Pann's Impenetrable Pelt can stack with Shield of Thorns, 46% physical resistance is quite a lot. And since there are 4 of them each, these two spells can be cast continuously. Maybe this is why he brings 4 beast caster.

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

this is actually what I did with this army while also using the debuffs from shadow and beast to make the enemy just fodder in melee

@Keln02

3 жыл бұрын

buff magic is too often underused...

@lucnederhof2107

3 жыл бұрын

That's definitely something Legend would have missed. It's kinda like the dwarf Thane & runesmith stack. I think it's definitely at least an 8.

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 agree, but I ran out of branchwraiths while swapping out the ones that went insane from chaos corruption and 4 was ok for amber spear snipes against some dwarven lords

@lucnederhof2107

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 I agree with this like 4 is probably more than you need but it still points out a good use for the lore of magic

So planting all those trees did more good than expected

@a.hollins8691

3 жыл бұрын

A staunch line of bark

Legend: "It's a dragon. Oh no" Legend: "Anyway"

"There are no second chances in the art of war. Corner camp wherever you deem it necessary." - Sun Tzu

Creator of this doomstack here to answer a few questions. When did I played this campaign? Back in December when the max cap for Branchwraiths was 13. Why Drycha didn't have the red line? Original idea was to fill the army with only Branchwraiths, but that didn't work due to their low health pool. Why beast magic? Pann's, Anraheir, Flock(really good here), Amber spear and extra winds regen. Why shadow magic? Pit of Shades / Dwellers combo, Pendulum is better for some situations, Withering to help with armor, Enfeebling for certain lords, Okkam's for more melee strength. Why life magic? Dwellers, Heals and Shield of Thorns. Actually went through the whole campaign with Drycha having some version of this stack and it really kicked off after getting around 6 Branchwraiths to a good level. That battle was about the only one I couldn't win with auto-resolve after turn 100-something Also as I have tried this fight with a 9/10 treeman doomstack and lost halfway through, I personally rate this stack as 9.5/10 at least even with the need of multiple forests

@sablesword6239

3 жыл бұрын

Treemen rely on their physical resistance to survive. Black Ark admirals give their entire armies magic attacks. Three armies of AP units that bypass most of their resistances is the worst possible thing to go up against with an army of treemen.

can we simply agree on: 19 level 40 Heroes are a doomstack?

@weslone6967

3 жыл бұрын

I know a certain KZreadr who would agree

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

can't agree... 19 Branchwraiths nearly died to an army 1/3 of the one in the video (this is my doomstack btw)

@wifidustcanon4635

3 жыл бұрын

Not all heros.

The red line skills aren’t important when he goes full heroes, so maybe this was his intention

@chosenofkhorne2951

3 жыл бұрын

The spooky army vs the false dark elves that are actually white

@JustSome462

3 жыл бұрын

Imo, Stand your Ground on Drycha would have been more useful than the buffs to her melee abilities, + 24 melee defence on a hero/single entities blob is way better than making Drycha a stronger fighter in melee

@LegendofTotalWar

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't go full heroes though. Melee buffs on drycha don't seem very useful.

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

The original idea was a full hero stack, but branchwraiths died too fast without their bigger cousins

@smittywerbenjaggermanjense5520

3 жыл бұрын

So in that case the best combination would be Drycha with red line, branchwaiths and a few treemen

Imagine Legend being a teacher and shouting WRONG!!!

@a.hollins8691

3 жыл бұрын

"Ugh! Wrong! Wrong! You idiot! You make me sick!" It's like being back in middle school.

@Assdafflabaff

3 жыл бұрын

Disaster Kitchen with Jeffdon Ramsend "YOU'VE RUINED THE BATTLE. WHY DID YOU RECRUIT THOSE SPEARMEN? HORRIBLE, START OVER! START THE GOD DAMN CAMPAIGN OVER!"

@anthonyhunkowski115

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Assdafflabaff you missed AH YA DONUT!

I found shield of thorns very efficient, you take less damage and deal more, and since it triggers the lore of life passive it isn't even that bad for healing compared to earth blood, since the passive does a lot of work when stacked like that. Also, redu Ing damage is better than healing if you can reach healcap

@a.hollins8691

3 жыл бұрын

I too use buffs/debuffs more than damage spells. When you stack them your units' stats can just get absurd, especially if you are buffing already powerful single entities. Damage spells are useful when the enemy is blobbed up, but I am just not very good at aiming them. Legend seems to almost always hit moving units with bombardments, I feel like I almost always miss. And vortex spells seem to either go the wrong way or go right into my own units. That, and they're so expensive. I can stack several buffs for less magic than a single vortex spell.

Thank you Legend. You work so diligently!

3:59 a pit of shades used on a group of shades, ha love it!

me: hmm maybe i should drycha... drycha: REEEEEEEEEEE!!!! me: never mind

Should’ve called them a doomstick

The Treeman drycha doomstack that works in all situations is the Cluster of radiants Life treeman lord with cluster of radiants branchwaiths for life and Shadow and rest treemans...thats all you need to one shot armies..in forest this is autopilot...probably the strongest doomstack in the game for me....and if you get the added technology of murder of sprites and poison...it is overkill

@aristotelsb8874

3 жыл бұрын

Lizardmen hero doomstack with pompous on stegadons and ancient stegadons with solar engines is more powerful, but the one you mentionee is definitely coming close

Trees: *speak* Black Ark: *fortunate son begins to play* Some folks are born made to wave the flag They're red, white and blue And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief" They point the cannon at you, Lord It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no senator's son, son It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no fortunate one Dark Elves: We are losing, but it smells like victory.

I love shadow magic, because vortex spell will pin enemies in one place, also pendulum i perfect agaist line in units.

The trees are screaming!

A mostly treeman stack would had not survived this, it having arround 80% heroes and a few treemen as backup made it better, score should be better than a full treeman stack, you can remove some points because of the capacity of heroes isused here a lot, but not because of the skillstree imo and not because of having different lores of magic considering he explained them here quite nicely.

Thanks a lot Mr Beast.

harder for our style to go with as many slow larges.. like magic variety nice.

It's the resplendent trait is why he has that selection of lore of magic it's a smaller passive arcane conduit

Dwellers below cannot be used on walls but pit of shades can. So there’s a very good reason to have shadow magic to make sieges easier.

Good timing just starten my first time wood elf campaign :D anyone else got some good cheese tips?

I think it's strange you focused in on the treemen so much. There's so many more branchwraiths I would've thought you'd look at them more. especially since they took WAY less damage than the treemen. Probably b/c of all of the missles focusing on the big targets. Like you've said b4, being small is an advantage as long as you aren't being stunlocked by heavier units.

Dark elf shadow magic is so delicious, pit of shades to pin enemy units and then you just slam down hard with your black ark !

wheres the opening click, Legend??

What was the enormous fire spell that was cast at around 4:05? I've never seen that one before!

The only good thing about beast magic is cancel casting and getting wild heart as a constant arcane conduit

that's a first for me

Is there a really good Doomstack for the Wood Elfs at all?

Every time I bring Coedil to a battle the AI seems to target him hard. Idk if he's just a little squishier than a buffed treeman or the AI prioritizes him.

Never been this early before

This pleases me

"WRONG!!! I mean, do whatever you want."

He should've built a full branchwraith stack to see how they perform, they had really beefed up stats

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

I did, it nearly died to a single black ark

@TheNightkunai

3 жыл бұрын

@@HekseriEMP If you have them, you should give all of them the Forest Spirit follower, for the -5 leadership in local region. You can basically do a pompous lizard stack with Wood elves with that. Drycha gives another -8 so your current stack would have -78 leadership in local province.

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheNightkunai didn't get enough of them to get there even with the full map completion

@TheNightkunai

3 жыл бұрын

@@HekseriEMP Yeah, I believe it's like 5% chance on killing captives, but you basically never need the leadership.

There one thing in the evaluation I don't really get. He goes on about how more treemen would be good for tanking, but weren't the branchwraiths actually more tanky? They hardly took any damamage while the treemen had to be healed constantly, so it seemed to me the treemen are were actually the weakness in the army. Am I missing something?

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

without the treemen the Branchwraiths die very fast due to their low health pool (tried the full Branchwraith stack and it didn't work at all)

Haha, Shades got hit by Pit of Shades

to be honest, 7/10 is a bit harsh. You did smash 3 end game DE armies without much trouble and with barely any micromanagement. while I totaly agree with your concerns raised, I think you have rated other armies higher that would have gotten crushed by this. Maybe give it a 8.5/10 or even a 9/10. I mean if you exchange like 10 branchwraiths for treeman it literaly is the 10/10 doomstack you would recommend right? 1 point deduction for lack of tankiness and less convenience and another 0.5 points gone for the missing resistance in drychas line seems more fair than 3 whole points gone. good video though, I enjoyed it!

@TheRedeemed117

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree

Early notification gang reporting.

I disagree on "dwellers below can do all that pit of shades does". No, they are not. Dwellers cant target units on the wall. And sometimes it is crucial. You can use awakening of the wood on a wall, though, but its effect is lesser than pit of shades. Also pendulum have different area of effect (and long one), so depending on how units stant (or how you make them stand) pendulum can actually do more. So, in general, i still pref to have both lores in my WE army. lore of beasts... is redundant. But it is actually quite good in beginning (where buffs this lore provide have higher impact) and also it is better to make low-tier army to deal with high tier. Especially in combination with lore of life. But yeah, it is too situational to make it worth hiring and leveling hero with this lore.

@Debilinside

3 жыл бұрын

It think the lore of the beast is there for the phys resistance buff so it can stack with the shield of thorns. If he had used the red line on Drycha the treemen would have gotten almost 80% phys resistance. Also I agree, pit of shades is a really good spell. With vampire counts you can have 2 vampire take out lvl 5 cities with full garrison. Send them on the wall, and just keep dropping pit of shades when 2-3 unit tries to fight you in melee. But beside being usable on the wall, its actually quite good holding spelll because it pulls in the entities, so they cant really run away. Also briefly stuns them because they fall at the start of the animation. Saved a lot of monsters and heroes with it, it most of time gives enough time to run away or re-position.

@TokarevArtyom

3 жыл бұрын

@@Debilinside And pit of shades can be stacked with dwellers that way (just like you stack brass orb with war lightning as warlock engineer), so i really like use this two in combo. AN dwhile i do use lore of shadow as VC, it does not stack as good as life + shadow do. Anyway, we were talking mostly about WE doomstack, so yeah. I don understand why lore of beasts being used, but i kinda agree, that it does not have much place in "doomstack". It applies better to low-mid tier armies, imo. I i would rather have more treemen there. But there is one thing lore of beasts have, that is actually good there no matter what - magic arrows. Sniping out lords that can shred your resistances can be pretty valuable.

@Debilinside

3 жыл бұрын

@@TokarevArtyom I think he prepared for the armor piercing dmg specifically. The only real weakness of the treeman stack is armor piercing missiles so if you can stack high enough phys. res. then you are good to go. Although maybe the magic is better used on dmg spell and healing, not sure about that.

Btw the reason why he got a pyrrhic victory is because of the summons.

46% extra phys resist on coedil maaaay have saved him from withdrawing.

Daryl Branchwraith

"But Legend..." "WRONG!"

But you can't cast dwellers on a wall, can you?

pyrrhic victory 9/10

i guess the beast magic can be used to make manticores, so you can go after flying units?

@aeth4190

3 жыл бұрын

It summons eagles I think

@christoffereilskov5006

3 жыл бұрын

@@aeth4190 oh yeah youre right - but my point still stands

@aeth4190

3 жыл бұрын

@@christoffereilskov5006 Not really, Eagles are pretty bad value imo. The only good thing they know is sweeping (Stoping attack just before hitting ground)

@christoffereilskov5006

3 жыл бұрын

@@aeth4190 oh i know, but that wasnt my point. my point was really only that if you are bringing beast magic in an army like this, the only real reason i could think of was fo getting at flying units. Specially if you are fighting dwarfs and they have gyrocopters with brimguns

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

beast magic in this stack (my stack) is for 5 reasons 1. pann's physical resistance buff 2. curse of anraheir 3. flock of doom (which works really well here) 4. extra winds regen 5. amber spear snipes

Drycha was leveled very bad-bad

Drycha a qt

IMO regular branchwraith is better for this doomstack as other armies can have spellsingers to cast magic.

Setting the difficulty to easy is also "effective"

The Beastmages are at least good for their Winds.

@honorguard7616

3 жыл бұрын

And buffing the stack to around 46% more physical resist

Zero losses, still phyrric victory? Strange rating

no views poggers

all these cheese tactics, but the cheese lord negates the ultimate cheese. Easy battle difficulty via the settings, its a 4d move here.

Imo, every stack should be rated against that dark elf army Also, this is a caster stack, so who cares about treemen? 8 points for 6 units? Meh.

@treatysensei1776

3 жыл бұрын

But those 6 units of treemen are tanking more than Drycha. Buffing 6 units instead of just 1, which isn't even targeted that much, is more useful imo.

The brits were corner camping in the battle of Agincourt and I bet the persians said the same about Leonidas in the battle of Thermopylae. It's perfectly viable and realistic to use terrain to your advantage.

Why he didn't use any of Coedril ability, this is insane and contra productive...Come on Legend...

@LegendofTotalWar

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't see any abilities that were very useful there. lots of of low impact abilities. better to not use them.

@HargenX

3 жыл бұрын

@@LegendofTotalWar thx for the response dude, maybe it's my noob side that always want to use everything...😂

Doomstack was built wrong, yes, but it's not a 7/10 by any means IMO, he needed actually LESS treemen (like 2 or 3 max) and then let the branchwraits smash everything, since they got such high melee attack that they can just shred single entities in 5 seconds whilst magic handles infantry blobs, that simples fix, again, in my view would make this virtually unbeatable since it got all bases covered.

@futonrevolution7671

3 жыл бұрын

I think his point was that it was weakening the 9 other armies. Without the red line, there probably shouldn't have been any Treemen at all; it'd have been a Decisive Victory without them.

i bet you receive a lot of mail and for now only 20 comments here so i ll try here first. so if you re interested i can send you a one man army file i tried recently. 100% fine swiss cheese. basicaly its archaon alone with sword of khaine and a good stuff, attacked by first one empire full but awful stack but with 2,5 decent dwarves stacks lead by ungrim and thorgrim then , a little dwarf stack then grombrindal with a full stack and dwarfs remains then repanse with a decent full stack. and its winnable i did it even if i used the 20 min tricks for the first one cause chasing all that with a foot lord only is a bit annoying.

lol WRONG! xD

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNO

Each to their own but why do people do full map completion? Does it not just get ridiculously boring after a while just painting the map with nobody able to stop you for hundreds of turns. My campaigns are usually more or less over by turn 100-130 as it just becomes trivial.

@peterelliott4922

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I tend to get bored at around the 120-160 mark of most campaigns....sucks because I’m still perfecting some armies and there’s barely anything worth trying them on

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

in this campaigns case I was at constant war with the strongest factions one after another after turn 80 or so. Then after beating everyone on the eastern continent all that was left were the dark elves. Might have been able to get the short victory at that point, but might as well go for the long one when that's all that's left

Jesus christ guys, chill with these Wood Elf doomstacks

@diablowarrior66

3 жыл бұрын

Eh, I like it. It’s a breath of fresh air.

@tristanitus9921

3 жыл бұрын

But the 4000 High Elf Hero stacks were OK

damn i'm early

not first

It must pain Drycha immensely to know that SHE is part of the Wood Elves faction.

@Indolthir

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine when you confederate her.

Nowadays every weird spam is called a doomstack 🤦🏻‍♂️

why would you ever reduce costs with the WE? You will swim in money anyway.

@YunoGasai-cj6us

3 жыл бұрын

WE economy is balanced around having a lot of stacking upkeep reducing effects. If you play on normal difficulty this results in a very strong income, since you only take a 2% upkeep penalty for each additional army. On very hard and legendary this upkeep penalty is 15% per army, which completly overpowers the upkeep reductions you can get, which makes WE poor as shit on those difficulties.

@Lost7one

3 жыл бұрын

@@YunoGasai-cj6us i thought it was based on razing settlements

@YunoGasai-cj6us

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lost7one Sure razing settlements is how you generate the bulk of your income. But before the WE rework the money you got for razing was around three to four times greater then afterwards. To make up for this nerf WE got a ton of upkeep reducing effects (technologies, landmarks, offices etc). On normal difficulty this works out as a net buff because you meake about a third of the income but pay your troops only around 20 - 25%. On very hard and legendary it is a completly crippling net nerf because even after stacking all possible upkeep reductions (including lord skills) you still pay your units more than 100%.

This "doomstack" seems totally pointless. Can people stop feeling proud of themselves for making hero doomstacks please? They're mostly super late game, weaken your other armies due to hero cap and are seriously lacking in imagination... "Oh look, I put a bunch of leveled up heroes in 1 army and it kills stuff, I'm so smort and creative! NOTICE ME LEGEND SEMPAI!!!!"

@HekseriEMP

3 жыл бұрын

actually this doomstack started working after getting around 6 Branchwraiths that weren't even immortal yet, but Legend doesn't take "incomplete" doomstacks into consideration