Oops, we have a few specs corrections for some of the SBCs. - le Potato has 100MBit Fast Ethernet, not GbE. - Renegade has up to 4GB of DDR4 - Orange Pi3 has 2x USB3.0 ports and 1x USB2.0 - N2+ has 4x USB3.0 and 1 micro USB OTG port. Our sincere apologies for the mistakes! We'll get the video fixed as soon as possible! Have you used any of these alternative Pis? If so, for what project? Raspberry Pi 4 Model B: geni.us/RH5vfB Banana PI M5: geni.us/KK6aB Odroid C4: my.geni.us/links#! Libre "Le Potato": geni.us/Qwsr Libre "Renegade": geni.us/qNGet Orange Pi 3 LTS: geni.us/Y1OlDj2 Odroid N2+: geni.us/2M12p Orange Pi 5: geni.us/t9bsNin Rock Pi 4C+: geni.us/iGwi Nano Pi M4B: geni.us/Csx8uW Seeed Mini Router: geni.us/3jAdA Seeed Studio LinkStar-H68K-0232 Router: geni.us/jzad Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.

@Dnoxl

Жыл бұрын

The odroid c4 link is wrong

@countryhumansandballs

Жыл бұрын

hi !

@dmacpher

Жыл бұрын

Where’s red shirt Jeff when you need him

@ant_corp2517

Жыл бұрын

when you forget to pin your comment

@STORMFIRE07

Жыл бұрын

Btw Linus, have you taken a look at the new RISC-V SBC from Si-Five? They have improved a LOT in the past couple of years to the point their latest SBCs beat the pi at similar price point

You guys really should have used a pie chart for all benchmarks. Lost opportunity.

@IsraelAgyemanPrempeh

Жыл бұрын

I’ll be back when your comment gets 3,143 likes

@smellymala3103

Жыл бұрын

I usually clap down hard on gallery suggestions as part of my trollish baiting repertoire, but today I am here to stand with and agree with my bro here. Also loving this spin on a circle A.

@platinumare

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you on this! Plus some actual pie to eat whilst listening to this video would round things out nicely!

@jepoytutut

Жыл бұрын

Pie chart is not applicable on a benchmark presentation. So that will not make sense. But yeah i get the joke.

@Traitorman.14.3

Жыл бұрын

Did you know that pie charts have been banned in a multitude of American companies, because it is considered “fat shaming” or at the very least “psychological torture”.

The advantage with Raspberry is their ecosystem and community support and other boards don't really come close to it. Unless other companies start giving proper ootb drivers for their SBCs, Pis are still the only way to go unfortunately

@gillo100

Жыл бұрын

This, was similar comment myself. While alternatives might be objectively better in themselves, there is so much to be said for a big enthusiastic community. Some alternatives are compatible enough that rasp pi community is still valid

@ConeJellos

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like the same argument that people would give for getting a Mac.

@germanruiz3570

Жыл бұрын

Dude it's just Debian wtf

@johnrolfe7436

Жыл бұрын

my guy you commented this 1 minute after the video posted

@james1234168

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. I did a bunch of research on these 3rd party 'clones' a few months back, and the biggest issue I found was forums that were littered with questions but no answers. Left little confidence that I would get my projects up and running stable without a huge amount of customization and learning of the kernel level stuff due to the lack of support when things go wrong

I remember being amazed when I first got a Raspberry Pi Zero running. The setup was effortless but what really shocked me was how capable the system was for a PC that only cost me £10 and could fit in a wallet. For just £10 and a few dongles I had a relatively capable desktop computer. Obviously it's not going to run modern games but you could still use it for word processing, running certain programs, and even using search engines (this one may not be possible now though). There was once a time when computers were the size of a small house and no more powerful than a modern calculator. Back then, the concept of full office contained within a computer the size of a pack of cigarettes would be beyond sci fi, it would be full on fantasy.

@viperrr6886

Жыл бұрын

Yea now there 140 bucks not that cool hmm

@hiddendrifts

Жыл бұрын

@@viperrr6886 pi zero 1.3 is still £5 but it's out of stock [and prolly will be for a while]

@hiddendrifts

Жыл бұрын

>full on fantasy the future is now, thanks to science

@laplongejunior

Жыл бұрын

@@hiddendrifts I'm wondering how lucky I am or how global is actually the global shortage I'm in Belgium and, if you were patient enough (a few months I would say), you were able to get most of the models from an approved reseller However, I agree that Pis *alone* are hard to get : most pis offered by the seller are part of a pack. Which is good if you want to start from scratch (and bad if you are a scalper and need to store stuff), but less funny if you already have spare cables and simply need an hardware upgrade

@hiddendrifts

Жыл бұрын

@@laplongejunior >are part of a pack i mean, spare parts are always nice to have, and you can just sell them if you really don't want them

It's also worth noting that the n2+ is the only one that includes an RTC clock, which is a very useful feature for industrial devices or embedded systems.

I wish you talked more about the software aspect of those pi alternatives. Unlike desktop computers, each SBC manufacturer has to provide their own Linux image (often with custom kernel patches), meaning that compared to RasPis there's often fewer OSes available, more compatibilities issues, and much fewer online resources available for troubleshooting. That's the main reason why Pis are still the most popular boards despite not having the best hardware offering.

@linuxguy1199

Жыл бұрын

Haha or roll your own DTBs

@urnoob5528

Жыл бұрын

other models can literally use windows because of x86 cpu

@TheDeveloperGuy

Жыл бұрын

Not just software aspects, I totally miss testing basic tasks. Synthetic benchmarks tell nothing about choppy KZread videos, performance bottlenecks (like a gigabit Ethernet controller put behind a 480 megabit USB 2.0 HUB IC) or overheating in no time. My friend tested a BananaPi router many-many years ago, and while being gigabit, the CPU could only handle 130 megabit WAN traffic because of PPPoE. Also I wouldn't be happy to have Android 9 in 2023. Android 14 beta just launched. Sincerely: an SBC enjoyer with BeagleBones, OragePis and every Raspberry Pi generation.

@autohmae

Жыл бұрын

A number of these can run regular Linux OSs though, it's not as bad as it used to be.

@GoodTofuFriday

Жыл бұрын

They are so incompatible with anything recent, and have so little real support that these alternatives are useless unless youre a senior linux dev.

"It has a slight CPU advantage over the 🍌" Well I should certainly hope so!

@wasitacatisaw83

Жыл бұрын

There's the Jeff Geerling comment I was expecting on this video... Just need Chris from Explaining Computers to complete the set 😁

@dobermanownerforlife3902

Жыл бұрын

Have you looked at other SBCs->ITX form factor? I still run FM2+ socket for my media server. I'm looking for options. I don't need much for a LAN distribution with no transcoding.

@JeffGeerling

Жыл бұрын

Lol some bot with a sexy profile picture literally copied and pasted my comment.

@dobermanownerforlife3902

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling must have been the banana emoji. That obviously was an invite. 🤣

@hellterminator

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling Yeah, they do that. Whenever you see one of the sexy bots saying something actually relevant to the video, it's copied from an older comment.

One of the great things about the Raspberry Pi is how well documented it is. You can find whatever information about it that you need fairly easily. I wonder how easy it would be to find solutions online to any problems you might encounter when working with alternatives.

@limemason

Жыл бұрын

RetroPie on the other hand...

@mickmoo

Жыл бұрын

Spot on

@shaunkilcourse8097

11 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s a good point

@alfredfabulous3640

11 ай бұрын

Exactly.....you hit the nail!!

@snoflahke6575

9 ай бұрын

I guess it's well documented because it attracts people who actually read the manual?

The dual 2.5gb router is a steal compared to what is usually out there. I imagined needing such a thing in future applications when 1gb+ becomes affordable 🍻

For folks that want more in-depth reviews of these SBC, Explaining Computers is a great channel. The guy does pretty extensive testing for comparison and has been at it for years.

@markivory7121

Жыл бұрын

He's an absolute legend!

@dieseIboy

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Sub'd

@mbsfaridi

Жыл бұрын

Will look him up, thanks!

@fake404

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely.. Chris always provides quality content

@Xianying-sp1mb

Жыл бұрын

I prefer ETAPrime

I'd love to see you guys try some projects with some of these to see how much or little trouble you run into without the full support of the raspberry pi community. Maybe boost the community around these alternative single board computers

@System0Error0Message

Жыл бұрын

not hard. most projects require your own coding and the rest is simply hardware compatibility. If GPIO is your goal and you know linux and python, then you are set. Also you need a minimum of 2GB of ram to compile python for arm with additional performance flags. In other words only things that are pi specific that unskilled people cant do, can be replicated on other SBCs given that they have USB, GPIO and other similar things. As long as the OS is debian based, drivers/hardware works in it, you are set.

@nathancrowe641

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, a shootout comparing the user-experience of the various RPi alternatives, as opposed to their raw technical specifications would be very interesting.

@zahialsalman

Жыл бұрын

@@System0Error0Message Well obviously it can be done, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who watches these videos and is only semi-skilled with Linux and Python. Personally, I'm willing to write a few programs, squish a few bugs, and so on, but if at the end of the day I can't figure out what I'm not doing right, then I just flushed my money and time down the toilet. Without someone putting a name to all the problems you face, it gets a lot harder to research solutions. I once had an old used laptop from 2008 or something (I think it was a Gateway m285-e) with a built in drawing tablet. It originally ran windows xp tablet edition, which I tried to install and all, but I couldn't because something about the whole process wasn't SATA compatible, but the motherboard only had a SATA port. I tried modifying the Windows iso with NTLite to integrate SATA drivers directly, but that didn't work. I also kept running into something about needing to install it with a floppy disk (Which is weird, because I know there are windows XP install discs), but somewhere online, someone said I could do it with a USB if I formatted it to FAT16 and limited the size. That didn't work. I installed Linux a couple of times on it, but I couldn't find support for the drawing tablet on any of the distros I tried, so I researched writing my own driver, and I don't remember why I stopped there. Maybe I lost interest, or no longer had time to sink into that project. My point is, some of us like to get our hands dirty, but want to know what we're getting into, and want to see what we'll get out of it, or heck, just think it'd be a fun video.

@FustFPV

8 ай бұрын

@@System0Error0Message Lets be real. 99% of linus viewers wouldnt know programming and if they do, they would be the type to wonder why their python script that uses win32api isnt working on their linux computer.

Good mention on the Orange Pi about the non standard and hard to get working GPIO pinout and insane power draw for a small board. I had these issues with Orange Pi 2 and SE and seems like years later they still exist. Great boards for the price, but poor software support to back them up. Tinkerboard, MangoPi and NanoPi are also worth looking at. I just looked up some of the boards that I have and realised that they are all going for at least 2-3 times the price than what I bought them for, so it's not just raspberry pi that shot up to astronomical prices.

@andres_pq

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. It would probably be worthwhile to make a video about mango pi

Perhaps for next comparison, even if you compare only the specs, I'd mention the power consumption. For SBCs it might be important. After all, the whole appeal of ARM processors was computation per Watt. Typically boards with larger RAM have higher power floor.

@filthyfrankblack4067

Жыл бұрын

Those RISC-V's are coming in hard. I am of the opinion that the power draw is mostly because of the addition of usb 3.0-3.1. If you where to take a look at the Orange pi one plus as compared to the orange pi 3 it the same cpu but requires less power.

@zhanucong4614

Жыл бұрын

​​@@filthyfrankblack4067 yeah anyone who knows anything about framework laptops is that removing usbs saves battery

We need more Raspberry Pi content, feel like it's great area that LTT hasn't explored.

@fedfer

Жыл бұрын

Then you might find this channel interesting youtube.com/@JeffGeerling

@c1ph3rpunk

Жыл бұрын

No, we don’t, we can’t get Pi’s.

@JoeMalovich

Жыл бұрын

Don't increase pi demand please.

@kidShibuya

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's content that is going to get millions of views...

@mirilondondrift

Жыл бұрын

@JoeMalovich@@c1ph3rpunk if the demand permanently increases so will the supply, and well get a bigger, more diverse market to choose from

Last i checked many of the things you can do with a Raspberry aren't as straightforward with these other sbc's. The problem was that Pi was so good that businesses started using it for their projects and made demand skyrocket and alongside it, prices.

@christopher480

Жыл бұрын

no the prices went up from ppl scalping them at the beginning of covid along with the chip shortage.

@johannoas1

Жыл бұрын

@@christopher480 yes but companies now are depending on pi's. Official rpi sellers are selling most products to companies and only a little portion to retail customers. Probably because companies pay more with a higher volume.

@John_C_J

Жыл бұрын

Is the foundation making a profit tho or is it just the resellers?

@gotoastal

Жыл бұрын

SCBs* no apostrophe

@another3997

Жыл бұрын

@@John_C_J Just the resellers.

depending on your usecase you can even buy an old version of those alternatives for even lower prices. I'm using an old BananaPi M1 for Home Assistant + Pi Hole and it runs just fine.

Thank you so very much for the detailed comparison and description. I would love to see the whole of the information tabulated for easy consumption if possible.

Having owned multiple Pis and alternatives, I'm of the opinion that for most IoT use cases, an older model Pi 3B is all you need. It works fine and hits that sweet spot of performance and power draw.

@magnusgreel275

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Of course, the older model Pis are all out of stock/costs hundreds of dollars now, so that conclusion doesn't help. Whereas the alternatives are at least able to be purchased.

@Nordlicht05

Жыл бұрын

@@magnusgreel275 my alternative for my usecase and broken pi was reactivate my very old core to duo pc. Way faster 😜

@magnusgreel275

Жыл бұрын

@@Nordlicht05 I did something similar with my old PC, but it's a hefty system which sucks up a lot of power. I'm thinking of getting a thin client second hand to serve the same purpose.

@Nordlicht05

Жыл бұрын

@@magnusgreel275 in my case it's not a 24/7 use. Than I would maybe search some low power thin clients. EDIT Not for 24/7 but if energy is a concern. But i underclocked my old Intel for that.

@lukasg4807

Жыл бұрын

@@magnusgreel275 so my pi zero and pi 2b from highschool are worth a lot now?

That's a nice comparison! It would be even better if it included evaluation of software support. While many companies churn out nice hardware, not all of them care for the software side, which can get users quite frustrated...

Frankly, the RPI situation has gotten so bad that for my projects I've switched to using the NUC 11 Essential boxes as my SBC of choice, as they come in at about the same full package price as the ARM based SBC while using x64 CPUs, giving me many more choices in what I can run on them. Those little Celerons even have big boy GPUs that will happily handle UHD H.265 with Dolby Vision or 4K120 via DisplayPort.

@filthyfrankblack4067

Жыл бұрын

I've heard alot about these from Eli the computer guy. Lots of people using these as severs. I see amazon using them a PA stations in the warehouses. They seem to pack a punch. I just got the odroid h2. If the NUC have better performance that the odroids then the SBC marker is about to be taken over.

Used thin clients or nucs can also be a great alternative and run a bigger variety of software or docker containers because of the 64bit intel plaftorm

@Obsidian762

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Used thin clients and mini desktops are the way to go.

BTW, refurbished mini PCs like the Dell Optiplex, HP EliteDesk or the Lenovo ThinkCentre devices are fantastic alternatives to SBCs if you want a (relatively) beefy PC to use as a Proxmox box, NAS, pfSense box, etc. Unless you plan to use the GPIO pins or need low power consumption, I'd say refurbished mini PCs are the best Raspberry Pi alternatives available right now (depending on what you intend to do with them)

@killer2600

Жыл бұрын

For anyone that wanted a raspPi as a cheap way to setup a media/NAS/home server, you get way more for the $$$ this way than paying these insane prices for the raspPi.

@1omerfaruk

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I'm disappointed that this has never been mentioned in the video. I bought a second-hand great condition hp t520 thin client for roughly 20 bucks plus 7 for the power adapter and added a 32 gb ssd for 5 dollars. and this machine is a beast for simple tasks like home assistant. with 6w max tdp, I cannot find a more reasonable deal in my country. I even managed to install and use win10 (roughly). the only downside is the size, t520 is relatively small for a thin client but cannot compete with pie in this regard. there are really powerful and low power mini-pc, thin client, nucs out there that can be harvested for a wide variety of tasks. my home media server is an hp 260 g2 with pentium 4405u+8 GB DDR4 that I bought for 95 dollars.

@iamvinku

Жыл бұрын

@@1omerfaruk to be fair, they did a video about these about a year ago but installed Windows on it which I think misses the point of using one of these old cheap machines. I think a sequel is needed featuring Proxmox and one of these old towers or mini PCs. The old video they did about this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rISh08Ste9ral9o.html

@pawelk.8325

Жыл бұрын

@@iamvinku I have a Proxmox cluster on HP T620Plus / 2*T630 running on it: TrueNAS, Zabbix, 4 linux instances, Windows 11 X-Lite (works fine as a virtual machine on T630)

Very informative video Linus, I'd love to see more of such videos on SBCs

Linus dont you think it's worth mentioning that although the hardware setup for some of these is comparable, software support for even the best competitor like the Orange Pi 5 is still maturing and in early stages. Things like audio and HDMi sometimes dont work without script patching

@OlegKorsak

Жыл бұрын

nobody cares, we use it mostly for kubernetes cluster. Would prefer SBC without all that desktop rubbish on the board

@irvinwilson3245

11 ай бұрын

@@OlegKorsak Sorry, dumb question and a month later but I've seen references to people building kubernetes clusters with SBCs but never figured out why or what for. Is there a common use case? Thank you!

@Apollo-iq1vx

11 ай бұрын

Orange Pi 5 is extremely good for emulating PS2 games if you flash Android on it. Absolute cheapest possible way to emulate PS2

The alternatives are missing a thing that makes the Raspberry Pi great for beginners: There are tons of flashable images, guides to follow and thus barely any advanced knowledge necessary. Sure there are boards that have better hardware. But then I have to dive deep to learn how to use it.

@LostieTrekieTechie

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but paying $129 to a scalper on Amazon is ridiculous and not worth it, the pi was supposed to be a 25£ computer.

@GreenCinco12Official

Жыл бұрын

@@LostieTrekieTechie It still is. You just don't buy from scalpers.

@Granolora

Жыл бұрын

@@icneo9738 he meant that that was the original plan, not what actually happened.

@MickeyMishra

Жыл бұрын

Bingo! If you want people to learn to tinker with these boards? You have to have some kind of development community. Just like with old Chrombooks, they are totally capable, but who's doing it?

@LostieTrekieTechie

Жыл бұрын

True, but it's a moot point if original Pis are unavailable, or only available at multiple times the list price.

Just a thing to keep in mind about the N2+: there were some issues reported of all USB ports suddenly failing (mine did too). If I recall correctly it had something to do with a power delivery component that had to be replaced. Quick edit: I still use the N2+ for its Android compatibility and I am currently using it for my own infotainment system in my car. To use any USB devices I opted to use the USB OTG connector (which does still work, thankfully).

@davidl1813

Жыл бұрын

I looked at doing the same. Did you find a GPS adapter that worked with the N2+ Android? I have a few Odroid boards and none seem to work with the GPS modules I have.

@larslego3638

Жыл бұрын

@@davidl1813 No I did not because I am using the GPS from my car

@lopezthegreat9121

6 ай бұрын

How much did it all cost ?

@larslego3638

6 ай бұрын

@@lopezthegreat9121 the Odroid was about €100 and the usb cables and adapters probably around €30, I also made some custom pcbs, ordered some more parts, etc. So I don’t really have an exact total.

Worth considering... If you don't need the GPIO and power draw / portability isn't as big a concern, old micro PCs are usually sufficient to run most things a Pi could. If you're looking for silent operation and such, look for Atom and Celeron based PCs. You can often find them for like $50, and they already have a case, storage, and power adapters included.

@MNbenMN

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the usb ports flaked out on my rPi that was running a print server, so I put debian on an atom netbook (in my parts bin for years due to messed up internal keyboard port) migrated my stuff over from the rPi via wifi before it finally died. The Atom works fine as a print server, although not quite as space efficient.

@Hollander040

Жыл бұрын

A pc draws way more power than an ARM does. What i do is i buy a chinese android TV box for 40 bucks and install armbian debian on it. It has local storage, sits already in a box and comes with the power adapter. Runs very task i want and cheaper than these boards..

@adreto2978

Жыл бұрын

@@Hollander040 genius lol

@thehoysauce

Жыл бұрын

Thin clients! Low power, common and used ones are cheap as.

@voidbyteyt

10 ай бұрын

my usb-c laptop still has 4gb ram, but its let down by the fact IT STILL USES CELERON

I’ve loved these rockchip and and amlogic boards for low level hacking, also RISC-V options coming to market. Should warn that one may become a bit of a collector of these. For the DIY folks, would like to see a video covering the ESPs, arduinos and alternatives.

@xurtis

Жыл бұрын

I’ve had a fair bit of pain getting OrangePi 4 LTS up and running. It’s worth noting that it’s much harder to get alternative builds of Linux or upstream OS installs working than others. Even with a fair bit of experience, you’re often out of luck if you want to install anything other than the images from the manufacturer.

Small correction: the pi 4 outputs 4k60 on one display, but only 4k30 when two are connected 😊

@Ryan_Carder

Жыл бұрын

Typical modern LTT video unfortunately. I feel like their quality has tanked quite noticeably as they crank up production to increase the quantity. It's not that it's done in bad faith, it's just it's almost becoming a regular occurrence. There's SO MANY in this video it's honestly embarrassing. I feel like they should remove the video at this point.

@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep

Жыл бұрын

@KameHameHaNurd I don't think it's THAT common but there are definitely a lot of editing errors here. What stood out to me was the Pi 4 specs saying "2.4/2.5" wifi. Confused me a lot until I realised they meant to say 2.4/5

@bobowon5450

Жыл бұрын

And let's be real, most apps aren't going to work at 60fps at 4k. You'd be lucky to move your mouse around at 60fps

@Ryan_Carder

Жыл бұрын

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep if you search through the comments, and even their own pinned one, there well over a dozen mistakes that aren't simple editing errors.

@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep

Жыл бұрын

@@Ryan_Carder I'm talking about in general not in this particular video

One thing I learned after using various rPi's over the years is that the specs often aren't "actual" specs. For instance, "4K 60" doesn't mean you will get to watch a 4K video with 60fps. It will down-throttle and resort to screen tearing if you *actually* try to use 4K. I'd rather them say "4K text only" or something. But that's $120 under the bridge (thanks r-Pi :) ). LTT, I suggest you use your new lab (whenever it's completed) to *actually* verify and rank these mini-pis. Can you run USB3 5gbps on ALL the ports? try it. I dont mean to retaliate against the manufacturer if they dont, but say "hey we found that it has 4x USB 3.0 ports, but you can only use ONE at full sustained 5gbps". Unfortunately specs these days don't really mean much until you spend the $ and find out what the real specifications are (thanks rpi :) ).

@cap_eath

Жыл бұрын

My experience with the Pi4 was the USB 3 had serious bandwidth issues if it was connected to a storage device. When the computer was accessing a USB 3 storage device, the keyboard and mouse became unresponsive. So I would agree with your comment. And 720p would sometimes cause the 4 to struggle so I wasn't sure what kind of 4K video it would play

@67shafar

Жыл бұрын

It really does have support for encoding/decoding video at those resolutions and frame rate using the onboard VPU. The catch is you have to install programs that are compiled targeting the onboard VPU. And some applications use different underlying libraries that may kr may not be compiled. Recently I had to manually recompile ffmpeg and underlying libraries on a Libre Renegade board to get it to process my survallence footage at the advertised rate. It was a pain, but it is smooth as butter now.

Thanks Linus! I’ve been building a Land Rover Defender infotainment system and want to use a Pi or alternative to run a car infotainment system on a custom touch sceeen ect ect. So much that can be done with these little PCs. Nice to know there’s alternatives!

I really dig this video --- because it's almost like the only content for SBCs are those incredibly deep, deep dives. I like those too, but I forget about the one I just watched as I watch the next one. They just all blur together. ALSO --- Good deal with doing some of the spendier units. Because the other thing with Pi4 was it was often what we used because it was the only game in town and we would have loved to have something more performant but the next step up was a BIG step up into something like a full-on small form factor PC.

Thanks for the good summary of the alternatives. I use the RPi a *lot* for various projects, from the usual home automation, to the less common R2D2 droid! I've managed to get hold of a couple of PI4 recently, and even some Pi Zero 2, but its good to have alternatives. I don't always need the processing power, but the form factor is the key. A lot of people talk about re-using thin clients or old laptops, but if you want something small, the Pi size can't really be beat. I've ordered a couple of Orange Pi3 to try out on some other projects.

Would love to see an updated version of "How's it like to work for linus" video, I think the answers are gonna be more diverse(and exciting) due to the new staffing.

@Jimmy_Jones

Жыл бұрын

Now it's more "what is it like to work for LTT?" Linus hasn't even met all the staff that work for him now.

@userknownunknown

Жыл бұрын

@@Jimmy_Jones Oh yeah, I meant to reference that video but now that the company is so much bigger, that definitely makes sense

I got interested in the GPIO and settled with 2 RPi 3B's that wasn't having a super price on eBay. Now I have a building phase and like the rabbit hole and the OS experience is a quality and didn't cause an unsolvable loop.

Switched to ESP32 for most projects. They are plentifully available and cheap. Bit the bullet and dived into C/C++ which wes hard at first but now feels natural. I am frequently surprised how versatile the ESP32 is!

@overPowerPenguin

Жыл бұрын

ESP32 is a different thing from a RPi Pi.

@filthyfrankblack4067

Жыл бұрын

Yeah C++ is the GOAT but it seems like it's ether javascript or python/micropython that is being taught these days. I was a stunch hater of python for the longest after the "upgrade" of python from 2.7 broke the esp32 libraries for arduino and linux in general but thing seems have been fixed now if you stay away from python2 libraries. It seems if anyone is going to use ML or any automation it will be with python so now I'm going to learn python. (Cries in unpopular languages)

@_nom_

Жыл бұрын

I use an ESP32-s2 for my 3d printer camera & power control as well as controlling my entire escooters lighting/indication system Gotta have a pi too though

@chisangamumba2961

Жыл бұрын

ESP32 is a microcontroller. It is NOT a Single Board Computer! 🤦‍♂️

@filthyfrankblack4067

Жыл бұрын

@@chisangamumba2961 What do you think a arm processor /risc-v processor is? What do you think is in the esp32 chip? If you think the esp32 is a microcontroller then explian to me how it can be a VNC client?

A lot of people are bringing up the better community support for the pi, which I agree with *if* you're the type to do a lot of hardware tinkering. However so many of the things that come up when you search for "easy raspberry pi projects" are things like retropie, some form of kodi media center, and pihole. All of those things are more than possible with just about any machine that can run a flavor of Linux and I wish more casual users were aware of that before going out and getting a pi 4. Emulators on the real pi aren't even that great. It was a novelty 10 years ago when there weren't many low power devices for that cheap to run mame or nes games, but hardware has come a long way to the point where, for the scalper prices of a pi, you can get a used pre-built desktop that will blow it out of the water. If you want something small like the pi then these alternatives are just as good or better in that regard.

@bitelaserkhalif

Жыл бұрын

Or broken laptops, or some x86 sbc if the intention is to make it like an arcade where constant electricity is available Heck, even I have too many computers and laptop that can replace Pi purposes. If you want gpio maybe hook it to arduino as well?

@TechyBen

Жыл бұрын

One problem I found was obsolete hardware/software. I had a TFT monitor that had hardware and software that was supported, but lost compatibility along the line of upgrades/updates. Which is fixable if one knows matrix transformations and coding... I know neither. :(

@johnkristian

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand a lot of the pi hype. It's great if you do a lot of HW tinkering like you say, and make your own IOT devices and things like that, and need a small, low power computer to use in that kinds of projects. But people are actually buying them because they saw a dumb youtuber saying "they are great for learning linux" or something like that..... You can do that on ANYTHING. A virtual machine (both local and cloud based) an old throw away computer (it will be faster than a pi), your phone, ANYTHING. There are a lot of "wasted pi's" because people are just flat out unintelligent. I've seen people buying them to run docker/containers on ... while having them beside a server rack full of servers and maybe a NAS or two that runs VM's allready (I'm looking at you, tech-youtubers). It's so insanely dumb.

@chadmasta5

Жыл бұрын

@@TechyBen I feel that. I had a project that used a pi zero and had gotten a little spi screen for it that did have pi support at one point but the software for it wouldn't compile because it was missing some stuff. I didn't know what it was missing or how it fix it so I basically abandoned the project.

@chadmasta5

Жыл бұрын

@@johnkristian I never got that either. If they were still cheap and it was your first one maybe but I learned a lot more about Linux trying it on my old laptop than I ever did using any of the pi's I've had over the years.

I would have loved to see pine64 offerings in this video. They have a huge assortment of sbc-s available, with a lot of ongoing development as well.

@jonahbranch5625

Жыл бұрын

True, however the barrier to entry for pine products is a little higher though. The software support is either bad or non existent. Cool hardware but if you're a beginner with Linux, other boards might be better

@cda32

Жыл бұрын

Those are even less available than a Raspberry Pi in most of the world.

@McDuglas13

Жыл бұрын

@@jonahbranch5625 They have a few mature ones as well, if you don't go with the latest / bleeding edge ones, they're pretty ok afaik.

@soul_maestro

Жыл бұрын

@@jonahbranch5625 Armbian runs fine on most if not all of them. that same OS is also a good Linux for most other pi alternatives.

@jonahbranch5625

Жыл бұрын

@@soul_maestro that's good to know

The Rock 5B might be a little over the price, but the 16GB version kinda feels like a desktop replacement of sorts, thanks to the RK3588 (almost same as the Orange Pi5). But with 2 PCIe ports, there is no compromise, you can have WiFi 6 and a Nvme drive! Also, the GPU on that chip is awesome. Support is not there fully yet for the RK3588,thats the downside. Also the Khadas products like the Edge 2 and the VIM4, although way over the price, are amazing SBCs. Glad this boards are getting more attention from LTT! Kudos!

@varianbohling251

Жыл бұрын

Khadas oowow firmware is the kind of innovation this market segment needs. They are a bit steep on price though.

@chisangamumba2961

Жыл бұрын

Get an an Intel NUC if you want real power.

@user-cg5xv4zz2b

8 ай бұрын

I looked at rasp pi prices and said - orange pi better and approx same price. I got Orange Pi 5 with 16GB ram. I bought fast micro sd cards and it is fast/fast/fastr. Yes, it is a desktop replacement. but Like said by Phozends - the sw is not bullet proof. I like linux with KDE, and it took a while to get something I like. - but it works well now. and there is a person who is releasing new versions of ubuntu about every 2 weeks. so it advances.

Linus saying "3 usb ports" whilst holding 4 fingers up made my day! great content, keep SBC content coming!

What you should do when purchasing these RasPI-alternative boards is checking the mainline Linux kernel support. If the chipset runs the mainline Linux kernel well, and if there's a complete device tree file for the board, then the chances are that there would be at least some usable Linux distros for the board. If there isn't, then you can build one by yourself (it's not as hard as it sounds, assuming that you are mostly sticking to the mainline kernel and the vanilla Debian rootfs). A few of them are actually more "open" than the original RasPi in that proprietary blobs are not required for booting. Most of them are not, though.

You can also use some of the no-name Android TV boxes (usually useless because no certification/hdr support) with the Amlogic S905 series soc's to boot armbian or similiar distro's over microSD, they come with everything you need out of the box, including stuff like IR and internal storage.

@bryangutierrez655

Жыл бұрын

It’s kinda fun figuring out how to get a no name amlogic android box to boot coreelec lol I remember soft bricking my box until I discovered the recovery button was only accessible if you opened the case up. Made the box 10 times more useful as a kodi machine

@atoo7yt490

Жыл бұрын

@@bryangutierrez655 never got gpu accel to work on my s905x "x96" box, otherwise itd be a great gray area/offline media viewer or a browsing machine (4x a53 is on some poverty spec chromebooks) or you can just leave it on with pihole and other stuff like a personal use server with barely any power draw and no noise

@zachdemand4508

Жыл бұрын

Inovato quadra is just that. It's a t95 mini tv box running armbian. It doesn't have gpio available but if all you need is usb it will work fine. Has comparable performance to a rpi3, for $35.

@FFXfever

Жыл бұрын

I agree that they are fantastic choice for low end computing devices, but be careful with trying to load Linux on them, sometimes, these boxes gets sabotaged deliberately to avoid people flashing new OS on them. I don't remember which companies did it, but the retro gaming community would probably have better documentation on it.

@gotoastal

Жыл бұрын

SoCs* distros* no need for apostrophes here

If portability and size isn't an issue there are some used cheap mini PC's you can find out there that can also be an alternative but everything depends on the needs, if I had to choose a Raspberry Pi SBC form factor, Banana Pi M5 or Orange Pi 5 are solid choices

I believe they are good choices, but it is noteworthy that the Raspberry PI community is very large it is more than a simple PC as it can be used in electronic projects. Having a great community helps a lot, because there are several tools (compatible program libraries, for example) and a lot of content to study.

@g3nov3s

Жыл бұрын

People keep repeating how amazing that Raspberry Pi community is, but I've found it very closed, toxic, entitled and cultish. I had to wait for a day until my account was approved, then a few hours more after I posted a topic with a short, simple but very specific question, only to receive the answer "use the search function", when I already searched everywhere and didn't find the answer to my question. So much for their "community"...

@a3d277

Жыл бұрын

@@g3nov3s I couldn't agree more. And as a ruby developer, difference is just huge. It's easy to get settings and software code for Pi, but to get help for particular problem, pain in the ass.

@jhoughjr1

9 ай бұрын

It’s not worthy no one in the community can get boards so where is the community?

I owned all models from Raspberry Pi as little self-hosted servers for some applications, from non critical web hosting to torrenting and hi-fi server, and more. And that was a bit much for such little machines though, so I finally upgraded to an ODroid H2+: it's worth to note that ODroid also makes x86 boards like that, with very small form factors. The architecture is better for performance and binary compatibility with precompiled software (although it's not too hard to run a lot of things on ARM on Linux nowadays). It's running continuously for more than a year and works a lot, and so far it's still going strong in its little corner of a room, and as a home server it's very capable as long as you don't need really high performance (I forgot about transcoding my video library to H.265 or enabling Plex transcoding too, for example).

The Jetson nano from NVIDIA is also a great option with a decent amount of support and a relatively active community

@Crazy___Ginger

Жыл бұрын

Yep! They really are a fantastic option if you can afford it. I have one that is running an Octopi 3D Print server, and I am going to soon add a webcam to it so it can run Spaghetti Detective to detect print failures.

@System0Error0Message

Жыл бұрын

way more expensive now, especially their newer SBCs, worse pricing than their GPUs. Also the jetson nano is still more expensive than the pi for less benefits. Thats why i dont have one.

My go to sbc has been the khadas edge 2. Its got 8 cores, gpu, and npu. Pretty much everything I need for my lane keep assist project for my car. Eventually ill be afding other features such as lane switching and maybe even being able to take an exit.

Great alternative analysis! Thanks! I only missed a power consumption comparison, for those who are thinking about a mobile project (like robots).

I remember buying the original Orange Pi 3 months before the Raspberry Pi 4 came out and it blew the Raspberry Pi 3 away with it's much better performance, four USB 3.0 ports (the LTS version removed two of them) and built-in storage (more reliable than micro SD), it was perfect for making a low energy consumption NAS which was the reason I bought it. I'm impressed to see it still has decent performance against the current gen RPi. Also, massive kudos to the Armbian Linux distro developers that do a great job on providing an up to date and well maintained Ubuntu/Debian distro for the vast majority of RPi alternatives. I was hoping to see that project mentioned in the video.

When the prices spiked, I actually jumped ship on the entire ARM market and picked up a refurbed Lenovo Thinkcentre. The M600 style systems can be had for around $85 - $150 depending on how high of specs you want. And they come with the original Windows License. Not a true replacement but a valid option depending on your needs.

@another3997

Жыл бұрын

If you want a 'traditional desktop' computer for productivity, gaming and emulation, then those small form factor PCs are great, along with full sized desktops and many laptops. The Pi was never really designed as a realistic replacement for those. Though it could probably fulfill some people's basic needs, a Pi wouldn't be most people's first choice. The Pi's strengths lie elsewhere.

@Plain--Jane

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate this comment - I poked around and saw a decent Chromebook for a stupidly cheap price, and all my project needs is a laptop as a base for a linux distro - this is perfect and doesn't require me to worry about a display and stuff, thanks! Don't know why I didn't consider refurbished gear

@zackkertzman7709

Жыл бұрын

They have some newer fanless units out now that have have more modern x86 processors (celeron, atom, maybe a lower end i3 or Ryzen). Much better comparability and performance than a raspberry pi, but still relatively power efficient - maybe 15-20W when maxed out (which can be tuned up/down in the bios). They're a little more expensive than the old sff mini pc's typically available on e-bay, but that comes with much lower power draw and modern creature comforts like nvme 3.0, 2.5g ethernet, usb-c, etc...

@Zerzayar

Жыл бұрын

The Fujitsu Futro series (especially S720 and S920) are also a good option. They start at 15,- € used in Europe. Fanless, sturdy, low power consumption. The S920 even has a PCIe x4 half height slot.

@pchasco

Жыл бұрын

This. If are just looking for a very small computer and not building a project that requires use of the HAT, and you can keep it plugged into the wall, then you are much better off buying a used ultra-small form factor PC, or a used i3 NUC. You’ll spend under $100 US, and it will blow any of these ARM SBCs out of the water in performance. Once you shell out for a case and power adapter you’re in for $100 at least with any of these SBC’s anyway.

Just bought an Orange Pi. Didn’t even know alternatives existed! Thank you for making this video!

Hope you do some walk throughs and in depths on installing os(s) on the alternatives. Installing Android on the Libre Potato was easy, getting it or any other OS on the Renegade I felt like I need to take an engineering course to make something work.

Sincerely disappointed you didn't talk about the software compatability for these. Very few of the MCUs on these boards have anywhere near mainline linux support like the RPi's, which tends to mean you're limited to the OEM's distro they chuck at you on some forum thread. And then after a year, abandon.

Great video, thanks!! Its hard to under estimate the impact of making SBCs easily accessible to consumers....from improvised oddities to powering peoples DIY prosthetic limbs? Definition of badass.

I bought one in 2015 specifically for kodi and they are great. You can pair them with remote control and voilà you have all streaming apps and programs you need.

How is it possible that so far nobody mentioned that cool catch Linus made at 6:14, without looking away from camera! No drops for this video (so far). 😄

We need Retropie to work with more of these, it's the main reason I want to use a Pi in the first place. When the other ones start doing this I'll buy them, especially the last few you talked about as the power is definitely there to make Retropie run like the devil.

@workshop94

Жыл бұрын

Ditto, and honestly they might as well launch the Pi 5 at this rate. I’d take any alternative that can run Retropie just as well. Or, you know…just make more Pi 4s 🥲

@BryanCantDance

Жыл бұрын

Or try an alternative OS like Batocera which I personally prefer over RetroPie anyways

@foxxyytofficial

Жыл бұрын

OrangePi does have a fork of RetroPie Its called RetrOrangePi

@dragon2knight

Жыл бұрын

@@ayoitsaya Didn't know about this, will give it a go, thanks!

@chrishahn3834

Жыл бұрын

@@BryanCantDance Second vote for Batocera. It runs on just about anything.

Excellent video. The SBC category is abused today costing hundreds of dollars for boards that don't even compete with fully designed laptops and desktops. The whole point of SBC popularity was useful tech for low prices. Low-cost emulation or even neat inventions like "super computers" and robots. I have some RPi 3's, 4's and Zero W's. Got them at the time of their lower prices thankfully.

@another3997

Жыл бұрын

The prices for R Pis will go back down. The Foundation has no control over third part resellers charging extortionate prices, and these scalpers are undoubtedly hurting the Foundation's reputation. The assumption being that the RPF are the ones charging silly prices, which is not the case. You CANNOT compare the Pi market to regular laptop and desktop markets... they're aiming at different audiences.

@vidagogo9829

Жыл бұрын

@@another3997 Did I say RPi prices in the hundreds? No. There are other SBC's costing insane prices.

@n0ahg1

Жыл бұрын

The issue with the price of the RPi is it's popularitly. Unfortunately, and I not agree with it, but Ebon supported supplying bussinesses before hobbyists...

@vidagogo9829

Жыл бұрын

@@RyTrapp0 You completely missed the point. Good job. The prices of new SBC's are draining the community out. Many are complaining of prices of SBC's (not just RPi) New high priced SBC's are what people are setting as standards for their prices, therefore never going back to MSRP (not that that's the only reason). And the comparison to other devices is a comparison of price for what you get. They are both computing devices that, while not for the same customers, use some of the same resources.

Funny to see the s95b as the sponsor, I ordered one yesterday 😀 1025€, never used but damaged box 🤞

I have a pi4 8GB and use it as a desktop PC for my shop in the basement. I recently upgraded to an Orange pi5 16GB with an onboard 256GB eMMC... and I gotta say it's quite a bit faster...the pi4 will always have a place in my heart! It's the OG of it all!

I'm pretty sure the reason the pi is such a powerhouse is its ecosystem documentation and knowing that something's going to install and for the most part not be a problem. It's community is very much robust something the competitors are lacking and for the most point price point.

@SpottedCreeper

Жыл бұрын

Precisely this ^^

@20035079

Жыл бұрын

That still does not justify pricing the boards at $150 each

@abx42

Жыл бұрын

@@20035079 and I completely agree with you I was merely talking before the component shortage begin. I have three of them myself so that's not really a concern. I'm still trying to figure it out when this will end.

@thewhitefalcon8539

Жыл бұрын

@@20035079 It does actually justify that! I see you are new to the ways of capitalism.

The main advantage of raspberry pi is their small form factor and their power efficiency so they can be attached to a battery or used in some Maker device. If you just want a cheap pc or a pi-hole, a used 2010 HP tower would be cheaper and 15 times faster.

@woofcaptain8212

Жыл бұрын

Electricity costs money tho, but that aside yeah

@Alias_Anybody

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, a potent, flexible and open Android machine would be pretty neat. All the stuff on the market is either something hilariously outdated from China with zero support, or lightning focussed on pushing you towards a specific media subscription and you have to jump through hoops to jailbreak.

The CB1 is a drop in replacement of the CM4 in that router. Other compute module alternatives would be a great update.

Great video. My understanding of Raspberry Pi alternatives is that whilst they may offer great hardware, the quality of the hardware drivers and OS support is nowhere near as good as that from the Raspberry Pi foundation.

I was looking for an sbc a month ago, decided to get an OrangePi5 as it seemed to be an easy choice and it is. It is fast, I got a cheap 256GB m.2 ssd for it and its been a great device. The only thing I wish it had was a decent case that I could buy from amazon or ali express (don't have a 3d printer), I got an acrylic one that does the job but it doesn't look good.

I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR SOME YESTERDAY!! Perfect timing!

Love the list of alternatives. I have been looking at pie for a while but not takin the plunge. Am looking for device to read and record 12 thermometer 40' 60'and 80'and 4 pressure reading 4 relays for switching. This is test a home project on tight budget. I don't want want Bluetooth or wireless so I like the one you showed with a dangle 😅 to physically disconnect network. What would you recommend and would you recommend other equipment as add on boards for the distance of temperature probes.

Orange Pi 5 and 4 LTS here. Go for the 5, as it's the only one to run Plex well with software decoding/encoding.

I really love your content, subbed for over 9 years, but i can't help but notice that a number of times what u say for the specs of a board isn't what is written in the pop up next to the board B-roll in the video, i am sure this is a simple mix-up, and i hope to keep watching your videos for the many years to come

Another thing that's kinda hard to deal with when you choose other than a raspberry pi, is the variety of choice for enclosures and large heatsinks.

@emkay1182

Жыл бұрын

Well there are plenty of 3d printing options for each of the listed boards. But yea, gotchur point

@System0Error0Message

Жыл бұрын

for mountings most of them are the same form factor as the pi, while some are partially compatible, as for heatsinks only full case ones wont work but the regular heatsink + adhesive pack works as you just need to cover the right chips.

@LazyJesse

Жыл бұрын

@@emkay1182 cause everybody has a (good) 3D printer, lol

@emkay1182

Жыл бұрын

@@LazyJesse There are very cheep printing services online (even on ebay) ;) Shouldnt cost more then a midclass pi case

@urnoob5528

Жыл бұрын

@@LazyJesse if u dont have a 3d printer then why r u buying them sbcs and then complaining not enough casings literally for most ppl doing diy projects, they will 3d print their own designs, these are also hobbyists that likes to customize for other people, why r u even buying it then complaining about not enough variety enclosure? just buy watever option is available, that will already suit u enough if u do diy projects and are a hobbyist, i d bet 3d printer is something u already have or are looking to buy, even if not now

I use the RPi for RISCOS 5.28, a beautiful Arm based opjerating system that has had a resurgence because of this SBC. If I wanted to use Linux, then any pc would do the trick. But, with the Pi I can run Tech writer 9 and Artworks 2, both amazing productivity tools.

For me, m.2 is the right way to go, thanks for the detailed analysis

I thankfully had a couple pi4’s and Pi0’s before the shortage began, but that linkstar H68K looks very intriguing for me. I may pick one of those up for a travel router.

There's some SBCs that make it easier to develop with FPGAs which if it's up your alley for development stuff, is super nice. But my favorite SBC is the BeagleBone Black. However, it's bad for anything media center related. It's best for robotics/electronics stuff. The PRUs can be used to offload most of the tasks you would expect the pi's CPU to handle, which tends to be way faster and higher efficiency when making a machine you're building do complex tasks.

@filthyfrankblack4067

Жыл бұрын

I seen the iceBreaker bitsy and now I got to wonder is everything going to be a super small raspi pico board that get the performance of the raspi0 using risc-v archutecture? I mean the pine 0x64 is already here and the esp32 and raspi pico are basically a microprocessors.

One alternative I am missing are thin clients. For example the Futro S740 can be bought for 40-50€ (refurbished) and offer way more processing power while still consuming only 5-15W. Only "drawback" are the missing I/O Pins

@filthyfrankblack4067

Жыл бұрын

Somebody is trying to get everyone on this Zima board thing. As far as I know it does not have GPIO's and that's where it falls short.

The most stunning thing about this video was the catch @ 6:13

It really depends on the application you're going for. Most emulation-centric operating systems have excellent support for the rockchip processors thanks to retro handhelds that also use them. Anything that can run debian or a derivative thereof can function as a pihole, pretty much. Almost all of them make decent cloud servers regardless of physical link speed because their CPUs aren't going to push more than 100mb/s anyway.

With all the alternatives to the Raspi you have to test if you can get a current kernel with 3d graphics acceleration working. Mostly they rely on some proprietary binary drivers which work with the supplied kernel only.

This is extremely helpful as I have been needing to get a rasberry pi, but saw that they were over 100 bucks on amazon. As someone who has never used something like this before but would love to learn, is there a recommendation on which I should go for? I don't really understand all the hardware lingo yet lol. Some things I might used this for is networking, a server to run some code, and other light weight stuff that I don't know about yet lol.

Another point missed is that a lot of people wanting a pi 4 could very easily get away with lesser pi. Eg pi hole or a webserver would happily run on a rpi 3a+ which had plenty of stock when I bought one last week. Also many people may want a pi for some projects a pico would be more suited for thinking the pi would be better. But something like a remote control car doesn't need an operating system or the power requirements of a rpi 4. RPIs are partly for learning and building. Often the RPI4 isn't the best raspberry pi for either of these goals.

As you said, "HW is nothing without SW". You will learn it quickly, when your NonamePI vendor drops support... just as I learned it with BananaPI router. I hate having completely usable HW die just because I don't want to plug it to the internet due to lack of security updates. Of course this may not be such a big problem, if you're doing some just some fancy thermometer or other DIY HW project but in that case you'll find out that finding the decent HW parts/SW is not so easy when you're using something fancy instead of the main stream (RB-Pi). Still, NonamePi can be a good idea, if there is no RB-Pi, but if the difference is just say $10, it's simply not worth the struggle.

Using Le Potato for Octoprint instance and have been very happy with the performance and availability.

@TheSanpletext

Жыл бұрын

I ran my Octos on RasPi, but found using old PC and docker easier and faster, not to mention super easy deployment of multiple instances (one for every printer) via web browser.

@jhbb19

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSanpletext thought about using an old computer but power consumption was always 3x or more even on an older low voltage intel mobile system

@Neo-lb4et

Жыл бұрын

My guy, do you have any guides for getting octoprint setup on Le Potato? I've been trying and I just cant seem to get it running properly

Someone didn't proofread the spelling of Raspberry @ 1:56 lol but a great video with great alternatives! Thanks!

Well this was a very useful video. I was searching for Raspberry Pi alternatives, and was recomened the LE Potato. Didn't even realize about the Renegade. My Potato was set to arrive tomorrow, and now so is the renegade. Gonna be returning the potato for sure

The LePotato has been a perfect companion to my Ender 3 3D printer. I run Klipper with Fluidd, and even have a webcam connected, it handles everything perfectly.

@WhiteG60

Жыл бұрын

I was fortunate enough to hit MicroCenter a few times right when the Pi Zero 2 came out and have like, 5 of them. They run Klipper and Fluidd (or Mainsail) perfectly and are small enough to fit in the case with the mainboard.

One thing I like about the RP4 and RP3b+ is the Power over Ethernet add-on board you can get. This means my pi's are powered by my PoE switch and in the rare case of a hard crash I can remotely power cycle them. I have not been able to find information on PoE support for any of the alternative boards.

@idowhatiwantdowhatisaygoog2361

Жыл бұрын

You should be able to buy PoE splitters that can be used to power anything for about $10. Just be sure to pick the right one (USB C vs Micro vs 12v Barrel Jack), the USB C variation is more expensive but you can buy each of them in packs of 3 for a discount.

@mrklean0292

9 ай бұрын

For my use-case I don't want another power cord on my rack. I have a POE switch to provide power to various devices. I know some would consider it a little silly, but I like a neat rack.

Just a small observation: judging only by the blue colour of the USB in the picture of the Orange Pi 3 LTS, it has 2 USB 3.0 and a single USB 2.0 Anyway, it's been great to watch your videos. Thanks a lot!

The beaglebone is also an excelent SBC for embedded systems development, and is mostly opensource.

I wish Linus would have baked some pie puns into this episode! Loved it, thank you guys 💙🍰

@Qardo

Жыл бұрын

Well, it would have better if he released this video in March on the 14th. Aka. Pi Day.

@free_kids_in_bio

Жыл бұрын

He did put 3.1… in the intro

@michaeldavidryandanielpaul1990

Жыл бұрын

@@Qardo 😆👍

I used to have original Banana Pi. It had gigabit ethernet (compared to 100mb on RPI), 3 usb 2.0 and sata port. I used it as home NAS, DDNS and print server.

Odroid N2+ 4GB here. I think I have a Pi zero(or another ultra low spec Pi I used for a project a couple of years ago) kicking around here somewhere, as well. I haven't done anything cool with the Odroid, mainly because it's too much SBC to dedicate to any single purpose that leaves performance on the table but while it certainly could assume the role of everyday driver PC for many, perhaps not coming as a surprise to anyone here, my computing needs are a bit heavier than whoever makes up the "many". My display wall/quad display setup alone makes the N2+ not up to the task... I thought about using it as a NAS but I still feel like it's overkill. I haven't looked into whether I could potentially use it for a NAS & a Pi-Hole or something. I had originally purchased it for a roll your own VPN but then an actual dedicated VPN Router fell into my lap, so at present, my N2+ has LibreElec or CoreElec on it but just sort of as a placeholder, as I generally run Kodi on my Linux machine (actual everyday driver) on the occasions where I actually run Kodi. Any suggestions for projects/uses for my N2+ worthy of its hardware? I'm all ears👂🌽🙉

I think I'll go with the orange pi 5. Thanks for the video

Going over Raspi alternatives, can we expect a future video about Mini PC diy and prebuilt options? Sure you've explored budget-mid-high range PCs, prebuilts, and unique mini PCs, but nothing focusing generally on mini PC options, which I would expect would include some Raspis and similar.

I would love a video where you guys set up a bunch of these showcasing cool use cases and linked to resources on how to do them.

Nearly endless supply of these in the embedded world too. All for a fraction the cost of consumer products. I used to work in the industry and had a desk covered in these things. Mostly running Linux and Blackberry RTOS flavors.

I have tried some alternatives. They are good until you want to use your SBC to do something that most people don't. I stick to RPI for most of my projects for that reason. The others I tinker with just for fun.

The only SBC I have found to be a viable alternative for the Pi for running Klipper and OctoPrint has been the Le Potato. The documentation and support are definitely nowhere near as good as the Pi but with some searching I found some solutions that would get everything working. There are so many projects I would like to built but I really started getting into the RPi right before prices for all models skyrocketed. It's just completely ridiculous that a RPi Zero 2 W which is supposed to be $12 can't be found anywhere for less than $60 which is the cheapest I found it when I last looked a while back. I am of the same mindset of LTT that even though they said things will improve in 6 months I think backorders, FOMO buyers and scalpers will keep prices high for the rest of 2023.

@killer2600

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It's the buyers that are really hurting things. If scalpers didn't have buyers willing to pay the insane prices then scalpers wouldn't be able to sell rPi's at the insane prices. Honestly, there's no reason to pay the outrageous prices either, there are used/refurbished tiny/mini/micro pc's that sell for less and offer way more power, ports, expandability than rPi.

@snoflahke6575

9 ай бұрын

I want to buy a le potato just so i can toss it to the next person who says "you can run that on a potato"... here's one lets see you get it working...

I am SOOOO grateful for this video, I've been looking for an alternative to the pi for my final year project and could only find the expensive options until I found this. How well will the renegade run Home assistant?

You missed Quartz64 from Pine64 which can be had for about $80. I really like it, plus you'd be supporting them in their endeavor challenging the status quo with their Linux based PinePhone. Seeed Studio has other interesting offerings as well, not just the reRouter. The odyssey, although at almost $300 running a Celeron CPU, is a neat board.

@filthyfrankblack4067

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That new raspi pico competetor the 0x64 is going to be a little monster once people fully realize its capabilities. Microdata will be the next big trend.

I run both a server and Raspberry Pi 4 at home and I prefer the Raspberry Pi. It just so compact to fit in my OnQ panel.