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@MzuMzu-nx1em

2 жыл бұрын

The my kick up your arse is awesome. I have posted some light , improvised workout , with a bitbof martial arts inside .take a look don't mind my stomach I am 45

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2 жыл бұрын

Already am and I am so glad I found you, you are absolutely awesome! :) Greetings from a german boxer.

@MzuMzu-nx1em

2 жыл бұрын

Taekwoon do has a light foot work, it's a life saver on the ring .

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2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

I'm already subscribed

"No intentional throwing outside of the ring or cage." That's definitely Sumo

@dr.floridamanphd

2 жыл бұрын

I remember when that match in the early days of UFC.

@hypnoticskull6342

2 жыл бұрын

@@dr.floridamanphd That was so fucking badass. Too bad the Sumo lost

@Jeffgordon24everfan

2 жыл бұрын

Blame Tank Abbott

@belalabusultan5911

2 жыл бұрын

are you sure? I thought this was to decrease the effeciency of Dragon Ball tournament enthusiasts, since you win in those by throwing someone outside the ring :P

@wrongfoot4

2 жыл бұрын

dude there was an early ufc fight where someone tried to do that and the rule was made immediately after, I forgot who was in the match but its been tried

Ameri-Do-Te is so S tier it makes everything else at best D tier. Because of Master Ken I no longer live in fear of the destructive disabled.

@JRF1004

2 жыл бұрын

Facts 💯

@tristankendrick2582

2 жыл бұрын

Restomping the groing is the strongest kick in martial arts

@redhead12555

2 жыл бұрын

I practice it everyday for Jon Jones

@brucelaw4776

2 жыл бұрын

Restomp the groin

@mattl.9149

2 жыл бұрын

Ameri-Do-Te is so powerful that Seth couldn't include it without running out of space for the other styles, even if he brought back E tier.

Nice Breakdown! Here's my transcript: 0:27 BJJ, 1:50 TKD, 3:04 Judo, 4:04 Muy Thai, 5:41 Sambo, 6:44 Krav Maga, 7:48 Karate, 9:21 MMA ruleset, 10:28 WRST, 11:18 KBX, 12:12 Wing Ch, 12:45 BOX, 13:55 Sandu/Sanda [S] Sambo [A] Wrestling, Sandu [B] BJJ, M-Thai, KBX [C] Judo, Boxing [D] TKD, Karate [F] KraV, Wing Ch

@jumpvelocity3953

Жыл бұрын

Sanshou, not Sandu.

@lucasnevescardoso3297

Жыл бұрын

S - Complete martial art A - Excellent MMA bases B - MMA-oriented styles C - Good combat sports D - Bad combat sports F - Fake Martial Arts

@fred4800

Жыл бұрын

Judo should be in B and switch with BJJ. Sure its not as well versed on the ground as BJJ but at least it does ground and stand up. BJJ weakness is not doing anything on the feet and being too comfortable on the ground.

@jumpvelocity3953

Жыл бұрын

@@fred4800 this is in the context of MMA. BJJ is much more useful than Judo in this context. You are guaranteed to have mastered another martial art for striking etc.

@ghostyybarnes7767

Жыл бұрын

Yall seem to forget about gracie jiu jitsu

Great list, I think Muay Thai and Judo are underrated though, specially since Muay Thai has takedowns (leg sweeps). For examples on effective Judo in MMA just check out Fedor Emelianenko or Karo Parisyan, also while they may not be strictly Judo players, a lot of fighters have incorporated Judo throws into their MMA games, GSP and Jon Jones are some. Not to mention that armbars, triangle chokes are also Judo.

@iblamesamuel477

2 жыл бұрын

in my opinion muy thai sweeps arent taught properly

@wrestlar3246

2 жыл бұрын

Add Dom Cruz, Khabib( or any fighter under Abdulminap)

@faufaufau

2 жыл бұрын

I think he puts it in C bcs sport judo is more focused on the throws and takedowns, while the way MMA fights like UFC is set up gives an edge to striking and grappling. But I gotta admit, for street fights, Judo throws are fucking lethal.

@leobuana7430

2 жыл бұрын

@@iblamesamuel477 because It dosen't have follow up move ?

@rafaelbriganti502

2 жыл бұрын

Muay Thai and Judo are my chosen martial arts. I greatly love both!

Krav maga: Crossfit guys doing Aikido in military clothing

@midnut9036

2 жыл бұрын

And they all have punisher logos on their Ford f-150s

@SenseiSeth

2 жыл бұрын

lol this is good

@ishitrealbad3039

2 жыл бұрын

tha'ts a sick burn!! XD

@David-ui1fb

2 жыл бұрын

se nota que nunca lo practicastes

@Yoandrys23

2 жыл бұрын

@@David-ui1fb Crossfit, Aikido, or Krav maga?

My wife heard the video and said "Is that the hot karate guy?" I was like, "Oh, hot huh? I dont know." She comes and looks... "No, the other guy." She meant Wonderboy. Sorry, Seth.

@SenseiSeth

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha what’s funny is before I read the comment entirely I was going to comment “she must mean WB” 😂😂

@letsgojake.4078

2 жыл бұрын

Its not fair that one guy gets the athletic genetics and the looks. Save some for the rest of us, WB.

@ajshiro3957

2 жыл бұрын

LOL, why she gotta do my boy like that?

@james4727

2 жыл бұрын

@@SenseiSeth mate I think you're sexy

@lyrasunshard3769

2 жыл бұрын

@@james4727 agreed, Seth looks handsome

The way you rethink as you go, really gives me the sensation that you know what you're talking about. And that's cool! Thx for your vid.

Muay Thai and BBJ that is ALL that you need.

@DavidThaDwarf

2 жыл бұрын

As long as the bjj has takedowns and takedown defence then yes.

@oggymifan7715

2 жыл бұрын

Muay thai lacks speed

@oggymifan7715

2 жыл бұрын

@Goodie usually you cant win if you cant set up any kicks

@oggymifan7715

2 жыл бұрын

@Goodie maybe u dont know the fact that kick is 5x stronger than a punch

@oggymifan7715

2 жыл бұрын

@Goodie i didn't say that wrestling is not important, i am pointing out that you need those kicks to set up any moves

A funny thing I noticed is how the number of Wing Chun videos titled "How to Defeat a Boxer/MMA Fighter" really just speaks to how formidable Boxing and MMA are rather than Wing Chun. Boxers and MMA Fighters have to be crazy strong if there's so many videos attempting to demonstrate how to defeat them. I've also never seen a Boxing/MMA video titled "How to Defeat a Wing Chun Fighter".

@liammullen2144

2 жыл бұрын

Stop using logic you heretic

@jestfullgremblim8002

2 жыл бұрын

You have a point. *gunshots* oh wait, you _had_ one.

@jestfullgremblim8002

2 жыл бұрын

@@liammullen2144 BURN THE WITCH!!!

@Jenkies757

2 жыл бұрын

Most wing Chun is watered down bullshit. Unless your learning from Duncan leungs inner circle disciples your not learning applicable technique

@Jenkies757

2 жыл бұрын

Also tell that to the Chinese army or every swat team in Virginia who train Wing Chun

Wrestling has dominated MMA but a part of that is the American system of producing thousands of wrestlers at a young age with nothing to really do through their twenties. They have no means of income beyond MMA.

@bombastikderteutone6858

2 жыл бұрын

"with nothing to really do" through their twenties hahaha

@obscurelines

2 жыл бұрын

@@bombastikderteutone6858 Hah, I just meant that compared to other college sports it doesn't offer the same financial opportunities.

@sliderx1897

2 жыл бұрын

And then some professor usually just hands them a bjj black belt so they can claim them

@namelikeanyother885

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, wrestling is a super popular high-school sport in the US, most of the other good ones don't even exist as a sport in high-school. So of-course a lot of very talented athletes growing up in the US, would choose wrestling and then end up being good at MMA also, but that doesn't mean wrestling is particularly good for MMA... in Europe/Asia wrestling isn't as big of a deal and equally almost no-one has a wrestling background...

@CCGMASTER

2 жыл бұрын

@@namelikeanyother885 I took boxing and judo in hs, we had them as after school clubs. There was a lot of competition from other schools too. Not sure why they never got endorsed for official school sports even though the tennis and golf teams struggled to attract players.

Judo still underrated. Clinch grappling is the most important skill in modern MMA.

@David-ui1fb

2 жыл бұрын

si esta infravalorado la verdad

@TrendyTryhard

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I don't understand why he ranked Muay Thai so low. Isn't that a huge part of Muay Thai?

@Ryan-qu4vx

2 жыл бұрын

I think Judo is great and the ability to dictate where a fight takes place is a massive advantage but the grip game being such a large part of Judo will keep it from becoming a major style in MMA.

@maxwellsdemon10

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrendyTryhard the thing is the stance in muay Thai. The Thai stance is a major part of the game and the way they check kicks, throw teeps and such is very specific to Muay Thai. That's why I would agree with seth, that kickboxing translates better to MMA, because you don't have to change your stance that much and you don't have to CHANGE significant things in your style, you have to learn new things, which is always easier.

@TrendyTryhard

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxwellsdemon10 good points, thank you

I think a big reason wrestling has so much impact on MMA is because in a lot of martial arts its about learning respect and it more based around self defense while in wrestling the kids are taught from a young age to never stop until you win and are brought up with that mentality of make your opponent uncomfortable for your gain.

@shenles

Жыл бұрын

wrestling teaches ground game a lot of the other combat sports dont (which is fine), and actively reset to standing position if a fight goes to the ground or even clinches for too long MMA doesnt do that so obviously having/learning ground game is important but okay make it a weird take about respect/principals???

@seanbunce4303

Жыл бұрын

@@shenles I mean that is also true but you can't say that teaching/ principals don't have an effect on how people fight. If you have Person A who was taught from a young age to respect your opponent and only do enough to win the match compared to Person B who was taught to never give up or stop until the ref pulls you off are gonna fight very different

"I would put karate closer to tae"Seth has encountered a critial error, please stand by

@user-fq3lk5se6p

2 жыл бұрын

critial error

@scottstout6836

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the karate and tkd. Kudo is karate but they fight closer to mma. ITF used to fight more like kickboxing when I did it in the 90s. WT is right where it belongs.

@facundotomasmezaalarcon3401

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottstout6836 Kudo is a fusion btw Kyokushin and Judo

@mochiisntbad6762

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottstout6836 i mean if were playing fusions here than taekwondo WTF isn't bad Just add punching to the face, knee kicks and taking away the point system(in short just add muay thai) and you fix the whole martial art.

@Ingeb91

2 жыл бұрын

I love the fact that he almost threw up from saying that.

Thanks for the shoutout!

@CancerArpegius

2 жыл бұрын

i expected this to be the top comment

@javieresteban8149

2 жыл бұрын

This is so wholesome

You are very special and I always say that your channel is one of the best channels by choosing the best good topics in the world of martial arts in addition to your distinctive style of presentation and value-added information

It was nice to see Sanda on this list. Very few people realize how great of a martial art it really is.

@bw5020

9 ай бұрын

Agreed. Very unsung

Recently quit Taekwondo for Muay Thai so I’m not getting clowned today

@thatwolfensteinguy8954

2 жыл бұрын

Bro....... i love Muay Thai, but ITF TKD especially is just as badass, in North korea they kick rocks with the Turning Kicks.

@dinner8204

2 жыл бұрын

TKD is pretty good as an addition to other striking martial arts, other than that, it sucks.

@colinb8332

2 жыл бұрын

I went from TKD to Muay Thai. Always will love TKD, but am very happy I switched. Feel in better shape and just all around a better athlete, plus more dangerous but not really why I do it

@juanrivera6207

2 жыл бұрын

@@dinner8204 I transitioned from TKD to Muay Thai and my power and very weird kicks have given me a good advantage when sparring. Although I do absolutely panic when I start boxing lmao

@tableprinterdoor

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatwolfensteinguy8954 it’s hard to trust anything from **North** Korea

I actually think that HEMA is the nerdiest martial art there is

@Minsang1st

2 жыл бұрын

Lol their training is literally off historical documents so I agree. Not in a bad way tho, because hema is super cool

@simoneriksson8329

2 жыл бұрын

As a HEMA-nerd I approve of this comment!

@kidddogbites

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

@kevinlobos5519

2 жыл бұрын

Kung Fu has to be high up there, there are hundreds of styles

@SenseiSeth

2 жыл бұрын

Name 3 good ones

I think your list was spot on. Good work on this one.

Thanks for uploading this video 😊

As someone who has trained Krav for the past 9 months I completely agree with Seth’s opinion that they couldn’t win against the average mma fighter. That is mostly due to the fact that we don’t train to. We train to defend against the average aggressor. While I do believe that Krav is a martial art, I think it’s more designed not to win a fight but to survive a fight with as little injury to yourself as possible. (Tl;DR: Krav is good against average person not so much against a trained fighter)

@vipr1142

2 жыл бұрын

Daido Juku and Gongkwon Yusul is two relativly unknown martial arts, which basically is Karate MMA and Taekwondo MMA, look em up. I've been blessed to train both of these for extended time. I also trained normal MMA for almost 10 years after the prior dojos closed down (it was in the same building and the Sensei moved to another country). I think Sensei Seth is completely wrong with listing Judo as a C. Read the whole comment to figure out the truth! But I think Judo and Muay Thai is basically all thats needed. Judo has throws AND submissions, all submissions that they have in BJJ! And Muay Thai is Muay Thai. But here is the most optimal way to become a MMA master: Learn karate OR (or both) Taekwondo head kicks + the snap maegeri. They have much faster head kicks than Muay Thai. Learn Muay Thai clinch, elbows and knees. Learn Judo because Judo has basically most of Greco Roman Wrestling but also all Jujutsu submissions. Look at Ronda Rousey, she was a Judo practitioner but a master of submissions! Learn boxing. Learn these specific branches of techniques and you'll become a master of MMA.

@stephanthegreat1348

2 жыл бұрын

Thats what I always being saying. You cant believe how many krav guy said to me an average krav guy would win against an average mma guy

@mochiisntbad6762

2 жыл бұрын

@@vipr1142 im just happy that tkd isnt completely useless as a practitioner of the art.

@sheilagordon3115

2 жыл бұрын

@@vipr1142 You are one hundred percent correct . How often will the average person be faced with fighting a professional ? Get good at what you said and then you will be hard to beat . Also never underestimate anyone in a fight , it could be for your life .

@vipr1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@sheilagordon3115 Exactly. Never underestimate someone, thats often where legends fall in the sport of MMA. When they get so good, they underestimate their opponent and then they lose

MMA was actually more biased towards grappling before rounds and time limits. Its a big disadvantage to get reset on the feet after five minutes if you are a BJJ fighter, and striking will wear you out way faster than ground grappling if you know what you are doing as a grappler. I'm pretty sure they introduced those things to make the matches "more exciting" (i.e. to encourage striking).

@JJ-zr6fu

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I keep hearing how the MMA rules are biased towards grappling yet most UFC events barely have a take down anymore and most main cards almost pure striking.

@Shadowoftheoldones

2 жыл бұрын

@@JJ-zr6fu Yeah, that's because of the modern rule set. Back in the day (UFC 1 - 9) it used to be grapplers winning all the time. It's a little bit weird calling it "bias" though, basically it was more of a real fight back then. So the issue is that a real fight is biased towards grapplers. The 5 min round rule is especially crappy and artificial. I can be on someone's back at the end of 5 min about to choke them, and we end up back on the feet. It takes less than a second to knock someone out, but I need a couple minutes to set up a submission, usually.

@JJ-zr6fu

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shadowoftheoldones I completely agree also the energy spent setting up the submission and then to have the bell is a waste of energy as well

@TheLotek1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shadowoftheoldones I want MMA to end rounds kinda like football ends quarters. As long as the "play" is in the middle of something happening, it isn't artificially stopped because the clock said so. They could even borrow the OT in the round from the next round if they are concerned about time. I just find this to be more realistic than resetting the fighters in the position they ended the previous round in. Also I don't think getting rid of rounds is great either because the small rest + the coaches advice makes for more entertainment anyway (plus it gives time for commercials. Money makes all the difference.)

@stango141

2 жыл бұрын

The rules are still made for grappling you just won't get a fight if you lay on someone for 5 rounds to wear them out. In a real 1v1 fight to the death yes laying on someone for 30 mins probably the way to go but not to fun to watch.

Very good tier list wow spot on

9:30 Seth never fails to get a laugh out of me. XD Thanks for another great vid Sensei Seth!

Prediction I’d stake my martial arts career on: Aikido SSS tier

@journey2mma998

2 жыл бұрын

Akido is butt

@fisal8942

2 жыл бұрын

Aikido is so strong that it's illegal to use it in a cage

@jesseshaffer3951

2 жыл бұрын

Well thanks for admitting your level of understanding

@wafflescripter9051

2 жыл бұрын

Aikido the only real combat sport

@RedFoxGrappler

2 жыл бұрын

I like how exactly half of the current commenters understand irony. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

Tkd used to be so much better,since its supposed to be an equal mix of karate and judo,now it's just foot tag,damn good video though

@Joey-ee9vd

2 жыл бұрын

I agree for WTF bro but I practice ITF and it’s practical based, check it out bro may be surprised 💯🥋

@nickdelacruz3921

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joey-ee9vd honestly I really liked the grappling aspect to what I was learning,we spent as much time doing takedowns and submissions as we did striking,I honestly feel like I couldn't learn anymore from the new tkd

@burt2800

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I did traditional TKD for a few years and although we hardly did any sparring there was much emphasis put on power and form. Having transitioned to kickboxing I find that the hours of drilling perfect form for power and speed are something lacking in kickboxing. Many things like balance, leg dexterity and footwork never got to the same level as when Iwas doing TKD.

@David-ui1fb

2 жыл бұрын

el taekwondo es bueno por si solo

@guillermobaier

2 жыл бұрын

@@David-ui1fb no lo es

Thanks for the upload

Agree 💯 on everything you’ve said. I’ve been doing so much research and this confirmed it all!

Obviously the best style is Tae-Thai-Te because it's the flashiest both physically and when you yell it as you do your moves.

Love the content seth, keep it up

@SenseiSeth

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I just started watching UFC and this content helps so mutch to better understand. thank you sensei seth

love your content bro!

Hi Seth, I know it’s been mentioned but I also have to query the lack of Jujitsu (Japanese) from your list. At a simplistic level, Judo was born of Jujitsu and subsequently BJJ. Much like yourself, I started training Shotokan Karate as a kid aged 11. I had no other options where I grew up, regardless, I loved Karate. It was a different time, training was physically harder; there was less concern for the welfare of the students! I got my Shodan at 16 and then at 21 I took an unintentional hiatus of 20 years…fast forward to my 41st year and I decided to jump right back into training. I started four times a week and quickly cycled through 20 years of injuries. It’s incredible how much muscle memory I retained and after a year I was tricked into taking my Nidan grading. That was a near-death experience. Soon after I attended a joint seminar with a local Jujitsu club. I wasn’t aware of their existence as I’d focused on Karate but it blew my mind - it was basically the same, but they eschewed the (seemingly essential) minutiae of the Shotokan Karate I knew in favour of maximum destructive efficacy and constant adaptation through pressure testing. Granted, it’s not traditional Jujitsu (eg Goshin), rather more self defence orientated, but the base was the same - 40 odd Judo throws, hooks, sweeps and reaps, most of the practical locks (that you see in Aikido for example), all the striking from Karate (albeit without the insane focus on perfecting technique) coupled with an emphasis on tae sabaki, Judo Ne Waza and many grappling principles that feature so heavily in BJJ. All our training apart from some fitness is with a partner. The focus is on closing distance and incapacitating an attacker as quickly as possible. I’ve been solely training Combat Jujitsu for the last four years and I’m battered and bruised but my confidence in taking on a larger attacker as never been so high. I now also take a No-Gi class to improve my grappling skills. I have to blow my own trumpet here and say that my stand-up striking game is probably one of, if not the best, in the club, and that is all thanks to Karate. I highly suggest that you go down the rabbit hole and check out some modern practical Japanese Jujitsu, it surprised me and it could surprise you!

Love he content,keep it up!

@SenseiSeth

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏

Very nice tier list Seth! I would do changes as; putting bjj, wrestling and muay Thai (you forgot the foot sweeps) to A Tier, and Judo to B Tier. Very unbiased Judoka here hehehehe

@user-ve8vf7jl5s

Жыл бұрын

同意します❤

100% spot on,and always good for a laugh

If possible could you do a video about ITF old style? It's a different type of taekwondo, more hands and angle based. I been practicing it for 4 years (in national team) and I did WT and bit of Muay Thai (planning on doing more of this and bjj). But I believe ITF actually gave me a good bases for different stand up martial arts.

@daveyjones18

2 жыл бұрын

My oldman (ITF) would agree with you, but I did WTF till I got 1st dan, and it trains you to box with your feet. If you mix it up with other martial arts like boxing and wrestling, it's a big advantage 👍

Hi ​​@Sensei Seth you should check out Fighting System Jujitsu, basically it is a modern "form" of Japanese Jujitsu, that combines Shotokan Karate (without break when you touch), Judo, and BJJ, so very complete and a very good sport to develop MMA skills. It could be cool if you let us know what you think about it in one of your next videos :)

As someone who is only a fan of MMA it's really important to know what to do against grappling and when you are on your back because not many things is worse in any fight than being mounted just pummeled without a clue how to defend or get out of there. I would say Muay Thai-Wrestling-BJJ

Hey just found your channel and as a non marital arts practitioner I have to say you nailed it from my point of view. Think a ton of people would disagree with the premise that MMA and especially the UFC rules are wrestling favorite because of the amount of great strikers, but if you actually get into detail it's obvious that wrestling is the king.

Judos footwork gives you opportunity to swift and they are heavier on the ground. Armlocks kimura and triangle are all judo. Strongest clinch game

@jpm8960

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I think judo should be at B

Besides putting muay thai in A tier, just because how tough the fighters are and how much they work on the standing clech, I agree with the rest of the tier list. Good job as allways sensei, happy to see Judo get some love, I feel it doesn't get as much attention as it deserves being so complete.

@Mayanksharma-ss8xj

2 жыл бұрын

Muay Thai should be 1 step below I think?

The thing about Karate being super detailed is so true. I come from a striking background that blends Muay Thai, Kung Fu, and Kickboxing and decided to take a Uechi-ryu karate class in college. We were doing Kata and the instructor yelled because she heard me exhaling my breath with my shots instead of inhaling (out of like 30 students).

@bloodsports94

Жыл бұрын

They wanted you to inhale when you hit? wtf that's so stupid . Absolute mcdojo.

@Wagadoogey

11 ай бұрын

@@bloodsports94could’ve been not a strike but some sort of other movement idk

@Balliiinn

9 ай бұрын

@@Wagadoogeythe basic of most martial arts is never inhale when you’re getting hit. Wth are they teaching

@Wagadoogey

9 ай бұрын

@@Balliiinn yeah I misread or maybe responded to the wrong comment i don’t even know what I was trying to say

Did sensei Seth just give a shout out to fight commentary break downs?!?! Wow! 🎉💕

One important thing you didn’t touch on that makes wrestling so good is the mental part. Taekwondo by itself is ineffective not just for the technique but because the goal of a Taekwondo match is to score points usually at a far range so that will be the pace and mentality of the athlete. Wrestling is constant pressure and force which I think is a mentality that translates much better to mma

@tribalman9668

2 жыл бұрын

The relentless physical strength….

@michaelnurge1652

2 жыл бұрын

It's weird to try to describe to someone. I think my second day on the wrestling team, guy tells me, "don't fish" (don't give up even if they've got the superior position or so far ahead it seems pointless). Always considered myself a practical person, you know, if there's no way to win, save something for the next match...no, that's not what we do here. Then there's the fact that you get cross-faced a fair bit. Seeing stars? Just keep on going. Nosebleed? Here's some cotton for the nostril; keep on going. I got both nostrils cauterized because I had so many nosebleeds. It's all about manipulating another guy who's resisting, and that's about it. I think it was either Bruce Lee or some Wing Chun guy in a book (with illustrations!) who's talking about using elbow strikes or this or that technique from close and I'm just thinking, really? You've got no POWER in some of the stuff they're talking about, because you're off-balance and no way to generate it if you face anyone who knows how to do takedowns and reversals. When a friend and co-worker showed me some Muay Thai, I'm thinking, that's the first time I've seen anything that would actually effectively use some close-in striking. I did TKD in college, after wrestling in HS. I got attacked late at night doing a cart run while working for Safeway. He gave me a rabbit-punch in the ribs from super-close range...took the guy down, banged his head against the concrete, he got his arms down, modified half-nelson and I can't choke the guy out effectively because I don't know how, but kind of an eye-opener in some ways. Never did TKD again. Fun kicks, fun point sparring, pointless flashy katas and other things about looks over substance... I wasn't a great wrestler, like some of the keyboard warriors who went all-state or were captain of their team or whatever. Just knew some basics and I wrested the unlimited weight class so my style's sloppier than some because I was mostly against guys shorter and heavier who were hard to move, and it was a LONG time ago...but that mindset helps you see through some BS. Maybe some other martial arts like BJJ have similar mentality, but a lot of others, even those that spar, don't seem to. TKD was a lot of fun, but if you're sparring for points, it's a way different thing.

@timinator1178

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelnurge1652 totally agree. I did wrestling in highschool and it’s given me such an “embrace the suck” mentality that no other combat sport seems to have. I saw an interview with a few Navy SEALs a while ago who were explaining how their past experiences helped them with passing BUDS. The runner said his running helped him with the huge amount of running they do. The swimmer said he was able to excel with the water portion of the tests. The football player said he was used to getting yelled at and working in teams. They all said BUDS was the hardest thing they had ever done in their lives. Except the ex-college wrestler. He said BUDS was just an extended version of wrestling practice. Same level of general difficulty, otherwise.

@bartomiejkumor9375

2 жыл бұрын

Same reason why muay thai is popular and effective - muay thai fighters are conditioned to be aware that strikes can come from anywhere and aren't scared of the opponent closing distance down because they've been clinched and elbowed in the nogging enough times.

@yomommashaus

2 жыл бұрын

@@timinator1178 lol that's great. I believe it

The dopest and most fun mma fighters to watch have TKD backgrounds like Rose, Zabit, Yair, Edson, Valentina, Benson, Bas. The list goes on. Jus sayin

@xanderxue5864

2 жыл бұрын

Pettis

@boogeyman1016

2 жыл бұрын

Zabit is Sanda right?

@blakerunyon8523

2 жыл бұрын

@@boogeyman1016 yes master of Sanda but also has a black belt in TKD.

@51dodoc

2 жыл бұрын

Edson and Valentina come from a muay thai background, they pick up TKD later. Also Benson is not among the fun fighter to watch at all ^^'

@fisherthegoat

2 жыл бұрын

I think the fact that Muay Thai leg/head/body kicks have become the standard for almost every MMA fighter. Bas may have originally started in TKD but his fighting style is far more like a Muay Thai/Dutch kickboxer. Valentina is a Muay Thai champion, same with Edson, and again, their fighting styles reflect more of a Muay Thai school of thought (especially in the case of Edson), rather than TKD.

Love your content Sensei Seth, completely agree about WT and would highly recommend you look into the TAGB- taekwondo association of Great Britain. It's the UKs largest ITF group and is miles apart from WT. If you're ever in the UK drop in to a session!

i love this shit. Good video my boi

Judokas have ground game and it is pretty freaking good, especially nowadays ground work takes a bigger role in judo competition and it get's trained more however it is specific to the sports of judo. Judokas don't really train things like guard passes because in judo competitions you just don't end up in situations where you have to pass someones guard, but you end up in situations where you opponent is in a turtle position and this is where judokas ne waza (groundfighting) really shines.

Seth: Ok so BJJ Me: Definitely at least A tier Seth: B-Tier Me: B-Tier for sure

@vipr1142

2 жыл бұрын

Judo is NOT a C tier. It has basically all techniques Jiujutsu has PLUS all wrestling techniques. It should be a *S* martial arts

@Minsang1st

2 жыл бұрын

@@vipr1142 having a technique is very DIFFERENT from practicing it. Judo focuses so much on stand up, and a lot of its throws depend on a gi to get good grip/clinch, and its hard to transition from striking distance to grappling because it doesn’t allow tackles. The ground game time is so limited, most players don’t practice complex ground game. Judo may not be significantly below bjj, but definitely noticeably below bjj in that list

@vipr1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@Minsang1st Judo has everything that jiujutsu and BJJ has on the ground. Just that competitive Judo is limited, that its mostly standing up. But they do teach you armbars, triangle chokes and everything so You should read into stuff before talking.

@roygiron4001

2 жыл бұрын

I think bjj should have been S tier or at least a B tier + because of the rules of mma like he said they are Biased on grappling

@roygiron4001

2 жыл бұрын

@@vipr1142 if that was true then bjj wouldn’t have never been invented as a martial art in the first place the fact is that bjj is more Focused on the ground and judo is more focused on throwing the person to the ground and while they are both similar both still are their own style and because of bjj being focused on the ground more than Judo is because like you said you practice almost the same like bjj but like you said it is limited unlike bjj is so if thats the case then no wonder why bjj is at least a step ahead of judo

Tbh very good and honest I agree with most of it

Oh wow, starting right off the bat with hot takes!

@jakejohnson9552

2 жыл бұрын

Or I need to wait before commenting 😅

One thing i Think you missed is “flair”. Like if you have some crazy kicks or submissions it could help make your fights more popular. (If you want to go pro, being a Fun fighter to watch is also important to sale your fights)

@biohazard724

2 жыл бұрын

Izzy Adesanya is a great example of this, he's super technical but at the same time when he's firing on all cylinders it's like watching a video game character

@vipr1142

2 жыл бұрын

Daido Juku and Gongkwon Yusul is two relativly unknown martial arts, which basically is Karate MMA and Taekwondo MMA, look em up. I've been blessed to train both of these for extended time. I also trained normal MMA for almost 10 years after the prior dojos closed down (it was in the same building and the Sensei moved to another country). I think you are completely wrong with listing Judo as a C. Read the whole comment to figure out the truth! But I think Judo and Muay Thai is basically all thats needed. Judo has throws AND submissions, all submissions that they have in BJJ! And Muay Thai is Muay Thai. But here is the most optimal way to become a MMA master: Learn karate OR (or both) Taekwondo head kicks + the snap maegeri. They have much faster head kicks than Muay Thai. Learn Muay Thai clinch, elbows and knees. Learn Judo because Judo has basically most of Greco Roman Wrestling but also all Jujutsu submissions. Look at Ronda Rousey, she was a Judo practitioner but a master of submissions! Learn boxing. Learn these specific branches of techniques and you'll become a master of MMA.

@vipr1142

2 жыл бұрын

My favorite technique is Do Mawashi Kaiten Geri! Such a beautiful AND powerful technique. Probably the strongest kick you can throw if done correctly.

@newmoonwithface

2 жыл бұрын

@@vipr1142 bro ur spamming that comment everywere, either your VERY salty or you sell a book or somthing for the first two marital arts

"I think you could have a super like average level of BJJ and still do well if you do well in other styles." Considering that most UFC BJJ "Black Belts" look like they don't know how to pass guard, I agree. It's rare to see a guy like Dean Lister in the UFC anymore. Why focus on 15 years of BJJ to be competitive when you can be the best Muay Thai striker around in 5?

@liammullen2144

2 жыл бұрын

BJJ isn't as effective as it used to be because people know how to defend against it now. You need to know enough to defend yourself but most fights are not won using mainly Jiu Jitsu

@Mayanksharma-ss8xj

2 жыл бұрын

I agree bjj takes so long to learn but then what are the alternatives to learn ground game good and fast

@deangullberry5148

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mayanksharma-ss8xj Catch Wrestling

@cahallo5964

2 жыл бұрын

​@@deangullberry5148 Realistic alternatives there is none lol, catch is as rare as it gets, for example in my whole country there are 3 gyms total.

@deangullberry5148

2 жыл бұрын

@@cahallo5964 sorry. don't know what to tell you

Perfect tier list

I think u should start a podcast. Your videos are great and would love to see u and Icy Mike discuss martial arts related topics

I am going to start practicing TKD, to help improve my balance. I do agree with most of what you are saying. Lethwei would be a good base because it has a lot to do with punches, elbows, and kicks. But if up out BJJ into the mix it will be good for grappling. Now if you want to go even further you could add TKD and boxing. TKD for a better understanding of kicks and help with balance. Boxing for a better understanding of punches. I don't know, if you would like to talk more about it the reply

@emmentaalijuusto8966

Жыл бұрын

I think u should ratherly start Muay Thai for balance. TKD isn't really made for hard kicks. And the condition for the balance and taking kicks isn't that good. Also, Muay Thai also trains you to prevent sweeps and trips unlike TKD.

Ive done 2 types of karate Shorin-Ryu and Shotokan (which I currently do) and I sparred in both styles. And Shotokan is an authentic Japanese karate and I believe shorin-Ryu is too. It originates from Okinawa.

im happy wrestling is A list that felt pretty good to see because im a wrestler and grappling is my favorite style but respect to all the strikers out there and bjj grapplers to

I have always been into combat sports, did boxing and wrestling from middle school, did a lot of bjj starting in highschool, some muay thai more recently, and a few years ago when Khabib was on his UFC run I took some sambo classes here in NY which was absolutely wild. Anyway wing chun trapping/hand fighting is the coolest shit ever, I was put onto it by a friend in high school who was taking it to improve his blocking form as he was the left tackle for our school's football team. I can not tell you how much that experience has helped me in every single other combat sport I've done since, I would actually recommend it to literally every single person who has even a passing interest in combat sports. Obviously not great on its own, but adding it to your base is super good.

Wrestling is clearly the best base for MMA and must be started at a young age to succeed...

@Zach-dd2jp

2 жыл бұрын

you can start at any age and be succesful, my first season starts in 6 weeks im 15 and a sophmore. wish me luck

@lawngjawn9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zach-dd2jp ... you still have a chance at being great starting in high school but you will have to out train and outwork your opposition. Not true that you can start at any age tho, considering After High School it's a Wrap unless you move on to Collegiate Wrestling... good luck

@valetudokungfu1718

2 жыл бұрын

MMA is the best base for MMA , but not standard MMA which is Bjj , Boxing , Muay Thai , Wrestling . Just training in only MMA , while taking from any style as you should .

@Ramin2340

2 жыл бұрын

No you don't need to start young. GSP started wrestling much later in life when he actually needed it for MMA.

@lawngjawn9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ramin2340 ... GSP is a Phenom who worked heavily with the Canadian Olympic team...

Started with Muay Thai, train Sanda for short time in Vietnam, and took couple free Judo classes, and now trying BJJ. I would still say I have the most fun in Muay Thai since that's where I'm most comfortable with, but Sanda would do pretty well in UFC.

Nice that you have Sanda on your list. I think it must be great for MMA.

I liked for the Dunder mifflin shirt. A true man of taste.

Thought it was weird that Sanda wasn't there. Nice save at the end.

I started out doing traditional Okinawan karate from about 7th grade until I graduated from high school (I was a 1st degree black belt by then. The reason I stopped attending my karate dojo was because I had started going to the best MMA gy iIn the area called "The Pitt" and didn't want to pay for both every month. After that, I did two years of Wing Chun when I was in college, my Wing Chun instructor, was and still is by far the most advanced striker I have ever sparred with. He was in his mid 30s at the time and I heard that a year after I graduated but he sparred and active roster UFC fighter at the UFC gym near campus and didn't quite tune him up, but him decisively enough that the guy asked him to teach him some stuff afterwards... Anyways, back to me, I also joined Campus boxing Club for a while too. I think nowadays, my story is probably quite typical for martial artists who learn Wing Chun, if I am right, most of the common dismissiveness and criticisms are no longer valid.

I love your list! But personally for me I think the best combo of martial arts is TKD, Karate, Wrestling, and boxing.

A tier for Sanda! Heck yeah 💪🏽

I just need to point out the GLARING difference between TKD's WT style and ITF style. ITF focuses on a lot of hand, elbow, forearm strikes as well as leg blocks, knee strikes and even shoulder strikes in certain movements. I agree with your placement of WT style TKD but would love for you to take a look at ITF in the future. ITF has always gone a lot harder and i've heard of competitors walking away with broken ribs, hands etc. from full contact sparring bouts in ITF. Here in the UK (and Scotland) ITF is the dominant style. It doesn't have many grapples or clinches, but there are techniques in the Dan grades with those in mind (or counters to grapples). I think ITF TKD would probably rank minimum C and max B, after listening to how you've ranked the other martial arts.

@giunolee1404

Жыл бұрын

either way any type of tkd is pretty useless

@takashidiromano281

10 ай бұрын

​@@giunolee1404sure anime pfp

@giunolee1404

10 ай бұрын

@@takashidiromano281 I made it in like 4th grade but am I wrong? Any grappler like me would beat any pure tkd guy

Wrestling and kickboxing combined with a few BJJ drills for good measure. Now back to my sofa...

I love these

the best thing would be Kudo or Sambo, because it would be a modality that would have striking + submissions and it wouldn't be necessary to manage more time and money to start other modality.

I think the tier system must take in consideration not absolute positions, but how well something counters other fighting styles composed of common martial arts. The reason BJJ+MT and Wrestling+boxing are so dominant is not because they are superior, but because there's very little to exploit. So... what about a "2 arts combo" tier or even a "what combs beat what in theory" list? Me? I trained BJJ and MT when I decided to actually learn how to defend myself. But I did train Aikido, TKD and Kung Fu when I was younger, so I think I can make fun of them from a good place XD

I'm convinced Jon Jones was a closet Krav Maga practitioner given the amount of eye pokes he gave 😂😂😂

@Todo_fighting

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

100% agree. I wonder where would capoeira fall... Like E?. What we need next is a Tier List of martial arts usefulness for MMA.

you should do a video tier list on which would be most helpful in a street fight

I love the troll laughter as he drags the bjj into b tier. 😂 🤣

I was surprised he put karate next to taekwando. I woulda thought his bias would put it at least a grade higher. I think boxing, muay thai, wrestling, and bjj are the best for mma. Judo is the 5th wheel. Learning taekwando, karate, wingchun, etc can help supplement one's training, I don't think they're strong enough to replace one of the main 4 I mentioned.

@ryanparsons3057

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a wing chun practitioner, and I honestly agree with you. Wing chun is from an era where the people you would fight were either untrained or another traditional style. It’s useful in mma, but you won’t do well with it as your base.

@lake0417

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanparsons3057 even though i'm responding in an offensive way id rather everyone trained in something rather than nothing. However here comes the stinger, wrestlers would dominate a Wing Chun or Akiedo practitioner in hand fighting in any practical sense

@james4727

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanparsons3057 I have a couple years experience in wing chun, but primarily train muay Thai. There are definitely some gems in there that can translate well. The emphasis on things like 'sticky hand' can be super useful when parrying, hand trapping, framing off your opponent. Often having that active lead hand and extended guard can come in handy.

@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935

2 жыл бұрын

I've trained in wingchun also. And luckily, one of my boxing coaches also trained wingchun/jkd. And he knew how to blend them together to make it work. As well as my willingness to apply it to my sparring. I like wingchun a lot, but I'm glad I didn't come up thinking it was enough. Lol.

@ryanparsons3057

2 жыл бұрын

@@lake0417 I spar with several wrestlers and a few sambists weekly. They don’t dominate. They are very good yes, but they don’t dominate.

I will say that for Wing Chun there is a guy that Fight Commentary Breakdown mentions (Qi La La) who does really well in Muay Thai matches using primarily Wing Chun and Xingyi Quan Kung Fu. Love watching those vids

@chrisfischer232

2 жыл бұрын

Another channel to look at for Wing Chu related stuff “for mma” (not versus mma or vs boxing) is Alan Orr’s channel. Not sure if that counts because it seems there’s only two guys that he shows that are mma fighters that use a mix of Wing Chun and BJJ

Wrestling is given the credit it deserves in this video. Thanks man

LOL I was going to ask about Sanshou/Sanda. I actually think it's roughly equivalent with Muay Thai in terms of usefulness in MMA. Muay Thai allows more extended clinch fighting. Sanda allows a wider range of wrestling-style takedowns.

my krav maga instructors actually go to spar to a mma gym every once in a while and they do pretty well , given the fact they don´t compete But then again, we rarely do all these fancy self defense techniques and mainly focus in learning the fundamentals of muay thai , boxing and jiu jitsu , so i guess it is an exception to the rule

Nice video. I’m a mixed martial artist who’s been training for almost 3 years. From what I’ve seen, whether it’s grappling or striking doesn’t matter as much as which fighter has better speed, power, cardio, defense and surprise. Whoever is better in those ways will win the fight.

Cool video. Now, what _pair_ of martial arts is the best base for MMA?

I started Karate and Judo when I was 4, but about 10 years ago I started BJJ and Muay Thai and it has enhanced my experience tremendously

@yusufhussain5663

2 жыл бұрын

How would u compare the effectiveness of karate vs muay thai

@MasterMcFly112

2 жыл бұрын

@@yusufhussain5663 In regards to what? Self defense, sport, recreational?

@yusufhussain5663

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterMcFly112 self defense

I've been training in Krav Maga for a while now-- and just to be clear, I'm not bothered at all that you ranked Krav low in this list, but I do want to point out that at the place I train at, we don't practice eye gouges that much, we spend most of the time training things like footwork, and striking; punches, kicks, knee strikes, elbow strikes, palm strikes, etc. We do seem to practice a lot of groin kicks, but everyone (all the male students at least) are expected to wear a cup for that reason. I'm not saying the place I train at is perfect, in fact, I do have some concerns, but the people there (the instructors especially) seem drastically different in comparison to most other Krav Maga places.

@SenseiSeth

2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome!

@RichardRohlin

2 жыл бұрын

Yes; I attend a place that does a sort of combination of Karate, kickboxing, and grappling/wrestling. They call this "Krav." Lots of free rolling, lots of sparring. I have no idea how you would practice an eye-gouge.

@blacksheepincorporated

2 жыл бұрын

@@RichardRohlin Where I train, we've only practiced eye gouges two or three times, and each of those times we practiced on these dummy heads. I don't know what the proper name for those is, but they're the same ones Icy Mike had in a video he did a while ago.

@RichardRohlin

2 жыл бұрын

Funny follow-up story to this: I got a chance to chat with the founder of the school about his decision (which apparently only predated me by about a month) to merge his karate and Krav programs; he said he did it because he noticed Krav folks tended to be kinda lazy and undisciplined and karate fills that (and other gaps) in their approach.

@crazytrucker9761

2 жыл бұрын

I do Krav Maga aswell and I have a brown belt it's a form of mma I agree with you on the strikes leg kicks knees elbows palm strikes hammer fists and boxing

Lol, that laugh when putting BJJ at B. You knew we were gonna come for you Seth.

Mma is doing things opposite, Judo and Boxing C tier..! You got me right on these too!! Respect ss!

Krav Maga, Ninjutsu, Aikido, and Wing Chun are TOO DEADLY FOR THE RING BRO!!!

@BoxingForTheStreets

2 жыл бұрын

Those arts are almost useless by itself.

@vikingdrengenspiders7875

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoxingForTheStreets not always

Sambo, Kudo and Sanda are pretty much MMA lol. Definitely the best ones

@gesshugh9976

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, they are all great picks for MMA.

@deangullberry5148

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Yu Sool

@jestersage8700

2 жыл бұрын

What is kudo?

@joatanpereira4272

2 жыл бұрын

@@jestersage8700 Japanese martial art, basically kyokushin+judo+boxing

@May-ky4lu

2 жыл бұрын

+

Nice shirt Seth.

Hey there, love your videos. I was wondering that you have never touched upon a Spear as a home defence weapon. I think that an entire video can be dedicated to that. Also, if there are any spears like that collapsible baton you tested. That would be cool.

Personally I’d rate S- sambo (to me seems just a level below mma) , wrestling (fundamental) A- boxing (entirely based on footwork, pressuring, head movement, feints, lateral movement and angles something Muay Thai or kickboxing fighters don’t focus on as much), Dutch kickboxing (obviously cuz the mix of kicks and lil bit of boxing), jiu jitsu (submission defense and positioning if and when you get taken down) B - Muay Thai (elbows and flying knees and clinch attacks) karate (distance management, speed, in n out movement) judo (clinch takedown can be useful although without gi is definately different. I think judo and Muay Thai would be a nasty combo) C- tae Kwon do (nasty kicks that can end your night while also leaving you out of position) D - everything else

@leosvanbom1721

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@champ1159

2 жыл бұрын

Wing Chun in F. I agree with everything else

@David-ui1fb

2 жыл бұрын

nah yo pondria al taekwondo y al muay thai mas arriba

@AlaiMacErc

2 жыл бұрын

I think if you were a _pure_ boxer, several of the things suggest as strengths -- because they are indeed strengths in boxing if you're good at them, clearly -- might be weaknesses or at least traps in MMA. The head movement thing can be very dangerous in steering you right into mid-level kicks. The stance and pressing could really open you up to leg takedowns. Obviously that's not to say that boxing isn't an excellent base for MMA once they've cross-trained it enough to apply it effectively.

@BloodMoneyy

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect

Mostly agree. I love this discussion, as well as the "best martial art for self-defense" one. I might shift wrestling and boxing up a space each--maybe muay thai too, purely for the amount of conditioning and actual fighting/sparring those styles use. We conditioned pretty hard in the kung fu style (I'd put it down with TKD and karate or maybe just over--we did a lot of takedowns and hit hard in sparring--but we didn't spar every class) I practiced, but the hardest was still probably equal to the easiest wrestling workouts.

Hey! You're wearing Dunder Mifflin shirt. COOL!!!

Good tier list! I think the overall is very accurate! Only things I would move is wrestling to S tier behind Sambo tho. It has proven to be the best base to have across all weight classes over 15 years. And I would move BJJ to A tier as a Base since you simply can’t do MMA without it.

@mathu10x97

9 ай бұрын

eh. for bjj to be effective in mma you need good wrestling to pair w it. bjj alone doesnt really have the top control/pressure wrestling has nor is it as takedown focused. and pulling guard in mma just gives up pretty bad position usually.

@coltizz

9 ай бұрын

@@mathu10x97 That varies a lot depending on what BJJ place you go to. There are many that practices takedowns and sweeps. There’s a lot of guys that have amazing top games just doing BJJ. BJJ is also practiced with full intensity witch is always good for real fight/MMA scenarios. But as I said I rank Wrestling higher simply cause someone with wrestling can pick up BJJ really quick and implement it in their game while someone with a BJJ background will have a much harder time getting good at wrestling.

@mathu10x97

9 ай бұрын

@@coltizz true, but i think more often than not bjj guys don’t have the best pure pressure and top control, especially that of wrestlers

@coltizz

9 ай бұрын

@@mathu10x97 Wrestles are often way stronger then your average BJJ guy simply cause a lot of techniques in BJJ don’t require the same amount of strength to pull off. That being said tho their are some BJJ guys who loves to play top and their pressure is insane while not being as explosive as a wrestler I would say they are way harder to push off. It’s just that you see more of the lean long limbed guys playing guard now days.

Combat TKD is so much different. For instance, a roundhouse to the head in TKD is done with the ball of the foot and normally targets the temple. Combat TKD definitely uses hand strikes much like Karate.

@amazonfactoryslave7315

Жыл бұрын

Not real

@theironfox2756

Жыл бұрын

@@amazonfactoryslave7315 I'm afraid it is and is practiced by the Korean military.

Kali is underrepresented as an MMA style since it's empty hand/grappling/foot work is overlooked. Most people think it's just learning how to fight with sticks.

Good list