Mouse jigglers are a symptom. The toxic employer is the problem. If the company doesn't trust you to work from home, they just plain don't trust you, and you should consider moving on.

Lol wasn’t Wells Fargo found guilty of massive fraud signing customers up to credit for comisión

@feilox

4 күн бұрын

yea probably from the very same mouse jigglers.

@LouisDuran

4 күн бұрын

Yes. And more than just once. Never be a Wells Fargo customer

@john_in_phoenix

4 күн бұрын

Sadly, it wasn't the first (or last) time WF got caught.

@DarthVader1977

3 күн бұрын

commission*

@codelinx

2 күн бұрын

Hahaha wells Fargo guess employees for Fraud. Commits fraud multiple times lol....🫠😂

let me tell you the real story before people judge to fast. I work in a company with those trackers and when I work from home and I go to have a coffee, I'll a phonecall to ask where I am. If I go to the toilet, I'll get a phone call. I"ll get an electronic report daily of what I did and well, it's always way less then reality. you need to constantly click on something. Our bosses do nothing else but react when we don't constantly move our mouse. So you install a juggler.

@user-ei1ym1lq6h

5 күн бұрын

Sickening.

@termyfl2677

5 күн бұрын

Why don't they just get a robot which does things constantly 24/7 non stop

@samilajami

5 күн бұрын

@@termyfl2677 because ai robots will replace the whole chain of command soon after entering workforce. that’s one political reason.

@jeltoninc.8542

5 күн бұрын

Find something worthwhile to do with your life. Money isn’t everything. Get out while you can. Before you’re too old.

@nasseq

4 күн бұрын

If you're boss is micromanaging you to that degree, its more a reflection of them and not really have much to do themselves... It should really be what are your deliverables and are you providing them in a timely manner.

Why bother, buggy ass Microsoft Teams will still make your attendance look horrible.

@Meritumas

4 күн бұрын

I can make a scrambled egg on my mac when teams are on

@jjcoolaus

2 күн бұрын

Install teams on Linux, uses hardly any RAM or resources. My CPU comfortably sits under 20% all day long running teams and edge

When you do this instead of checking productivity you know it is a BS job.

Let's micro-manage the toilet seat, we can increase productivity by making sure we don't spend too much time opening and closing.

@samilajami

5 күн бұрын

connect it to the sensor that turns the light on and off. We’re talking valuable seconds that add up. I would make employees have to use camelbacks to drink water. We can go on and on about unnecessarily wasted productivity time.

@Eduardo1007

5 күн бұрын

There are companies who installed unconformable angled seats to minimize toilet time. They're already micro managing 💩

@Crash1hd

5 күн бұрын

You laugh but large call centres actually have pee break buttons to say where you are and how long you’re away. It’s sad, my moto is treat me like an adult I will act like one, treat me like a child I will act like one, I will not work for anyone that micro manages

@arubaga

5 күн бұрын

I am spending time closing all toilet covers so people cannot fall into them. Safety first.

@steveoc64

4 күн бұрын

Get rid of toilet cubicles and make it open plan If it works in the office, it should work in the toilet too

A few things: 1. Either the employees were still getting their work done and were productive, and their boss is just petty for expecting them to always be at their computers, or their jobs are so insignificant that their production can't even be measured, so having them click and type is the only way to know they're working. 2. The boss clearly has way too much time on their hands if they can spend it spying on employees. It kind of reinforces the perception that middle management serves no real productive purpose other than babysitting, and they feel insecure when they can't babysit people in person. 3. This kind of work environment encourages people to game the system rather than actually do good work. The people who will be rewarded are the people who take longer to get their work done, spend more time at their computers slowly clicking around, rather than people who finish all their work early (and possibly even at a higher quality level) and go take a walk or something.

@user936

4 күн бұрын

2. This will be pushed down from above - the boss need do nothing but ask IT. IT will flick a few virtual switches and enter an email address the report is to go to. At that point it is pattern recognition and that is something most of us are pretty good at. I think you need to stop thinking that people's default mode is productive - it isn't, especially in certain fields where stimulation can be hard to come by. My company banned home working for any reason 6 months ago (for Service Desk or 1st Line staff). They have pointed to the financial incentives to do so. We had people that then quit, usually given reasons like living too far away from the office (completely understandable). However, speaking with their co-workers, they we not going to be missed work-wise. People want Hybrid Working (2d at home) but it won't be implemented until our software that managed calls/emails is changed *because of monitoring*. 2 years with WFH and the higher ups understand that most people do a baseline workload to not get fired.

@user936

4 күн бұрын

3. interestingly this kinda works the other way here. So my boss tells me my email handling time (average) is 363% above baseline for the team. So it turns out that other people are "playing the system" by marking emails as Complete. This makes their stats look amazing and mine look terrible. They also then pass on some of those emails to others when they run out time to process them at end of shift. The knock-on effect (outside of the one described above) is that should my boss go up the chain to ask for more resources, he will be told No because our call handling times are pretty good... because they are fake.

@Subjagator

4 күн бұрын

@@user936 Yup. I find it amazing that management still haven't worked this out. When a useful metric becomes a target it ceases to be useful. The entire place could be falling down around them but they will smile and point to the green ticks on their reports and declare everything is fine.

@hueypautonoman

4 күн бұрын

@@user936 I think a lot of what you said goes back to my first point. There are a lot of jobs out there that aren't meant to be super productive by nature. Companies have a lot of small tasks that no highly-skilled people want to do, so their solution is to just throw more workers at it. I've seen people who spend their days just sorting emails or basic data entry, the kinds of things that could be automated with a little effort. To then get upset with those people for not having enough work to do to keep them engaged is a management problem. That's my point. If people are blowing off work, it should be obvious without spying on their every move. If you have to spy, it's because you want people to look busy whether or not they actually have work to do or not. That's about power and control, not productivity.

@GregButera

4 күн бұрын

What about jobs for which quantative metrics don't really exist, and there is no generally accepted qualitative metric? More jobs than you'd think fall into this category, and many of them are surprisingly significant!

If they can't tell by the work output that you're slacking, they have no business firing you for it.

@DudeSoWin

3 күн бұрын

That is where "security experts" step in and say the toggler is sketchy. So its best if you compile it yourself so that its unique and slap a copyright onto it. Great idea for a youtube tutorial.

The problem is that fools equate mouse clicks with productivity. I'm old school and still use a pen and paper. Who knew that would be seen as counter productive. I'm also an older male and, by definition, pee like there is no tomorrow. I would never tolerate such stupidity, nor would I enforce it on my employees.

If you are manager, and your employees use mouse juggler, you have a problem. And this problem could not be solved by firing, because new employees will do the same.

@SigFigNewton

4 күн бұрын

You’re probably a bad manager

@MantasXVIII

4 күн бұрын

Exactly. I use a mouse jiggler because I get punished for overperforming. If I have a good day and do 35 tickets (everyone else aside myself and 2 other people do 15, I usually do 20-30) then the baseline for next week is 30. Yeah, no thanks. I'll just slown down to a crawl and do 3 tickets per hour, mouse jiggling in between and working on my portfolio

@DarthVader1977

3 күн бұрын

@@MantasXVIII Cool story bro...

@MantasXVIII

3 күн бұрын

@@DarthVader1977 let me guess, you've never had a job? Then you'd know how common this is, every part of it, 'bro'

@DarthVader1977

3 күн бұрын

@@MantasXVIII Keep working on that "portfolio".🐤

So if they couldnt tell before from a productivity standpoint that they were doing that, I think that speaks volumes more of the company and the work they have people do.

@Objectified

4 күн бұрын

Why do you people think they aren't evaluating productivity and work quality, or that productivity is even relevant? They were fired for attempting to deceive the company, and that company is a major international banking institution.

@dentron9885

2 күн бұрын

@@Objectified They clearly were not evaluating this from a productivity standpoint because they should have been able to tell if these people were slacking off much earlier on before spying. Either they got their work done so efficiently they didn't need to be there the entire time, or they had such a light and useless workload their jobs shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Shouldn’t managers be figuring out who’s being truly productive?

@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece

4 күн бұрын

This is America, it's not about productivity, it's about establishing dominance and propagating suffering! Just imagine that one day you might be rich and then people like you and me better watch their step!

@ChucklesMcGurk

4 күн бұрын

at what point does capitalism turn into communism? Discuss

@udirt

4 күн бұрын

How would they tell if they never worked a day in their life 🎉

@AquaticAbomination

4 күн бұрын

If managers would find out who's productive and who's not - the managers would be fired...

@AS-np3yq

4 күн бұрын

Corporations internally are not capitalist but stalinist.

The crazy part is that in the office, sales people can suck all your time away with their nonstop banter and that’s ok.

@terrorbilly1

4 күн бұрын

Trade-offs.

@akpokemon

4 күн бұрын

Wasting company time and money is fine as long as it's in the context of the workplace. 🙄

Don't work remote for companies that have investments in commercial real estate.

The funny thing is they said it was an ethics violation. The company that installs a keylogger. Talks about an ethics violation. Can you even...

@AquaticAbomination

4 күн бұрын

Hey now, when the whole system is literally built on _exploitation_ of the worker we can't have you talking like that. Report to HR asap 😂 It's only a violation when the peasants do it!

@Objectified

4 күн бұрын

They installed a monitoring system on their own equipment.

@heyitsjeffagain

3 күн бұрын

@@Objectified- motive matters. This was never about tracking or encouraging productivity. It was always about control and creating a justification to cut costs by firing “less productive” employees “for cause” to avoid having to pay unemployment benefits.

Well, if i identify as a mouse jiggler and get fired, would that be discrimination?

@arubaga

5 күн бұрын

What if I giggle my mouse because I want to enlarge my mouse cursor in KDE Plasma? My mouse cursor is too small.

@KuroNekoExMachina

4 күн бұрын

Tell me your brain is unalive, without telling me your brain is unalive.

@ameerhamza4046

4 күн бұрын

Yaas girl ….

@artplanb9688

4 күн бұрын

😂

@vasiliynkudryavtsev

4 күн бұрын

Mouse can jiggle because of dirty lense and ambiguous mousepad. Being fired by using jiggler is quite a difficult task to prove if work is done. However, if no work was done, detecting jiggler is trivial.

I find it odd that some people believe it is reasonable to judge productivity based on presence rather than results. This seems quite silly to me. As a self-employed software developer, I often find myself wandering around while contemplating solutions to problems. This helps me think, as solutions are usually neither easy nor instant; they require time and planning. Most of my work doesn't happen while I'm typing or moving my mouse. Additionally, constant attention is impossible and leads to quick burnout. Humans are not robots, and treating them as such results in poor outcomes and drives employees to seek less stressful jobs elsewhere, and rightly so. A job should not feel like a prison. If it does, find a new job before it destroys your physical and mental health, because your employer likely doesn't care about your well-being. If an employee does their job and delivers good results in a reasonable amount of time, that's all an employer needs to know. How they achieve those results shouldn't matter.

@Thecelestial1

4 күн бұрын

Not about productivity, never was.

It's why Microsoft is rolling out Recall. The next pandemic that hits is going to require more people to work from home, indefinitely.

@daveys4863

5 күн бұрын

Oh wow. I hadn't considered that, but you're probably right.

@rodiculous9464

4 күн бұрын

Nah they're rolling out recall so they can steal your data and sell it for extra money. There's already ways to track your activity if you're on a company intranet. Now they want to get you on your personal computer too.

@kristianlavigne8270

4 күн бұрын

Correction: PLAN-demic 😅

@zachthecool4321

4 күн бұрын

The whole lockdown was a psy-op. If you want to change your environment and your work do it yourself

@stevetodd7383

4 күн бұрын

I think it’s more a case of trying to figure out how to sell AI and gather more user data.

Seeing headlines like this is so wild to me. Can't imagine ever working somewhere where your employer stalks you like a bitter ex and employees being apologists for that behavior. Half of these apps can't even tell the difference between the window being minimized vs literally not working. 'looking busy' and mandating butts in seats for every literal second of work done at a 9 to 5 isn't and has never been sustainable.

@enginerdy

4 күн бұрын

I worked at a place briefly where I got dinged _twice_ for talking to the other engineers too much. The owner would watch cameras, one of which just happened to be pointed at a door, down our row of cubes. The first time I thought it was strange. The second time I had words with the engineering manager, because _WHAT DOES HE THINK WE DO??_ Anyway, that place had unbelievable turnover, and I found out why.

a good employer looks at the final result, the work done

I work from home. If any company I work for requires that kindnof monitoring, I'll quit. Either the work I do has value or not. If they feel my being at a computer for 8 hours straight is more important than my output then we have a fundamental disagreement and can't work together anymore

For those claiming the EU forbids this kind of tracking: No, the EU does not forbid this type of tracking. In fact, electronic surveillance of employees is very common in the EU and is entirely legal.

“Yet the drive to assess the performance of workers and to measure forms of labor which, by their nature, are resistant to quantification, has inevitably required additional layers of management and bureaucracy. What we have is not a direct comparison of workers’ performance or output, but a comparison between the audited representation of that performance and output. Inevitably, a short-circuiting occurs, and work becomes geared towards the generation and massaging of representations rather than to the official goals of the work itself.” ― Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?

We have contractors that work 100% from home. Their supervisor has very little knowledge on how much effort is needed for tasks so she is effectively blind. They dictact the work speed

I have been working from home for 7 years and mainly in a time zone different from the company. Just do your work and there will be no issues, those people who slack off deserve to be fired. There are no checks happening except my colleagues that see that i finish my work. For those who work for a company where everything is monitored with software instead of people holding you responsible => run away!

Obviously people shouldn't pretend to be working but i think companies should focus more on if people are really being productive by evaluating work by if its getting done. If someone can complete tasks in half their work day i don't see the benefit in them having to make it take longer than necessary or pretend to be working. I wonder who, if anyone is monitoring senior managements productivity?!

@xryz

5 күн бұрын

But that would allow social mobility if ppl were left to work on side projects and side hustles. The elite can have anyone rocking the boat. How else will they keep a grip on their power?

@potatoradio34

5 күн бұрын

I guess some managers believe that even though their employees finish the tasks in half a day, making the employees work longer may result in even more tasks being completed.

@footthunder485

5 күн бұрын

@@potatoradio34 try all managers lol

@zenastronomy

5 күн бұрын

few problems 1) if an employee can finish work in half the time, it means they can sack someone and make 1 person do both persons work 2) they are too stupid to care who they sack. so long as they sack someone and pass off the workload to the other workers. in their minds it's the same. 3) all they see from these logs is our workers are doing nothing for 30% of the time. we need to sack 30% of them and force the others to work harder. so every worker is working every minute of every second of every day whilst on the clock. that is how simplistic and stupid upper management think. we are nothing but numbers to them. they crunch it. it gives out a result. they sack until they achieve that result. and this is exactly how they destroy their companies, thinking they are making it great. 😂😂😂 karma

@Subjagator

4 күн бұрын

@@potatoradio34 You are employing too many people if more than a handful of them regularly finish their work early. Fire a few and shift their workload to the people who have free capacity.

"When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure"

When reality hits, it hits.

At the company I was working for, the emploiy handbook had a paragraph on company issues laptops and phones. In capital letters it said( DO NOT EXPECT PRIVACY). I used my own stuff and never let the company add it to the network.

@samilajami

5 күн бұрын

Your personal one should have that too

@gusmonster59

4 күн бұрын

The minute you log into a company's network to work, you will be tracked regardless if it's company equipment or your own.

@paullindell

4 күн бұрын

@@gusmonster59 That's why I made a point of staying off the network. I would set the wifi as public so I had the firewalls.

I absolutely love my current manager for this. He straight up tells us "i dont expect you guys to sit glued to your pc for 8 hours. Take a walk. Do your laundry. Go eat lunch. As long as the work is getting done in a timely matter thats all thats important to me." Usually after our monthly patch night, i end up sleeping in for 1-2 hours extra. So after patch night im always "late" the next day but he doesnt care because hes realistic and looks at us beyond generated metrics. He knows i stay late other days, he knows i still get my projects done on time, he knows im not breaking things. Its a balance. Some weeks I work 10 or more hours longer than my scheduled 40 hours. Some weeks ill have a day or 2 where I wake up 1-2 hours late or days where Im just dreading a specific project or ticket so I sit on it for a day to mentally digest it and I'll work on something else instead.

Lets be clear about what is actually happening here. Wells is super over leveraged in commercial real estate and they are freaking out. They are pushing RTO hard as a way to prop up their investments, threatening layoffs to those who don't come back in. This was a way to justify laying off a lot of employees while gathering evidence that RTO is necessary.

They were doing the same thing the rest of the employees were. Staring at the ceiling questioning their life choices

If that CEO were to go to jail, then the BoD would need to follow, as they knew (and benefitted) from Boeing prioritizing profits over safety.

You can watch an instructional video to stop your computer from sleeping and call it research. You could also just write code that moves the mouse pointer and call it "Selenium-test".

Thanks KZread for canceling my subscription, glad I found you back as a recommendation. I’m done with relying on KZread to handling them properly.

This makes me thankful that I don’t live under communism, where everything I did would be monitored, even in my own home, and I would be punished for going to the bathroom. Luckily, we live in a wonderful “free market” system where anyone can become a millionaire and work without having to be a slave to the government. Our system has been so successful that stories like this only apply to a very small percentage of the population. Everyone I know loves their job and the high income, benefits, respect, and trust they receive from their feudal masters...I mean employers.

@zenastronomy

5 күн бұрын

you have been rewarded with 300 social credit points. sorry credit card rating points and unbanned from being shadow banned, that you didn't even know you were, from jobs and Internet. thank you for complying with the group think. you may now enter society without being jailed for being an intolerant bigot of the latest identity politics we created to silence you with.

@enginerdy

4 күн бұрын

you had me going lol

@feilox

4 күн бұрын

what are you talking about? These people are outright stealing 50-100K worth a salary per year! Doing jackshit.

@rodiculous9464

4 күн бұрын

​@@feiloxthat's not how that works, all these jobs have deliverables that need to get done or else you get fired. If the only way you can track output is with mouse activity there is something wrong with the job itself. It's like being hired to dig a ditch, you can't lie about digging it if the boss can clearly see it's not dug. Them going after jugglers is probably looking for excuses for downsizing since all these big banks are failing.

@117page4

4 күн бұрын

Commuist countries doesn't do this to their employees! You do!!! But what the hell, just blame all your problems on others.

What's funny about requiring constant input is, does managers think that people do not have to stop and think about problems? Did managers forget, that using brain require concentration? It seems like they did not exercise this in a long time. If boss cannot tell the difference whether or not his employee uses mouse jigglers without spying... Is the employee any different than mouse jiggler? But in reality, they just make sure employees cannot take a break and that they have to loose their minds trying to be productive for 8h straight. In office, you can do nothing productive all day, just brew coffee and talk to coworkers, and even better- managers about nothing. And managers will look more favourable to you than if in home you did very productive 7h and 1h you were taking a break, go to toilet, just trying to gather yourself to regain concentration and be productive.

Luckily, such surveillance is illegal in Europe!

@akpokemon

4 күн бұрын

Of course...lol.. you people seem to be a lot better at passing laws in favor of the average citizen. USB-c iPhones thanks to Europe

@mrcvry

4 күн бұрын

@@akpokemon GDPR, sideloading… EU is a compromise between corporations and people. USA only protects profit, people are a cheap resource.

@Objectified

4 күн бұрын

@@akpokemon Except he's wrong. EU companies can and do monitor employees.

@Sloppylicious

4 күн бұрын

@@Objectified You both are wrong.

@ABDTalk1

4 күн бұрын

satire?

Monitoring staff in this way is illegal in the EU and UK. Despite this, MS Teams etc reports you as away after 5 minutes. That's why the use of mouse gigglers is so prevalent here.

@Objectified

4 күн бұрын

No, it's not. Employers in the EU can and do monitor employees in exactly this way, and it's entirely legal for them to do so.

This is why the 4 day work week is more practical. No one is productive 40 hours per week

If a company doesn't have effective metrics that can determine if an employee is providing a satisfactory amount of work, that's an issue with the company. There should be no issue with certain periods of inactivity when unexpected events happen inside my own home that needs to be dealt with given I don't live in a strictly controlled business environment as long as I'm not completely neglecting my work and am producing reasonable outcomes. That being said, if I knowingly bypass a company policy (even a stupid one) I can't be surprised if I risk being fired as a result.

@SigFigNewton

4 күн бұрын

They’re scaring away to employees

@Objectified

4 күн бұрын

It's not about work performance, it's about the fact that these employees were attempting to deceive their employer - a major international bank.

What's wrong with companies is that they already know people don't work on the same exact time span or get the same amount done . one person can spend only 3 hrs of the whole day on the work , but actually do a fantastic job on it , conversely , someone could spend the whole day on 1 assignment and not do a very good job . In my opinion companies know this and created a hostile work situation because they want everyone to cram as much productivity into one day without caring about what can realistically be done accordingly.

So long as people accept being incessantly monitored and treated like robot slaves instead of humans, inhumane corporations will continue to do so. Next up: an electric shock if your keystroke is a millisecond too late.

That’s plainly illegal (at least under Italian law). Remote control of workers is forbidden here in such cases you get your place back, you got paid for the days of “firing” and usually also a hefty compensation. Today I think also privacy infringement could be called.

low tech solution: the worlds best mouse jiggler is actually loose cat hair. jokes aside, presence is actually bugged if you use the ms web office. it only shows you online as long as the browser tab is active, so effectively when you are not actively producing value at all. if you set status to dnd you will get disturbed 5min later because the abandoned office browsertab set you to away. those metrics are pure ass in my book and measure output over actual outcomes. if your company focuses on output, employees will game the system as its the set goal, in office or at home.

@vidyaWolf

4 күн бұрын

So you're telling me that multi-billion dollar companies rely on shoddily programmed apps that hinge on whatever framework and (in)stability a random browser will provide and call it a day? Yep, checks out!

I wish they could do this for the employees at the unemployment office

@zeroturn7091

4 күн бұрын

The biggest scam in the workforce.

I can't stop laughing at the pic they used for the article LOL

You can program those mouse jigglers to open and close apps or copy and paste text. I have'nt been fired yet.

It's shocking how much crap office people deal with. If only they had a trade skill for instant employment elsewhere.

@AquaticAbomination

4 күн бұрын

I work with Google Ads and I dream about being a lumberjack

I know people who work ftom home attend all meetings, complete work and still get fired because their output is trash.

@jiaw4637

4 күн бұрын

Do you one better. I know people who work from home attend all meetings, complete work and still get fired because their COMPANY MANAGEMENT is trash

If mouse jiggler needs only power over USB, it may not report any ids over USB port, since it may not using any data lanes.

This is nothing, the real scary stuff is when you are monitored for all time outside of work, even out side of employment, for deep behavior psychological analysis to measure you for new hidden hire policy, that is secretly shared across business.

@TheAmishUpload

5 күн бұрын

bro what

@valknut9648

4 күн бұрын

@@TheAmishUpload oh, you're blissfully unaware of the coming social credit score system. Enjoy the end times.

That's why I have sub-contracted my mouse jiggling to a 3rd party contractor.

Active directory is not a security system, it has group policies which can be used to enforce certain settings and can capture when logon events happen, but for monitoring user activity you need other software to do that

@austin73

Күн бұрын

Yes, this whole video was baseless click bait. There is no security policy or log that tracks mouse movements, much less analyzes them for “being organic”. The WF employees that were fired were almost assuredly using a USB device that simulates movements and keyboard input. They most likely scanned for laptops that had this device installed and made some examples. This was NOT about “mouse jigglers” or determining what an organic mouse movement was. (side note: no one in 2000 was turning off logging in order to save resources and it was not uncommon for servers to have 1 to 4 GB of ram in large enterprises, even back then)

Just wait until they add copilot and have a complete history of what you’ve been up to. 😮

Having to dig logs to track productivity says something.

Yeah, I work for a software company that collects these auditing logs. We can search and analyze this data. It's touted as a "security platform" but quite honestly, most companies use it to see what users are doing. They pay a lot of money for this platform.

So, management distrust WFH and wants it to end.

Powershell can move the mouse really easy.

@Zuranthus

4 күн бұрын

and they can tell, which is the whole point of the video

@snorman1911

4 күн бұрын

It's been used for years to verify you're a human in the captcha that just asks you to check a box.

@MrPir84free

4 күн бұрын

It's trivial to monitor all powershell, command line and other scripted activity. Once put in place, it just works. I do a lot of powershell, including my own fair share of "mistakes" where I mistyped something. Those that monitor, well, they have about a year to figure out what I'm doing. Unfortunately beyond a few days to a week, it would be near impossible for me to tell them what exactly I was doing. But it gets logged ; worse, I set up the logging.. (The logging is applied to all employees .. ). Doing something scripted is by and far the most easy way because the results are one of a few conditions: They can either see you launched a file, then grab that file and see what it does; they can see the individual lines of code as ran, or you can "obfuscate" the code, which just makes them REALLY suspicious. I've actually had security ask me what "this code was for" about a year after the fact; it was literally running every 90 minutes on nearly every workstation in the environment until the code was satisfied that the machine was in compliance.. Took them about a year to ask.. The code was to satisfy a different security request & compliance initiative.

Don't use software based, they can't find weird processes in your logs if you use a hardware approach. A Lego Technics set is probably worth the cost if you're inclined enough to figure something out.

Monitoring employees is just stupid. It's easy to know if people are working. Are they producing what they are supposed to? Like, if you are supposed to produce x results, and you do it, then what's the problem? Supervisors just need to be clear with what they expect and hold people to that.

Next time you get up to pee, YOU'RE FIRED! Never mind that you are hitting all of your productivity goals, my baby brain that doesn't understand object permanence feels brain hurty when you leave.

They can do the same thing in their offices and cubicles on the job.

I use a software that jiggles that i developed myself. Looks like i need to reduce the rate of the jiggler

@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece

4 күн бұрын

I recommend a micro controller using HID that way the software does not need to run on the monitored system. Its very easy and the dev boards really cheap. The RP2040 for example all sorts of boards below 2$.

@jonathanbuzzard1376

4 күн бұрын

@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Or get a physical mouse jiggler. It physically moves whatever mouse you have so it can't even be detected as a second and/or different mouse plugged into the system.

This is why I would just rather work in the office. I don't want my home computer surveilled by my company. Also, when I am home, I am home. I don't want my private life invaded by the office.

@mudi2000a

4 күн бұрын

If you work from home the company should provide you a computer. In my field it would also be never allowed to work from your own PC because of security concerns.

@JackSeries44

4 күн бұрын

Wtf are you talking about ? Sounds like HR cockcsucking his CorpoRATion.

They would hire such leeches but they wont hire hard workers with no experience

I always thought that what should matter is the employee delivering the work by the agreed deadline, regardless of what they do during that time.

It's okay, they'll get one of the many government jobs your tax dollars will pay for. Those are also work from home now.

Unless the employees were part of the brokerage arm, they aren't subject to FINRA supervision. For example, BofA employees wouldn't be subjected, but their Merrill Lynch division would be.

Activity logs folks…tells you everything you need to know

Yeah man, got myself in a pinch for this long ago on a different job. Thank god the job I have now are totally lax on that.

@Josh-py9rq

5 күн бұрын

yeah my company doesn't care you do your quota for the day and can relax in fact my numbers are soo high I could just kick back and do nothing for a day.

@TKUltra971

5 күн бұрын

@@Josh-py9rq as it should be tbh.

People who don’t want to work will always find a way. At home or in the office. The same is true for people who want to work.

Yes, cause at the end of the day they can still possibly audit, look what other people in the office and out of the office are possibly completing in a day and see if others are possibly reaching the same standards, I feel.

this is why we can't have nice things

@artplanb9688

4 күн бұрын

😂This is why we don't deserve nice things as a species of maniacal stalkers

If I go 5 minutes to the toilet and the laptop locks up killing all my work vpns making me re-login or cutting a file transfer, having to start it again, of course I'm going to use one of those. They can fire me I don't care, I'll find a better job

Well, I mean apparently, they were getting all their assigned work done or they could have been fired for that alone, so what the hell does it matter what they do as long as their assignments are complete, sounds like it's the employer's fault for not giving them enough to do where they had a ton of extra time to just walk away and not be missed.

These employees were fired for deceiving their employer. Full stop. Productivity and measurement of such is irrelevant. I guarantee there are many, many, many other remote workers with the same workloads as these folk who didn't get fired because they didn't attempt to deceive their employer.

Only thing to say is you reap what you sow. Just set your mouse on an analog wrist watch and it will see the second hand moving.

Here's a crazy thought, maybe we can evaluate our employee's performance based on actual achievements and interaction rather than micromanaging the hell out of them and asking them why they didn't have "inputs" to a computer for X% of the day.

If I _recall_ correctly, big corps like MSFT don't give a s- about employee's privacy...

Only if there was some kind of software that would record all of your normal organic work data, for like a week or two or a month, and then hijack the audited data so it sends in the recorded organic data in a random pattern.

@kevinb1594

4 күн бұрын

If only there was a way to tell if employees actually got the work done that they were assigned and finished their projects and met deadlines without having to spy on them.

@enginerdy

4 күн бұрын

@@kevinb1594you can’t because most people don’t produce value, working for divisions of companies that don’t produce value.

@phgamer4393

4 күн бұрын

@@kevinb1594 lol amen.

@l2k55

4 күн бұрын

Or you could just work when you are getting paid for working

@enginerdy

4 күн бұрын

@@l2k55 shift work mentality vs accomplishing goals

Anything is fair game on a company device. You're paid to work. Some companies are using keyboard loggers and can track exactly what you're doing.

You know, if they were happy with these peoples' productivity before, why does it matter? This means they need a promotion, not a termination!

I worked at a internet cafe and we could remotely see anyones screen! So I'm sure a big company has something similar if they wanted to check on their employees.

here are some mouse jiggler ideas i've heard: -attach mouse to a fan that moves back and forth -put mouse over mechanical watch , the moving hands will be enough to keep it active -turn mouse upside down, attach a tissue with tape, have fan blow on it

Employee absenteeism is employee absenteeism.

Time to apply to Wells Fargo

Just setup an IP KVM and outsource your own job to the third world. Someone over there can do your work, you pay them & you keep your employers salary. The difference between what you pay the third world worker & your company employment salary is your margin as a capitalist. I've known people to do this. One at a big bank got caught cause he stupidly used TerminalServer directly. IP KVM so that they can't track any remote logins. They'll log into a completely separate hardware device that lets them control your keyboard/mouse/screen at a hardware layer. Windows recall isn't going to be the solution management think it is. It's going to cause more hacks to the companies that use it.

ahhh... IT

lol cant wait for ai to start auditing everyone

@suzukigsxfa9683

5 күн бұрын

And then AI to fake you are working. Lol.

@ashishpatel350

5 күн бұрын

@@suzukigsxfa9683 🤣🤣🤣... It's going to be interesting times

@cbaesemanai

5 күн бұрын

never fear we will create ai jiggler powered keyboards and mouse.

@MatthewMS.

5 күн бұрын

why waste AI’s resource on auditing your job when it could just do it instead, 100x faster, mistake free, no bathroom break needed, 24/7 : ) jk

@noname-gp6hk

4 күн бұрын

A new arms race is born. There will be defensive AIs to fool the monitoring AIs. Then the monitor AI systems will get wise to what the defensive AI system is doing, then the defensive AI will adapt. Just look how bacteria still exists in nature despite us all having immune systems. As is in nature, as is in technology.

Office jobs are going to be taken by AI in a few years, so you might want to look into a trade like HVAC, electrical, or plumbing.

My company would never let me install 3rd party software on the computer. They cant stop the "put something heavy on the keyboard so it thinks you are typing" trick though!

I wonder if these people were not performing up to standard and that's why they were looked at. A mouse jiggler would be a much easier firing then putting them on performance improvement plans etc

I only feel the need to do things like this because I don't have enough work

Material dishonesty should result in material consequences. #policyoftruth

@AquaticAbomination

4 күн бұрын

Shame this doesn't apply to companies or politicians

What if the mouse jiggler was a way for them to keep active and they just happened to go AFK. Could be their cat messing with it too. I use macros for all my office work, its not like its competitive gaming.

Isn't this what Homer did? Who saw that, and thought good idea.... pfffft, deserve to get fired.

Two things. 1. despite being fired for looking productive/available when they weren't, that isn't why we use mouse jigglers. We use them so we don't have to login after 5 minutes of not inputting anything onto the machine. What they should have done is fired them for security breaches (which from a regulatory position, would have been much stronger) 2. the device is listed as a Mouse Jiggler - just a mouse. They could cross-reference the hardware ID with some sort of list, but that is the only way I can think of. What would be better is to see who is either constantly Active in Teams all shift, or check how many times each person logs in during their shift (however the results wouldn't be 100% dependant on user setup)

@jonathanbuzzard1376

4 күн бұрын

You can get physical mouse jigglers, which are undetectable and would be what I would use should I ever be in that sort of situation. My working from home is via a remote desktop, so it would be a meh anyway even if I wasn't the admin on the machine I remote into, but nobody is doing that level of tracking.

@user936

4 күн бұрын

@@jonathanbuzzard1376 do you mean the ones that look like a small mouse pad that you place under a real mouse? 🐁

@jonathanbuzzard1376

4 күн бұрын

@@user936 Yes. You can get a USB device that behaves like a mouse but it would be detectable as an extra bit of hardware plugged into the system. The software ones are also detectable but something that physically "jiggles" your authorised pointing device well good luck determining that you have such a device.

@user936

4 күн бұрын

@@jonathanbuzzard1376 the tactical mouse jiggler

Sounds like an excuse to lay off people. As long as the job gets done, it's not of the company's business what the employee does at home.

If you work within this system and you don’t fight it, you’re the problem.

@Objectified

4 күн бұрын

They aren't asking their employees to be typing and moving the mouse doing work continually. These people were terminated for attempting to deceive their employer.

@baphnie

4 күн бұрын

@@Objectified Do you know if these people were under-performing? Thats an offense I’d understand justifying termination. But tracking employee activity RATHER than productivity misses the mark and is a slippery slope.

@Objectified

4 күн бұрын

@@baphnie It's not about their performance. And I guarantee that many, many, many other remote employees there have comparable workloads and comparable times of actual inactivity, and that they didn't get fired simply because they didn't choose to attempt to deceive their company. I understand and agree with onerous surveillance and standards. There are often times I'm done with my work for the day in the early afternoon, and I have to find other things to work on. But if I installed a tool to attempt to deceive my employer into thinking I was working in those remaining hours while I went off and did something else, I'd expect to be fired if caught.

@baphnie

4 күн бұрын

@@Objectified Respectfully disagree that the onus is on the efficient employee to ask for more work. I may be wrong here, but I see hiring as an agreement between rate of work and rate of pay. If my employer felt differently, I’d move on.