Amazing recording. I can easily hear how the low notes are coming through the left speaker and the high notes are coming out of the right speaker. It truly feels like I'm standing there. This is extremely helpful. Thank you so much for posting it.

Wow - I think that sounded amazing. Thank you for this demonstration.

I closed my eyes to listen, it just sounds perfect

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Unusually good sounding mic technique, it sounds airy without the annoying unnatural reverb of commercial recordings.

Success. Really, REALLY, wonderful sound. Great frequency response. Claire De Lune was a good choice to show the frequency response of those U87's. Well done James. Good choice. All the best to you . Good night.

That sounded ace! Just the right amount of warmth, and a flawless frequency balance. You did very well indeed in buying those Neumanns, and now I think you've found your default way of recording that Model D of yours. It doesn't get much better than this, if at all.

AMAZING sound! So very beautiful!

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

great sound, very impressed

Beautiful, mics are awesome but so is your performance. I am so impressed with your talent.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😊

Watching unpacking was very useful.

fantastic sound - I'm too new to this to not be shocked at the price of this set-up

Wow! I am listening to this with a pair of Sony WH-1000XM3 headphones. The sound is absolutely awesome, it sound like I am sitting at the piano. You have cracked it my friend, first time as well.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it!

It captured the piano's resonance as you played. It shall be interesting in a post production how much more you get out of that! 😇👍

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

It of course would be depend on the mix. A lot of music today is just a wash of sounds, but for musicians who can really play and mixed open you could get 100 percent. Stay tuned.

James, The sound is crystal clear across the keyboard,it's going to be very interesting to listen to you and your reviews on The Piano Forever channel. Cheers, Rik Sp[ector

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Cool, thanks!

A very interesting technique to put the microphones so close to each other but this really works. I knew the neumann u87 already but not in this formation. The sound is amazing in this setup and catches every tone, every resonance and almost like a reverb. Beautiful. As you mentioned there are a lot of ideas about how to do this. We had different microphones around the piano and one pointed inward but the result you got here is amazing. I hope you are going to do a lot of tests by example with the celesta or your marimba. Nice. Thank you for sharing and playing.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

The format for this channel will be explaining what we are going to do and then giving the final result in the videos. Thank you for the visit.

@moldenburg909

3 жыл бұрын

Milan Recording Studios: look forward to your videos as always. On both the your channels.

Cool! Please tell what top 3 model of digital piano maximum like grand concert?

I never realized how much of a craft micing up was until I started watching Rick Beato, you did a good job explaining the Blumlein technique is, etc.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

He has a very interesting channel.

@The_Smith

3 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 yes, he knows a bit for an 'old guy' (just making a joke, I'm the same age as he is)

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

I wish Rick would start recording again.

@The_Smith

3 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 Yes, he is another perfect example of what a bit of talent, and A LOT of hard work can do. And the amount of knowledge he has just from 45 years in the biz! . . .

hard to credit the new mics with the outstanding music recorded for this video. maybe i'm wrong, but i think you were inspired to perform the selection slightly better than as routine. fair enuff then to be glad for new mics up to the occasion. glad as can be for the combination. and of course, you have a fantastic piano, in a great venue. it could also be that for you to do so well, you had the benefit of having been provided the correct bowl of M&Ms, none of the wrong color, nor too stale. a word i have been bitter about, in my experience, is "discover." i can't easily say now that too much bad news has been my discovery. rather, with the discovery of better news, there has often been no appropriate "development." in your hands, the new mics surely might enable discoveries, but more importantly, not without appropriate developments. among your peers, the tandem realities (d&d) enable some to use the best opportunities, rather than sometimes when such are too compromised if opportunities do not rightly bring together any for all the storied equipment could permit. thanks for taking the time for a great performance shared online.

Congratulations on acquiring these two mics. Yes, they are amongst the best mics in the world. Of course it can be argued, but as far as respectability and name recognition, yes, they are #1. 👍🏻💙👍🏻

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

We have a great deal of other mics as well, but these are two mics that will be getting the most use for some time. It would be nice to get a few more tube mics to go along with our 37a.

@mvmmotovlogmusic2815

3 жыл бұрын

Even the mechanics of the sustain pedal letting the strings resonate sounds gorgeous. Big thumbs up.👍🏻 the stereo image is also lovely. I’m very impressed and love this recording.

The Mic positioning Does make Perfect Sense😀😀😀

These Mics are very impressive. I would love to se Milan Recording Studios review Mics for home to light studio recording. Sort of how you review pianos :-)

The Neumann U87 Ai Stereo Pair Microphone are an excellent choice in a recording studios but it a very expensive Microphones. In a home recording studio, I used a Sterling Audio ST151 Large-Diaphragm Condenser Microphone and great job in recording music. You can use Rode M5 Small-diaphragm Condenser Microphone or a Aston Microphones Origin Large-diaphragm Condenser Microphone can do an great job of recording music. 🎹🎼🎶🎵

i wished you would play your own test pieces too.

amazing sound, truly. What setup would you use to record an Upright with these mics ?

@milanrecordingstudios9042

2 жыл бұрын

Most studios record uprights from behind and relatively close to the soundboard.

I did experience stereo separation, which was Really awsome, I will have to try it again at later time with a better set-up. Be Well James 👍❤😀

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

can you put the links for the signal chain equipment like the Sennheiser phantom power supply and the tube preamp?

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

You will just have to track them down as they are all vintage.

My all time favorite Mic ever ! So darn n expensive but when you hear the results its obvious why.

@rorobobo8401

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly Perfection is rarely cheap

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

I think for me the answer is not to try to set the studio up in a day, but just try to buy the best equipment and then save up for the next purchase.

@prestige2000rider

3 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 Very Smart. Its how it works at my studio too.. ( the only way ....

Gotdamn!!!

Can this mic handle very loud chords on the piano? I heared that it’s made for more quiet input.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

2 жыл бұрын

I use it for almost everything including my concert grand. I might also add that Abby Road also uses theirs to record concerts grands and just about everything else.

@PianistStefanBoetel

2 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 Thank you so much for the quick response. May I ask another question? If I buy such microphone of high range is it also necessary for tone quality to have a very high end interface? I like to buy an usb interface to connect with my IPad. Can you recommend any that matches with the sound of Neumann U87?

@milanrecordingstudios9042

2 жыл бұрын

We at present do not record through an interface as we feel that would lower the quality of our recordings. We plan in the future to try out a interface that we have here at the studio, but have not even unpacked the box as of yet and it has been around since last year. I believe that for us the magic in the sound is running it through two vintage Sennheiser phantom power supplies and also vintage 1950's Ampex preamps by way of a high end mixer (56 channel). Although smaller mixers can work well, as the mixers get larger for some reason the sound does improve for some applications. We run all singing recordings through a vintage Ampex 8 channel mixer from the 70's or 80's once used by the BBC and others.

@remon563

2 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 hi Milan, do you have more information about recording trough pre-amps and mixer ?

Very nice indeed. :-) Which Ampex mic preamps specifically do you use, if I may be so blatantly nosy. I went back and re-listened to the last third or so of this video through my stereo with a pair of the Andrew Jones designed and voiced 'wonder puppy' Pioneer SP-BS22-LR loudspeakers (I have downsized to a 3 room apartment and after signing the lease and setting up shop, I discovered that the main room has a nasty bass resonance; my venerable and beloved ADS L520s simply overpower the room). Not quite LS3/5As, but not that far behind either (what douth thou expect for $99 per pair on sale). Being an old, unrepentant physical media kind of guy, I would be very much interested if you release a solo album on CD (or even better SACD, but then you should also invest in a good DSD ADC and DAC for best results; long live the unicorn formats). You can get reasonably good sound quality from KZread, but it still falls short. p.s. I just subscribed to this new channel.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

I plan on doing another video on vintage preamps in the future so just stay tuned. It's all in the works, but I want to make every video a well thought out video and so I am going to take my time to produce quality over quantity.

@stephensmith3111

3 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 An excellent plan. Quality content and sound is the righteous path. Speed kills (actually speed doesn't kill, it's a catastrophic deceleration at the end that gets you; physics is good for you).

You described your chain in the video but can you post it here as well?

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Neumann U87 Stereo pair using the Blumlein Technique, vintage Sennheiser 48 volts phantom power, vintage Ampex preamps.

Wow, I was skeptical about being able to hear the quality and the left base, right treble but there it is, very 3 dimensional and immersive as you predicted.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it turned out really nice for a set it up and record with no adjustments of the mics in any way.

For 7k$, they better be good.

@douro20

3 жыл бұрын

That's just the microphones alone; you could spend another couple grand just on the power supply!

@DMKahn

3 жыл бұрын

@@douro20 there’s no power supply on these fet microphones

Will the Blumlein Technique work with cardioid mics?

@moon-li

3 жыл бұрын

no, the blumlein needs two bidirectional mics

@charleskocher1217

3 жыл бұрын

That's called the X-Y stereo Technique

Any thoughts on choice of desktop computer speakers to get good, if not pro quality, sound, James?

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe soon I could do a full review series on thepianoforever channel.

@highamnj

3 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 Please do!

@tomintoledo372

3 жыл бұрын

I have Logitech Stereo THX certified speaker system, I got them on sale for $99.99 and they are incredible loud and clear, Bass shaking. There may be more on the market, not for this price and performance. Check them out.

@robertlaw6283

3 жыл бұрын

I’m very happy with my Bose computer speakers! Super sounds for all types of music.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

We use a set of Bose computer speakers that we have had for years, but I would think we could do a lot better if we were to choose again. They are bass bias for sure and they also like to rattle a lot. Was that peaking or just our crazy speakers?

Thank you so much for your video , very good . Please , could you tell me which Are the best mic for recording grand piano ? I have Rode NT 2000 , Apogee 76 elements , mic - pre Neve Amek 9098 system. I have Yamaha C5 grand Piano . Thank you in advance

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

U87's

@keithrichards4296

2 жыл бұрын

AEA R88 or a pair of N8

As someone who uses Blumlein for room mics nearly every session, do try out an AEA R88 sometime. You may have a new favorite mic :)

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

I have listened to a few online, but personally I was never really that impressed. In some recordings they sound very nice, but in others they they sound just O.K., because there is not one mic set-up for all recording sessions. I think if you are looking for a budget mic it could be interesting in some applications, but the Neumann is in a different level entirely. I do in fact prefer the sound of the U87's, but it goes way beyond just the quality of the sound and continues at how flexible the U87's are. I just set the mics up with no test and no corrections and what I heard was what was on the video. Of course what is so cool about the U87's is all of the different configurations that you can place these mics in, and also mix them with other mics to create an infinite amount of position possibilities, too. We own about 15 mics here in the studio and this was well thought out and honestly one of the easiest decisions we could have made.

@analogpajamas

3 жыл бұрын

Milan Recording Studios that’s wonderful- great to hear you are digging the new addition to the mic locker! The R88 isn’t a mic for all occasions, especially in less than great rooms, which I feel some ‘samples’ are recorded in. My fave Neumann’s are U67’s or M50’s, but U87’s are no slouch. Thanks for the great videos- digging what you’ve got going on.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

We like the tube U67's and they are on the list, I think they could be very good for vocals. We have a tube vintage Sony 37a that we have used for vocals, but it's kind of a quiet mic.

@andrewhocher

3 жыл бұрын

I as well love stereo ribbons. I'd use them on practically all stringed instruments and even as drum overheads. Along with R88's I like Cole 4038's and Royer ribbons.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Ribbon mics are great, but again not as flexible and of course must be handled carefully.

What Preamp did you use for this demonstration?

@milanrecordingstudios9042

2 жыл бұрын

A 1958 Ampex tube that has had many upgrades.

does it matter which mic you pan to either side?

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. You should have the left channel with the stronger bass signal to mimic the sound you would have if you were playing the piano.

@daniroig

3 жыл бұрын

@@milanrecordingstudios9042 thank you! Happy thanksgiving!

Yeah I think that phasing works ... kinda tickles my ears. 😅👍

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Using this system you can listen on a cell phone and it will still sound as good as it can in mono, but with other configurations you could have problems when you listen in a non stereo format.

Am sorry but I can't help thinking that the quality of the microphones has nothing to do with the beautiful piano playing.

How expensive are those microphones, hehe

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

Very expensive, but they are known to last 50 years so....

@keithwalls6316

3 жыл бұрын

$6800

@theo.20

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I thought it's in my price range 🤣

Tube mics don’t use 48Volts they have there own power.

@milanrecordingstudios9042

3 жыл бұрын

U87's are not tube mics. U67's, U47's are tube mics.