Brutal that he passed away before having a chance to reveal the arcane aspects of the Republic he hinted at it towards the end of the video. He seems like a good man who should be mourned for his own sake; selfishly, however, I am mourning a deep loss for the unique insights we will no longer receive. What a beacon of wisdom. What a light in the darkness.

@hagmatic

4 ай бұрын

He died! Rest in peace, professor.

@ThrillaWhale

2 ай бұрын

I feel exactly the same. Rip.

Thank you for your continuous analysis of the ancient wisdom, it's ever present throughout time how these themes are inherent in our perception of reality

This was a beautiful lecture, and it was really nice to have you talk about your personal experience and what it meant to you. I really appreciate that, thank you very much for what you are doing!

gave the republic a read on my 12 hour shift at work, hitting out a 2 in 1, makes the time more valuably spent

I spend alot of time on the road listening to your lectures, thank you for sharing your knowledge, some of the best content on KZread.

Michael through you the works of platonic transformation will be active within the 21st century and (hopefully) beyond… Sincerely Thank you 🙏🏼

A rock of wisdom you are for me....

Thanks again for your analysis and knowledge Dr Sugrue

What an enlightening lecture, Dr. Sugrue! Thank you for doing what you do, saying the things you say, and saying those things in the manner that you say them. You're simply magnificent!

Can’t wait to hear the mind blowing insight into book V. I’ll be ready!

Sugrue is my teacher.

Thank you teacher!

Thanks again. =)

A new consciousness. Reading Plato manifests a new consciousness when you start viewing the world with these ideas

@dr.michaelsugrue

5 ай бұрын

My work here is done.

@mega4171

5 ай бұрын

@@dr.michaelsugrue and you’re far from an awful teacher.

@drdoolittle8396

4 ай бұрын

or a very old continuation of a computation started by Socrates long ago...

19:03 the platonic virtues of wisdom courage moderation and justice, contrasted with Christian virtues of faith, hope and charity

@dr.michaelsugrue

5 ай бұрын

I like them both.

19:30 Confucius' four virtues of a Junzi (superior man) are: Kindness, Fairness, Justness, and Humbleness. The Art of War & Other Classics of Eastern Philosophy -- Canterbury Classics

Rest in peace, this loss is such a devastation to the world

If in the Homeric world the man who gets away with an injury is automatically justified in doing so, how does Plato evolve the moral imperative and argue WHY moral evaluations should be universal, applying equally to the strong and the weak. What argument does Plato have to convince the aggressor that he should subscribe to the values of the "just" man? The argument that the gods or immortals are powerful and scrutinize and punish human immorality is not an adequate explanation to induce human morality/adherence to "justice". Nor is the structure of joining together in a group (a polis) an adequate explanation for why it should replace the pyramidal structure found in the Iliad. If these are the arguments Plato rests his case on as to why justice should prevail, then it is a very weak foundation.

@rudolphbripple6733

4 ай бұрын

It’s an incredibly complex case that Socrates makes in favor of justice, and requires multiple readings of the Republic to even form a basic understanding. Even then it’s open to a vast array of interpretations. To try to put it briefly, in my incredibly limited understanding, Socrates argues that to behave justly is beneficial to the individual, and not just subservience to a higher authority. The virtues beginning with the most important are wisdom, courage, and temperance. Together these comprise an idea of justice, when brought into balance with one another, and informing each other properly. The goal is to bring one’s soul into balance, and to construct your internal kingdom, so that you may govern yourself properly with wisdom ruling as it is the ultimate form of authority because therein lies true power. Essentially, I would say that Socrates is making the argument that justice is truly good for an individual for its own sake. Socrates’s idea of freedom is self-regulated autonomy as opposed to unlimited liberty. That way, we are not a slave to our desires, but truly masters of ourselves.

Thank you!

thank you dr

46:44 I cannot tell you how much I look forward.❤

A magnificent effort.. Remarkable! Republic 5? Well..back to Bloom I crawl…

Cops and bureaucrats lived in communes, shared wives, and didn’t know which kids belonged to who? Socrates is my hero. Kidding. Sorta. Obviously, the philosopher king was constructing a bias-less bureaucracy. Or trying to. Good work, Professor. Really appreciate these lectures.

In case it's of any help to anyone, the five virtues of Confucianism are benevolence or ren (仁), righteousness or yi (义), propriety or li (理), wisdom or zhi (智) and fidelity or xin (信)

Moderation in all things - including moderation.

I love this shit

Thanks

thanks doc

Ty Dr. Sugrue ! .....Is the law of non contradiction a sufficient explanation that the soul has 3 parts and corresponds to the city's 3 parts ?

Can't wait for book 5!!!!

How come Plato describes the soul as simple and non composite in the Phaedo but then states that it has 3 parts in the Republic ?

Kindly upload more lecture of this man. ❤

@aiden0408

3 ай бұрын

He passed away 💔

Today: Republic Book 4. 0:23 Republic 4 0:38 Adeimantus *Spartan Conservative Culture* 1:26 "Look Socrates..." your rulers don't get the pleasures we do. They get a Spartan military life. 2:09 The Spartans *Aristocrats* 2:45 The Liking For Luxury, the mark of an Aristocrat. 3:37 Adeimantus wants luxuries to entice him to be a leader. 4:17 Providing Reasons why someone would like a Philosophical Regime. *Socrates Justice Regime* 4:47 + The Least Exploitative Possible Regime. 6:02 Change your pursuit! Don't pursue Bronze and Silver, Pursue Gold, Pursue Wisdom. 6:34 Knowledge and Virtue, Ignorance and Vice. *Adeimantus thinks more of Luxury and Pleasure than of Honor and Wisdom* 6:42 Adeimantus assumes the desire to a Luxurious Lifestyle is what Rulers Rule For. 7:18 (The character of the question asked may reveal the character of the question asker.) 7:50 Rulers like pleasure their power rewards them. *Favoring The Whole Society* 8:30 The closer you come to giving back to the people, the more stable the regime becomes. 9:08 Pleasure mixed with Public Acclaim 9:29 Socrates wants to create *What's Good For The Whole Society* , not for a part. + MAXIMIZE STABILITY with Optimization of Justice *It's Important To Be A Sheppard, Not a Wolf* 10:06 Those of you who are looking to enter Elite Circles, where power gets wielded and decisions get made. 10:18 The most dangerous and short-sighted thing you can do is to rip people off! 10:26 The closer you come to optimizing justice, the less hatred you create towards yourself and society. 10:36 You know what creates Marxist Revolutions? Arrogant Indifferent Rich People. 10:57 It's Important to be a sheppard, not a wolf. 11:03 Elites have to find a way to Restrain Themselves. 11:13 Powerful People restrain themselves or nobody restrains them. 11:17 Unrestrained Power generates Injustice and Hatred. 11:27 Justice AND Political Stability (Sustained/Prolonged/Long-Term/Long-Lasting Civic Order) and Individual Happiness. *Laws That The Good City Will Need* 11:46 The Virtues of a Human Being 11:53 The Laws That The Good City Will Need 11:58 Virtues, and The Relationship Between The City and The Man. _Gold_ *Wisdom* 12:50 Gold Virtue: Wisdom, True Genuine Justified Belief. 13:15 Gold Virtue: Resolute Rational Mind _Silver_ *Courage* 13:15 Heroic Homeric Silver Virtues: 14:00 The Homeric Heroes were not sufficiently rational to govern themselves. 14:16 "No man is fit to govern others until he learns to Govern Himself." 14:46 Justice, Judgement, and Self-Control 15:00 If you let yourself get out of control, the one who pays is you! _Bronze_ *Moderation* 15:20 The Bronze Appetites of The Soul: Food, Water, Shelter, Warmth, so many more. Various kinds of pleasures. At the table, in the concert hall, at the gallery. 16:41 Wisdom, Courage, Moderation. - Ex. Dealing with Alcoholism. + Moderation > Overdosing. 18:03 3 Parts of The City, 3 Parts of The Soul. 18:20 Justice = The Condition of Having an Orderly City or an Orderly Soul Governed by Rationality Spurned To Action by The Spirit. Protecting and Providing For The Appetites. 18:55 So these 3 Virtues turn out to be 4 Virtues Faith Hope Charity Wisdom Courage Moderation and Justice. 19:42 We only choose what is Evil out of ignorance of what is Truly Good. 20:03 Virtues, Micro-Macro Scale. *How do Regimes Fall Apart?* 20:27 21:27 Shapes don't undergo any change, they are Perfect. They do not change. 21:48 If a Perfect thing changes, it becomes imperfect. If an Imperfect thing became Perfect, how did it do that? *Dialectic, Socratic Teaching* 22:32 The Improvement of Human Beings through Dialectic. 23:10 Why do they think that way? (Why does this person I'm talking to think that way?) *Five Kinds of Regimes* 23:31 The Degenerate Regimes are connected with kinds of Human Psyche. 25:16 (1) The Philosophical Regime [Socrates] + Wisdom, + Self-Control (2) The Honorable Timocratic Regime [Achilles] + Honor, + Bravery, The Greatness of Your Deeds. + Glory + Ambition 27:20 (3) The Aristocratic/Oligarchic Regime [Louis XV] - Luxury - Pleasure 28:18 (4) The Democratic/Freedom and Equality Regime [Periclean Athens] - Ever changing - They don't know what they want - illogical pattern 33:45 (5) The Regime of The Tyrant - Acquisition of Power, *Gold, Silver, Bronze, Matrix.* 29:57 Virtue, Soul, City. 30:15 Gold, Silver, Bronze. 30:52 6 Possible Permutations. 32:00 -Gold Bronze Silver- doesn't exist because Gold, when it is 1st place, always chooses Silver as second place, so 5-Possible Permutations. 34:28 Gold, Silver Bronze. Silver Gold Bronze. Silver Bronze Gold. Bronze Gold Silver. Bronze Silver Gold. 36:54 Plato observed Democracy in Action when Athens was Defeated by Sparta. 37:38 The Athenians were too smart for their own good, leading to a downward spiral into Hubris and Injustice. They pushed the envelope too far, into their own demise. The Parts of The Soul The Parts of The City 38:27 39:21 The Most Complicated Mind, The Most Complicated Book ever written. *Glaucon Apologizes To Socrates* 39:55 Glaucon doesn't want to be a slave to his passions anymore. 40:40 Labido 41:48 Honor. Place. Distinction. Vanity and Foolishness! 42:06 Virtue Is The One and Only Thing that is valuable. "Is this what I want to do with the very limited time I have?" 42:58 Look at yourself. 43:22 Seeing The Real Value of Things. 43:50 Glaucon is an Aristocratic young man, an Athenian Citizen. Socrates has done what Socrates had hoped to do, changed Glaucon's life for the better. 44:43 Feeling not ashamed, but can hardly see how what he used to be was him. 45:00 A Magnificent Platonic Conversion Experience. 45:25 Genuine Lovers of The Truth. 46:16 Your Subjectivity is Transformed. "I have no words for it. 46:29 It's rendered more complicated because It moves into different dimensions. I'm just running out of words." 46:46 Republic 5. 47:39 Socrates is teaching you how to think, how to ask questions. 47:54 Come up with your own question. And so that was Plato's Republic Book 4. Next Time 48:17 Plato's Republic Book 5.

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Dr. Sugrue ...I've often heard that Socrates is a radical philosopher...but isn't he partly echoing the maxims at the temple in Delphi - know thyself and nothing in excess?

Did we ever get the 5th book?

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Professor Sugrue. I was wondering if you would ever talk about Camille Palgias’s sexual personae, and possibly flail about the topics of Jung and Eliade? Even if it was just a rambling of thoughts. Thank you for your content.

@dr.michaelsugrue

5 ай бұрын

Perhaps. I read Sexual Personae when it came out and I was impressed. I have seen her speak and I have learned from her.

@a.randomjack6661

5 ай бұрын

@@dr.michaelsugrue I learned today that Jung supported the nazi regime. Any clue if true or not? Thank you. I found you while searching for Machiavelli. Enjoyed both lectures, and a few others about Greek philosophers. 🖖

Mike .. the archaic torso of Apollo… As you know is this Apollo or Zeus ? Can we go on forever..? Well.. I like the controversy over the empty sockets..Now.. pilfered/ destroyed/ degraded/ dissolved? Now.. the magnificence of the find.. brings to us…the magnificence of the mind! We will always miss the smallest of things..and to that.. my friend I cannot sing.. . Not ‘keen’ on Shakespeare but I quite like Hesiod!!!

@thegeordierambler4373

5 ай бұрын

Ps.. I am with you all the way.. And a scratching of the head..imagine the youth picking up an autobiographical account of C.G. Jung ‘ Memories Dreams, Reflections’ An almost probable start..Would they then go to reflect ‘ Answer to Job’ ? Well I don’t think so.. mem/ dream/refl..where would that leave them? Well ., at a point of saying. .. well that’s bump in the night! What is the driver.. well.. and it reads better.. Homer! Another bump in the night!!

@thegeordierambler4373

5 ай бұрын

Pps..Expositions of the ‘Greats’ Read them all.. Moving in a linear fashion you will never get beyond your spooks! You said it exactly Mike.. you were so struggling for words..Can you imagine in posterity you would be persecuted/ ridiculed for it? Trying to get across something you were lost for words with? Now you are certainly not me in your endeavour.. Historical perspective is of value..no doubt! Fabulous stories giving great perspective and insight.. The human being of course will never render the myth. They want something that makes sense, without too much thinking… That is why Darwinism holds good…It all makes sense!! Now you know Darwinism has many flaws..

Does anyone know where a guy is supposed to find the list of supplementary readings that Dr. Sugrue has assigned? I've been searching like a madman for hours.

Where is Republic 5?????

18:36

Moderation, but drinking from a bucket size mug 🤭

I have to disagree, virtue and knowledge are not the same, the virtue in anything is in how we use it. Seneca had fifty marble tables for hosting parties.

I have to back out. I'm not intellectually capable of following. I came here because of the 1990's lectures about Meister Eckhart, Western Civilization and biblical lectures such as Job, Matthew, Luke, Acts of the Apostles and Paul etc. I find I'm unable to develop that passion anymore. This in no way reflects upon Dr Sugrue's contemporary lectures. "It's me, not you" to quote George Castanza in Seinfeld.

@georgebradford418

5 ай бұрын

Well maybe you're not capable yet, or you don't have the time to do the groundwork to follow. But philosophy is a personal journey. Even if you reach a point where you don't want to, you don't have to. It will always be there for when you want to or are ready to take up the mantle again.

Professor Michael Sugrue, can you please say why your lectures on Marx and Scopenhaeur were biased..

@MarkeyTeach

5 ай бұрын

Can you explain why you expect any lectures to be unbiased?

@a.randomjack6661

5 ай бұрын

Probably because it's not the same bias as yours?

@thegeordierambler4373

5 ай бұрын

@@MarkeyTeach.. Well.. anyone with teach in their name catches our eye..As a teacher ‘bias’ is not perhaps the best word..as it appears you are so well versed in..For us.. you are definitely one side or the other..? Bias?? Now for Mike…he puts his money in one boat…not bias.. not to be frowned upon..He needs to steady that boat..and perhaps reach to the…the ..’the sick mind’ Perhaps even Either/Or?