With almost 50 years in railroad operations, most of it as a road engineer on a major class one RR, I never had to do the math with all those factors you mentioned. Here is the math I used. An SD 40 has 3,000 HP and is good for 7,020 tons on flat ground. If I had 1, yes, just one HP per ton I could run 50 MPH on flat ground or climb the Huey P. Long Bridge at around 10 to 12 MPH. The bridge has a 1.25% grade, over the Mississippi River just up river from New Orleans. Think about it, that is like having a 2 HP engine in a GMC 4 door crew cab Sierra pickup.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Bill Thanks for jumping in! Great info. Brian

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

Basically a strong man can move one empty boxcar by himself much less friction on rails than road

@litz13

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be surprised what you can drag, and with what ... I once was able to pull an A-6 speeder with a MT-19 speeder, and that's at least a 10x difference in weight. Was pretty easy to get moving, but if they hadn't helped with the braking it would have just pushed the little 900lb MT right along.

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

There’s much less resistance than compared to rubber and concrete say a truck for example

@billmorris2613

2 жыл бұрын

Ernest Passaro I have seen a few times where a couple guys try to push a car that is stopped, and we operate on relatively flat ground, but they could not get the car to start moving. I have seen a couple guys try to keep a car rolling that looked like it would stop before getting in the clear. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not.

Thanks Brian. I did not know that those little track mobiles borrowed weight like that. Pretty clever.

We use to have a restaurant / lounge on top of the World Trade Center called, “Top of the Mart” at the foot of Canal Street in New Orleans, LA. It was known for its unique view of New Orleans. The seating area moved 3 feet per minute and made a 360 degree rotation every 90 minutes. I spoke with the head maintenance guy one evening and asked how big was the motor that turned the floor. He told me that it was only 1/2 horsepower and looked like a washing machine motor. He also told me it was the gearing that made it possible to turn the floor of the seating area. The center part did not move. That 33 story building has been closed for a good while but is in the process of being remodeled into a Four Seasons Hotel with condominiums on the upper floors. There is a chef and his wife planning a restaurant in the building. I’m hoping they use the old rotating restaurant / lounge as it location and get it back in motion.

A lot of it depends on tractive effort. At the museum, we have a GP7 that is 1500 hp and will hardly pull 60 storage cars. We also have an SW1500 also 1500 hp and will pull 100 storage cars in the same area, of course, the SW 1500 is heavier. If you all are down near Louisville come see us at the Kentucky Railway Museum.

I’m an engineer at Mt Washington cog railway and we run 600hp John Deere Marine engines to push a roughly 65 passenger coach up the mountain at up to 38% grade at 5mph while the engines run happily at 100% load, hydraulic pumps and motors often get very hot and once the outside air temp gets to around 80 and above we often have to slow down at around the 3/4 mark. Just the right amount for the job! Too much power and you risk yanking the tracks down the mountain. 30,000 foot pounds at each of the 2 powered cog wheels is already slowly shifting the rails and increasing the radius of the turns. Just my perspective from an entirely different form of railroading ;)

In the steel foundry that I worked at, we had gondolas full of steel railroad car wheels and we would mag out the wheels and put them in the bin for use in our furnaces. I used to move the empty gondola out with a bar that they gave us that you stuck under the wheel and pushed down on to move the car. I’d keep doing it over and over you can get it moving pretty fast actually at least out from underneath the crane way and out into the yard.

It’s a common exercise in engineering school (the mechanical kind, not the railroad kind) that you can move a whole train with a washing machine motor with the right gearing and a dozen assumptions about friction and other losses. The point is that it’s not a matter of horsepower, it’s traction and gearing.

As an engineer with 20 years of service… it’s highly likely that the two trailing units were isolated or possibly shut down. Also, if that was the consist then that’s what we go in with. We don’t choose our locomotive consist, we simply use what’s given to us. Think about this, I have a 3 locomotive consist, I separate 1 unit to go in and make a pickup, the result in doing it that way causes 3 extra switch moves to put my train back together which would be very inefficient.

@wilfred8326

2 жыл бұрын

The only reason I could see to break up power, is if a siding wasn't fit for three units like that coupled together.

@brianburns7211

2 жыл бұрын

@@wilfred8326 In that case anything over one wouldn’t work.

Kind funny seeing three gevos pull 4 tank cars with one almost fully inside the building ( :

I witnessed a Wheel Horse garden tractor move cars at a cement plant in upstate NY from a siding to a dock to load the cement on a barge. 1 car at a time, about 30 years ago.

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

Used to see forklifts moving cars but it’s dangerous they would have a guy manning the hand brake on top

Never too much horse power, but appreciate finesse. A long time ago I watched a Green Bay & Western RS-11 work a long sting of stored cars. Each pull would break a few more cars free. Took a few back and forths, but eventually hauled the string of a cars away.

The train in question has lots to do with what power is assigned. A pair of AC4400 will pull the same tonnage as a quartet of SD40s. The difference is that the AC44 pair have 8800hp. The SD40 set have 12000 hp. With the additional horsepower, a given train would be able to sustain higher speeds with the SD40 set. You will notice how BNSF for example might assign 4 C44-9s to an intermodal train. They are designated to have about 3-4 hp/ton. On their bulk trains the HP/ton may be .5-1. In this case having the tractive effort to pull any hill might be the determining factor. I’ve been on trains right at the limit of the tractive rating. With the AC locomotives we were at about 1mph.

I used to work on the NS Keystone Division (Formerly Pittsburgh Division) but NS has a program that gives all locomotives a tonnage rating based on the ruling grade of their intended route. So If I select Conway to Harrisburg (via the Horseshoe curve) it would give me the tonnage rating for each class of locomotive. Locomotives we’re classed from group 1 to group 6. It was an old program that still even showed the ratings for F Units but it worked. So a group 6 on the grades of the Pittsburgh line is good for 5652 Tons but on the flats of the Youngstown line it’s good for 7196 Tons.

@mshum538

2 жыл бұрын

Stoker, your spot on, we carried and maintained tonnage graphs for the different territories and assignments but I’m still trying to figure out what this video has to do with an idle section RR right of way in east columbus that has two crossties replaced, a 39 foot section of rail removed and 2,600 feet of brush removed….did we ever finish scraping and paint the little GE “2021”….please don’t tell me the ETR project has been abandoned…….ms~~~

t very slow yard speeds only 2 to 3 pounds is needed while increasing to about 5 pounds at higher speeds. This force is required to overcome bearing friction, rail deflection, minor flange contact, etc.

2 men, 2 pinch bars some level track. 1 health man equals 1.2 hp (0.89kW) so 2 men = 2.4hp (1.78kW) more than enough to boil a kettle to make a cup of tea. You need 2 men to keep the momentum going. We used to move 100 Ton locomotives with pinch bars when I was an apprentice

@beeble2003

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure where you're getting those figures from. I'm a fairly fit cyclist with a power meter and the longest I've ever managed to put out 1hp for is about 15 seconds.

One Brian power is required to move a freight car, if its loaded give him a cup of his favorite coffee and stand clear.

@tomtucker3193

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but he’ll need a couple of Sliders to get it stopped…

It takes a lot of HP to get a car Started moving and a lot less to keep it moving unless climbing a grade! Overcoming inertia.

I have seen a few systems for moving cars using cables around pulleys with an electric motor. I’m guessing the electric motors were only a few horsepower like 3 to 4 up to 7 or 8. These were use to move cars on a loading rack in chemical plants and one at a saw mill. We would shove the empties in and spot the last car, next to the engine for loading. Once it was loaded the guys working the loading rack would hook the cable to it and move it as far as possible in that track. Then hook the cable to the next empty and spot it for loading. They only moved one or two cars at a time until all the empties were loaded.

Using three six axel units to move 4 tank cars. That’s like using a shot gun to swat flies!

Hmmm. I remember seeing ads long ago for a long prybar that was intended to move railcars--very slowly and on level track, I'd imagine. You'd stick the bar under a wheel and pull down (over and over). So for low speeds and level track very little horsepower would be needed, provided the car was reasonably free-rolling. And the old little Plymouth critters didn't have more horsepower than one of today's pickup trucks.

@alcopower5710

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a video showing an older gentleman using one of those prybar things. Believe it was at a museum.

@jimjohnston7688

2 жыл бұрын

Many, many years ago when I was a young man and the parts were newer and worked better, I worked in a small mill that had rail service. Occasionally we would have to reposition the railcars slightly. I remember using a device similar to what you mentioned. It was a very stout wooden handle a little longer than a shovel handle with two pieces of metal at one end. You would put this contraption against the wheel and the rail so that the handle was on maybe a 30 degree angle and you pushed down and that would move the car a few inches. Difficult but doable. Again a job for a young man (or one tough old man).

@mshum538

2 жыл бұрын

Pinchbar

Good afternoon to all from SE Louisiana 11 Jul 22.

Early in my railroad engineer career, I was on a job that interchanged with UP at their Brooklyn yard. We came out of there with, as I remember, a pair of GP39s (4600 hp total and probably 140,000 lbs of starting tractive effort) and a train of about 12,000 tons. We were fine until we started climbing through Lake Oswego and had to get help from the switch job, who came over to add its power to our consist. Trying to roar through toney Lake Oswego at 5 mph or so at o-dark-thirty was interesting. I've also been on switch jobs a yard with a single switch engine and moved close to 100 cars, building an outbound train. Moved slowly but got 'er done.

At the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum, a felow member and came to the aid of a Conrail derailment adjacent to the Museum's right of way. and moved railcars by hand with car mover "levers" that slide under the wheels: slide it under the wheel and pusn down to move the car. That was just the two of us, one on each rail. So human power can do it with the right tool! (Roller bearings helped!).

I pulled a large Crown Coach school bus off of a freeway ramp with a 1200 cc 1985 Honda Civic . I think it would pull a single loaded freight car. But I would be more concerned on how do you STOP it. Thanks for the video. Jon, on the U.P. Pacific Coast Line, Santa Barbara Sub, M.P. 404.5

I noticed one thing not mentioned is back EMF (Electro Magnetic Force). All electric motors act as generators meaning that the faster they spin the more back EMF is generated until they hit the speed at which point the generator or alternator can't overcome back EMF. This is hugely importent because it affects the overall power curve. A diesel electric starts out with maximum tractive effort and avaiable horsepower but then falls off on a logarithmic curve as speed increases. The above mentioned SD40-2 only has about 380 hp. and 1000 lbs. of tractive effort left at 70mph and will completely stall at 90mph. That's why back in the early days of diesels you would see as many as 15 units put on fast freights. Passenger locomotives were geared higher to raise the stall speed. Back EMF is not an issue with straight electrics because as far as their traction motors are concerned the supply appears infinite. However this also makes them very inefficient. Today's electrical engineers have figured out how to flatten the horsepower curve somewhat through wave form modulation between the alternator and traction motors in effect givig it virtual gearing. Steam locomotives had the problem of having little tractive effort starting out but it and horse power rose as the speed increased until their optimum speed was reached. This speed was determined by driver diameter, boiler pressure, piston stroke and diameter, valve gear and cutoff. Many in management were dismayed to find out it took a lot of diesel units to replace one steam locomotive. So basically a diesel can start a train it can't pull at speed, a steam locomotive can pull a train at speed it can't start by itself and straight electrics can pull virtually any tonnage at their optimum gearing limited only by coupler stength, track condition and traction motor temperature. So how much horse power to move a single car? It depends on car weight, track grade, truck type and bearing style. A simple question turns out to have a very complex answer.

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

catcher is that it took 30 people to maintain 10 steam locomotives whereas it takes 5 people to maintain 10 diesel locomotives, and less prone to breakdown.

@poowg2657

2 жыл бұрын

Rear speaker, you're absolutely right. Steam didn't lose the battle out on the road but in the shops. Another thing going for diesels was that after WWII there was a huge glut of fuel oil production and fuel oil could be had for 16 cents a gallon or less. It was found that diesels used all of their power curve where steam sometimes only used a portion of it. Plus steam locomotives had to be tailored to the type of tonnage hauled and terrain traversed more so than diesels. It'll be interesting to see what motive power evolves in the next few decades but I won't live to see it.

RGVRRM at 3:02 Love to see it. I believe we actually just got that trackmobile running again to loan to a railroad museum in the adirondacks.

I guess it does not need that much horse power really until the numbers of cars plus the load they carry start to mount up. Those small pusher locos looked neat bro. Safe travels

@mischef18

2 жыл бұрын

I see someone in the comments saying they have moved cars on a level track, that is something I have myself done.

Full size engines, like those CSX engines will roll on their own to invisible low spots in the tracks, if the brakes are released and they are allowed to sit for a while. On level track, with patience to wait for them to build momentum, a grown healthy man can move a loaded railcar on his own. It's the starting and stopping that becomes a problem.

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s very dangerous

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

Even an empty car weighs about 80000 lbs

Found out the museum I volunteer at is getting a side rod GE 45 tonner donated for static display. We should hopefully have it by the end of summer or into fall.

If that's a Road Job it's very common to see Two Three even up to Four Units switching Car's. Now with Railroads doing long train's and less Short Line Railroads you are beginning to see a lot of this now. Although Thank God because of the Class I Railroads have forgotten about the smaller companies that Short Lines are starting to come back strong. I'm glad to see this happening because the Class I Railroads have let there heads get to BIG and forgot who made them what they are today. It was all those small business who put them wear they are today...

If the industry is worried about exhaust fumes in their shed or building, the crew spotting the cars for them will reach in with a car or two from their train as buffers and pull the loads out and spot the new empties.

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

Didn’t New York central have tri power locomotives for working the meat packing houses on the high line ?

I’ve always loved trains so much, but never actually put thought into how many engines are needed to move the cars. I’ve always just shown up to help run our local steam locomotive

Correct Answer is “Workforce”. Southwest Airlines CEO said, “Employees are #1” and “Customers #2”. Because without Employees, there Won’t be any Customers.

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

Great video

@royreynolds108

2 жыл бұрын

But without customers, there isn't any need for employees. It is a two-way street.

Maybe explain the difference between a loco, calf and a slug. A lot of old engines were used as slugs toward the end of their life.

Thank you for sharing. ? Not sure.

Do all the math you want --- yesterday I had a hell of a time pushing 3 coaches up a 1% grade in bad weeds all around the track... had to reverse and make several attempts at getting those three coaches into the yard.... finally did it, to couple up with 3 other coaches where they will be stored until we need them again. The coaches were ONR 1409,1408 and 1410, and the locomotive was RS-3 #22

Sometimes we had to reach into a building to spot or pick up a car. It was pretty common to have the engine that went inside dead in tow. On flat level track, one person can push a rail car without much effort. I’ve eve n pushed a locomotive inside the engine house by myself. It’s all about traction, not horsepower. A 6 axle SD type locomotive will pull more than a 4 axle GP unit. Most GP locomotives have a 16 cyl prime mover with 1800 HP. We had a GP-50 with a turbocharged 16 cyl prime mover that was derated from 3600 to 3200 HP. It actually didn’t pull all that well, because with all that horsepower, it wheel slip was a real problem. The SD’s range from 3600 to almost 5000 HP each but that is spread over 6 traction motors. This is why slugs are often found as yard switchers. 3600 HP over 10 or 12 axles will pull just as good as two separate locomotives. Generally one locomotive of 1800 HP is plenty to move any train in the yard. More units are added for the road both to keep the speed up on hills, add to the compressed air availability for the brakes and provide a little redundancy in the event of s mechanical problem on the road. With multiple head end units, tge crew will often shut down one or more enroute when they are on flat land vs in the mountains, so as to save fuel. At one point, we had a GP15 switcher with a 12 cyl prime mover, 1200 HP. That could easily move a string of 100 cars when switching.

adhesion also helps .

If he's a mainline local, then it's common when switching a industrial lead, provided there is no restrictive movement ( tight curve, height/clearance limit, rail weight limits), or having to use idler cars ( boxcar, flats) to switch a hazardous area (propane, flour mill, ect...). Since the Class1 railroads are focusing only on high comonities (coal, piggly back), to which they have been purging their rosters of four axle diesels and focusing mainly with high horsepower six axles to handle those big dollar trains. That, and the elimination of secondary and light density branch lines have made buying four axle medium power almost extinct. When I was an engineer, I would take my power into industries if no restrictions were in my book, and would isolate any extra units just to keep any excess smoke or spark dangers in a industry to a minimum. Some industries I did in my railroad years could only take a four axle unit, so we usually had that unit on the head as lead and we would cut off from the other units on the main/siding to go switch and then re-assemble the train and move it on down the line to the next one. Still, if I was given enough units, I would use them just to keep from slowing down on those steep grades, except if I had GE's in my bunch, then those I would isolate/shut down those junk piles if my train wasn't too heavy. Gotta love those EMD's!

All the horsepowers !!

Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 11 July 22.

@tabomst3k851

2 жыл бұрын

Good morning bill from Chicago.

If we assume that one car (a heavy duty flatcar) weighs 70T, and has 3 axles per truck (I'm using the German Ssyms 80ton flatcar as my example), and is NOT loaded, then maybe 25-30HP, If it was loaded with 4 steel coils, each weighing in at 5-6 tons each, then 35 at most. But then we also got to figure in rolling resistance, track condition, and any possible defects on the wheels. I would have gone with the Tiger example....but I don't want to blow a transmission (Tiger and Panther tanks had transmission issues).

Changes over the last 10 years have resulted in more and more of these massive 6 axles doing switching work. I don’t get why they’d risk derailment of these given the lines were never built for 500,000lbs locos

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

they are trying to keep the track crews busy too.

@beeble2003

2 жыл бұрын

Because, aside from gensets, nobody's built a 4-axle road switcher in North America since the mid-90s.

@gdrriley420

2 жыл бұрын

@@beeble2003 that doesn’t matter there’s so many older GP frames you can rebuild them

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

@@beeble2003 no real new switcher has been built since 1986, the SW1001.

We use a hudson to move up to 13 wagons at a time a train wheal got a very small area on the rail making it rather easy to move a wagon butt one must have enough horsepower to pull up hill and enough weight and braking power to slow down wagons down hill our trains are from 2km long a 3000hp old locomotive pulling 100 wagons

Nope, the ETR’s most valuable commodity is it’s people; that’s gotta come first, or everything else will come last (including bankruptcy.)

I found the equation to calculate horsepower: HP = torque X RPM / 5252. I have no idea what or where the 5,252 is or came from.

But did you see how fast/smooth those cars pulled out?

I remember seeing a video long ago of a guy pulling a box car with his teeth

I saw a man pull 3 rail cars while in a harness, so it can't be much.

A 10HP engine on a track inspection cart can move an empty car on near level ground, I have seen it done at the Trolley museum of New York in Kingston NY

on level rail, brakes released, less than 1hp. i have started a car rolling by myself with only a spike bar!

Wheel-rail adhesion is was just as much a factor. Consider this: BNSF uses A-B-A sets of SD40-2s to work the hump in Galesburg, while NS used an SD40 mated to two slugs. Both have 18 traction motors, but NS is using 3000hp while BNSF is using three times that. So if you're not worried about your top speed, you don't need a high hpt.

@ernestpassaro9663

2 жыл бұрын

It sort of like a barge on the river much less friction used to push barges with my legs on land you couldn’t budge them !

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

BNSF, home of the only SD40-2 B- units in existence!

Takes 1 man power to move 1 rail car if brakes were off

I actually watched 1 man moving a rail car by hand with a bar at a factory. So 1 man power can move a railcar. Not very fast, and maybe not that far.. But it was done.

Technically, you don't need any horsepower... If you have a big enough bar, you can move the world! We used to have an industry who received box cars and from time to time the cars would be spotted wrong, fouling our inspection track. We would take the handbrake off and with a 8' prybar we'd apply pressure under a wheel, and nudge it down the rails.

@billmorris2613

2 жыл бұрын

Technically the part of your comment, “We’d apply pressure,” is the horsepower. If all you did was to place the pry bar under the wheel, nothing would move. It’s going to take force applied to the pry bar before the car moves. That force is the horsepower and can be measured with the proper instruments measuring the amount of force applied to the pry bar.

@erict5234

2 жыл бұрын

@@billmorris2613 Bill, you sir are correct!!! I guess I never looked at it like that. Mechanical force in lbs can be converted to horsepower in some sort of equation, but unfortunately I am a railroader and that is above my skill set!

@billmorris2613

2 жыл бұрын

Eric T Which railroad and what was your job title. I am also a railroader, a retired UP road engineer out of New Orleans. I learned some of this in high school, but mostly from my Air Force and second career in aviation as both a Commercial Pilot, Flight Engineer, and Aircraft Mechanic. But I never had to use any of it in the performance of my railroad or aviation duties.

@erict5234

2 жыл бұрын

@@billmorris2613 I am also at the UP, 19 years as a carman in SE WI... I have talked to you before! I as well have an aviation background as well... Before coming to the railroad I worked for several airlines as a ground handler / ramp supervisor and then started an A&P apprenticeship before the airline went under. I do miss the airlines, but the railroad has always paid the bills!

@billmorris2613

2 жыл бұрын

Eric T I thought so, I recognized you name. I almost stayed in the Air Force. But I’m glad I got out when I did. When I got back to New Orleans I found out the Air Force Reserves needed flight engineers for the C-130s that was stationed at he Belle Chase Naval Air Station just south of New Orleans. I was a crew chief on C-130s in the Regular AF. The railroad I went to work for would make up the difference in earnings any time we missed work for AF Reserves duties. As a flight crew member we did not just go in one weekend a month and two weeks during the summer. I would fly 4 to 5 missions a month. About half were multi day missions 2 to 5 days. After I retired from the UP I joined the Coast Guard Auxiliary. It is similar to the Air Force Civil Air Patrol. We flew our own aircraft for such missions as Search and Rescue, chasing parts for the helicopters, coastal patrol looking for oil spills, and shuttling officers to other CG bases for meeting, etc, etc.

What's with the 1970s CB echo?

52 to move a rail car. Depending on the grade

But do you have track rights to go onto csx lines? That be the question

1 hp and that might be a road freight that might be picking up to save time

your first statement of, "filling the shop inside with deisel smoke" is the weightiest cause. workers within need not be poisoned with those fumes. Was #750 deisel running? when it comes to working industrial, they don't want you get smashed, burned or chopped but industrial poisoning is all day.

Those 3 CSX units are more like 13,200 HP

I don't know what math needs to be done to figure out the answer, so I'm just gonna guess 8hp to move an empty car like that covered hopper.

Ccrx 6700 on you tube in Ohio looks like they have used ties

Well I know that it doesn’t take very much horsepower to move a car because one guy can move a car you see it sometimes in strong man competitions. Of course that’s not very fast and I doubt you could do a grade, but just to move it could probably only be a couple hp.

I say about 70 horsepower will do or 100 horsepower!!!

um isn't 3 AC4400CW locomotives or AC6000CW locomotives cause both the AC4400CW and the AC6000CW locomotives look the same a little over the top for a switching job i think one little switcher could do the job.

@beeble2003

2 жыл бұрын

The local will have more work to do than switching just that one industry.

To answer your question without regard to the video, wasn't it Archimedes who said if you have a long enough lever you could move the world? I saw a video of a man with a hand rail car mover move a caboose about two feet into position for display at a museum. Maybe the answer to your question is that people move rail cars, not horses, although I saw a Budweiser commercial where one of their horses was pulling a railcar, so maybe it is horses after all. I know this is not the answer you were looking for, so I will pass on the coffee and donut, and maybe just leave you with a chuckle. Thanks anyway.

10hp

Present. (10 min later) 🤚May I go to the bathroom?

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

If you are old sit at the back near the men's room....but then you cant hear. Problems.

1 hp. per ton.

I'd be willing to guess those are empty cars for the simple reason that they have the Chemtrec in case of emergency stickers and have NO Plackards.

@beeble2003

2 жыл бұрын

Empty cars are still required to carry placards unless they've been purged, which they usually aren't, except before loading with a different commodity. Most likely, they have the Chemtrec markings because they sometimes carry hazmat and sometimes don't.

@jimsmith4205

2 жыл бұрын

@@beeble2003 Thanks for agreeing they are empty, either that or they have not passed the required Federal inspection before being pulled.

@beeble2003

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimsmith4205 I'm not agreeing with you! the presence or absence of placards says nothing about whether the cars are loaded or empty. A car carrying placards could be an un-purged empty. A car that is not carrying placards could be loaded with a non-hazardous substance. Placard does not mean loaded. No placard does not mean empty.

@mshum538

2 жыл бұрын

@@beeble2003 Back when I was working a car was considered a “residue” car when empty still containing trace amounts…..and still had special train placement requirements…..👍

40 hp can move a freight car

I think it was entirely nessasary to use three six axle locomotives to move thoese 4 cars. They where realy heavy as you saw they where loaded.

@BattleshipOrion

2 жыл бұрын

Or, more effective, and not taking power out of were it's needed, a single Geep, or mother-slug/master-slave set would move the 4 no problem, and thats 3 more road units, where they are needed, and 2 less broken knuckles.

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@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Wade Nice job, take two donuts if you want. B.

@MP_67_Productions

2 жыл бұрын

@@eastterminalrailway5975 why not White Castle sliders? Lol

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Next meeting, good idea!

just stick to the railroad work. I just skipped this vid