y’know what I am actually learning something really important from all of this: a lot of history has likely been very skewed and distorted just because of drama between historians like this

@Roamingeast

8 ай бұрын

not even historians. just a bunch of technical manual weenies with an internet connection and wikipedia.

@yougonahaveanoratime9726

8 ай бұрын

Nothing new, If their is one thing I 100% agree with LP on, It is the fact that you need to be able to know people, cause history is ultimately written by people, and people can be biased as hell a lot of time

@toninhosoldierhelmet4033

8 ай бұрын

i honestly believe that all human history is a bunch of lies in a bunch of books and internet forums, you can't trust anybody and that's the main reason why we are still at war over dumb things.

@catalincata9043

8 ай бұрын

@@yougonahaveanoratime9726As you can see with the current Ruso-Ukrainian war. Each side has biases. Some more extreme i would say on the Ukr side. Then magnified by western ability to push it out to masses since they own all forms of main stream media.

@dhanu_4539

8 ай бұрын

​@@yougonahaveanoratime9726nah he's an idiot.... A russian engineer a German engineer an American engineer are all engineers at the end of the day... Most of the Russian guys were blasting their ex bosses all the projects they ruined and most of them are a bunch of complaints.... It takes a real manipulative piece of garbage to confuse engineering reports with psyops... Any person with common sense should be able to understand this. Soviet engineers didn't get paid well enough to lie about anything in the 80s 90s or early 2000s

I am a layman when it comes to tanks . I took a lot of what lazerpig said especially about the engines on face value . Thanks a lot for providing context .

LazerPig thinks it is wrong to use Russian sources when people talk about Russian tanks. Furthermore, LazerPig thinks using Russian sources = pro Russian propaganda. I don't think there can be any meaningful conversation with LazerPig on the subject of T-14 Armata.

@OryxAU

8 ай бұрын

Wasn't one of RedEffect's sources just like...some guy's blog. lol

@gnayiefnus1327

8 ай бұрын

Then question his sources in a case by case manner. Not label all Russian sources as pro Russian propaganda. @@OryxAU

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

8 ай бұрын

Well, most of what russians release seems to be mostly fantasy or at least extremely cherry picked. Using that as a single source should be questionable at the very least.

@suddenlythatenderman5800

8 ай бұрын

wrooong@@baronvonlimbourgh1716

@nixles2577

8 ай бұрын

​@@baronvonlimbourgh1716"Most of Russians release" lol, isnt due to the deception of Western manufacturers of air defense systems, some countries began to purchase Russian missiles, rheinmetall blatantly lies about the armor penetration of their new shells, showing the maximum possible numbers in ideal conditions without showing statistically average results (as well as bullshit about shells that do not explode dynamic protection) All arms manufacturers lie one way or another, clowns who claim that only one side is lying completely ignore the problems of the other side.

Lazerpig's video was essentially a manchild's rant, it's surprising that RedEffect even bothered to make a rebuttal considering how logically flawed LP's video was. The amount of cherrypicking LP did was astounding.

@matejstanic5293

8 ай бұрын

Agreed

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

That's all his videos.

@jamesmandahl444

8 ай бұрын

As another wise poster mentioned, lazerpig is indeed gay. This must be brought into account when weighing these important matters.

@zata4ul

8 ай бұрын

you have to take into account that plenty of LP's fans seem to be even more logically flawed and tend to believe everything he says, either because they're children or just that braindead

@snowsnow4231

8 ай бұрын

westoids: "Its bad to rely on Soviet sources" also westoids: releases yet another "why this murican thing is the best in the world" that relies on murican self proclaimed facts LP is a classic teenager stuck in adults body who uses tribalism and hating on the other tribe as a way to compensate for the lack of achievements in real life

Lazer claims that the M1 engine doesn't consume more fuel when we literally have a US made document of different engines consumption when mounted onto M1.

@niksonrex88

8 ай бұрын

And everyone who worked with the M1 will tell you that it consumes loads of fuel. If the guy knew anything about how engines work we wouldnt be having this convo...

@simon2493

8 ай бұрын

@@niksonrex88 he historian and he might be good at making research for history specific topics, but he's not a tank nerd and it shows when he says some things for his head and gets it wrong as with Honeywell turbine. Making a video about T-14 when he can't access non English sources is laughable.

@korana6308

8 ай бұрын

@@simon2493 What makes you think he is a historian? He is a NAFO ukro bot. Their whole premise is to paint Russia black any way that they can. And that is exactly what he has been doing.

@subjectc7505

8 ай бұрын

And it makes sense why most MBTs are gas rather than gas turbine.

@NunoFilipe-yx4lx

8 ай бұрын

But lazer is right, what you're talking about here is the early stages of the abrams turbine engine and everyone knew that from the start so they had plans for the later installment of an auxiliary power unit (APU), same shit with the noise, the tanks was louder indeed but not by much, and this changed aswell over time. The problem is the crews stuck with the joke and people still think it consumes loads of fuel. That engine can take several types of fuel without much trouble and is very reliable, also in terms of hp output its much better (I'm not american nor an americaboo, its just that lazer is right)

You can tell that LazerPig is very smart because he says “ah yes” and “hur dur” a lot

@hussainalsharif

8 ай бұрын

common midwit behavior

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 ай бұрын

He also loves men

@robertgaudet7407

8 ай бұрын

And Hurm hurm hurm hurm hurm!

@hinderburger3804

7 ай бұрын

british banter

@ajr993

7 ай бұрын

Anyone who's watched both videos can tell that you haven't watched Lazer Pig's videos at all. This is as stupid as saying: you can tell RedEffect is very smart because he talks with a funny accent.

The fact that LazerPig doesn't list his sources because a viewer wouldn't "go through the same trouble and work" is just laughable. What kind of argument is that? I wrote a very extensive comment on his A-10 videos because they either don't list sources, are blatantly wrong or completly misinterpret and/or misrepresent facts from these sources. The fact anyone takes that guy seriously is just absurd and everytime he makes a video he empowers the worst kind of people to parrot his comments on every decent discussion.

@Goober762

7 ай бұрын

The A-10 does suck and his sources are in the description

@Mrhungern

6 ай бұрын

@@Goober762 The A-10 sucks in every single way. Its a dirty stain on the american air force.

@robincray116

6 ай бұрын

​​@@MrhungernIt is definitely hated by the airforce. They would call it a dirty stain. However it seems to be loved by ground forces. You know the ones that its actually supposed to support as a CAS platform. Maybe ground forces don't matter to people who fly. For example it did roughly 30% of all the sorties during Iraq. Source: Magunson Stew, "Fight to Keep A-10 Warthog in Air Force Inventory Reaches End Game " National Defense, Vol. 98, No. 718 (Sept. 2013), pp. 41-43

@robincray116

6 ай бұрын

​@@Goober762Missed out the part of the post that said Lazerpig misinterpreted his own sources?

@Goober762

4 ай бұрын

@@robincray116 missed the part where the A-10 has killed more friendly units that all of airforce aircraft combined

lazer pig is complaining about him using russian and soviet sources for russian and soviet tanks??? 💀💀💀💀💀💀

@SLIMJIMNIM

8 ай бұрын

Because russian and soviet sources are biased, making their vehicles seem better than they actually are. Now, keep in mind NATO/Western sources aren't very trustworthy at times, but they damn sure can be credible and truthful to an extent.

@shaddaboop7998

8 ай бұрын

That's not what he said. He said he believed that RedEffect wasn't objective enough with Soviet sources but was highly critical of Western ones. Soviet sources are known for being a little, erm, how should we say this, _fanciful_ at times when compared to Western ones. Partly due to a general lack of transparency and a culture which, depending on who was in charge, may have penalised negative reporting. And it should come as a surprise to no one that publicly available modern Russian sources are highly dubious. Nobody's perfect, RE is generally reliable, and you should always do your own research and come to your own conclusions if you really want to know "the truth". LazerPig and RedEffect present themselves as educators, and they are in a way, but really they're essayists giving their personal, (mostly) fact-based opinions on things.

@liamwartz

8 ай бұрын

​@shaddaboop7998 Are we quoting this..?

@andreyh2944

8 ай бұрын

@@shaddaboop7998 >Soviet sources are known for being a little, erm, how should we say this, fanciful at times when compared to Western ones Citation needed. There is no reason to assume that a Soviet source would be more or less biased than a Western one. The bias is just directed differently.

@ilhamshobri461

8 ай бұрын

its like saying ... why you choose to belive american source from lockheed martin about their f-16 instead chinese source for f-16

LazerPig, instead of admitting he is wrong, goes around saying that people correcting him must be some Russian bots. I hate men like this, no responsibility and all he needed to do is to just simply say that, he was wrong or point us to the sources he was using.

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 ай бұрын

Lazerpig also loves men

@tophatdalekthetophatteddal7402

8 ай бұрын

but he did admit he can be wrong. His entire attitude is one where he knows he can be proven wrong. However quoting Literal forum posts as sources isn't proper proof. Especially when those forum posts are about NATO engines and made by Russians. This entire drama is stupid, neither are wrong.

@Cylus024

8 ай бұрын

​@@just_a_turtle_chadSuch a comment helps nobody.

@alanxu3936

8 ай бұрын

@@Cylus024 It's true though. LazerPig himself stated he was homosexual, most likely to appease his degenerate Western Gen-Z fanbase.

@shipmasterofsanghelios9856

8 ай бұрын

@@just_a_turtle_chad And your point is?

I sure am glad Lazerpig took the criticism to heart amd responded with the same level of professionalism.

@Kosogoat

8 ай бұрын

nah he just took to a vine bottle

@diond9927

8 ай бұрын

professionalism?

@Ghent_Halcyon

8 ай бұрын

One of his whole things is being drunk during his vids half the time. Mmm yes, professionalism is not something to expect.

@mateuszwisniewska1848

8 ай бұрын

​@@Ghent_Halcyonits for joke ya know

@Ghent_Halcyon

8 ай бұрын

@@mateuszwisniewska1848 I hadn’t meant to post the comment, but apparently leaving the comments automatically posts it.

Lazerpigs Video felt a lot like attempted character assasination ngl...

The Lazerpig redditor meets an actual engineering documentation the KZread saga

@testiclegaming1250

8 ай бұрын

Whod win Some NAFO fan who is UNIRONICALLY FUNDED BY UKRAINE'S GOVERNMENT Or Some Eastern European dude

@diegomoreno7760

8 ай бұрын

On your Dreams clown 🤡🤡

@-YellowFruit-

8 ай бұрын

Lmao

@simonschneider5913

8 ай бұрын

i feel lazerpig couldnt tell any two engines apart if he has no docs to go with. he seems like he doesnt have any clue about engineering, at all.

@-YellowFruit-

8 ай бұрын

@@simonschneider5913 big shocker

Pozzed Pig calling anyone a propagandist is pure projection.

@lihangsu249

8 ай бұрын

Freud explain everything

@racket804

8 ай бұрын

I had a look at his channel and he seems like the typical extremely biased NATO worshiping military enthusiast. Probably frequents the subreddit Non-Credible Defense. His video on the F35 is pure trash and could be considered propaganda.

@tastethecock5203

8 ай бұрын

He IS a part of a propaganda internet group lol

@cdgncgn

8 ай бұрын

since he is one, everybody has to be. He just dislikes RF corruption, but it still seems it has some confines, unlike in the US.

@TheOtherFagola

8 ай бұрын

Great nickname.

He accuses you of using Soviet sources for Soviet Tanks. That's like accusing someone of using The Bible to study Christianity.

@rkadi6540

8 ай бұрын

Before the conflict, nobody even bother if you post some russian thing with russian documentation/source. The sheer amount of anti russia is scary right now

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

8 ай бұрын

Well, your comparison pretty much supports lazerpigs argument completely. Both are a collection of fantasy's describing something that never existed as described in the sources...

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

8 ай бұрын

​@@rkadi6540 i wonder where all that anti russia is comming from. It is not like something happened recently that showed the true mindset and values of russia.. Right?

@Fred_the_1996

8 ай бұрын

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 yeah but just because they are the quote "bad guys" in this war doesnt mean their equipment is all of a sudden all shit and made out of cardboard etc etc

@yellowtunes2756

8 ай бұрын

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 "true mindset and values of Russia"- how exactly Russian actions in Ukraine differ from NATO actions in Syria for example? Both sides decided to help rebels and destroy shite local government. Do you think American sources also shouldn't be used ?

Bro ended the video by kidnapping the pig

The lack of respect from lazer pig is astounding considering how wrong he was

@arandomt-9056

8 ай бұрын

Hes in a group called NAFO who focused on attacking russian with memes

@-Benito_Swagolini-

8 ай бұрын

@@arandomt-9056don’t forget how he also signed a deal with a Ukrainian propaganda front

@gustaveliasson5395

8 ай бұрын

​@@-Benito_Swagolini- Well, that's news to me. Mind if I ask for a source or some general directions for looking into the subject?

@pupubichol7593

8 ай бұрын

@@gustaveliasson5395Red Effect did provides a picture of united 24 signing a deal with lazer pig, maybe in the middle of the video.

@BARelement

8 ай бұрын

@@arandomt-9056That’s highly unproductive in a space like Tank Enthusiasm where we kinda just want the facts, and maybe throw in the politics when contextual. But don’t lie pointlessly. That ruins this space. Ppl don’t gain a hobby to be around drama queens. Men ruin everything with DRAMA Lazer pig is one. It’s funny how he claims he’s been attacked, and his fans being mocked. When I was one of the FIRST to correct him, and his fans called me all kinds of things (Tankie, N4zi, evil, Russian propagandist, etc I can’t say all them). Everything but a CHILD OF GAWD 😂! So to play victim when this is the drama he, and his fans sewed up needlessly is crazy. Not to mention painting Red as pro Russian propaganda seems like he’s just saying so based on his accent. Because as a pro ukraine, and anti-child r8p guy I can say this channel hasn’t been kind/biased towards the Russians hence why I’m here. The issue for them is that red hasn’t been spreading propaganda about the Ukrainians either. So if you don’t play ball you’re public enemy number 1.

That time Lazerpig wrote a deranged comment in The Chieftan's video and after that deleted it and said it was not him. 😂😂

@K_N.H.

8 ай бұрын

What he say?

@LeadFollower551

8 ай бұрын

what did he write?

@LoisoPondohva

8 ай бұрын

Me too wants to know

@andrewduan5123

8 ай бұрын

did he delete it? lol

@andrewduan5123

8 ай бұрын

@@LoisoPondohva he basically calls cheiftan a clout chaser and says hes disapointed that he even mentioned the dispute in the firstplace.

'If the headline is a question, the answer is usually "no".'

German here. I always enjoy your content to get a clear picture. As far as I can tell, I don't watch your videos for political stuff. I'm here because you analyze things with data. Thumbs up for the quality of your content. You are actually the only one I subscribed to the notifications.

@SangiinKherem

8 ай бұрын

I enjoy the fact that Red Effect, contrary to Lazerpig remains neutral and professional despite the politics. Lazerpig simply bashes the T14 because it is Russian. Even the Nazis in WW2 were more serious and took their enemy seriously instead of bashing their technology and tactics.

@MrWankyTank

5 ай бұрын

@@SangiinKherem i think its to do with the disconnect that the internet has with everyone. its easy to bash all russian tanks when youre not on the receiving end of a 125mm.

@vanjamenadzer

4 ай бұрын

@@SangiinKherem LazerPig is a textbook example American...

@SangiinKherem

4 ай бұрын

@@vanjamenadzer He is actually British not American

@seppeldeppl

3 ай бұрын

@@SangiinKheremhe‘s Scottish

It’s one thing to point out someone’s potential bias. But when LazerPig keeps saying you’re “parroting propaganda” it seems like he’s just trying to discredit you, or trying to poison the well, so to speak. Also, anyone who has followed RedEffect knows that the accusation that he’s trying to clout farm LazerPig to gain subs is crazy. After reading LazerPig’s posts and watching his response, it seems to me that he’s just butthurt that he got called out on his BS. He took it VERY personally!

@rcajavus8141

8 ай бұрын

LazerPig sounds like some of those pedophiles like Jimmy Saville, strong caracter, provokative, doesnt allow a minimal questioning of his own actions... wouldnt surprise me, he calles himself a Pig after all

@DonaldTrump2024FuckGoogle

8 ай бұрын

lazerpig is using classic tactic blaming others for the things that person is doing himself, he is just a racists mi5 shill

@scrink9117

8 ай бұрын

This is so true, in the first 5 mins he’s discredited RedEffect about a thousand times after saying “no beef” and shit and it’s so clear he’s just salty and butt hurt

@gary6576

8 ай бұрын

Lazerpig can't honestly claim red is promoting propaganda when he is a self confessed "NAFO" member, which is a pro western imperalism trollfarm

@Bdog40

8 ай бұрын

Laser pig is a definition of "Everybody is stupid except me"

LazerPig sounds like a child whose favorite superhero was insulted here. His arguments are so emotional, and his facts are shallow at best, rooted in seemingly nothing in terms of actual data. I think if he goes on from this response, the best course of action will be to just let him be angry by himself, as this dispute is clearly going nowhere.

@momo9594

8 ай бұрын

Or whose ancestors got eaten by ww2 Russians!😂

@saucyinnit8799

8 ай бұрын

Lazerpig got Severe Emotional Damage by Red's video

@user-yb1yc7ht4f

8 ай бұрын

​@@saucyinnit8799He needs to drink less

@artnull13

8 ай бұрын

It seems your favourite superhero the T-14 and Red Effect got insulted - look at all the personal attacks against LP and pure copium. That’s all the evidence you need. Meanwhile I’m sure LP is laughing at all the _triggered vatniks_ 😂

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

He's a manipulative liar and he knows it. No more giving him the benefit of the doubt, he's just a scoundrel.

Surprisingly nice response to someone who spends half his video slandering you

@absolutelyscrumptious7552

7 ай бұрын

I don't seem to recall any slander in LP's video. I recall it being quite the opposite

@mystictomato9466

7 ай бұрын

@@absolutelyscrumptious7552You don’t recall it well then.

@absolutelyscrumptious7552

7 ай бұрын

@mystictomato9466 I can recall it so well, I went through the entire video again to confirm it and I can confidently say there is no slander against Red Effect in his entire video. Try again

@mystictomato9466

7 ай бұрын

@@absolutelyscrumptious7552 How about you try again with your rewatch of his video? He called Red Effect a Russian propagandist multiple times, he also name called him with multiple different debating insults. And after all that he lied about RedEffect for attacking him personally (which RedEffect didn’t do) and not addressing his points and instead attacking him for things that he was right about (indirectly calling him a liar). So tell me again, LazerPig did not slander RedEffect? I don’t know if you are a LazerPig fan but this is the average mentality of a LazerPig’s fan.

@absolutelyscrumptious7552

7 ай бұрын

@mystictomato9466 I'm not entirely sure what you think slandering is, bit calling someone a propagandist for a specific country isn't slander. And even if it were, it wouldn't be slander, especially when it's a known fact that Red Effect is known to use Russian Propoganda for his arguments and such, which LP points out.

He just "flimflams" for 40 minutes, cries about why hes right about the engine and basically says that he firmly believes that a 2015 tank uses an engine of the 30´s/40´s

Red Effect has been the only channel I can watch where I know and feel that I am not being lied to intentionally. The critiques on Western and Eastern tanks are equal, and the fact that both Western and Eastern supporters hate you, that says a lot about your content for being centered.

@subjectc7505

8 ай бұрын

Same, I only watch Laser for his WW2 videos because it's easier to point out lies. With Modern Technology, Red is my go too.

@tristanstebbens1358

8 ай бұрын

True, reminds me of the people/channels who criticised russian autoloader designs yet also conceded that it's the future for all tanks but needs it's issues ironed out. They then had russian lovers hate them, and had western lovers say "abrams doesnt have one and its better so yeah, go d*e". Low and behold, the US military accepts autoloaders will likely be incorporated into future designs while russia is still refining theirs to this day.

@lolasdm6959

8 ай бұрын

@@subjectc7505 Lazer's ww2 videos are still crap

@lolasdm6959

8 ай бұрын

@@tristanstebbens1358 It's interesting that they think tank blowing up is something unique to Russian tanks??? Like do they think Leopard turrets don't fly when all the ammo inside cooks???

@subjectc7505

8 ай бұрын

@@lolasdm6959 eeh, compared to his modern videos.

Not providing the source and telling someone to "JuSt lOoK iT Up By YouRsElFe" is a really big red flag.

@tristanrouse6150

8 ай бұрын

He had folks dig in archives. In Russia. Which is currently in full-blown patriotic censorship mode.

@Underb00t

8 ай бұрын

LP said that? Whow

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

8 ай бұрын

​@@Underb00t He showed the sources. He just didn't name them.

@Underb00t

8 ай бұрын

@@ChucksSEADnDEADI see, I see

@FireOccator

8 ай бұрын

He did provide the sources, but intentionally didn't reveal where to get those sources, so that people are forced to go trough the same suffering as he did.

it's amazing how T-14 Tanks first kill is Lazerpig's career

@Doyle-

8 ай бұрын

They said Digital Era wasnt for Tank...

@Cord64_o7

8 ай бұрын

@@Doyle- LOL

@saucy743

8 ай бұрын

The only tank that destroyed someone's career.

Lazerpig drinking game, take shot of vodka whenever he says "Hurr, Durr."

@commenter648

Ай бұрын

nah don't even Russians will die of alcohol poisoning if they play this game

Lazerpig sounds like a random dude who just found out about tanks and decided to treat them like cars

@tiagomonteiro130

8 ай бұрын

I heard that he is in the British military, no wonder the British army is going downhill with people like this guy in it.

@departmentoftheeruseanroya9106

8 ай бұрын

@@tiagomonteiro130Given how he behaves, I’d straight up accuse him of Stolen Valor. I know a few vets, all of American, but none of them would ever act like him.

@LoisoPondohva

8 ай бұрын

​@@tiagomonteiro130 I'm pretty sure it has been demonstrated he isn't and was never in any military, but did hold a desk job for a military contractor as a junior analyst. The thread with proof is euther deleted or privated sadly.

@yougonahaveanoratime9726

8 ай бұрын

@@LoisoPondohva Yeah, I remember something like that as well

@danielfreyschuss5413

8 ай бұрын

@@tiagomonteiro130 dont be to suprised know of a guy in the us military that thinks its not a warcrime to shot people that are unable to fight back

Arjun Saga part 2 is on 😎😎

@geesehoward700

8 ай бұрын

I hope KZread just turns into red, LP and chieftain just saying nothing about a tank that doesn't even exist

@bigchungus6320

8 ай бұрын

@@geesehoward700 if you really think the T14 Armata doesn’t exist then you’re either blind or wilfully ignorant

@Lon3wolf13

8 ай бұрын

Was about to say that!😂😂😂

«Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It» - George Bernard Shaw, probably. 09:53 - LazerPig is a Ukrainian propagandist. After this information, it is pointless to have a discussion with him.

I find it rich that Lazerpig accuses someone else of making clickbait thumbnails. It looks to me that most if not all of his videos (especially those relating to the war in Ukraine) have clickbait thumbnails and clickbait titles. I have to also admit that I just don't like his persona and his content. I have no rational explanation for why, I just know that his voice physically grates on me and I have trouble listening to his videos because of it.

@Dastardly1

8 ай бұрын

I find his stupid voice insufferable. I've heard others call it "confident" but he just sounds like a smarmy little dork to me

The most frustrating part of this whole situation is the fact that even in Laser pigs second response he is still talking down to Red like he is a pro Russian propagandist who is trying to cover up all the flaws with Russian equipment and claim they are the best. Anyone who watches any of red's videos about modern Russian tanks will know that every single one has a pathetically slow reverse speed compared to almost all western tanks, and that this is a major weakness because the tank has to turn around when fleeing artillery or other danger and expose the weakest point of its armor EVERY TIME. He even showed a video of a t90 m trying to reverse to escape an artillery barrage, go about walking speed, then give up and turn around to flee. He's also showed some of the first footage of the interior of a new production t90 m that confirmed that even the most capable tank they field has one reverse gear, meaning Russia has no tank models in service right now that don't have that weakness. I didn't know any of that, but i got 100% of that information FROM REDEFFECT. If he's a propagandist then he's absolutely terrible because he put out the most easy to understand information proving that a tank has a massive weakness, how severe that weakness is, and even showed footage of that weakness in action. HOW IS IT PROPAGANDA IF YOU'RE POINTING OUT DANGEROUSLY SIMPLE FLAWS TO EXPLOIT ABOUT YOUR OWN TANKS??? Lazeroig is acting like Red is defending the honor of the T14 and all Russian tanks with bad information and faulty Logic, but it was bad information and faulty logic that got Red to make the response video in the first place. Red didn't respond to the T14 video because he has a vested interest in how the tank is viewed by the public, he did the response video because the information and logic Lazerpig used was mostly pretty flawed. There are enough problems to laugh at the T14 for already. I've watched both channels for years, but Lazerpig is completely out of line here. He's fallen back on belittling red's intellectual integrity and created a strawman of red being a blindly pro Russia shill because he doesn't know how to take the loss and admit some parts were a mistake. He constantly claimed red overlooked or didn't understand things that, if he actually watched his other videos, you would know that he absolutely did understand. It's extremely disappointing to find out this this is how Lazerpig handles mistakes, he takes the massive influence of his pro Ukrainian audience and tries to sic it on someone by accusing him of being a propagandist. Fortunately red and Lazerpig should have considerable audience overlay (both being largely military vehicle channels) and anyone who watches both will immediately see that Lazerpig is out of his depth here and know that red is critical of any tank he finds issues with, so not blindly pro anything. I don't get the feeling that much of Lazerpigs audience is going to keep backing him on this, and with 2 response videos on either side I feel like a lot of people will be curious enough to see what red is about too, so maybe the silver lining in all this is Red getting a bunch of tank enthusiasts coming to his channel, sort of a consolation prize he gets even if Lazerpig refuses to leave it be. Hopefully this can be the end because at this point Lazerpig is just trying to save face and he's starting to go from being a Pig 🐖 to just looking like an Ass🫏

@jaxonl7810

8 ай бұрын

Alright students turn in your essay

@nopaallo1147

8 ай бұрын

Well said

@TEXASRUSKI

8 ай бұрын

Bro I ain’t reading all of this 😭

@averymicrowave1713

8 ай бұрын

In retrospect it should have been kinda telling that LP and the other KZreadrs he hangs out with like Animarchy only really seemed to engage with low hanging fruit like Gonzalo Lira - that whole debate really exaggerated his image by conveniently having the pig laugh at a failed sex tourist on stream. But seeing him attack people and calling them propagandists even though they're only trying to correct his mistakes - especially because they do have an effect on his audience - is really fucking concerning. It's a shame he's becoming the arrogant, toxic e-celeb of the military enthusiast community because he definitely had a lot going for him - especially with being a somewhat liberal guy that was absolutely willing to talk shit about the Soviets instead of blindly praising them or downplaying their mistakes by pointing out American mistakes.

@Iv4Bez

8 ай бұрын

As a russian I'm actually wish that our propaganda be like that lol. Goverment-funded people are just so stupid.

T14's first kill is LazerPig's career.

@CorruptedSpider

8 ай бұрын

No it's not.

@henrypollock7987

8 ай бұрын

@@CorruptedSpiderkinda is since he’s revealed him self as a bit of a shit bloke that looks down on anyone with opposing views then plays the victim when he’s wrong

@verstappen9937

8 ай бұрын

@@CorruptedSpiderlazer pig will kill his own career by being lazer pig. He’s the worst historical/military channel on KZread, worst researched, worst quality of content, most biased.

@Donuthan

8 ай бұрын

@@Bleh426 Yeah idiotic, actually cloutchase-driven mindset right there, LP fanboys are fools that cloak themselves in smug superiority just because they don't come from Russia.

@miroslavegorov

8 ай бұрын

🤣

A lot of people here want to see them talk it out but I honestly don’t really see that as an option. Lazerpig’s response video was mainly ad hominem attacks in an attempt to ruin red’s reputation. This came out of nowhere and as red mentioned lazerpig seemed nice when he communicated with him. Lazerpig burned any bridges and potential options for a open discussion. His recent shitpost really came off as an attempt to draw away attention from the new videos from cone and red. Lazerpig is trying to de-escalate everything because it’ll be really hard for him to win a actual debate now if one happened.

@TheBigExclusive

8 ай бұрын

You pretty much nailed it. His latest video is an attempt to distract and deflect from an actual discussion. Lazerpig probably realized he was getting pounded by 2 well know war historian channels at once and is trying to change the subject with silliness.

@713Tankbuster

8 ай бұрын

Yeah yeah, you're right. Bye the way, where is the T14. It's been 9 years almost 10, and no T14.

@oliverpasztor788

8 ай бұрын

​@@TheBigExclusive3 if you count the Chieftain. Also he had a comment under that video seething about the Chieftain getting involved and not siding with him. The comment was subsequently deleted by KZread according to the Pig.

@sovietbanana4589

8 ай бұрын

@@713Tankbuster probably economic issues mixed with bureaucracy. The Russian federation has a lot of problems and the current sanctions aren’t helping them. Similar thing with the Ak-12 where it took way longer than expected to produce in numbers. They have produced a number of these tanks however production likely hasn’t been streamlined and it will take some time for large numbers to appear. I’m not gonna pretend that the current Russian government is great or super efficient because it really isn’t. However the current war is forcing the country to iron out a lot of its issues and I expect we’ll see something happen in the near future.

@tristanrouse6150

8 ай бұрын

@@oliverpasztor788 To be fair, LazerPig apologized for his comment on the Chieftain's video, saying he was drunk when he posted it.

"Just for comedic effect" As Lazerpig loves his fallacies so much, this one is called "Schrödinger's Douchebag". Saying something shitty and when you get critizised for it being wrong then flipping to "but it was just a joke"....

@Ugly_German_Truths

7 ай бұрын

LOL, Lazerpig accuses you of blindly accepting russian propaganda and then doesn't even DOUBT the story about "it was a planned simulation of a break down"... that sounds like he really is worried about propaganda... when it goes against his point. And he calls himself a professional historian? ROFLMAO.

@milan51259

7 ай бұрын

In short: bullying, propaganda tactics. RedEffect viewers want basic information on how things work. Lazerpig viewers want the propaganda they already heard to be reinforced. This is the difference between information and living in fairytale land.

@Am_Yeff

7 ай бұрын

​@@Ugly_German_Truthshe literally makes fun of that whole theory, just because you cant comprehend English doesnt make him wrong

@Spielername

7 ай бұрын

It's the same what Trump did, when he was confronted with his idea to give an infusion of anti disinfectant, to heal COVID-19 patients and he did it not only in this case (but this an example everybody knows about). Many far right party's and groups are using the same method when they are confronted with terrible things they've said...

@Spielername

7 ай бұрын

​@@milan51259It's not about living in fairytale land. I think Lazerpig knows exactly what he want to achieve and that he does make western propaganda... I also think that he has a completely different audience as Red Effect has.

Im surprised you didn't address the personal attacks more, half of his arguments against both you and cone were outright insults

@pierrecoufinn7460

8 ай бұрын

professionals have standards 🥰

@yougonahaveanoratime9726

8 ай бұрын

Honestly, with how he took the whole Lira thing I thought he wouldn't be this petty, must be another side to him I guess

@jasoncp3257

8 ай бұрын

​@@yougonahaveanoratime9726lira is obviously wrong to everyone, Red is not, because he isn't obviously wrong, as he's sometimes wrong every now and again like everyone. It's harder to defend against someone whose not always wrong, and lazer got flustered. Very flustered apparently.

@miradics3988

8 ай бұрын

To be fair cone did personaly attacked LP. I think he just got frustrated after cone of arc and just begun spitballing honestly.

@alexmaximus9134

8 ай бұрын

One of the major rules of debating is that you attack the arguments of the opposition, not the people presenting them. RedEffect displayed emotional control and maturity by only focusing on the facts and not letting those words cloud his judgement.

LP's video response was very emotional and knee-jerk in its nature, and tries to kinda smear Red to give himself some room from criticism

@kiwi4779

8 ай бұрын

He says he doesn’t care but his actions contradict his statements, he clearly does take it personally lol

@artnull13

8 ай бұрын

Oh so his primary source wasn’t a Russian blog then?

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

That's all his videos.

@jasoncp3257

8 ай бұрын

Tbh the only person who, before lazers response deserved it was cone, red was, as always very respectful.

@sullathehutt7720

8 ай бұрын

​@@artnull13 Russian blogs are markedly more accurate than Raytheon sales pitches or whatever nonsense they're cooking up over at the Institute for the Study of Cope lol 😄

19:40 it’s funny how lazerpig talked about he power to weight ratio of the tanks but completely ignored the power to weight ratio of the engines themselves.

@basharalassad1073

8 ай бұрын

lzerpg is best he got a challanger in his heart and redeffect and cone living rent free in his hollow skull

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

8 ай бұрын

Once in the tank that really no longer matters though. Once mounted to the tank the mass of the tank and engine becomes one. A lighter engine at that point only enables more other stuff to be mounted to the tank for the same total weight. Which is obviously an advantage, but the power to weight ratio of the engine itself no longer matters.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

8 ай бұрын

​@@baronvonlimbourgh1716power to weight ratio is important when on an incline. that's why India likes to use t 90 in the mountains Himalaya

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

8 ай бұрын

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa sure, but once you mount a tank to an engine the power to weight ratio of the engine no longer matters for the performance of the tank. A tank is designed towards a certain weight. 50 tonnes for example. If the engine weighs 5 tonnes the rest of the tank can weigh 45 tonnes. But if the engine weighs 1 tonne, designers simply can put on 4 additional tonnes of armor or other equipment to the tank, bringing it to the same 50 tonnes and thus the same power to weight ratio..

@RomanianReaver

8 ай бұрын

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 "but once you mount a tank to an engine the power to weight ratio of the engine no longer matters for the performance of the tank." Bad choice of words here for one simple reason: The heavier and poorer the power to weight ratio the more armor/defensive measures are sacrificed to fit the engine in. Conversely if the engine is very powerful for its tonnage range you can get away with more protection, protection measures and offensive systems. It's why the bradley's a bit arse in the offensive area while not being more durable than a BMP-3 or BMD-4 while those can mount equivalent weapons and slap a 100 mm on top.

One of my favorite KZread Historians @Drachinfel made a great point. "After wars people often like to insult the enemy and say: 'Well of course we won because the enemy is incompetent and useless and we're the best.' But what does that mean for the people on our side who died fighting against them? Were they just incompetent?"

@Fred_the_1996

3 ай бұрын

YES! I've been trying to tell people this for years!

Funny. Lazerpig says Russian sources can;t be trusted, but uses Russian sources to say that T14 is horrendous design

@DarkDragonRus

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was pointed out in this video too, among other things.

This reply will almost certainly get lost in the sea of replies, but as someone who is a bit of a Laser Pig fan I thought it be worth to chime in. LP is the one at fault in this drama for starting it, revitalizing it when was fading into his obscurity, not having any sources but lying about it in an academic discussion, plus his overall immaturity regarding the drama. While I cannot say most other LP fans are as critical towards LP's stance as I, don't get into slap fights with them. RedEffect's passivity, plus the Chieftain's clarity won me, an LP fan over. Getting in online fights will just sink you to LP's level.

@spetzo1212

8 ай бұрын

Honestly it was disappointing from LP to see that type of content. Quoting random people on the internet with no credibility, outright lying and name calling especially RE as a Russian propagandist was a new low

@nopaallo1147

8 ай бұрын

I too was an occasional viewer of LP, but in the T-14 video, there are just too much dishonesty and dollar store propaganda i couldn’t stand it

@kousand9917

8 ай бұрын

One thing I got from this whole drama is that from constant support the Pig got too egotistical. He thought of himself as too great and started getting complacent. Hopefully this brings him down a peg and he learns his lesson.

@pepperedash4424

8 ай бұрын

​@@kousand9917 I was already receiving GradeAUnderA vibes from this drama. Apologies for the dated reference.

i like how lazer pig accuses red of making russian propaganda while he himself is a full blown western propaganda channel

@definitelyfrank9341

7 ай бұрын

-who uses Russian sources.

@SimmerSommer

7 ай бұрын

red effect uses primary sources@@definitelyfrank9341

@Scyborg832

7 ай бұрын

I don't think he accused him of making propaganda. He accused him of taking Russian propaganda at face value and using that to evaluate equipment. Which is what a lot of this comments section does when they coom over Russian tanks. (Someone literally cited Russian milbloggers in one of the top comments of a previous video)

@SimmerSommer

7 ай бұрын

redeffect uses primary sources, stop D-riding LP@@Scyborg832

@definitelyfrank9341

7 ай бұрын

@@Scyborg832 And most of LazerPig's sources are Russian sources. If you watched Red's video, you would know.

11:58 that’s really a moot point because most engines nowadays can literally trace their lineages directly to late 20th century designs. That’s literally how engine designs work. It’s always been easier to build off of an existing design than a complete redesign every time you’re releasing a new engine. There’s so much differences between the V2 engine on the T34 and the T14 that saying they’re the same is just like saying the MTU engine on a leopard is just a diesel version of the Maybach v12 on a tiger.

tfw the T-14's first kill is LazerPig's career

@pokenaut7803

8 ай бұрын

Oh shit, bro, I can smell the roasted pork from here.

@-YellowFruit-

8 ай бұрын

Haha good one

@DC-it2ng

8 ай бұрын

Gentlemen, I love the smell of bacon in the morning.

@p_filippouz

8 ай бұрын

This is AWESOME I'm rolling on the floor right now

@joe61292

8 ай бұрын

T-14 bringing home the bacon.

According to lazerpig's logic all piston engines are just a modification of the Ford Model T engine. Oh, and the turbine engine of the Abrams is basically the same as the jet engine of the Me 262.

@fernandoi3389

8 ай бұрын

Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@jb76489

8 ай бұрын

Why wasn’t time trying to understand what someone else is saying when you can just make something up and claim it’s what they think. Don’t worry you look really smart right now

@user-kz2od2oe2g

7 ай бұрын

more like this is your interpretation of lazerpig's logic.

@DUKE_of_RAMBLE

7 ай бұрын

No no... The Abrams turbine is nothing more than a Hydroelectric turbine, but is using hot air from combustion, instead of water. 😏 _-LazerPig logic, probably... I dunno._

@zolikoff

7 ай бұрын

@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE It's just a smaller Dutch windmill.

That's crazy to me, I've never once believed you to be biased against western tanks or favoring soviet/Russian designs. I can tell you have a lot of interest in Soviet/Russian tanks but not a favoritism. Your coverage of The Russian/Ukrainian war has been incredibly unbiased and factual, IMHO. Your criticisms of western designs seems to be based in factual concerns over known specs.

@saladbruh2625

4 ай бұрын

while the other guy lazerpig has an obvious bias

Why do i feel LazerPig response with emotional rather than logical

@divinesan7786

8 ай бұрын

@@RoysonZ he shouldn’t call himself a historian

The fact Lazerpig tweeted that red was a cool guy and started to accuse him for Russian propaganda in his response makes me kind of sad

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

Backstabber. Everything you need to know about him. He doesn't get to have a valued opinion anymore.

@jasoncp3257

8 ай бұрын

One of my friends believes stuff I call him out for, believing the wrong thing doesn't make me dislike them. He can belise red is cool, and think red is falling for propaganda

@xxxm981

8 ай бұрын

Typical leftie behaviour really.

@SAarumDoK

8 ай бұрын

The pig is two faced, that's all.@@jasoncp3257

@ishitrealbad3039

8 ай бұрын

just shows his true colours, IE he's a backstabber.

Another red effect classic

@lolasdm6959

8 ай бұрын

Classic red effect W

@liamwartz

8 ай бұрын

It is indeed a W, Lp(Capital L is intentional) wants to continue and now become the coneofarc and toss out insults.. we shut him up :D

@flanfre_skarlett

8 ай бұрын

And that comes from Saint Javelin lmao

@javelinanti-airandanti-tan6276

8 ай бұрын

@@flanfre_skarlett I'm hungry the T-72's aren't filling enough :(

Lessoned learned LP isn't a tank expert.

It seems lazerpig is high on himself. Keep up the good work Red

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

8 ай бұрын

lazerpig uses too much weed when making videos

@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744

8 ай бұрын

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa lazerpig is just your classic westoid

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 ай бұрын

He also loves men so no surprises there

@monkofdarktimes

7 ай бұрын

LP has some funds from the government

@AgentK-im8ke

3 ай бұрын

@@just_a_turtle_chad that doesn't have anything to do with this actually

Why was Lazerpig so disrespectful the entire time, like genuinely making insulting noises and taking no responsibility for his actual mistakes, purposefully being manipulative to paint himself better, it's the kind of argument tactic children use. Ignore what he can't defend like it isn't there, hyperfocus on points he can defend but still be manipulative with them and making fun of the response by making noises and lying 😭 (Please stop arguing in the replies, you can't defend Lazerpig being mean and gaslighting while red was only nice)

@slimdiddyd

8 ай бұрын

He’s a sodomite and a lolcow. That’s the only explanation required.

@imightbearacist6613

8 ай бұрын

Because he's british

@UpToDateMeme

8 ай бұрын

@@imightbearacist6613 I'm British, were mean in a sarcastic way, this guy is just a prick. But yeah you're probably right actually 😂

@korana6308

8 ай бұрын

Because he is exactly that type of a person.

@simonschneider5913

8 ай бұрын

its hard being a nato-fanboy these days...

I think a tank engine history video would be really interesting to see, its certainly not something that is covered very often that's for sure. How long such a video would be with all of the variants/upgrades is something else. I would be intrigued to know what the difference is between a super charger and a turbo charger on a tank engine? In simplistic terms at least, since I am certainly no engineer by any regards. Keep up your great work on your videos as I really appreciate them and the effort that you put into them as well.

@georgekordalis5465

8 ай бұрын

Turbo charger works with air that comes from moving (its round with a fan in the middle that spins from the air and creates power). A super charger takes power from the engine not the air. I think thats the difference ( its the same.about cars). If you want more information i suggest you wacht a video😅

@RedEffectChannel

8 ай бұрын

Yes it would be a long video, and kind of boring. But I have gathered a lot of information about them while doing research for this video that I can make such video, if enough people request it. Turbocharger uses the energy from the exhaust to power itself, while supercharger uses mechanical parts of the engine (like spinning of the crankshaft). That is why V-92S2F (turbocharged) has two large pipes on each side of the engine.

@City1Tiger

8 ай бұрын

@@RedEffectChannel Your better then lazerham

@georgekordalis5465

8 ай бұрын

@@RedEffectChannel well since you already did the research...

@CS_Uravity_PRO

8 ай бұрын

​@@RedEffectChannelI'd love to see a video on the V2's history. As well as other tank engines. Engines are often overlooked in tanks and unrightfully so.

Sometimes people can be blind to information they don't want to hear or believe. It takes time for everything to soak in unfortunately and it is on the timetable of the person that you try to talk to. Sometimes people are incredibly patriotic and believe the country is the best in the world I'm sure it happens everywhere in this world. I believe in your content thank you for spreading the word

@713Tankbuster

8 ай бұрын

Ok, but where's the T14. I'm soaking it in knowing it's not on the battlefield.

@DefinitelyNotEmma

8 ай бұрын

@@713Tankbuster Why should the Russians deploy pre-production tanks that don't have entered service yet? Where is the B-21 in USAFs service? Same argument, makes just as little sense.

@713Tankbuster

8 ай бұрын

@DefinitelyNotEmma No. The difference between the B21 and the T14 is well see the B21 in service at some point. Just like the SU57. It's not going anywhere except a museum.

@DefinitelyNotEmma

8 ай бұрын

@@713Tankbuster Debatable. The US claims to procure at least 100 B-21. Similar to how they claimed they'd procure dozens of B-2s just to end up with roughly 20 of those. Or the Zumwalts lmao. Planned to replace all of the beloved Arleigh-Burkes just to only end up with 3 Units, two build so far and only one operational (excluding the two guns that don't have ammunition). So no, it's not a guarantee, and don't act like it is. The F-22 was a similar failure, with around 187 Units in service of which only half is combat ready. Intended to replace the F-15 one-to-one just to be canceled and the F-15 being produced today to replace individual F-22s (F-15EX) As for the Su-57, it suffers from similar circumstances, but it is in production and active service, just at the end of last year the Russians received a new batch.

@713Tankbuster

8 ай бұрын

@DefinitelyNotEmma You don't need a B2 stealth bomber to blow up terrorists. That's why the airforce stopped procurring not at all dealing with the aircraft itself. And calling 190 fifth generation stealth figthers as a failure is rich. I see you omitted the 600+ F35s for some strange reasons. Why would someone do that?

Lazerpig's conduct with this situation has been quite unprofessional, but I generally wanted to wait for this video before being sure. He really is not good at taking criticism, and is the first one to lash out against any criticism as a personal attack, as can be seen with his reply to Chieftain video. The main problem with him seems to be that he is motivated by believing himself to be on an ideological mission, so ends justify means if it means Ukrainian victory, "Crude Russian junk" is not just ignorant remark, it is valuable ideological ammunition in struggle against russian aggression... On like [Platform formely known as Twitter] and Reddit... Truly the most important front.

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 ай бұрын

He's just following the NAFO trend of disliking anything Russian

@railroading5726

8 ай бұрын

LazerPig is a self-admitted Ukrainian propagandist, and thinks his lies are noble lies lest his audience learn the deadly truth!

@TheArsenalgunner28

8 ай бұрын

I’ll be honest, I’m very much ‘anti regime’ of the current Russian hierarchy…but that doesn’t mean I will gobble up everything I’m told about Russia or any country for that matter. With all that said, LaserPig ultimately comes off as ‘how my commentary sounds’ rather than ‘what my commentary actually says’. He sounds like he’s saying a lot, it sounds knowledgeable and studied but it isn’t as informative as a 1 hour long video SHOULD be. He sounds very self defensive, very reactionary, and hostile when he is criticised and his response video came across as manipulative and victimising. I only started watching him a short while ago but his constant emotional responses (as well as the expose that Red Effect has done here) has damaged his credibility beyond repair for me. He just comes across as someone who likes to unapologetically shoots his mouth off because it’s fun but gets highly offended when someone challenges his statements.

@Bruno-ec8ft

8 ай бұрын

It even devalues the accomplishments of the Ukrainian armed forces because they repelled Putin army largely with older soviet weapons. Newer European weapons are only drip fed to specific units. If they sucked that much the Russians would have already won.

@Dastardly1

8 ай бұрын

The hilarious part to me, is that these liberals who spread anti-Russian propaganda and smear anything and everything Russian aren't actually helping Ukraine at all. You can't win a war by lying on the Internet the most. Russia is still invariably going to achieve success, and when there are scrapyards full of burnt out NATO material and vast tracts of Ukrainian graves, liberals in the West will scratch their head, shrug, and disregard it.

LazerPig's videos can be summed up as him basically saying, "NuH uH!" In an hour

@MRtapio5

8 ай бұрын

U defently don't watch his videos😅

@TheFalconerz

8 ай бұрын

Nuh uh

Im western and a former tanker. I have to side with old red on this one.

The problem is LP is a ww2 tank nerd trying to be a modern tank nerd

I cant really blame Lazerpig for saying biased things since if he told the truth, people would stop buying his mercs

@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145

8 ай бұрын

Mercs or merch? I'm not familiar with his side hustle. Is that war thunder vernacular?

@m.tsconventionals5082

8 ай бұрын

@@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145 merch* whoopsies my keyboard dont always work

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

8 ай бұрын

Lazerpig is a mercedes salesman? The more you know...

@nicholasv.i.d.4416

7 ай бұрын

people buy his merch? LMAO

@CountSpartula

6 ай бұрын

@@nicholasv.i.d.4416 Apparently, I guess some people just don't have taste.

LP fans trying to shoot this down is wild.

@xAlexTobiasxB

8 ай бұрын

where?

@MuhammadAli-255

8 ай бұрын

@@xAlexTobiasxBhis subreddit

@Underb00t

8 ай бұрын

@@MuhammadAli-255sounds like a wonderful place /s

Lazerpig isn't someone to be taken seriously. He is so deep into his own sides propaganda that he freaks out when anyone with a non-Western accent dares speak.

@maxfaberg128

8 ай бұрын

liberal style of racism is very very weird.

@epg9274

8 ай бұрын

@@maxfaberg128this kind of racism is really quite strange isn’t it. I find that kind as well as the really rather creepy “I love my people we are the best my race must be increased in number so have lots of (x) children” rather distasteful. I don’t have any problems with the other kind the “ I just really hate black people just can’t stand them” or the “I think we need to genocide the people of Scandinavia” or the “people not of the primary demographic of this contrary should not be allowed to move here as they are usually not compatible” that latter sort of racism is find in my opinion.

@epg9274

8 ай бұрын

Also chances of that post not being removed by KZread’s shadow banning nonsense is like 50/50 imo

@sleezerbarb9670

8 ай бұрын

His fan base is now a cult. I politely asked on a Reddit thread if he could just cite his sources and I got downvoted into oblivion.

@OryxAU

8 ай бұрын

That's a reach and disengenous. There's a lot of misinformation out there, and the Russian government being what it is, it's very reasonable to discount some Russian sources.

I do not lie. LazerPigs response, to your first response, has meant I no longer watches his content.

I think I lost a good bit of respect for Lazer after he refused to cite sources for his claims in his response video. I then lost the rest after I saw him going after the chieftain after he mildly critiqued lazer for being unprofessional. He has a very fragile ego and can't stand up to any professional critique even if it's from a peer he admires. Sorry he dragged you through the mud Red, but you've gained a new subscriber throughout all this.

That's what people like Lazerpig do. Ignore any valid argument presented and cherry-pick things for your biased narrative since your audience doesn't do their own research anyway.

@popinmo

8 ай бұрын

someone enjoys commie tanks

@Invizive

8 ай бұрын

​@@popinmocase and point

@sullathehutt7720

8 ай бұрын

​@@popinmo Someone enjoys sodomy. 🥴

@popinmo

8 ай бұрын

russian tanks are ass@@Invizive

@Invizive

8 ай бұрын

@@popinmo comparably, yes It doesn't make LP less wrong, biased and petty

I'm honestly disappointed by the way LazerPig reacted to this video as well. He might be a "historian", but he is also an absolute manchild. As someone who used to respect both channels, he finally lost that last bit of respect.

@kiankier7330

8 ай бұрын

I would not ever call him a "historian"

@tristanrouse6150

8 ай бұрын

@@kiankier7330 he kind of is. I watched his response in full. It wasn't just ad hominem attacks, but had actual criticism about RedEffect's video. He even mentions the fact that he respected RedEffect and wanted to make an in-depth video with him about the T-14

@nopaallo1147

8 ай бұрын

if a “historian” is someone that refuses to cite his sources, i too am a historian. source? myself.😎

@user-dp4ok9ox5w

8 ай бұрын

LazerPig is not a "historian". He is a bigoted Russophobe and a smearmerchant.

@rasyidpangrango4690

8 ай бұрын

@@tristanrouse6150calling him historian is insult to real historian. not only he denial and bias, he also partner with a real government propaganda channel, making him a certain if not true propaganda channel.

Main thing is, LazerPig was always just only a shitposter, a thing which has more than leaked into the internet by this point instead of staying in it's own mostly separate section, and this in return ended up in being led to it clashing with serious topics grounded in actual realism. It's such a shame honestly that the Golden Age of the Internet (2010-2015) has ended, otherwise none of this would've happened, and we wouldn't see the vast expansion and over-proliferation of banter culture on the internet. You didn't deserve this RedEffect. I have great appreciation for the content that you make. Owning actual books and talking to tank crew members in person. Now THAT's dedication right there. Don't allow any of those cancer culture shits to impede you.

@baileypryke3191

8 ай бұрын

No one’s trying to cancel redeffect for his video but he can have valid criticism held against him just like Lazerpig I think you’ve missed that. Also although Lazerpig adds comedy to his videos it’s for engagements sake not because he’s a shit poster. Ultimately Lazerpig is right though the T14 is a hot pile of wank while red has some goods points to the contrary it still doesn’t disprove that the tank is outdated by modern standards

@Alex_Guy1011

8 ай бұрын

​@@baileypryke3191 The word "cancer" refers to a whole another group of people compared to "cancel". Someone can only toxically insult the other so much in an effort of forced assimilation until the targeted person who's the victim of such trolling can not even tell what banter is anymore, or the thin line that separates it. We are all fully aware that the Armata was just a product of the Russian oligarchy, but to completely say that it's a "hot pile of wank" is a bit of a stretch. LazerPig is a comedian shitposter supported and worshipped mostly by a bunch of other political and military shitposters like him for example people from the subreddit NCD and so on, and he's not a professional analyst who owns books and speaks to veteran people, so he should stick to that and not start drama with KZreadr's who's content is vastly different and more serious rather than the type he mostly produces. The people who support and worship him also think that for some goddamn reason, meme and phonk edits are equivalent to the reality of war and military procurement, which by the way, they aren't. For example, they believe that my country, in reality raked with internal problems and an inefficient right-winger government ran mostly by anti-abortion grandpa daddies, is a superpower. I'm not making that shit up. Dozens of misleading news media articles and tabloids as well as further fuel added to the fire by Poland's chief propaganda mouthpiece state news media channel of constant foul-up's and blunders that they're unable to prevent before they happen does not help the situation. They only ever slightly need to see a small military parade and overly-ambitious military acquisitions to be ecstatic about their made-up fanfiction. In reality, the purchases that Poland's government made for it's military were chosen only by politicians, choosing stuff mostly for it's looks and what they think it should do, and the military meanwhile did not even have a say in any of those purchases, all of which were off the shelf. There was no prolonged negotiation, no planning, and no prior thought put into it before buying. The Right-wingers made those purchases without taking systems of support and exploitation into account. That means a lack of spare parts, maintenance facilities, storage hangars, and overall support and servicing (logically and logistically). Which translates to that if any of those tanks, aircraft and artillery breaks down, have malfunctions or faults, then all of those fancy newly-bought vehicles will just sit and rot away in rusted post-Soviet warehouses. All of what the Ministry of National Defense had spent it's money on away into shit without any prior consideration and preliminary planning was not even tested. But that's not even the problem, because the core problem lies within the base armed forces, already neglected by the ideologically-directed governments in the past from the 1990's to today. Soldiers in the professional and the recent voluntary compulsory militaries are mostly being given out obsolete equipment and uniforms from the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's instead of a soldier walking into a supply store and being issued brand newest up-to-date boots and uniforms. Instead you get poor-quality boots which in a short time period wear themselves out to the point of no longer being usable, older webbing kits and backpacks from the 1970's and 1980's a. la Polish People's Army-style well-renown for being tight and uncomfortable, obsolescent quilt jackets that hold in water instead of repelling it, and they don't even issue you brand-new sleeping bags, foldable camping tents, combat knives/bayonets, flashlights, lighters or compasses, because guess what? The military, the government, the Ministry of National Defense and technically the entire military department forces you to buy that stuff all by yourself instead of already issuing it to you, from just pennies-worth of pocket money called "uniform allowance" which wouldn't even be enough to buy all of that stuff instead of properly ensuring the soldier, or like, you know, any real fucking actual human Western-aligned military elsewhere in the entire world, issuing it to the soldier right away once he steps in and arrives to his mechanized infantry unit's headquarters.

@eliasziad7864

8 ай бұрын

The tank is absolutely not outdated lol. I sense a LozerPigster fan here.@@baileypryke3191

@SangiinKherem

8 ай бұрын

@@baileypryke3191 How is Lazerpig right when all the points he made in his video are made up, portrayed wrong, propaganda or just slander againt red effect saying he fell for Russian propaganda lol

@Alex_Guy1011

8 ай бұрын

Oh, and talking about mechanized infantry, most of which are still driving around and breaking their backs in this depression and suicide-encouraging of a pathetic excuse for a military force with over 1,000 obsolete 1960's-Era coffin BMP-1 IFV's, around 100 of which were already given away to Ukraine, but the problems don't stop there. You would figure that our new modern Patria IFV's would replace all BMP-1's currently used in the Polish Land Forces, but not at all. In fact, most of these are only on disposition for only a few mechanized infantry brigades, and for brand new soldiers and recruits who expect to buy this Right-wing propaganda facade of being issued a brand new MSBS Grot assault rifle, being kitted out like some high-tech operators that you see in most of those propaganda NATO-Warwave videos once they arrive to their respective unit, they will be in for quite a dissapointment. More on the Patria's though. Poland as a result of introducing extreme budget cuts and continuing to downsize it's military after 1990 under Lech Wałęsa was destined to eventually become mostly a peacekeeping-size and overseas mission-going only military force, buying only some modern and licensed equipment in limited quantities just for the purpose of maintaining this self-image of a "strong and powerful military capable of defending the entire country and fully staying up to it's commitments to NATO" just to send off troops on useless missions and such, and this happened for over a decade. Things got only even worse when the rebranded Communists under the Social Democratic "Democratic Left Alliance" party under Aleksander Kwaśniewski took over in 1995, "legally" ousting Lech Wałęsa's inefficient and even chaotic governments through presidential election, where essentially, the Round Table Agreements of 1989 came back to bite Wałęsa in the ass, who was mostly focused on his self-image of an everyday man instead of practical responsibilities and role of a president. Solidarity, instead of removing Communism completely from power like in most countries and lustrating (purging) Communism from all aspects of Polish life like Jan Olszewski's cabinet wanted to (mind you a very influential individual in Polish politics, he knew the real corrupt shit that was going on and tried his best to fix it, but his cabinet was ultimately removed from power by Wałęsa through a non-Democratic vote of no confidence due to lack of unified support for his goverment), rather decided to make peace with said Communists and allow them to return to power under a new brand after 1989 and then seize total power in 1995. The SLD party was very corrupt, and especially wanted to take away all funding (military and non-military) for anything it saw as unnecessary and instead funnel it all off towards public spending on useless shit like more trash bins and bus stops. Take the Gawron-class corvette program for example, where just a year after construction for 7 corvettes was approved, the Ministry of National Defense under orders from the corrupt SLD government decided to immediately reduce, defund and then cancel the program altogether and limit construction to just 1 vessel, a single unfinished hull which just sat and rotted in drydock for 14 years and it's costs to fully complete and equip it ballooned due to the lack of funding as the country saw the SLD lose favor out of power after a corruption scandal and the change through 3 subsequent governments: Right-wing in 2005, Liberal in 2010 (or 2007 when Donald Tusk became Prime Minister) and then finally Right-wing again in 2015 who finally, without any knowledge of what clusterfuck went on prior had the audacity to launch and complete this single hull as Poland's ONLY modern pathetic warship. Since 2005 under the Right-wingers, the Polish military wasn't any better either. Besides some minor acquisitions like the Peace Sky Program in 2006 where the politicians bought around only 48 F-16's and around some 200 AIM-120C AAMRAM missiles without further consideration of further increasing the number of jets, missiles and logistical equipment (the numbers haven't pretty much changed since then), the Polish Armed Forces still mostly remained this perpetual self-fueling cycle of a peacekeeper mission-going, mandatory conscription, depression, suicide, dedovschina, logistical and logical clusterfuck-ridden shithole ideologically-directed and unnoticeably badly influenced by party government leadership without any significant military, procurement, systematic replacement/mass-production of new hardware and so on. After 2007 and the Smolensk air crash in 2010 where majority of the Right-wingers' most influential government and it's officials ended up dying as a result of the incompetence and sheer training and VIP aviation errors intensified within the entirety of the Polish military in the past few years, and the subsequent vastly neo-Liberal sweeping of the plane crash under the rug and the then politics of reset with Russia that followed, the Polish Armed Forces took an even bigger hit. Much like most of Poland's ideologically-directed party governments throughout the years, the Liberals also had their own opinion about the military, but just as bad is what they wanted to turn Poland into, the effects of which are still affecting us all to this very day, regardless of anybody's political alignment, opinion or which party they preferrably support today. Immediately after they took power, Donald Tusk swore to make Poland into his own Liberal paradise subject only to the EU's commands from Brussels, he started that in 2010 he boasted that he would reduce and cut all taxes and make life for the middle class and poor much easier, but instead he and his goverrnment changed his views, instantly raised them to the max, introduced a shit-ton of tarrifs, excise and taxes on goods such as diesel oil, alcohol, tobacco, coal, sugar and so on, and eliminated many tax exemptions, a strategy now adopted in recent times by Mateusz Morawiecki, but that's not even more. As a result of the Civic Platform's rise to power, the nepotism and cronyism only grew even more, thus preventing the average Polish citizen middle class, who were mostly already pecking away at little seeds like chickens at this point to even try to live off of something, from even obtaining higher paying jobs, and this was not even further helped by the fact that Donald Tusk and his goverments refused to even raise the monthly lowest average minimum wage per capita or introduce any sort of social welfare programs to help, instead being like "Nah, fuck it. You're having problems? You're on your own, buddy. We won't give a fuck if the riot police SWAT-raids your house one day because you couldn't pay off the family's debt, problems with which were exaggerated further by us and you land in a mental asylum because of us after all we did." In short: the Liberal goverments of Donald Tusk, in a sterotypically corporate move which is much more prevalent nowadays than it was back then, initially promised paradise, only to move away from it and make life in Poland total suffering during his tenure in power. But more on what they did to the military. In compliance with the Civic Platform's brand-new politics of reset, the Ministry of National Defense, as ordered by Donald Tusk's governments, began dissolving and liquidating several mechanized infantry and tank divisions on the country's Eastern flank, abolishing dozens of military units, offices and postings across the country, which downsized the military even further, and then sent away the leftover equipment from those liquidated military units deemed as "unnecessary" to rot in post Soviet-Era warehouses, including the still relatively-modern Leopard 2 tanks which by the way were received for free from Germany through a peace dividend. This shitshow went on for about quite a while for 5 years until the Right-wingers took power again, when in Late 2014 Donald Tusk left his post of Prime Minister of Poland to instead become President of the European Council in December of 2014, and that was the lucky break for the Right-wingers, now or never to reverse all the damage that he has caused, or so i that's what i initially thought as a kid what the Right-wingers were there for. Boy, i couldn't have been far more wrong. With the perverted National Conservative Right-wing and it's perverted values came it's own problems, from wanting to ban abortion, turn Poland into a Traditionalist Catholic Fascist state similar to Orban's Hungary (as they both were and still are very close autocratic-in common allies), crack down on LGBT rights, drastically ramp up taxes, vastly increase deficit and government spending on rewards for politicians, ruling Right-wing aligned organizations, funding the state news media channel and so on (all of these things combined would end up with Poland spiralling into economic inflation problems before COVID-19 and the Russian Invasion of Ukraine), and so much more problems that i would rather not list here because my comment is already THAT long. I'm very sorry about my mostly gone-political rambling here, but i couldn't help it and decided to give some wisdom on what has actually happened with Poland in the last few decades, and because i need to make this right. Main point is: Due to all of those factors that i had mentioned, any attempt at Polish military mobilization under the current governments to meet Russian aggression in the future will be disasterous. So much for this facade and self-image rather than an actual practical military.

I really don't understand all the semantics about the engine. Even if the original version was built 80 years ago, it doesn't really have any effect on the performance of new engines built in the modern day, provided they have been modified along with advancements in technology. For example, the "small block" Chevrolet motor was first developed in the very early 1950's. Through various iterations and designs, including different bore spacings and displacements, it has been changed into some pretty cool stuff, including the famous LS and LT series of engines. However, all of these engines are still a cam in block, pushrod, motor with 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order, a cross plane crankshaft, and non-canted valves (a design specific to the previous "big block" Chevy motors). It seems that the exact same process has occurred, at least in some way, with the 12 cylinder design that is discussed in the video. It's nothing new or even rare in motor design, usually a solid and reliable power plant will be used for quite a long period of time. I don't have a horse in this race, but it seems to me that Lazerpig was very keen to talk shit about engines without being very knowledgeable on them at all. To go back to my example, it's like he looked at a new Corvette with the latest and greatest 600hp engine and derided it because the original iteration of the design, had 85 hp.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

8 ай бұрын

It's not solid or reliable. Actual Russian telegrams have said the truth about the Armata - it's not going to show up in Ukraine because unlike Western engines crammed full of sensors and full digital control the Russian engine had to be manufactured with less digital components which means performance had to be brute-forced out of it through old design techniques. And to be able to pull the Armata the engine is strained to get the necessary performance which decreases reliability.

@haroldburrow4363

8 ай бұрын

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD i don't think you understand the factors that contribute to the total power a diesel engine produces. They are: displacement, air flow, compression, turbo boost, and exhaust back pressure. To make an engine of this size (32 liters!) Make a few thousand ft/lbs of torque only requires a good set of fuel injectors and some big turbos, both of which are reqdily available in industrial equipment. To be honest, I don't know anything about the reliability of any 12 cylinder X-engine, let alone this one. But I am hearing a lot of talk with little explanation. What is the power to weight ratio, fuel consumption per hour, total power production, and reliability like of this engine? Since you seem to know, I am actually quite interested to hear.

@nutpero6201

8 ай бұрын

@@haroldburrow4363 Well dont listen to the talk. Next to nothing is actually known abt any of the X layout Russian engines other then their names and maybe some pattent drawings. Actual performance and or how reliable they are is not known.

@jamesmandahl444

8 ай бұрын

@ChucksSEADnDEAD Have not seen any sources discuss anything you are saying.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

8 ай бұрын

@@haroldburrow4363 If you want boost, you have to prevent knock. You need an ignition timing map.

Never has so much been said about a vehicle that has been produced in such small numbers.

@u2beuser714

8 ай бұрын

Then dont lie about them, or say "Im not sure" dont make outlandish claims , its that simple

@zadovrus1624

8 ай бұрын

Su-57

@xx_lightning_xx5781

8 ай бұрын

You just copied that comment word for word

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 ай бұрын

​@@xx_lightning_xx5781🗿

@globalcitizen8321

8 ай бұрын

@@u2beuser714 i Guess you're referring to the Lazer pig guy, not the person who wrote the first comment in this treat.

I fucking love Red Effect, the fact that he owns tank manuals says a lot on his reliability. The fact that Lazerpig thinks that all soviet sources are unreliable just shows how biased he is.

@MidiX2

8 ай бұрын

Typical Indoctrinated and Capitalist Idealogical Response of Lazerpig when you ask me. Even saying one think like " Peace and than preaping for war in the back like USA whit China right now" You can not trust the West and for that all people in it becouse they are Investet in it.

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but if the manuals are in Russian they're automatically bad right?

@giladpellaeon3664

8 ай бұрын

Actually LazerPig may be part of a group called NAFO, an online group founded by a Polish antisemite. NAFOs are often extremely biased and sometimes even genocidal towards Russians(sometimes not just Russians but also Chinese, Arabs and basically everyone not from the West) in general. Furthermore, in one of his recent videos, he admitted that he is officially part of Ukrainian Propaganda(kzread.info/dash/bejne/aIWntNeah9XZf5s.html)I am not surprised if he is biased towards Russian or USSR sources

@nagantm441

8 ай бұрын

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 yeah you can't trust the people at all who actually designed and built the vehicles.

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

@@nagantm441 Obviously not. They have to be verified by NATO first.

Laser pigs brain is a copy of the Porsche tigers engine

@ViinnySMT

8 ай бұрын

laser pigs weight is the same as the porsche tigers engine

@lucks4fools978

8 ай бұрын

That’s insulting to the Porsche tiger, being lumped in together with Lazer Pig. At least the Porsche Tiger can admit they’re a failure

@silos4783

Ай бұрын

LMAO HAHAHAHA

Lazerpig just sounds like your average British imperialist if I'm to be honest.

My sole critique of your channel has always been how short your videos are, therefore I love the length of this video. LazerPig is a self-righteous drama queen so I’m sorry that you had to take your time to respond to him.

@tristanstebbens1358

8 ай бұрын

I mean you could kinda just immediately tell from the way LazerPig talks in his videos. Always with a very clear proactive emotional investment over something he has relatively little knowledge about, likely never will for another decade, and also for no reason. Like sure, lambast the product for its potential flaws, but the majority of his videos are just poor emotional jokes at russia rather than actual facts. (That and he openly discredits information based on the fact it has any sort of association to russian sources which isn't how you should approach such a topic)

@bombfog1

8 ай бұрын

@@tristanstebbens1358 Very well said.

@pheonixshaman

8 ай бұрын

@@tristanstebbens1358 Sadly, many popular history and equipment review channels come at a topic with a clear emotional/factional bias. It is why we should value channels like RE all the more.

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

@@tristanstebbens1358 If someone is making every point mockingly then you know they've got something to hide.

@lvanvan

8 ай бұрын

so true

LazerPig is ideologically driven, you can see it plainly. That is my biggest issue with him, he reacts almost emotionally about the whole thing. RedEffect did a great job dismantling his arguments, with no undercutting or clouded claims. Good job.

@GeraltofRivia22

8 ай бұрын

You don't need to see it, he clearly tells you himself. Literally calls himself a Ukrainian propagandist.

@zolikoff

8 ай бұрын

The way he automatically accuses all of his critics of "doing it just for internet clout" is also obvious projection. He's probably thinking that if that's why he does it himself, everyone else must be doing it for the same reason. RedEffect's video is nothing but respectful and honest, but LP is like "you're being disingenuous" for the simple reason that he himself is that.

@Vostok7789

8 ай бұрын

The worst part is he thinks himself an actual historian.

SHOIGUU! WHERE IS MY ARMATA IN WAR THUNDER !?

Anyone who thinks LazerPig isn't an absolute homer and propagandist, probably got everything they know about tanks from LazerPig.

@gamerfan8445

8 ай бұрын

And you get your information from Red effect

@alkarinv1192

8 ай бұрын

@@gamerfan8445 you'd be surprised what you can learn about Soviet doctrine and equipment from reading official papers and research by the US Military online. They actually do a good job not bullshitting you cause the US military takes their opponents seriously. You obviously haven't looked yourself.

@gamerfan8445

8 ай бұрын

@@alkarinv1192 yet it failed Russia.

@Giganibba511

8 ай бұрын

@@gamerfan8445 average lazerpig fan :

@gamerfan8445

8 ай бұрын

@@Giganibba511 you realize I don’t just watch Lazerpig, I also watch ConeofArc, and many more channels. Listening to one channel is a idiot move, listening to multiple channels can paint a better picture on stuff.

It's funny how much conflict has been generated over a tank model with only ~10 in existence and not used in war despite its producer being involved in one where thousand of tanks are used

@just_a_turtle_chad

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, Lazerpig should talk about the failed Zaporozhye offensive by Elensky

@mosseon3456

8 ай бұрын

the tank community is a neat one, don't care about the flags, it's all about the hardware.

@u2beuser714

8 ай бұрын

​@@mosseon3456 Abrams vs T-90 fan vs All tanks are beautiful enjoyer

@elaqgarahulelpon1479

8 ай бұрын

@@u2beuser714 Listen, all I'm saying is that if any tank was turned into a women, they would be incredibly hot. But the Bob Semple would be the hottest, no contest.

@ntks6720

8 ай бұрын

​@@just_a_turtle_chadfailed ? Like Russian kupiansk offensive?

LazerPig is just a dude with a massive ego and can't stand when he's called out lmao

@HeavenlyMandate

8 ай бұрын

He's a NAFO member lol what do you expect? He hangsout with a bunch of jobless people making memes about Ukraine

@artnull13

8 ай бұрын

Sounds like redeffect as well tbh - making a longer video in response 😂 What a loser.

@kieffer9705

8 ай бұрын

​@@artnull13 It's not bad cuz they're both milking each other effectively by doing a response about a response...

@ntks6720

8 ай бұрын

​@@HeavenlyMandateNafo triggered you 🤡😂

@ntks6720

8 ай бұрын

​@@HeavenlyMandatestart joining storm z ?

I really, really enjoyed seeing LazerPig go into full meltdown mode and even personally attacking The_Chieftain for his video. Even long time LP fans (well, the ones that aren't frothing at the mouth and follow him like a demi-god) are starting to see the reality of LP and were disgusted with his actions. Good. I hope he unravels even more.

@gerfand

8 ай бұрын

To think a KZreadr carrer would be the first thing a Tank that is not in service, killed

@DC-it2ng

8 ай бұрын

​@@gerfandPutin lives rent free in the mind of the pig.

@egirlsareruiningmylife

8 ай бұрын

What did he say about Chieftain, do you know? I couldn't make it through much of LP's video lol

@matchesburn

8 ай бұрын

@@egirlsareruiningmylife He replied to the Chieftain's video basically saying how unfair it was that Chieftain singled him out and blamed him (when that didn't happen) and basically whinged on how Chieftain was causing further drama. The Chieftain replied with a very respectful and diplomatic reply and LP responded sarcastically "Thanks dad". Then about 24 hours later the comment, which Chieftain had pinned, was deleted. Almost certainly because LP was doing damage control when what he said didn't go over as well as he thought it would. Even his hardcore fans were calling him out in the comments.

@egirlsareruiningmylife

8 ай бұрын

@@matchesburn what a pillock

Let me try use lazerpigs argument in a slightly different format. "The engine on most modern tanks uses a series expansion chambers, that cyclicly compress and auto ignite a fuel and air. Therefore they are basically all fundamentally the same as the first Motor 250/400 diseal engine built by Rudolf Diseal in 1896, which only had 17HP and horrific reliability issues (almost killed diseal engine concept entirely). IMAGINE building tanks around an engine that ancient and pathetic. " From lazerpigs logic in 16:20 that the technology has already reached the limit of from upgrades and refinement (which is partially true). Thus all diseal engines is not that better the Motor 250/400 that Rudolf Diseal made in the 1800s (which is a massive stretch).

Either this can be resolved quickly or spiral down into debates.

@dialectics7097

8 ай бұрын

Rooting for the latter tbh

@Diego-zz1df

8 ай бұрын

KZread: "SPI-RAL! SPI-RAL! SPI-RAL!"

@crforfreedom7407

8 ай бұрын

It's simple. If the head and block is the same , it's the same engine regardless of how it's modified: bored, or supercharged, or fuel injected, ETC.

@crforfreedom7407

8 ай бұрын

I can take a Chevy 350 engine and modify it to make 550hp. But it's still called a 350. Why? Because the heads and block, modified or not, are the same.

@iamt_tl

8 ай бұрын

@@crforfreedom7407 technically all of the cars now including tesla are using copies of engine from Ford Model 1 right? since there's a spinning shaft

I've watched LazerPig for a while but my biggest problem with him is that he doesn't provide a list of sources.

@yougonahaveanoratime9726

8 ай бұрын

YES, granted, some videos need more sauces then others, like the whole Abrams video not really needing that many by the fact of how stupid the people involved in It were, but when you make a response to someone you should point out where you get your information

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

8 ай бұрын

And when he does the sources don't say what he claimed they say. He thinks we're too stupid to verify them ourselves.

@Blakey-mw2sb

8 ай бұрын

He said he wouldn't provide any sources because we should do "our own research" 😂

@nicholaswalsh4462

8 ай бұрын

@@Blakey-mw2sb and that remains my biggest problem. He talks on and on about other people not providing sources but then refuses to provide them himself. He talks all the time about verifying information but won't do the basic level of academic housekeeping and list the sources he used to reach his conclusion.

@alexnderrrthewoke4479

8 ай бұрын

​@@nicholaswalsh4462and why you follow that stupid channel then?

I watched Lazer Pigs video about Red effect and the guy honestly sounds like he got offended or annoyed because someone provided / challenge the information he provided. I also like how red effect didn't escalate the situation and honestly doesn't care about Lazer pigs sarcasm and remarks and continued to construct a reason argument.

You can easily tell who has the much higher IQ and EQ in this "debate"...Red I hope you keep your very rational and respectful manner, I like your way of thinking, one can tell you are a very smart guy, well read and with a good character, something that is rare/or at least not common. Keep the good work up!

@azizithelethargic9229

2 ай бұрын

In KZread, drama always sell. Red is having none of it.

Red Effect has been the most neutral source for Armored vehicles in Ukraine that I've seen so far in the war in Ukraine.

@yougonahaveanoratime9726

8 ай бұрын

Yup, the only one who is as neutral as he is Perun

@Kray21728SP

8 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@SamFagundes

8 ай бұрын

then yall are not looking hard enough for credible sources lmao if red effect is the best yall have

@festungkurland9804

8 ай бұрын

@@peterangelov1174 lol wat

@mrmakhno3030

8 ай бұрын

@@peterangelov1174 pro what? This guy love Western tank af.

You know you're right when a dude who works with Ukrainian media tells you you're a Russian propagandist for saying Russian tanks are not scrap metal

@verstappen9937

8 ай бұрын

What’s so ironic about nato propaganda and troglodytes like LP is that pretty much both sides in this conflict are using the same tanks most of the time and once nato tanks showed up nothing changes and loss rates are the same in Ukraine for nato vehicles and Russian vehicles. Neither is better or worse.

@DefinitelyNotEmma

8 ай бұрын

​@@verstappen9937Both are landmine bait

@saltysalt7339

8 ай бұрын

@@verstappen9937 If that was the case desert storm would have ended differently as well. It's omega dumb to break down something so complex into something that simple. You need close air support, protection from artillery and more but neither ukraine really has in any significant numbers. Not couting the insane minefields even. When you use something that is made for another spec then sure it doesnt work as well. It's like taking a race cars to motocross.

@karakarakiri9568

8 ай бұрын

@@saltysalt7339 "desert storm" Lol. What about Syria and Yemen ? Dozen of Leopard 2 lost in only 4 hours while having total artillery and air superiority and same in Yemen for Abrams, or Iraq against the islamic state, losing lot of Abrams too. Bringuing "desert storm" just show you dont understand what you are speaking about. Immobile and entrenched chinese copies of soviet tanks in the iraqi desert with starving and battered iraqi soldiers, who were exhausted by 10 years of war, biggest war of the 20th century after the first and second GM. All of it with no air cover and support, facing the biggest military coalition since WWII (there were more planes flying overthere than there is flying in the US airforce have today). In other hand, during the Iran Iraq war, T-72 had the upper hand over western tanks. A few T-72 destroyed the bulks of Iranian M-60 and Chieftains.

@saltysalt7339

8 ай бұрын

@@karakarakiri9568 You mean the leo2 that got an rpg to their side? Yea. Big cinema advancing without infantry.

LazerPig is perfect example of what you call Hypocrite.

At 16:16 when he claims the engine is "at its limit of what it is capable of technologically through upgrades/modifications" is false for a simple reason - That's not how engines work. 40 years ago diesels were "at their limit" when they had things like manually adjusted injectors, but in the 90's when computers started to be used to regulate the pressure/amount of diesel injected into the combustion chamber the efficiency and power of the diesel engines went up. Scaling this to today you can understand that there isn't really a limit to how efficient or how powerful you can make a specific engine, as all of it relies on how much development you want to put into it. Everything from size of the chamber, compression ratio, intake air temperature, air/fuel mixture, piston stroke, etc. determines how much power an engine can produce. Not to mention all of the other varying systems like the cooling system efficiency. Therefore, how good can an engine get? We have yet to actually know. Also, how much can you change an engine before it is an entirely new engine design? - Me, an ASE certified medium/heavy diesel engine mechanic

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

8 ай бұрын

The issue is what we call "bottlenecks". There's always something limiting your performance, and adding full digital control to a very old engine design will only acomplish destruction of the engine due excess vibration, pressure/temperature, etc.

Lazerpig did seem very emotional in his responses, i just think he did not handle it well.

@byzantinehoney3384

8 ай бұрын

What do you expect from a openly homosexual man, they behave like women

@sleezerbarb9670

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. And the framing of the situation by him and his fanbase as just drama is strange. As if these topics aren't open for academic debate. The real drama is lazerpig unable to handle any criticism to his claims.

@hetzer5926

8 ай бұрын

I think it’s more because of his style of videos and less because of emotions.

@pyro1047

8 ай бұрын

I knew Lazerpig was full of shit and all about his ego when he commented on the video The Chieftan/Nicholas Moran made about this drama. Lazerpigs comment IIRC was basically claiming he'd said he just wanted the drama behind him and to move on, claimed The Chieftan knew that, and claimed he deliberately decided to shittily bring it back up, harming his mental health for easy views, and that the chieftain was shitty and low for it or something. But considering the Chieftain somehow made a neutral video on what caused the Troubles in Ireland, and was praised by both sides of that conflict for how unbiased he was and how well it easily and correctly summed up everything, I doubt anything Lazerpig claimed in that comment was based on anything more than his own bruised ego and well known narcissistic inability to admit his mistakes or his shitty behavior when challenged or corrected in his videos.

@atomicnut9591

8 ай бұрын

​@@pyro1047I was with Pig until that Cheiftain comment. Was completely unprofessional and came off as whiny. Made me rethink it a ton

I like the way red effect manages the situation. He is respectful towards laser pig and addresses the remarks given to him in a detailed manner without unnecessary sarcasm.

@izma7704

8 ай бұрын

Laser Pig was a good channel for me until his recent few vids, his T-34/Tiger vids were excellent, but now he seems to worry more about clout and views by doing totally unnecessary hot takes and being overly aggressive. His new vids like the T14 and Michael Wittmann vid are total garbage in comparison to his old stuff.

@snowball7990

8 ай бұрын

​@@Mister-Mingsays the fatass LP himself.

@w_eizenbrot3590

8 ай бұрын

​​@@Mister-Mingto be fair Everything thats not to your Liking is western propaganda and a nato supporter. So saying they do it to is kinda hypocratic

@longbowenjoyer2154

8 ай бұрын

@@Mister-Mingnice pfp, that is exactly the picture I’d expect from a tankie.

@TheSpaceBrosShow

8 ай бұрын

​@@Mister-Minghis original Moskva video had him taking a moment to remind that real people went down with the ship, people who might've not had a choice. It was a good touch

Lazerpig is so deep in the hate all Russian hole that he probably can not see the sun light

LP's last video “drama war" Just shows that he's the type of guy like "Arguing with me its pointless, I knew I was wrong 10 minutes ago, I'm just just trying to piss you off now"

@railroading5726

8 ай бұрын

ha! i was just pretending to be retarded!

@ViinnySMT

8 ай бұрын

he realised he was wrong, now he tries to downplay everything when it backfires....

@aycj2680

5 ай бұрын

It's like that meme where guy craps his pants, then when everyone is reacting as a normal person would, the guy responds with "normies can't get mu humor"