Real Vintage Fenders or our Reissues? Oh dear...
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WARNING: this video contains gratuitous vintage guitar tomfoolery and completely illogical fascination with old bits of wood when we really should know better... and there's not that much about pedals.
Plus, if you don't like Fender Strats and Teles, look away now. There is a Two-Rock Studio Pro 35, Analogman King Of Tone, Kingsley Jester and Analogman ARDX20 featured, however.
For anybody still tuned in, Daniel and Mick had the opportunity to go and visit Pete Lewis of Lewis Guitar Works who, as it turns out, had assembled some of his own vintage Fenders, alongside some from friends. We asked if we could take some cameras because...
Daniel and Mick both play reissue, vintage-style Fender guitars and they generate plenty of questions in That Pedal Show videos. So, how about we play some genuine oldies alongside our fave axes and see what's what?
Many of the guitars featured are not absolutely original, pristine examples. You'll find refinishes, new parts and all the other stuff that goes along with playable old guitars, so please don't be telling us that such and such isn't such and such because it doesn't have such and such!
The guitars are:
1959 Fender Esquire
1964 Fender Telecaster
1957 alder body Fender Stratocaster
1961 ash body Fender Stratocaster
1961 alder body Fender Stratocaster
Um, and a couple of reissues - Mick's American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster and Dan's Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster.
They're all played through the Two-Rock Studio Pro 35 head into a custom 1x12 Zilla cab with Celestion G12H-75 Creamback speaker.
TheGigRig G2 handles the pedals and amp effortlessly, as always.
Daniel is now completely in love with the rosewood board ’64 Tele, and Mick just wishes he'd never played any of them. Happy days!
Massive thanks to Pete and Lewis Guitar Works for making this all possible!
Enjoy this video and we'll get back to some more serious pedal stuff next week!
For more on Lewis Guitar Works see www.lewisguitarworks.com
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The way you just said "This is a '61 fiesta red Strat." I would never get tired of saying that. I'd say it every time I picked it up, even if I was by myself. "This is a '61 fiesta red Strat." I'd go back to every forum I was ever a part of and change my 'signature' to "I own a '61 fiesta red Strat." And, just an aside, a Strat into a Two Rock is a disgustingly perfect combination. That is what guitar is supposed to sound like.
@spacejazz6272
8 жыл бұрын
I think you're forgetting the king of tone
@fugamantew
7 жыл бұрын
Zac Miller that's funny bro', and completely true too.
@MoooseBlood
6 жыл бұрын
It is disgusting, frankly I'm disgusted.
@af-lt5he
6 жыл бұрын
+PaseoDeLaEstrella ir pummiced and nippled
@daveywiles6412
5 жыл бұрын
I own a 1960 fiesta red Strat...I play it almost everyday
Unfortunatly, Pete was never seen again... after kindly giving his guitars to Dan and Mick.
@sergejkrynycky728
5 жыл бұрын
What a nice guy!
@RobertJones-et7gh
4 жыл бұрын
Lol
These kind of things should ALWAYS be done as blind tests or without the knowledge of what guitar is which or which is new and old. Because we all know that if you know that its a 61 strat, you'll gonna hear a 61 strat no matter what it sounds. It's not fair. I know this is not a test, but play those blinded and I guarantee you'll have interesting results. People have mistaken Squiers for Custom Shop stuff. It feels different because you make it feel different.
'This is me ...done!'. Love it! Nice to see a guitarist so enthused. :-)
That e chord on the esquire literally gave me chills and made my eyes water. Damn I love guitar. As I get older the great vintage gear just touches me in my special place. My body is ready...
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, me too. It's a sound I'll never forget :)
@amazingme1408
6 жыл бұрын
but is your wallet?
That Esquire sounds unbelievable, That E chord had me laughing out loud just out of pure joy. You lucky bastards! I mean that in the best possible way of course. Keep up the good work fellas.
@capturedbyjupiter
8 жыл бұрын
+Jake St. Roas I'm with you!
Quick reference for myself! 12:26 - 61 Reissue Strat 13:15 - 61 Strat Ash Body 15:13 - 61 Strat Original 17:56 - 57 Strat Original
The 57 strat sounds RIGHT, That is indeed the holy grail.
@ZenDriveSeven
7 жыл бұрын
Oussama Okbi I completely agree! It was on another level.
For me, the two 50s guitars stole the show. The 61 ash Strat was a close second to the 57 though. I know you guys didn't want to say it for fear of causing a KZread shit-storm, but the wood changes and opens up over time. All of the vintage Fenders had that harmonic complexity and open-ness similar to a semi hollow. Just like 50s Les Pauls do. Magnets weakening, and wood aging leads to the best tones. I have a 70s Yamaha acoustic (Martin type thing). While it doesn't get much play (frets are terribly worn), it sits in front of my stereo system at home. The sympathetic vibrations from the speakers mimic hours of weekly play. The difference in tone from when I bought it 20 years ago is tremendous. It's louder, more articulate, and rings for days. The same notion has been put into practice for centuries (literally) with string players making sure to warm up their instruments in the weeks leading up to a performance. This has been common knowledge amongst string players for hundreds of years before the KZread/forum debates on vintage guitars came to be. The complexity of tone is difficult to hear thru KZread, and many people simply don't have the ears for it, but in a room with an instrument the differences are undeniable.
2 causes for the difference in sound between new and vintage. 1. Alnico magnets lose their charge over time. Thats a big reason why they sound different with age. 2. The reason old guitars sound so good is because all the "dogs" have been chucked in the trash, bon fire, broken, busted up or scrapped for parts over the last 40-50 years. The only ones still around, for the most part, are the good ones.
@noobpower96
8 жыл бұрын
yeah, survivor bias.
@johnnydee5658
7 жыл бұрын
That makes sense to me!
@e.tienne6600
7 жыл бұрын
Thomas R. Bowen Yet we seem to recognise the sound of the songs... so there must be more than this
@richardhunter9779
7 жыл бұрын
Yup, never buy a guitar that has barely been played!
@goldmole1
7 жыл бұрын
The bad ones, hardly ever played on, mint condition with the original factory supplied strings and tags still on it are all stowed away in Japanese bank vaults The bumped and scratched ones, those are the ones to have;-)
The pickups in the Fiesta Red '61 are the nicest sounding pickups I have ever heard in my life...!!!
That Esquire is ridiculous. Somewhere Jeff Beck has been inspired to play his old Yardbirds tracks. Just hearing the first E chord made me laugh out loud. Rock and Roll all the way.
Wow. Those hundreds of thousands of dollar guitars sound amazing. Through an amp that costs many thousands of dollars. With a rare, $700 odd dollar pedal.
@soofitnsexy
2 жыл бұрын
you get what you pay for skippy
The Esquier sounded so sick ! Thanks for sharing this eargasmic sounds with us! I have never ever heard other guitar that sounds so rock n roll as the vintage Tele ;)
There definitely something about the ageing process. My dad has an old EKO acoustic, not an expensive guitar but around 40 years old. Left in its case for the last 20, tried it again last year and it is amazing. Hard to explain, it is just so rich in harmonics now compared to before.
this is an awesome video... that Esquire might be one of the best guitars I've ever heard.
This video just shows how personal guitars are to people. Mick sounded amazing on his own and the 61 red strat. And the 59 esquire sounded brilliant with Dan! I once was lucky enough to play two American vintage 59 strats. One was mediocre at best. And one was stunning!
To be honest, I much prefer Dan's Tele to the vintage one - so much punch in that thing. But when Mick first played the old strat... I mean, Dan's reaction is pretty spot on. Amazing.
hey i have a request...would you do some vids discussing historyc amps like vox, the bassman exc...explaining what they're good for? since amp is a huge part of the tone you look for, and a lot of people struggle finding the right one, give us your knowledge! anyway, i loved this one!!!!
@ericgl182
7 жыл бұрын
fabrizio peretti definetely do this! Im in a struggle for a new gigging amp
@manifestgtr
6 жыл бұрын
Both of you...get a bassman ltd with some good tubes... I’ve played clubs, theaters, outdoors, you name it...rock, blues, pop, jazz and the bloody thing has NEVER sounded anything but amazing. Great dispersion, eats up pedals, easy to dial in, you can blend the “channels”, not as heavy as you think. They’re beautiful amps and they’re built to outlast your grandkids...if you want something smaller, the custom 68 vibrolux is just as impressive in many ways
Ah, the vintage vs. new debate. It will never be fully settled. Yeah, some of those old ones sound unbelievable. As someone said, they are the ones that survived, the ones that players kept, and that we still have. The crap was tossed long ago. Maybe that’s it. Yes, the pickup magnets change over time and the wood comes from older stock and has dried out, etc., etc., etc. However, think on this - Clapton’s tone on Bluesbreakers Beano is considered the Holy Grail or whatever for ‘Bursts. His guitar on that record was a 1960 LP. Burst recorded in April 1966. That was a six-year-old guitar. Hendrix played contemporary Strats in the late ’60s which he bought new, mostly at Manny’s (now sadly gone) in NYC. His tone? No more needs to be said. All of those great recordings of Beck’s ’54 Esquire when he was with the Yardbirds were recorded in 1965-66. His beat-up, butchered guitar was only 11 or 12 years old. The great, classic guitar sounds heard on recordings made in the ‘50s were virtually all made by relatively new guitars. All of that said, for the most part, the older guitars that we get to hear and play sound amazing. My older stuff sounds really good, no question. However, by far the best-sounding guitar I currently have (clean, dirty, etc.) is a new John Petrucci JP-13 with a solid rosewood neck. (Edit - I no longer have that guitar as my entire philosophy of getting a good tone has changed and evolved. I now set an amp on clean and manipulate the sound with pedals - compression, clean boost, OD, EQ, etc. Accordingly, I don't require a guitar with pickups that drive the amp into distortion as the Petrucci's do. I like low-power pickups with gobs of harmonic quality. My fave these days is an Epichone Casino with P-90 and a Gretsch Duo Jet with Dearmond Dynasonics.) Anyway, I didn’t make this (long) comment to try to settle this perennial discussion, just to make a few comments that may bear considering.
@oldgittarist
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely true, a lot of the great sounds from 50s/60s/70s were on very 'young' instruments.
@javiceres
4 жыл бұрын
Let alone the recording gear and techniques. They have a massive impact. Dare I say greater than the guitar itself.
@TheEchelon
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's not about the guitars being old, but them being made in the 50's/60's.
@squirelova1815
4 жыл бұрын
@@javiceres Yes, very overlooked fact, not to mention our younger brains were impressively imprinted in wondrous exuberance to be partial to whatever EQ or frequencies were emanating from that music. Andres Segovia called electric guitars "abominations" interestingly enough.
@squirelova1815
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, very overlooked fact, not to mention our younger brains were impressively imprinted in wondrous exuberance to be partial to whatever EQ or frequencies were emanating from that music. Andres Segovia called electric guitars "abominations" interestingly enough.
You have the best show ever...
i would like to see these guys do a blindfold test using a classic vibe up through to mim,mia,custom shop and real vintage teles and see the outcome.
@DIRTBlKE
7 жыл бұрын
1 up
@jakemf1
6 жыл бұрын
Yes this!!
@cupicupi911
5 жыл бұрын
yes
@ake166
5 жыл бұрын
Nobody wants to failed on screen
@javiceres
4 жыл бұрын
Except you can tell which one is finished in nitro. It would require that they all had the same finishing.
The '61 Ash Strat might be my favorite Strat tone I've ever heard...something about the way the upper mids and treble comes through with such clarity! Wonderful and inspiring--you guys are awesome
Ohhhh boy, I finally done it. After fawning over Mick's Strat for so long, I finally found a used '62 American Vintage Strat (not the Thin Skin) online, and at a decent price to boot! All I can say is TONE!!! I just love it. It's my new favourite! And to think...I almost bought the new American Standard Strat, which i actually like less than my Squier Classic Vibe Tele. Thanks again guys for being my favourite show ever!
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
+UnchainedMelody86 great work !
They all sounded great. I think a lot of the vintage vibe comes from the lower output pickups.
So much musical mojo in that room. I imagine the owner goes in there to write and finds books of sheet music on his chair left by the guitar fairies living in the closet.
I can’t stop rewatching this, these guitars sound like heaven. That Fiesta Red 61’ is like cool breeze in the desert, just immaculate especially in the mid tones.
This is a very honest video. People selling new guitars don't want to hear this. I owned and had to sell ,to to buy an apartment with my wife, a 1964 Stratocaster. I don't know if they were all great but this guitar was magnificent! Everyone who picked it up was amazed. I can only guess the wood was great back then and its all gone now... However, a great tune played on any decent instrument will connect with people. So go ahead and be creative and don't worry that your not playing a pre CBS Strat/Tele or "59 Les Paul.
I think that Mick's 61 reissue sounds funtastic
that '61 fiesta red strat sounds incredible.
My goodness those strats!!! Made your blue strat sound dull haha. Great, great, great sound!
10:34 it doesn't get ANY better than this tone wise for me.. LOVE IT
At 7:20 , Mick reveals the secret why vintage Fenders sound better. And it's because they are almost always lighter guitars. It is the wood. I've owned a 1964 Fender Strat since 1979, and I know it sounds the way it does because it's just a very lightweight Strat. The wood Fender was using back then came from trees with larger cells. Probably trees that grew faster than the trees of today. And that's why reissues don't ever sound like the real vintage guitars, because while everything has been replicated to the ninth degree, the wood hasn't grown the same way as the originals. I own a couple dozen guitars now, and the most vintage sounding ones are the one's that weigh the least. Under 7 pounds is the key. My 64 weighs 6.5 pounds.
@naujelbr
6 жыл бұрын
I own a 69 Mustang, and while it is not anywhere near as pricey or collectible as these guitars, the sound is incredible compared to anything else I've played. It weighs nothing, maybe 5.5 pounds. It's made of Poplar, which is a part of why it's so light. Within the first few hours of playing it I was convinced the weight was what made it sound so resonant. I can feel the body ringing with almost every note, not just chords. The veneer fretboard is also very hard compared to the modern Strat I own. I believe this gives notes just a bit more intonation. Whenever given the choice, buy the lighter guitar, always. This is my number one factor in buying guitars moving forward. Much older, dryer wood was available back when these vintage guitars were made, and with the very thin lacquer it truly makes the difference. Those who don't believe in the resonance of these older guitars simply haven't played one.
@superiormind2511
6 жыл бұрын
I recently purchased a 2014 Indonesian Squier Strat, and it's one of my favorite guitars now. This particular alder body is very lightweight for a Strat, and the sound of this guitar is easily as good as Dan's '63 NOS Custom Shop Tele. It's in the wood, but the pickups are critical too. What time and use do to pickups is interesting.
@JoaoCarlos-dg2df
6 жыл бұрын
lol
@R.G.B-tv
5 жыл бұрын
I own a 1978 Stratocaster which is heavier than any other guitar on the planet (true) and everybody says how amazing it sounds! ..it eats other guitars for breakfast haha
@sempercompellis
5 жыл бұрын
Any and all tonewood debates can be answered the same way as asking what happens when you put nylon strings on an electric guitar- think about your answer and why you arrived at that answer and you will realize fairly quickly you have been duped
Anyone else here to remember when Dan fell in love with his 65 Tele?
This is by far my favorite show right now. I am learning tons of stuff about guitars, amps and pedals while having fun. Watching you feels like hanging out with two fellow music freaks who have access to all the cool gear I can't afford, fooling around with toys like its christmas. The fact that you have so much fun while taping the show makes it even more enjoyable. So please keep up the good work. And don't worry about having to talk about rigs in every show, you could be talking about string materials, showing how it affects the sound, and I would still find it interesting.
You guys look like you're having too much fun. And this is what it's all about. If it isn't fun, then it's probably too much work. Thanks for making me smile.
I think this is destined to go down in history as the greatest guitar fetish video of all time Great job as alway
@TheGigRigDaniel
9 жыл бұрын
Ha! Awesome :)))
Now this, is a bloody good video!
Hate to open a bag of worms, but it really is possible to make Mick's Strat and Dan's Tele sound and feel much, much more like the vintage guitars. I only know because I listened to Alan Hind's KZread videos about Virgil Arlo pickups. I fell for it and replace the custom shop Texas Special pups in my 1960 reissue Strat. The results were literally stunning. It's been weeks and I still can't believe how clear, open and response the instrument has become. Hind thinks these are the best pups on the market and even though my experience is limited I'm inclined to agree. Worth a listen.
Make you want to cry! Amazing character from the oldies. A well known British sound engineer/producer said that modern pickups are too bright.
I dont care who disagrees that esquire is the sound of rock
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
Yep, just unreal :)
@AidanMillward
8 жыл бұрын
+Wadenkrang Guttenberg Sounds like a Les Paul Jr, but just shy of being fat enough
@AslanW
8 жыл бұрын
I agree, yet I kind of dislike tele-style guitars, but that E-chord being rung out over and over just had me speechless
@AllanAndersonMusic
8 жыл бұрын
100% agree
@marcushogan6613
7 жыл бұрын
The Esquire was nuts and that 57 Strat might well be the best vintage guitar I've ever heard
Those vintage guitars sound great but I feel that most of it is in our heads. lol
@liligman
6 жыл бұрын
Retro Joe I look at vintage guitars like vintage cars, the new ones can run the same or better obviously but the vintage have the character, charm, and the spirit rather than it just being a machine. Both get the job done no doubt
@millmoormichael6630
5 жыл бұрын
Enough for me..
@Glicksman1
5 жыл бұрын
Well, everything is in our heads. However, it's more than that, we can hear differences and mostly the older ones sound better but for reasons we may speculate upon but know not. Maybe it's , as Mr. Bowen wrote, we only hear the survivors after all the rubbish has been tossed.
@RichusRkr
4 жыл бұрын
part of it is the feeling that you're holding history in your hands. it's also the age of the wood..
@InGrindWeCrust2010
3 жыл бұрын
Late '64 is CBS? I had a '66 and a refinished '68 Telecaster, and they were really cool. Sounded great and the old, dry wood and naturally worn finish felt great. I played with a guy with a "closet queen" lightly worn '64 Strat, same deal. And yes, I wish I'd kept them. They did not sound better than quality newer guitars, however. YMMV
I literally created a youtube account to like your show. It is awesome. I will buy a t-shirt soon. I haven't read the comments so I apologize if this is redundant but...you must do this again without knowing what guitar you are playing. I would love to see you try to determine whether you are playing a vintage instrument or reissue. Without cheating by feeling physical components. Like many commenters, I would also love to see what you recommend and what you can do with cheaper pedals.
This is the best comparison video, I have ever found in KZread. American vintage 62 sounds so thin when comparing to the originals. I also have AVRI 62 and I feel disappointed knowing that even customshop can't even nail the vintage tone with that price tag.
None of them, 7'25 radius and small frets are a PITA. Soundwise they are marvellous though, and a beauty to behold.
@RorysIrishTour
7 жыл бұрын
i love small frets
@johnsmith-sm6mh
7 жыл бұрын
RorysIrishTour me too I also love Rory Gallagher 👍🏻
So when the owner of that Esquire opened the case again, did he get it back or did he get your red custom shop reissue? XD
@andrewcruz7595
3 жыл бұрын
THIS IS A VERY OLD COMMENT BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION HAH
You guys are simply the best!!! Keep the faith and your true passion for wires and wood. 👍👍👍
in my opinion the 64 sounded like a tele, dan's tele sounded outrageous lika always, and I love that sound, but the esquire... man that thing is the reason I come back to this video so often
Holy shit the 57 Strat sounds so so good. That's a special guitar fosho.
Like always with these kinds of tests, I feel there'a a lot of 'confirmation bias' here. Understandable, I'd wet myself too if I got to play a pre CBS Fender. But try blindfolded and then tell us which is which. There was quite a noticeable difference between the first 2 Teles. But honestly I preferred the sound of the vintage reissue. But because it's not the genuine vintage one, the 'bigger' tone is declared 'too in your face'. If it was the other way around we'd be gushing about that bigger tone and how much more present it sounds. Here's some reference points to hear the 2 tele neck pickups: 4:55 7:10 7:27 10:20. The Strat's sounded practically identical to me, apart from the 57, which kind of sounded slightly mellower - interestingly because maple necked guitars are a bit brighter sounding generally. Kind of like the tone was rolled back slightly. Possibly due to different magnets, older, weaker magnets, or higher cap values. But again, have a listen to these time stamps - can you really hear a significant difference between the rosewood ones? Apart from the Ash one being a little brighter? Would you notice it on a recording or at a live gig? 12:26 13:14 15:13 17:55 I'm not saying there's 'no' difference - but I am saying the jaw dropping and the gushing and exclamations of the 'amazing' difference is greatly exaggerated. I love vintage. I love the history and the broken in feel and the woody tone. But sometimes it's just 'better' because we decide it's better. Maybe it's more obvious in person than on my computer monitors. I mean they sound fantastic, they really do. But I think those vintage reissues sound just as good. Click between 12:26 and 13:14. Is it really an 'amazing' difference? ('that's rediculous' the comment was). Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the video - really interesting to compare and I'm jealous of these guys getting to play these lovely guitars!
I have returned to this video over and over. It's immensely fun to see the two of you so giddy while playing those amazing, vintage guitars, BUT it's also a bit demoralizing. I have always wanted a 1960 slab board tele (in sherwood green). I know that I'll never be able to own the real thing, so I have been searching for a Custom Shop version with the specs I want (vintage the whole way, except for 6105 frets and modern wiring). The search has been in vain. It seems to be almost impossible to find a Custom Shop off the shelf with a 7.25 radius, so I finally bit the bullet and commissioned one after working out how I'd pay for it without being irresponsible. It's supposedly one month away from being completed, and I am extremely excited about finally having it in my hands after a ten month wait, BUT that excitement is slightly tempered by the fact that, as much as I'm sure I'll love it, I know it won't really be all that close to the real thing.
only started watching TPS a few months back...came from the Anderton's camp. This is your oldest video I've seen so far! Loads of videos on YT are enjoyable to me, but none really stick with me. Absolutely loved that guys. You guys enjoying it so much..it's what we all play for. they sound great and every time they surprised you I think we made the same noises.
I’ve learned that the Fender Custom Shop just rips off collectors with their pricing. How can you charge $5-6K for a custom shop guitar when it’s not that close to an actual vintage. Fender needs to put more time into working on tone from the pickups instead of worrying about superficial shit like relicing. At least they are closer to their vintage pickups compared to Gibson. Gibson totally misses the mark with their custom buckers (worst name for a pickup too) and they charge even more out of their custom shop. Gibson had a whole superficial division, the Murphy Lab.
@apo11o38
2 жыл бұрын
For 6k you can find the real deal too. If you can't afford that just order some Rumplestiltskin pickups and any normal strat sounds closer than the high priced "reissues"
It was stated early in the video that the red Custom Shop Tele took a while to become the amazing guitar it is. Let's be honest, all the "Relic", "NOS", "Road Worn", whatever guitars are still NEW guitars. No matter what "aging" process they put them through during manufacturing, they are still new instruments. Old guitars are inherently different simply because of age. The truth I have come to realize is that guitars get better (more comfortable) with age. Whether there is "magic" in vintage instruments or not is another debate. A fact in my life is that the late 1980s Fender American Standard Stratocaster I bought new in 1987 or 1988 is today the best playing, most comfortable, most reliable guitar I own. It just happened that way and I don't think I would have said those things about that guitar when I got it.
@MrSammy1776
9 жыл бұрын
+Ty Barnes Its funny you said that,I have played just about every guitar in my 40 years.And the best guitar for sound and feel is my 89 tele.On paper it should be crap,its covered in think POLY and is more resonant than any nitro tele i own.Personally, i dont buy into the shit in this video.These guys are gear geeks,like the 80's on steroids,i could put anything in their hands say it was from 1960's and they would love it.
@jameshughes6156
6 жыл бұрын
Ty Barnes I’m a bit late here u have an 88 too brought brand new in 89. Torino red. Great guitar btw looks new with the polyester paint. I used it for awhile but I needed hbs in my life.
@pharaohsneferu5516
6 жыл бұрын
All the old records were recorded on guitars like the custom shop ones.. same spec, and they were still almost new 50 years or so ago. I mean no one was recording on 50 + year old guitars back in the 50's and 60's LOL
@paulmyfinger
5 жыл бұрын
I have an Ibanez JS1 from 1992 and it has never felt or sounded better
Too bad you guys are not having any fun!! When I was 17 I bought a 1954 Telecaster from the original owner for $100. (Hey,, they were only $250 brand new then in CA.) Played it for over 30 years. Really enjoyed hearing those vintage teles!
I like teles a lot but i also like strats. The bridge pickup on the 57 was the best of the bunch
Try putting some weaker pickups in your new guitars. They might just suddenly sound like the vintage guitars.
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
I've done this SO many times. The pickups, although a huge element, are only part of the picture. My tele for example has very weak original spec pickups. And it sounds great, I love it, but there's no denying that these old guitars really connected with me, they're very special guitars
@mr.p3ncil157
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheGigRigDaniel You need to try Tonerider TRT1 pickups
those old pickups are slightly microphonic which is why they sound so good. Had a few 50's juniors that proved it all the killer ones had the body tone coming through from the microphonic pickups
@capturedbyjupiter
8 жыл бұрын
+Mak McQueen they mentioned it
@mybluemars
8 жыл бұрын
+Mak McQueen Then where can I get me some slightly microphonic pickups?
@makmcqueen8634
8 жыл бұрын
Try a vintage les paul junior or tele you will find them. ;)
@AbeldeBetancourt
8 жыл бұрын
+Matt “Marshall” Bruce they are quite bad for live stuff. You just want to try and discharge a little bit your pickups' magnet for more warm / not harsh tone.
@makmcqueen8634
8 жыл бұрын
+Mario V Very very true, my vintage guitars are useless live, even a 50 watt Marshall proves too much.
Oh sweet fender silver anniversary on the wall, such uniq finish on it, and it age great. Some sweet pieces there amps, guitar everything great room
That "64" Tele IS divine indeed! I love that vintage woody sound of that original. There is something about those original vintage guitars that cannot be replicated.
I ldig That Pedal Show ... Bon voyage Captain & Monkey Lord ... This is my new pedal / guitar channel ... More informative and mature ... definitely not so Monty Python meets Sponge Bob Square Pants like that other channel ...great channel
@user-pi2xl4jw3e
8 жыл бұрын
+luckyno888 And these guys dont hard-pan their guitar to one side, like those other two. :)
@capturedbyjupiter
8 жыл бұрын
+luckyno888 Which is why lee basically absorbed them lol. They started a new channel and work with Andersons as well as continuing that pedal show. Lee is no dummy and each channel is easily accessible and great but can also clearly cater to different demographics. I love both. They are my tops above the other gear related channels, some of which are great in their own right.
@BigEdWo
8 жыл бұрын
+luckyno888 the main difference is, those guys really can play. sponge bob isn't bad but nothing compared to these guys. by nothing i mean nothing.
@AidanMillward
8 жыл бұрын
+BigEdWo I like Lee's demos, but Chapman has to saturate the shit out of everything so everything just sounds the same while having to be held at gunpoint to play a clean sound.
@BigEdWo
8 жыл бұрын
***** i think lee is getting better and better. he's starting to sound pretty nice actually. chapman is a good player too. he's fast and his notes sound clear and fine. but, as you say, everything sounds the same. and i believe lee's progress might be a problem for chapman. he likes to pretend to be the super star which gets harder and harder now. but the main difference to the pedal guys is, they got rhythm, they groove. i was on the wrong path too. you need to have rhythm, that is what counts.
I wonder if the more "mellow" quality to the sound of the vintage guitars is due to the age of the magnets in the pickups?
4 жыл бұрын
I think both definitely!
@AndreaAustoni
3 жыл бұрын
@ Apparently magnets do get weaker but over really long periods of time, much more than a few decades. Magnets made today are stronger than back in the day and that is why old guitars sound different, not their age.
Those wonderful pickups of the old Fender's are just it. I'll never understand why they've changed them over the years. They would sell ton's more guitars if only they were making them like the older ones.
Every guitar is different and sounds great when you love playing it. I'd prefer owning several cheap but very different guitars, than owning only one expensive one. Each guitar inspires me in a different way. A cheap strat, a cheap jazzmaster or jaguar and a cheap hollowbody is a perfect mix of guitars for me.
Well... its pretty clear what you guys should do. Sell, sell, sell... and then buy your own old Fender :-)
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
Yep :)
The sound of those guitars on my headphones is sounding better than most of the recorded guitars on my favourite albums. Why they just produce those sounds so much? That raw sound would be amazing.
I am discovering so many channels adjacent to ones I already follow lately. What is up with the KZread algorithm? I never knew this other channel existed until this moment! Ive been following "That Pedal Show" for a while now. Why havent I heard of this one before? Hey Dan and Mick!
That vintage Tele was amazing; best sounding guitar in the whole video. Buttttt the bridge pickup of that 2-color burst Strat ('57 I think) was incredible. I'm a Strat guy, and that bridge pickup made me drool.
The day someone offers me a chance to "come and see" a 57 Strat is the day I become a criminal.
@bingcrosbyfanman2774
4 жыл бұрын
Matt Gilbert lol
If I had a time machine... I'd go back and see what the vintage instruments sounded like when new... would they have been as good 'off the shelf'? Or has time made them better? (Woulds drying more, pickups ageing and mellowing...). I used to work in a guitar shop, so got to try a fair bit of used and vintage bits that came in. Some old early 60's strats, which were frankly awful, some utterly fantastic 60's Gibson 330's that stick in the memory....
I'd be interested to hear the difference between two guitars of the same era, where one has been well played in & the other kept in containment. My initial guess would have been that a vintage guitar has a different sound to it because it has breathed and moved a lot since its production. However, I suppose what is interesting is that the intrinsic sound of that vintage Tele is one that defines the music of its generation. Which means that that guitar potentially sounded the same back then, fresh off the press, as it does now. Now that is fascinating. Imperfection is a huge contributor to dynamics so it may be that the production techniques of old made for less consistent products, but yielded more 'musical' instruments occasionally as a result. I think the more we refine something, the more narrow its range becomes. A bit like creating a beautiful watercolor painting and then outlining everything. It's still an amazing painting with now sharper & more refined edges, but it's not as warm as it used to be. I think the subjective aspect is really one of feel changing the way you play. The sound from the vinatge tele vs Dan's tele is noticeably different, even through the recording.
@TheLillypad101
4 жыл бұрын
Time and variables like these are the biggest factors I question
@topdog91
4 жыл бұрын
Guitars don't "breathe". You're anthropomorphizing. They're wood and metal.
@shredx81
4 жыл бұрын
topperdoggle It’s a figurative description obviously. Wood is porous.
LOL....."It doesn't have the pickup that it doesn't need." Mick, Tell us more about your affection for tele neck pickups.... This show is the greatest....even when I disagree. Thanks guys!
somehow love the 63' nos tele most...
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
+noelzhu1986 it's a superb guitar :)
They all sound amazing but that Esquire is ridiculous!
You're SO lucky. Most of us mortals will never get the chance to play even one instrument that sound like those, let alone half a dozen in the same place at the same time!😢
Ooooh man!!! That was a pleasant 31min video to watch... Loved it! Thanks for sharing. As a bass player, I was hardly into vintage basses until I've got my 1974 Rickenbacker 4001. There is just something you can't explain about old instruments.
Umm....OK! Had to crack another, but wont say no.
@TheGigRigDaniel
9 жыл бұрын
+Benjamin Klein Easy there Ben ;)
Maybe it's best not to even play any nice vintage guitars unless you can afford them.
@TheGigRigDaniel
9 жыл бұрын
+Lawrence Gillespie I think you're right Lawrence
This is very informative and showcases the tangible differences between wood and how it truly impacts tonality of the guitars. I have been a Les Paul and Strat fan for years but listening to Dan's guitar playing has made me into a Tele believer. Your show has become one of my favorite due to how you really delve into the topics.
what a great video -I was smiling and in awe right along with you guys-I have played quite a few vintage strats and some of them are just indescribable -you made me rush over a pull my tele out of the case and have a go with the bridge pickup-your playing was also a pleasure to listen to-thanks
Teles are such underrated guitars
these guys make me want to spend money
I watched a well known vintage guitar store demo video from a couple years ago recently. I won't name the store or the guest player who is a pro, not nationally known, but well known in his area. He was demoing an early 60's Olympic white/rosewood neck Strat that had all the right wear, it looked fabulous. He was playing through an all original '64 Vibroverb. I eased back in my chair ready to be blown away by what in my opinion is a dream rig. The disappointment was immediate and lasted through the whole demo. I don't know what was to blame. Could have been my ears, amp settings, his playing, the guitar, or all of the above. It sounded totally dead and flat. No sparkle, no chime, no bell tone, no bite, no smoothness, no growl, not any of the variable possibilities of tone you expect from a played-in vintage Stratocaster and vintage amplifier. There were a few people that said the tone was underwhelming but many more who said it was amazing. My point is that tone is such a subjective thing. To try to break it down into its component elements is like a cat chasing its tail.
The tone you get from that '64, Dan is immense! This has fast become my go to channel on youtube.
Yes yes very nice. But how do they sound through a Gorrila 10 watt with a DS-1???
@BenCaffrey
9 жыл бұрын
Ah well that's ok, vintage gear can be problematic, I have an old Zoom2020 if you want? Just go direct........
@TheGigRigDaniel
9 жыл бұрын
+Ben Caffrey Mick says: Shiver.
@BenCaffrey
9 жыл бұрын
Daniel TheGigRig tell Mick I remember some of those early Guitarist mag demos..... We all remember......
@TheGigRigDaniel
9 жыл бұрын
+Ben Caffrey Mick says: Blimey, so do I! We were so earnest in those days, all serious and whatnot. Still, all my licks are the same so some things never change!
@TheLankyJake
8 жыл бұрын
+Ben Caffrey Best comment ever!
Just here watching this for the 30th time.
@njuham
6 жыл бұрын
Only my 4th...
I love when you guys stare at each other when you're really digging in. I do that too. Love the show. Cheers.
I've been watching your videos intently for the past few days now and I think you've cracked it!!... The format for a proper pedal/amp/guitar demonstration video is here. You have a good dynamic together and it's very informative and you can both play. The sounds you get are awesome. It's refreshing to watch people demo gear and know what they're talking about. Could you possibly do a video where you demo the Line 6 Helix, AB'd against the pedals they have modelled? Cheers guys. Keep the videos coming.
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Holland cheers Sam. To be honest, I'm not really feeling the helix, just not my thing. I think the platform is very clever though, and lots of guys really dig them. Not sure, let me think about it ;)
@SamHolland
8 жыл бұрын
+Daniel TheGigRig Nice one man. Totally get what you're saying. The jump from analogue would be a tough one. Cheers
Then we have Johan Segeborn comparing a 70's strat to a brand new squire and they sounded very very close.
@thechannelforeverything2170
6 жыл бұрын
Steve James "Let's go"
@bumblefritz
6 жыл бұрын
"Hi, today we're gonna scheck out..."
Mick at 25:36 looks disappointed that he chose to use a strat in all your videos
Watching you two absolutely loose your minds at Gear is a pleasure to watch. It reminds me of a time I picked up a Taylor acoustic at guitar guitar and had to walk away from it. The smile that stuff brings to a guitarists face is like nothing else on earth. 👍
"can you meet me again" classic moment, well done!!!
I dare these guy and anyone else to do this but blind folded! I this has been done over and over and the difference between a 1964 and a 2004 is almost indiscernible. This obsession with things from the past blinds everything these guy do. NO doubt the tone is different but how much different? I prefer the red tele to the old one!
...aren't we exaggerate a little bit here..? I mean, it would be "INTERESTING" swapping pickups from the vintage to the reissue ones (iiif it was possible) and then playing again. All the guitars sound different and the 59' tele sounds better, but seriously, there's no "mojo" in vintage guitars, at least not ONLY in vintage guitars, it's just a player-instrument connection and is totally personal. Vintage guitars, especially Fenders were the "cheap" guitars of the era, it's what people could buy, masterbuilders now do way better job than then, the only difference is that vintage guitars HAVE BEEN PLAYED! (and psychological reasons) Stop considering any guitar God-like and play the freaking one in the corner of the room!
The Tele guy plays a mean rock rhythm on the 59. Beast! Thanks for the vid!
You guys are great. you have the perfect amount of gear geekism and humor. I really appreciate your genuine appreciation of great tone.
I have never in my life seen such a public display of nerding out over guitaraphilia, lads. Have you no shame but to lose your cool in such a wanton display of love, lust and (heretofore) unmentionable desire? Now go do your homework. No more guitar for you two tonight.
@TheGigRigDaniel
9 жыл бұрын
... but Mick made me do it
@J1JL
9 жыл бұрын
+Daniel TheGigRig hahahha great answer on the coolest respond
There is no magic to old guitars, they are wood and wire. I played a real '57 Goldtop, and my '96 R7 played and sounded much better. One of my customers sold his '62 Strat, and brought a new '62 reissue to me for a set up. He said the new one was every bit as good as his real '62 was, but he now was $40k richer. I cringe when I hear that a '59 Burst is worth north of $400k, because there's no secrets, no magic. It's an old guitar, I think the reissues are just as good (and many times better), but you'll never hear it's owner say that. He's spent a fortune on it, he'll never concede that new guitars can be just as good. Jimmy Page played vintage Les Pauls because Gibson stopped making them for 8 yrs or so. It wasn't 10 yrs old yet, at the time you could buy one for under $400.
That '63 neck pickup is ridiculous. The voice of angels.
@TheGigRigDaniel
8 жыл бұрын
+intrsoul yeah, just crazy
At first I was disappointed to see that you wouldn't be talking about pedals, but ... OH MY, those guitars sounded spectacular, especially the 57 Strat and the 59 Esquire. Great video!