Hey Widge. Just watched this video. I'm genuinely impressed with what you've created. Your insights on the Pi 5 (at the beginning of its lifetime) are spot-on. Right now, I don't see a compelling reason to switch to the newer single board computer - your content keeps me well informed and satisfied with my current setup, shown on my channel. Great job!

I love your videos. Your voice is perfect for this sort of thing, and I really appreciate a preview of the sort of performance I can look forward to. I've had my Pi 5 since November but it's just sitting in the box until I can get a case with an integrated 3.5" HDD.

@widge

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, that's very kind of you. I haven't used my Pi5 much myself, just did a burst of early testing then left it alone for a while. I've recently set it up again since I just got an M2 attachment to use an SSD card, so I might do some more Pi5 videos soon.

Great video`s keep up the good work especially Raspberry Pi 5 :)

Found your videos on the Sinden Discord :). This is amazing, thanks Widge!

@widge

8 ай бұрын

Really glad you enjoy them. 😃

Cool video, I might get a pi 5. Nice knowing Time Crisis 1 and 2 are booting and TC1 is playable. It may not run at full speed, but the emulation is a lot better then the Arcade1Up

@widge

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! Hopefully a little overclock will straighten up TC1🤞

Well done bud. GameCube was definitely a mixed bag. It’s probably the video driver or some video / driver setting like you said since it’s more a game compatibility thing with FMV on Rogue Squadron for example, rather than an emulator thing. Good to see Saturn running full speed though, that’s good news. Wii ran great as well, Links training looked great, I also hope it’s not mouse controlled, we need absolute 💪 HOTD3 looked amazing at beginning with cut scenes and gameplay wasn’t bad. HOTD OC not good but hopeful. Good news is there’s a common link, it’s the same emulator - dolphin, so with optimized should work fine. TC2 is a let down, I agree OC will probably not make it work. 😂 I’m hoping to see CarnEvil and Killer Instinct at full speed. To close. One thing to consider is that even though optimizations have been made, the current version of the Sinden software still utilizes a chunk of the cpu and may have an effect on how some of the Lightgun games perform since the tests were with a mouse so follow up video needed 😁 Good job though, loved it!

@widge

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for all the input Wiggy. Looking forward to seeing what's in store!

I'm waiting to see if there are any revision boards, either improved specs or more suppoted os. If I could use an app like ventoy, and have multiple live boot linux images to try on a single flash drive, then install if desired, that would be great. I understand it's a hobby board, and not designes specifically for emulation.

I got a Pi5, wish I'd seen this video before. Wii is so laggy, any changes to settings that might improve performance?

A Pi 5 finally coming out gives me hope for a Pi Zero 3. I want something that's at least as good as Pi 4 in a tiny package

Nice, maybe with some more updates, GC and Wii will run well enough so people won't have to continue taking their dremels to the remaining Wii boards. Hopefully we'll be able to setup up the light guns with this sooner than later.

@widge

9 ай бұрын

Good to see you buddy. Yeah, hope it won't be too long.

can you try it with FBNeo and the Cave CV1000 Roms? That's what I care about the most, by far. These games run you $1000+ a pop.

What's funny about Killer Instinct Arcade Version and the difficulty of emulating it is, ppl think the faster the cpu/GPU the more likely you can play it. When actually it's cuz the processors are too fast. I used to run KI flawlessy on Mame back in like 2001 on a P2 with 4 gigs of some sort of slow ass ram. Then tried to emulate it later in life with a pc 1000x faster and it was impossible. I do know the Pi5 can emulate it but don't spend the money on a pi5 if your just trying to build a KI machine. You can get a cpu for like 9$ that can run it

The emulators and drivers are clearly not optimised for the Pi5 yet. I have one and for most tasks it's at least double the speed of the Pi4. I assume you had the heatsink and cooling fan installed, as all the Pi5s need active cooling otherwise they throttle in a couple of minutes.

@widge

8 ай бұрын

Yes, heatsink and fan installed. Exciting times are ahead as developers learn to take advantage of the Pi5's extra horsepower.

Check the controler settings, should be a button combo optoin for fast forward and rewind.

Sorry if it is a stupid question but did you do this with overlocking?

@widge

6 ай бұрын

No, these were raw tests with no overclocking or any other tweaking.

Would you suggest a pi5 vs a small pc for a diy arcade build?

@widge

7 ай бұрын

I don't have much experience of PC-based emulation, I've only really done emulation on the Raspberry Pi so I'm not qualified to judge between the two, but I might be able to offer some helpful insight at least. The raspberry Pi is really a low cost solution and its limitations are quite easy to find. Once the Pi5 emulation development reaches its plateau you'll see quite clearly where the line is drawn in terms of what you can emulate, and every Pi5 user will have the same capability and limits as you, so there will likely be a large community of support to draw info and experience from. If money is no object then a high-spec modern PC will outperform the PI5 hands down and you will have access to a much larger library of games, but the overall setup will be more varied and complex, and largely unique to your individual system. There are communities of support available, but at the end of the day, nobody will have exactly the same system as you, so any advice comes with the caveat "your mileage may vary". One of the things I love about the Pi is its small form factor and portability, a PC may not be as easy to transport, but for an arcade build I imagine it's not going to be travelling much so probably not a concern. Also, if there's a particular game you want to play and it's not possible o the Pi, then that's your decision made right there. if you only want to play classics that the Pi supports and don't expect a need to expand to newer territory then the Pi might be enough. I hope that's helpful.

so i have a pi5 and i wondering how to get retropie running on it.

@widge

7 ай бұрын

Hi Shawn. Once you've flashed an SD card with Raspbian (I recommend 64-bit Lite unless you need the desktop for some other things), you should then follow the instructions over at github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup to install RetroPie.

I got my Pi 5 the other week. I definitely feel we'll get better emulation on these games once emulators and RetroPie are adapted for it. It's still early days. I have a Pi 3 and skipped the Pi 4 and definitely couldn't even begin to get a game like Wind Waker running on that

@widge

7 ай бұрын

The capability jump from Pi3 to Pi4 was pretty huge I think. So far the step from 4 to 5 doesn't seem to be quite there yet, but I'm hopeful that with future optimisations that will change and we'll see better performance on those newer systems before long.

Awesome work, amazing saturn going so well. Can you also try sega model 2, sega model 3 and naomi 2 ?

@widge

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. I have a video of Star Wars Trilogy on Model 3 kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWetw9mte8q6lsY.html which runs really well. Since I made it I've found that some more demanding M3 games do have slowdown though. The only M2 game I've tried so far was Rail Chase 2 (using lr-mame 0.260), and it ran at about 35-40% speed. I also did a quick test of Naomi 2 and it runs ok but not great - I need to do some more testing, but my suspicion is that it might not run quite well enough consistently to be a great experience. I'll try to do a video on those if I get time and opportunity.

@josemoreira-

8 ай бұрын

@@widge awesome, will be waiting for those videos. if you could try virtua fighter 4 for naomi 2. thanks

So I’m wanting to get a pi 5 since it’ll be able to play game cube, ps2, psp and some wii. I have a 3B+. Thinking it is time to upgrade. Although 1 thing I’m wondering, I’d love to see how the same game on different consoles work 🤔 like if house of the undead 2 also struggles on sega or arcade or if that would be a good worn around. Similar with time crisis.

@widge

8 ай бұрын

I made a mistake in this video and referred to HotD1 as Hotd2... repeatedly 🤣 If you are referring to the actual HotD2, then the arcade version is identical to the Dreamcast one, they even run in the same emulator. The only difference being that the console version has extra game modes. As for HotD1, I'm unable to get the arcade version running as yet, as the Model 2 arcade system is hard to emulate. Time Crisis Arcade runs as you've seen here but is a bit slower than it should be, so the PS1 version is still the best option so far, but the arcade resolution is much better.

@kingdom13keeper

8 ай бұрын

@@widge well you did play 1 and 2+3 so it was bound to happen. An well I was just referring to how badly house of the dead 2-3 ran on Wii, if you would get better performance on GameCube or arcade or ps1 with the Pi5 🤔 or if it also has the same issue and it’s just the way the game might be coded.

Hey, did you get N64 games to work? I tried a lot of different cores but none worked for me.

@widge

8 ай бұрын

Sure did. I made a video showing some N64 games in action kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZX19srhrd9qYk8o.html . Check the description of that video for the likely solution to your problem.

@Jonas62089

8 ай бұрын

@@widge thank you so much!

Gamers on the PI4: “we want to play N64 Golden Eye fluently” PI 5: “look it’s fluent now” Gamers: “now we want Fzero GX fluently”

Saturn emulation looks promising

Good show case thanks for being honest and truthful. Saturn does run pretty good on the pi4 as well and dolphin if u use android 1:00 def agree. Haven’t seen anyone run carn evil

@widge

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. I'm actually uploading a Carnevil video now. Watch this space...

I am 80% done with an arcade cabinet build. I started out of the gate with plans to use PC, using Launchbox, since I didn't think the Pi 4 was powerful enough. After struggling with the extreme configuration required to get things right with PC emulation and Launchbox, I am going to pivot to using Pi now. So I am anxiously awaiting Retropie to support the new 5. Plus its a real PITA to do all the cooling/wiring, and power on difficulties you have with PC, that you dont with a Pi.

This guy rail shooters

@widge

7 ай бұрын

I love those lightgun games!

you kept saying House of the Dead 2 lol... played well though.

@widge

8 ай бұрын

Lol. I wondered how long it would be before I got the first comment about that, even though I acknowledged it in the description.😄

i am a pi 4 owner and have to say from what im seeing it isnt worth the buy for the pi 5. i know its early days yet for the emulation and it is pretty much dead on software os's etc atm. not worth the purchase with nothing there to use and emulation even after its optimized for pi 5 i just dont see it being the step above pi 4 that it should have been. im investing in a mini pc for my emulation and os needs. pi just isnt where its at.

@widge

7 ай бұрын

The Pi4 was an incredible leap over the Pi3, and I agree that, so far, the 5 isn't ahead as much as the 4. I hope that things improve as the software becomes optimised, but there's certainly no need to rush out and get a 5 just yet. Good luck with the PC, I hope it goes well. A Mini PC would certainly be more capable than any Pi, but the magic of the Pi has always been in it's low price-point. At the end of the day, it boils down to a choice on where you want to be on the cost:capability scale. If you want to emulate more modern systems and have the means to pay for it, then a PC is going to be where it's at. :)

I am sorry but you have to stop talking about Hz. The entire point of an emulator is that its scales the timelines involved for rendering, it operates with fractional timeslots where any form of Hz is just "when old displays used to refresh themselves and invoke an interrupt", not a fact (vbl interrupt is mostly turned off and is optional on modern emulators even). This fractional timeline is the same technique used in animations and trasitions on iPhone and Android, called "tweening". Where you basically define a goal (e.g 60 fps), then divide by the time it takes to draw a frame. It then spits out when the next frame will occur, dropping frames between. So please, for the love of god, stop talking about Hz when it comes to emulation. There is no Hz involved, just a fractional timeline. Also, did you change the buffering and rebuild from source? The code you are using is optimized for RPI4 in all likelyhood, and thus wont make use of the extra cashing, how it can layout code for JIT'ing and much, much more. These emulators will run just fine once the codebase has been given some work.

@widge

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comments @CypherDiaz. I appreciate your input. Hertz is a unit measurement of frequency in events per second, or how frequent a thing is relative to a second, or how many times a thing happens each second. That unit could be anything. In this case the unit is a frame drawn and is still widely used (and correctly so) to describe (among many things) framerate, which is a video animation frequency determined by the number of frames drawn per second. So I don't agree that the word is being used incorrectly in this context, but thank you for your explanation nonetheless. I'm happy to learn new things and I found your information to be very interesting. In some of the cases here we see some examples of games that are expecting to draw a certain amount of frames each second, and as they are unable to meet the expectation, they are drawing as many as they can and this results in apparently slower video. Some emulators can and do drop frames if they're unable to to keep up with the demand, and when that happens the outcome to the end user would be video that appears to run at the correct speed but is less smooth, flicky even. As what we see in some of the examples here is slower animation, rather than less smooth animation at the correct speed, then frame-dropping is either not happening or is ineffective. I'm sure you know more about it than I do, so I won't go on. I made this video almost 3 months ago and I'm sure I said that this was the out-of-the-box experience you could expect at that time with no tweaking/modifying, or something like that. So no, I didn't fork any repositories and alter the code to optimise the experience, that wasn't the purpose of the video. I have done a little of that behind the scenes in my spare time though, but I'm far from an expert so I won't be making any videos about such things unless I'm very confident about it. And if that were the case, then I'd be submitting Pull Requests to the relevant repos first. Since that time, some great progress has been made to the Pi5 experience and I'm looking forward to what else is to come as those more capable and knowledgeable than I am continue to develop their work further.

That's the Wii? Embarassing 90's graphics! Tomb Raider 1 level, or Resident Evil. I mean it's fine if you're a 90's game, couldn't help it. When did the Wii come out? Just got my Pi5 yesterday 4GB. So far, the only thing I've been able to enjoy was OpenArena. Currently in the middle of installing, lr flycast. Going to try Gamecube when it finishes. Gamecube already works for me on Pi4. Pi5 is a desert of software right now so don't buy, don't pay extra over retail. Can't do much with it, and nothings easy. Oh and my overclock is 2900/900 o_v_delta 50000, not pushing it or probing the limits.

@widge

8 ай бұрын

Yup, that's the wii. Came out during the Xbox360/PS3 era and was the only console of its generation to not support HD resolutions.

@sundhaug92

8 ай бұрын

Worth noting the Wii is basically a slightly upgraded Gamecube

You hate Nintendo because it's the same as reading a book? Lol what, stopped watching at that point

@widge

7 ай бұрын

hmm... not quite. I like reading books, but only when I want to read books. If I sit down to play a video game I don't want to have to sit through 20 minutes (or more) of unskippable text until Nintendo gives me permission to have the interactive experience I was quite reasonably expecting. This has historically been a common fault of Nintendo's and is is one of many reasons why I'm not a fan of theirs. That said, however, I do love the GameBoy. But that's about as far as I'd go.

@StarmenRock

6 ай бұрын

What kind of nintendo games are you playing, bro? Zelda?

Are we getting a compute module 5?

@widge

8 ай бұрын

I'm sure it will come in time.

@sundhaug92

8 ай бұрын

@@widgeYeah nothing has been announced but probably with time we'll see it and a 500