But I thought Tree Kin were terrible

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  • @BigPapaKaiser
    @BigPapaKaiser2 жыл бұрын

    It's a line of trees. They stand quite staunch. Spears are made from trees, therefore this is a staunch line of spears in a way.

  • @Musabre

    @Musabre

    2 жыл бұрын

    Proto-spears. :P

  • @MrBluman999

    @MrBluman999

    2 жыл бұрын

    Extra Thicc Spears

  • @hawke1017
    @hawke10172 жыл бұрын

    You know its an easy to use doomstack when legend actually decides to zoom in on the fighting

  • @inthepalemoonlyte9159
    @inthepalemoonlyte91592 жыл бұрын

    This is what the Lorax was trying to warn us about

  • @jacobfreeman5444

    @jacobfreeman5444

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am the Lorax and I speak for the trees! You better start listening before they break your knees!

  • @balthasargelt4075
    @balthasargelt40752 жыл бұрын

    Trees are the strongest living things in the TW WH universe and its a fact. Try a doomrocket, hellstorm rocket battery or a hellcannon. Nothing can kill trees. (Trust me I've tried)

  • @ahmadbakri9868

    @ahmadbakri9868

    2 жыл бұрын

    you got me in the first 99% not gonna lie

  • @fazalamin6379

    @fazalamin6379

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dark elves are pretty good tho, with the AP

  • @NotTheAbhi

    @NotTheAbhi

    2 жыл бұрын

    But is it stronger than the protecting Sigmar?

  • @Cyratrixxx

    @Cyratrixxx

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Yes..... nothing can kill trees......food food mighty rat..... prepare weapons team.....MUHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH YES YES YESSSSSSS

  • @TuanHoang-zy7of

    @TuanHoang-zy7of

    2 жыл бұрын

    My lord what about the Luminark?

  • @Nozdormu1982
    @Nozdormu19822 жыл бұрын

    So who was rooting for this doomstack?

  • @coaiemandushman1079

    @coaiemandushman1079

    2 жыл бұрын

    me, i enjoy going back to my roots playing as the woodelves

  • @varo2122

    @varo2122

    2 жыл бұрын

    I see where this is branching off to and I don't like it

  • @vivarc2

    @vivarc2

    2 жыл бұрын

    If the next person leaves it alone I would understand

  • @warthogvanguard7292

    @warthogvanguard7292

    2 жыл бұрын

    That joke was really wooden...

  • @SamGlaze

    @SamGlaze

    2 жыл бұрын

    Alright, you got a bark of laughter from me

  • @randaru1527
    @randaru15272 жыл бұрын

    Tree Kin were reworked with the WE update. They used to be just expensive chaf, but now they actually do damage just like other low entity count monsters.

  • @victuz

    @victuz

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's awesome!

  • @gauthel
    @gauthel2 жыл бұрын

    That's my Woodstack here. [Pasted from other comment] Well I somewhat understand Legends frustration with SoK. I picked it up only because HElfs were throwing it my way few times already and decided 'ah heck its just thirsting, what harm can it be' and forgot I can't unequip it afterwards. Which is a bummer since I wanted to test treekin more than Durthu. I asked him specifically not to use it in battle to prove the point that this stack can dominate with little help from heroes. Also I usually spread them out a little bit wider that's why I use 2 Dryads with Resplendence.

  • @baudsp

    @baudsp

    2 жыл бұрын

    that woodstack is a hard one, for sure

  • @roflandandreev1554

    @roflandandreev1554

    2 жыл бұрын

    that works really well. Great job!

  • @0786RICARDO

    @0786RICARDO

    2 жыл бұрын

    As long as it is not dominating.

  • @MrHellboy112

    @MrHellboy112

    2 жыл бұрын

    You've made legend impressed, i would put it in CV if i were you. Gz

  • @fotisa1

    @fotisa1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@0786RICARDO i'm sorry my friend but if i reach turn 118 and i'm not dominating and killing everything in my path either im doing something wrong or the game im playing sucks... That's my take on it. And generally in ANY game, if im not dominating anything and everything in the END GAME then the same principle applies either i'm doing something wrong or the game sucks.

  • @Rafalskimi
    @Rafalskimi2 жыл бұрын

    23:58 That's actually wrong. ALL Branchwraiths and Wood Elf mages have Arcane Conduit-like effect when they're in a forest. That trait is called Cluster of Radians and provides an Arcane Conduit-like effect regardless of the terrain.

  • @Louiseholm

    @Louiseholm

    2 жыл бұрын

    @furriesfuckanimals weebsanimetrash wtf lol, you realise the irony of your own name right?

  • @chucklenuts_

    @chucklenuts_

    2 жыл бұрын

    @furriesfuckanimals weebsanimetrash were you frozen in 2006 and recently unthawed? who the fuck says 'pr0nz' anymore?

  • @0786RICARDO

    @0786RICARDO

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm seriously leaning towards giving WE a chance. If they're such powerful spell caster, at least they ought to be fun. Guess you can roll with cheap stacks and rely on magic.

  • @Muck006

    @Muck006

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@0786RICARDO One of the most CRITICAL things is the amber-research AND their "court jobs" ... and they can turn your campaign / armies from one style to another. You can boost the usual archery stuff and go the "shooty elveses" path or have units and/or heroes with "damage aura" ... or - in the case of Drycha - have CHEAP wild animals (basically cavalry) with 20% Physical Resistance to strike at the enemy's back. Some "court position" reduces the mana cost for Flock of Doom to 2 mana ... which is basically nothing ... and there are other such versions for other schools of magic. tl;dr Give them a try, but dont play each of them the same way ... they are all considerably different. [Orion is the bland one.]

  • @0786RICARDO

    @0786RICARDO

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Muck006 I was planning on playing sisters

  • @windextor4569
    @windextor45692 жыл бұрын

    “Sit back here a little bit so their archers will just shoot a load of trees” They’ll shoot loads of trees either way.

  • @voodoodummie
    @voodoodummie2 жыл бұрын

    also, I think that abducting captives does work on this stack but not the treeman stack as single entities, so it can be less prone to be grinded down in foreign territory.

  • @azpont7275

    @azpont7275

    2 жыл бұрын

    You mainly use magic, and the fact that you can have probably the most reserves with woodelves to heal.

  • @InahaFrost

    @InahaFrost

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I'd value life magic on single entities much higher than captive replenishment

  • @Shero1337
    @Shero13372 жыл бұрын

    5:42 Skip to when Legend stops ranting about the sword of Kaine

  • @theStamax
    @theStamax2 жыл бұрын

    Army is missing a glade captain for dance of loec and campaign movement range (can also be used to melee snipe units on an eagle) Edit: I also wanna mention that this doomstack being recruitable at t3 is the real strength of it. You can rush to t3 and then use it for a long time (theoretically all the way, but you are better off with treemen at some point).

  • @toggle3927

    @toggle3927

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yea a slight error on the sender's part, once exhaustion sets in tree kin literally don't die if you remember to heal them once a minute because their resists and melee defense are so high.

  • @Arkanic

    @Arkanic

    2 жыл бұрын

    Replacing the spellsinger with one would be better for sure, you lose an arcane conduit but you should have that on Durthu. Besides it's not like stacking winds is hard for them now anyway.

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Arkanic Spell singer is there for the Shields of Thorns - to have a 100% uptime. Some treekin definitely can be replaced with a glade captain or two, but is not necessary.

  • @Lost7one

    @Lost7one

    2 жыл бұрын

    glade captains are not needed, would not make any difference here.

  • @theStamax

    @theStamax

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Lost7one it would make the army stronger though. Not only in combat but also strategically. 2 branchwraiths on the other hand are a complete overkill. This army is far from optimized

  • @Niscimble
    @Niscimble2 жыл бұрын

    I'm surprised you didn't make a "I've got wood" pun considering your relationship with manscaped

  • @Mergny666
    @Mergny6662 жыл бұрын

    Wait you can have heroic victory with an auto resolve ? Didn't know, I should consider make more doom stack ...

  • @Debilinside

    @Debilinside

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, dwars with a bugman ranger stack can get it pretty easily against most enemies.

  • @Vasiliy_Nikulin

    @Vasiliy_Nikulin

    2 жыл бұрын

    That tends to happen often if you have a lot of high level lords/heroes participate in battle. Or those that have a massive autoresolve bonuses (e.g. Dwarven LLs). Got quite a few heroic victories by having Thorek solo autoresolve a basic vampire revolt upon its spawn.

  • @Mergny666

    @Mergny666

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Debilinside I mostly have played the Empire in campaign, so dwarf it will be thx, i take notes !

  • @TheRotbringer
    @TheRotbringer2 жыл бұрын

    I’m currently doing a sisters campaign on vortex. It’s actually quite a bit of fun. I’ve been finding that any of the lords that don’t have the vortex objective to have really fun campaigns.

  • @cyborgrhinofromspace1108
    @cyborgrhinofromspace11082 жыл бұрын

    I always enjoy seeing doomstacks that surprise you. Great vid.

  • @TheRhysStreams
    @TheRhysStreams2 жыл бұрын

    Honestly I think it's probably 10/10. The lower cost and faster recruit time on it make up for the Treeman difference in strength especially given how well they actually performed, tyrion was the only unit to kill any of them, and he's insane. If it hadn't had sword of Kaine, and we had durthu slap tyrion around it's highly unlikely we'd have lost any units, now granted it wasn't a super strong army we were fighting against, but, even in a stronger army, like say VS empire/dwarf gun heavy army, now all our units are much smaller than treemen (Why thorgrim 1man doomstack works better off mount), so it's harder to focus them down, and we can spread damage around better to regen better. And if we do lose any units they're much easier to replace than treemen, 1 turn rather than 3 means we can resupply on the move (same reason that dual wield shades are doomstack and greatswords are only A tier).

  • @KingfisherMC

    @KingfisherMC

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree other than Legend saying 10/10 is reserved for literally unkillable armies like a Pompous or Nurgles Foul Stench stacks. This is a 10/10 army but it can get killed, even if its super unlikely

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KingfisherMC Does he define treemen stacks as a 10/10? Cause considering campaign benefits this is definitely on par with Treemen, just different utilisation of magic.

  • @jimbob4447
    @jimbob44472 жыл бұрын

    I am the Lorax and I speak for the trees. The trees say; 'GTFO pointy ear Bois'.

  • @francisconunes9150
    @francisconunes91502 жыл бұрын

    Cool video idea would be the hardest doomstacks to do well with. Keep up the great videos.

  • @gavburger
    @gavburger2 жыл бұрын

    "This doomstack sucks". Me every time I try to use tomb scorpions as Tomb Kings. This one looks fun.

  • @tommyrogers4748
    @tommyrogers47482 жыл бұрын

    Haha like I said in one of your other videos treekin are amazing! Good job 👌

  • @trumble-dj5md
    @trumble-dj5md2 жыл бұрын

    I read the title of this video in Legend's viewer voice

  • @MisterFly1086
    @MisterFly10862 жыл бұрын

    even so you can heal tree man after battle to nearly full health back, you can opt after battle to reenforce your troops with tree kins. Tree mans wont benefit from this option.

  • @NegaDruid
    @NegaDruid2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you're actually getting over your biases, Legend.

  • @Fresh562
    @Fresh5622 жыл бұрын

    Autoresolve giving heroic victory is kinda strange

  • @Galdenberry_Lamphuck

    @Galdenberry_Lamphuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I've never seen that before

  • @jfgresham

    @jfgresham

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've seen it before a few times, most recently with Eltharion with mostly archers against some dark elves with several monsters and other things without much armor. If your units are relatively inexpensive/low tier but very well suited to destroying the army you're fighting (at least as recognized by the autoresolve) and if that army is a lot higher tier or more numerous, it can happen. I still ended up fighting the battle manually because auto was going to kill two of my archers. Having obscenely buffed tree kin sounds like a similar situation of an army punching well above its weight class.

  • @Musabre

    @Musabre

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is weird, as i figured autoresolve would always give its approximated result, i thought you had to earn a heroic victory by DEFYING autoresolve against the odds? Huh.

  • @Musabre

    @Musabre

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jfgresham This tracks. I find autoresolve tends to weight high defense high HP units (so monsters , most often) really high in autoresolve results, so no surprise to see a tree doomstack rolling. What i don't understand is why things like skaven assassin heroes get totally dunked on by the same system... Sneakiest-quiet is also most suicidal-reckless yes-yes? :-S

  • @gauthel

    @gauthel

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Musabre Oh how I love Assassin stacks :D they melt literally any isolated unit/monster/hero so damn quick.

  • @Son_of_Mandalore
    @Son_of_Mandalore2 жыл бұрын

    That was a great battle. How easy is that army to use!? WE are my favourite faction and need some love and it's good to see another capable doomstack. Thanks Legend

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu2 жыл бұрын

    Flock of Doom is still pretty good at 5 winds of magic cost and it only gets better from there. If you were low on magic, it would actually be better than Dweller's below in the treeman doomstack. But I suppose that's a non-issue issue since a good boy should be stocking those knowledge wizards.

  • @KingfisherMC

    @KingfisherMC

    2 жыл бұрын

    good for if your having terrible rng with the traits though, or until you have enough of them.

  • @MrRawrCEO
    @MrRawrCEO2 жыл бұрын

    Treemen are basically giants but better in every possible way. Treekin, under the right circumstances, are freakin linebackers. This stack right here is like the forgotten lovechild between trolls and ironbreakers. If properly protected they will nearly never die, and will dish out plenty in return regardless of offensive magical support. I feel like this is probably SLIGHTLY (very slightly) better than a treeman doomstack for Durthu, since it's cheaper and more easily replaceable. It's almost a 10/10 but it's dependence on forests definitely costs it that 0.5, so I agree wholeheartedly with your score.

  • @prettyokandy230

    @prettyokandy230

    2 жыл бұрын

    " forgotten lovechild between trolls and ironbreakers", now THAT'S a grudging...

  • @ggleplussuxx4787

    @ggleplussuxx4787

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is better than a treeman doomstack. There's no need to spam a unit twice the upkeep when there's no enemy strong enough to justify it, especially with hardcapped WE economy.

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ggleplussuxx4787 Yup - and they can get 10% ward save on all treeman lords, so you'll be sitting at 72% physical resistance and 90% missile resist just by spamming shield of thorns/Pann's Pelt.

  • @StefanOnTour
    @StefanOnTour2 жыл бұрын

    A tree that does flaming attacks... well well

  • @bndllama9067
    @bndllama90672 жыл бұрын

    That little explanation in the beginning of why Sword of Khaine is bad for Wood Elves, as brief as it was, gave me enough advice and encouragement to keep playing my wood elf campaign. I thought I was doing something wrong because you usually scoff at lowering upkeep cost but I had no choice with the elves and now I'm happy I made the correct choice. Also Hawk Rider Doomstack is busted.

  • @elite6657
    @elite66572 жыл бұрын

    Ahhh he finally figured it out. Defensive tree kin are pretty decent

  • @rumplstiltztinkerstein
    @rumplstiltztinkerstein2 жыл бұрын

    How about half the army tree kin and half treeman? The tree kin can work as "meat shields" for the treeman so they don't get surrounded by melee units. Treekin are also slightly more resistant, with less health. So they need less winds of magic to reach max health.

  • @dan576-b9f
    @dan576-b9f2 жыл бұрын

    Flock of doom feels like dwellers above

  • @dearberlin
    @dearberlin2 жыл бұрын

    Legend is starting to create a reality, in which doom stacks are important to people.

  • @theleninator5739
    @theleninator57392 жыл бұрын

    Okoii tree kin doomstack video

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man85492 жыл бұрын

    In game 3 this may become stronger than the treeman doom stack with the change to how single entities fight at lower health

  • @Limrasson
    @Limrasson2 жыл бұрын

    What's interesting is that the idea of doomstack to me means an army you don't have to manage at all. You can just A-Move and go get a sandvich.

  • @azeon562

    @azeon562

    2 жыл бұрын

    Doomstack in total war is more just an army that can handle any situation you'll encounter with the AI, not an AFK army. Very few armies are afk worthy in legendary difficulty. Can it beat strong armies 2-4v1? Can it siege in 1 turn? Is it immune to ambush fights? Can it deal with a monster spam army? If yes to most situations, then you've got a doomstack on your hands. While it's fun to rate doomstacks, technically there's a point where better doesn't really matter anymore. Can you make a stronger army than this treekin stack? Sure, but as it is this army can beat anything the AI throws at it already.

  • @edyburkay
    @edyburkay2 жыл бұрын

    You really dont need to do fullstack armies as woodelves. 1 Beast or Life magic treeman lord, 3 treeman, 1 glade captain, 1 murder of spites branchwraith of life or beast magic, 1 life spellsinger. 7 unit armies are performing pretty well while having alright economy.

  • @precious0_0

    @precious0_0

    2 жыл бұрын

    Have you heard of supply lines?

  • @edyburkay

    @edyburkay

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@precious0_0 LOL, if there is no supply lines, you can spamm all the 20 unit army you like. I am talking about legendary difficulty. having a 20 unit army suffer from % 90 supply line is crippled economy, while having 7 - 8 unit army same upkeep penalty, you will still have way more income.

  • @ggleplussuxx4787

    @ggleplussuxx4787

    2 жыл бұрын

    If the whole army is 4 times cheaper, you can still afford many more than you would've otherwise done. Having full armies is overkill when you can wreck any challenge with tiny armies of beefed up lords and heroes. You basically play DnD in a Total war. It also creates the benefit of AI underestimating your strength and throwing stacks piecemeal during their turn. And it's not just with wood elves. Some factions do it worse. Some, like WE and HE, seem to be designed for this. Who needs full stacks if a caster can get thousands of kills for a fraction of a cost? Why even recruit the rest of the army?

  • @azeon562

    @azeon562

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@edyburkay The point is you'll never get to -90% as WE if you recruit 20 stack armies. Strong but few armies vs weak but many armies. A 7 stack army with mostly strong heroes will do good against average armies, but it won't stand a chance against some of the nastier things the AI will occasionally throw at you. Likewise nothing is more annoying as the WE than feeling like you never have the armies to be everywhere you need them. Strategy seems alright, just a different playstyle. At the end of the day if it's working for you in legendary, it's an effective strat.

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@azeon562 But you're just overkilling at 20 units - 7 to 10 beefy units can take on practically any situation at a fraction of the cost of full armies. It's a matter of what army would you realistically need to defeat MOST scenarios - as that will provide you major boons on a campaign scale. Being able to field 3 armies more, that still can defeat most stacks (even 2 or 3 at a time) is very advantageous to the overall campaign - even if there's a small chance to lose a battle. Especially on Wood Elves who have 0 commitment to their outposts, you don't lose anything when you lose an outpost, and you can make emergency armies in 1 turn as you have infinite global recruiment slots.

  • @KingofGeo
    @KingofGeo2 жыл бұрын

    Better title "the high elves go into the forest to get wood"...

  • @Wolfspaule
    @Wolfspaule2 жыл бұрын

    I love Taurox one-man-doomstack, easy enough for me^^

  • @MrVlad12340
    @MrVlad123402 жыл бұрын

    Also why the hell is there always Alastar the White Lion in those doomstacks/disasters with high elves?

  • @BigPapaKaiser

    @BigPapaKaiser

    2 жыл бұрын

    He is a failure so he is drawn towards the ass end of an ass whooping.

  • @MrVlad12340
    @MrVlad123402 жыл бұрын

    Turns out they are treerific.

  • @gudboah4688
    @gudboah46882 жыл бұрын

    Tree kin are surprisingly good. Like holy hell they are incredibly defensive. Usually I use them as a front line while I use deep wood scouts and other ranged units pick away the rest.

  • @incelstar
    @incelstar2 жыл бұрын

    It's hard to get big armies to fight as woodelves without sword of khane

  • @StiveGuy
    @StiveGuy2 жыл бұрын

    Who is going to clean up all these dead elves off my hill. I'm not doing it. Durthu probably.

  • @SWtaervdesn
    @SWtaervdesn2 жыл бұрын

    I agree, the Banner of Eternal Flame shouldn't have been present in battle against the High Elves whom only resist fire than are vulnerable to it. I agree with an other user's suggestion to put a Glade Captain in the army for Dance of Loec for melee Defense is a must for Wood Elf melee armies. An other user suggested the Forest Spirit Spite "Annoyance of Netlings" debuffing enemy melee combat. "Murder of Spites" is a clear choice to clear regiments over time but might i reccommend "Muster of Malevolents". i suggest it less so for its damage and more so for it's vigor debuff, making characters easier to kill when they enter melee..

  • @SteveSimi
    @SteveSimi2 жыл бұрын

    I always thought Tree Kin where good they have great staying power

  • @Sokaku5
    @Sokaku52 жыл бұрын

    1:17 I prefer the term "strategically impaired"

  • @catsndogs98
    @catsndogs982 жыл бұрын

    Effectively fireproof even with regen lol

  • @nighthowk117
    @nighthowk1172 жыл бұрын

    same doomstack I used last campaign, but without the sword of kaine

  • @Ax_Dj0
    @Ax_Dj02 жыл бұрын

    Radiant trait provides greater arcane conduit everywhere, best trait for wood elves

  • @chongching6207

    @chongching6207

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nor really Its more of a mini arcane conduit in the forest

  • @AshenVictor

    @AshenVictor

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chongching6207 Cluster of Radiants is always active but it's quite a small effect, Blessing of the Ancients is the one that's active in trees. For a tree stack of any shade, using a Resplendance of Luminescants/Annoyants of Netlings pair is best though.

  • @Ax_Dj0

    @Ax_Dj0

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AshenVictor what does annoyants do? Can't remember

  • @AshenVictor

    @AshenVictor

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Ax_Dj0 It's the one that gives the enemy -5MA/-10%WS

  • @Ax_Dj0

    @Ax_Dj0

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AshenVictor thanks

  • @catsndogs98
    @catsndogs982 жыл бұрын

    MARCH OF THE ENTS

  • @realhumanbeing3599
    @realhumanbeing35992 жыл бұрын

    Janci's juggernauts

  • @Arwcwb
    @Arwcwb2 жыл бұрын

    Goddamnit MajorKill

  • @MrFatbard
    @MrFatbard2 жыл бұрын

    you would think as a total war game that they would have more units with fire arrows

  • @paulkersey3042
    @paulkersey30422 жыл бұрын

    I almost want to say they'd be better for earth bloods since there's more entities

  • @wiryx1
    @wiryx12 жыл бұрын

    it might be the best doomstack against skaven multiple armies I think

  • @Pieetrr
    @Pieetrr2 жыл бұрын

    where is my skyrim disaster dungeon

  • @josedasilva6885
    @josedasilva68852 жыл бұрын

    24:15 but this have 40m range. 2 to get all units?

  • @gauthel

    @gauthel

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's enough if you stack them like legend did. I usually spread them a bit wider. With this tight formation the debuff Trait would be better.

  • @pinguinn_
    @pinguinn_2 жыл бұрын

    Morning wood be like:

  • @eugeniafurman4968
    @eugeniafurman49682 жыл бұрын

    You pick up the sword of khaine when it's time for your campaign to fuck and you're not scared of the AI anymore. Heck diplomatic penalties.

  • @renejaensch8723
    @renejaensch87232 жыл бұрын

    I want to see the same fight on a desert map :)

  • @Big5ocks
    @Big5ocks2 жыл бұрын

    Instructions unclear: picked up the Sword of Khain :P

  • @alfredwotanson7971
    @alfredwotanson79712 жыл бұрын

    Wouldn't this be much cheaper than treemen?

  • @InvinciblKillerQueen
    @InvinciblKillerQueen2 жыл бұрын

    Now for the ultimate doomstack: all Zoats

  • @gauthel

    @gauthel

    2 жыл бұрын

    Working on it but it's weak, since there is not many skills or traits to boost them.

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gauthel They're also insanely expensive - aren't they more costly then dragons? And their magic abilities are kind of pointless either way. D: Maybe with a glamourweaver spellsinger, and spam apotheosis for 1 WoM to get 20% ward save on them?

  • @gauthel

    @gauthel

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheNightkunai yeah if I recall correctly Great Stags actually make better doomstacks than Zoats. Which is a shame since I like the turtle bois.

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gauthel Yeah it's pretty fun to combine stags with sisters of Thorn, as the shield of thorns synergises nicely with their already high resistance, and sisters of thorn are good at taking out lords and SEM's. Though it is insanely micro intensive to keep them alive :I

  • @gauthel

    @gauthel

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheNightkunai true. But also insanely fun since they can plow through weaker infantry so easily.

  • @Marmamartha
    @Marmamartha2 жыл бұрын

    The sword of daith is already a good wep for durthu

  • @chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208
    @chiefmasterofdeepwarrens32082 жыл бұрын

    >tree-kin *Janci screeches autistically in joy*

  • @unidentifiedbiomass4106
    @unidentifiedbiomass41062 жыл бұрын

    Lumberjack Tyrion

  • @georgispasov1612
    @georgispasov16122 жыл бұрын

    Oh, c'mon, man. It's 10/10. It's cheap, easy to replenish and beatng up everytning. What more could you possibly want?

  • @SilverforceX

    @SilverforceX

    2 жыл бұрын

    It would be 10/10 once he replaces the Branchwraith it Murder of Sprite trait, a mortis engine on that thing would have made beating that fight even faster.

  • @avengerXable
    @avengerXable2 жыл бұрын

    TeamTrees

  • @Harbringer231
    @Harbringer2312 жыл бұрын

    The SoK rant at the beginning was a bit overkill :/

  • @EgenSayak
    @EgenSayak2 жыл бұрын

    I'm preparing a skaven slaves doomstack. They die to almost everything. Pretty impressive. XD

  • @MrUsaOliver
    @MrUsaOliver2 жыл бұрын

    Are there any doomstack vs doomstack videos!?

  • @easytanksgaming3238
    @easytanksgaming32382 жыл бұрын

    Even Legend change his mind about various things - so u can too?)

  • @MsPysoul
    @MsPysoul2 жыл бұрын

    Treekin insta A tier doomstack with this video. Kappa

  • @porkchop4401
    @porkchop44012 жыл бұрын

    sword of kain... thats what you need to be cool i guess.

  • @gregoryshinn9805
    @gregoryshinn98052 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video

  • @lolthien
    @lolthien2 жыл бұрын

    @5:40 Battle starts

  • @ramirocuesta2165
    @ramirocuesta21652 жыл бұрын

    I Do like treekin, I don't like too much doomstacks so my armies often are composed of a treekin frontline and some waywatchers

  • @Nightmare_52
    @Nightmare_522 жыл бұрын

    22:45 anti luthor harkon trait

  • @Mactav3
    @Mactav32 жыл бұрын

    Tree Kins are tanky with high weapon strenght, but they lack in melee attack. Aside from buffing their defensive stats (put a Glade Captain with aoe MD aura in there!), buffing their melee attack can make this stack a lot better. However, none of the lores of magic available to wood elves feature an AoE MA buff...but Lore of Beasts has an AoE MD debuff, which is functionally the same as giving your units MA. So level Durthu's magic so he can spam Curse of Arnheir to make your Tree Kin slap more.

  • @gauthel

    @gauthel

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh the treekin had MA boosted very fine (60+ on lv7 and up) Would be a bit higher if I used branchwraiths small buff instead of big one since I gave Durthu the same one and they don't stack.

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    You can get +20 MA with 2 branchwraiths, so their melee attack is fine. Curse of Arnheir is pretty expensive, and would possibly get in the way of permanent shield of Thorns upkeep.

  • @TheNightkunai
    @TheNightkunai2 жыл бұрын

    Wood Elves rely on post-battle loot, and high-elves can be befriended with the sword of khaine through tech. Public order in the mid-late game is a non-issue. Every outpost provides PO to their regions - spellsingers (recruited at like level 12) can easily defeat rebel armies alone, and your tree settlements will usually hover around 0 in the mid-late game without armies around. Sword of Khaine also allows you to just run a lord and nothing else in the army - as even the normal lords can function as one man doomstacks (especially on the herald of Ariel). The upkeep cost is the biggest malus, but you can save money in the mid game with the sword due to not having to run 20/20 stacks - and you'll make absolutely butt-loads of money of sacking, which the only thing you'll be able to spend it on is armies. Usually - emergency armies will come out even if the threat they're fighting has enough force in it. Sword of khaine is fun to use - and the negatives are relatively minor for Wood Elves, so it's really a playstyle choice in their case - not a strict negative it is for a lot of other order factions. EDIT: in blob fights monstrous infantry don't get much worse when losing entities - your blob is limited by the size of your buffs, so you're at max entities fighting whilst more than half are just standing around. Double EDIT: 2 life mages means permanent upkeep on shield of thorns - the main thing making these stacks near invincible. Normally you would probably take the +25% magic resistance from Forge of Daith too - as that usually is your only real weakness, but it's pretty rare to fight a lot of high damage magic attacks.

  • @xiaopewpew
    @xiaopewpew2 жыл бұрын

    "pan"alise?

  • @Olav_Hansen
    @Olav_Hansen2 жыл бұрын

    I think keeping the flame banner on was your mistake legend. Banners can be activated and inactivated on a per battle basis.

  • @cyrusbao9371
    @cyrusbao93712 жыл бұрын

    Last time I was this early was last time I was this early

  • @Czarny97

    @Czarny97

    2 жыл бұрын

    lmao

  • @martenliam1322

    @martenliam1322

    2 жыл бұрын

    first time I'm this early

  • @greenshinigami5566

    @greenshinigami5566

    2 жыл бұрын

    Makes sense

  • @miguel7051
    @miguel70512 жыл бұрын

    How do you build that doomstack?

  • @jezinci16
    @jezinci162 жыл бұрын

    Tree kin were always good units

  • @neoneu5702
    @neoneu57022 жыл бұрын

    Does apotheosis not resurrect treekin?

  • @Muck006
    @Muck0062 жыл бұрын

    This video has the WRONG TITLE ... the correct one is: *Sword of Khaine - THE RANT* ... which is sadly necessary because people DO NOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES!

  • @joveninocando1386
    @joveninocando13862 жыл бұрын

    still waiting for lizardmen unit tier list

  • @curtisbrown547
    @curtisbrown5472 жыл бұрын

    Why not dry has faction??? Treemen get omega boosted in drycha's army

  • @gauthel

    @gauthel

    2 жыл бұрын

    Point of this doomstack was to create something with which you can pretty much go and make yourself a coffee during battle. This is thanks to regen for all wooden units that only Treesinger in Heralds of Ariel have.

  • @alexeyalexandrov7583
    @alexeyalexandrov75832 жыл бұрын

    I am slowly getting confused with these tests like "I am here to test Tree Kin that's why I won't use Dwellers Below". People create doomstacks which are meant first of all to be a good team (Legend's words btw). Why refusing using something if it's a part of DS? UPD: This stack misses Glade Captain - for movement range and MD AoE buff

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dweller's below is explicitly not part of the doomstack though. Sure it might be faster - but you need to upkeep magic to heal & have 100% uptime on shield of thorns. The Treekin deal enough damage by themselves - they need defensive support, not offensive support. Legend tends to use magic more offensively a lot of the time, due to it being much easier to cheese battles that way - but when your army is build around dealing damage and needs the defensive support, you'll see him switch to defensive magic too.

  • @alexeyalexandrov7583

    @alexeyalexandrov7583

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheNightkunai >they need defensive support, not offensive support This is arguable but ok. He had enough magic for everything, also while casting Dwellers below Ariel would trigger her passive +10% phisical resist mapwide Anyway for example in Horned Ones doomstack video Legend actually asked the guy to remove Saurus Scar veterans from the DS (the sender mentioned ti in comments) and then Legend in the video said "well, this doomstack is not great against monsters". Of course it's not great against monsters if Legend asked to remove anti-monster heroes. Doesn't make sense to me TBH

  • @TheNightkunai

    @TheNightkunai

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@alexeyalexandrov7583 That request for the horned ones video was a little odd, ngl. Doomstacks are often stronger when they are at least a little mixed arms, mostly through heroes and such. The army the treekin were fighting wasn't too hard - so even sitting idle would probably resulted in a close/decisive victory. With armies like this you want to keep up Shield of Thorns at all times - and keep your models topped off so they don't die to Single Entities. Ariel should just be spamming heals & shield of thorns, alternating the shield of thorns with the other life wizard. When fighting 3-4 strong armies you'll start running low on WoM regen, so you really can't be wasting it on damage in the later half of the fight.

  • @edyburkay
    @edyburkay2 жыл бұрын

    How about in the desert against a dino army, that is not that rare :)

  • @kizumimikoto4617
    @kizumimikoto46172 жыл бұрын

    Speed

  • @FirelordJade
    @FirelordJade2 жыл бұрын

    Next series : SFO doomstacks ;)

  • @KazeKoichi
    @KazeKoichi2 жыл бұрын

    But Legend, what if I play TITW as wood elves?

  • @Morbacounet
    @Morbacounet2 жыл бұрын

    556 kills ? HOW TF ?

  • @martinleininger2543
    @martinleininger25432 жыл бұрын

    prefered the old casting system, so boring to have to come back to your caracter for every ability

  • @KrecikBobasek
    @KrecikBobasek2 жыл бұрын

    just say its 9.5/10. sok was not needed at all

  • @khinzaw77

    @khinzaw77

    2 жыл бұрын

    He basically did though. He said the army was a 9.5/10 but specifically withdrew a point from the person's score for SOK. The army is still a 9.5/10. He wants to discourage people from sending in SOK armies, especially if picking it up is actively detrimental to your faction, because everything becomes a doomstack with it.

  • @KrecikBobasek

    @KrecikBobasek

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@khinzaw77 yea but if u dont want sok then just dont use it. Some ppls just pick it up for fun

  • @yigitaydoganify
    @yigitaydoganify2 жыл бұрын

    It seems to me that they were as terrible as dawn.

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