I don't know very much about BTS's band members or anything BTS-related other than I enjoy their music. But this documentary broke my heart. My sons are about their age, and as a mother I'd be devastated to see any child of mine subjected to such unrelenting soul-shattering treatment in their simple quest to chase a dream. Dreams are the most precious of currencies and deserve to be pursued without the stain of prejudice. This ARMY of theirs is probably the only thing that keeps them going in their darkest hours. Thank God for loyal fans.

@winterlate9915

2 жыл бұрын

Their homeland treat them waay worst than this. Even after they won the grand prize (it s called Daesang). The korean show literally let them IN FRONT of TOILET as their place to rehearsal (cz the show didn't give them a place, even to exchange their clothes!). Not to mention the harsh treatment off camera (that left trauma, until now. Even for strong leader like RM of BTS)

@avneetkaur9077

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with u

@user-bt9fd8zz3d

2 жыл бұрын

💜

@Mrs.L.44

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I am a 60 year old ARMY and mother. Often the general public doesn’t understand the bond between BTS & ARMY. I feel like an Auntie where they are concerned and any negative ordeals they go through are heart wrenching. I also feel pride and joy when they happy and achieving their goals. If there is a group who doesn’t deserve this treatment, it is BTS. BTS are such a gift and positive influence for young and old alike. BTS have fans reading literature, learning languages, appreciating art, studying psychology and Greek Mythology, giving to worthy charities, working harder to meet their goals, and loving theirselves. All this is included with having music that we love, dance to during happy times, and lean on during hard times. There is so much more to BTS that the general public doesn’t understand unless they dive into the BTS community and world in effort to learn. Again, thank you for understanding.💜

@squishycoveswena

2 жыл бұрын

"The army is probably what keeps them going in their darkest hours" They have outright said as much. In their special mv for Bulletproof: The Eternal there is even a part where one member, RM, is depicted as plunging underwater and just sinking down and down in this pitch black void until these purple lights depicting army are able to bring him to swim back up again.

Part of the issue is Bang Si-Hyuk himself. When he created Big Hit he openly stated he didn't like the system that the Idol industry had created and he wanted to do better. He from the beginning was rejecting the system that had been established for like 10+ years. So in the Big 3's mind, how dare this songwriter try to come into their space. But adding onto what was said during the Kin Yongdae segment, every time BTS was snubbed or hurt or disrespected, Big Hit pulled them from doing those things. Like after the hamburger thing with Jungkook and other horrible tv variety shows they had been on that's how we got Run BTS, Bon Voyage and In The Soop. Big Hit started making their own content which was further proving that BH and BTS didn't need the Big 3 who controlled the stations and news. So you have a company that let's their Idols have control over music and opinions over many things and you let them talk about more than the stereotypical girls and partying for almost every song and this is what you get. Young adults allowed to talk about issues that many in SK society wouldn't like mental health, school pressure, disparity in societal classes etc. We all like bangers and party songs but sometimes you need an Imagine or This Is America along with your Cell Phone Bling and W.A.P.

@AngelaSealana

2 жыл бұрын

🙌🏻 Fav Comment

@lindademarais6685

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said. They are breaking boundaries by spreading love and inclusion and positivity.

@brownrecluse9261

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome comment ☺️

@marinal.

2 жыл бұрын

facts! very well said. He is really an amazing man Pang PD!

@fp_ilovelies2351

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking again what BangPD had done for the guys, the trust & encouragement he sent since they're even less than nobody, it makes me thankful & love the man more.. It's so rare to meet someone who defies the world for you because he has that much of trust in u, when u don't even trust & know urself

I still remember bawling my eyes out when they lost their grammy this year and the first thing they said was "let's work harder" It was so heartbreaking that they in any way think they were slacking when western artists don't even do 10% of what they do but get put up there. bts has to work 100x harder for what gets handed to western artists

@cristinapoupinho4860

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree! Unfortunately when it comes to Scammy effort means nothing 😢💜

@hunnitbae

2 жыл бұрын

I still am feeling so traumatized I don't wanna hear anything about the 👵 again. It breaks my heart, And Again this year... We Armys know they deserved more thus boxed them in the same nomination to clout on us again. I really don't want it to happen again. BTS doesn't need any validation.

@crystalsnow1138

2 жыл бұрын

I know. I remember when Suga was talking about Dark & Wild and he said that was the first time he realized effort didn't guarantee success. They work so hard, but I really don't know what it's going to take for BTS to really breakthrough in the US to where they are accepted by the general American public and not just American ARMY. Probably a collab with Justin Bieber or another huge American artists might do it.

@laisa__1696

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Meanwhile Kanye is pissing on his Grammys. I was like... what? so frustrated.

@dianam.v.1936

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest, I never expected anything from the Grammys, so that "loss" didn't hit me that hard, but it did give me a vision of things we could focus on more.

the white paper project was probably one of the best projects ARMY had put together. Like gathering tons of facts about the conflict between Japan and Korea... it was honestly insane.

@maliam_

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@jmsj77

2 жыл бұрын

Thats how much ARMY loves BTS. To exert that effort for research and understand is really so admirable

@raeavilez9936

2 жыл бұрын

Doctorate level paper! An amazing piece of writing!

@l3xigee

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I was a completely brand new baby ARMY when this all went down. It was a confusing and kind of scary time (especially if you don't know Korea's history) and that project was such a huge help. Absolutely amazing. 💜

@febbysapulete

2 жыл бұрын

I was already an ARMY back then, but eas not active on twitter, so I didn't know anything about it...

I'm a 74 year-old ARMY, and I'm so very proud of these men; they teach the rest of us what it means to work hard, live our truth, take risks, find our gifts, respect others, make amazing music! May they continue to glow!! Gentlemen, I also appreciate your commentary very much!!

@maggie_857

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

@rochanda8365

2 жыл бұрын

👍

@bada2839

2 жыл бұрын

I am 47 and you are so right.

@Kai-el7rw

2 жыл бұрын

I’m 61 and feel exactly the same! How long have you been ARMY?

@bada2839

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kai-el7rw 10oct 2018 I took my niece to them first London concert and since then I can't stop getting more into it.

The Korean mainstream industry hated BTS for what they stood for. Traditional idols are expected to be perfect. They are not allowed to speak about politics or any personal opinions publicly. BTS came out of the gate professing their opinions through their music. They spoke up about LGBT rights, against the Korean school system, the economic hardships of Korean youth, etc. Add to that they are outsiders in the Korean music industry. No one wanted them to succeed.

I legit can’t watch the Jk and burger bit. My heart breaks for him and he’s a better person than me for forgiving that guy and working with him again.

@koreaRM0613

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. 원래 조세호는 강한사람한테 아부떨고 힘없는사람한테 텃세를 부르는 강약약강 사람이다

@iamai_iggs

2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching the whole thing unfolded real-time, jk's wide-eyed gaze as he subtly signed to the camera to calm the armys on the live stream and naively begged us to not vote for him thinking it would improve the situation. it was when I was still in college and I woke up early to watch it during breakfast before heading to my first class, but the experience left me so sick and angered to my bone that I couldn't focus on any classes for the rest of the day. he's the better person for forgiving that guy, I'm still haunted by jk's eyes every time I see that guy on any other broadcasts.

@aliceabuzo9953

2 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@shinryouzen

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamai_iggs I watched that live too and it was kinda sad because iARMYs watching didnt understand what was going on Nd that we just had to vote so we voted for JK without realizing that he seemed to be silently tell us that he didnt want to win. It was THAT of bad experience that JK didnt want to win. It was his first solo variety too (came without the other members) and it was disappointing how he seemed outcasted by the main crew

@angelajoytorres5622

2 жыл бұрын

I legit didnt watch that since i became an army. My heart cant take that 😔

21:54 "What was the pushback?" The answer is the same for both in South Korea and in the US, and while it looks like racism and xenophobia, it really isn't. The crux of the matter is that BTS rose to the top, and is sustained purely because of their fanbase, and not from any media power. SK's media is largely controlled by the other larger labels, and they were pissed that no matter what they did, they were not able to control BTS' popularity. They tried hard to control the media narrative to focus on their own bands. It's the same with the US. If BTS was owned by a label that was American, and they benefitted and profited from them, it would have been a very different story. BTS has been held down because they didn't need the media power that would typically be used to popularise other artists or bands.

@ystrw

2 жыл бұрын

There is significant racism and xenophobia, though, and several other kinds of phobia as well. You just have to listen to some of the detractors talk- on the air- about 'that lesbian girl group' and 'what's a [Korean] group doing on an American award show?' 'Do any of them even speak English?' 'You can't even tell them apart.' 'They've all had dozens of cosmetic surgeries', and other filth like that to hear it. ARMYs do tend to fly off the handle at a perceived insult, but that's because there've been so many intentional race-based and ethnicity-based insults.

@marinal.

2 жыл бұрын

oh interesting point u have here

@Indijana

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. I would also like to add that, in general, boy or girl bands aren't very respected in the industry in terms of prestige. People usually think they make crop love songs and that's why they hardly win any kind of awards, let alone Grammies. I'm not just taking about K-Pop, I'm talking about any bands in the Western culture. One Direction never won a Grammy, they hardly won any awards even though they were the biggest Western boyband in recent history. Unfortunately, people don't just listen to the music and let it speak for itself. They have this preconceived notion about what constitutes as a boy-/girlband, probably from how it was in the 90s/early 2000s, and they haven't moved on since. They're missing out on a lot of great music!

@maddy6316

2 жыл бұрын

yes, going against the media's control is certainly part of it BUT it's ignorant to say that "it really isn't" racism... there are more than enough clear examples of that racism in the media and from first time reactors. it doesn't have to be an intentional decision for it to still be systemic - it's just ingrained in our society and that's why there are so many people making derogatory comments specifically about bts' ethnicity. just consider for a moment how kpop is consistently portrayed in western media as an industry full of dark awful secrets, despite many of those secrets being the same as western music industries. it's also impossible to say w any certainty that it "would have been a very different story" if bts was owned by an american label - consider the fact that the number of popular asian american artists is incredibly, shockingly small. this isn't bc there aren't talented asian americans, but bc the many talented people aren't being signed or supported in the states. racism and xenophobia cannot be removed from a discussion about bts' struggles, bts themselves have spoken out on this matter.

@Kai-el7rw

2 жыл бұрын

Actually BTS is under Universal music in the US and Hybe owns the record label Ariana Grande and Justin Bieber.

I’m 53 and love them! They changed my world! They came into my life at the right time. They deserve so much respect!❤️❤️❤️

@lovingintenttarot

2 жыл бұрын

Same as you! Same age and I love them :)

@marinal.

2 жыл бұрын

I am 38 and agree they do God's Work!

@vsk_bts

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Army ... I am 36, mom of a 4 year old .... & a blissfully happy women all thanks to BTS for changing my perspective of life in general... 💜🙆‍♀️

@SoulSisMedia

2 жыл бұрын

I turned 52 in July & it was around that time I started diving into BTS…HEAD FIRST & love them to death! Was goin they “it” at the time & they literally pulled me out of the darkness, gave me HOPE (no Hobi pun intended 🥰) & their music made me HAPPY! Was blessed to see them in concert in LA last week (12/1/21) and it is an experience I will cherish forever. I stand with, by & up for BTS 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

@SoulSisMedia

2 жыл бұрын

meant to type “was goin THRU it…”

BTS and BigHit were changing the status quo, was the problem. It wasn't necessarily just that they were more successful than the Big3 groups, but that they weren't playing by the rules. BigHit stood behind BTS and as much as possible, tried to not send them back to shows that have made them uncomfortable or tried to humiliate them: variety shows were dropped almost entirely because of this, music show have gone down to the bare minimum they consider they need - if at all. With no access to traditional media to promote themselves, they created their own shows, promoted heavily on KZread, up to this point where they have their own online media platform that hosts their shows, etc. They talked about subjects considered taboo for idols, such as mental health, politic undertones in lyrics, etc. BigHit allowed BTS to be real in their lyrics, to participate as much as possible, none of which was common at that point. So the industry had on its hands a group that wa not sticking to the rules, and a company that was throwing the rulebook out the window. Instead of begging to have BTS accepted on a show or pay their way into it, BigHit said "fck off" and went to do their own thing. And it grated on the major players in the Korean Music Entertainment- and still does - because they have no finger in the pie. And to see BTS rise so high despite everything - they are MAD, mad =))) Meanwhile BTS stay winning, the South Korean President sings their praises, their contribution to the SK economy isi being measured in percentages of the country's GDP - at that point, you're honestly at a completely different level =)))

@TzufengKHuang

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, SK president sent them a letter of congratulations recently. Before BTS were named ambassadors, the SK President would always get asked if he knew them…such a flex

@vsk_bts

2 жыл бұрын

Aahhh I am so enjoying this particular comment... well said fellow Army ... n another truth is where the rest of the world makes fun of this Fandom stating it has 15 year old screaming fan girls ... boyyy they have no idea what kind of age group this Fandom has ... it ranges from 12 year old to 85 year old ..... add on the hard core loyalty which no artist has achieved ... 😎💜 🙆‍♀️

@jennd1298

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your comment, you explained it so well for people that may not know the full context. I hope the reactor takes the time to read it.

@WonderingWildWanderingRose

2 жыл бұрын

That's the hard core TRUTH. They didn't pay- to- play and spoke out Truth against injustice and taboo subjects, and got popular because of that all on their own, in spite of all the blocks put before them.

I get mocked for liking them, I’m 37 years old( 2 years Army) and my “ friends” are telling me “ do you still listen to those Chinese guys?” “ they are girls” etc… I get so mad and I stay in my place and let them make fool of themselves!!

@raincandy3

2 жыл бұрын

You need better friends

@Kai-el7rw

2 жыл бұрын

I get the same flack! My daughter in law calls the girly boys who wears makeup. I stopped arguing or commenting back, because she is trying to get my goat. But if she saw a photo of Kookie from PTD on the first day when his Black Swan jacket malfunctioned and his sweaty chest was bare! Man….even at 61, I can see he is a man!

@mariastclair406

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you but we Army’s understand each other 💜

I'm an army from Brazil, and when I see some sub-celebrities in the US say that BTS is not mainstream, or is only relevant in kpop, I think they're in a bubble, because here in Brazil alone we are millions, in every place on this globe there are army, on the 5 fucking continents, Arab countries there are thousands of armys, India thousands, even Russia, Latin america, Asia, China, Africa, Jamaica, in Europe there are thousands, North Korea and even Antarctica. No artist is able to go head-to-head with the army in a poll

@bembolbug

2 жыл бұрын

Hey come on now, why leave out our armys in Africa? And I’m sure one or two scientists based in Antartica are probably grooving to butter when waiting on their sample’s tests LOL ✌️😜

@ystrw

2 жыл бұрын

We number 60M+ subscribers on BangtanTV...that number's jumped up from 45M, which is what it was at when I hit the Subscribe a little over a year ago. :) And I heard it said that BTS accounts for 20M of KZreads views... PER DAY. And yet the inter-fandom connectivity is really wonderful; it'd be so easy to feel like one speck of dust in a sandstorm, but somehow, we don't.

@stefani745

2 жыл бұрын

You know Santa is in the Northpole. he might be jamming to PTD with his reindeers. 😂😂😂

@koreaRM0613

2 жыл бұрын

북한? 헉

@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971

2 жыл бұрын

I feel their recent English songs are like a slap to the racist Western medias who said they can't be at the top of America music industry.

also another thing about the "i dont understand what theyre saying so im not going to listen to it" thing, is that how do americans think the rest of the world that doesnt speak english listens to music? do you think that people from non-english speaking countries only listen to songs in their native tongue and wont listen to songs in english or other languages that are popular or play on the radio just because they may not understand fully what every word in the song means? NO thats why im so confused about when americans say this, they think theyre the only country that exists in this world, it gets to me tbh

@imajinallthepurple

2 жыл бұрын

*Truth* 💜

@maliam_

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Music is the language

@el-dawn

2 жыл бұрын

ain't that funny? the double standard of them wanting to be recognized and famous worldwide, want their music to be mainstream, which means EVERYONE would listen to them whether they understand english or not, but still have that kind of weakass mentality. "Everyone should understand me but I don't give a fck about other language I don't understand." vibes... self-centered much? lol

@dul8760

2 жыл бұрын

Fr. I think I listened to English songs and songs in other languages more than my own native language since I was born.

@maliam_

2 жыл бұрын

@@dul8760 Me too and when I go back to the english songs I used to listend to, the lirycs are not even cloese to what I thoyght they would be

I still remember the time when fans had to post pics of bills as proof to show that they buyed bts album to prove bts album sales. It has been said at those years that big agencies tied along with media tried every possible way to bring bts down , when they saw that bts was getting more popular than their kpop groups. It wasn't just done by other kpop groups fans but companies were also involved. SM even tried to buy bts from bighit , so that he can control them and his company group can shine more. But ceo of bighit "bang pd" didn't give up on bts

Jin dropped a bomb on us during an acceptance speech at the end of 2018 that they end seriously considered disbanding. @_@ Thankfully all the members toughed it out and decided to keep going.

OMG, when you were making your ending comments I got such a ray of hope. When people say that BTS paved the way for Kpop, I comment back: BTS is paving the way for a shift in the entire music industry.

9:00 A big part of what's absurd about those criticisms from my POV as a Black American, is that those were South Koreans attempting to define & limit access to Hip Hop culture. Who appointed those guys to be the Hip Hop Police? There's a whole conversation to be had around cultural appropriation vs. appreciation, as well as a separate-but-closely-related discussion about machismo, misogyny & homophobia. I'd also throw in the meanings & merits of authenticity and what they mean in relation to notions of, "toughness," and street credibility. All of that, though, is an ongoing discussion within Hip Hop and some random barely-established rappers from S. Korea were no more qualified to render judgments than anyone else. Bottom line is, most real old heads will tell you that as long as someone approaches the culture with respect and is willing to pay their dues; they're welcome within Hip Hop.

@bembolbug

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, which is exactly what Warren G said during an interview they did when he and RM were collaborating on “please don’t die”. I’d listen to him 100 times more than those ignorant people in that radio talk show

@ashleyder9164

2 жыл бұрын

That's also why it is SO ridiculous when kpop fans complain about BTS becoming "Americanized'. Yo. The entire kpop industry relies on music taken from the African American community.

@brownrecluse9261

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleyder9164 This!

@koreaRM0613

2 жыл бұрын

윽 한국인으로서 쪽팔려ㅠㅠ

@goreyfantod5213

2 жыл бұрын

@@koreaRM0613 Please, don't be embarrassed. No, S. Koreans don't get to define what Hip Hop is - they don't own it. However, the point is that nobody does. Most Black Americans don't think Hip Hop is only for us, because we're confident enough to share our culture with the world. A culture, by the way, that was birthed out of peoples' resilience in the face of enormous adversity, much like Koreans & your culture. We are brothers & sisters in struggle & triumph.

17:50 to add some further Korean context to this debate you're having here. During these earlier years the onus of Big Hit's success & ability to debut groups later on down the road meant BTS had to play the industry's game. They HAD to endure the mistreatment, attacks, & forever be the ones to bow down & be humble because if they didn't they would be dooming their future hoobaes (junior groups) before they could even debut. Most groups rely VERY heavily on their sunbaes (seniors) in their respective companies to support & help promote them after they first debut & if BTS burned those bridges so to speak then that basically meant bankruptcy for their company & disbandment for them. So bear this in mind that this was the burden they were carrying during those first few years on top of the hate & attacks. They had to tread VERY carefully in order to ensure Big Hit stayed afloat & their hoobaes had a chance to even debut.

@LB-fv6ry

2 жыл бұрын

I will use this everytime the fandoms of the new groups under HYBE come from bts, like its getting ridiculous how they are acting like every other kpop fandom.

@snowghost9800

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! And not just their juniors but also their staff. Everyone in their company was doing hard work. If they made a wrong move, people in their company who went on this journey with them will also suffer. Being responsible for other people's future is a huge burden for them to bare and continue to bare. That's why them artist singing about toughness dissing them just seem irrelevant to how strong BTS is compared to them.

Some songs of them show why BTS and ARMY are so affectionate. MOVE, SEA are songs about themselves having a hard time(As you know, BTS is from a small company that almost went bankrupt, so they have been very looked down and hated by Korean broadcasting stations and other K-pop fandom.), and 2!3! is a song to comfort ARMY who have struggled and been hurt to protect BTS. And Magic Shop, Make it right, We are Bulletproof : the Eternal are songs that expresses gratitude for the fans who have protected BTS and grown up together.

@shaylajable1949

2 жыл бұрын

MOVE(2015) kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJV12bOOns7Fd84.html 2!3! Hoping for more good days(2016) kzread.info/dash/bejne/g2potKuEmpOvnJs.html SEA(2017) kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWakrqucd6u7dag.html Magic Shop(2018) kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaxkx9yeacKdYc4.html Make it right(2019) kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGahxKOkkdebnps.html We are Bulletproof : the Eternal(2020) kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYmLpLuDmtivfJM.html

*They just got their second Grammy nomination.* 🎊👏💪🤜🤛🎉

@maliam_

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. But was it just me that expected them to be nominated in more categoris

@cnot4948

2 жыл бұрын

@@maliam_ Not only should they have been nominated in more categories but the BLATENT snub they gave to 'MY UNIVERSE' is disgusting. This collab was not in the best MV category (which it should have been) but they put BTS and Coldplay each as individual artist in the 'Best Pop Duo/Group'. So why wouldn't they have put them in together for 'My Universe' seeing as how other artist's collaborations were there. I really believe that 'Scammies' is using them for click bait again. This time they had to put them in one of the bigger categories so that they could justify making them perform at the end of the show.

@imajinallthepurple

2 жыл бұрын

@@maliam_ What I'm still most surprised about is why MOTS 7 wasn't at least nominated for Best Album last year. 🤷‍♀️ It's a masterpiece!

@imajinallthepurple

2 жыл бұрын

@@cnot4948 I believe it was released after the deadline for Grammys. It will be elegible next year.

@maliam_

2 жыл бұрын

@@cnot4948 I agree. Grammy are sometimes just.....u know?

I think the "push back" that BTS receives in Korea comes from the media and institutions who believe they are "gatekeepers" of success. You are required to pander to and please them in order to be allowed to be successful, but BTS circumnavigated them all by creating their own content and connecting directly with fans, and in forging this new path, became bigger and more successful than anyone before them who did go through the "proper" channels. They've set a precedent, and so the media actively works to bring BTS down as a desperate ploy to maintain the illusion of how important and powerful these institutions are supposed to be. Basically a petty and vindictive 'you-may-have-succeeded-without-us-but-we-can-still-bring-you-down' agenda. I believe it's part of the reason why BTS is adamant about doing their military service, because if they don't, it's a noose around their neck with the media, as it's only a matter of time before something they do isn't as successful as the last and then the media can play the "they got to shirk their duty as Koreans for this?!" card which I'm sure would break their hearts. Honestly, Koreans should be furious at the media for it because this ridiculous bullying isn't affecting BTS in any meaningful way, but it's going to have a significant impact on the Korean economy when BTS does do their service. The sheer amount of money they bring in, even throughout covid, is mind blowing and there's no way to maintain that while they're doing their service.

@cyann410

2 жыл бұрын

Yet again, today, BTS was given a token nomination by the Grammys. For Butter ? No, best pop duo only. They broke records and blew the charts away with Butter, but did it get a nomination for best song ? Of course not. I hate the politics of the Grammys, and I hope they win this, and then they can turn their back on the Grammys, who just use them for views. BTS has nothing to prove anymore. The only thing they have not achieved is a f-ing Grammy, but they don’t need one to prove their success, and talent.

@ystrw

2 жыл бұрын

Regarding the service, attitudes in Korea have shifted quite a bit over the past two years, and the majority of public (Korean) opinion tends to agree that BTS should be exempted. I see it all the time on K-channels like K-pop Shock, Cartoon Messenger K-Pop, and K-Pop tube, both in the content and in the comments. 'Even if you don't like them, you should agree they've earned exemption,' or variations on it, is a very frequent comment. The Cabinet is supposed to have another discussion/decision about it on the 25th- Thanksgiving Day here- and since July, quite a few ministers (esp the Minister of Culture) and various advocates have been pushing hard to get K-pop idols who have made outstanding contributions to the country's prestige exempted. M.Culture went on record saying he considers BTS's achievements more than equal to a gold medal- a very pointed remark. And last night President Moon publicly congratulated them on their AMA win (from The Blue House account) and made another pointed reference to the excellence of their 'soft power' in bringing Korea honor and prestige. So, we shall see what comes. Maybe full exemption, maybe partial exemption with alternative service, maybe reduction of time served...maybe none of the above. : / I suspect the scheduled press conference on the 28th has more to do with that than with an album or tour date, to be honest.

@stefani745

2 жыл бұрын

They are experiencing it again, what happened in South Korea. People in the industry looking down on their talents, thinking that they are just pretty boys and that they will not last long. The Grammys are using them to get views. Specially knowing BTS wants the award. They are being smart using BTS, but they are belittling these seven men and Big Hit( HYBE] In that process. ARMY has gotten bigger, you have no idea that the person you are working with or have met is a silent ARMY. They will support BTS. We don’t know If someday BTS’s hard work and ARMY’s support might change the Music Industry in the USA.

@sheilafrias6158

2 жыл бұрын

@Abraxas yeah and also even though BTS is not American their 4 days concert in LA alone is a big impact on countries tourism a lot of ARMY blew to LA for BTS.

The conversation you had about being affected by hate from antis is interesting. Most of the group were teenagers when they debuted. As a 16, 18, 19 year old it had to be brutal to have the hate thrown at them.

This is why people applaud and praise how far BTS have come. They started with nothing from a company that had virtually nothing. Yes, other groups at the time work hard (and new groups continue to work hard as well), but they often had a company name to back them up. So when other groups debuted, they had a huge company that already had so much money and so much fan attention that they had already garnered tons of success. BTS had none of that so they had to work EXTRA hard, incredibly hard. I really love these guys 💖

They have met prejudice from everywhere in the world and not just white people but all races, including from Koreans, which is very sad. It's constant, even to this day. I'm really pleased they've been nominated for a Grammy but I think it's extremely American biased going by the nominees and music snobbery reigns therein (the AMAs are awarded by fan votes globally)! Let's hope BTS wins their category and the changes to the decision making methods give them a chance, as they so deserve it.

@nolonolo5262

2 жыл бұрын

actually the grammies pick their favorites to win...many american artist like Eminem has been nominated so many times and other american artists and they never have gotten to win a grammy. dont get me wrong i hope BTS do win the grammy this time. its just i notice the past few years or so grammies pick their favorites and alot of american artist is starting to come forward after what Eminem said about the grammies.

@debsuk8249

2 жыл бұрын

@@nolonolo5262 yes, I understand how the Grammys work...did you see the changes announced at the start of the nominations that I referred to? Plus, the nominees are chosen in a different way to how the winners are arrived at (by members voting). Given the huge success of Butter, it is surprising that it is not nominated for Record or Song of the Year.

@nolonolo5262

2 жыл бұрын

@@debsuk8249 no i didnt i just read about that in article after you point it out... ty

Because BTS was good from the start, another fandom didn't want to see BTS being bigger n bigger.

I remember when fandoms were calling the award show to get their daesang away. That was such an insane time I couldn’t believe people hated them that much. Despite all the hate they get they’ve stayed grateful and humble

Can you react to “BTS vs Kpop” by bby gang as well as his three part series titled You’re Wrong About Kpop/The Media Is Wrong About Kpop/Kpop vs Orientalism? His videos are utterly phenomenal, and I’d love it if you could check out his other videos out as well about Kpop & BTS. They are so well-researched and non biased. He does the work that so many western reporters don’t when researching and explaining BTS and Kpop. He encapsulates so well how truly phenomenal BTS is in the Kpop industry, the pop industry, and the music industry as a whole. It helps that with how well he does his research, he shows so much respect for eastern concepts and their impact on the western world. It’s beautiful. One of the best Kpop/BTS videos I have ever seen.

@betjura

2 жыл бұрын

Omg yess, strongly agree 👍🏻👍🏻

@bembolbug

2 жыл бұрын

YES!

Listening to this again made me cry once again. I know one thing, we armys will always fight for them no matter who or what are we fighting against.

Western artists will never be as loved, honored, and valued as much as BTS until they get rid of the disgusting lyrics and visuals that are inundating our youth. Army is not made up of children and teens. The majority of us are grown adults who find their lyrics refreshing. We are the targeted consumer. We have the money and the power. For example, I’m flying my 18 yo daughter from South Carolina to LA for their concert. I also bought iHeart radio jingle ball tickets. I spent thousands of dollars just to see BTS twice. Would I do that for her to see Lil Nas X? Lizzo? Megan thee Stallion? Not in this lifetime. They do not hold any of the values that I, the money (wo)man, hold dear. BTS does. So, when BTS is criticized for being who they are, that just tells me they are doing something right. When you go up against the status quo and stay true to who you are and what you believe in, that is a global David destroying Goliath. That is a group I can get behind 💯.

@Shaw2184

2 жыл бұрын

Your paying attention to the wrong artists. Beloved western artists exist.

@sugasmeow

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shaw2184 who? All I see is crap.

@lisaspence7524

2 жыл бұрын

Why are they the wrong artists? What because they're not Western artists?? I'm not saying that there aren't good beloved Western artists out there. I'm sure there are. However, that doesn't mean that she's listening to the wrong groups because she stands behind BTS just because they aren't a "Western" artist. She saying that she hasn't seen any that she would stand behind that are on the same level as BTS. There ARE other amazing artists out in the world but why does it have to come down to whether they're Western or Eastern or European or whatever other nationality a group is?? Why can it not just boil down to the music, which is what she's commenting on... as opposed to their race or where they're from. There are many Western artists I listen to. There's many European ones I listen to. I also happened to love BTS (the absolute best/most) but not because they're an Asian group or because I hate all Western groups. I love BTS and their music because it resonates with me and I love their personalities and what they stand for and who they stand with. Period.

@vsk_bts

2 жыл бұрын

Bravo 👏 ... & bang on ... I am a mom to 4.5 year old ... plus we both love BTS songs ... we jam on their songs... God damn BTS has a variety of genre in their music catering to a mass of different age groups....💜🙆‍♀️

@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I will not agree with something , many western artists are loved like Ariana , Taylor , Harry Styles , Halsey , Ed

The number of times I've seen this but it still brings me to tears. I love them - underdogs to living, breathing legends. The number of people they have saved. I, for one, discovered BTS at the start of the pandemic. I was so depressed then, but when I heard Suga's The Last and Jin's Epiphany, I cried and understood I never did love myself. That began my journey to self love. Their positivity and their genuine selves shared with fans, their music should be enough for them to earn respect. 💜

fun fact: When they just debuted, they weren't global so ofc they didn't understand english that much and RM was the only one who could speak english. they used to get a LOT of hate comments and when RM used to readthem, he translated to motivational comments in korean when the members asked him what was written. for eg: (english comment): EW BTS ARE SO UGLY WHAT THE HECK ARE THOSE CLOTHES EVEN? suga: RM what's written there? RM: oh...it's written that BTS have really beautiful music and the clothes we wear are awe some (in korean) SAY RM IS THE BEST LEADER EVER! JOON FOR PRESIDENT!

I am ARMY since 2014, watching this video makes me relive feelings that not only BTS lived, but also all the army that lived it.

Thanks for reacting to BTS. Today, BTS is one of South Korea's pride. Recently, BTS were appointed as "special presidential envoy for future generations and culture" by South Korean President Moon Jae-in around first week of September. Each one of them are now legit diplomats and are holding a diplomatic passport. They just gave a speech (their 2nd time) at the United Nations General Assembly last Sept. 2021. And now, they live in a huge house where all 7 boys equally owned and share. It is located in Hannam Hill, a high end location in SK. It's like the Beverly Hills in the US. They all have their individual properties but still they choose to live together for almost 10 years now. They are still the same humble and down to earth boys we all know since they debut. In their show Bon Voyage BTS and In Th e Soop you can see how humble they are. They still cook for their food (Jin and Suga usually does the cooking) and the rest of the boys would do their fair share in doing other household chores. They are just simple and domesticated when they are at home.

@bembolbug

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, isn’t that the 3rd UN appearance?

@cyann410

2 жыл бұрын

3rd speech for the United Nations.

@mhecyeuh3080

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah..its their 3rd...sorry 💜🤭✌

Just because I don't see any comments off the bat with a casual glance telling you, here it is : you're beautiful and we all like your intro you make us feel welcome 🤗💜 ETA: when you were talking about hashtag kick out j hope, (and tbh all the hate they got) keep in mind aside from Jin who was 20, the rest were teens & jk was 14, v and Jimin were 16 or 17. It makes it worse knowing these KIDS got hate and death threats. Makes it even more sad and wrong. As for Lucas's question around 20:03, it's very competitive over there, the idol scene. Awards are calculated using streaming numbers & votes accounting for the majority of points. So fan wars are a real thing. It's important to note though that the groups usually tend to like one another and have no issues, but the fans can get really toxic. (Not all groups are chill with each other but the majority usually are.)

Just thinking back to the way the used to be treated ( and still are ) makes me cry over and over. BTS are the definition of hardworking, dedication and devotion. When the whole world tried to shun them down they stood their ground and there were times where they thought of disbandment and just giving up, but they reminded each other to not. They are more capable then they think they are. These “ little Korean boys “ are standing on top of the world and I wouldn’t have it any other way. They paved the way to greatness and success with nothing but each other. Staying countless nights with no sleep, food and lack of energy. They fought and taught us how to never give up , never let the world shut you out and push you to the ground. They are and will forever be the greatest roll model this world has ever seen. They made mistakes and learned. I’m utterly grateful to be called an army and get to see the love they have for us. We really don’t deserve them. And us as armys will defend them and protect them when the world fails to. My love for them is unreal that I don’t believe it sometimes, they helped many and are still willing to help, they really don’t know how precious they are. I pray they don’t lose their lights.

I think if there's a time machine and BTS or ARMY are able to change everything and get rid of all the hurt past, I don't think either of us would do it. Because every single bad thing that happen made BTS grow bigger & more successful and created strong bond between members & ARMY. If there's no haters, we won't get masterpieces such as cyphers 1-4, Mic Drop, Ddaeng, Idol etc. The 'no signal' issue was so dumb. During BTS concert at SOFI Stadium recently they put the No Signal image on the stage floor and sing & dance DOPE song on it, it's so funny of them mocking it now🤭

I’m just glad that BTS have not given up despite their hardships

today bts attended the Grammy nomination ceremony, they were one of the last and they had less than a minute of screen time, that's what they said about using them to secure an audience. They were not nominated for Song of the Year on Record of the Year even though the song broke numerous records and remained at the top of the Billboard for 10 weeks. It's sad to see so much hate, xenophobic and racism, especially when their song messages are all about self-love, acceptance, and so many other positive things, but they have the army and we have them. Thanks for the reaction and sorry for any error as I translated this message.

@TzufengKHuang

2 жыл бұрын

Yes…all the other presenters got a tag saying Grammy nominated or Grammy winner while BTS only had their name listed

@marinal.

2 жыл бұрын

@@TzufengKHuang nods

@aspannas

2 жыл бұрын

@@TzufengKHuang not true at all, don't make up lies to fit a narrative please. Måneskin didn't even get nominated, they were literally only there to present and they most certainly deserve a nomination.

@aspannas

2 жыл бұрын

I just want to add that the number of streams and records doesn't matter when it comes to how they decide a winner, it's not a popularity award, even though the Grammys are in fact shit.

@vivyolet1395

2 жыл бұрын

@@aspannas Yes, but if that level of popularity doesn't influence whoever decides it, what does it matter to them? I read in an article that for academia they are considered a "strange novelty" or something like that. But the fact is they've been active since 2013 with around 20 albums. It's an unfair award. And about their presence at the event I mentioned, they didn't even show the boys announcing, they introduced themselves and when it came time to speak, the nominees only showed the screen with the names. I found it particularly disrespectful, but anyway, just a criticism

I’m a 60 yr old ARMY, BTS has & will always inspire & strengthen me. They brought me comfort & joy in times of trouble, sickness, loneliness & anxieties. They enlighten me when i was facing cancer, their songs and their videos and messages and how they treated older ppl heals me. U know why ?.. bcs their songs are all about self love, unity, diversity, kindness, and knowing your rights. Unlike western TOXIC music that sells drugs/violence/sex/cheap love trying to be over cool or sluti with lots of swearing and cheap useless lyrics. Bts are like my virtual sons. Ive never been a fan of any artist before in my life, but bts really strikes me at heart, I never missed their concert eversince they debuted. Even for someone with so much financial freedom like me I totally respect them, i can relate to their struggles to make it to where they are. I pray they will keep on growing & stays healthy & Happy. Make up are part of asian culture, it is very common for male to use make up when performaning or on TV. Dont all celebrities male or female all uses make up when on Tv or movie?… so what’s the big deal. I think we have a lot to learn from these 7 young men, they are cultured, well mannered, talented, kind & generous ans funny. Their had endured so much pain & struggles, d least we could do is wish them well instead of being jealous & hating them for no apparent reasons just bcs they are not white. It’s time we give these 7 young men our praise & honor/respect and love. They totally deserve it. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

BTS proved that they didn't need media to get big. So many Korean media either ignored them or only reported negative. Until they got so big, the media couldn't touch them. Part of this is the big 3. Media got payouts from the big 3 to report their groups. This is the industry in Korea

@bembolbug

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s also because of this dynamics that they were really able to grow into something so so much bigger than them all combined. These entertainment and media gatekeepers forced their hands to be so much innovative and creative that made their success grow globally vs. the tired old school practices of the local scene

@marissa1341

2 жыл бұрын

@@bembolbug yup exactly. Also because of this many things BTS and Bighit ended up doing to build their fanbase and success will become template in industry to follow for their own "success". But it likely won't work for others unless there is sincerity and humility to it. People will see right through and will say nah. It's already happened

And still only Grammy nominated for the same category as last year, POP group performance. Not to take away from that accomplishment but they completely deserve to be nominated in a main category after the year they've had.

Yes. You HAVE to know the hardships to understand ARMY, and You have to understand ARMY to understand why BTS are BTS. There's a very strong sense in which BTS and ARMY are symbiotic, because they have grown together, and have BOTH faced calumny - unfairly - and still do - witness, the "15-year-old girls", "LA concerts sold out?", and "We are here to be with ARMYs you know, the real people, not the AIs, not the bots" incidents that RM addressed with such humour this week.. To some extent it's hard to really understand why the early criticism mattered so much, but if you remember that Korea is very much a "know your place" society, and it is VERY structured and hierarchical, with conglomerates having as much or more power than the government, and being to a large extent above the law, ... well, you get a flavour. I'm glad that Lucas took on board the reasons for making this video, and as always, love XCeleste.

ARMYs can forgive but never forget.

Yes, BTS' past before debut and the journey that they have been through literally make me cry! The boys have gone through so much... I had this respect and love for them and will forever support them, I am proud to be an Army!

BTS is in the unique position they don't need the established order in the western and asian music industry to thrive. The passionate and big fan base they have will support them to success and The big companies are not only mad about their own artists (where they invested in) not winning they also miss out on the profit these super stars are generating. And once they got big , they also became a target for groups who want to use them for their own goals. The fact that the company and group have always strived to stay independant to protect their creative freedom really bothers the western music industry. Right wing factions want to use them as example for their twisted narrative, and racist individuals see h4ting on them as a show of devotion towards their backwards beliefs. In short: When they were small bts got trodden on by the classism of the established order of their homeland. And now they are big they still get used by xenophobic practices of the western music industry plus everyone wants to profit from them be it clickbait journalist, to opportunistic ytber, or even a political party spinning the narrative they want to convey. So yes army is protective. And yes some people take it too far without even knowing the reason. In a fandom of over 50 mln people there are those too. And for enduring all this plus the price of fame(loss of privacy and freedom to move where you want) just to keep making music that heals and inspires people is why ARMY loves them so dearly.

ARMY's NUMBER ONE goal has always been to make BTS as successful as possible so nobody can touch them

To understand why so much hate, why it is unrelenting even now when they are national treasures, you would have to understand Korean culture, Korean commercial culture and the entertainment industry as a whole. One aspect is the puritanical culture, one the one hand it gives us "clean lyrics" and an innocence in our idols but on the other hand, if the idol is not "perfect" then they get rotten tomatoes thrown at them. BTS was the MOST imperfect collection of artists. None of them other than Jin fit the Korean idol beauty or visual standard and so were rejected on that, they were seen as too ugly and dark-skinned to be idols and their country culture cannot till this day unsee that and they are still viewed as undesirable because of this. You might notice that their images are white washed to have paler skin when they are in Korea but when they are outside Korea, most recently in the US they have beautiful golden natural skin tones. Jimin was bullied heavily for being "fat" which caused him to develop an ED at some point. From a business point of view, Koream culture once again, is hierarchal and strict adherence to this hierarchy is mandatory for everyone. For a small unknown company with ragtag idols to dare to compete with the big guns is near blasphemy; so every effort is taken to ensure this system is not disrupted. That's just how things work. Bang Si Hyuk's aspiration to buck the conventional norms of the industry when creating BTS and supporting their growth also contributed to the hate BTS received and continues to receive. So yeah, we are invested, we are emotionally attached to them and we are ride or die.

The context of the crucible they have gone through and why Army is so fanatical and protective is so important. Wonderful reaction.

I love the singing…and you’re BEAUTIFUL!

I 'm so proud of them and proud to be a part of this beautiful army family. Bts give me hope ,inspiration, happiness and many more things trough their music .I love them so much and admire them for coming through all the difficulties and give many precious gifts to us. ARMY FOREVER

It is UNFLIPPINGLY BELIEVABLE BTS was. ONLY nominated or 1 Grammy. AGAIN. SUCH BS.

I have been an Army member since 2013, that is, since their inception. I've been there for all their victories and failures. And I have also seen them being put down and insulted. In those moments I was really heartbroken and angry that they had to go through that just because they came from a small agency or something. I will never stop encouraging and loving them! BTSARMY4LIFE

7:24 Anytime someone from korea that's a rapper or started in the underground says this crap and claims that they aren't real rappers now that they're idols and "that's not hip hop or rap" as a black person I'm always like, "why don't you ask the people that rap came from. The originals of rap, the people that know the history and the true understanding of rap culture and actually lives it" SMH And I'd say BTS rappers have more of a claim to being authentic rappers then people from a place that only know rap from face value. BTS literally went to LA (compton and greenleaf) to learn about the history of and importance of hip-hop in the black community from WARREN G & COOLIO and others. They learned about how it started and the movements caused by hip-hop and the effect it had on black artistry and communities. RAP literally stands for "RYTHM AND POETRY"

Actually, Namjoon illustrated a very respectful way to respond to the women and girls who were offended. This level of self-awareness and earnest, pro-active education is virtually unheard of in American pop music.

I really appreciate y'all taking the time to learn more about them and their story since it's mainly always overlooked. Context is very important when it comes to bts and army and its truly a shame they way they're still treated as inferior and overrated when many don't know what it took to get here.

The White Paper Project was an amazing display of army's solidarity in protecting bts and correcting misinformation. Armys who specialized in academia worked together with army translators to publish a formal documentation. Aside from that, the rest of the fandom were actively defending bts on social media platforms. Global armys were sending love and support to bts AND Japanese armys because both kept getting hate around that time in Japan. To this day, if you mention November 2018 to any older army, they will tell you something along the lines of "we erased it from the calendar" because it was a painful month for everyone. If you were army back then and was active on social media especially on twitter, you received so much hate along with bts ☹

@Katiee1988

2 жыл бұрын

As an older army who was active on twitter back then, I can confirm that for me there was no month in between October and December in 2018. Or at least, I'd prefer to believe that. I still have trauma from that time and try to block it out. I'm still stunned, hurt and disgusted that other fandoms sided with those extreme right wingers in Japan against BTS just to attack BTS. The level of hate and poison... I still can't believe it. Those fandoms were trying to poison the media against BTS while armys were doing their best to correct the facts. I remember having '2!3!' on repeat back then for comfort and strength. I'm crying just remembering this much of it. I wish and pray with everything in me that BTS and armys never ever have to go through anything like that ever again.

BTS update: BTS got nominated for grammys for best duo/group performance.

as a 2013 army who has been with them from their debut, i was here for all of this and ppl who weren't can't imagine how it was emotionally to go through all of these incidents one by one in person. yeah we are just fans watching through a screen, but man. a lot of these events were emotionally destructive to be around. when such talented and genuinely GOOD people like bts were unfairly attached, accused and hurt and you were a fan sitting in your room who shared such strong connection with them. just seeing these good people who helped you so much with their music get mistreated unfairly like this. the hurt and helpless frustration was immense. which is why army as a fandom is unique in its creed and mindset. bc we turned all our experiences, good or bad, into effort. 2013-2017 armys used to even have the motto that we'd, by force of will, make them the top so they'll be untouchable by all these industry politics. and we did it. radio has 0 say into their bb hot 100 #1 hits now and the industry is foaming in fits. the korean industry has 0 say regardless of them trying to throw themselves around. no one, absolutely no one besides bts and army have a say in their success and that's exactly what most ppl can't handle. all these institutions, industry entities, media and money going around that is so used to deciding the fate of artists have ZERO say in bts' carrier bc bts has their label they created brick by brick with their own hands and they have armys who are resilient, passionate, smart and are only here for them. we made music history together and we'll keep doing it regardless of what the industry, media or other fandoms have to say on it. and a lot of ppl can't handle that. majority of the vitriol comes from there.

29:44 you are shaking your head but it was a good thing. Army wrote 166 pages explaining the situation, clearing things out.

The amount of comfort and love BTS has given me is way beyond how much I can love them. They have saved me, motivated me to keep fighting, not to throw myself away and accept myself, the love my heart feels for them is so pure I have never felt for any artists.

All these “little incidents” might seem insignificant to some people, but the thing is bts always experienced those hardships, no matter their popularity, records or impact, like in 2019 (the inkigayo incident). This is so aberrant, like you would think they will be respected and treated better than in the past, but no… even to this day, BTS and ARMYs are still facing stupid hardships what else do they have to prove?

One word comes to mind when I think of BTS, and that word is RESPECT. They should be respected for their : 1-Talent ( dancing, singing, etc) 2-Their hard work 3- Their perseverance 4- Their humbleness 5- Their lyrics 6- The way that they’re involved in the production of their music 7- The way that they have dealt with their haters 8- Their brotherhood 9- For leaving their families at a very young age to pursue their dreams 10- The way they all acknowledge and love ARMY, even after so many years . I love these 7 kings ( cause that’s what they are in my book ), and I hope people will actually give them a chance ,by really listening to their music, instead of disregarding them just because they’re from South Korea . Borahae 💜

Makes me tear to watching this just think about what BTS and ARMY had to go through with these stuffs....

What’s insane to me is the fact that not only has the American music industry/media tried to shut them out and diss them (for obvious reasons) but these boys had to deal with their own people shutting them out and dissing them, like imagine that. Korean media has been so volatile, specifically in the past, and it’s funny that they’re all trying to get into BTS’ good graces now that they’re dominating the industry. They’ve endured so much discrimination in every aspect of the word.

Y'all need to watch American Hustle Life a d see Warren G explanation of what hip hop is. He really give them a lot of boost Up till now, the media in Korea doesn't give BTS the time they deserve. The guy in that band who liked bts was like what? This was so respectful. Thank you. 💜

Thx for taking it seriously. I'm a 48 yo mother from the Netherlands, and got to know about BTS through my daughter. And ever since they've been a light in our lives. It breaks my heart everytime they get mocked on, disrespected or discriminated. They are such kind, humble, hardworking and talented guys. Who have been open, real and vulnarable to the public and media. They deserve respect and love, as much as they give. I for one, am very happy my daughter picked such good rolemodels to love and look up too. It's about time the Western media makes the effort of knowing what they're talking about when it comes to BTS, before claiming all the bs. All the haters are so jealous and scared, it's pathetic. If they're not your thing, that's okay, just leave them be. All BTS ever does is make music, shows and content for fans, to make people happy, and working their butts of doing it. Their workethic is on a whole other level. Love them.

Something that is not explicitly mentioned is that the big three companies have money in broadcasting companies and they have threatened to pull their money from the broadcasting company or have their artists boycott the shows on that station when groups or people they don't like are attempting to be on major shows. The biggest example of this is the way SM blocked the group JYJ out of as much of the industry as they could. I believe that recently there was a law passed to stop this from happening. Also you can fill most of the blanks with EXO or SM

Our kings deserve everything they get for their hard work LOVE THEM FOREVER

I would love a movie on BTS and journey to stardom. It would be a smash hit globally.

Thank you for watching this. This year Grammy’s strike again! After submitting 7 categories for consideration. They only have 1 nomination! Meanwhile they were top of the charts for many weeks and broke many really!

I can't believe my eyes, even after this big, in Korean tv show, the host literally asking BTS about : "Nominated for Grammy, but you guys didn't win." --- "Why did you dare to mention Gwangju Massacre on your song?" --- "What's your secret success?" --- etc. Even one of the biggest Korean broadcast literally went to Big Hit office and STOLE THE DOCUMENT, then make a FALSE news about BTS & Big Hit!!! CAN YOU believe that ARMY??? IT s waay worst than you can imagine!

First of all let me say you're beautiful and you are enough. I really enjoyed the commentary from you and Lucas. It does not matter if it's 5 min or 55 minutes I will watch it. I was in tears already even 3 min into your video after you said why ARMY are protective of BTS. I'm still emotional thinking all the prejudice and hates that BTS are still getting despite of their popularity and success. Just look at the one Grammy's nomination they received again that was announced this morning is another example. I usually only subscribe to reactors who react to BTS only but I found you very genuine so you got another subscriber.

I don't know why I insist of watching this hardship video many times, it makes me cry every time

You Do You😎You have pretty eyes 👀, You have a great singing voice 🎶 Borahae 💜 The Big three basically run the music shows and media, and BTS were doing things that other K-Pop groups didn't do, like writing songs about socially conscious issues and real life experiences and concerns. Also, they were bringing back Classic Hip Hop to K Pop, and they were the only group at the time that were doing that. The larger they got, and the more global they got, they were dealing with racism and xenophobia. And they are still dealing with it, even at the level they are at today. Even ARMY's have been dealing with the same issues, being supportive of them. Good job with this reaction.

i laugh too when i get angry or when i find something absurd.. it's like releasing a burst of negative tension and trying to comfort myself at the same time lol

I still cry when I watch the videos of what BTS has gone thru. I am 62 this year and I would give my life for BTS. BTS found me when I was in a very dark place in my life. They literally saved me. There is a saying..."You don't find BTS, they find you when you need them the most!". Welcome to ARMY!

우리 애기들 진짜 고생많았어,,,, 행복하자 방탄!

We don’t mind long videos as long as it’s about BTS! Good luck on your BTS journey and on your way to understanding why Us ARMYs are the way we are towards BTS! Kudos!

Other fandoms were afraid of the success of BTS because they were skyrocketing. I understand why they feel that way, no one wants to feel like their own group is being overtaken but some of the things they've done is too much.

I am a french army of 52 years old. Those guys saved my life. I have followed them since their debut, they are like my family. Everytime they had problems with haters this broke my heart. I love them so much.

The sad thing is, veteran fans can watch this and still remember stuff that *wasn't* even included in this video. That is how much adversity and baseless hatred was thrown at BTS. I'm glad you are taking the time to familiarize yourself with their journey, so that you can better understand the relationship the group has with their fans. It isn't blind loyalty, but a connection that was forged through eight years of tears, mistreatment and disappointment -- but also out of many small and large victories, ans lots and lots of mutual love.

but did you know all the peopla who look down and disrepect them they all come kneel down and apolgize but who need them only Bighit and Army support them and worked hard for them and still doing and iam so PROUD for not giving up and staying together😭😭😭😭😭😭😭💜

I wish that Celeste made clear that the plagiarism accusations weren't about the music but about visual concepts. The French photographer accused them of copying his table/party in the woods concept in Blood, Sweat and Tears MV but clearly he's never hear of Alice in Wonderland.

I always get emotional seeing what they had to go through. Our boys have been through so much crap and they deserve all the success they have now. And if I'm being honest, seeing what other people tried to do to them makes me want to fight something. Hopefully we all come to respect other groups so that their fans don't have to feel the same.

i really hope that BigHit/Hybe will continue providing security to BTS even when they disbands. Crazy people do exist in this world and hate/grudges/jealousy run deep

that is why we need people to love them they worked hard with all the hate and hard times with out eating with out sleeping with out resting you make me cry again😭😭😭😭😭😭😔

im so touched by this video im gonna share it tomorrow on FB when it's morning. you really understand why their fan base are so loyal they've been around for so long. and even during pandemic they attempted to connect with fans through online concerts. that dedication is not like any other.

I came to listen your opinión ... But this video breaks my heart .. They work hard and deserve everything.. We like fans all we want is respect and get what we deserve ... Grammys are coming and they will be there .. but story is going to be the same ..we are tired to fight every against antis racist and Xenophobia... Thank you for the reaction and support to our boys 💜💜💜 Borahae 💜

I have seen this video just now.And I want to say one thing that "PLEASE IF YOU DON'T LIKE BTS , JUST STAY CALM AND DON'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THEM" . .... I'M BTS' army 💜 . I'M ALWAYS READY TO SUPPORT THEM

To the musicians out there, or whoever. If you judge a piece of music and don't like it because of a language you don't understand, you're not ready to be "Global", your brain is too narrow to accept this kind of thing, because music itself is a universal language, in fact millions of people love BTS even though they don't know Korean at all. And what do they do? Learn their idol language, see?"

Best thing i need after the F grammay: reaction to bts hardships :)))guys I'm gonna die watching this tonight

As a new ARMY, I am happy to have found BTS and I am glad that many more ARMYs are there for them.

Notice how many US artists want to collaborate with BTS.. using them to promote their careers, keep them relevant? We’ll see . They were part of announcing the Grammy nominations today. No surprise, they were nominated for ONE category. Best pop duo or group performance. I don’t doubt they will be shunned again. Tony Bennett getting it would not be a surprise…

This BS is still going on. There have been several examples even since this video was made earlier this year...

@debhouckscraftycottage9288

2 жыл бұрын

It's so ridiculous and sad! :-(

@athenam3648

2 жыл бұрын

Way a lot more. Like the more recent one was how ARMYs are being harassed by homophobic men and big ARMY accounts that are being taken down by twitter. It's insane! But I know there have been several more early this year to midyear. From sabotages to trashy articles.

Thank you for reacting to this. It’s nice to hear your feedback from you guys’ perspective :)

I love the intro, but I’m quite enjoying the bickering between you two so I’ll let it slide. 😂 I’m gonna finish watching the video now lol 💜

@bembolbug

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, I enjoy it quite more when Lucas is here haha

Well done guys! It is an honor to listen to you and your reactions. Blessing to you both and your work. Thank you!

Yeah the local media system was rigged in favor of the big companies… but it’s also because of this push back and crooked dynamics that they were really able to grow into something so so much bigger than them all other companies put together. These entertainment and media gatekeepers forced Bighit’s and BTS’s hands to be so much more innovative and creative that it made their success grow globally (as compared to the tired old school practices of the local scene). Their being very active in social media and creating their own shows that was a big part of their early success was in part a response to these unfair treatments that they went through.

The toxic people don't know the fact that BTS is a big help to the fans who's suffering from mental health issues. It's like BTS is their our door to the Magic Shop and BTS influenced us Army's to love ourselves and Army's are big help to the people who's needed like they donated.

Thank you both for reacting to this! 💜