You have a terrific channel. Your information on the logistics of operating a smaller railroad are excellent. Thanks for all you do ! Bill S.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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William Thank you so much, my goal is to keep it real, to succeed, and to take this journey with people that wouldn't have the chance to do this on their own. Brian

@wilfred8326

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@@eastterminalrailway5975 Brian I am glad you are thanking us at your RR "nation" .... We are here and along for the ride. Many of us have worked or wayched the transportation or logistics industry in some form for a # of years. We are happy to share advise, and offer leads which could lead to success.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Wilfred I am moved by all the advice and how much you all care. Brian

@jenniferwhitewolf3784

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Enjoying the inside look and education you are doing.

Evening Brian. First of all God bless Queen Elizebeth & RIP. Really pleased that things might happened at the ETR 👍🏻 Cheers Stevie 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Don’t worry about showing trains I love learning about the behind the scenes of the railroad

@michaelcefaratti539

Жыл бұрын

Exactly Plenty of other places to watch Train videos already. I'd rather watch and learn here And see this Railroad build up and be successful 👍

Taking on the role of salesman is key. Without sales nothing else matters and with sales you can get banks and/or investors interested in helping you expand and diversify. Great video...

@eastterminalrailway5975

Жыл бұрын

Thank You, I'll be pounding the streets. Brian

From many of the comments mentioned here, I totally agree! NEVER GIVE UP!

Push liability away whenever possible. I think you can safely put dunnage on the flatbeds before you load them. But, load securement should be 100% on the trucker. They should furnish and install whatever it is they're going to use to tie down the loads. Yes, their ultimately responsible. But, you don't even want to be partly responsible. You can start renting an excavator or whatever you decide you need while you are getting started. It gives you flexibility while you are ramping up. Maybe you discover you need a bigger one or more than one. You can buy equipment with plenty of value left in them at the auction. But, if you have an equipment failure, nobody wants to hear that you're going to be down for a week while you diagnose the problem and wait for parts. "Hello rental company? Your excavator is blowing white smoke. Bring me another one!" If you want to use your own fleet you're going to need to have extra equipment on hot standby. Remember that nobody cares that "you tried" since you were in high school.

@kc8rbk73

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Preloading flatbed like that will definitely present an issue. Slinky coils are dangerous anyway you handle them. They 100% can't be moved in anyway until secured but as a trucker myself I do not like anyone securing my loads besides me. I want to do it myself so I know it's done correctly with reliable straps or chains. Usually whe we load that type of coil we have to assist the loading crew to get the on the trailer properly.

@racefan2267

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I second that on rental. With this being a KZread channel it could potentially be an opportunity for them to provide one for free advertising or at a discounted rate. That’s what everyone is doing now on these channels, so everyone can see a real world person using it vs some actor or athlete that doesn’t know the difference between a track loader and a wheel loader.

@fredygump5578

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I believe the driver is always responsible for making sure his load is properly secured. The DOT doesn't care if someone else loaded it--the driver is the one pulling it down the road. Same way the DOT doesn't care if your dispatcher won't give you time to repair a defect--you are driving it, so you are responsible for it. End of story.

@johnnyhunter4345

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maybe start thinking about insurances cost and control of your company also.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Johnny Insurance is on this weeks to do list! Thanks for following. B.

Brian: This is an exciting idea, but questions come to mind: 1) Will the coils become magnetized if they are lifted by a magnet? Will that matter to the end-user of the coils? 2) Will a tracked vehicle running all over the property soon have the ground a mess? Wet weather on top of that at times? Semi-trailers turning (plowing) around on their own radius? You've already got some very wet areas on the place. Paving isn't cheap...........

Your three recommendations were awesome. Danny is definitely the granddaddy of them all.

This is fantastic news! In the words of Dr.Frankenstein " It's alive"!!

As always looking forward the the next "*ETR NATION MEETING "**& STARING BRAIN AND GRANT...."KINGS OF THE NATION OF TRANSLOADS FACILITIES "**

Thanks for the Roast beef sandwich really hits the spot. As for the magnet you may want to check with the customer if that is acceptable as the steel may become magnetized also with the product not being a flat surface it may not work out. I would lean more towards the excavator with a specialty attachment similar to a clamshell but use 2 large rods that would come in from each side of the coil. As for a Gantry crane that is an expensive setup and limits your work area. Plus you would have a lot more options to use the excavator for other projects.

@firecwby1999

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This is a very good point

You are doing great things and you have always kept your channel family friendly and I always come to watch and learn new things and sometimes get a little laugh. Don’t give up or lose heart it can get tough and hard but there’s always a beautiful sky after a storm. Prayers from my family to yours and your dream.

Oh forgot to thank you for the delicious cheese burger, soup, milk,....darn...forgot my apple pie 🥧😋😀😍

After being around a tank area construction operation, I have seen the most flexibility with a traveling (on rails) an overhead crane, with an magnet. This unit had horizontal as well as lateral movement across the loading/unloading rails. The span would allow for several flatbed trailers side by side and end to end. One man operation. Good luck.

Excellent beginning love how you call out the complainers You want Trains? Go to these three Which are excellent suggestions. Plus the guy in the UP Overhead is great, but yes must be fixed in place. Too limiting. Can’t wait to see if the magnet works. Congrats on staying positive and engaged in your mission. We are all pulling for you..

I am glad that I was able to catch this edition of E.T.R. I would say to go ahead and get the bigger lift. Take two pieces of rectangular steel tubing that are the length of the forks and weld them together. Get a double walled steel pipe that is twice the length of the forks and weld it onto the middle of the rectangular tubing. Weld a half moon cap on the end of the pipe. Now you can pick the coils up from the center and put them right on the trucks. You can slide that attachment off to use the forks. Charter Steel in Sackville, WI. uses this method all the time. Please let me know what you think 🤔!

I'm not sure using the magnet will be the best solution, but I assume you will try it out to see for yourself. I would strongly recommend adding extra weight inside the coils for your test. Maybe an extra 1000 pounds or so. You need a factor of safety to make sure the magnet can reliably lift a coil each and every time. If it works without any extra weight, you won't know how close you are to it dropping the coil, which is what you want to avoid at all costs. If it works with the extra weight, then you can feel a bit better about the magnet's ability to consistently hold onto a coil during routine use. Love the channel! Been with you since the start. I wish you all the success in the world!

Don't forget to have a backup way of unloading when your primary breaks down. People today are unforgiving about delays.

the meat of rail freight matter, Brian.... good luck.... and thank you for the progress reports..... oorah!

white castle behind you ❤❤❤❤❤

Your making a dream a reality and I check in just to make sure you don't give up and quit because the going got ruff ,

I’m absolutely positive that it’s going to take more than Brian and gram to accomplish this task

magnetic fields are like circuits, you want to conduct that field to where you need it. Since coils are cylinder shaped, you will probably want two pieces of steel spreading the field out along the coil, which are more form fitting around the top of the coil. Make sure you don't "short" the field by having steel between the two pieces, you want the magnetic field to go from one pole of the magnet, to the first spreader bar, through the coil, through the second spreader bar, and back into the other pole of the magnet. That should greatly increase the strength of the magnet on coils

I don't know anything about industrial material handling, but I find myself thinking that the big magnet is the way to go. Best wishes for a good outcome, whatever you decide to do.

I really enjoy your channel. I'm from the Pacific NW where the logging industry is strong. The industry uses a number of cranes and loaders in the mills to transport large bundles of logs. Two KZread videos the show a couple types of equipment used in the industry, Of interest is "How to load a log trailer using a trailer loader" and "log truck loading". Hope this gives you some ideas to make your adventure successful. Stay strong and God bless.

During my working years, I always worked for other people, but now that I am retired, I am starting my own business. I am doing things backwards--or maybe forwards. My retirement years are my wealth-building years. I was given some great advice. My mentor told me that most people do things backwards. He said, people make a big mistake by working on the product, then advertising and then shipping, and then when they get a huge number of orders, they can't ship them. The idea is to have the shipping department set up first, then the production and then the advertising. I watch your videos to learn about shipping my products so I can expand. I had to chuckle when I watched this video. You were worried about not having enough business and now you are going to be putting in long days. You can handle the glitches as they come, and you are providing a living for your family and a service to your community. You got it right.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks Karen we are on the same path. B.

Excellent! Jaw Tooth is my favorite, I often watch the others as well! 🤩

Giving yourself options is the way ahead bro. Safe travels

Great show very educational

I think a rented tracked as you seem to be gravitating towards is your best option, especially as a start up. You don't want tie up a ton of capital in gantry crane that will be inflexible and a maintenance headache. Plus last time I checked winter still comes around once a year and a device like that seems like a liability in the snow and ice. Also what happens when you have to change gears to service new customers and products? You have a big investment that is unmoving. Flexibility and low down time are key, especially if you're planning loading 5 to 8 trailers a day. Best of luck from another small family business!

@fredygump5578

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good idea. Renting lowers the risk/ initial investment drastically. He can test different options too.

Good to see you back again. Arbys was a good location for showing off White Castles! Id like to see the 2021 in White Castle colors! Love watching where you are heading. Keep the videos coming.

Great news! I would love to see you and yr son succeed in yr endeavor. Hope the magnet can lift the coil, itl be a great thing. All the best. Good day!!

I would say a material handler would be the best way to go. this way it gives you the ability to move around the yard and then leaves you options for loading/unloading other materials with different attachments on the end of the boom. It will also give you good visibility over what your doing since the cab sits high up and some can even raise up higher once your in it. Then it makes things a little bit safer and can keep others out of the danger zones.

Great prospects! I'd at least get a design and a quote for a gantry bridging two tracks and the truckway. Get the planning permissions in, too. Then, if this works, you can increase capacity quickly. Good luck!

Sounds like you are making a good adjustment! Thanks for the video.

Greetings from Tennessee. I know my suggestion is a big financial step, but if you are going to do this as a full time gig, get a salvaged gantry crane. If the magnet works then you have a viable back up incase something goes wrong with the crane. Something along the lines of a Progressive boom with a 7 1/2 ton Shaw box. Yes it's a large upfront cost, but you can write it off as a business expense. If the gondola sides are low enough, I would use a coil lift attachment. Best of luck with the venture and God bless you all.

Thanks for the update. Waiting for more

Love your show very educational

I'd say fixed gantry, bolted to a concrete foundation, spanning one track and a road trailer parking spot. Move the cars with the 2021 back and forth, pick the loads with either a magnet (for coils) or some sort of beam (for the long ones), drop them in the trailer - done. I think it's the sturdiest solution, minimum risk for people and, if you ever want to relocate it, you only "lose" the concrete foundation. Go ETR! 🙂🙂

Love ETR by the way, good luck in the steel business!!!

You know that this might not be what you wanted but God had other plans. God calls the shots I always say. Bless you brother.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Steve Thank you, I'm already on board, but it did take some adjustment! Brian

I'm imagining an overhead crane system from a out of business steel yard.

I think you need to think about concrete. You're going to need a large slab to get this work done. Think rain , snow.

I already have been subbed to all those guys, im here for the education. For that, I thank you sir.

I helped unload flat cars with a over head crane on wheels . It was safe and easy to move around and transfer loads to trucks was easy also.

Just scrolled by your channel, here to see what you’re about. You listed 2 out of 3 channels I love.

I'm so happy to see you with a smile! We're behind you and Mrs. ETR with good thoughts and very best wishes! As you redefine your ideas and processes, only positivity will follow with your great outlook. Blessings to you and the ETR! Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

I see mijack over by my house in Chicago Heights. It’s a trans load facility that used to be Thrall Car Plant #1. They use the MIJack and unload steel plate, coil , rebar. Drives all over the yard to access product

THANKS BOSS I LOVE YOU AND YOUR CONTENT

You can get 'long stick' equipped standard excavators, probably lower cost than a 'material handler' type as they are more abundant. Then it could be also used as an excavator if needed for digging, etc. Multi-use equipment is nice for cost savings with a smaller operation.

I’m glad to hear you’ve made substantial progress. It’s good things are lining up for you. Sure sounds like some great prospects. Hey I appreciate your recommendations on train channels but I’m here to see the ETR up and running. Those are great channels though. I watch and love all of them. Well take care and thanks for the sandwich. 👍❤️🙏

I go to JT, DH & WWoT for trains. I go to ETR because I want to see you succeed.

I was going to suggest that overhead crane from a building but someone beat me to it. The nice thing about that is it is supported on both ends, much more stable. Whatever way you go I would suggest getting some form of pad or pavement down for the crane/loader to be on. Having a smooth level surface will really help with speed and safety, not to mention avoiding the mud when it rains.

@royreynolds108

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If you put down a gravel or crushed rock surface, go with 3/8 or 1/2 inch to dust, spread it out, and compact it. It will be like concrete.

One thing I would invest in. Small investment that can go MILES BEYOND where your RAILS reach, BUSINESS CARDS! YOU are your sales team. Mrs. ETR is too. When she goes antiquing etc, tell her to look for businesses that could potentially benefit from rail delivery that don't have sidings.... Graham too.

Diesel Creek and Waldo's World have posted videos of buying big machines (excavators/track hoes) on the cheap because the average guy cannot use them. I think a big excavator with the right attachment would be a great multi-function tool for ETR. A material handler would limit you. Great job and look forward to the next video. Maybe when the weather clears, we can tailgate at the White Castle.

Tracked Material Handler !

Used 4 wheel all terrain Grove crane with a spreader and nylon lift straps should cover all of your bases. Or install a jib crane and use your switcher to move the cars to the crane.

Always go with over-kill equipment. It's much safer and easier on maintenance costs in the long run. Over-kill equipment will future-proof increased demand for tonnage requirements as you grow.

@fredygump5578

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I always think I am doing the over-kill option, and it usually ends up being just barely good enough!

@wilfred8326

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Overall, I think that the 🔑 word in the equation is "kill".... If you don't invest in a piece of equipment that has the capability/capacity "someone might be killed"....(i.e. there might be an accident)

Yes, for sure Mr. JT is GREAT! Has a great sense of humor and he's just fun to watch.

The magnet idea is good but probably won't get enough 'grip" without it trying to lift the gondola car.

I just can't get enough of East Terminal Railway videos!

worked at a scrap yard for 5 years. magnets are handy tools the down side they can only pick up so much. now looking at the 942 libehier it has the lines for a grapple claw. A two jaw claw meant for cars would work on the roll.

Sounds encouraging!

Get a material handler. also build up a loading ramp to provide a better reach and view for the operator. place the ramp along the line where the flatcar/ gondola is on one side and the trailer and truck on the road side. this would maximize lifting capacity for the loader. Build a lift pad for fork trucks on the opposite side of the track. This would provide the most versatility for handling loads that are non magnetic, such as timber, precast concrete girders/piles, and structural composite materials.

@johnnyhunter4345

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with time...

If you do decide on getting that tracked " long arm" excavator you can add another commodity ( those green pipes) and get one of those vacuum attachments for that excavator..

Not sure if these two have been listed yet. But in addition to DIB and Jawtooth. The Railroad Tie Spiker is all trains, local stuff in Ohio and Indiana, no commentary. And for the south, there's The Roaming Railfan...primarily Florida East Coast, and a lot of videos of the Brightline construction progress of passenger rail from Orlando to South Florida, including a few videos where he went to Siemens in California to see the Brightline locomotives and passenger cars being built.

Brain glad you're back on your feet.Yes I think a excavator would fit the ticket. I believe that the fork lift would require very hard packed level surface or concrete. the excavator can go where it wants A gantry crane would work too it you had the room. Please stay positive 🙏 & keep us posted 👍👍🚂

Virtual railfan has webcams around the country and does a 20 min. compilation daily.

Oh wow keep up the great work

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Chris...always here! Thank You! B.

Coils will not give you enough surface contact area for a magnet of any kind! I was thinking of scissor hooks like used in the logging industry, but adapt them to use on the coils! Great idea though for becoming a bulk material transition loading/unloading area! 👏🏽 👍🏼☺

Your best bet would be a crane with an “L” hook which would allow you to handle the rod-wire and steel coils safely. I used to do this at a dedicated facility called a crane way, which was a permanent-mounted crane, but it worked very well. Perhaps you could locate a mobile crane which could serve your purpose.

A large forklift with a special made arm to go into the coil. They make these special arms for coils. The crane on rails would work great. Have it wide enough to put the trailer between the crane and gondolas so you can pick from the gondola and put them right on the trailer. Maybe have a yard truck to move the trailers around. Truck comes in empty drops trailer on one side the yard goes to the other side and picks up a full trailer while the yard truck moves them to be loaded. I really don't think a magnet will work or is safe enough to hold on to a coil while swinging. The speeder bar to pick up long floppy rebar can be used with a forklift would work good. A material handler with special made clamp that goes inside the coils that's made not to damage the coils. Different attachments for the material handler for different products.

Sounds like an excavator type crawler would be ideal. Have different attachments for different applications.

Progress. With 25K subbers, and inviting suggestions on your blog, that can be priceless. Keep up the great work, both physical and mental. Cheers, Bob

A hooked grapple on a material handler would also work and be removable for the spreader bar

Thank you for sharing.👍👀

glad to see things looking up we have faith in you could you show a video of how they load the coils in the rail cars might give an Idea how to unload

@jerrys9226

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Yeah, that’s what I was going to say too. Just copy what they do to load them.

Keep up the great work Brian.The ETR is getting into better shape everyday.Cant wait to see you hauling gondolas and flats loaded with steel.Thankyou.

DIB and DH are professionally done channels. Good research, variety and well edited.

Excited to see the ETR evolve and explore new business ideas. I think you’re really onto something and those rails will soon see cars on a regular basis!!

Those "coils" have no flat spot. The magnet needs surface area & thickness to pick up those steel objects. I am not a "rail fan", I am a track fan. I worked on the roadbed for 37 years dodging trains. Keep up the great work & the very best of luck.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Huge respect, thanks for following. B.

I have to go back to my suggestion of an overhead crane. Travel of an overhead crane, let's say, is on an x/y axis, as long as you need and wide enough to accommodate a rail car(s) and trailer(s) side by side, and, of course as high as neccessary. Such cranes may be available used. Matt from Diesel Creek bought one used at a Richie Brothers austion. Although, he said it's too big for his new shop building.

Total agreement with your content.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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First To Arbys! Get an extra samich! Thanks Jester. B.

Interesting good luck going forward guys. Praying it works out.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thank you!

with a magnet, you can't lift non-magnetics like aluminum. An bucket loader with attachments (fork and straps). You can also use it for track maintenance, so you can fill 2 needs. Also, there are forklifts designed to lift/move containers. I really think you will have the most utility with a bucket loader for both weight and flexibility

It seems like you could use an excavator with one of those C shaped things they pickup sheet coils with. Just as long as you'd have room to hook the first one. In that case you wouldn't need anyone inside the gon aside from possibly helping direct the operator if their vision is obstructed. Still they wouldn't need to be in the car just at an angle they could see to help direct the machine. There's a place we haul slinky coils for here in Michigan. I hate hauling those things, thankfully that's not my job but I'd love to get that stuff on a rail even though it would eliminate some of our business. The place we load the coils and bars out west ships railcars via ns and up. The place we deliver has sidings off a short line that's partnered with ns but for whatever reason they've not put 2 and 2 together. It's very possibly the same issues you're talking about. Their siding is set up for the previous occupant of that facility who received boxcar traffic. That doesn't really lend itself to unloading gons or bulkhead flatcars. I think a situation like that creates opportunity for an operation like yours where you could bridge the gap, save them money and still profit off the savings. I probably should have taken some business classes so I could get into that sort of business instead of getting a cdl. Being in this part of the business I see many opportunities but lack the knowledge or capital to seize them.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Good info, the material handler with the c hook would keep people out of the Gon. Brian

@vttrucker

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@@eastterminalrailway5975 the excavator or material handler is the way to go for the coils. The magnet I see as a problem for precise loading. Not sure but just seems like not as much control. With the excavator with the C hook you precisely load and unload. You have to find out how they like them loaded on the trucks. Plus the magnet limits you to just magnetic materials. If you have a quick coupler on the excavator you can buy or build different attachments that will be specific to different materials you might unload. With a big material handler or excavator and a good size forklift or a big lull you should be all set. Good luck. Love seeing your progress and glad you are pushing forward.

@jongipson4643

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kzread.info/dash/bejne/a3qB2aSCidrNnsY.html This C shaped unloaded mounted on the excavator type machine would be best, in my opinion. No people in gons, and less damage to material. The C-hook could even be modified some for less damage, and could be made in house. Cheap and simple always best

@kthompmke

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I can’t tell you how much I want to see you make this all come together and you can start making a profit. You are without a doubt my favorite channel and always look forward to your next video.

Another great video! I like the way this is going, and I think you'll do great in this. The very best of luck to you!

I suggest that the 'yard' infrastructure come first, as much as possible. As big a concrete pad as you can manage as work area, fencing where needed or practical, night time security lighting, and a decent parking area for any helpers or employees, and equipment parking. Gee.....I LOVE spending OPM! What type highway access will trucks have to the yard? Maneuvering space while IN the yard? Are you contemplating any name change? Good luck and Godspeed!

There are just a handful of channels that are must see and yours is on top on the list. I'm very happy when I get a notification from you. Praying for you that you get your Railroad Running. Take Care.

Running trains is fun to watch (or do) but there's a whole mountain of logistics, maintenance, etc. that go with it. Seeing how everything is put together to make it work is informative. As to being a short line or transloading, I see starting out transloading steel as a "foot in the door" to more opportunities down the road.

When I want trains I go Jaw Tooth and company. I look forward to ETR videos to see as the first video stated if a father and son team can revive a railroad and make a go of it.

Check out what Leggett & Platt of Carthage Missouri use to unload Gondola cars and truck coil wire loads.

Great problem solving… expanding visions…. For survival and developing mental confidence.

Brian, you are on the right track my old friend. Their replacing the Cape Cod canal bridges and need a lot of steel. Both new spans are 9 lanes each. 3 lanes both direction. With the right lane as an off ramp and on ramp. The two middle lanes go straight through. The project is expected to be completed by 2026. When they carefully cut up the two excising bridges they can not implode them, because it would block the canal. So, all the old scrap steel and other materials are being shipped out by rail. If memory serves me right those electric magnets are used my scrap yards with a crane to lift cars up and drop them in the car crusher, or the metal baler.

I love watching your channel. Thank you for making them and please keep up the great work.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thank you! Will do!

@Sicorius

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@@eastterminalrailway5975 you could use a boat crane in the yard, they have big wheels and might be a good fit

Keep up the great work Brian. Sounds like your hard work is about to payoff.

Look into an articulated front end loader with the bucket replaced with forks, probably cheaper than a large fork lift and good cross country maneuverability.

So damn glad to see that smile Brian and so excited to see the range of possibilities before you. No specific knowledge of material handling, but as a safety advisor I can only agree 100% with your desire to keep cargo and personnel separate. My gut feeling goes with a heavy duty forklift with single tine for coil, forks for sheet/beams and a bit of levelling of the yard. Flexibility, versatility and safety. Go ETR

My vote is for a tracked machine. I recently fabricated a simple grapple attachment for a 250 excavator to lift and place odd size sections of sea container (so no corner pocket lift points) for use in building prefab homes. It worked perfectly and was not expensive to make. A smooth jaw grapple or horizontal spike could retrieve the coils from the gondola without second man. Thanks for the update. I love following your journey.

@eastterminalrailway5975

Жыл бұрын

Thank You for following. B.

A good idea for unloading the coils is to have the cab of the equipment that you are unloading with is that higher than the equipment that you are unloading so that they driver can see inside of the car