Here is my REACTS videos playlist - its purpose is for us all learning from other people's 4x4 drives. - kzread.info/head/PLxCUUqtm329plBAWaZBTGQolmUBJnXMDU

The green bridal is also pulling the recovery points inside. Never make a triangle. Depending on angles the force pulling inside can be even larger than pulling force due to geometry. That's a way to rip out points that should be pulled to mostly forward direction also.

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

That’s called the fleet angle and yes there is certainly forces being applied as you say.

Couldn't watch this past the guy holding the winch lines, What a ?

I don’t know about or have much experience recovering, but watching these vids I realize that there are a lot of people who also don’t know anything about recovery, but pretend to. I now know that if or when I am in a recovery situation, i will need to double check every and not rely on pretend experts. Thank you for making these vids!

@MadMatt4WD

2 ай бұрын

My pleasure.

Absolutely crazy unsafe recovery. These blokes are extremely lucky nothing failed... no doubt someone would have been injured.

I’ve learned so much from you mate. I feel a lot safer because of it!

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Well one day I’ll teach you to play music. 😂😂

@officialWWM

Жыл бұрын

@@MadMatt4WD lol, deal!

Appears to be a simple case of economics, oversize tires and lift shackles are far more valuable than a snatch block and a tree saver strap... right up until you find yourself in that situation. Good stuff, keep it up Matt!

A great way to learn. Well done Matt. More of this please.

Another great video and hope it helps a lot of new 4 wheelers on how to do recoveries right.

Matt, perhaps the Gent standing next to the winch lines was tuning them for a specific frequency? I wonder how they got it back home. I would guess that this was a home-built rig.

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

A two string guitar

@johnfitzgerald5158

Жыл бұрын

​@MadMatt 4WD haha. That guy was the winch rope whisperer.

In outdoor climbing courses you learn pretty early on not creating a triangle with the anchor as seen in the green strap. This is called an "American Death Triangle". It amplifes the forces which increases the likeilhood of a catastrophic failure.

Thank you for sharing 🇺🇲🤗🙏🏆

Thanks Matt, good job.

THANK YOU. GREAT analogy.

@MadMatt4WD

11 ай бұрын

You are so welcome

They definitely got themselves into a rough spot… I’m glad no one got hurt here. Recovery is definitely something I need to improve myself.

Another great reaction video, I really enjoy watching these, and always learn at least one thing each time. Good Job Matt!

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. We have a few more lined up. If you have something send it through.

Great vid👍👍. That was wrong in so many ways! Guy holding the winch line probably built the rear a that truck, makes sense... Lake Havasu 🌞 Az USA

I'm completely new to the 4X4 world as I just recently bought a 2019 Hilux and your videos are very informative. I live in a country in which off roading is border line impossible but plan on moving soon to a country in which it is a lot more present. I'll probably be learning for 1-2 years before my first off road adventure so I definitely subscribed.

great job Matt, if we dont use other these examples to learn from and critically (but politely) discuss then we as a community will never grow, great work at being fair, humble and critical at the same time, its not easy. thank you.

nice teaching point

great video matt ! I've learnt a lot from your videos 🙏👍

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for encouraging me.

Great video Matt. There really was some interesting things going on in that vid. The setup screams lack of experience to me, as there are very few situations where you have to throw something together with no time to think about it, this was not one of those situations.

@berndeikers8924

Жыл бұрын

the setup of the vehicles and what matt mentioned about the channel points to an offroad club or something like this. so they have some experience, but i am with you what is missing is knowlegde and common sense.

That's a great big American Death Triangle in the snatch strap at 1:44! In terms of climbing/abseiling and anchor building, this is a big no (and that's just with 100kg loads), as it multiplies the force through your anchor points, instead of sharing the load.

That broken rim also looks like it has a huge negative offset! Thanks MadMatt, good video to learn from!

They do things a little differently in Chile by the looks of it...

I wish you good health and prosperity.

Thanks Matt. Not that I use wheel spacers butI do run high offset rims on the rear of my 76 series, I'm aware of the extra load on the rear shafts as such I do have to replace the bearings more often. Thanks for the content. Cheers

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

The 76 wheel bearing design is close to a full floating design so they can handle a bit more load. An excellent mod is to remove the axle seal and run the bearing in diff oil. Add an extra 100mls through the diff breather to account for this. Also flex the axle left and right before driving to ensure the oil is in the bearings. After that the oil will always find its way in and out of the bearings.

Another Good vid mate. Here’s a comment to appease the algorithm 👍

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Greatly appreciated. Thanks kindly

Totally agree with you, Matt. They need more and better equipment if it can be afforded.

@HardstylePete

Жыл бұрын

That jeep is running large treps. Those aren't cheap tyres.

A boy got stuck down the road from me and when I went to pull him out I told him go hook it up because it was knee deep mud and I wasn’t going in it. He claimed he could do it because he’s worked on a farm before. Wrapped my winch extension line around his hitch crossbar and hooked it back to itself. I was so far away I couldn’t see it so when I got him back to the road there was my wire rope with a crimp in it. What’s great is he got mad when I made him pay for it.

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Good on you for getting him to pay.

That is a messy situation waiting to happen a what we're you thinking mate moment if that winch line let go imagine everyone that is in the way they would have no chance of getting out of the way but definitely an eye opener wow😮

The thing I don't understand, and something you didn't mention in the video, was why did the bystanders have to stand so close to the action? I know cameras can be deceiving, but it's almost as if they are standing in between the vehicles.

@nuggets.6774

Жыл бұрын

I think he criticised at least two blokes who were standing around in dangerous positions and adding nothing to the recovery? Why do they do it? Natural selection?

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

I did mention that.

@cameronwood1994

Жыл бұрын

@@MadMatt4WD I saw you mention the nutcase holding the rope, but having watched it again, the bystanders weren't mentioned. Either that or I'm missing something!

Hi all , we are raised in a country where from a young age o,h,and s is tought to us. We grow up watching mum and dad drive ,so we learn as young people about safety and improving situations . Granted not all learn though but when we look into the culture of people in different lands , human life is not always high on the agenda. I thought you raised another good discussion point and im glad you don't do hate videos. There's alot to be said for old mate standing with his head at the winch line , doesn't matter where on the planet you're from that is not a good idea!!!

Having the recovery strap attached to both anchors in a triangle shape causes the forces on the anchors to be multiplied. Depending on the angle between the "legs" of the strap the force multiplication can be as much as 4 times the load. This causes the "compression" of the two attachment points to try and squeeze together creating a greater tendency to bend things and break software components.

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Having the fleet angle correct is important.

You can’t put a old head on young shoulders. Great Vid Matt. I liked how you broke it down. Safety Safety safety. Keep up the great work. 👏👏👏

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Thanks kindly Jack

hi matt, i like it. most of it i like your attitude to take that video to show whats going on in a calm way. i couldnt believe what i saw. this is mind blowing besides what you mentioned, i would lke to point out, that the rescue vehicle are positioned quite unlucky. - the hoods of the rescue vehicles should be opened. in case the lines snapes they go right into the windshields, hopefully not into the cabin - the winchlines should be secured with some bags - the complete scene should be cleared from people. ronny dahl did a impressive video of snapping winchlines. i hope you wrote a comment to the video. but at the end of the day, it seems they got the job done and nobody got hurt.

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Good points. I like your last point in that it highlights the grey of recovery. Little is black and white during recovery.

Who forgot the bag with the snatch block and bow shackles?

THANK YOU FOR SHARING VIDEO LIVING IN MAD WORLD TODAY AND PERSON WILL TRY OTHER DOING THINGS IN LIFE USED WINCH IN RECOVERY OR OVER LOAN THERE TRANSPORT POINT IS DANGOURS BE ON ROADS GO WATCHING OTHER FROM PART WORLD IS WILD THINGS DO TRANSPORT AND 4X4 THAT PUT LIFE IN DANGER TIMES OVER THERE AS NOT CARE ABOUT OTHER PERSON

Highway to the danger zone, danger zone...🤣🤦‍♂️👈

Cool video. But that hilux chassis doesn't have recovery points. That strap is attached to leaf spring mount and wrap through them. You can buy aftermarket hook style recovery points or install a bullbar. But factory that chassis 78-96 don't have recovery points, im assuming cause leaf spring mounts come to the very front of chassis

@MadMatt4WD

11 ай бұрын

Well said thanks

They need to exercise the cup of tea rule. That is, instead of rushing, making mistakes and doing damage. Step back relax, have a cup of tea. Do the recovery with a clear head.

Desarmaduria is a auto body parts supplier. Maybe they want to advertise that when you rub against a tree with no rear wheel that they can sell you the parts:)

It looks like they had the bridal wrapped through the front leaf springs at the mount. There's no recovery points.

Matt, I'm pretty sure the Jeep was not heavy enough to stay put. I do agree a doubled up line pull from one vehicle, but I think in this case the other vehicle would be needed as an anchor for the winching vehicle so it wouldn't slide.

@jasonhowe1697

Жыл бұрын

John, the jeep or the hilux was heavy enough in a singular pull, not enough spool for a pulley type recovery at this on pulley type recovery are dividing weight capacity not multiplying

hooks had no latches. the strap is around the spring hangers, not recovery points.

Is that bridle actually attached to recovery points? It looks like they're wrapped around front leaf spring hangers.

@jasonhowe1697

Жыл бұрын

lazy man's a frame tow rig, proper a frame tow rig tied to the steer pins

Matt my first thought is they are using the front spring shackles on the front of the car Not rated recovery points (I am on a pc and zoomed in on the picture) The bow shackle connects to the outer side of the right spring shackle and onto the strap then the strap goes behind the left spring shackle and around to where the tow ropes are connected and then it looks like it goes around again behind the bow shackle and to the other side where you see it raised up higher than the first piece and I am guessing it goes back to where the tow ropes and hooks are ... maybe they did this to shorten the length of the strap. It does look like when you see old mate at the front I could see that the rear right wheel is missing and the vehicle is sliding on a log. Soo many people in the danger zone... th man in the red hat is making sure the lines are straight and taught.... I'm not sure but, that wheel in the back of the ute looks like it is put on inside out.. as in, the outside of the rim is closest to the brake rotor.....

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

After we filmed this we decided they had used the front shackles as well good pick up.

A Matt ,there no bag over the pull rope,my partner uses a potato bag,

@MadMatt4WD

11 ай бұрын

Correct. I rarely use them either. But that’s another story.

To me I Doubt they would have recovery points at bet tie downs, i think the used 2 on recovery because weight of 1 vehicle wasn't enough, the chopped 80-200 series most likely had a curb weight of 2-2.5 ton where as the jeep and hilux 1.5 ton to 2ton each with a broken axle dead weight most likely be closer 3-4.5 ton on a 5 ton cable wire you have 2.5 ton pulling strength in pulley base recovery they would need 2 vehicles to act as ballast for the other ..

Life is cheap in South America!

That's in Chile cause of the accents.

I watch some of those short videos from over seas and can't help but to shake my head. I'm no expert but I could see better locations for the winch vehicles to be set up that would have been closer and allowed for a double line pull nice and easy. Also no winch dampener blankets in sight and on the left hand side of the vehicle being recovered did they even have a recovery point or was that just wrapped around the suspension or something? It looks like it could be a leaf spring front end and just wrapped around the hanger. The strap as well does not look like your typical bridle strap, it looks longer and wrapped back on its self going off that left hand side. Possible a Snatch Strap or at least a winch extension strap.

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

After we’d filmed this we also worked out it was leaf spring front end and the strap was around the hanger.

@OnCountryWithMick

Жыл бұрын

@@MadMatt4WD thought that was the case. It's hard to watch that sort of stuff and not cringe or wonder WTF is going on in their heads.

@jasonhowe1697

Жыл бұрын

@@MadMatt4WD given the dead weight of the broken rear axle there was only limited recovery options!!!!

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonhowe1697 sure but the extra weight of that would not have been that high and with two winches they certainly had other options

@jasonhowe1697

Жыл бұрын

@@MadMatt4WD there might of been other options that might off been used in 20/20 hindsight however factor in terrain and lack of rear axle the like limited options they were recovering a chopped 60/80/100 series ute conversion if i was going to recover that it be a towball hitch tied chassis a-frame (20/20 hindsight)

They may have set up for one winch then ran out of power so just attached the second

@MadMatt4WD

8 ай бұрын

Possibly.

Being an Ozzi, you might not be be aware of how absurdly common this kind of thing is south of the US border. (and some places north of it as well) 🤣

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Oh people doing odd things is absurdly common here too. Lol

Probably asked previously...but...was there ANYTHING done correctly? The log-skid, maybe...but even THAL looked half-assed...

Some South America countries still are third world country😔

Yeah hard to watch and not wonder what they were thinking. The worst this is that it is on KZread so other people may think that is how you do it.👎

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

That’s why I try to show people better ways.

Meanwhile, their parents are busting their ass driving to and from work so that their kids can have all sorts of free time for this Eco terrorism

@MadMatt4WD

Жыл бұрын

Oh you know these guys? I’d love to know more about why they did the recovery this way.