They are also allowing the rear to squat at speed stalling the floor to increase top end speed It's also important to note that Adrian is the only designer in current F1 with experience from F1s previous ground effect era, and did his university thesis on Ground Effect and porpoising

@user-tq1qd3iu2t

7 ай бұрын

Yes but can he bake a cake?

@AardieArt

7 ай бұрын

​@user-tq1qd3iu2t Yes, the RB20 is one hell of a light sponge 😂 👌🏼

@rendeldesign7514

7 ай бұрын

experience is a big word, he was one year the apprentice of the chef aero guy and then second year aero floors where baned

@hb1338

7 ай бұрын

@@user-tq1qd3iu2t He has no need to find out, his skills make him enough money to employ the baker of his choice.

World class explanation of this piece of Red Bull’s dominance. I love how you broke down their suspension set up. Well done. 👍🏻🏎️ Also I give them a 9.9 out of 10. Couldn’t give them a 10 due to Sainz winning in Singapore.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot, really glad you liked the video! We put a lot of effort into every video and it's comments like these that make it really worth while

@stevepaul1190

7 ай бұрын

@@F1REVERSE 👍🏻

@stevepaul1190

7 ай бұрын

@@F1REVERSE Besides the actual F1 KZread channel, you’re my only other source for all things F1 related! Reliable, accurate and informative!

@fuglbird

7 ай бұрын

@stevepaul1190 But the anti-dive and anti-squat mechanics were not explained in this video at all. As already explained by onelapfilms the wishbone geometry is the real hero.

Yeh they have barely developed this season. All that saved money is going to make the RB20 a beast

@Redflag_F1

7 ай бұрын

The rb19 is such a beast this year with the -10% wind tunnel time that they can work on next years car early. Next year’s car is going to be a monster.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

I can't even remember the last time they fitted anything to the car. They must have stopped looking at the RB19 well before the summer break. Probably around the time they were winning every race by 30 seconds

@guatf1

7 ай бұрын

​@@F1REVERSEhungaro ring was the last major update

@royal_lepop4121

7 ай бұрын

@@F1REVERSEit was hungry the sidepods if i remember correctly thats a fucking long time

@zeuscloud2123

7 ай бұрын

They can’t spend any extra on next years car. Each season is a set budget and can only be spent on that season’s car.

you can also see this when they show onboard cameras during the race, many cars are shaking / unsteady, but red bull's car is very smooth its a far more comfortable ride too

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

It looks like the absolute dream to drive though I know that isn't the case

Great video and insight. Makes a change from countless channels recycling interviews from the TV broadcasts. Good effort, Thank you.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot. These videos take a lot of work and nice comments like this make it worth while

Suspension also helps against tyre decarceration, if the suspension doesn’t level out the g force creating under breaking or taking corners than tyres will be destroyed, that aslo a factor why max keeps in winning! ✌🏾

@donaldmclachlanful

7 ай бұрын

Great point...they appear to have the least tire degradation on the grid.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Oh yeh. There are so many reasons that the suspension is vital to why RB has won this year. I could have made this video easily half an hour long explaining everything. A half hour video of tech deep dive into suspension is probably too much though haha

@bawehjerox5030

7 ай бұрын

@@F1REVERSE Mate, I would be happy to watch this 😁

@AlvinWillistonDavis

7 ай бұрын

​@@F1REVERSEnope, everyone wants to know exactly how they're getting away from the pack

The rod type is a portion of the suspension but the wishbone geometry is more important. On the front suspension the upper wishbone has a lower connection point on the trailing arm. This causes an anti-dive configuration. The rear suspension is exactly opposite which reduces anti-squat. Marc tried to copy this mid-season as did other teams. I assume everyone will have a similar geometry next year.

@ryanaitken7242

7 ай бұрын

I’m glad you pointed this out. By far the biggest factors in the anti dive and anti squat characteristics of the Red Bull. The comparison pic of the McLarens setup, towards the end of the video, showing their upper wishbone trailing leg mounted far higher on the chassis highlights the differences in detail between the two systems and their differing performance “using the same system.”

@kwasg3

7 ай бұрын

ya this video confuses correlation with causation....

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Oh yeh 100%. But it is their choice of rod layout that allows them to fit the upper front and upper rear wishbone so much higher than it's paired wishbone at the front and back of the car.

@PK-xu7gu

7 ай бұрын

My team doesn't make mistakes haha. Now they are copying the fizzy drinks company. I hope Horner talks about in every race interview. haha

@hb1338

7 ай бұрын

@@PK-xu7gu Horner has no idea what makes his team's car go fast.

McLaren uses the similar combination of pull-rod in front and push-rod in the back, since last year but evidently not as depurated as in terms of the dive/anti-dive as the RB. I would expect that this will be the next step in the evolution for McLaren next year... let's see if the other teams will follow, because they will need some time to develop it and considering that the rules changes in 2026...

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Where the wishbones are placed is the next step in the evolution of this suspension configuration for McLaren and I'm sure they are all over that already

@jakemurphy9536

7 ай бұрын

​@@F1REVERSEgreat article. The first thing I look at on the new season cars is their suspension configuration. On the previous generation, the pre-ground effect cars, suspension and rake angle. What we are witnessing now, with Red Bull and Max is something I consider truly remarkable. Max is a once in a generation drive talent, and instead of name calling and attempts to belittle him, we should be grateful that we have the opportunity to witness such a talent.

@hb1338

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for "depurated" - I enjoy discovering words that are new to me !

@hb1338

7 ай бұрын

@@jakemurphy9536 What Martin Brundle once said of Fernando Alonso is equally true of Verstappen - he is easy to admire, but very difficult to like. He is also the embodiment of truculence and dumb insolence.

I think it will depend on how much of a wholesale redisgn each team wants to do (if next years cars is an evolution of this years it will likely retain the current suspension set up, but redesigning it all from the ground up will likely lead to the Red Bull patttern).

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Haas, Mercedes, Alpha Romeo, and Red Bull have all confirmed a complete overhaul of their car for next year, though I think Red Bull's is just an aero overhaul, not mechanical. I'm expecting a lot of teams to be running a very similar set up

this is so genius. underrated video. one of the best i've seen on the Red Bull cars

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it! Really appreciate the kind feedback

RB actually run anti squat at the rear not anti lift, the anti dive at the front counters the the lift at the rear & the anti squat counters any lift at front but most of all stops the car squatting like at the front, this why the suspension at the rear is mounted opposite to the front, if where anti lift it would need to be laid out like the front not opposite.

Good analysis... subscribed 😊.

Amazing Max ...that is the difference... nobody else is even close

You absolutely deserve every view, I immediately subscribed during this video

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot, really appreciated

Bingo. I have been saying that for some time. Why the Mclaren got fast after aero change? Suspension was good to start with. That's why Merc are having problem, even after they change their aero.

Doh do doh DOH, Max Verstappen

There is a reason why Adrian Newey focused especially in the suspension for these regulations while other engineers worked the aerodynamics. Aerodynamics require a stable platform to do what it was intended. The suspension of the RB provides this stabe platform with its anti-dive and anti-squat characteristics. Suspension and Aero work hand-in-hand. I think by now rival teams have understood that the true secret of the RB lays in the suspension. Of course RB has the best aerodynamics but that is achieved because the car rides on rails which allows for everything to work smoothly and in synchrony. The car rides so low to the ground that the losses are minimum either on braking/acceleration, or during cornering. It never stops delivering that peak levels of downforce and Verstappen is never fighting the car like others but working in armony. For sure the grid has realised it and already working on it. 2024 and 2025 will be fun. 24 is the year of all or nothing. 2025 will be the same car as 24 as teams will have all resources allocated on the new 26 regulations.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Oh yeh. I said in another comment I could have done a half hour video on the suspension and the knock on effect it has on the rest of the design. Problem is I get bored of my own voice after that long, god only knows how the poor viewers would feel. Thanks for the great feedback though

@jakemurphy9536

7 ай бұрын

​@@F1REVERSEI very much enjoy tech talk, so bring it on.

Anti-dive and anti-squat are primarily determined by the inclination angles (side view) of the wishbone inboard pickup points.

thanks for some insight info , fascinating.

This feels like 2024 is going to be very interesting in terms of car development. Who can bring the same suspension design but perhaps a new aero design around the upper area of the car 👀

@FrancisFjordCupola

7 ай бұрын

Red Bull can, of course. Would be fun if they could even show Mercedes how a zero sidepod is done. :P

I think your pull rod diagram is wrong, it would also pull an already extended shock...

does RB ever change their power unit this season? i cant recall if they ever change anything inside it...if they dont then it is truly impressive and its reliability is off the chart

@Phaevryn

7 ай бұрын

They don't have to push their components so much as they're ahead anyway. That helps with overall reliability.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Yeh they are on par with the rest of the grid. You can look up the parts usage of everyone but searching for F1 engine component usage 2023. Quite a few different sites track it

That really is a "why didn't everyone think of that?" thing.

Uhhh this was already known last season. The competition hasn't copied it either cause they thought they didn't get everything out of their existing concept or they didn't understood it.

1) Driver check 2) Car design check 3) Strategist check.

Ground effect floors INCREASE (not reduce) downforce using the Venturi effect. They reduce drag compared to regular aero.

@procatprocat9647

7 ай бұрын

No shit.

Hanna really is the unsung hero at Red bull

Big brain Hannah has been putting Ferrari strategists in a blender all season

@OmegaF77

7 ай бұрын

Nah, Ferrari strategists have been putting themselves in the blender all season. They're in a competition on who defeats Ferrari the most.

@martini668

7 ай бұрын

We are checking

Another factor influenced strongly by the suspension geometry is the level of mechanical grip in the corners, especially slow speed ones. Most car designers seem to spend a lot of time thinking about the aero setup, but actually mechanical grip contributes far more to the cornering performance than the aero setup does. Poor cornering performance cannot easily be mitigated, but a draggy aero configuration can mostly be overcome by running the engine a bit harder, at the possible cost of reliability.

Nobody seems to mention engines, but by the way that thing accelerates in a straight line from 0mph (see Mexico, Brazil), they’ve clearly got a significant power advantage over everyone else.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Off the line in Brazil they were rapid weren't they? I do wonder how much of that is down to the aero efficiency though

This using that type of suspension a plus for certain drivers like Max cause it might be why Perez can't drive it like his teammate

@stevenmoran4060

7 ай бұрын

It didn’t seem to bother him at the start of the season when he was winning did it?

@HOusu88

7 ай бұрын

love it or hate it but there's only one reason why checo can't keep up with max

@charliresendiz8932

7 ай бұрын

@@HOusu88yea he’s not confident in the car js like the merc drivers aren’t confident in the w14

Even Adrian Newey's head looks aerodynamic

Changing from push rod to pull rod changes the location of suspension components(springs and dampers) thereby effecting the center of gravity at front or rear; effectively changing the roll couple distribution of the chassis. Depends on what you want your car to do. Of course, there's a LOT more to it than that.

It's shame that other teams have to copy Red Bull and are unable to do it themselves or find a solution!

@digbick8349

7 ай бұрын

The rules make it so that there’s only gonna be 1 or 2 working designs. Whoever gets it right gets wins. Red Bull did it first and the rest will follow

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Sometimes there is just a best solution though. It's like a complex maths problem. There are loads of ways you can get to the right answer but there is always an easiest (or best) way of getting there

Red bull are fast but their consistency is scary

great explanation, re race strat when you are dominant in all areas you can go with safe race strat every race which they do.

You broke this down brilliantly, sir. I appreciate the visual aids 😆

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot, really appreciate the kind feedback

It's the engine. Honda went their own ways and slowly cooked the perfect recipe and finally developed the perfect F1 hybrid engine before they bowed out and left the diamond to RB.

Simply configuring a leadling link front suspension defeats braking dive

It arks back to senna and mansel days,they also tried each other’s set ups with suspension Williams and McLaren’s 😂😂👍

Strategy mistakes cost 5-10 seconds in general, so max usually will still overcome any lapse in strategy.

@FrancisFjordCupola

7 ай бұрын

That sounds like a Ferrari assumption. Only 5-10 seconds each. If they think that it's no wonder they are willing to risk and even make so many of those since they don't believe it has significant impact.

Although push and pull rod suspension geometries look very different, from a system level point of view they work in the same way, they are just connected differently to the wheel. I think it is unfair to say that this is the secrtet of red bulls performance advantage. What matters in the end is the configuration of stiffness for different body modes, non-linearities or steps in the stiffness for platform control, damping and roll stiffness. It does not matter how they are connected to the wheel (as long as they are...) I think the reason for red bulls (and mclarens) pullrod design in the front is purely driven by aerodynamics and packaging.

@hb1338

7 ай бұрын

Nope. Mechanical grip and stability is far more important than aero in all corners, especially slow speed ones.

didnot expect such a banger of a video

Great explanation I was wondering what was red bull secret sauce

awesome video, I like the level of nuance, just enough to be dangerous and do some googling for myself.

@F1REVERSE

7 ай бұрын

Haha if you go googling there is a massive rabbit hole to fall in. Good Luck!!

Most impressive by a long shot

In short rb- built a usable, level, stable, ground effect car Everyone else- fix your f’n car

Cheating by stelling they should go up against an independent court.

Yup, definitely expect that everyone else is going to copy the Red Bull suspension system, next year.

Pretty informative I have got to say

Red bull are years ahead in there understanding of speed and downforce

There's exactly 1 reason why RedBull is dominating so hard & his name is Adrian Newey.

Adrian Newey knows it works, because he was in the last ground effects era...

Max is a great driver, but this is not his best year as he has had no challenge. His team mate has been poor and the car is in a different league, he can drive past every other team with ease. Adrian Newey is the one that really needs the recognition, if Merc hadn't had the engine head start I think Red Bull could have won every year since Vettel's first title.

The 2024 RedBull will still be one year more advanced than any other team...

oh my ! ....... Simply smashing ol' boy, fine bid'ness indeed ;-D

Helmut marko and Adrian Newey two different oldies but one is giving best car to team and one oldie giving stress to team

Don't forget that in Red Bull was penalised at the end of the 2022 season and not allowed as much wind tunnel time as other teams.

@FrancisFjordCupola

7 ай бұрын

Only to prove that it wasn't just down to wind tunnels, but humans understanding the flow of air.

THE BEST TEAM AND THE BEST DRIVER

Red Bull are now designing a car to beat their 2023 car. Imagine that!

@5:22 sorry, teams know exactly how much downforce is being created, it is nothing to do with the drivers feedback, it is a precise science and measurable.

The secret is in the design. The RB19s floor to the ground and Aerodynamics are just a masterpiece. They have a 7.4 avg mph gap on DRS zones to all other cars. I'll say the RB will continue to dominate until 2026. Honda are geniuses😂

@GeneralMiller92FIN

7 ай бұрын

In RB19 the ratio between which creates more downforce (the rear wing or the floor) is done differently than in other teams. Red Bull has clearly focused more on how to maximise the downforce generated by the rear wing instead of the floor. That's why the change in drag is huge and goes to rocket mode when DRS is open. This is genius because floor cannot be manipulated during the race for better airflow but DRS can. Other teams where originally maybe too focused on maximising the ground effect that they forgot that the wings still exist. So almost all of them had initially proposing issues.

@aberamagold7509

7 ай бұрын

Adrian Newey is the genius who designed the car, not Honda.

@josegrullon024

7 ай бұрын

@@GeneralMiller92FIN that my friend is a fact. Just looking at that car from the cockpit cam. Lol is like being blown away every time.

@josegrullon024

7 ай бұрын

@@aberamagold7509 lol okay. I'll tell you what. I'll put an alarm now for 2026. To remind me to check back with you when Ford is awarded with the lead for RB engineering facilities and input for the power unit. You do know that out of 3000 employees on a F1 team. More than 1000 employees work on the power unit. What you are saying as long as your guy is there. RB will not change anything since nearly a third of the staff working on the power unit will be Ford staff members 🤷🏾‍♂️. We will see about that. I'm guessing there should be no gap at all like the one they had from switching from Renault to Honda.

If you look at it you can clearly see that push-rod leads to more side-to-side movement of the tires and thus much more tire wear. It also seems to be lower in the nose? That would be better for lower weight distribution. And the suspension arm in the pull-rod setup is shorter, too? And push vs. pull is like the difference between a kardan (heavy) or chain (light) in motorcycles. Meaning: a pull-rod just has to be strong when you pull it. It won't be pressed. And a push-rod will be pressed so needs to be far stronger and heavier. It makes me think that Red Bull aren't even using a suspension arm, but are more likely to use a suspension tube. And a pulling force could even affect the other side of the car... My guess is that their real magic is inside of the nose. We can't see it, the FIA hasn't forbidden it, and other teams can't replicate it (they probably also thought of what RBR is actually doing) because they would have to re-do their entire aero package.

@procatprocat9647

7 ай бұрын

Plenty of images of the redbull with the nose removed and also with the suspension being worked on

the RB19 secret is its HEART " The HONDA ENGINE "

After watching much better understand red bulls succes. Super explained

Am i crazy or did they spell arrangement wrong? Great video and excellent breakdown

except the other driver at red bull is driving the same car but is regularly being beaten by maclarens, ferrais and mercedes.

This matter is related to gravity and nothing else: On PUSH ROD if one imagines a bump hitting UP the inner front wheel(up), somehow the vehicle will, to my understanding, for a fraction of an instantaneous moment, lose some of its OVERALL earthly weight upward!. As the wheel is forced upward, a single seat, for instance, weighing 800 kilograms having its front inner spring compressed by a road bump (zebra corner) representing for instance 70 kilograms of COUNTER COIL PRESSING PRESSURE will, for a fraction moment, reduce the vehicle overall weight to 730 kilograms. Now, imagine a sequence of bumps exerting the same cycling upward pressure movement. Here you get some progressive UNDERSTEER. So even though WE the DRIVER are counting on the sensitive coefficient of previous felt experiment adhesion, some of it is lost in the middle of a corner. On A PULL ROD system, the leverage exerted is DOWNWARD for a start (direction) and is resisted by the system “reverting” the action upward. However, the chassis will first receive a down-directed force action adding to the vehicle downforce program, resulting in a final vehicle weight of 870 instantaneous kilograms. Just imagine a murky soil giving up resistance to down pressure force. One must consider the physical fact is much related to GRAVITY, which engineers apparently don’t, maybe not for Newey. The force of GRAVITY seems to be invisible but it is not. For drivers and racers, this intermittent tiny multiple downforce exertion comes to make a precious difference millisecond time wise…..nowadays

I’m surprised the bad cars don’t have a means to bleed off air to equalize the air minimizing the porpoising

@douglasburnside

7 ай бұрын

Possibly because the FIA would then stretch their "moveable aerodynamics" rules past the point of sanity and ban it.

@FrancisFjordCupola

7 ай бұрын

The porpoising came as a result of them trying to maximize other stuff elsewhere. Chances are they see little options for bleeding off without compromising too much.

Plus sandbagging

You didn’t expand on Ricciardo finds the Alpha Tauri more predictable?

Christian Horner : Change your f.... Car 😂😂😂 RB 🎉🎉

I think is not much to do with the front suspension, but i agree that Redbull use something rear of the car which aloud to them drive always at the same height with full tank or empty tank,slow speed and max speed.Nobody knows how they do it,so if once they figure out what is their "secret" then they will be beaten.

@FrancisFjordCupola

7 ай бұрын

Singapore disproves that conspiracy theory. Look, what Red Bull uses to keep their car level is called physics.

The suspension. Simple as that

It's all about who has the most cash. NOT who's the best driver.

Power is the biggie for Merc next season.

Problème with Redbull is that they seem to always make a car that suits only one of their 2 drivers

@limitedmark

7 ай бұрын

I'm afraid you are choosing to ignore the elephant in the room . 😉

@ThmsDouglas

7 ай бұрын

@@limitedmark Big elephant

@limitedmark

7 ай бұрын

@ThmsDouglas indeed , on average, 20 seconds a race more elephant.

Start Video at 2:16 Anything before that is stuff you already knew if you are an F1 fan this year.

isn't Pull Rod the Ant-man actor????

if they do copy the push pull design front and rear they will be where red bull has already been and now red bull will work on something else to make the car better

McLaren are the other team with the same pull rod front, push rod rear set up. Shame that you mis-stated that, .....before, later contradicting yourself. The thing that RB does differently to them, tho, is the severity of the wishbone mounting angles, again, to maximise the anti-dive/squat characteristics.

i think its still only rbr and mclaren with the pull/push, right?

@calwells5612

7 ай бұрын

I believe McLaren runs pull in the rear.

Next year the red bull will be even further ahead. They will refine any of the issues they will have encountered. The teams will always be a year behind. The only team that may work it out is Merc as they have the americas cup where they can buy the knowledge in.

If you can believe the reports when Ricciardo drove the current RB after 10 laps his time was not far off Verstappen time at the British gp and would have put him on the 2nd row in qualifying

@procatprocat9647

7 ай бұрын

Ricciardo alongside Max would make 2024 very special

@erikvermolen8371

7 ай бұрын

true, but it's difficult to really judge that performance. Different track conditions, fuelload, tires? many variables to consider.

Should not tell other teams about what they do keep shut 😮

I mean, no one copied the suspension from last year I don't think? it's not a simple switch over as I understand it, a lot of the chasis has to be built with that in mind in the first place.

Please correctly report information THERE IS NO STRATEGY IN AN F1 RACE. There is strategy in F1 but not in a race situation. Like every F1 team they all have access to data feeds during races, a tactician , their team analysis software packages ( see Aston Martins partnership with cognizant on data ). Each team employs tactics to optimise their chances of gaining advantage over the competitors in each race. These tactical advantages as with other sports such as cricket, ruby, and track events in the cycling make he teams competitive within the event.

No words.

I think Danny Ric should stay at Alpha Tauri. He could do so much good for that team. At least full season next year after they start working more closely with Red Bull. And of course he can help with the new title sponsor coming on board. Checo has one more year on his contract, I think so they could do worse with what’s out there.

Hanna 😍😍😍✌️ what a brilliant woman

Aston Martin will ditch the waterslide and use the rb19 sidepods

That makes a lot of sense! I can’t believe Mercedes hasn’t figured this out though out and entire season and couldn’t have done a rebuild over the summer break(?) Maybe it takes a lot more time than that break gives them…(idk) But I know that this video explains precisely what I’ve been thinking for 2F¥€£ing seasons! I’m not an engineer…but I know that if a car on a different team is dominating your team…you might want to copy any and everything it’s got going on!

@pauls5745

7 ай бұрын

can only do tweaks as a complete rebuild takes months

The premise of this video falls 100% apart when you remember Red Bull has two drivers. One dominates every race, the other barely makes it into Q2. The answer is driver.

Ionic air propulsion exposed yet? It's an easy way to alter the aero and legal to the rulebook.

@ThmsDouglas

7 ай бұрын

Nah they have a flux capacitor.

The secret sauce is Max. Checo, who is fast, has not demonstrated the same dominance.

yes

When three years of leaked rules work😂.

It’s that Vtec engine

well, thats the secret then. should be more competitive next time.

The other teams would be FOOLS if they don't copy Red Bull. !