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@Elisha_the_bald_headed_prophet

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for changing the color of your shirt for the ad, making it easily skippable. Many youtubers forget even this common courtesy. You're a true English gentleman.

@random6033

7 ай бұрын

With ground news you can see through media bias by using a different biased source pretending to be unbiased.

@valmid5069

7 ай бұрын

Yo Alex; I was wondering if you could do analysis on having similar views that you have to Fydor Dostoevsky, Franz Kafka, G.K Chesterton, Max Stirner, George Orwell, and Ayn Rand Also further explaining how religious figures like William Wilberforce, Fredrick Douglass, Dr King, and Cesar Chavez greatly shows that Atheism still need to work on their original values of morality Can’t wait for more!

@georgekingsley6432

7 ай бұрын

That transition was really smooth

@Leszek.Rzepecki

7 ай бұрын

@@valmid5069 Ethics and morality are instincts, derived from evolution. And speaking as an old ex-Catholic, over half a century free from that church, there are few Christian churches less moral than that one, some Protestant fundamentalists aside. If we really want to know where our morality comes from, we need only look at our fellow ape species.

"Suffering from a poverty of imagination" is going straight onto my gentle insults list

@Minisynapse

7 ай бұрын

Passive-aggression is a sign of maturity

@Lscott-fk2sn

7 ай бұрын

​@@Minisynapsepersonally I wouldn't make an absolute judgement when it comes to being passive agressive, it is better sometimes and worse other times.

@jonathanrao6498

7 ай бұрын

It’s funny because it seems to me like a very obvious thing to say whenever you’re discussing perspectives, so it’s almost as if you’re not only admitting that you love that expression but how well it would apply to yourself. Whether this is the case or not (I clearly know nothing about you, you were probably just appreciating the way it was worded) I believe the best insults are those that point out on others the filth we see in ourselves. So if that logic is true, I must be doing that quite frequently (yes it happens but I’m quite ashamed of that, if I end up acting as if I’m any better, which also happens). I will milk that argument even more, and say that this is precisely what Alex is doing here as well. I mean he knows very well that many people who hold the position he is criticizing are just as capable as he is to imagine that kind of suffering. Some don’t even need that kind of abstraction exercise because they have gone, or are going through incommensurable pain. What he is really saying is that he lacks the imagination to understand how people could experience bliss and find meaning even among the toughest and most excruciating (o wait does that word perhaps refer to a cross?😂) circumstances and therefore he does not stand with the idea that life is always worth to be liven.

@daanstrik4293

7 ай бұрын

@@MinisynapseI would already be in a coffin if this were true

@vclapem9140

7 ай бұрын

@@Minisynapsepassive aggression is a sign of lack of ability to confront issues, a sign of immaturity

The most insane take in this video BY FAR is that minty is the opposite of spicy.

@krembryle7903

7 ай бұрын

like...it isn't that wrong? one is cold one is hot

@necromancer6405

7 ай бұрын

@@krembryle7903 Fire if it burns long enough makes you cold, cold if left long enough burns.

@anticorncob6

7 ай бұрын

So what's the opposite of spicy? I feel like it has to be something that has the potential to be extreme in its own direction; milky or creamy wouldn't do that, but minty would.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

No that take from you is definitely spicy.

@seionne85

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I've always thought of sweet as the opposite of spicy *shrug*

"Minty" being the opposite of "spicy" needs it's own philosophical discussion.

@CrystalLily1302

7 ай бұрын

No IIRC the kind of spicy being referred to here activates the thermal nerves that detect heat in the tongue while mint activates the thermal nerves that detect cold so they are in a very real way opposites.

@kakahass8845

7 ай бұрын

@@CrystalLily1302"Spicy" can also be described as just "An unpleasant feeling created from non-harmful compounds activating nerves that signal danger/pain" in which case minty is spicy.

@bunsenn5064

7 ай бұрын

@@kakahass8845If that were the case, then pain itself would be spicy. That’s a flawed definition.

@kakahass8845

7 ай бұрын

@@bunsenn5064You could say that for basically every type of pain though.

@AYVYN

7 ай бұрын

@@CrystalLily1302 I believe heat here refers to innovation; like the discovery of fire. So a cold take would be the loss of progress.

Using suicide as a segway to the sponsor was definetely indian spicy

@johnrogstad1278

Ай бұрын

Oof. "Segway" is a brand. "Segue" is the general term for rhetorical transition.

@Dr_suter

Ай бұрын

Let’s segue into an argument on why you should stfu. Just kidding (kinda)

@want-diversecontent3887

9 күн бұрын

​@@johnrogstad1278Not in 20 years

Here’s my hot take: someone who is medically psychopathic and thus feels no empathy towards other humans but chooses to behave ethically towards them anyway is more morally praiseworthy than someone who does good because it appeases their conscience.

@1awlfc1

7 ай бұрын

The obvious question from that is what motivates the psychopath? It’s clearly not altruism as he is incapable of empathy, but it also isn’t self interest because if it was it can’t be ‘more’ morally praiseworthy than if a non-psychopath acted the same way

@legittaco5899

7 ай бұрын

@@1awlfc1 At that point wouldn't the only possible explanation be some vow of truth, because regardless of personal feelings, a psychopathic person can still be reasoned with to determine what is in the general interest of people and will act accordingly to do what they perceive as right.

@1awlfc1

7 ай бұрын

@@legittaco5899 But I think motivation remains the issue. Using reason to persuade the psychopath who is incapable of empathy will inevitably conclude that morally right behaviour either helps others (therefore empathy) or himself (self-Interest, therefore no more morally praiseworthy than a non-psychopath). Unless there would be a way to persuade the psychopath with reason that didn’t ultimately boil down to empathy or self interest.

@yasyasmarangoz3577

7 ай бұрын

​@1awlfc1 Why cannot all internet discussions be like that? Good points you two.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

That’s not a hot take.

Rating the guy who complained you didnt clearly define "hot take" was hilarious lol

@johnnypopstar

7 ай бұрын

His "letter to the editor" will be in amongst these comments no doubt. Look for one several paragraphs long.

@nathanmiller9918

7 ай бұрын

Alex respects his viewers enough to assume they'll Google s they don't comprehend. He respected this person too much, one could say.

@MexicanNerd10

6 ай бұрын

My controversial philosophical take: Suffering is not inherently unjust or immoral. Feel free to respond!

@alex2005z

6 ай бұрын

​@@MexicanNerd10is that even controversial?

@willemmmmm

5 ай бұрын

That guy amused me. I think it's more respectful of viewers' intelligence to not explicitly define the widely understood and self-explanatory term 'hot take' than it is to spell it out.

I think people that are against euthanasia dont understand that there are cases where it is indicated. I am willing to share my experience to give a better understanding why someone might want to end their life on their own terms. I grew up in a household of neglect and abuse and spent most of my teens living out of black bags without a stable home. I found a reason to live and have dedicated my life to helping reduce the suffering of others. I worked through my trauma and put myself through school and became a registered veterinary nurse. I have specialised and work in a small animal intensive care unit. I have held many animals during their last breaths and many when they are left are not peaceful. Euthanasia means good death and in a lot of cases where treatment and recovery is futile, it is a final act of compassion and kindness. It is the cessation of suffering. I am now 30 years old and also have been diagnosed with Huntingtons disease. Its an incurable, neurodegerative disease with no cure and no treatments. I have started to exhibit the first signs of the disease this year. Left on its own, it takes 10-15 years before I'll be completely bed ridden in a vegetative state. I'm not afraid to die but I am petrified of slowly rotting. Losing my faculties. Someone who had to be so independent would have to depend on others to perform basic human functions. I dont want that. After all that I have been through, and will continue to go through, do I not also deserve to go quietly, and with dignity on my own terms when the time is right? I do not want to kill myself, I simply want to pass away whilst I am still myself. Do I not deserve that kindness?

@LifeStrike2030

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for this. I hope you find peace and have your own choice.

@adriani9432

7 ай бұрын

100% agree. People who are against all euthanasia are monsters whose only justification is their religious beliefs.

@turbovirgin_

7 ай бұрын

Here's the way I see it. Two hundred years ago, a doctor visits a family on the plains. Their uncle is bedridden with a horrible illness. The doctor determines that there's nothing he can do for him. He's a goner. What does the doctor tell the family? Does he say he'll leave the uncle to a slow and agonizing death? No. He pulls out his six-shooter and says "I can at least make sure he doesn't suffer". He goes back in the room, and the uncle has already taken his own life. A note rests in his hand: "I'm sorry". How do you think the family reacts? Do they see him as brave? Dignified? Are they supportive of his decision? I don't like the idea of dying with dignity on your own terms. Something about choosing to walk away from life while you're still comfortable seems inhuman to me. But ending someone's life to prevent a future of unbearable suffering is a monumental act of kindness. It's one we've been doing for thousands of years. In short, I don't think the choice to die should be yours to make. I think it should be made by the people around you, as an act of kindness from people who don't want to see you suffer.

@jadekemp591

7 ай бұрын

@@turbovirgin_ Everyone has a right to an opinion but when it encroaches on the rights and welfare of others it becomes dangerous. Unless you have been given the diagnosis you do not have the qualification or experience to comment on whether someone should have the right to end their life. I'd argue that allowing the disease to progress where I have no comprehension of what is happening to me is leaving me in a state less than human. I've walked away from a long term partner and I've decided not to have children as it'd be unethical. We are born, and then we die and that is it. There is no good, no wicked, no big plan, its just life. Things happen everyday. We add value and determine if something is right or wrong or good or bad. There is no intrinsic truth. Assisted dying is currently illegal in the UK so I cannot rely on others to end my suffering. If I have the ability to be a DNR then I should have the right to be euthanised. If you had understanding of how assisted dying laws work in the world, you would have known that you must gain informed consent when you are of corpus mentis. This means I need to make decisions whilst I'm still of sound mind. This is the reality of living with a terminal diagnosis. I would also implore you to think about what quality of life means to you and how you would feel if you weren't able to do the things you love anymore. I've cried at how beautiful the sun setting is, how the feeling of ocean air feels on my face. I understand the beauty of the world but I won't even be able to comprehend that. Imagine you not being able to walk without falling, not being able to put food in your mouth, button your own clothes, even cleaning yourself up after you've gone to the toilet. Imagine not being able to read, or talk or even being able to understand what is being said to you. Would you want this for yourself? Because that is what you are suggesting I live with.

@LifeStrike2030

7 ай бұрын

@@turbovirgin_ so in short, you don’t think our lives belong to us, you think we are slaves to those around us.

My hot take is that people often don't properly consider themselves in relation to the philosophical questions they ask. It causes them to anguish over things they don't need to. A classic example would be "what's the meaning of life?" I think it's much more important, from a personal wellbeing standpoint, to consider "why do I want to know what the meaning of life is?" "how would I change if I knew the meaning of life?" etc. When you ask these questions it seems more apparent to me that the original question is malformed and doesn't really need an answer. There are a few different questions with this problem; "what's the true nature of reality?", "do we have free will?", "do we have a soul?", "what is morally correct?" etc. They all have implicit assumptions and motives that originate from our human experiences and it appears more beneficial to me to understand those assumptions and motives and why I have them than the answers to those questions.

@jaideepshekhar4621

7 ай бұрын

Interesting.

@GLUBSCHI

7 ай бұрын

I think i already do this because i've never really wondered if there was some intrinsic "meaning of life" and yet it seems for some people it's all they can think about

@Jonathan-A.C.

7 ай бұрын

Apt

@greanbeen2816

7 ай бұрын

“What is the meaning of life” for me always distills into the equally difficult question of “what do I want”

@chickenmission9156

6 ай бұрын

Whilst I agree with your take for a question as subjective as "what is the meaning of life", I think the other examples you give are different kinds of questions. Questions such as "do we have free will" are attempting to understand how the universe operates, motivated by the same sentiments as scientists which isn't true for "what is the meaning of life".

My mintiest take is that Alex should make more videos like this. The debates are brilliant, but i like his solo videos the most where he is just talking about stuff.

@MikeFrazee222

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I wanted to leave this comment.

@aodhfyn2429

7 ай бұрын

Hear, hear!

@BrianWoodruff-Jr

7 ай бұрын

This is a good comment, err, Yay comment!

@BoinkChess-wj2ym

7 ай бұрын

Yes

@durarara911

7 ай бұрын

Totally agree

A horse walks into a bar. The barman says "Hey, you've been in here a lot lately. Do you think you have a drinking problem?" The horse responds "I don't think so". And with that, the horse immediately disappears into thin air. That was the joke. It's a play on René Descartes's "I think therefore I am". I couldn't tell you the last bit before the joke as I didn't want to put Descartes before the horse.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

Fun joke but why is it a horse?

@johnchesterfield9726

7 ай бұрын

@@SchgurmTewehrCause why not

@DarthVaderfr

7 ай бұрын

​@@SchgurmTewehrit's BoJack horseman

@SquishypuffDave

7 ай бұрын

​@@SchgurmTewehrBecause horses are traditionally what you put before Descartes.

@misterdoctor9693

7 ай бұрын

That was a roller coaster of a joke. Props.

The libertarian had no choice but to write that he had "free will".

@petervancaeseele9832

7 ай бұрын

Brutal Hitchslap

@chimpinaneckbrace

7 ай бұрын

He did it because he wanted to because he had to.

@philosphorus

7 ай бұрын

We are condemned to be free - Jean Paul Sartre

@soffybear

7 ай бұрын

Whats the hatred toward libertarianism? Seems interesting and somewhat reasonable

@coweatsman

7 ай бұрын

@@soffybearI would not call it hatred so much as a misunderstanding of human behaviour. A false belief in our autonomy and our rationality. In truth human behaviour is very determined and very irrational. Group affiliation, our love of others and self destructive behaviour is deep brain biology of areas of the brain we inherited from prehuman ancestors. We are mostly unconscious. Our deep brain impulses are fed to the cerebral cortex which then comes up with a story as to why X would be a "noble" or "honourable" thing to do. We are only informed of our true motivation on a need to know basis by the "deep state" of the mind, like the deep state of a nation. Take the Iraq war. America did not want to see itself as greedy, avaricious and grasping so the story of WMDs in Iraq made the war "noble". Our minds operate in the same way, protecting us from knowledge of who we reaaly are. This is where libertarianism completely break down. Its model of human motivations are all wrong and ill informed.

The darkest stories humanity has come up with do not end with “everybody dies”; they end with the characters being condemned to eternal conscious suffering. From the Greek punishments of Sisyphus, Tantalus, Prometheus etc. to the biblical concept of hell to modern stories like “I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream” to Grimdark concepts such as the sarcophagus / helbrute in Warhammer 40k, or the ending of the video game “Scorn”.

@zahubshahid7944

Ай бұрын

I have no mouth is one of the scariest stories I've read.

My hot philosophical take is that Alex's facial hair leads to his opinions carrying more weight

@bronsonvann2662

7 ай бұрын

Don’t forget about the British accent

@jadongrifhorst6221

7 ай бұрын

@@bronsonvann2662 both of these are relatively mild takes (unless you mean his opinions actually mean more in reality because of these things and not just that people weigh it more because the latter is totally true)

@duncanbrown4184

7 ай бұрын

Never trust a person with a beard. If he's hiding his chin, what else is he hiding? Everyone knows the chin is the window to the soul. 😅

@stevem7945

7 ай бұрын

@@duncanbrown4184 anything could be lurking in the cleft in Alex's hairy chin.

@michaelregis1015

7 ай бұрын

​@@duncanbrown4184🤣🤣🤣

After watching my Nana suffer for several years, in pain and confusion and terror, while my aunt spent most her time caring for my Nana, causing so much suffering, assisted suicide should absolutely be allowed. I am convinced that my Nana would have filled out a living will while cognizant that allowed for assisted suicide given the physical and mental state she was in.

@kiara4345

7 ай бұрын

Same situation here. It was heartbreaking to watch my grannie, an active and beautiful person, completely paralysed, not even able to speak and unwilling to try when she knew it was pointless. And all the suffering was just awful.

@littlebitofhope1489

7 ай бұрын

That is fine if you have family. But those without family will be thrown out as soon as they are the least bit of a burden. They did it to disabled people during the pandemic. There are dangers that no one thinks about.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

@@littlebitofhope1489who is they and how do you know? What do you mean by thrown out?

@GameTimeWhy

7 ай бұрын

​@@littlebitofhope1489what is happening to disabled people during the pandemic?

@jackwaycombe

7 ай бұрын

​​@GameTimeWhy As disabled and near 80 - I can tell you what. Shrugs and excuses, that's what.

So, as someone who has attempted suicide before, I wanted to comment on the suicidality one. I think it's very easy for people who haven't had a lot of contact with suicide to go straight to "you should have a right to choose to die, so we shouldn't interfere with suicide attempts". I think the thing that's missing in that analysis is the "of sound mind" aspect of decision-making. I do realize this may vary from person to person, but for many people (myself included), active suicidality comes during moments of crisis. The period of time during which you are in an emotional state where you would actually make an attempt (as opposed to just thinking about it) are generally fairly short and very acute. In other words, you are in a heavily altered state of consciousness. And as with signing legal contracts when heavily drunk, we generally accept that certain things you might in theory have the right to do can be abridged when in a heavily altered state. So, while legal punishment for suicide or suicide attempts like you discussed is pretty abhorrent in my mind, I think it's reasonable to do everything in your power to prevent someone from successfully carrying out an attempt. I am very grateful that the people around me did that for me, and I hope that if I ever get there again, they would do so in the future. (Hopefully I won't but if I do.)

@DjDolHaus86

7 ай бұрын

Like all other major decisions in life it should come with the "being of sound mind and body" disclaimer where you have either signed a legally recognisable document ahead of time saying (eg.) "If I ever become mentally/physically disabled beyond an agreed point of satisfaction then I wish to forfeit my life." or you are in a position where you are provided adequate, free counselling to attempt to turn things around before making the final decision.

@teemumiettinen7250

6 ай бұрын

So how does this apply to people who are not emotionally suicidal? Like you look at things objectively and you come to the logical outcome that its just not worth living anymore? Because this is how I view my life, when its not objectively worth living I will end it, which will probably be soon.

@mannomann70

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@teemumiettinen7250what if you are wrong? See 10:57

@proudtobeme1ashkente

6 ай бұрын

Then that's what it is. We allow people to make wrong choices constantly, why not in this case? No one can say it's a wrong choice, though because no one can see into the future. We can see the past, though. If someone has lived 51% of their expected lifetime then they have enough proof from the past to make this decision.

@mannomann70

6 ай бұрын

Well by that logic you don‘t have to read a book after reading 51% of it because you already know what is written in the second half And yes you can do whatever you want but I think there is difference between making bad financial choices for example and ending your life In one instance there is chance to recover the other is final One might think that live cannot get better and be a 100 percent certain about it but as you said noone can see into the future. So there is a chance that things will get better. In my personal opinion that is enough to keep going even of there seems to be no evidence for a better life in the future I cant prove it but ive heard that most people are glad to survive a suicide attempt like the original commentor. Take it as you want Ive lost a friend to suicide a few years ago and i didn‘t even know that he was struggling. He seemed to have eveything. A caring Family, many friends, a loving girlfriend and a good Job with a promising future. I dont know what was going on inside his head, he didnt tell anyone. I guess he thought that he has to deal with it on his own. And he did. but i wish he wouldnt and instead talked about it. Even if it was with me who wasnt too close of a friend. Instead he left behind a lot of shattered hearts and people wondering how they might have contributed to and whether they could have deterred him from his decision He was a really good guy and over two years later i still miss him dearly

Wrt Galileo's dialogues, he also named the pro-tradition character Simplicio. If you start your dialogue by introducing one character as Mr Stupid, it's a pretty safe bet which side you support and which you don't.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

Mr Stupid 😂

Being in an extreme Christian fundamentalist household, your videos create a really safe space where I can think about philosophy and religion in a much less narrow view. I just wanted to thank you for that, I love your stuff.

@QuestionsIAskMyself

7 ай бұрын

youre so real for this

@theunclejesusshow8260

7 ай бұрын

I can relate with that. I WAS an 8th day Independent Fundamental Baptist. I was about as fun as a Prickly Cactus

@delikatessbruhe9843

7 ай бұрын

You might want to try genetically modified skeptic as well if you haven't already. He's really big on giving a community to those who don't feel like they belong to their religious environment irl.

@theunclejesusshow8260

7 ай бұрын

@delikatessbruhe9843 Thanks, Enjoy the Show cuzinz ✋️

@john.premose

7 ай бұрын

I guess. But he's way too shallow for me, for someone who self proclaims as a philosopher. Ok, what he's saying would be interesting in the 16th century, possibly some of the 17th, but in a 21st century context he talks at a child's level.

Mate I can't get over the fact that I started following you only when you were 16...and you have now grown into such a well balanced thinker.

@oosmanbeekawoo

7 ай бұрын

Hehe.. I remember his physics videos xD

@kellydalstok8900

7 ай бұрын

Where has the psychedelic chest of drawers gone?

@DiahRhiaJones

5 ай бұрын

He quit veganism (which isn't actually possible) and whined about easily fixable shit because of all the solutions he has access to that almost no one else has because of his extreme privilege and you call him a "well balanced thinker." I think you're "an unthinking clown."

I have always believed that I had a right to die when I wanted to. I still do. Even when I was a Christian. It is an inner belief. Of course I've always felt compassion and empathy for anyone who committed suicide.

@adriani9432

7 ай бұрын

My hot take is that suicide, in most cases is not the best decision one should make. Because when someone commits suicide, they will leave behind people who love them, and because if the problem(s) driving someone to suicide is/are removed, the person will likely not have any desire to commit suicide. However, I believe commiting suicide to hasten death in cases of incurable/unbearable illness or in anticipation of them is justified.

@adriani9432

7 ай бұрын

My hot take is that while we have a right to suicide, it is not an ideal route to take. Because when someone commits suicide, they leave behind people who love them, and when their problems are adressed most people stop being suicidal. The exception to this is in cases of terminal illness to hasten death.

@sharkybrickfilms5716

7 ай бұрын

If you are religious tho, you don’t own your body so you don’t have the right to die. God owns your body so if there is something He forbids you shouldn’t do it

@philcollinslover56705

7 ай бұрын

@@adriani9432yea but its also not good to live for someone elses happiness

@adriani9432

7 ай бұрын

@@m780dff Freak accidents are accidents, not like suicide where there is a concious choice to take one's own life. What I was trying to say is that seeking professional help should be prioritized over ending your own life. Terminal ilnesses are a different story, because you are destined to die a slow miserable death anyway with or without professional help, so why not get it overwith. My moral stance on suicide, is that it is orders of magnitude more moral than murder, and that suicide should not be punished.

I think, assuming it is to be illegal, the only sentence for attempted suicide should be compulsory *free* therapy sessions. Perhaps loosely enforced by the therapist literally showing up at your house so that you can't just 'forget' to go. Of course this has safety concerns that would have to be worked out, but it was just the first thing that came to mind. I'm sure there's some way of doing this properly.

@jimijenkins2548

5 ай бұрын

We do have court ordered therapy as part of plea deals, for example. I'm sure a similar system can apply to suicide attempts.

@commanderyeti3646

4 ай бұрын

Then people will take suicide to get free therapy

@personofthepeople561

4 ай бұрын

this already exists in the form of mental hospitals, but they're not free and often people leave worse off than before bc of how much debt they're in. in the us i should clarify

@Volkbrecht

4 ай бұрын

In my country (Germany) suicide isn't illegal. However, if you fail at it and are found in a state where you need help, courts of law take away your autonomy and get you hospitalized until you are seen as not in danger of harming yourself. "Hospitalized" meaning locked away in a mental hospital, together with a bunch of other folk who are a regarded a danger to themselves OR OTHERS (!). At the same time, medical assistance in suicide is still not fully legalized here. Basically what you suggest, but having seen such a ward from the inside (thankfully only as a visitor) I'd say they are a really good place to start wanting to kill yourself...

I think this should be anonymous to get real shit out of people

@ihatespam2

7 ай бұрын

No one cares, unless your hot take is evil

@La0bouchere

7 ай бұрын

This is why no one said "Incest is fine"

@echiko4932

7 ай бұрын

​​@@La0boucherethat would be one of my takes. I value consent probably to a degree more than the average person, so commonly disgusting and immoral things are fine to me as long as its consensual, extending to the consent of the dead (contracts n stuff). The only hard part to avoid is instances of grooming and coercion, but that's hardly unique to incest or other "icky" things. Children are of course excluded from this responsibility to consent to certain things since their brains are soup. But it's also hard to draw the line between coerced and consenting, seeing as scams and threats and lapses in judgement are a thing.

@theflyingdutchguy9870

7 ай бұрын

​​@@echiko4932i think one problem is that they should not be allowed to have children. as that both endangers the child and the population. so they would both have to lose the ability to bare children

@grimnir2922

7 ай бұрын

​@theflyingdutchguy9870 But then you would have to enforce that, and of course if you're advocating for incest, those who participate are going to want complete rights as couples. You can either enforce eugenics or you criminalize incest to avoid the discussion altogether. For every reason "someone shouldn't have kids," we get them anyway. You can't tell a group of people "we're going to give you SOME leniency" without expecting them to protest in response for further action.

My hot take is individualism can only meaningfully exist within a group. Absent of a group to differentiate oneself from, individualism is meaningless. Like Sydrome from the incredibles said analogously “… And when everyone's super... no one will be.”

@thealphasam7350

7 ай бұрын

I would argue that existence outside of a group is inherently the most pure form of individualism ever possible

@jeffmunkynutz1568

7 ай бұрын

I would argue you two need a hobby 😃

@thealphasam7350

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffmunkynutz1568 sucks it happens to be philosophy :D

@GameTimeWhy

7 ай бұрын

​@@thealphasam7350i think it probably falls into some sort of specific definition of philosophical vs reality kind of discussion

@johnchesterfield9726

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@jeffmunkynutz1568Philosophy is an excellent and mind stimulating hobby that can help you think more clearly and improve yourself. I think this is a hobby that beats many other hobbies, why would you argue they need another one? Let use our minds- the most powerful organ- to explore the world, damn it!

Calling suicide selfish is the height of irony

@chelli6555

5 ай бұрын

I would like to underline and highlight this comment.

@luke1835

5 ай бұрын

I always see it as projection

@davidantunes9900

5 ай бұрын

How so?

@nanowasabi4421

4 ай бұрын

I mean, you’re doing something that you think will be to your benefit despite the harm you know it will cause to others. I’m of the belief that selfishness isn’t always wrong, even as a Christian. It’s selfish to save your own life at the cost of someone else’s discomfort, but it can still be the moral choice as long as you’re not violating their autonomy. Your needs are just as important, morally speaking, as anyone else’s.

@YourAverageYoutubeCommentor

4 ай бұрын

​@@nanowasabi4421 selfish people are better than selfless people.

"Suicide's a crime. The legal term is irreparable damage to company property. What Eugene did to himself was vandalism." - the Outer Worlds

@AYVYN

7 ай бұрын

Haha. Glad I saw something clever today

@tamatebako_yt

6 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking! Clearly suicide was deemed a criminal act because it violated someone's property as in the relation between an absolute monarch and his subjects.

@MexicanNerd10

6 ай бұрын

My controversial philosophical take: Suffering is not inherently unjust or immoral. Feel free to respond!

@bar8aliths_fan

6 ай бұрын

this is so dystopian

@V01DIORE

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@MexicanNerd10Kinda mild moral subjectivity no? We only come to the conclusion through relative ethics, if a majority of people were masochistic rather than merely a sort of Stockholm syndrome with life suffering would be lesser to them. Not that it isn’t already lesser anyway, imposing people itself causes inevitable harm yet people do it. Driving cars, using electronics or any kind of power appliance usually inadvertently causes pollution which causes harm yet people still do it. People eat more sentient creatures or overeat or throw away causing the waste of resource which indirectly causes harm yet people still do it. I think there’s too many of those to consider in order to live life as you’d constantly be on a paranoid type rope trying to be utmost efficient in order to avoid causing harm, I just think the source of all affliction should be solved instead rather than worrying about how you live.

Alex suddenly changed shirts in the middle of saying something, and then I quickly realized, “oh, he found the perfect segway for the ad read later on and couldn’t be bothered to wear the same shirt.” Respect.

@johnnypopstar

7 ай бұрын

I think it was done internationally.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

@@rambunctiousvegetableautocorrect

I bet the sponsor loved the Segway in the suicide question😂

@jakeaurod

7 ай бұрын

Segue, "Segway" the proper name for a type of motorized conveyance.

@MatthewFearnley

7 ай бұрын

As someone who’s not watched the video yet, I’m looking forward to seeing how Segways tie into this question.

@egilsandnes9637

7 ай бұрын

@@MatthewFearnley Now, admitting to reading the comment section _before_ you watch the video, that's at least a bit spicy. But, maybe I'm wrong. I've surprizingly often seen people complaining in the comment section that people drop spoilers. I kid you not. I don't understand how these peoples brains work.

@harrytowers1076

7 ай бұрын

@@egilsandnes9637ehh, I sometimes scroll through the comments during the first half of a video if I’m not particularly gripped by the content (I think that’s the goldfish attention span zoomer brain in me) Didn’t do it with this one as most of Alex’s content is interesting enough I don’t need comments to hold my attention but some videos are dull asl

My hot take: modern political systems and laws are made in a way that pretend we aren't human

@cerealkicker5329

7 ай бұрын

Because in their eyes we aren’t…

@Orange_Swirl

7 ай бұрын

Minty.

I loved this video, please do more. Thank you for your work !

Alex has had the best atheistic-agnostic commentary of every atheist/agnostic ever. The most intellectually honest ever

@sebastianbravo5928

7 ай бұрын

Yay Alex! Boo the rest!

@jyjjy7

7 ай бұрын

I think he focuses FAR too much on comparing and contrasting atheism/agnosticism vs Christianity, as if Christianity is the default religious view. This is somewhat understandable as Christianity undeniably was the default religious framework in which these subjects were examined in most Western philosophy. That said in an age when you aren't going to be stoned to death for not doing so there's no rational reason to confine yourself philosophically to atheism vs Christianity. This is important because Christianity, or any specific religion, is almost impossible to rationally defend over other religions as they are all fantastical in ways that are plainly arbitrary/tied to a specific time/place/culture. Atheism vs Christianity isn't a philosophically relevant question at this point. It's atheism vs ???, because religion can be anything you decide it is (or more likely what you were told it is as a child). Christianity vs any other religion is intractable rationally and atheism vs believing whatever you want is true isn't even a debate.

@johnnypopstar

7 ай бұрын

@@jyjjy7 > It's atheism vs ??? You might struggle to make cogent arguments against something that hasn't been defined yet. And, just to head off one potential response (Or, an attempt to make an argument against something that doesn't yet exist! Will you allow me to succeed? It's quite the spicy paradox!), in this context "pro-atheism" arguments are not necessarily quite the same thing as "anti-???" arguments.

@jyjjy7

7 ай бұрын

@@johnnypopstar I used ??? in reference to the problem with faith I pointed out and labelled intractable. Faith based beliefs are necessarily arbitrary and personal and objectively almost uniformly artifacts of upbringing, ethnicity and the local culture of the time. You can argue for any of The Holy Trinity, Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Ra, Quetzalcoatl, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the invisible purple unicorn, over the others but those arguments are necessarily ultimately faith based, often explicitly and proudly so. It is the same reason Pascal's wager doesn't work; which religion's eternal infinite reward is one supposed hedge towards if one accepts the premise? Most religious doctrines are mutual exclusive requiring worship of this deity or that pantheon over another, often with divine retribution for choosing wrong, but there's no objective or rational standard by which to choose, though most believers will be able to cite things the consider sufficient evidence for their specific faith it is only actually so from a perspective informed by the insular confirmation bias nurtured by most religions. What I'm saying is that even among the religious one person's religion is objectively mythology to those of a different time and place, and often even many others of the same time and place. From any meaningful anthropological perspective religion is a social construct, one whose specific structure, ideology and goals serve social functions, ones orthogonal at best to any serious rational inquiry into the nature of objective reality. Ignoring all this to meet Christians halfway and handle them with kid gloves by taking the specifics of their mythology and its long standing philosophically history of tortured apologetics seriously is what this channel is about really. It colors to the point of distortion how he presents much of the conflict between faith based ideologies and rationality, both directly and in discussions with others.

@xelith6157

7 ай бұрын

It's because he's way more philosophical so he covers a wide variety of topics that are still in a similar ballpark. For most atheist creators, atheism content is all they do, which is totally fine, it's a different field. But I think going deep into philosophy provides more context.

I simply loved this!

i’m gonna be honest, these types of videos combined with the comment section are amazing and enlightening, i really enjoy this stuff for some reason

I'd love to see a thorough video about "ethical emotivism". Thank you for your work.

i also have to agree with the one saying you ahould be able to take your own life because you didnt choose to be born. assisted suicide is legal here in the netherlands. my mom's best friends husband did this. my mom's friend happened to be visiting us. wich she did every vew month. at least once a year. when she suddenly got a call. that call was either the husband or the hospital (i dont remember exactly) the call was that he was done with it. and chose to have his life ended by assisted suicide. this was a very sad day, but i am glad its a thing. people should have the choice to have a peaceful end. my grandmother for example did not get that. she died in a hospital gasping for air trying to yell out that she had to throw up. she died in front of my mother.

@SineEyed

7 ай бұрын

So your mom's friend knew nothing of his plans to end his life? If that's true (in this or in any other similar case), I think it's not only an unethical move on his part, but I would question the legality of it--even where assisted suicide is legal. The reason being, marriage is a legal contract between each individual, and between the two of them as one and the state. Under that contract, each person legally obligated to put the best interests of their partner on the same level as their own. Sneaking away to die without telling your partner seems cruel and unfair, as they will be unprepared for the emotional aspect as well as the financial aspect as well..

@CodyKendall1

7 ай бұрын

@@SineEyed Stupidest take. Victim blaming.

@CodyKendall1

7 ай бұрын

@@SineEyed You win stupid bastard of the day, good job.

@YourAverageYoutubeCommentor

4 ай бұрын

what a coward he was. hope he is somewhere peaceful (hell)

@aymanachkaj3333

3 ай бұрын

Sir, yes sir.​@@YourAverageKZreadCommentor

Probably one of my favorite alex videos in a while

I watched a video the other day about the concentration camp victims who were forced to move and cremate the bodies killed in the gas chamber. All day long they’d have to lie to the other prisoners: “It’s ok, it’s just a shower” just to keep them from panicking. One of them had to do this for a family member. I’d like to see the person who claims “life is ALWAYS worth living” do that for a day and still make that claim.

@Jonathan-A.C.

7 ай бұрын

Although this is an extreme example, one could imagine reasoning as to why someone in said scenario would wish to live. Probably the most likely scenario, being able to see or possibly even affect being freed from said internment. If you have belief in that happening, I can see a reason or plenty of reasons based off of that for why you would keep living. Perhaps out of sheer spite, even

@turbovirgin_

7 ай бұрын

Well, what's the alternative? Personally, I'd like to think that even after years of dehumanization, mental torture, and starvation, I would still find enough strength and outrage within me to tell those CC guards to burn in hell.

@chimpinaneckbrace

7 ай бұрын

@@turbovirgin_ It’s easy to be a hero and a tough guy in the safety and comfort of your home when the horror is hypothetical or happening to someone else.

@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443

7 ай бұрын

Can people please stop using fiction to make arguments?

@turbovirgin_

7 ай бұрын

@@chimpinaneckbrace Yeah, and it takes incredible strength to look the brutality of the SS in the face and say "What you're doing is pure evil, and I will not be an accomplice to your atrocities." I don't think that would make me a hero. I would just be doing what any human being should do. What would you prefer I do instead? Give in to the violence and do what the guards say? Take my own life? Not be in a concentration camp in the first place?

Great video. You definitely do more like this.

This was a fun one, if love to see another 😊

I love that you've given every argument an easy out because they're just emoting

Fascinating video, love seeing your reaction to these takes, a second video would be amazing!

I THOROUGHLY enjoyed this. It was brief, light, humorous and still pretty stimulating. It was nice to see this opinion/ video-essay style of content being uploaded again.

@johnnypopstar

7 ай бұрын

> brief, light, humorous and still pretty stimulating. Title of your sex tape!

Really enjoyed this format!

Very interresting more content like this please!

This has to be one of my fav vids of your recent content

Honestly, this is my favorite video of yours! Looking forward to some more in the future!

I enjoyed this video. Do more. Thank you

i like this video format :) more of this please

Keen for more please Alex, top tier content.

My philosophical hot take is: “Forgiveness is not needed to move on from the past but acceptance is.” I say this because when I was in group therapy the constant notion of “forgiveness” kept coming up and that being the end goal to move on from trauma. For me and to this day I find this a silly concept. To me when you forgive someone it means “what you did wasn’t a big deal and it’s okay” and I believe their are certain actions that people can do that don’t warrant forgiveness. For me I feel like acceptance is better than forgiveness. I accept that this situation has happened and can move beyond it but your actions can’t be forgiven. And I feel like not forgiving someone doesn’t mean you can’t move on from the situation as I feel forgiveness really only makes the person who was wrong feel better. But when you accept a situation for what it is and what happened you can feel better because now you can work on moving beyond that situation and not have it limit you anymore.

@pogd740

5 ай бұрын

not a hot take

@rryuna

4 ай бұрын

@pogd740 every take in the world doesnt have to be a universally innovative society impacting thought to be a hottake

@strategicsage7694

4 ай бұрын

Interesting. I think this is kind of in 'definition of terms' territory. I definitely don't see forgiveness that way. I would say forgiveness is something that is most relevant when someone did something in fact is a big deal and not ok. If it wasn't a big deal, then it's almost - not quite, but almost - a case of why would the idea of forgiveness even come up, if it wasn't that serious? It's the very seriousness that makes it a matter that needs to be forgiven if the relationship is to be restored. I also am of the opinion that forgiving is at least as important for the person doing the forgiving as the person they are extending forgiveness to for whatever offense. Not to forgive is to retain bitterness, and add self-injury to the initial offense.

@Volkbrecht

4 ай бұрын

The idea of forgiveness probably stems from a time where we still needed to get along with people no matter their level of previous wrongdoing. In our day and age, where we can cut people out from our lives with little consequence it has become a somewhat abstract concept that nobody needs to implement if they don't want to. We'd have to look back to the old times, the bad times, where you had to care personally for your aging parents, no matter how abusive they were during your childhood, when "until death do us part" was meant quite literally, when wars weren't fought against foes from an ocean or two away, but the dividing line ran straight through the country. In such situations, where you are still required to care, to coexist, to engage in civilised activity with one another, it was necessary to forgive, to actively suppress whatever negativity you might justifiably feel and treaet the other person with kindness. Only in such a context would we figure out our attitude towards forgiveness.

@lucyandecember2843

3 ай бұрын

@@Volkbrecht o.o

Are we not gonna talk about the spiciness of that ground news read and its literally perfect timing and placement? Well done, sir. Well done.

I'm so glad I found this channel

this is great! i'd like more of these videos

Riveting as always Alex 🙌

I can imagine a lot of moral scenarios that are icky and one would rationally conclude that it isn't wrong. I am highly skeptical of moral emotivism being true

@Narko_Marko

7 ай бұрын

Its there because it helped us survive. People who liked incest got damaged babies and those babies couldnt reproduce thus their bloodline ends and we are left with people who dont like incest.

@tagliatelle

7 ай бұрын

​@@Narko_Marko having a reason for existing doesn't make it true

@a.i.l1074

7 ай бұрын

Agree. Some people find homosexual sex disgusting, most people find old people having sex disgusting. These are icky in the same way and sometimes to the same extent as the ickyness of incest. I think they're different

@a.i.l1074

7 ай бұрын

​@@Narko_Markowhat about homosexual incest?

@Narko_Marko

7 ай бұрын

@@tagliatelle i mean, if it exists, it exists thus making it true, i just tried to explain why i think it exists.

Hoping for a part 2

This was great! Would also love to hear you dive more into emotivism.

i actually didnt realize until now how often and how effective self-narrated dialogue is. I guess i've never used that method to make a point, but it is true that i have come across many texts and videos in which people use this form

I've never heard of emotional emotivism before, but as soon as I heard the explanation, it's something I've unknowingly agreed with. I do suspect there's a lot of cases where people form their moral values based around how it makes them feel, and I feel is especially prevalent in the sexual sense, whether it be for homosexuality or fetishes. It's nice to find out there's actually a philosophical argument for this.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

Of course morality is based on feelings and emotions. What else do humans have?

@ACFL69

7 ай бұрын

@@SchgurmTewehrsky daddy rules

@that_viewerguy

7 ай бұрын

@@ACFL69 lol

@rasmusn.e.m1064

7 ай бұрын

​@@SchgurmTewehr Exactly. At first glance, this position seems to me a bit like kicking the can down the road because it stops at emotions. Emotions are also a reaction, and I believe it is pretty commonly understood that emotions and rationality don't exclude each other. The anger at perceived unfairness, for instance, might be biologically dependent, but that doesn't stop it from being a rational position independently of that. This is just my hot take upon hearing it for the first time, though. I'll have to read into it more. Not every day I get introduced to a new ethical position.

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

@@ACFL69still Emotion.

14:30 Facepalm at Justin Briarley having his atheist character give the easy to defend intellectually honest answer "I don't know" only to change his mind to "From nowhere I guess." (a position held by very few if any serious cosmologists and philosophers) just to make them easier to argue against

@jaideepshekhar4621

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. That's a strawman if I have ever seen one.

@katrinaaverage-potato5828

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, I believe we exist from something, I just don’t think it matters or will affect me . If there is a god that created everything to be a specific way and wanted you to acknowledge him, surely he could make it that you were born knowing that/unable to do things against what he wants.

Great video! Would love another like this :)

As far as I have learned, there is no (rational) logically consistent argument against consensual incest that does not also curtail the freedom--that is, the bodily autonomy and personal responsibility--of others; if anyone thinks they know of one, then I would very much appreciate to hear it.

@jaideepshekhar4621

7 ай бұрын

True.

@ishubetterthanyou1582

7 ай бұрын

Ikr? We need more Hapsburg like dynasties around to rule. Products of incest, just like you! 🥺👉👈

@jamie594

5 ай бұрын

Grooming, that is it. You can’t have s*x with someone who raised you or was in your life since birth because the only way they would agree to it is if they wanted to do it from the beginning, that places you into a vulnerable position in which they can easily groom you into a s*xual relationship.

@jpraise6771

4 ай бұрын

Couldn't you make the same arguments for pedophilia, beastiality and all manners of debauchery though🤦‍♀️

@godlovesusall8115

3 ай бұрын

I too think it's fine. The most used argument of "the probability of disabled offspring" is pathetic, because what if we're just having fun? What if I'm not ovulating? What if I have my eggs frozen? I do not have a twin, by the way, but as a bissexual autossexual, if I had one, SMASH.

Alex, I'd like your take on the split brain experiments, a video which discussed it was recently recommended to me by the algorithm, and I'm interested on your take of its implications(presupposing an objective world of course and everything else).

Make this a series.

@sumthinwateva2863

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I have a crazy spicy take I'd love for Alex to tackle.

@echiko4932

7 ай бұрын

​@@sumthinwateva2863same, involving consent of the dead

Please make more of these videos!

Next time you should also make a KZread community post for this. I have some mildly spicy takes that would be interesting to see you react to

The libertarian free will joke was 10/10, made me literally laugh out loud when I was riding my bike home from work

@antoniusnies-komponistpian2172

7 ай бұрын

Lol I just realised it went over my head

As i understand it, forgiveness is more about letting go of the anger associated with having been wronged-- that is, its an entirely internal decision. For example, lets say someone cheats on you. Forgiveness doesnt necessarily mean not breaking up with them, it means no longer being angry with them. This definition also allows for forgiving people who are dead or otherwise unavailable for retribution (i.e. you dont know who they are). I think its easier to forgive someone who recognizes the error in their deeds, but it certainly isnt a prerequisite.

Please do more of these.

I appreciate the content warning at the start

I definitely enjoy this format, and I hope to see you more often interact with audience, because this is the only area that I think your public presence is insufficient.

Dan Mclellan's last video talked about an online lecture on the synthesis of the concept of hell. I don't recall who's presenting, but it's a "pay what you think" arrangement so anybody can listen to a scholar's explanation of how the modern concept of hell was invented.

Heavens! You're extra indian spicy with your comebacks and jabs in this video, Alex. Perfect form! Love seeing your witty side

Please do this every month!!!

Beauty is simultaneously a thing that cannot be explained, yet requires no explanation.

@jaideepshekhar4621

7 ай бұрын

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Simple.

@IKuzmos

4 ай бұрын

Damn I wanted to comment this, guess I'm unoriginal now​@@jaideepshekhar4621

16:00 would have liked to hear more on him being unsettled and his personal beliefs that leave him "unsettled"

Excellent video. Make more 😅

Any chance of you doing more like these? I kinda missed the entry for these takes.

I was today years old when I decided that if Alex ever writes a book, I’m gonna buy it

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

Today years old is a good age.

I recall there is an effect where, when raised with another human from a very young age, humans develop an instinctive barrier to being attracted to that other human

@echiko4932

7 ай бұрын

The childhood friend never wins.

@jaideepshekhar4621

7 ай бұрын

Ig they simply stop instinctively reacting to the other sex because they have been normalised to them.

The eucharist cannibalism take was proper good spicy 👍I'm going to suggest this from now on.

Super interesting format

When I was young, I found the thought of two men having sex "icky". Then I learned that it doesn't matter how I felt about it. I learned to just let people do what they like without judging, as long as it's harmless. Now, I'm profoundly puzzled by how many people have a problem extending this tolerance to the topic of incest. To me, it's the same concept. I don't have to relate, I don't have to cheer. But I have no business booing either. Why isn't it that simple?

@kevinnavarro402

7 ай бұрын

It absolutely should be a simple matter of liberal tolerance, but it gets even worse. Homosexuality has been legal in most developed countries for a long time now, but consanguinamory is still criminalized in much of the world, including the United Kingdom and most of the United States. Consanguinamorists deserve equal rights.

@LifeStrike2030

7 ай бұрын

Ew you two are literally defending rape, most often pedophelia. Incest is never consensual!

@turolretar

7 ай бұрын

can we take this concept further into adults having sexual relations with children? If there are truly no bounds, then surely that can’t be bad either. If there’s consent, of course.

@chimmichanga2167

7 ай бұрын

@@turolretarPersonally I would say children are unable to truly “consent” as they are mentally undeveloped

@jaideepshekhar4621

7 ай бұрын

@turolretar The problem is ofcourse, consent. Since you cannot feasibly take it on a case by case basis (which is another topic of discussion), you generally have to take a general rule (with allowance for exceptions) for it. That general rule is age of consent for that place. Most children definitely wouldn't qualify for consent.

8:50 I would say true forgiveness is more contingent on the actions of the person, not just the words. You can feel bad and be sorry without changing.

PLEASE do more!

Great video!

Got another Hot Take: Everything is One and always right the way it is in this moment. We fail to recognize this unity because of our tendency to identify ourselves with mental concepts which we then *think* we are. We do that using language which is inherently divisive and with preconceived notions. This alienates us from the "outside world" or rather ourselves since there is no true division to anything. Great video btw Alex!

@herrqwertz3567

7 ай бұрын

Interesting. Have you read "the power of now"?

@rorybessell8280

7 ай бұрын

So more or less Buddhist mindfulness teachings. Which I must say I agree on

@mwild3872

7 ай бұрын

@@rorybessell8280 yes definitely goes in that direction, although as in all big belief systems there is some "cultural noise" I would call it which kina messes with the core teaching. The interesting thing is to conceptually understand it is not that hard but to actually experience it on a daily basis is a whole other thing. But so worth it❤️

@mwild3872

7 ай бұрын

@@herrqwertz3567 yes, definitely shaped my world view big time! I can also recommend "A new Earth" by Tolle and the books/talks of Alan Watts! + if one is more into novels I highly recommend the peaceful warrior series by Dan Millman. They're all pointing in the same direction :)

@nicolasbarbosa8270

7 ай бұрын

Some hippie shit

Hot take/ critique: If incest is wrong because it‘s icky, according to your world view homophobia wasn‘t wrong, when homosexuality was generally seen as disgusting and wrong.(I am neither a homophobe nor am I interested in an incestious relationship, btw)

@jaideepshekhar4621

7 ай бұрын

Pretty obvious.

Yes - very much liked this video.

Cool video Alex

My hot take: Most people have little clue what they are actually saying or sometimes what they even mean, and this is largely because of our twisted relation to language (which we are mostly unaware of and unanalytic about, leading to sheepish adherence the linguistic structures and the ways in which they guide our thinking for better and for worse)

@turolretar

7 ай бұрын

eh

@pythondrink

5 ай бұрын

You're on to something. I actually agree with you.

@Minisynapse

5 ай бұрын

I could prove this but it takes time and real interactions between humans to show. Arguments between people are the most fruitful sources. Most people can go about their lives with no issues with this because language is meant to be useful (pragmatic), not a direct(!) reflection of reality. When we get to religion, philosophy and science, that's when things start to break down because we're trying to pinpoint reality with words. And people are super confident in the meaning of words/definitional accuracy, 99% of people don't even stop to think what the difference of denotation and connotation are, not to mention what it really means to denote anything with words or symbols @@pythondrink (notice how my use of "99%" was rhetorical, not literal...the amount of people who ever think about the difference between denotation and connotation might be way, way less....I'd include the first commenter into that group tbh but I could be wrong).

@redblue5140

5 ай бұрын

I've noticed this my entire life. People don't seem to understand what their words mean and how to properly communicate what they are thinking.

AlexOC, when I was in college, one of the philosophy teachers read alout to the class Descartes' reasoning, and it ended with "je doute, donc j'existe". A lot more believable than "je pense, donc je suis".

@fukpoeslaw3613

7 ай бұрын

Je fais quelque truc donc j'existe Ou Je sais que j'existe , je suis sûre que j'existe et j'ai raison Ou Bien-sûr j'existe , n'être pas stupide I'm just practicing my french and I think Descartes was right and I don't know why Alex seem to oppose him. Maybe Descartes should've formulated it better?

@cachinnation448

7 ай бұрын

Meh with the French

@fukpoeslaw3613

7 ай бұрын

@@cachinnation448 "Meh" , what does that mean?

@Thatsnotmyhandle

7 ай бұрын

@@fukpoeslaw3613not very good

@LarryThePhotoGuy

7 ай бұрын

@@fukpoeslaw3613 I think therefore I am. A. Implies that causality, as Descartes understood it, was really a thing. Ask a quantum physicist. B. The brain in a box idea that reality up to and including your existence could be created illusion. No there there. C. It implies that the true nature of reality is perceivable or understandable by looking in your head. Hm. Arguments about reality without actual observations to support premises are just that, arguments.

Love this video. Let's do more. I might give you some of my own hot takes

Please do this again. I missed it and I think I would have some "Last dab" level takes.

On the "Life is always worth living" argument, I suppose this argument could maybe be rephrased as "Suffering is better than not living", whatever not living then implies. I think it's an interesting argument, especially when taking your example of a man trapped in a box with the bare minimum of food ald water to survive, almost makes me think of Sissiphus

@jackkrell4238

7 ай бұрын

The arguement is still fundamntally flawed in my eyes and relies too heavily on the optimism bias and the pro-life position. The same illogical thinking leads to people seriously thining that bringing other organisms into this suffering filled world is worth it.

@washada

7 ай бұрын

‘’Not living’’ would include not being born, so we would have to conclude that being born, regardless of conditions and the suffering you’ll face, is automatically better than the alternative. I think we can all think of situations in which we would not want to be born, so I still don’t agree.

@nihilma

7 ай бұрын

Yeah you sentenced my thoughts better, but I'm trying to see if that exact argument can be made, if it is always preferable to experience things rather than not, regardless of how painful this existence is. Imo this could fall back on the philosophy of existentialism, as in existence is suffering in itself, but you can make a personnal sense out of this struggle, aka even pain is a valuable experience. Again, Sissiphus

@nihilma

7 ай бұрын

Politics aside, I'm just trying to see if, through existentialism mainly, an argument in favour of this statement could be made.

@julius43461

7 ай бұрын

@@nihilma My argument against suicide is that even if you off yourself, nature will recreate you and you will have to live again, and since you were dead, it will happen in an instant. Nature created you once, there is no reason it won't do so again eventually. Eternal return baby. Suicide is just a reset button.

Didn’t expect a battery of theological claims right off the bat… I don’t feel like they understood the assignment

@anainesgonzalez8868

7 ай бұрын

Yeah! I was some how dissappointed

@MrChristianDT

7 ай бұрын

Those people never do. They just write that stuff no matter where they end up online & get doubly annoying if they think the video content might somehow be ungodly, for whatever reason. A whole slew of such people seem to think philosophy that isn't grounded entirely in religion is just a trick to turn people against god, and is therefore the enemy.

8:18 Daaaaamn Alex 🤣 that was too good. I almost missed the wittiness in the response

Great presentation

I truly believe there is nothing wrong with sex between brothers and/or sisters if it doesn’t cause suffering

@SchgurmTewehr

7 ай бұрын

So no disfigured baby, no pregnancy problems, no family members who find out and no people who feel gross about it who have to find out or even think about it. Also I would question whether the underlying causes of the incestuous attraction have anything to do with suffering.

@anainesgonzalez8868

7 ай бұрын

@@SchgurmTewehr sex and reproduction is not the same thing

@mariatheresavonhabsburg

7 ай бұрын

So... Your initial comment is conditional? Reproduction is the natural result of sex, which can be avoided through various means.

@kevinnavarro402

7 ай бұрын

@@SchgurmTewehr You seriously think merely finding out or thinking about it to be equivalent to suffering? Now that’s spicy. Tell me, where was the suffering when Cleopatra’s parents inbreeded, had a normal pregnancy, and produced a widely admired, non-disfigured, female ruler of ancient Egypt? And nobody had any qualms with that fact either; it was part of their culture; even gods of their pantheon married consanguinamorously, inbreeded, and produced other gods therefrom. Of course, I’m not saying inbreeding is always healthy; even outbreeding isn’t always healthy; that’s what genetic counseling is for. Why should we criminalize consenting consanguinamorists?

@S.D.323

6 ай бұрын

@@SchgurmTewehr the first two are problems absolutely the second two however just dont really matter that much if you ask me you might as well say race mixing is wrong using that logic

Another take that people seem to want to fight me on: the purpose of ethical principles is to make you do things you aren't comfortable doing; therefore, if your ethical principles can't under any circumstances require anything that feels a bit icky of you, you don't have ethical principles, you have whims. This is why I see it as a feature, not a bug, that my ethical principles forbid cruel and unusual punishment even when cruelty feels justified (like against child abusers).

@CrystalLily1302

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I 100% agree, if the moral framework never pushes you to conclude that something that feels intuitively right/wrong is actually the contrary then your framework is just post-hocing your moral intuitions. That's why I will actually defend that incest is morally neutral if there is no child produced despite the fact that it is intuitively icky.

@jackbicknell4711

7 ай бұрын

Give me an example of something which feels intuitively wrong but is actually morally right.

@CrystalLily1302

7 ай бұрын

@@jackbicknell4711 I would say incest, and for less ambiguity there is no potential for children. I would argue that despite feeling quite icky this is completely morally neutral. There's also things like trying to rehabilitate people who have done horrible things which feels intuitively wrong to many people but I would argue is always the right thing to try to do.

@jackbicknell4711

7 ай бұрын

@@CrystalLily1302 Incest feels wrong because it is wrong - the chances of faulty genetic mutation increases with incest, making it evolutionarily beneficial to reproduce outside the family.

@jackbicknell4711

7 ай бұрын

@@CrystalLily1302 And rehabilitating criminals doesn't feel wrong to me.

Very enjoyable. 😊