This is definitely a list worth revisiting every 3-5 years

@jamalrobinson8321

Жыл бұрын

Yearly

@matthewdowling6549

Жыл бұрын

@@jamalrobinson8321 Yearly is too often

@khaitranngoc4176

Жыл бұрын

Now, this is spitting. Every 10 years there should be around 3 remakes of this.

@yokenii6417

Жыл бұрын

for real 3 years is perfect

@ThinkingDisorder

Жыл бұрын

3 is crazy every 4 minimum tho

Honestly, I didn't realize how high I was on Giannis until you showed me the stats in retrospect. Giannis having this much offensive and defensive pressure and efficiency in this era is insane to think about. Rightfully deserved!

@l9ikjam

Жыл бұрын

His defense is overrated

@user-lt1zz3zi4m

Жыл бұрын

@@l9ikjam ur one of those people who love to argue because you like disagreement😂😂😂. He is a great defender, because he is hard to shoot over and is a great help defender

@judyclarkson5887

Жыл бұрын

@@user-lt1zz3zi4m Lol.. He's not wrong. Top tier defensive player would've tried to guard Kd especially when he's the only star left on the opponent team. Giannis let Tucker to guard him even on the last possession that would've cost his team a series against an injury-depleted Nets team. Glad that the Lady Luck was upon him that night that Kd happened not to hit a 3 or else it would be a downright embarrassment for Giannis to lose that series.

@user-lt1zz3zi4m

Жыл бұрын

@@judyclarkson5887 everyone keeps saying that if Kd had kyrie and healthy harden he would beat giannis …. If you switched teams and gave Gianni’s a healthy harden and Kyrie he would’ve won as well. Also Giannis didn’t want to tire out offensively, that’s why he didn’t guard Kd. This worked obviously because he dropped 40 points in a game 7

@CeIles

Жыл бұрын

@@judyclarkson5887 you wanted Giannis to guard one of the most offensively talented player of all time while also running the entire offense at the same time? Brother, not even MJ did that

Jokic will definitely be added here in the next pyramid update.

@shyjr3215

8 ай бұрын

I would say he’s tier 4 for now after his championship run

@Anzarranza

6 ай бұрын

Giannis and jokic will be in tier 3 in the next one or two updates

@traytyler9951

4 ай бұрын

@@Anzarranzanot tier 3 yet tier 4

@filipgaier4908

2 ай бұрын

@@traytyler9951 definitely tier 3 at this point, if the next update is in 2 years from now, tier 3 isn't even a hot take

@FordKids

2 ай бұрын

That was a month a few months ago before all this happens not present day remember that

Might have to add Jokic to the list after this last playoff run and recent Championship 🏆 dude was unreal

@sonny4978

10 ай бұрын

i think jokic over kawhi. 2 mvps, and his playoff run was more impressive than toronto. Also he had no all stars like kawhi did with the spurs.

@BroOk-mh4do

9 ай бұрын

We'll see what else he can do in the next couple of years...But Jokic definitely deserves to be in the pyramid.

@-waqsa

8 ай бұрын

@@sonny4978that’s wild tbh. maybe after another ring and if he stays as consistent as he is, he prob will overtake kawhi, but for now he just doesn’t have as much longevity as kawhi.

@dr.kingmessanger1196

8 ай бұрын

Cut the jokes man. Joker getting catapult to the upper echelon of all time great is based off what. One year. The dude took 4 years to make a real impact in his career. He only became all star caliber for the last 5 years. Let wait for the next 3 to 5 years to unfold before we have this discussion. Not given the soft rules, handcuffing defense, analytics basketball era. Give great assistance to good offensive players today. He not only need to match Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem,Bird resume but blow them out the waters. Considerig the advantages he has

@AgentZeroO

8 ай бұрын

Jokic is top 20 already

The way he said "The gap between LeBron and Jordan is smaller than the gap between LeBron and everyone else." really puts it into perspective how great they both are.

@jbailey690

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡

@sween3716

Жыл бұрын

@@jbailey690 what’s funny about that?

@flightjam

Жыл бұрын

Kobe is in that convo with Jordan and LeBron

@jbailey690

Жыл бұрын

@Sween Majority of players say Kareem was better?? 🤷 AI, TMac, Timmy, Shaq, Hakeem, Vince, MJ, Bird, Magic, Steph, KD, Dirk, Barkley, KG, Ray, Wade etc all take Kobe over Bron?? What ISN'T funny about that nonsense??

@trainpushingtutorials2822

Жыл бұрын

@@flightjam jordan and mj 😭

Luka and Jokic definitely making this list next time it's looked at. How can they not

@brandonbrisson4455

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@KurinKato1

Жыл бұрын

Accolades

@biigasian

Жыл бұрын

Just give Luka time, he has a decade to perform

@chev5451

Жыл бұрын

@@KurinKato1 2021 mvp, 2022mvp? what are these if not accolades

@GoofyGeee

Жыл бұрын

I feel like all time russ is better than Jokic all time

I'd love to see a G.O.A.T Pyramid for those who never won a chip. Would make for some interesting debates. I think peak McGrady is highly underrated from that perspective.

@Zach-eb6zk

6 ай бұрын

For me based on eye test and pure skill, prime D Rose was the greatest player to not win a chip.

@ezxdray-jq3mh

6 ай бұрын

John Stockton

@orod4788

6 ай бұрын

Steve Nash babyyyy let’s goooo

@matheusfroehlich5727

6 ай бұрын

​@@Zach-eb6zknah harden, malone, iverson, hell even barkley had an better peak than drose (not to mention that a 4 year prime is pathetically sort)

@morrisparrish76

5 ай бұрын

Teams win “a chip”; not a player! You might want to keep that in mind!

Watching this during the Finals where Jokic has 10 triple doubles in the playoffs and just went 32 21 and 10 💪

luka definitely going to be on this in a few years. dude is a monster

@swake0312

Жыл бұрын

nah he will have a james harden esque career if he doesnt fix that ego

@ajako19

Жыл бұрын

@@swake0312 lol wtf? yall just hating lol. luka is going to be an all time great.

@solsburyhill

Жыл бұрын

@@swake0312 if you saw how bad his team is… you would know that he’s too generous to them

@izzy031096

Жыл бұрын

@@ajako19 Lol everybody has just seen that stupid Harden comparison and goes around parroting it. Don’t worry about people speaking this nonsense, Luka is a bonafide superstar and will win multiple rings.

@cjtrules1

Жыл бұрын

@@izzy031096 Mavs better get their shit together then or Luka will leave to a better team. Top 30 is already crowded as we can all see. Only 9 guys up there won 1 ring or none at all so Luka will definitely need at least 2 to even be considered.

i love seeing dirk being moved up. definitely an extremely underated player

@kofiowusu1273

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he’s underrated but wade is definitely better

@Snipezelite02

Жыл бұрын

I feel like Wade is definitely better but he does value peak alot

@andreasdietzel5560

Жыл бұрын

Especially when you factor in his loyalty and not chasing superteams like almost everybody else.

@xdadaxx1040

Жыл бұрын

Dirk is a top 3 PF of all time

@CollinMann04

Жыл бұрын

@@kofiowusu1273 nah lmao he’s not

I respect this pyramid. The only player I have issues with being too low is Tim Duncan.

@williammyers2190

11 ай бұрын

Completely agree. Seriously putting him in tier 3 is crazy. Tier 2 is more correct

@dro2drippy781

11 ай бұрын

I swear his career accolades and accomplishments are nearly identical to Kobe

@samcremin1486

11 ай бұрын

Eh, I feel like Hakeem and Shaq are better tbh and when you actually look at it him and KG did similar stuff at similar levels on the court for a long time so having them 2 tiers apart is just criminal.

@dro2drippy781

11 ай бұрын

@@samcremin1486 Timmy has 5 rings 😂 Hakeem only won cause Jordan retired for 2 years if we’re being honest . Shaq never won shit without another superstar on his team

@samcremin1486

11 ай бұрын

@@dro2drippy781Hakeem had worse teammates and Duncan never won in a year he had to deal with a dynasty either, in the 94 and 95 seasons he didn’t have a teammate selected for the all star game. If we actually break down their games Hakeem is a comparable if not better rim protector, much better perimeter defender, is a better post scorer and a similar passer. Duncan’s only advantage is his pretty significantly better longevity so if you value that highly then he has a decent argument but he’s not a full tier above Hakeem. Shaq was the better player during the three peat and he undoubtedly peaked higher, in my eyes it just didn’t work out for him in other years but he was probably the best in the world for most of his career.

Mad respect for kawhi being in it. If u look at numbers he has no case. But if u watched kawhi play u would know he was the only guy in the Lebron era that genuinely felt comparable in terms of changing an entire teams hope

You make some of the most well written, researched, and edited content on KZread. Consistently Top-Tier content, I look forward to every video you drop

@ghoull_

Жыл бұрын

nah fr

@HelloHowsItGoin09

Жыл бұрын

Never lacks its crazy

@paulh.9937

Жыл бұрын

@@HelloHowsItGoin09 the man's editing is some of the best I've ever seen on a basketball channel. Jimmy is the 🐐

@IamRonaldBell

Жыл бұрын

Nah frfr, you can always tell by the opening lines it’s gone be a great video off the dribble

@PIP...33

Жыл бұрын

@@paulh.9937 NAAAH HE BIASED AND JUST REPEATING WHAT MEDIA TOLD HIM. HE DOESNT KNOW SPORT. ANYONE WHO NOT PUT WILT NUMBER 1 AND OLAJUWON NUMBER 2 IS BLIND.

Giannis is all time great. No one can take that finals performance away from him. The best of the best.

@mikeoath9541

Жыл бұрын

In a couple years he will be best PF of all time, but so far Tim Duncan is the GOAT of the PFs imo.

@PIP...33

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeoath9541 LUIS SCOLA >>> DUNCAN. FACTS ARE FACTS. U CANT SPEAK HERE TILL DUNCAN WIN AGAINST SCOLA

@yuhhh2593

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeoath9541 for sure timmy d is the goat rn

@MichaelM-yf5or

Жыл бұрын

hell end up tier 2 at least when its all said and done

@yuhhh2593

Жыл бұрын

@@MichaelM-yf5or maybe. I’d say more likely he’ll end up top 10

Tier 1 - The GOAT: Michael Jordan Tier 2 - Leaders of the Record Books: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, LeBron James, Wilt Chamberlain, and Bill Russell Tier 3 - Best of their Era: Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, and Stephen Curry Tier 4 - Decade Defining Players: Hakeem Olajuwon, Oscar Robertson, Kevin Durant, Julius Erving, Nikola Jokic, Moses Malone, Kevin Garnett, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Dirk Nowitzki Tier 5 - All Time Greats: Jerry West, Isiah Thomas, Dwayne Wade, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Elgin Baylor, Charles Barkley, John Havlicek, Kawhi Leonard, and Scottie Pippen

Man Tim Duncan…underrated by the masses. Has a near identical resume to Kobe yet constantly ranks multiple spots lower. There aren’t 9 players “GREATER” than him all time.

@jan279

11 ай бұрын

So true, and I think that's because he wasn't as marketable as the other dudes. Spurs were the most consistent winning team in the league throughout Duncan's career.

@KFire

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, he should definitely be in tier 2

@spurslegacy

11 ай бұрын

@@jan279 yup exactly. Flash and self promotion influence people’s opinions on the production for some reason.

@spurslegacy

11 ай бұрын

@@KFire facts

@samcremin1486

11 ай бұрын

KG even more underrated, comparable to Duncan in nearly every aspect but he had terrible teammates and bad injury luck so he doesn’t even make top 10 on most lists and top 20 on some.

I swear you're one of very few people that can make a tier list without being attacked on where you put them.

@yeatdagoat173

Жыл бұрын

Cuz he's very rational

@bigsleepy9889

Жыл бұрын

Naw bro. This list was garbage as soon as I didn't see the real G.O.A.T on it.... Austin Reaves

@csanadhorvath

Жыл бұрын

Durant on tier 3 is insane, he won rings with the greatest team ever, that won without him. Durant is on a tier with Malone and Stockton, very good player, defo top 30 of all time, but won no legit rings as far as legit rings go unfortunately.

@evergreatest1170

Жыл бұрын

Idk man I wouldn’t put kawhi in the pyramid at all and like the guy said above KD is way too high as well

@csanadhorvath

Жыл бұрын

Also Duncan not being on tier 2 is basketball blasphemy...

So glad to see Jxmmy give Dr. J his flowers. He gets overlooked a lot because he played in the 70’s and early 80’s.

@Tethloach1

Жыл бұрын

someone will always get overlooked.

@SalKhayer

Жыл бұрын

Also, ABA records are not valued enough in the majority of these lists. Jxmy does a great job getting it put in perspective

Great list. I could quibble with a few placements here and there, but no major complaints. Jokic is 100% going on the list in your next update, that guy is special.

Duncan not in tier two is wild lmao

@Jiturra01

11 ай бұрын

Honestly its more like Kobe shouldn't be over Duncan, whatever tier. It's so odd, and the first thing I notice. People seem to be waking up to this recently..... not getting taken well by the LAL Fans and the casuals understandably.

@qiaoji1675

9 ай бұрын

him and b russ should be switched

@froyocrew

3 ай бұрын

Kobe is the single most overrated player of all time

@jacoblee5796

4 күн бұрын

@@froyocrew Kobe is an all time great player, there is no doubt about that. But that said, Kobe is insanely overrated, he is easily the most overrated player of all time.

At first I was confused when DWade was demoted, trying desperately to remember any shooting guards better, as I always had Jordan 1, Kobe 2, and Wade 3, then I saw that there were only three shooting guards on the list and it all made sense.

@randomperson2540

Жыл бұрын

Still though wade shouldn't be demoted, other than longevity which he just said he appreciated peek more, there no reason to have dirk Over wade. If the majority of people really believe dirk is better than wade, dirk is officially overrated

@xenonite2172

Жыл бұрын

@@randomperson2540 I mean dirk lead his team to better post season success than wade did as a first option. Remember wade never came out of the first round after the 2006 finals. Add on to the fact that the 2000's western conf. Is probably the hardest conf. In nba history and that's why you'd pick dirk over wade

@nbassasin8092

Жыл бұрын

Theres AI as well so 4, but the rest I absolutely agree with

@Snipezelite02

Жыл бұрын

@@nbassasin8092 AI didn't make it he was just a mention

@randomperson2540

Жыл бұрын

@@xenonite2172 but dirk had a way better team than wade, after 06 Shaq would suffer an injury and after that would leave. There was nobody on that roster other than wade he honestly had one the worse rosters in the league. People don't talk about how dirk won 67 games and got swept jn the first round and played horrible and would never make a western finals until 2011. Dirk was saved by his 2011, which even in that finals wade out performed him

can’t wait to see luka cracking this list from the ground up

@javigar133

Жыл бұрын

Well, he has a lot of road to travel lol

@kylemathis1562

Жыл бұрын

At the end of this season Doncic: 4x NBA All Star 4x NBA First Team Now he just needs MVPs, FMVPs, Defensive Team appearances

@equilibrium_69

Жыл бұрын

Only misfortune can detract Luka from his path to basketball greatness. The man is a potential top 10 player all time.

@AnkitSharma-qm7sg

Жыл бұрын

@@kylemathis1562 chips

@YaThat.

Жыл бұрын

@@kylemathis1562 atleast 6 all nba and all star selections, atleast 1 chip, then we can consider it.

Duncan is tier 2 , him and Kobe had similar careers and he’s on 3 while Kobe stays in 2 . They definitely both left their mark . Duncan deserves a little more love . Magic could be a little lower too imo

@ben.tanner

11 ай бұрын

Agree. Kobe definitely overrated compared to Duncan and others. Kobe benefited more from great teammates (Shaq in particular) than a lot of the guys in the pyramid.

@MarkHalberstram

10 ай бұрын

Swap Kobe and Timmy

@MotoM1234

7 ай бұрын

Agree that Kobe is overrated but then when you hear the respect that other NBA players have for him even before he died makes me think I’m wrong…. Would have Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan over Kobe….

Ain't no way Durant in the same tier as Shaq and Timmy 😂

@jaycob1830

5 күн бұрын

It should be Dr J in that tier, not Durant

Glad you showed Moses some love. That tier 5 placement was really sticking out

@Major.321

Жыл бұрын

Freal he’s top 10 on score board

@kleatise52

Жыл бұрын

Most underrated in history.

@javigar133

Жыл бұрын

Torallt agree

@buzz2k535

Жыл бұрын

One of the best rebounder and he got small hands i think his hand size are just as big as a 5'9 man and he's 6'10. Truly one of the greatest bigman!

@StFigarlandGarling

Жыл бұрын

#10 all time in scoring #5 all time in rebounding 3 MVPs Finals MVP How was he only in tier 5 until now.

Dirk is so underrated, thanks for showing him love.

@Khalidsworjd

Жыл бұрын

He played zero defense 🤫

@Tasos11_

Жыл бұрын

🤦 pov you're German

@jimmylolo8108

Жыл бұрын

@@Khalidsworjd Shhhh...The adults are talking.

@Khalidsworjd

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmylolo8108 🐱🤫

@Khalidsworjd

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmylolo8108 ik so 🤫🐱

Thats to show you how great MJ is,bro played against 9players who are in the GOAT conversation from the same era and dominated all of them and the 90's. MJ is definitely the GOAT on court💯

Undervaluing 5 time NBA champ, and best power forward of all time, Tim Duncan

I can’t wait until luka is on here. Still a few years out but he has had one of those meteoric starts to a career

@noahpagel2823

Жыл бұрын

@Nathan J Haug this vid was made before Luka’s performance against NYK. I bet he’d at least be in consideration now after that game alone. After all he’s done already, being the only 60-20-10 player in history, and everything he still has to offer, I could see Luka making this list in 3 years.

@philwilson609

Жыл бұрын

Contemporary players are vastly superior than those from the past due to three factors: Internationalism, skill advancement and tactical sophistication. My pyramid would have Steph on tier one - he is the greatest player on the greatest dynasty of the most competitive era. On tier two you have LeBron, KD and Kawhi. Luka is on tier three and rising. One can build an epic collection of NBA greats among active players only.

@guabagotjuice

Жыл бұрын

@@philwilson609 kawhi over bill russell wilt kareem nd shaq is INSANE 😭

@jackstone2176

Жыл бұрын

Luka fanboys are straight up delusional. He's been in the league 5 seasons . no way is he better than any of these players.

@chilldoc9638

Жыл бұрын

@English k

Great content as always, Jimmy. Seeing Iverson removed from the pyramid hurt inside. Too many greats in the top 50 now, basketball is aging in a great way. RIP Mamba.

@gangstagummybear3432

Жыл бұрын

You have no need to take this guy's list seriously, it is irrelevant.

@c.s.4505

Жыл бұрын

@@gangstagummybear3432 You must be fun at parties

You re in the running for GOAT 🐐 of NBA statistics!!!! Love your work man!! You re amazing!

lord knows if westbrook won a couple rings he’d be on here. the triple double king needs some love

Do a pyramid for each position! This was such a cool breakdown!

@javigar133

Жыл бұрын

That would be an interest rework, also by decades

@theofficialfskay

Жыл бұрын

10:41

@Mrsewercat

Жыл бұрын

@@theofficialfskay you must feel so smart he meant each position of all time...

@samheard7849

Жыл бұрын

That SF pyramid is gonna go crazy

@KDemosh

Жыл бұрын

@TheOfficialFSKay yes! That but a whole 30 player pyramid of all PG SG PF C and so on! I love this stuff!

I think Steph will be a high tier 2 when it's all said and done. Decent tier ngl

@ninjasaki_7231

Жыл бұрын

Tbh I rank him over bird and in the video Jimmy made, he had Steph over bird in the top 10 list so his placement is a bit odd

@threeteeflee

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a Steph/Warriors fan but I agree.

@ariaarulasan

Жыл бұрын

TIER 1, BETTER THAN THE PSYCHOPATH

@judyclarkson5887

Жыл бұрын

He'll be top 5 all-time when it's all said n done I believe. But let's just wait n see I guess

@jacobduncan9593

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjasaki_7231 He was either making a point to say that Steph is a top 10 player all time or he was just exaggerating.

Dominique Wilkins should have gotten an honorable mention. The man had some of the greatest duels with Jordan and Bird (Tier 1 and 2)

As others mentioned, i think this should be revisited every so often. I think every 3-4 years is a good choice. -I mean just look at how Giannis, and Jokic broke out to become two Great players. Kawhi had a legacy defining run a year after he made this list. Not much besides a potential break out star really happens each year. -but in 3-4 years maybe a new dynasty was formed after one fell, a new dominant player has come out and started putting up amazing numbers. So yeah I think every 3-4 years is perfect. 10 years is way too long. A whole dynasty will have come up and fallen in that time, maybe even 2 dynasties.

There is always one or two content creators in every category on KZread that release infrequent but high quality videos and you are definitely one of those. I wish more creators would take after you and I think you should take a lot of pride in the videos you do, and I hope you inspire more creators to be like you in the future.

@blacklite911

Жыл бұрын

I love those types. Unfortunately the algorithm encourages quantity more but when you grow the fan base, you shoot to the top when you release

@Crying2Death

Жыл бұрын

Thinking basketball is amazing too! They’re the top 2 imo

@pinobluevogel6458

Жыл бұрын

@@Crying2Death Most definitely one of the best out there. His insights are very complete and nuanced and the podcast is legit great too.

@redteddy135

Жыл бұрын

oversimplified tho... disappears for 6 to 12 months and then releases a chart topping video

Giannis has potential to break in to that Tier 1 and i no doubt expect to see Doncic in the pyramid next time

@ogi618

Жыл бұрын

i mean maybe jordans first championship along with his 2nd mvp and fmvp was at 28 giannis has done the same+dpoy abd the bucks r a contender

@futurehofer1564

Жыл бұрын

you mean Zion

@bullykojima3232

Жыл бұрын

@@futurehofer1564 if he stays healthy . But its hard to consider zion>giannis due to their defense .

@soysauce4223

Жыл бұрын

@@futurehofer1564 Zion hasn't proven anything yet. lol

@syfj.

Жыл бұрын

@@futurehofer1564 zion kinda mid rn

Isaiah Thomas is so underrated. He was crushed between Magic and Bird's Era and Michael's Era and still beat all of them. Fast and ruthless, he changed the game and shaped the 90's.

@lumpy9964

10 ай бұрын

THANK YOU!! Finally someone says it. Isaiah definitely deserves more love AMEN.

@homerl7

4 ай бұрын

But was he a better player than those guys? Not in my book. One of the all time greats, top 50 for sure.

John havlicek is really underrated these days he was a beast a perpetual steam roller..never tired with mad skills

I have a good feeling when we revisit this next time, Giannis will be in tier 2-3 and Doncic will be in tier 4-5

@tine0508

Жыл бұрын

nah Giannis is just a bit high now. tier 3 3 max. even if he wins another championship. thats my opinion and i get where u are coming from

@adriannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Жыл бұрын

@@tine0508 your opinion is ass

@tyyy4681

Жыл бұрын

@@tine0508 how? A 2x mvp, DPOY, one of the greatest finals performances ever to win a chip in a team that never had a chance without him. And by the way, he didn’t run away to a super team.

@its_maui_bro0457

Жыл бұрын

@@tyyy4681 curry and durant only had a super team if u talking bout bron ur out of it my bro

@connor3885

Жыл бұрын

@@tine0508 Giannis could win mvp and dpoy every year. And bucks are looking like top 3 team in the league. 5 years from now he’s gonna have more rings and mvps and dpoy

Solid justification to the changes, Jimmy. The only thing that hurts is seeing AI taken off the pyramid, but it's purely subjective. I don't disagree, the man's just got so much heart! Also, I agree that Luka and Jokic will rightfully earn their spots in no time.

@t3sh3r35

Жыл бұрын

yeah he shouldve kept ai and left kawhi out imo

@T_Law92

Жыл бұрын

@@t3sh3r35 I thought the same thing based on personal preference. However, statistically speaking I'm not as much of a guru as Jimmy to know if it's truly a reasonable tradeoff.

@all-caps3927

Жыл бұрын

Ye I was shocked to see Allen leave the list, it doesn't seem right to say he isnt top 30 of all time. I think a certain spurs player should be dropped 👀

@dicap9946

Жыл бұрын

@@t3sh3r35 Kawhi is one of the most clutch players of all time! There’s a reason why he’s a 2 time champion. He plays both ends of the floor and teams cannot stop him most of the time. He has one of the highest win rates come playoffs

@OludayoKolawole

Жыл бұрын

There’s no way AI is above Kawhi on an all-time list

Kd getting the respect he deserve from a nba goat analyst. Love Jimmy ❤️🐐💯

I just found your channel today and I’m hooked!!! Your videos are goat status.

I feel like doncic is going to crack this list soon. What he is doing in the regular season and playoffs is out of this world at such a young age

@mikeoath9541

Жыл бұрын

Aside from All NBA 1st team selections he just doesn't have the accolades yet unfortunately. He will probably retire as tier 1 though. Potentially, we never know for sure.

@DeeReeseBeats

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeoath9541 Yeah he's only in his 5th season I can see him getting at least 1 ring 3 or 4 at most imo

@BIuezy

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeoath9541 Tier one is a wild statement, more like 2-3

@ryuzaki4146

Жыл бұрын

he needs to accomplish more but he definitely has the potential to

@jadentesai

Жыл бұрын

Hes gonna need at least 2 mvps and a championship if he wants to be on here

I’d put Tim duncan on tier 2. Not the flashiest career but I think he’s one of the most valuable players of all time. Manu and tony aren’t hall of famers without him. A career that I wish I could’ve enjoyed more.

@neandertalero

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. IMHO, Duncan was most dominant than Kobe. IMHO only surpassed in terms of dominance by Russell, MJ and maybe Magic

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

@@neandertalero And LBJ but yeah only 4 dudes I’d say have achieved more than Duncan

@herrerasauro7429

Жыл бұрын

@@neandertalero Yeah, I agree. Out of all these players, maybe only Russell was as good as a leader of men as Tim Duncan while also having dominance unlocked from the first minute he stepped on the league up until the end, only a few other players achieved that, probably only Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Doctor J, MJ, Lebron, Magic and Robertson.

@marci-anna7101

Жыл бұрын

That's my one problem with the list, I'd switch Kobe and Tim or have em both tier 3, and not sure if I would have Jokic or Kawhi I gotta sit on that one.

@marci-anna7101

Жыл бұрын

@@neandertalero If we talking dominance, then Shaq, Wilt and Lebron, but in terms of accolades it's Lebron, MJ, Kareem, Bill and like you said maybe Magic. I'd also put Wilt here if he had 3 rings instead of 2, but that is not that case.

Your abilities to craft these videos are astounding! I applaud your attention to editing and narration. You're worth more than 2.39 subs and should be considered tier 1 youtuber.

the greatest of all time is whoever is the most valuable in my opinion some people don't have as much talent or good stats but can influence games in a direction where their team wins

The fact that Giannis accomplished what he did in such a short time is absolutely insane

@hamidrezaei3862

Жыл бұрын

and he just keeps getting better every year, it's crazy...

@markbeebe125

Жыл бұрын

One title and 2 MVPs by age 30. Hmmmm. Why don't we check in with Kareem, magic, larry, Jordan, Tim duncan, Moses Malone, I can keep going all day if you'd like. I think there might be a little bit of a recency bias here on this. I am not at all denying the greatness of giannis. I think he is absolutely phenomenal. However I think we're over hyping him a tiny bit and forgetting our NBA history. I think by the time all is said and done, there's a good chance that he'll be in the top 10 of all time. But as it stands right now, one title and two MVPs, defensive player of the year, by age 28 or 29, isn't enough to make him stand out from the rest of that crowd. But at the same time it puts him in some absolutely incredible company. But I don't think we should be gobsmacked at what he's accomplished when tons of other players have done it before him.

@xeonbladev18

Жыл бұрын

@@markbeebe125 he just turned 28 and you checked on age 30😂😂. Just proves how crazy he is. At 27 no one accomplished more than him in the league ever other than maybe magic or Tim, Kareem. Name me players by age 27 that won a ring, fmvp, 2mvps and a DPOY which you seemed to disregard. Keep hating tho casual.

@markbeebe125

Жыл бұрын

@@xeonbladev18 reading is fundamental buddy, maybe you should learn how to do it. And this writing thing, not exactly a strong suit of yours either. Your first sentence doesn't even make any sense, literally no sense at all. I know we live in the age where children like you have forgotten how to answer telephones and be polite and use grammar and functional life skills like that, you should try it sometime, it will make everything a lot better and a lot easier. You missed some pretty simple things, that were right there in front of you so you obviously just skipped over them or haven't learned how to read yet: "by age 28 or 29"....."before age 30". These are THINGS THAT ARE TRUE, Alex, for $400. You asked me to name people, even though I already had. And will again, check in with Bill russell, check in with Tim duncan, check in with kareem, check in with magic, check in with Larry, and yes the dpoy wasn't even a thing when some of these guys were doing it and certainly Larry Bird wasn't the best defensive player in the league, but having won MULTIPLE championships, MVPs, rookie of the Year, finals MVP etc, by the same age is pretty damn close, just because he's got one other award doesn't mean that he's suddenly lapped the field. You have the balls to call me a casual when you can't remember that guys in your own generation, have done this much less the old guys. Go look up Oscar Robertson. So yeah he doesn't have the finals MVP or the championship because he was on a horrific Cincinnati team, but he was averaging a triple double, destroying record books, winning MVPs etc. You won't find an NBA historian that thinks that Oscar isn't on at least the same plane if not above giannis. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, and I'm definitely sorry you took your mouth off his nuts long enough to come down from the high horse that you have no discernible reason to reside on. Just because I pointed out things that are factually true, doesn't mean that you should ignore all reading and reading comprehension and miss the point where I acknowledge his greatness. I'm not bad-mouthing him at all, I'm just pointing out that the original post use a ton of hyperbole went over hyping the guy. He's great!! but it doesn't mean that his greatness makes him suddenly so much greater than other league greats.

@xeonbladev18

Жыл бұрын

@@markbeebe125 you got proven wrong and now wanna resort to insults😂😂. Couldn't find a single player as accomplished as Giannis at 27 like I said💀💀. Sign off casual

As a long time bucks fan it makes me so proud to see Giannis up there with the greats

@gabrieldodds9081

Жыл бұрын

i'd put him in tier 3

@nanashi7779

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrieldodds9081 As someone who loves Giannis, not yet. But mark my words, he'll get there by the end of his career, tier 3 at least.

@javigar133

Жыл бұрын

And well deserved! He is knockong on the Next tier as we speak

Jokic if you revisit the pyramid as of now since he won his first ring and unanimously won finals MVP, I can see him in tier 4. In my opinion for the greatest center of all time, I feel like he's above both David Robinson and Moses Malone or maybe Hakeem. If that's case if Jokic is greater than Hakeem, then Jokic is in tier 3. It's my take but obviously we should wait as he goes later in his career

This pyramid just feels right. It passes the eye test. If we take this pyramid as fact there is just something that seems so on point with it.

I just love how MJ gets the goat spot without the need for any extra information that other players seem to require to justify their positions on the pyramid.

@dmjdebruin

Жыл бұрын

LeBron get this T1 spot without any extra information other then he is talked about most on social media by fanboys after proclaiming himself the goat. But if you want an extensive comparison between the two explaining also why jordan is the goat look at below video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqBnz7RvldKrkZs.html

@Vlad_32

Жыл бұрын

I think that is a problem tbh 🤨

@Tonm077

Жыл бұрын

Information already presented in the original list and num has changed to touch him so

@pigs6486

Жыл бұрын

@@Vlad_32 then your brain doesn't work

@fbistatmajor5918

Жыл бұрын

@@pigs6486 Kareem is better than MJ he just didn't bring flair to the game and market it as well which is why he's overlooked so much

Dude this video is straight up fire. Jimmy's story telling voice is just built different plus the way he thinks through this stuff makes these videos so interesting to watch. Keep doing what your doing man.

this list is beautiful

It's hard to argue with the list when Jxmy presented the stats and information too well.

I agree, good changes! Wonderful list! Will be fun in a few years with Jokic, Giannis and Luka! Jokic and Luka will surely make the list and not as tier 5 😶

@RY-gy1md

Жыл бұрын

Lukas gonna be on tier 1

@LeonEdwardsGoat

Жыл бұрын

@@RY-gy1md bro dallas isnt winning a chip

@toshirohitsugaya857

Жыл бұрын

@@LeonEdwardsGoat Who says in 5 years he will be in Dallas?

@maliprince8703

Жыл бұрын

@@RY-gy1md relax fam

@allaboutthemurzic

Жыл бұрын

The list is a joke wilt is in tier 3

Kidd, Yao Ming and Doncic have a special place in my heart but I like your ranking. Great job!

As great as Giannis is, the magnitude of just how good he sometimes is lost because 1. he doesnt have multiple rings and 2. Talent parity among teams is the greatest ive seen in all my life. But when you bring up those accomplishments, it's impossible to forget anymore.

Ain't no way Ive been watching this man for 3 years, WHERE TF DID THE TIME GO 🤧🤯

@dozhadeville444

Жыл бұрын

We wasted it watchin videos

I once was terrible at basketball and basically has known nothing of the game except the goat is MJ and a few players names. About 3 years ago I started watching Jimmy and I know have so much knowledge of the game and have fallen in love with it. I have also become quite good at playing basketball and have even made my school basketball team! Thank you Jimmy so so much for helping me fall into a game I had no idea about! You're one of my favorite youtubers so keep up the Outstanding Work!!!!

@doryembrandingmarketingven3923

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Exactly the same trajectory.

@thedargon6899

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Except I thought Lebron was the goat… And he is 👑 but mj is a good answer too yeah

@TheBabyTort

Жыл бұрын

@@thedargon6899 I thought so too but man imagine if MJ played as many seasons as Bron bro would have the most cracked numbers even better more chips etc. if he was in the modern nba he would get way more DPOY because permittee defense is a lot more valuable in this age of basketball. Even without those years he still has a better resume. I wish it was bron but it never will be 💀

@dreamchaser1419

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBabyTortI question a lot of you guys basketball knowledge lol. Like obviously dude. That's like saying "if you stand in cold weather too long, you'll get cold". Ofc if he played longer shit would look different. That's what make bron argument unique and significant is that he has been this good for this long

@mikmaks7393

Жыл бұрын

@@dreamchaser1419 True. Those if's don't count. It's only facts that does.

Putting KD in the same tier as Curry is wild

@carlosrees2301

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@amosstarkey485

Жыл бұрын

Is it? Steph is considered bottom end of the top 10 all time, KD is just outside the top 10, normally between 12th and 15th so there's really not a lot of players between them

@SixSioux

Жыл бұрын

True. Simply because KD has shown he's not a winner and a leader. He had to join an already winning franchise to get his chips. 2023 playoffs confirm.

@Otaku_Akuma

Жыл бұрын

@@amosstarkey485 Ok . . . so KD 12-15 let's revisit that. So in no order the top 11 should be: MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, Wilt, Shaq, Larry Bird, and Steph. Ok so number 12 has to be KD right . . . well no cuz I'm not putting KD over Hakeem, ok so 13 right??? wrong again if you actually look at tier 4 there are a couple of guys there most if not all people should have over KD. Dr. J, D-Wade, and Zeke Isiah Thomas was also better than KD. Which by my math means he should be at best 16th best player and I'm not about to let you disrespect the Logo Jerry West like that. Soooooo in reality KD's about the 17th best player of all time (as of us typing about this). Because Giannis isn't done, Luka's career's just starting, and who knows if Jayson Tatum/Jimmy Butler/Nikola Jokic win this year's title maybe they'll have a valid case over KD. Jokic's case in particular would be very interesting 1 title vs KD's 2 expired ring pops, Jokic's 2 MVP's vs KD's 1 MVP. But that's all conjecture so as of right now KD's the 17th best player of all time (at best).

@stuffylamb3420

Жыл бұрын

I agree. KD's career could've easily ended the same as Harden's if he didn't join the already best team in the league.

How is Duncan not tier two? He’s just as accomplished as Kobe, they are equals.

@Jiturra01

11 ай бұрын

TD More accomplished.... But they're equals, if you factor in cultural impact. Kobe one tier too high is really why we're all wincing at this....

@MaximusR93

11 ай бұрын

@@Jiturra01 I agree, I think dude is a Celtics fan because he moved Russell and Bird to Tier 2, I also don’t think either are better than Duncan.

Tim Duncan deserves Tier 2... Played in every era & showed he can play in modern era

@chinonycc

Жыл бұрын

Without a doubt. Also dirk over d wade is a lil crazy.

@LookingForAName...

Жыл бұрын

@@chinonycc Dirk is absolutely a tier above D Wade

@electric_outpost7380

Жыл бұрын

@@LookingForAName... no😭😭😭

@bosslax3162

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@bathtubtoast9181

Жыл бұрын

@@LookingForAName...eh I’d say there pretty close

Thank you for recognizing Nikola Jokic once again! If he was on a different, more ambitious team he would definitely be climbing this pyramid more quickly

@Gpsrater5

Жыл бұрын

Joker overrated

@Vista.highlights

Жыл бұрын

@@Gpsrater5 L

@pfanzers

Жыл бұрын

@@Gpsrater5 a big man doing things we never seen and you wanna have some dumbass comment like that.

@locococopocoqoco8555

Жыл бұрын

@@Gpsrater5 Not as overrated as DRose.

it baffles me how underrated stockton really is

There are some high quality content videos comparing Lebron and Jordan for the GOAT and they clearly show MJ is by far. I recommend them.

Can’t wait for Luka to get on here. See y’all in 3 years

@vanguardas9927

Жыл бұрын

fatboy won't make tier5...he's james harden 2.0

@dj-lk2uh

Жыл бұрын

@@vanguardas9927 wait he wins a ring

@pi_za8214

Жыл бұрын

bro its too early in his career, yall nedda wait a sec, when all is siad and done he will for sure, but rn? no hes not there yet, and he wont be there in 3 years

@vanguardas9927

Жыл бұрын

@@dj-lk2uh he won't unless he joins a superteam...he's literally harden except he doesn't choke in the playoffs and is fat af...luka is gassed by the 3rd quarter in every game he plays in

@Strutz3E

Жыл бұрын

Luka won’t get on even if he starts averaging 35 simply because this list is so elite with so much hardware to back it up. Luka is great but it’s too premature to try and say he’s an all time great

Giannis to me is the 2nd best PF of all time… Not to discredit Dirk, KG, and Karl-but what Giannis has done at such a young age is incredible

@ajodbeats

Жыл бұрын

If Karl would of took some of those mj rings we would be looking at this waaaaay different 🤫

@freaknature1774

Жыл бұрын

Imo Giannis is already the greatest PF and if he isnt he’s about to surpass Dirk

@tubster4649

Жыл бұрын

@@freaknature1774 no

@ryboi1337

Жыл бұрын

@@tubster4649 yes

@Amleto.

Жыл бұрын

@@freaknature1774 Tim Duncan literally exists

Well rounded video we gon need an update tho

Thank you for the effort on your videos. Keep up the good quality content. Can you make a video showing who the goat is by using a point system to rank accomplishments. Example: One 3 Championship over 6 years is equivalent to a 2 Peat. Two 2 Peats are equivalent to one 3 Peat. And add a point system to each accomplishment to determine who the goat is 🤔

The fact that Jokic missed out on the top NBA 75 list and is now about to join a few guys in being a back to back to back MVP is WILD.

@georgiosyiannakou5537

Жыл бұрын

At the time when they selected the top 75, Jokic only had one regular season MVP and one appearance in Conference finals. So it was kind of a correct decision.

@ClassicFeta

Жыл бұрын

I expect AD to be ejected from that 75

@batopopadic1071

Жыл бұрын

@@georgiosyiannakou5537 i mean, mvp is kind of a big thing. There werent that many players who got it 🤷🏽‍♂️ But anyway, still didn't deserve it back then, but now he coming into the better part of those 75 😶

@sportbrawl480

Жыл бұрын

@@batopopadic1071 if it’s like that then D rose would be there or Westbrook, winning fmvp gives you a bigger boost than winning a regular season mvp

@bysonchi

Жыл бұрын

@@batopopadic1071 MVP is a joke, more like a popularity contest by writers and commentators, than what it was truly supposed to represent. How else do we explain why MJ had only 6, and Lebron only 4.

Kevin Garnett is the most underrated player in the league in my opinion. So happy to see Dirk and Him moved up to tier 4. Drik's success is granted. KG's not so much. Great to see him getting some shine here.

@bandjolyn

Жыл бұрын

As a Mavs fan, I agree wholeheartedly. Especially now that Dirk is a tier above D Wade lol.

@duartemalafaya6251

Жыл бұрын

I actually believe Garnett should be in the same tier as d wade, I would pick wade anytime

@javigar133

Жыл бұрын

Kg belongs in the pyramid, but not higher than IT or Stockton, and possibly Wade. That's muy opinion

@jasonl1184

Жыл бұрын

KG underachieved, like that one Celtics title with Allen and pierce saved all their careers and is the reason doc is still coaching. How tf can u only win one title with that roster.

@pinobluevogel6458

Жыл бұрын

Advanced stats and tracking show Garnett as one of the most elite players on both ends of the floor. He was a one man army and had a huge impact in the games he played. Too bad his career was cut short by injuries. I think he should be one tier higher on the pyramid, maybe even two.

Jokic is going to keep working his way higher up this list.🎉

Wemby makes it to the pyramid very soon. In 5 years the NBA world and history will be totally changed.

I think Duncan would have been tier 2 if they hadn't lost to Miami during 2013 or 2014. He would have been 6-0 in the finals

@yc99official95

Жыл бұрын

if i put everything into consideration, skillset, accomplishments, stats, sustained excellence, and influence/impact, it would be hard for me to decide who's the #1 GOAT, but if we used conventional ways, i could make a case for duncan being the #1 GOAT

R.I.P. to Kobe Bryant and Bill Russell, who have both passed away since Jxmy's first G.O.A.T. pyramid video.

Tim Duncan tier 3 is wild

Jokić really proving why he should've been on this pyramid a long time ago. Can't wait for an update.

@tylerpieratt8283

11 ай бұрын

Fr fr

@trubornstraw

11 ай бұрын

He dont wanna make the update bc he dont wanna say brons the goat, itll drop viewership 😊

@jarlbalgruuf7701

9 ай бұрын

@@trubornstrawhe still not the goat though so it’s fine. more accolades, better peak, better advanced stats. Did more in a shorter time period. Jordan’s still up. Breaking a longevity record doesn’t change anything and getting swept last playoffs doesn’t help.

9:15 crazy how this 3.5 year span is a guaranteed Hall of Fame spot for any NBA player.

@dreamchaser1419

Жыл бұрын

To be fair olajuwon 1994 season is a guaranteed hof. Champ, FMvp, Mvp, Dpoy, All NBA teams.

So glad kawhi got added. his 2019 run with the raptors was one of the most impressive performances I’ve ever seen, aswell as his overall defensive ability throughout his career. A quiet killer

@irjake

Жыл бұрын

I agree with his addition now, but with his injury history I expect him to be surpassed and drop off in the next pyramid in 5 years.

@cuylerpenrod1031

Жыл бұрын

@@irjake yep, his load management is gonna end up hurting his legacy unfortunately

@adil8701

Жыл бұрын

Especially when you know he played the finals and part of the playoffs injured

@trikk9964

Жыл бұрын

... ehhh...

@Outwardpd

11 ай бұрын

Just imagining what Kawhi's legacy could've been if he hadn't wasted his talent going to the Clipper is going to be one of the biggest 'what ifs' ever.

Man russ is just so underrated, yea his individuality was not made for playoffs but his regular season stats in his prime years, man he averaged a freakin tripledouble like for 5 years

Jokic needs to be on tier 5 easily after the 2023 ring

I love the content you put out bro, Bron and MJ fan at heart and I can’t hardly ever dispute your opinion. I just have to point out that Magic and Bird were drafted in the 70s but that portion of eras was wild when you consider the depth of skill in the 80s. Love the channel

@rlmalonzo1184

Жыл бұрын

I've never thought I see a day in the internet that a certain person are both MJ and LeBron fan. Thanksl you for this, breathe of fresh air lol Coz most of their fanbase just spent their debate yelling at each other

@thefourthquarter7429

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the two GOATS. They were / are amazing to watch. Somebody made a comment that applies perfectly to these two: "Aliens doing alien sh!$t"

@jbailey690

Жыл бұрын

@@thefourthquarter7429 😂😂😂

D-wade and Isaiah Thomas both have a strong argument to be above Kevin Garnet. I know tier two is already looking crowded but it feels weird not having Timmy up there. Man, I never get tired of the nba GOATs conversation.

@BravestOfTheBrave

Жыл бұрын

Timmy should be in tier 2 instead of bird

@tqmper7153

Жыл бұрын

@@BravestOfTheBrave they both should be there

@UncleSmokeKing

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Bird and Magic should always be same tier, but Kobe, Shaq and Duncan I think should always be paired together as well.

@Lregofins34

Жыл бұрын

@@BravestOfTheBrave definitely!

Tim Duncan stay gettin disrespected. He's arguably in the goat conversation, and people still won't give him his props.

I respect it, tough to see my boy AI get cut but we all have different opinions

Giannis will slowly climb this ladder and if he continues this dominance for the rest of his career then he’ll be right there in tier one with the goats

I can’t be the only one just waiting the whole video for this man to add Giannis to the pyramid

@xanderc1225

Жыл бұрын

Fr I knew he couldn’t leave him off

I have a couple vid suggestions if u see this: Are NBA players today simply better than 90’s, 00’s? in depth, remake GOAT pyramid ofc, YOUR top 25 players vs objectively top 25 players. I thought those might be cool ideas. Anyway you the GOAT of YT fr

That is a great list, but I would put Wilt in T2 as he has that massive domination factor and imba stats. KD has no business being that high and personally I hate AI not making the list.

@morrisparrish76

5 ай бұрын

How can u not have a man (WNC) who is 1st in scoring ave- minutes played ave & rebound ave as #1 is hateful-foolish-opionated & criminal!

I think Tim Duncan could possibly be a tier higher but overall pretty spot on I would say

@hirokeo

Жыл бұрын

Duncan always get disrespected because his game was boring. he's top 5 all time imo.

@jasonmoukala8909

Жыл бұрын

@@hirokeo facts

Nice work, Jxmy. Even though it will be a few years, I am heavily intrigued to see the next edition of this GOAT pyramid. Will Jokic win a ring and make it? How far does Giannis ascend after the next few years? Could a fifth ring for Steph put him in tier 2? Great video!

@JAYJ_17

Жыл бұрын

I agree can’t wait but honestly a 5th ring for Steph puts him in tier 1

@judyclarkson5887

Жыл бұрын

@@JAYJ_17 Nah mate,, tier 2. He'll get to that tier 1 if somehow he manages to win 2 or 3 more rings (which is crazy to even think about considering he'll postpone so many young and upcoming players their maiden title if that really happens in the future).

No way KD is on the same Tier as Tim Duncan, thats insane!

Gonna have to add Jokic to this list at some point

This is one of the most accurate goat rankings I've seen in a long time. The video as a whole was amazing, love the work put into this.👍 However, in my opinion Tim Duncan should be put on tier two *Five rings *Three finals MVPs *Two MVPs *Fifteen time All-NBA *Fifteen time All-defence *ROY *Played nineteen seasons *Brought his team to the playoffs each year This is comparable to many players on the tier above. He was one Ray Allen shot away from being top three all time. In my opinion he has already surpassed Kobe, Bird, and Bill on the all time ranking. The difference between them isn't that noticeable though. Some people put him down though because he doesn't 'look' dominant or he had too much help. All great players need All-star help, look at anyone in the top 12 they all needed good teammates. Some players have brought bad teams to the playoffs but not many have won championships like that. Sorry for making this long but I hope people start ranking Timmy a bit higher. Somewhere around Magic and Kobe.

@natedy966

Жыл бұрын

Good point

@sosachamberlain8665

Жыл бұрын

He was a Lebron away from that ring… who put them there and hit the 3 pointer right b4 ray?

@nomesobrenome8539

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, some ppl say his peak wasn’t that good, but look at 03 Duncan, the guy beat a team with 2 top 5 in mvp voting (Kobe and Shaq), while his best teammate was Tony Parker who was on his 2nd year in the league and scored 15 pts

@letstalkbasketball727

Жыл бұрын

@@sosachamberlain8665 wouldn’t matter if Ray Allen didn’t make that 3

@sosachamberlain8665

Жыл бұрын

@@letstalkbasketball727 Wouldn’t matter if Bron didn’t get them there

Good list except for Tim Duncan not being tier 2. 5 chips and 2 mvps 3 FMVPs and 13 all nba and all defensive appearances is crazy. Especially since you have Kobe in tier 2 when Duncan has more everything except all star game appearances while they both played in the same era.

@jackstone2176

Жыл бұрын

He also played with three HoF players and a GOAT coach.

I agree with your placement of Russell, Bird, Durant, Curry, Malone, and Jokic.

Id love to see a new edition for the pyramid after the playoffs. I got so many questions Does Luka already deserve a spot on this list for the best offensive numbers ever, and if he gets the MVP? Does LeBron's major accomplishments push him over MJ? Does Giannis go into tier 3 if the bucks win the chip this year, and he gets another FMVP? If Jokic wins this years MVP, gets another chip and FMVP, does he deserve a spot in tier 3? Maybe even Tier 2? This is definitely a list you gotta update, at the max, ever 2 years

I think the problem with Harden not being on the list at all, is that if he wins a single Finals MVP and a single championship, he can't be any lower than Tier 3. I think you weigh championships too much when ranking players, and the context with not just Harden, but other All-Time greats just not quite getting there needs to be looked at at a more case-by-case basis.

@PastorFuture_

Жыл бұрын

Same man, Harden is at least tier 5. I feel like his argument with him not making it was unfair. He still has Charles Barkley on the list despite him not having much playoff success either. Barkley’s numbers didn’t dip as much as Harden’s in the Playoffs but the the things Harden did in his peak are still worthy of matching Barkley’s spot on the pyramid

@cahlilwesson2873

Жыл бұрын

@@StFigarlandGarling this is the world where giannis is better than him hes better than him across the board in damn near every category even 3pt and assists theyre very close and giannis is on the right side of 30 so within a year or 2…

@randonaneo8526

Жыл бұрын

The thing is in a side by side comparison to the two on paper, James Harden falls a little short. Not a lot, just a little. James harden only falls short due to his performance in the post-season tbh. If Harden could've played longer, and be a consistent shooter, rather than trying to rely on drawing a foul to make a bucket, would've easily placed him Tier 3 no doubt. I'm not saying he isn't consistent when he takes good shots, but he would usually try to draw a foul to get to the line. It is just that little bit, which was why he had not made it to the pyramid (I think lol). A little longer and I believe he'll replace Barkley as long as he's healthy and building for a better post-season.

@gopaliagrawal

Жыл бұрын

He can't be on Tier 3, he straight quite on 2 teams and got out that is not mentality of a winner. Even if he wins a championship he won't be the best player on the team as long as Embid is there so finals MVP is almost off the table

@kingkai18

Жыл бұрын

the criteria includes championships, so he can’t be on there period.