Ill play Scherzo and Tarantella if we hit 100k subs by the end of the year.

@kevinzhang9722

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a reach to me with 100k subs, but good luck with practicing Scherzo and Tarantella at the end of the year.

@organizedchaosmark

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinzhang9722is right. Getting to 100k subscribers is a tall order, perhaps even more so than performing Wieniawski.

@hopegold883

Жыл бұрын

I wish they hadn’t let her do the talk. I fear it’ll do her more harm than good.

@ViolinMechanic

11 ай бұрын

@@kevinzhang9722 I totally understand that it's a bold number, but time will tell... Until then, I'll be practicing as if my life depended on it. :)

@TheDarkwing76

11 ай бұрын

@@ViolinMechanic Why are you criticizing this violenist anyway? This does not give me incentive to subscribe. Maybe make some videos on progress that you have made. It would come off more positive and encouraging rather than critical of others and pedantic.

In her TED talk, she’s exploiting the teacher as monster, teacher as dream crusher stereotype. “Everyone says I’m a good player, but my teacher says I still have a lot to learn.” Well, we all have a lot to learn. Your own ears can hold you back from correcting mistakes in technique. A good teacher is there to tell you what’s lacking, and to point the way towards improvement.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

We have to crush _our own_ dreams. The magic needs to be wrung out of them. We do that by making them into goals, plans, obligations and routines. Once all of that is accomplished, _that's_ the time to bring the magic back in...once it's been earned. If you have the dedication, you'll be your own dream crusher. But if you _don't_ crush your dream, you'll get to watch it die slowly. Isn't that a great karmic joke?

@qianglin6245

Жыл бұрын

Imaging people telling her that she can't fly, but she insists she can and then jump off a cliff.

@StinkinGoodAle3241

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 Sometimes a teacher has to tell someone that they just will never make it as a professional. Being a professional violinist is damn hard, and extremely competitive. It is kinder to be told the bad news sooner rather than later.

@DanielSong39

Жыл бұрын

@@StinkinGoodAle3241 She can play chamber music and join a community orchestra and have a great time playing violin. She is far from professional level though.

@ericb7937

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to wokeness

Not gonna lie, when she says that her teacher said "Wow I was wrong, you CAN play it", after hearing that performance, there's a part of me that thought "And everybody in the music room clapped". There's no way she hasn't embellished her story somewhat.

@DovidM

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t be a TED talk without the perfect ending. TED talks follow a formula. Reality not so much.

@saralowe5306

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he said it in a way of yes you can play it.....but not the way its supposed to be played but I can't be bothered arguing with you and as a start with 1 weeks practice it's not all bad.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

Apparently, in the end, she _did_ swallow the bitter pill, got the prescription, took it daily as directed, and is now playing and governing herself like a high-level professional. Let's be honest. The violin is a *NASTY* instrument...temperamental, unyielding and cruel if you hope to get success and beauty out of it. That's why it, and classical music generally, are taught to young kids from underprivileged and privileged backgrounds alike (not so much in between). It teaches them a work ethic compatible with what it takes to generate value in a nasty world, ie, a market driven society. Artistic discernment, or even achievement is secondary.

@wintersprite

Жыл бұрын

He said she can play it. He didn’t say she can play it perfectly. I often make mistakes in my rhythm, etc. (even a metronome is sometimes tricky for me but I didn’t play any instruments as a kid-just sang in choir-so I never learned to use a metronome as a kid). My violin teacher will try to make a joke about it that I’m putting my own spin on it or something.

@eloisehellyer6857

Жыл бұрын

But did she tell everyone what he said after that??? It was either, get out of my studio. Or he listed everything she did wrong technically and how much she would have to learn before she could handle that piece properly. I doubt he said, The scales have fallen from my eyes and I now see I have completely underestimated you - you are a great violinist. I kinda doubt it.

This is a classic example of making a hard piece sound hard, instead of making it sound deceptively easy.

@PunguinYoga

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm. Interesting...

@chrissibersky4617

11 ай бұрын

I play guitar, not the violin, so I can't tell if it was on purpose but I think it sounds sloppy. For a guitarist it sounds like this when you don't start slow to but rather jumps straight in to a complicated piece. Like when you get something new and just play through it a first time to get a hint of what the piece is about, but then you start from the beginning and take it slow to get the sound right.

@Tostoyevski

5 ай бұрын

@@chrissibersky4617Im a beginner at violin and even to me she sounded like in a rush and was just trying to show her “speed”

As a cellist, I've played with so many violinists like this girl 🙄 some grow out of it, and I sincerely hope she will too. It was the slow trainquilo passage that really made it unmistakably obvious that her teacher was right when he said she wasn't ready to play this piece.

@ElishaJoelleSamarahArda

Жыл бұрын

YESSSSSSS

@FoxTrotteur

Жыл бұрын

Slow passages are always the most difficult because you have to never loose your focus and always inhabit what you're playing. You don't do both and you become instantly boring and flat.

@dominickbenincasa5043

Жыл бұрын

While learning to play violin, almost all of my violin section peers were like this all through school. It really tanked my self confidence.

@zandyowens8950

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Instead of reading music how you want it to sound, interpret how it was meant to sound. And def some improv is good, but there are reasons for why things are done the way they are done

@danielw4778

Жыл бұрын

It's like, congrats you've (nearly) emulated a Midi roll. Now make me feel something

This is absolutely cringe, and the incredibly sloppy playing isn’t the worst of it. There is blinding lack of maturity and understanding that is accentuated entirely by the way she threw her teacher (that she only saw a few months) under the bus and dropped his name. It’s actually disgusting and offensive. Let me tell you something: the music industry, especially at the upper echelons, is VERY small and this kind of behavior is not tolerated. IF (and it’s a big IF) this young lady actually learns to play well enough to become a bonafide professional musician or soloist, this Ted Talk will haunt her forever.

@mysticsummer3573

Жыл бұрын

damn bruh chill

@shamanik12

Жыл бұрын

​@@mysticsummer3573 but he's right😂

@gatoblanco5756

Жыл бұрын

Ngl I'm not a violinist so it sounds impressive to me

@jasonhuang6332

Жыл бұрын

@@gatoblanco5756 Not a violinist either but I've got a fairly good aural ability. I understand interval jumps are often super tricky on the violin, but hers were awful.

@AzaleaJane

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this really annoys me. She's gaslighting the audience into thinking that a) that was good playing and b) teachers suck. Irresponsible as hell.

When she was booked for TED to tell this story, she practiced this like her life depended on it, just like everyone booked on a TED does. So there is no way that she sounded like this in front of her teacher after just a week.

@Quantris

Жыл бұрын

It's a TEDx talk...IMHO it's basically 50-50 whether she prepared for this vs. took the slot last minute as a favor to the organizer because they needed someone to fill time

@gorak9000

Жыл бұрын

"TED Talks" are basically worthless now. Truth in advertising laws stipulate they should be renamed more accurately "wannabe karen rants"

@Silnid

Жыл бұрын

​@@gorak9000why Karen

@BrightBlueJim

Жыл бұрын

If her teacher was not happy with her performance after only a week of practicing the piece, that would just back up her objections about him. There is a difference between "you're not ready for that piece yet", and "that piece is not for you".

@hamwhacker

Жыл бұрын

I think you may have revealed the truth about the situation. I actually liked her performance. The high tempo was exciting and a lot of the notes were well under control with right & left hand in sync. Not sure I want to hear her play a different piece but this sounded impressive given the circumstances. The message to believe in yourself is brilliant.

I'm a teacher. The fact that, after 1 week on a piece, he was just like "good job honey, you did it" means that he gave up on her. The students I care about most I pick APART, because when it comes to music the work is NEVER done, and I know that they care about being better, not about being right. Coming from the perspective of a music teacher and a performer, this is not the story of triumph she thinks it is, quite the opposite actually lol I don't want to be mean, I think you did a far better job at being kind in your assessment 😂 but yeah, sometimes the truth hurts but makes us better.

@MissCaraMint

11 ай бұрын

Yeah. I remember spending several months on pieces when I had a teacher. It’s very hard to keep that level of exactness up without the help of an experienced teacher, but 1 week is just ridiculous.

@Stabby666

11 ай бұрын

I think they made a film about you called Whiplash.

@bearifiablepau2095

11 ай бұрын

Good reminder. :)

@Chiberia

11 ай бұрын

@@Stabby666not quite my tempo

@rue6914

5 ай бұрын

My classical voice teacher is the definition of tough love. I wouldn't be at the top if it wasn't for her criticism!

I had a teacher in college (Mrs Shin) who was extremely restrictive in selection of works for her students. Her argument was that just because you can play the notes doesn't mean you have the ability to perform as the composer intended. She didn't want her students to learn works incorrectly from the outset because habits can be so ingrained that they are difficult to change. I resented it at first and found her to be a wicked task master. Overtime, I grew to really appreciate and respect her. I was devestated when she left the college after that year. One year with her had more impact on my skill and development than any other teacher or professor I had after.

@RandyMoe

Жыл бұрын

Idiot experts kill many learners

@JoyfulNoiseLiving

Жыл бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@Skullemojiiii

Жыл бұрын

yeah, on piano a lot of people jump into bach fugues without fully being able to appreciate the voices how they should be played, and i think its really a shame because it gets people to dislike bach because they rushed into it, i think a conservative approach to repitoire is best

@SilverStarFour

Жыл бұрын

Yep there is something about actual music vs. .... hearing a bunch of noise that sounds kinda like music but isn't really music.

@colinslant

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's like... it's almost as if... your teacher... knows more than you... 🙂

There is one other little thing to add. I’m a violin teacher, too, btw. If her teacher meant she wasn’t ready to play this piece, he didn’t mean she couldn’t physically play it. - which she has shown she can - but that she isn’t ready to play this piece without hurting herself (something many young instrumentalists don’t consider). Technique serves to make things easier, but it also serves to protect us from injury. He also meant that she wasn’t ready to play it musically as her technical level, while certainly superior, was not at the level for her to effortlessly express the music. Computers can play music a lot better than we can - the notes, that is. But who wants to listen to a computer? For all this young woman’s accomplishments (and there is a lot of practicing and general hard work to get where she has gotten), she sounds like a computer but with more out of tune notes. Trusting your teacher is paramount. If you don’t trust you teacher, change immediately. You will be doing both of you a favor. I’m surprised her teacher didn’t kick her out of his studio - many teachers would (I wouldn’t, but I’m strange) for her presumption. Or I’ll bet he gave her a helluva lesson on what was wrong, where her technique was lacking, etc.etc., until she understood that she really isn’t ready for it and will put it aside for now. I have had the privilege to know and talk with many great virtuosi who happen to be fantastic violinists and artists. They all say the same thing: technique, technique, technique. And having your students play pieces that are slightly below their technique level so they can develop their musicianship. If we can’t play music musically, then it’s just gymnastics. Thanks for this critique. It’s something that needs to be said. There are lots of arrogant youth out there who think they know more than their teachers. If this young lady continues like this, let’s see what physical condition she finds herself in a few years. I am reminded of something Salvatore Accardo told me: He was a child prodigy and his father, realizing it, pushed his son’s teacher to have young Salvatore play Paganini caprices. Finally the teacher told the father, if you ask me this again, I will stop teaching your child. But let me ask you something: Do you want your son to play until he’s 85 or until he’s 25? The father answered until he was 85. So the teacher told him to have patience. Accardo won the second Paganini competition when he was 16, I believe. So he got to Paganini, but when his teacher decided it was time, not his father (or in the case above, an untrusting and impatient student). Accardo is 80 years old and he still does play, btw. Also had a brilliant career, none of which would have been possible had he not had a saint for a teacher, who did not try to take advantage of his student’s talent for his own ends.

@DanielSong39

Жыл бұрын

Yeah injuries can be harsh I've had stretches where I couldn't play for years due to injury These days I can't play for more than an hour so I stick to very simple pieces and work on the tone

@FalconPLT333

Жыл бұрын

The amount of young musicians playing very technically without accounting for injuries is staggering. Plus, a more technically humble piece played with subtlelty and emotion will always be infinitely more enjoyable to hear than a technical one played simply for the sake of being played. Loreena McKennit is the prime example of that: the melodies aren't the most complex in the world, and yet that's some of the most charming, emotionally charged music I could ever mention.

@penguinZ85

Жыл бұрын

My college roommate was a violin performance major and was constantly dealing with injuries.

@materialgawd2748

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way, she CAN do it, but she doesn't GET it. *Playing* music and *performing* music are two different hurdles as a musician

@bacicinvatteneaca

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, bucko, but the reason why nobody wants to listen to a computer is that computers are worse at playing music (specifically, microscopic dynamic and rhythmic elements), because the humans that write down the music for them are bad at doing that.

Honestly I don’t think it’s right to air disagreements with teachers and actually name then publicly on the internet. That’s not cool. Why bother hiring the teacher if you are not going to listen to them? Honestly TED talks lost their credibility with me long ago. They exist for self promotion. Most are shallow and have the feel of a required speech from a speech class in high school.

@patheddles4004

Жыл бұрын

TEDx isn't the same thing as TED. Other than that, mostly agreed.

@katiekawaii

Жыл бұрын

They never should have put their name to these TEDx talks. I really think it hurt their credibility.

@patheddles4004

Жыл бұрын

@@katiekawaii that does seem pretty clear at this point, yeah.

@amandaturnerpiano

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more with "Why bother hiring the teacher if you are not going to listen to them." I've taught piano for 20 years and I've never understood people who paid me to teach them/their children, and then push back on everything I tell them. It makes no sense at all.

@wildwomanofthewoods

11 ай бұрын

I think the whole point of her doing this was to try to get a label to sign her. She doesn't feel she needs to learn anything and is just hoping to become famous.

The thing is she isn't actually bad and definitely has huge potential it's just her mindset holding her back

@evinnra2779

11 ай бұрын

I don't play the violin but I do have ears and this performance was rather painful to listen to. The TED talk message that confidence is important when it comes to learning is actually the precise opposite of what should have been said. Its impossible for our brain to learn without first humbling our ego to the task.

@LuaanTi

11 ай бұрын

@@evinnra2779 Yeah. To learn, you need to first accept that there is something for you to learn.

@snikrepak

11 ай бұрын

​@@evinnra2779her ego is eating her world.

@RatPfink66

11 ай бұрын

@@evinnra2779 And with a task as demanding as virtuoso level violin playing, it really doesn't require very much ego at all before you're standing in your own way.

@captainpawpawchannel

9 ай бұрын

​@@evinnra2779 yes she played bad, not sure why the youtuber said it was ok, i mean she has obvious potential but it was so painful to hear

a ted talk that consists of "my teacher said I wasn't ready for this, but I TOTALLY AM" shows not just immaturity as a player but immaturity as a person and maybe it's best saved for the TEDx: middle school edition.

If she has no future goals to become a professional musician, then I'm good with her learning a piece that she enjoys on her own. She certainly has the necessary music reading skills to do so. However, if she wants to become a professional musician, especially a soloist, she needs to check her attitude because the playing that she did on the Ted talk shows that she's unwilling to practice and her words show that she's unwilling to take instruction. I would have been ashamed to play that quality in a "yes, I can" talk.

@anlingitalia

Жыл бұрын

I agree. As much as I can’t stand spoiled brats, I also cannot stand patronizing old men. I am not implying that anyone involved in this was a spoiled brat or patronizing old man, but if your teacher is not a good match, it would be a good idea to be frank about your goals and have him/her devise a clear pathway to make those goals attainable. If her teacher really said, “this is too hard for you” with little explanation of what hurdles she must overcome to accomplish certain techniques within the piece, he may not have been a great teacher. Blindly trusting a teacher is not advisable, and learning a piece just to prove him wrong is equally inadvisable. They should be on the same team.

@KarenMartinCAAZ

Жыл бұрын

@@anlingitalia I agree. I teach beginning piano, and I make sure I understand the goals of the student. I am more than happy to teach them to a point where they can read music and understand enough theory to play for their own enjoyment. I've also had students who want to play at a certain level, so I provide them with the accountability and encouragement to get there. In my much younger days, I was looking for a piano teacher because my music teacher who taught me violin didn't have the time in her schedule, so she referred my brother and I to someone else. We had to audition. I was pretty up front with my goals after hearing my brother and I. She was willing to take on my brother and told me that I would never be able to play Chopin. I was confused since I never wanted to play Chopin. I'm in the small hand gang. But in later years, for my own challenge, I sat down and learned one of Chopin's simplest preludes. So, I understand the "I'll show you" attitude, but I'm not going to perform the prelude in a Ted talk as a "stick you in the eye" revenge to call out a teacher who hurt my feelings. I felt like her feelings were apparent as she made her final remarks.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@anlingitalia The spoiled brats are a much bigger threat than the patronizers. And we would have a lot fewer of them if there were more trust put in teachers and less cynicism about the whole, holy rite of the grind. Put bluntly, you are either a grind, or you are spoiled. Cassiel needed a lot more than a clear pathway to her goals. She needed to put herself fully in the hands of the process and say, "I am not in control of the process. I need to learn what it's like to give total devotion to partial results." That's a bitter pill to swallow. But the best in any demanding endeavor take it every day. They don't meditate on it, they don't look within themselves, they just put their interfering emotions aside and think only of the next mark they have to hit.

@anlingitalia

Жыл бұрын

@ratpfink66 Historically speaking, when people stop reflecting and blindly follow, genocide is allowed to happen. Thinking differently has lead to progress. Maybe we are not talking about the same thing?

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@anlingitalia If it is, it certainly is to a different degree. The issue with progress is that in the case of classical musical virtuosity, it is mostly behind us. The system is centuries old and is essentially perfect. It knows what it wants, how to get it, _gets it._ And the hell with anyone who can't or won't produce it. What ought to be "genocided," culturally speaking, is the _generational conceit_ that people always matter more than results, and that it's a right or a responsibility to rethink systems that are psychically or emotionally oppressive. When does the questioning stop? It's the death of discipline and action. When do you face up to a reality that cares nothing for you as a human being? _How_ do you? People under age 40 have been raised to think of discipline as a benign life skill. Brush your teeth, don't play in traffic, don't let the laundry pile up. Certain professions excepted, they don't understand what it is to commit themselves without a reward in sight - psychic or material. To work like hell day in, day out, just for the _possibility_ of results somewhere down the line. To deny oneself the luxury of questioning. We all know this life isn't just candy and cake. What these people don't know is that sometimes it is a sick cosmic joke - on each of us and our humanity. Sometimes it is a test of dumb, brute perseverance. We can't laugh off all our nightmares. Some are not even avoidable, except at a great cost. They _must_ be lived through, and sometimes, taken on voluntarily. And these are typically the ones we trade for lasting meaning and achievement.

I am a piano teacher and I have a student like this. She jumped into pieces way too hard for herself and refused to go through the process of learning intermediate pieces. Now she’s playing some of the most difficult repertoire that exists but she never fixed some of those basic techniques that I was hoping she’d master before trying these pieces. So, her pieces do suffer for it however she enjoys playing and I think if I’d have stuck to holding her back she would have quit. I am very proud of her despite the fact that she has her own persnickety habits. I will say though that she has no hope of being a professional musician in the performance world and only plays for fun.

@reyne8424

Жыл бұрын

I was like this on the guitar. After 10 years of playing around campfires and attempting to play harder fingerstyle pieces, I didn’t touch one for a year because I got frustrated and distracted. Now I have started again from scratch, and after only 6 month of beginner pieces, I play better than I ever have before! Don’t skip the basics and technique practice!

@sophieburton5804

Жыл бұрын

I was a bit like this with the violin many years ago, forever biting off more than my technique could chew. I loved it, it got me through some truly awful teen years, and I had a wonderful teacher who somehow made a reasonable university music department violinist out of me. The best outcome for the student sometimes is letting them be a complete dipstick like me. It's good to hear a teacher who gets this, and I hope your lessons together are as joyful as mine were.

@samanthaquant7411

Жыл бұрын

@@sophieburton5804 Aw thanks for that!

@jasonhuang6332

Жыл бұрын

@@samanthaquant7411 Less applicable in the classical world perhaps, but certainly in schools of Jazz there's place for a bit of "bad" technique, especially if it results in a unique and pleasing tone.

@penguinZ85

Жыл бұрын

I’m also a piano teacher and was like your student. After I had been playing for about 20 years, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor and the surgery affected my left side. I was paralyzed on my left side for about a week after surgery. I still have some weakness on my left side and my left fingers are a bit clumsy. I tried to play some of my more difficult pieces when the moment came back and I started getting stronger. It was discouraging, so I ordered a book of beginner arrangements of popular classical pieces. After working on those for about a week, I went back to pieces that were more challenging. I was surprised to see how much doing easier pieces helped to improve my playing. Now, I just play for fun or to teach my students.

Practicing the basics over and over is what differentiates pros from enthusiastic amateurs in virtually every field.

Not gonna lie, I feel like she was really using this TEDTalk (emphasis on the talk) to just prove to her teacher that “she could play this in a week”and degrade him as well. She didn’t even have that good of a point in my opinion… just how her teacher told her that she has boundaries in her playing that can be fixed with time. Teachers are meant to teach, not sugarcoat technique. Teachers are supposed to help you with things that you struggle with, not just tell you what you want to hear. A real musician will assist you with your technique. He’s not a dream crusher, just trying to help her get better at what she loves.

@keyz6380

Жыл бұрын

Teachers are being supposed to help their students with the things they struggle with. She’s basically claiming that her teacher didn’t do that, so really it’s just her thought against yours. If you can provide some sort of information that attempts to prove why this teacher was justified, that would be more valuable.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

They have to teach you to crush your _own_ dreams. To make goals and obligations out of them and stop chasing the magic until all the boxes are checked. To make your dream work (verb), you have to make your dream work (noun).

Pablo Casals when asked, as an elderly master cellist, why he practiced basic technique every day answered,"Because I think I am seeing some improvement!"

I’m surprised twoset violin didn’t react to this earlier. Props to you for making this video. I was laughing so hard at 10:42 lol

@bekas79

Жыл бұрын

"Okaay let's move a little bit forward" was when I burst out laughing x'DD

@allstarmark12345

Жыл бұрын

TWO SETTTTTTT MUST MAKE A VIDEO

@wooftamer532

Жыл бұрын

I was looking for the comment about the time stamp 😂 Also, yes! Twoset should definitely react!

@KF-zb6gi

11 ай бұрын

these sounds made my ears bleed, that I want to see eddy and brett ears bleed with me

As an 8 year violinist who quit a few years ago, I can’t say anything about her playing as I am definitely not a pro. Your analysis makes complete sense though. In my opinion, her playing of this piece, even though it needs lots of work, isn’t what is annoying lots of violinists. It’s how she disses the teacher and acts like she’s better than him and how she wants to prove him wrong simply to feel more superior.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

The instrument teaches an ethic of subservience if you are well taught. You are its servant. She didn't accept that, or didn't accept it fully enough.

@Ling__Ling__

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 I personally disagree with this subservience view. I personally believe, as a current violin student, that an instrument is rather more of an extension of the musician. Everything the musician is feeling is transmitted through the instrument. I was recording an excerpt from the beginning of the 4th Mvt of Prokofiev 1(absolute banger in its entirety) and my teacher told me "the recording doesn't lie, the naked ear can't discern everything but the recording can." If you're tense, you can hear it. If you're nervous, you can hear it. Everything is in the sound. A perfect example of this is in this very video. The part where ViolinMechanic points out the scratching in the spiccato section, that's because of her tight wrist and her entire body being tensed up. But that's personally my opinion based on my experiences playing violin.

@IamGrimalkin

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher was deliberately trying to elicit this kind of reaction. At the end of the day, she probably practiced a lot more that week than she did other weeks; and practicing a lot, even in a non-optimal way, will make her a better violinist.

@465marko

11 ай бұрын

@@Ling__Ling__ What, so yours doesn't boss you around and make you bring it cups of tea??

@Ling__Ling__

11 ай бұрын

@@465marko yeah lol

I don't think she proved the point she thought she was making other than how entitled she is. I'm sure her teacher had other pieces in mind to fix the inflexibility of her wrist and open up her sound during more passionate parts.

@JavaScripting64

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if he explained those specific reasons why she thought she wasn’t ready and she didn’t listen that’s not good. If he didn’t it might have helped her to be less frustrated and feel more motivation if she knew what she had to work on specifically rather than “just okay scales”.

I would imagine that the conversation with her teacher went more like this: *Plays piece* Teacher, "So you took this week to learn this piece?" Her, "yes" Teacher, "For 1 week that was pretty good, however, to really take this piece and your overall playing ability to the next level, you have to have a firmer grip on the fundamentals of violin playing. You CAN play this piece, but without a good understanding of the basics, you can't take it to a more proficient level. I'm not subjecting you to these 'basic' practices because I underestimate you or your playing, I just want to ensure that as you start learning and playing more challenging repertoire, you have a strong foundation in your setup and technique." If anybody else has an idea on how that conversation went, let me know, but there is no way her teacher just said, "Wow I was wrong, You can play it" with out giving any other feedback.

@organizedchaosmark

Жыл бұрын

Wholeheartedly agree with your analysis! I was lucky enough to have some truly phenomenal teachers on my instrument, one of which is easily one of the best in the world (cheeses sounding, I know, but very true), and there is no way that he would have ever uttered those words to me “wow, I was wrong, you can play it”, no matter how well I played something… and if he did, I don’t think that he would be the pedagogue that he is. My comment on this video has nothing to do with how well or not well she played, but her attitude and mentality. I hope that she’s grown but I am dubious. This kind of mindset is very hard to grow beyond.

@SilverStarFour

Жыл бұрын

I would imagine her teacher probably giving a lecture on, "If you learned this within a week as you say, why did you not practice what I told you to practice and get it down within less than 1 week since it's technically easier?" My teacher would get on my case if I didn't do what I was supposed to. And mannnn she would be fuming angry if I didn't practice it to perfection.

@465marko

11 ай бұрын

@@organizedchaosmark I'm not a violinist. But the attitude does smack a little of the kind of overconfidence that leads you to a plateau, where it takes years and yeras to realise that you actually suck (relatively speaking, I'm not saying she sucks really - just comparatively). It just seems like maybe she's overestimating her ability a little and doing that can hinder growth because.... you're already really good and it came so easy, so you don't have to put in as much effort!

@puijela3170

11 ай бұрын

chatgpt looking ass answer

@nineteenfortyeight6762

11 ай бұрын

He might have said, "😶 ... Wow ... I was wrong. Remind your dad to Venmo me."

I never felt so antagonized by a video in my life. Makes me wanna do my scales

@Ruthavecflute

11 ай бұрын

Well, maybe this video had one useful effect then

I played for a couple of years and rushed through some levels as a kid and picked it up again at college (as a non-music student. i.e. doing it just for fun). So, ofc, I neglected a lot of fundamental skills when I first learned to play violin. At college, I got super lucky and had a so-called "prodigy" violin teacher who had her first recital at an age of 6, won many prizes, played at a world-class orchestra. She broke down the music line in the most elegant and engaging way for me, and this made me revere the repertoire. She started with teaching me how to practice scales, arpeggios, etudes, and never ceased to emphasize "practice slowly!!!! (as she yelled at me)" She told me practicing slowly to not only learn the notes but also find good phrasings and right tone qualities, etc. She was also very honest and told me that profession musicians like her also lose intonation if they are lax about practicing. This girl is not ambitious enough, in my opinion. She is happy with "I can play it" rather than "I can play it beautifully or even masterfully". and the latter takes time and patience, takes, I believe, lifelong of scales and arpeggios if you will. ps. GEEEEZE I MISS MY TEACHER SO MUCH

@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa

Жыл бұрын

I played violin for fun for a few years as well! I ended up moving away after graduation and I haven’t had a teacher since, and my technique is so much worse than what it used to be now that I don’t have an incentive to practice. I really miss my teacher as well. I’ll always be so grateful to her for teaching me how rewarding it is to be able to play a piece with musicality and have it sing. I don’t play much anymore but I still love the violin as an instrument, and I might even pick it up again someday when I can.

@Lane-yl6sk

Жыл бұрын

@@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa My teacher was also the most supportive mentor I ever had. i had a very small financial crisis (so not so bad that i would have to go homeless) during pandemic and she learned about that and asked me if i have enough food every single lesson. I love this lady so much. I ve been also pondering what to do next to stay motivated to practice every day. I did not stop lessons at college bc I know I would stop practicing otherwise... Now I don't have the luxury to take lessons. For now I feel like setting goals might help...? What do you think? I can really use some advice here🥺

@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa

Жыл бұрын

@@Lane-yl6sk Oh geez I’m not sure I could offer much advice since I also stopped practicing 😭 I consider myself a visual artist though, and what motivated me to take drawing practice seriously is having a long term and short term goal and doing things that I felt were contributing to that! That and making sure I could incorporate something I loved into practice that I’d otherwise consider boring. Maybe having a similar approach could help with music as well? The times I’ve casually picked up the violin years after any of my lessons was when I had a specific piece I wanted to try to play. Personally I had more desire to play when the pieces were slightly below my skill level and I could focus more on musicality and having fun. Maybe finding a piece you love, incorporating scales and arpeggios that are in the same key (which I didn’t do oops, but I realize how important they are thanks to this video), and focusing on musicality over just hitting the right notes could be a fun way to keep up with practice! You can always return to lessons later to level up your technique whenever you’re able, but I think nurturing joy and passion is the most important part of any hobby. Sorry for the huge text block I tend to ramble a lot, but I really hope it helps somewhat! Also your teacher sounds so kind and lovely, I think she’d be proud of how driven you are to practice even on your own :)

@tucagwathiel3380

Жыл бұрын

​@@Lane-yl6sk Pianist and harpist here so I may not be able to give advice about violin practice itself, but suggestions of staying motivated. Sightread. Get a book of music that is within your range of not being too difficult for you and is within your capabilities, yet is music you haven't played before and work at sightreading. If you put in all that you've learned about technique into it, there is nothing more rewarding than being able to sightread through a piece of music, and once you can, you can then use that piece as part of your exercise warm up routine before working on any harder music you have set to learn. Doing one sightreading piece a day (at the end of your practice) will be like a treat and leave you ending the practice with that 'successful feel good/proud' feeling that will make you want to experience that feeling again the next day then the day after and so on. Especially when you can hear the work you've put into the attempt (whether it's vibrato, dynamics, etc) then start to shine in through the music. Hope this advice helps!

I'm a classical singer, and there is nothing worse than a teacher telling you that you are not able to perform a particular piece. When playing music, and even more so when singing, you pour your every heart and soul into this piece, this piece IS you at this moment, and being told "that's not good" or "you're not ready for this" is literally heartbreaking. So I totally understand where this girl comes from, and mastering an instrument requires so much resilience regarding rejection and negative critique. It's quite zen, actually ;-) it's about reducing your ego and putting the music before everything else. Respecting the music and letting it speak for itself and not trying to show off. This is what is meant by "maturity", I believe.

@asvegas777

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree this can be hard but overall teachers know better and have good intentions. With singing there is also vocal development /age. Teachers not only pay attention to what you can/should do today but also consider how the voice will change with age. That can also be part of why one will not often be recommended to sing a dramatic Wagnerian soprano as a teenager for example - one may want to or even be technically able to sing the work but the voice might simply not be mature enough yet.

This is not a question of ability, but rather more about her attitude and poor musicianship. With the correct guidance and more practice, I can see her performing this piece to its fullest potential. But I wouldn't call out my teacher's name publicly like this though, very unprofessional. Don't hire the person as a teacher if you are not happy with the service, no need to defame people's name like that.

@kassemir

Жыл бұрын

How is this defaming. If you're a high profile teacher, of course people are gonna talk about you publicly, happens all the time.

@daa589

Жыл бұрын

"this piece is perfect" "It will be once it's played by me!". - batwoman

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@kassemir Because in music everything gets around. You can be blackballed for basically anything, including criticizing those up the ladder from you.

@PunguinYoga

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 I don't recall all the details. But even someone as famous as Kathleen Battle can be fired if people get sick of her infamous temper tantrums and childish demands. The music world was shocked when the Metropolitan Opera fired her and I think she couldn't find work for a time.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@PunguinYoga i'm just saying, if the community is in enough thrall to producing excellence, nothing human is allowed to get in the way. its kind of like the repeated gymnastics scandals. athletes were physically abused because authorities held that kind of power. the difference in music is it's the traditions that hold the power. there's no one to blame except those who run afoul of being excellent. whether they're too arrogant, too childish or just too human doesn't matter.

i think she had the capability of doing this but at the time (i dont know how she plays now) she was so into proving her teacher wrong that she missed evolving how she played this. The way she played here was a work in progress......it sounded like she was working on it for a very short time........if it were a home video in the living room where she said " i am working on this, provide feedback" itd be much better. She showed no humility here . and went and did a ted talk with a half-as**ed project. The proper way to present this wouldve meant having played this with a pianist first even.

@anlingitalia

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for not totally roasting us living room/bedroom performers. Although I don’t mind being roasted 😂

@wakingtheworld

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@wintersprite

Жыл бұрын

@@anlingitalia I’m one as well. I’ve posted a couple of Christmas violin performances that I’ve filmed myself. It allows me to do multiple tries on a song and pick which one I hope sounded best. Yay, editing.

@rickpearlstein6421

Жыл бұрын

Tonal clarity is not in this woman's vocabulary.

@jaysonfrankwitbooi216

Жыл бұрын

She played for a longtime with various people and communities before walking into a class with that prodigy. She was humble enough to take his comment for 6 months and prepared that monster of a piece in a week....... some people are great .....I worked with teachers who have bigger egos than the world. ...and who trample on other people's love as they see fit. Teachers can be selfish bastards themselves. Making it all the students doing. My grade 8 Piano was retained for 5 years because my teacher that I was not good enough.......I left Piano class and prepared myself for the piano examination and passed. We young..... Grade 8 music and concerti music is above most of people living today. We want to enjoy music not make it a constant french harpsichord battle. I play 24 to 30 instruments on various levels, I wrote many operas and symphonies....who cares what the level is, as long as people enjoy it and make the music their own. Ragujg about shit....?

7:10 I love how she plays a semitone below the final note, and then overcompensates and plays the note a semitone above the final note...the EVENTUALLY the final ACTUAL note itself. That was golden...

@nineteenfortyeight6762

11 ай бұрын

😆

Just because it is your favorite piece doesn’t mean you’re ready to play it 🌚

I feel like her teacher was humoring her rather than being honest.

@alhfgsp

Жыл бұрын

There's nothing worse from a teacher. My teacher won't let me get away with anything and I've made very good progress painstakingly attacking bad habits before they solidify.

@xxorsayxx

Жыл бұрын

it is to the point that "okay fine if u don't wanna listen to me don't listen"

@victoriaegan8777

Жыл бұрын

It's true, she could play it. Whether or not it sounded good was the question.

@PrometheanRising

Жыл бұрын

@@victoriaegan8777 call it a lie of omission if you prefer.

@MaggaraMarine

Жыл бұрын

If her teacher was humoring her, then they are a really bad teacher. A teacher is supposed to help their students, not to ridicule them for not doing what the teacher wants them to do. If the student isn't listening to the teacher, it's also partly the teacher's fault. A lot of people's enjoyment for music has been ruined because of "unethical" teaching methods. The teacher-student relationship isn't a one-sided relationship where the student does everything that the teacher tells them to do. The teacher also needs to listen to the student and adapt their teaching methods to suit the student. If the student doesn't want to learn what the teacher teaches, then maybe the teacher isn't the right teacher for the student. All in all, roasting her after this performance wouldn't be justifiable. A teacher should never roast their student, but also, it wasn't a _terrible_ performance. Was it perfect? Of course not. But it's definitely a good starting point. If someone learned this in a week, that's definitely impressive. Does that mean they are actually ready to _perform_ it? Definitely not. But it gives her a lot of concrete examples of what to work on (and she will also be motivated in practicing, because there's a clear goal). And this is the importance of learning actual music, and not just technique out of context.

I loved this video. As a violinist, almost eleven years in and studying at college, technique never stops. Some of my fellow violinists envy me my vibrato, but they don't envy the literal _three years_ I spent wiggling each finger back and forth individually, with the metronome, fifteen minutes every day. Yeah, it's not all that interesting, but in time, you learn to see your own growth during these periods. Keep practicing y'all!

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

"Not all that interesting" - then you're very fortunate. The younger generation of players are going to absolutely hate it...probably for years on end...and have to see it through all the same. And maybe they deserve to. There's no Zen state in practice, nothing meditative. It depends on constant concentration without incremental reward. Maybe the most Western act we can ask of ourselves...being fully an instrument of process.

@jo_plays_cello

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 I would disagree that there is nothing Zen about practicing. I personally find it very relaxing to sit, making my body completely relaxed, focusing on keeping a heavy relaxed arm and hand and soft, light fingering hand and play through all the scales as many octaves as I like. Even with an empty brain just the feeling of weight and vibrations is really relaxing and it really does help. I’ve had reoccurring carpal tunnel syndrome from not relaxing my hands and practicing relaxing is still practicing. Not only am I preventing injury and ensuring my future career, but you can hear it in my sound too. I have a more natural, effortless expression and my contact point and dynamics are quite frankly more professional. Not all practicing has to be intense, completely mentally draining. And practice does not create immediate results. Sometimes the results it does create are not even visible to us because we tend to raise our standards too fast for us to realize much of our progress. At least I do and I’m sure I’m not alone. But just because I can’t see my immediate progress doesn’t mean it’s not worth it. What makes it worth it are those Zen scales and the relaxed hands that allow me to play without pain. It’s the technical ability that allows us to put the deepest of our emotions into sound using a wooden box and a couple wires and there’s not shame in the tediousness required to do so. Only pride.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@jo_plays_cello That's amazing. I learned this totally western attitude where you have to constantly force yourself through everything. This is so, so different. I guess you know a lot of musicians don't agree with it.

@connerstines1578

Жыл бұрын

That's why I just stopped. I realized it's 20 years of hours a day to be even mediocre at violin for me.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@connerstines1578 Have you considered becoming a fiddler? Seriously.

She definitely shows her potential technique capabilities, but she still has a long way of becoming a good musician

Terrific analysis. I'm a classical bassist and teacher, and all your comments are spot on. What I don't understand is why TEDx gave her a stage?

@nineteenfortyeight6762

11 ай бұрын

Her daddy paid for it.

@Thetarget1

11 ай бұрын

TedX are just local events organised by random people. It doesn't have the same quality control as TED

Ah, the one credo of everyone under a certain age: "if I just believe in myself, I can do it," and then they skip all the hard work. Self-belief is not going to allow you to do algebra, dunk a basketball, or cook a spaghetti bolognese properly. Mastering difficult techniques requires humility and dedication, not petulance. I'm an educator, and my students are always conveying to me that they want me to take care of them, to "give them self-esteem" (before they've accomplished anything), to butter them up. Me: "There are multiple errors in every sentence you wrote." Student: "that makes me feel bad." Me: Thank goodness I can retire in a couple years. By then everyone will be using ChatGPT anyway.

@ViolinMechanic

Жыл бұрын

Yes unfortunately, we have come to a period in time where we put feelings before hard work and hope for encouragement in return. You nailed it! Speaking of ChatGPT, I uploaded a video today of it attempting to teach me violin. It was despicably pathetic and if you’ve had a rough day, I hope it brings you 10 minutes of laughter:)

@KH-no7ph

Жыл бұрын

@@ViolinMechanic I'll check it out!

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@ViolinMechanic ...and if you haven't had a rough day, _by all means go and have one._ There's no better path to learning that hard work means accepting everything that's hard about it.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

> Self-belief is not going to allow you to do algebra, dunk a basketball, or cook a spaghetti bolognese properly. And self-belief isn't even necessary to do the work! What's the first thing every military drill instructor makes sure of in basic training? To break the new recruit of all self-worth. He has to learn to work like hell WITHOUT believing in himself and EARN THE RIGHT to do so again. Of course training for war is nothing without maximum stress. Playing an instrument doesn't take THAT level of suffering, but what is essential is MATTER OVER MIND. Feeling bored and restless? Good! Follow the steps until you're done for the day - and get ready for another day just like it tomorrow. Consider it the price of progress!

@billcook4768

Жыл бұрын

The thing is, she hasn’t skipped hard work. To play at her level requires a ton of hard work. But she - like most people to be fair - wants to put hard work into the fun stuff and not the boring bits.

This whole talk sounded like massive ego lifting. I can't judge on her muscial performance as I'm not a musician (so if a friend of mine played like this on a private occasion, I'd certainly be impressed), but the reaction confirmed what I thought. This talk was not about believing in oneself, it was about her and her inability to deal with criticism. I bet the TED audience gave her a big applause, because most of them have no clue about music, so for them it sounded pretty good. It was a fishing for compliments. After she showed her play to the teacher, the teacher probably just gave up on expectations and thought "ah, ok, that's the level you want to play and take pride of, then I will level down my goals with you as well" and decided not to argue with her and just take her money for continued classes hoping the next students has higher ambitions.

@cjpatz

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure she might been trying to work some, “girl power” angle in there.

@Alexthecatlovesmusic

11 ай бұрын

This is one of the frustrations I experience being a music teacher. Some students expect to be at an intermediate level right away without even trying to learn the basics properly. Another frustrating thing is the students not practicing but still expecting new things to learn. Sorry, that’s not how it works also the lesson is not considered practice that’s why it’s called a “lesson”.

Loved this coverage

@Sarah-oj7bh

2 ай бұрын

You here? That's unexpected!

I am not trained in violin so I have no idea how it's supposed to sound. I've always wanted to learn but I can hear the difference between yours and hers. Your playing sounds so passionate.

@wintersprite

Жыл бұрын

You can start learning at any age. I started trying to teach myself in my 20s and found a violin teacher in my early 30s (I’m 37 now).

@DanielSong39

Жыл бұрын

You know enough, if you enjoy the performance that all the performer can ask for Obviously ViolinMechanics is a pro and Cassiel is not

@meraldlag4336

11 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@winterspritecongrats for starting 👍 keep practicing

It’s like she’s never had a new teacher before. Every new teacher I’ve had always starts by returning to the basics. They focus on things the previous teacher may have missed. That’s why I think it’s important to move on to new teachers through different phases of your life. With each new teacher I improved immensely. She also seems to just think that at a certain point there’s nothing left to learn… And her performance reminds me of a typical advanced orchestra student who focuses on if they can play the notes, but not necessarily how they should be played or putting any musicality into it.

"I don't have any technical skill, therefore technical skill is gatekeeping! Stop oppresing my art!"

As a luthier with years of experience selling my instruments, I have come to believe that the myths surrounding “prodigies” and “talent” are surprisingly damaging to the average person. If I had a nickel for every time I heard that someone was tone deaf (and recognized music by ear no problem), or “couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket”, I could fund NASA. Behind every “prodigy” there are untold hours of practice and often someone else with problems pushing them to perform at that level. The belief that some people can be amazing at something without putting in the work is used as the only excuse people need to never do something they would absolutely enjoy.

@bacicinvatteneaca

Жыл бұрын

Funny, I know of musicians that have played for 10 years and still struggle a bunch with ear training stuff

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

_"Putting in_ the work" implies we do it in a spirit of _not getting anything out of it._ That is essential, because work for work's sake is the soul of practice and essential to technique. The time to enjoy is when it is a complete achievement. Asking for very much inner peace in the practice room is a fool's errand, because the three-zone theory of learning is a lie when it comes to music. Technical practice isn't really _learning_ at all. Flow doesn't build technique! The so-called "green zone" is meaningless to the neuromuscular system. All it understands is what bores and/or frustrates the conscious mind, which can't control it.

I'm a voice student, soprano, and I remember how crushing it felt to hear my teacher say two and a half years into lessons that I wasn't ready to learn La Wally (Catalani) because I thought it seemed so do-able. I now look back on that moment with all I have learned a decade later with complete embarrassment, understanding how right she was and wondering what on earth I was thinking. Except...what I was thinking was from the very limited perspective I had at the time of my incredibly complex instrument. How could I possibly know back then all the layers of the onion that I would peel back...and I now know that the onion will never end; even were I to be a great diva (I won't be, the Met is safe) I would never stop learning and studying. I am very much enamored with the 19th Century pedagogues to whom I have been fortunate enough to be introduced...and I wish this young lady could read Jonathan Livingston Seagull because it's like that. The technique really is the art itself, the scaffold; the music is the shape it happens to take for any given composition. I wish people here wouldn't be too unkind to her. I too said terribly obnoxious and regretful things at her age, I just didn't have TED Talks and the Internet with which to stick my foot so thoroughly down my throat. Yes, she will regret this later on. But are any of us perfect? She didn't drive drunk or commit financial fraud, she shot off her mouth about playing violin with an excess of hubris. Can we keep this in perspective and not use this to bully and cancel her? The way some are commenting here really bothers me. Only in this day and age can one mistake of this kind literally ruin the rest of your life. Whatever happened to compassion and remembering that all of us have made the same mistake, but it just didn't make it to KZread? I sincerely hope the violin community doesn't wreck the future of a talented young person. And by the way? I am neurodivergent. That's a fancy way of saying I'm on the autism spectrum; no intellectual, motor or physical impairment but significant differences in sensory, social and other processing for starters. I only just found this out, and I'm past the half-century mark. Many women and girls aren't diagnosed because this is so poorly understood in our gender, and so many women go through hell for being 'socially unacceptable' when what they are is wired differently and trying to navigate a world in which the social rules and boundaries that seem so obvious to others...are not to those with neurodivergence. I cannot say what this young lady's status is or is not...but since discovering the depths of my own story and its unrealized impact on my life, I have suddenly put the brakes on judging the behavior of others that on the surface seems 'rude' or 'inappropriate'. None of us really knows what others are experiencing and it can be lifesaving to reserve harsh opinions.

@musikgirl7

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. ❤

@robynbirde

Жыл бұрын

Well said!!

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

If I could respond in a tl;dr - which I can't - I would just say: _It doesn't take all kinds to make a world. We just have all kinds. And in music, we mostly do not._ 1. Cancellation is a tradition in the arts, and it's very often done for the sake of the art. "So and so isn't a bad person or player, they just _don't have what it takes."_ That can mean anything, because it doesn't _have to_ mean anything. It only need be said. 2. Music on this level - and to some extent on _any_ level - doesn't care what the performer is experiencing. 3. The experience of _listening_ to music may be humanity-affirming. The experience of _making_ music is barely even humanistic. See #4 and #5 below. 4. The work ethic of music is miserable because the line between suffering for the craft and suffering for its own sake can't always be drawn. Musicians are wise not to draw that line inside themselves. 5. Bullying and harshness are often about standards. In music, they _themselves_ are a standard in a way. If you don't honor the bully in you - or worse, _if there is none_ - you're never going to keep to the dumb discipline that grinds in technique. 6. Hubris - and I don't mean anything _close_ to narcissistic "I am the greatest" behavior; it can just be a sense of perspective that puts the individual on a level too near the art - is especially galling to musicians, because it criticizes the sacrifice they have made. Sacrifices they've been taught are part of the work ethic of a musician. Not just time and life sacrifices, but matter over mind. That dumb bully discipline has to claim you - an autonomous, thinking/feeling, full human - daily. Look, I too am neurodivergent. I don't "get it." I needed 40 years to learn to sight-read music because the panic response was so engrained (and it's still there). My point is that if we are _unable to submit completely to music as it is_ - all its demands, be they technical, traditional, social, professional, fair, unfair, nurturant _or destructive(!)_ - there is a cost to doing so, and it accrues very fast. It doesn't take much before you no longer share a musician's work ethic, or other musicians' respect. And from there it's a small step to _not being a musician at all._ I know. I am not one. I still play, probably always will, but a musician I am not and never was.

@Alexis84DE

Жыл бұрын

Well reflected and articulate comment. Rare on the internet, rare in people generally ❤

@deborahraven-lindley3309

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 I've had to allow your reply to settle for a some days. Especially your comment that it is necessary to 'honor the bully in you.' In so many words, you have accepted the false paradigm that learning in the absence of traumatizing oneself or accepting trauma from others is a hopeless, purposeless endeavor. There aren't words for how much I reject this sadly ubiquitous mentality, nor how much I urge you to really consider (and reconsider) what you've said. It's stewing in a sea of depressive outlook. Not a musician? Never will be, never was? What are you even talking about? I want to grasp your shoulders and lightly shake you a bit! You're going to do this to yourself because you aren't ever going to be Rampal, Perlman, Gould? Because you aren't working to be a professional? Who said you have to? I am very much a musician, laboring in the quiet of my own office. My journey is my own. How I apply my talent and learning is my own. I don't need to listen to others' opinions on whether I am good enough because someone will always be better than me, and I will always be better than someone else...so why waste time in this idiotic comparison trap? If all musicians would have the grace to pull their heads out of this Diva Zone and just be people encouraging people imagine where the world might be. Newsflash: No person under stress can perform their best. Whether a singer or an instrumentalist, the body needs to be relaxed and focused to be best as a performer...it's beyond critical for a singer. If it doesn't mean enough to someone to work hard at a given thing...they won't. That's it, simple. There's a difference between standards, aspirations/goals, nudging someone who can do better, and what you describe. Too often the line is crossed. How to tell the difference? Easy. How is the learner left feeling? Not every person who is a master of their own craft is skilled at imparting knowledge or capable at all when it comes to the critical psychology of teaching and this is a massive flaw of many stripes of pedagogy. I didn't mean to turn this into a dissertation...I just want to say that you are valid, your music is valid, and no one has the right to crush your spirit and take your joy away. Music exists to bring us joy. If we can't experience this, why did we begin in the first place?

My accordion teacher told me, back before he died, practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. That has stuck with me since then. Practice the piece how it was intended on being played, not on how you yourself interpret it. I used to do competition and that is how I practiced to perfect the piece.

And then her teacher said, "But you made a lot of mistakes in form and articulation. You've shown that you're passionate about practice, now lets practice these things, and lets see how it changes your ability to play this piece."

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

There is no "let's." The first thing she needs to understand is that she is on her own.

Her pronunciation of “Wieniawski” at 3:43 is a red flag in itself.

@jddrew1000

Жыл бұрын

Right! It's pronounced "Vin-YOW-skee"

@christianlesniak

Жыл бұрын

@@jddrew1000 Wrong. "w" in Polish is always pronounced like "v" in English. The creator of this video doesn't get it right either.

@LaraDorren1

Жыл бұрын

@@jddrew1000 it’s more like v-e-n-a-v-ski (but with e softened at the beginning and n softened at the end). Actually author of the video also has awful pronunciation (sorry - it’s not meant in a derogatory way).

@Lemurektr

Жыл бұрын

She just said "Łiniałski" xD

@jawdn9744

Жыл бұрын

i didn’t even catch that, mainly bc i’m not a violinist or an instrumentalist of sorts, but weenie-ow-ski definitely sounds silly

Fascinating how *you* playing the Tranquilio part gave me *immediate chills* , whereas hers just sounded bored and lackluster and created absolute fuck all reaction in me. It is okay to feel frustrated when you feel you're being underestimated and not understanding the reason behind it, especially when young ( no idea how old she is bust seems very young still). However one should not do a venting TED talk on those immature emotions and try to prove to everyone that you're right. I'm really glad my worse moments are *not* immortalized on the internet for the world to see. This girl needs to mature a lot, I hope she does, because then she will actually be able to improve and achieve greatness instead of brattiness.

This channel is criminally underrated. Like other people said, the production quality is great.

@ViolinMechanic

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Means a ton!

she can play it, but not perform it

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

That's when happens when you try to free art from craft! The art of the violin depends entirely on the craft of playing it technically. And Cassiel is right - it's frustrating, uninspiring, and at times, discouraging and even miserable. It demands constant back-to-basics that won't show results in the piece you're preparing for weeks or months. Where she is wrong is that _that is no excuse._ You have to go through it all. What she was doing wasn't real work. It was intense, concentrated, yes even dedicated. But all that is not enough. The real work doesn't reward you, doesn't inspire you, doesn't give a good God damn about you.

@SilverStarFour

Жыл бұрын

What a lot of eager violinists like this one tend to forget is that yes a lot of this is in the mind, and a lot of obstacles can be easily overcome by stretching mental boundaries. But also physically the muscles have to be trained to work with the mind. THAT is what takes time and it doesn't happen with mere thinking and mental exercises. Body and mind must work in sync when playing violin.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@SilverStarFour The neuromuscular system is dumb. It can only learn from dumb repetition. Technical practice has to be on that level - dumb, repetitive, _intensity._ The mind must totally cooperate.

I’ve been playing guitar for 11 years and going back to the basics is what helps me tremendously. Learning to play with emotions. This girl's playing was just playing. If there was any emotion, it’s nothing but spite.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

The real basics have nothing to do with emotions. They have to do with dumb repetition on a neuromuscular level.

@tea-and-guitars

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 well those dumb repetitions sure help a lot

My dude really nailed the difference in quality in that tranquillo passage. Holy moly! Not even the same language!

how the hell did TEDx sanctioned her to be on any stage?

@mattlikespandas7019

Жыл бұрын

Tedx means it’s not affiliated with ted

@JustFiddler

Жыл бұрын

@@mattlikespandas7019 i see

subscribed! as a young cellist who's finally getting back to my previous level of repertoire after over a year of technique rebuild, it's comforting to know it's not in vain! what's crazy is that i just heard this piece live yesterday by a little child prodigy and the difference is *astounding*. hard work and humility truly make all the difference!

You have a lovely teacher smile trying to hide the "nope." Your eyebrows give you away.

When I saw this TEDtalk the first time, as a teacher (admittedly, not one of very advanced students), I listened to her play. I was expecting her to finish and say that her teacher said, "Yup. You were not ready for that." I thought the moral of the story was going to be humility. I compete Irish dancing, and once, one of my teammates who was very spoiled had a tantrum in class about how our coach/teacher always gave attention to the other dancers and not her. Our teacher said, "Yeah, that's because you stopped listening to me about 9 months ago." I suspect that was part of this teacher's response when she pulled this brat move.

If she continued her studies, she probably learned a bit about humility along the way.

She looks very young here. If you look her up, she's since graduated from NYU with a Masters in music composition. I'm going to assume she's grown and matured since then. These TEDx talks can actually be given by anyone with the money to do so. I have no doubt that she'll be well supported in whatever endeavor she chooses.

@The_ScapeGoat

Жыл бұрын

Composition is not performance

@HeyMySock

Жыл бұрын

@@The_ScapeGoat That is correct. Not sure what else to add to that.

@bacicinvatteneaca

Жыл бұрын

Wait,people PAY to speak? Not the other way around?

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@HeyMySock Nothing much. Being human is a series of copouts. Great achievers in anything know that. They put achievement over their own humanity.

Subscribed! I like how honest yet kind you were with reacting to her playing. Violin is a beautiful but tough instrument to learn.

@ViolinMechanic

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard:)

This wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be… but it’s a good cautionary tale to never go on stage and confidently say you know what’s best, even for yourself.

At least she is having fun and you can't predict how many people can actually spot the intonation. Same as dancing. I can't dance, but I still want to enjoy myself.

@coloraturaElise

Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with enjoying yourself and having fun, but that's not what she's doing here--she's not sitting on her bed playing around with her music, or playing for her mom or her friends--she's on a worldwide forum saying how wrong her teachers were She's saying you don't have to listen to a person with far more experience and knowledge, you just have to believe in yourself. So if you want to be a doctor, you don't have to go through the long, step-by-step process it takes to master medicine? Would you want that person for your doctor? Wouldn't you rather listen to someone playing that piece who did take the time to do it correctly AND had fun doing it? Her attitude is immature and disrespectful, and I hope some day she looks back at this and realizes that, because otherwise, she won't grow as a musician.

IMPO: The finest of musicans can play 1 passage for hours and hours and not get tired of it because they are getting deeper and deeper into perfection of tone, timing, relaxation and a humbling calming / giving of the spirit to music (whatever that means to you). She may mature into greatness but not without getting "herself" out of the way and allowing the music to be the focus; a journey that is never complete. Good video! 🙂

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

Now try it with an exercise that is designed for pure difficulty and has no feeling. The humbling is not calming, but harsh. You can't relax. There is no spirit to give, only brute discipline. In that moment, the mind is almost useless and the soul, the psyche, whatever, amount to just garbage. That is closer to the ethos of musicianship: demand that is never satisfied.

@raqueliaramlogan9939

8 ай бұрын

I’m hitting that point in my musicianship and I’m ashamed to say it took me this long but it’s a beautiful thing! 😇

she sounds very good for a student!

I’ve been a musician for almost 50 years. I winced at the pitchy parts, but that was a phenomenal amount of progress in just one week.

@RatPfink66

11 ай бұрын

But so what??? What good is any amount of progress when you don't submit to your teacher and their authority?

@MaxPower-js1sk

11 ай бұрын

@@RatPfink66 It was just an observation mate. Why are teachers or authorities important to guitar playing. That was a rhetorical question.

@xenophile84

11 ай бұрын

As someone pointed out above, this was a long time after the lesson in question. She'd had a lot more time to practice, likely months or even years. There's no way the piece sounded like this after one week.

@hannahschneyder6651

7 ай бұрын

She also mentioned that she'd played it before...

She is determined, she just needs to practice strictly and consciousnesly. Music is amazing but our job as musicians needs to keep feelings apart and focus in technic that's needed to make magic.

I hope she sees this, very kind and genuine criticism, and great advice about learning and teaching!

I’m a flute player, and I will be the first person to say that this girl’s boredom with basics is understandable. I sometimes get frustrated when I’m told to practice long tones too. However, we’re told to practice them because they are NECESSARY. Here’s a personal story: Every year, we get music to practice for an audition for All-Region band. These past two years, when I was learning the piece, I tended to try to go too fast. This wasn’t to spite anyone; I just get overwhelmed with the sheer skill of some of my fellow flutists sometimes, and tried to catch up to their level. At our weekly lessons, my teacher often tried to slow me down, get me to learn my music slower, more properly. I’ll admit I occasionally got frustrated with her because of it, but, at the end of the day, I was a better flute player because of her. Some passages didn’t improve, but the ones that did made the slow repetition worth it. I practice my scales every time I pull out my flute. Is it fun? No. Does it really help me improve? HELL YES. So many of my pieces include runs, and those runs are often just scales. Technique is found everywhere in music, and you can’t just forego practicing it, no matter how much you want to.

@jodimerusi3250

11 ай бұрын

I'm a fellow flutist and I agree with everything that you said. I got Covid over two years ago, it really wrecked my lungs. I've been practicing tones, I can't even say long tones because I'm still not at the lung capacity I had pre-Covid. But I work at it every time I practice and it has improved a great deal. I play other music too (I play in 2 Large community bands 80 to 90 musicians in each band.) All ages, college age to many in their 80's, all abilities although everyone sits according to where they feel the most comfortable and where their abilities lie. I'm 67, I play in the bands cause I enjoy it. Since my bout with Covid though, 2 hours of band practice really tires me out. I pace out my practicing in between and I keep hanging in! The young lady in the video would not have stuck to the basics for over two years to improve her mastery of the violin. I don't know it seems like young people today have the attitude -- I want it now and if I don't get it now I'm going to blame you! 😂 Maybe I'm just getting old! 😅

@aminawinterwater2915

11 ай бұрын

@@jodimerusi3250 I can assure you, as a young person myself, not all young musicians are like that! 😅 Although I definitely get frustrated with the basics sometimes, that’s my fault and my fault alone - it’s on me if I don’t listen to my lesson teacher’s advice. And those fellow flutists I mentioned? They’re absolutely amazing at what they do because they’ve built such a strong foundation with their basics, and I could only dream to be at their level one day. I really hope your lungs keep recovering! I’d be completely lost if I had to start from almost the beginning like that - it’s amazing that you have the will and persistence to do so!

This is an instrument you have to constantly re-learn. That's what people don't realize. There is far too much technique needed to isolate it all. Instead you need to engage - yes, engage fully, and concentrate - on mind-numbing repetition of exercises. Perfection is unattainable, but perfectionism is indispensable.

@PrometheanRising

Жыл бұрын

I remember this from teaching beginning partner dancing where inexperienced students wanted to learn fancy moves while the teachers were working on things like turning their foot out some miniscule greater or lesser amount.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@PrometheanRising it goes way beyond that. sure, every beginner wants to learn some catchy, flashy trick. that whim goes away. what's left behind is the idea that it's all going to be straightforward after that. HELL NO. you'll have to spend 90% of your time on the first 90%, 90% more on the last 10%, and 90% more on the last 1%. because technique doesn't give a damn about you. it has no use for beauty or inspiration. it only cares about dumb repetitive WORK. so you need to not care about anything else.

@PrometheanRising

Жыл бұрын

I tend to think of it as being recursive.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@PrometheanRising how so?

I believe the teacher she is referring to is Henry Gronnier. He's from France and he was awarded the Premier Prix in both piano and violin. In one of Cassiel's recent interviews Henry is one of the violin teachers she credits.

@oxoelfoxo

Жыл бұрын

Is she now a pro violinist?

This feels more like a therapy session than a ted talk...

Underrated channel,kudos to this guy!😢

@ViolinMechanic

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Means the world when I hear comments like these:)

I'm no expert on violin, but I have been playing 18 months, interestingly after that time, I've gone back to even more basic techniques ... i've been doing so much more open string practice just to try and really get the best tone I can get. My goals are not to play the most difficult repertoire I just want a good tone and intune

@wintersprite

Жыл бұрын

I’m an adult violin student and I like to practice Christmas music sometimes since there are many songs that are easy enough to play and knowing the melody already is helpful. I also use a music scanner app that my violin teacher told me about so I can listen to what I’m learning.

the production value of your videos is incredible

Mad respect to you violinists. You get out what you put into it.

I'm a flutist and when I got to college, I had to basically re-learn everything I knew as well (technique-wise hand placement, and breathing...). Then when I started teaching, it was like I was learning all over again because I'm on a different end & needed to be able to answer questions, and things to work on even more than what I had learned. You're always learning.

In just about everything, people find practicing the basic skills boring, and many believe those skills are limiting. In truth, mastering the basic skills is enabling. Mastery is the foundation upon which artistry is built.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

It is enabling only once the emotions have been put in their place. Feel them if you have no choice, but never cut yourself a break on their behalf. Matter over mind, always.

@jeffdutton1910

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 if by "put in their place" you mean "given their rightful place" then I agree. Emotions have an important role to play in the arts generally, and in music particularly, but any flights of fantasy should be supported by technical excellence. In literature, you can't write compelling prose without a very strong command of the language in which you write. I suspect that if we heard Perlman, Stern or Mutter play the music this young lady attempted, they'd have us breathless, and on the edge of our seats.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffdutton1910 Writing is different. As you strive to express yourself you begin to see progress. The task itself, though slow, is rewarding, as you sense SOME movement, even if it's only away from the inadequacies of what went before. Musical technique is centered in brute neuromuscular habits - understanding and perception are moot. You don't get to sense ANY movement at first, or for a long time afterward. You have to trust the process totally, with tradition and authority as your reasons. Any results will not be consciously felt until a long stretch of diligence has been established. I always say that if you have a dream in music, *kill it.* Whip the magic out of it. Turn it into WORK: goals, process, commitment. If it still has meaning, pursue it. And if you don't kill it...watch it die. So no. I don't think there's a "rightful" place for the perceptive musical mind in technical practice. It has to subordinate itself totally, to matter over mind, and remain awake and on guard with seemingly nothing to do. Exercises that aren't tedious and agonizing in that way aren't being done correctly.

@jeffdutton1910

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 in practice perhaps, but surely the ultimate goal is performance, and the technical practice of music is analogous to the endless tedium in writing of studying grammar, composition, and the acquisition of vocabulary; so I don't see writing as vastly different from music or any other art form...mastery of the tools always precedes and enables artful expression. In any art form technical excellence on its own is little more than "empty virtuosity".

@kassemir

Жыл бұрын

I'd argue that a good teacher would find a way to make practicing those basic skills, fun, musical, and rewarding. Without that your students won't find the motivation to keep on going.

Getting restless from only 5 months of technique!!? I get it, I think we have all been there. At the same time, we have to keep it in perspective. Technique is not a one and done deal. Its not even a, "I did that in university so I'm good" deal. Basic and advanced techniques are lifelong habits.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

We don't need to keep technique in perspective. We need to keep OURSELVES in perspective. The practice of technique is what demands everything in the moment and gives nothing back until much later. Those without the faith to incur that debt shouldn't kid themselves: they will never be good, let alone great.

@matsu820

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 You sound like on of those who like to put themselves and everyone else down and believe its going to get them to the results. At the same time, they revere prodigies and those who have succeeded in great amounts. I've heard enough of this. You don't need this to have humility. You are substituting one for the other.

@smithmusicstudies

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 isn't that a perspective on technique? I agree that technique is the long term investment in our playing. Very well said. I think it is ok to acknowledge that many players don't aspire to be great or excellent. That is ok too. We need both excellent and intermediate musicians. But if you are an intermediate musicians, you are more suited for intermediate level pieces. Doesn't mean you can't play advanced pieces, just don't pretend it is the same as when an excellent musician puts the work in to really perform an excellent piece.

@brianerickson6775

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 100% agree. Also, proper technique can avoid injury.

I enjoyed watching and listening to you playing your violin!

I wonder if she thinks playing the violin just means being able to playing the notes right? in that case, yes she can. and sure some people might like it. however, i think it would sound better with more emotion, style, and dynamic.

I had the same attitude toward working on scales, arpeggios and chords when I was studying classical piano as a child. That's why I'm a drummer/percussionist now. 🤣 BTW, in Polish W is pronounced like V, so Vieniavski. The letter Ł (which is confusingly transliterated as a plain L in English, despite the letter L also existing in Polish) is pronounced like W.

This is one reasons why we have etudes to help us with technique.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

They're not there to help. Only we can help ourselves. They're there to set standards and demand they be met.

‚Just because you are physically able to play something, doesn’t mean it’s good or has musicality.‘ I think that’s what my piano teacher once told me. And after I tried learning a modern piece, which was a bit of a higher difficulty than I could play, I realised why. There were some techniques in the piece which I hadn’t learned then (and now too, because I struggled with the teacher in my lessons at university, I got too self-conscious, I stopped playing, even though before I had that teacher I made good progress). There’s also a piece that I love and would love to sing, but I get why my singing teacher told me I wasn’t ready for it and she did tell me exactly why. There where many fast paced coloraturas, which have to be sung rhythmically exact, difficult jumps and also there was a high difficulty technique wise, because of the expressions used. I still tried to learn it on my own, but realised that she was right. Instead of trying to learn it then and there, just because I wanted to, I made it a goal to practice and learn new techniques, so that I wouldn’t hurt myself and would be able to sing it the right way, the way it was meant to be sung. I am not there yet, but I’m not giving up, even though my teacher recently moved countries and I struggle with practicing and progressing on my own.

@RatPfink66

11 ай бұрын

> ‚Just because you are physically able to play something, doesn’t mean it’s good or has musicality.‘ And just because it has musicality doesn't mean it's good! Just remember, practicing is not progressing. It's what _you have to do_ to progress. Expect incremental improvement and you're kidding yourself. You have to get to the point where you do what is expected _because_ it is expected. You must develop _introjection:_ the ability to absorb values from other people or from situations and make them your own.

This video reminds me of what my violin teacher says, "everyone can play a series of notes, but only a musician who practices their techniques can make it into music". And it shows. And talking about everything praising you, all non musicians and non artists think anyone who can play fast or draw is amazing. But as musicians and artist, just drawing and just playing fast won't be enough to impress.

Prodigies have the issue of not always understanding how to progress technically, they just do it. My teacher has perfect pitch, and struggles to understand how i can play out of tune, and not notice. When i was in my early stages of learning, i asked my teacher if i could learn Danse Macabre. She did the LoL, we’ll see what happens. I practiced and practiced and learned some of it. Some! She saw what happened when I committed to something ( doesn’t happen often), and I pushed my technique hard for three months before we put it aside. Here’s me now, some several years later, working on such things as Beethoven’s F-maj Romance, looking back at my foolish but brave self. 😊i could play the notes, but just like the girl here, had no musicality.

I don't think she wanted to prove her teacher wrong. I think the teacher failed in making her understand the need for technique and motivating her to practice these repetitive exercises. Why not give her a practice plan that contains BOTH repetitive exercises and fun pieces to play or make her practice the Wienieawsky piece in very small increments each day? So - why not meet her halfway, explain why every exercise is necessary but also help her to play some of the pieces she wants to or at least parts of them - not to prove HER wrong, but to give her the opportunity to try playing some of the piece and let her realize in her own time that she needs more practice? The worst thing for a student is to believe that the teacher is holding you back, working against you, not taking you seriously and then believing you have to learn on your own because you cannot trust your teacher.

@anlingitalia

Жыл бұрын

Precisely! Although the attitude she presented in the video was less than ideal.

@onlyrealtalentedartists

Жыл бұрын

which part of she was technically not ready to play this piece you did not understand? , she need probably pure technique for a year at least before trying to play some easier music Here, she do play the notes, but is often out of tune and the worse is the rhythm, she rushes a lot

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

She has an attitude problem that nothing positive will fix. Only more of what she can't stand: grind, grind and more grind. She has to learn to DO the things that bore and frustrate her WITHOUT needing to address those feelings. If that means not playing note one that's rewarding or inspiring, just drilling pure technique for a year, then that's what it means. If at the end of that year she still has the drive to have a playing life, well, great. If not, she should consider her once promising talent foreclosed upon and move on to another field. Even people of great ability routinely fail the psychic tests.

@PrometheanRising

Жыл бұрын

It is worth considering that we are only hearing her side of the story. Her teacher likely has a very different story to tell, but is also likely tactful enough not to do so in public.

I love that you demonstrate while you react. It helps us talentless civilians hear what you are talking about.

@ViolinMechanic

11 ай бұрын

Definitely! It just takes practice. I'm not perfect at it yet, but hopefully one day!

Great teachers make us better.. It's just that simple.

You are too kind, she definitly did not hit all the right notes, she was all over the place.

He was very generous in saying she „ was playing all the right notes“. She was and she wasn’t: her pitch was really awful in a lot of places. Moreover, her bow struck harshly scratchy and, as he pointed out, she lacked overall dynamics. She can play well, but she was not ready for this piece. It was everything but pleasant to the ears.

He was being so nice, she was EXTREMELY SLOPPY AND OUT OF TONALITY, and INTONATION. Literally has such a LONG way to go

As a 60 yo, playing for 54 years I *still* practise my scales everyday. Still. And I credit the hundreds of hours I must have spent on boring old technical work to the fact that I can still play… and I had a little chuckle remembering the buzz that comes when you are just starting out and working your way towards a piece that you want to play and then, in a few years, get there..and the joy that comes with that progression.

I had to listen to others play it, to realise it's a beautiful piece.

I have a theory; anyone, even non-musicians, can learn any song or part of a song to a certain extent. One of the first few pieces I leaned to play was the beginning section of Für Elise (Pianist btw). Out of context, that might make me sound like some sort of prodigy, which I most definitely am not. I’m sure I played the piece okay, but I almost certainly played it like a beginner. Because I was one. I had no depth in my understanding of the music, and the nuances of how the notes should be articulated. Learning, taking lessons, and practicing aren’t about getting better at playing hard songs, they are to expand your understanding of music, and honing your musicianship. It is with better understanding and musicianship that you should learn a hard piece well, and not just by grinding and grinding at it, hoping for the best (insert the Einstein insanity quote).

She can play the notes but not the piece. Her teacher is right and she is wrong. She is lucky to have a good teacher who knows music. If you want someone to just compliment you, go to your friends who know nothing about music.

I'll admit she played better than I expected, as a teacher I would say she's up to the job. But if you can't do something basic like keeping a steady tempo, conveying the different characters, bring more variety in dynamics to the front, then we have a problem and there's a clear lack of maturity (for this level of piece, I expected more from her, the way she carries on). I'll prob would've taken her and said, ok now we're going from the top, SLOW, and we're going to dissect this entire piece. I can hear she learned it way too fast. Some colleges would be very strict and she wouldn't have gotten even a distinction. When you're so passionate and have a chip on your shoulder, you better deliver and sadly she didn't.

@chiellazona5624

11 ай бұрын

It feels like she is rushing to be this amazing violinist forgetting about the fundamentals leading to ruining her progress. It's like learning to ride a bike when you are not yet good in walking.

@carinjansenvanvuuren8988

11 ай бұрын

@@chiellazona5624 completely agree

The average untrained ear wouldn't pick up all the nuances in her playing. Probably many in the audience wouldn't be critical of her playing pointing out the places she need to improve on like in a violin master class. Many people take lessons for years and not get to this level of playing. People who stick to easier pieces would progress at a much slower pace. She may not be ready to perform this piece at the moment but at least she learned the notes. Once in a while if you push yourself to play a piece you're not quite ready for, it's much easier to pick up pieces at the same level in the future than someone who sticks to the teacher's assigned pieces and stays within their comfort level.

@ViolinMechanic

Жыл бұрын

Fair point! The motivation should not be to prove your teacher wrong though... She also said that technique is boring, which is one of the most important elements to focus on to play pieces like this. Her teacher could have given her advanced preparatory exercises to work on bowing and left hand techniques in order to play this with more ease. But she definitely courageous to play this piece!

@carlossantana3049

Жыл бұрын

I wouldnt say her technique level was not at the pt for this piece yet. Simply it just was not ready for performance. But if she can play like this after a week that is already a big accomplishment. Like mentioned the whole pt. Of the video is that she mentioned technique is boring and was out to debate her teacher. Btw, this video is about 10 yrs old and i did a quick search about her. She went onto formal music conservatory and is now a professional.

@M_SC

Жыл бұрын

My teacher doesn’t assign me pieces that are comfortable haha

@carlossantana3049

Жыл бұрын

Ppl, look at the european music schools. At a lesson, a student would never DARE to play a piece if it is for violin and piano acapella like this. Hint #1: if youve never tried to put it together with piano, do not go out there thinking that you know it..... Also there is a documentary of heifetz where they showed him with his wife at home hearing to playbacks of himself playing this piece. He was very self critical and you would hear him say " erase this one" that note did not ring like in the other takes. And this was heifetz!!!! A real violin teacher that cares about the student and who sees potential will not tell them "oh this is great" oh this is good. They will make them continue to be critical of themselves. And would tell them what needa work. You can see this in the lesson clips of all the masters when they were in school. There is a clip on youtube of Bron tellling Repin a whole bunch of stuff after just playing a few bars of ysaye.....usually when a teacher says "good" they just want to not be rude or they really dont see themselves working with you on the long run so theyre not going to lose energy on going hard on you.

@lencivargas

Жыл бұрын

meh, the point of playing music isn't just to play the notes. It's a lot more than that. You made other valid points though 👏

From a violist - almost ALL her double stops were out of tune

@M_SC

Жыл бұрын

One week

@phillipaburgess293

Жыл бұрын

@@M_SC I believe she said she had played it before, so she was reviewing the work, not learning it.

@alhfgsp

Жыл бұрын

​@@M_SC Don't perform something you've had so little practice time with and act like you're golden. Bad attitude!

@wisdomseeker0142

Жыл бұрын

People need to reallly get a grip. Double stops or playing chords is so tricky getting those perfect 4th and 5ths to sing in accordance on any stringed instrument consistently is serious business…. 😮I’m surprised she played this piece this haphazardly considering her technique is beautiful in certain passages and could played a work that really shows off what she knows . She’s talented but prideful.

@heifetz14

Жыл бұрын

For double stops on viola,at least two people need to be involved. bom.boom

Sometimes my cello lessons have consisted of me playing one string for 45 min and my teacher listening intently for the slightest change in tone or sign of tension. And when it (inevitably) comes, she will go (in her lovely ukrainian accent) "Stop! What happened? There is tension. Where is tension? Shoulders? Neck? Are you playing with only hands, not body? What are toes doing? Are you doing monkey toes?" 😂 Thing is, without her help and focus, my tone would never have become as rich, fat, deep as it is now. I am so much more aware of myself playing, every note ("Make no orphan notes!" she says. "Every note needs food, a place, needs attention. Don't abandon it because it's a small sixteenth.". So I repeat until every note is cared for. It's not boring, it's love. I would never dream of disrespecting my teacher, her knowledge, experience and her gorgeous playing, by being sloppy and saying it's better that way. Plus, technique practice is only monotonous and boring if you do it mechanically, like checking off a list.

I play piano, but a lot of this resonates with me. I was called by my teachers a “prodigy” and in their excitement they threw me right into high level pieces. I was able to play them very well and won a few competitions against kids who had been playing their whole life, but because of this I knew hardly anything about the theory aspect of it. I was playing these hard pieces, but none of it would help me if I ever wanted to get a musical degree or teach or anything. So sometimes it’s necessary to go back to the basics and learn from scratch, even if you are able to play those harder musical pieces.

If I want to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she's portraying her teacher 100% accurately, it sounds like it may have been an unfortunate combination of a bad teacher, or at least the wrong teacher for her, and a student who's unwilling to learn. There's a difference between "you're not ready for this piece yet" and "you can't play this piece," and what teenager has ever reacted positively to being told they can't do something? Believing in yourself is important, and I'd argue that growth mindset is a necessary component. You need to be able to recognize "I can't do this yet, but I believe in myself enough to not be intimidated by the work it's going to take to get there"

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

You should only believe in yourself _after_ the work is done. Before that, you haven't earned it. If you can't put in the work _without_ self-belief, you're weak and spoiled, and you should just fall back and fade into the mass of humanity.

I'm no violinist, but a percussionist, even for me that got increasingly painful as it went on. Her arrogance is incredible and your observations are spot on.

I learned so much from this video as an amateur musician. I have made the same mistakes learning fiddle tunes - picking tunes way too hard for me. You might be able to play them in your living room, but in a jam or on stage you will not be able to pull it off without the technique, and practice practice practice. I really have to completely own a tune my body to play it. Ah, it’s pure joy when you do it!

great viola performance