Let’s troll him and get to 50k likes to see him fail God save the King

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Please don’t, I need time to practice…

@Frankenstein-Kevin-Xaverius

6 ай бұрын

@@ViolinMechanic yes, please.

@adroitwastaken

6 ай бұрын

nice alt account LMAO @@ViolinMechanic

@SisselOnline

5 ай бұрын

​@@ViolinMechanicdon't worry, you may have a year to practice in this rate😊

The Erlkonig was originally written for piano and voice, so it makes sense that the violin transcription would be insainely difficult.

@OphelyaGMS

6 ай бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. She's playing the whole piano part plus a solo voice part.

@rykehuss3435

3 ай бұрын

that depends entirely on the transcription

I love how you actually tried to play the pieces, credit due! Amazing video, thank you!

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

I’m sure with a little more practice I could attempt them more decently, sorry for your ears

@michalinasulkowska876

6 ай бұрын

@@ViolinMechanic I actually really enjoyed listening to your attempts, really does show how difficult those pieces are. But you should definitely attempt to see how they sound after a bit of practice!

@rolfleiners132

3 ай бұрын

Ich bin auch vom " Erlkönig" fasziniert....... Es zu versuchen und das eine oder andere zu schaffen, macht Freude.....

I still think Hahn's performance is stunning to the extreme despite the missing pizz. Actually I think it's the best ever recorded performance of the Erlkönig... Also, I can assure you she practiced at least 40 hours a day before that...

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

No doubt! She is an absolute legend!!!

@myrtillegrandesoreilles8275

6 ай бұрын

I agree. I listened to quite some recordings of that piece, and my criterium to like it is that I have to be able to sing along well

@Y3llow_Submarin3

6 ай бұрын

it's just impossible to play with octaves & left hand pizz..... Only octopus can play

@urstrulyyutong

6 ай бұрын

she makes it seem so effortless when playing - if i were to play it sounds super crunchy because of all the notes, but it sounds really light and the melody is so easily audible in jer performance :p truly one of THE violinists of our time

@dudeforcaster8630

6 ай бұрын

The pizz is not missing because you can hear them.

Something even more incredible that you overlooked: *Roman Kim is not actually playing what is written.* If you pay careful attention to his fingering, you will notice that it is rather anomalous. That's because not only is he playing the impossible double harmonics passage, he decided to *do forced harmonics instead*, something a vast majority of violinists haven't even heard of, let alone figured out how to do. That's also how his harmonic trills sound so clean. He does this a lot. For example, even more amazingly, if you listen to his rendition of Paganini's I Palpiti carefully, he plays some of it an octave *lower* than written. In perhaps the only known instance of playing something *down* the octave on the violin being even more impressive than the original, he plays passages at pitches which would be literally outside the range of the instrument using our conventional understanding of how harmonics work. But he found a way. Listen carefully to other works of his and you will see them: each of his three Romances again forces their use (low pitches, and chromatic harmonic scales and arpeggios!); he ups the ante and throws in double stop harmonic tremolos and harmonic arpeggios over left hand pizzicato (!!!) in I Brindisi. In the Beethoven 5 transcription he's even seemingly figured out how to play them as part of double stops with normal notes! I don't blame him for flexing his technique by using it in literally everything he writes or plays; since I also am among the few who have learned how to do it, so do I!

@RaidenDisNots

6 ай бұрын

haha all this effort for the fame

@StraussKeyboards

6 ай бұрын

In our time, Roman Kim is the best bro

@ElsweyrDiego

6 ай бұрын

Roman Kim is the only compositor everyone skips not only some lines from his music, but literally all the pieces in their entirety, we just don't have anyone playing his compositions or arrangements... maybe you can be the first in the internet?

@Vlad-vb8lo

5 ай бұрын

@@StraussKeyboardsmaybe if he was playing with a standard violin he would be, but his is fretted, which makes certain things like these passages significantly easier

@phantasmal914

5 ай бұрын

@@Vlad-vb8lohis recording of God Save The King has no frets, so that means he can do it with or without them.

Acutally in the standard version of the Erlkönig the left hand pizz doesn't exist in the octave place! I played this piece many times so I wonder what edition shows left pizz there?

@healingvision91

6 ай бұрын

That part

11:39 "this looks like gibberish" Pianists: 😐

As a violist and violinist, I understand the pain😭😭

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

hahaha yes this video was painful to make

@Ifailedmyself

6 ай бұрын

Imagine playing Viola💀💀💀

@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia

4 ай бұрын

​@@Ifailedmyself Imagine playing an underappreciated and yet wonderful instrument.

@octopuszombie8744

Ай бұрын

@@Ifailedmyself Twosetter :S

What a fascinating blend of courage at trying the pieces, and the chance to hear interesting curios of pieces that are virtually unplayable. I hope you will continue your exploration of the impossible repertoire, esp the Ernst's Last Rose of Summer and Variations on the Austrian National Anthem, by Wieniawski. A few comments: I had always heard that thinner strings enable better execution of double stop harmonics; to my recollection Ruggiero Ricci and Leonidas Kavakos also performed the Pag Caprice # 5 with the ricochet bowing; and to my ears Ernst is a one syllable name (like Urnst). I am happy to be corrected. Mostly, though, your posting points out that just as tennis players execute and train feats not imagined a half century ago, violinists now record repertoire the likes of Heifetz or Milstein, might have tried in lessons but never performed. (I have read that Heifetz first played Ernst F# Minor concerto for Kreisler, dazzling him, but did not include the piece in his standard repertoire.) Again, thanks for a thoughtful and amusing exploration of this fascinating subject.

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the thoughts! I took a look at the National Anthem... first time hearing it, y hands were shaking just by listening to it lol

I really liked this, it's nice to hear again that playing the violin IS painful, but you don't get depressed over it and that really gives me motivation bc sometimes I really wonder if I'm just not physically able to play. It's encouraging. So thanks.

Am I crazy? I swear I'm hearing the pizz on Hahn's recording.

@jgunther3398

6 ай бұрын

i hear it too. the notes are there but i hear pizz, most clearly on the g note. i can think of examples in the repertory where if it sounds like what it's supposed to be it's good enough. also i've seen at least one video of her's that was obviously edited, so here the pizz could have been put in post processing

@alejandronarvaez9806

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, she clearly plays the pizz

@Deadbushfan1618

Ай бұрын

I do not see her pizzing for the two notes in question, but the two notes before that are pizzed. look at her bow lol

i was tots expecting you to be a pretty big youtuber with the quality, imagine my shock seeing a bit under 15 k subs!!!!

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it lots!

@RAC-FER

6 ай бұрын

Let’s all subscribe so he can get more subs

@TheOboeCrack

6 ай бұрын

I've subscribed

Just putting my two pence in: in later recordings Hilary does play the LH pizz! Not sure why she doesn’t do it here, but in others she does :)

@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia

4 ай бұрын

She was quite young in that recording (can't remember how old exactly since Hilary has always looked much younger than her age 😄). So it's natural that her skills weren't as developed as they are today, even though her playing has always been exceptional.

Roman Kim be like.. USE THE THUMB.. You feeble humans..

@RosyOutlook17

2 ай бұрын

Lol!

As a pianist, God save the Violinists.

I literally play bass clarinet and clarinet, I cannot imagine even attempting to understand having to worry about the sophistication & precision of these pieces 😭

I liked this video as you really know what you are talking about, and had the courage to play as many of us would when trying to practice these incredibly difficult pieces. Actually many of us couldn't even attempt to play what you did. Yeah, Paganini's God Save the King seems to be written in a different language. I didn't think there was much that makes Ysaye seem easy, but that one does. Also, to play double harmonics likely helps to have a very good violin, and to be a virtuoso. You really have great knowledge and a very good sense of humor. I look forward to seeing more of your videos. If you pull off God Save the King......hats off to you.....I looked at that music, and said.....no way!

The "If you can play it slowely you can play it quickely"😂👏👏

LOVED LOVED LOVED this video! Props to you for even attempting to play excerpts from these pieces... I look at them and think: Yeaaaaaaahhh...Sure.

I think Hahn actually did play the sauret cadenza in one of her Paganini recordings, so just... more badass for her I guess lol.

Really fantastic video

Watching you, a perfectly good violinist, attempting to get through these tricky bits really showcases how difficult they are to perform.

this guy is really funny and entertaining!

funny video lol The way Roman Kim plays the double stop harmonics is with forced harmonics which I think is even harder but lets him do the double stop harmonic trill. I don't know how to do the double stop harmonic trill if you are using the 1-4 fingering for the double stop harmonics I wish I did

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

@andrewzhang8512

6 ай бұрын

You do fingered harmonics (1-3)

@Musicrafter12

6 ай бұрын

Generally for harmonic trills you can just fake it by just lightly tapping the note above. It does the job, though Roman's way actually allows the pure tone to speak and is obviously cleaner and better.

Omg, all the little jokes killed me lol. The “help me” and the claw marks had me rolling 😂

For Pag 5 and Pag violin concerto, you must review Maria Duenas. She is out of this world...

nice editing!

@hremiko

6 ай бұрын

🙌🙏 Appreciated

I really like your videos. Keep up the good work. Oh and by the way, I agree with you as to who is the greatest violinist alive today and Roman Kim is his name.

i would like to say ray chen also used the original bowing for paganini's 5th caprice when he performed it in the menuhin

Hey man, do you answer questions on here? Will you be playing the „can you hear the music“ piece from oppenheimer like YOU PROMISED???? The theme on 9 violins was beautiful btw

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Hey! Yes I haven’t forgotten! I’ve been really bombarded with other projects. It takes a lot of time to make an arrangement for 9 violins haha

Really cool stuff. You know what helps me with the trills ? Practising specific hand and finger strength. Doing those reverse opening finger resistance excercises, lots of forearm stretches and massage. Hard hand massage. It all helps a lot. Even lat massage to allow for good posture. Just being strong at lifting heavy things doesn't help. Specifics ... like arm wrestling...

Well, Chloe Chua nailed that cadenza lol

As far as I remember Leonidas Kavakos played the harmonics section.

Instantly recognized kogan s playing the sauret cadenza=D

I like you) keep doing what u do

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Appreciate it:)

This video cracked me up!

for god save the king, you can also find on youtube a video of kavakos playing it with the harmonics, which is also really impressive! (to me, thoses harmonics looks harder then roman kim's 'forced harmonics' because while it is true that this is a thing most violinist don't know how to do, it feels like once mastered, it can be more easily executed then the regular harmonics, where even if you know exactly how to produce it, it would still be very hard controlling all four fingers simultaneously. but i am not even a violinist, so i might be wrong about this.)

Doesn't Ning Feng do left hand pizzicato in the moment you said, in his recording of Der Erlkönig in 2012? Definitely check it out because I am not a violinist, I am a bassoonist, but I think he did left hand pizzicato in the part you said no one did.

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Bro you’re right! I know that in a later arrangement he didn’t include it.

1:18 (circling that "bass" B) - as it is - place your first finger for B, second finger for the G above, and the fourth finger for the G an octave above? That leaves your third finger to pluck the bass B. I don't know if I'm missing anything here..

Keep liking it so it shows up in more people’s recommended, so they can like it too, so it gets 50k!

Actually speaking of Paganini, would it be interesting to make a video on how he held it? When I was learning the violin I really wanted to learn more about it but the seniors in my string ensemble discriminated against me for "breaking tradition"

Did Oistrakh, Heifetz, or Perlman play Erlkoenig as written? (with the pizzicato)

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

I personally haven’t seen any recordings of them playing

@heifetz14

6 ай бұрын

Correct.@@ViolinMechanic

Wait, in the edition of the elkonig that i own it's written without the pizz, maybe this is more well known than the editions with pizz so that's why musicians dont play it

I play the cello so I'm watching this for fun 🗿👍🏼💣💥

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

I am very mediocre at the cello. Welcome to the channel!

@Luis.mahuiztl

6 ай бұрын

@@ViolinMechanic thank you!💛💛💛

@chia_s_ee_d

6 ай бұрын

Same!!!

Hey, great video, i think your mic glitched out when the video got to god save the king

This is the first video I see from this channel and I feel like I'm gonna see a lot more Edit: you got my like. I'll be part of the 50k mouahaha

So how many world venues have you played at ViolinMechanic?

You should have shown the Kavakos PAG 5 😂

On Paganini's you MUST check Kavakos:)

Erlkönig, Ning Feng played the octave and pizz on Spotify recording!!

Me: i wonder what the piece will be? (Approximately 4 seconds later): ah, erlkönig, of course

Ning Feng does the left hand pizz in die erlkonig. Ning Feng fans rise up

Hey, i also skipped some stuff in my Suzuki concert (I messed up lol) but I just continued and acted like nothing was wrong and no one even noticed!

@_.Sir_Isaac_Newton._

6 ай бұрын

well maybe no one gives a fuk because your a beginner suzuki player…

Whats the background music playing in your video

@hremiko

6 ай бұрын

Which one? There are 1. Tchaikovsky - Waltz of Flower 2. Bach - Tocata in D minor 3. Beethoven - Symphony No. 5

could you do a video where you spend a week trying to learn one of these pieces?

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Haha sure that would be a great idea, and a painful one. Which one do you have in mind?

@EllieJin

6 ай бұрын

@@ViolinMechanic I'd say the Paganini Cadenza! Have at it maybe?

@_.Sir_Isaac_Newton._

6 ай бұрын

@@ViolinMechanicgod save the king pls 😮

Did Roman Kim play the harmonics part of God Save the King?

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

He used his forced harmonics techniques

Music college students 100 years from now will probably be forced to practice Roman Kim's pieces as part of their repertoire. 😂 Just like Ernest's pieces once did. God save the violinists!

6:53 As a drummer this made me feel even worse about struggling with double kick pedal and fast double stroke rolls. I've got it easy compared to this! Mad respects to all violinists for not just giving up. Seems nightmarish to play.

Ernest. Nice one son.

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

🤣 gets more people to comment

Even if Zimmermann skipped the double harmonics for unknown reasons, his version of "God Save the King" is more musically permeated and phrased. Despite all its technical perfection, Roman Kim's version seems a little rushed, which also has to do with stage routine and experience. This is of course criticism at the highest level.

silliness mode won't build us...The firmer the more fruitful the result is.

Erlkönig: there is only left hand pizz in bar 2/3 and, 4/5 (and later in 33/34 and 35/36), but no left hand pizz in bar 9/10 and 11/12 when you play the G in octaves (at least in the sheet I have)... and I believe that that's the easiest part of the Grand Caprice (compared to the harmonics section starting in bar 58, or the trills starting in 117).

Roman Kim : nah I'm the one saving the King

8:15 that's the most blatant cheat I have ever seen, my goodness 🤣

I fall into the trap of writing impossible parts sometimes but wow that Sauret Candenza... that's not creativity anymore, that's just cruel

And why do I want to be professional Violist and Orchestra teacher again??

Cries in violinist* 😭

1:41 but I hear the pizz?

A classical music video or a violin video without a bit of Twoset, isn't a real video. 😂👍

Even though I don`t play violin, those technique make me painful

Erlkonig is hard but mostly because of the repetition and tension. The notes arn't too bad if you chill and relax. but yes the first part mentioned is basically impossible

0:15 "... and roman king"💀

@alejandronarvaez9806

5 ай бұрын

"Ernest" 💀

5:38 Flute players: First time?

it seems that hadn't only plays the pizza at certain moments. there are recordings of her (outside of professional recordings/performances) where she does the pizz only in certain parts.

" Balada " de Ciprian Porumbescu , e greu de interpretat ? 🤔😉😊

Im lookinf at all these pieces so i can make the hardest violin concerto ever only for no one to listen to it LOL

Sumina is insane.

Review Ernst's Last Rose Of Summer pleaseeeeee

Ruggiero Ricci never skipped anything. He was a made guy.

Amazing video! Just interested, what video editor do you use to edit your videos?

@hremiko

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video. I'm the editor 😄

It's famous, how Zimerman plucks the last g, as if with a guilt feeling that it is so easy, which it is. So he pauses as if to say, "neither me nor you came here to hear me play that last g, but all right then .... and then plucks that last g string!".

Again, he keeps on missing Roman Kim’s psycho ricochet

Kinda sad that Ernst, Last Rose of Summer or Liszt/Milstein, Mephisto Waltz didn't make it in the video.

That's why you need 7 fingers to play this instead of 5💀

Plot twist: at 50k likes he is actually going to play all the pieces

You used WAY TO MANY chapters! :D

If you're saying Hahn ducks difficulty, you're talking out of your...

Very entertaining! 😅 (I'm a retired symphony violinist, and I could never play most of these, even in "my prime").

Man, I can hear Hans doing the pizz and I can see her finger moving wtffffff

11:28 The algorithm will hold this against you and make this video go viral.

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully not, I need time to practice that horrible piece

We didn't get the rating on God Save the King...

@ViolinMechanic

6 ай бұрын

It’s off the scales

I mean it's like all Rush E renditions being made as skipping of parts. The piece is written to be impossible to play. Violinists have the same pieces also. Unless, the composer has played it, I am assuming the piece is actually just impossible, rather than difficult.

If they wrote it that means someone could play it.

Lol check out Wieniawski violin concerto 1

Ernest😂

But you did it (this pizz). Not bad

With Roman Kim, everything is possible

the whole reason Caprice 5 exists is for showing the power of ricochet, if you play it with sautillé you are just playing a form of moto perpetuo like many others, it loses all the magic!

If music is too difficult to play I SIMPLIFY it instead of just skipping it entirely. Several notes in different octaves are basically the same note, different versions of the same chord are basically the same chord, and different ways to play a note are basically the same note!

No one makes god save the queen sound musical is my opinion for hardest piece. It's so difficult and there's no payoff even for someone like Roman Kim.

@tommenbaratheon3612

3 ай бұрын

david garrett had a pretty good interpretation but that version was only the beginning