Radical Hill Colorado Trail Guide | Stock Jeep, Touareg, Cherokee

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

We take on a Radical Hill with a stock Jeep Wrangler, and lightly modified VW Touareg and Cherokee. Radical Hill is a Summit County Off-Road trail, some consider it the most challenging in the area. It has rock obstacles, steep loose climbs, enough wetness to make your tires lose grip, narrow sketchy shelf roads with a decent off camber lean towards the cliff's edge. Funtreks and TrailsOffroad give it a difficult or difficult/severe rating.
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Timestamps:
Intro: 0:00
Trail from the sky: 0:11
How to get here: 0:37
Our 1st Test/Vehicle Info: 1:11
Summit Co Views during a brief reprieve: 2:56
It gets Rough: 3:30
Rad Hill in the fog: 4:30
Long Steep Climb: 5:15
Rock Obstacle #1: 5:45
Cherokee's Turn: 6:18
Touareg"s Turn: 6:45
Dewie Fails: 7:52
Rock Obstacle #2: 10:25
Old Cabin: 12:40
Rough Shelf Road: 13:17
It gets tippy: 14:45
It gets worse? 15:32
The top... its ok: 16:35
Trail review: 17:30
Trail Break Down, not breakdown: 18:20
Other Summit Trails: 19:02
Drivers:
Zach: 1996 Jeep Cherokee XJ, 3 in lift, 31.7in MTs. IG: @Chaotic_Colorado
Sam: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg, 2.5in lift, 32.1in ATs. IG @iamsambowambo
Dewie Jones: 2021 Jeep Wrangler JLR - Stock no lift and 33in MTs. IG: @dewiejones
Channel Info:
My name is Dewie Jones and I’m the reluctant host, videographer, and video editor for the channel. I’ve daily driven a wrangler my entire driving life starting with a 1997 TJ, most recently a ten year old 2012 JK, and now new 2021 JL. I like the challenge of driving a stock wrangler on tough trails. My buds are not new to wheeling either, but for their own specific reasons, now wheel aggressive SUV based off-roaders like Cherokees, 4Runners, Land Cruisers, VW Touregs, and Renegades. We decided Colorado Mallcrawlers was a funny name so that's how we got here.
Additionally, just created this skiing channel, Colorado Plankers (aka skiers). The skiing content I once published here is getting a lot of new viewers so I we started this. Mallcrawlers will continue to publish off-road videos and hopefully they'll get even better from making more content on skiing.
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  • @qmmt9786
    @qmmt9786 Жыл бұрын

    Man this video is such a great example of why airing down makes such a difference. That was an awesome comparison.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Very true, but most of the time, you don’t need it. I’m going to make a video on airing down in the future.

  • @sherri082772
    @sherri0827722 жыл бұрын

    I didnt want video to end, cant wait for more, great editing!!!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Glad you liked it and I’m working on my editing so I’m glad it shows!

  • @jeremyoliver
    @jeremyoliver2 жыл бұрын

    13:48... Majestic! Love this channel. I've been looking for a channel with stock SUVs. Every other channel has jeeps with $30+K of add-ons that most can't or don't want to afford. Also the trail guides are amazing and love the little info boxes in the corners of the video. I also like the split screens with different camera angles. Subscribed and keep up the good work!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! I really appreciate hearing that. Have one more non trail guide coming next (the KL recovery, then it’ll be back to publishing trail guides! Welcome to the channel!

  • @rsdaarud
    @rsdaarud2 жыл бұрын

    Probably not put my 80" Tundra on this baby!! Excellent video DJ!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Whoa, yeah probably not even tho that’s a sweet ride! Thanks for watching!

  • @JeepinBailey
    @JeepinBailey2 жыл бұрын

    Great review! 👍🏻 for airing down.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @knightscape
    @knightscape Жыл бұрын

    Those golden hour shots up top are gorgeous!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I’ve been trying to get back up there to get some more… I love it up there. Thanks for watching!

  • @wildepic1567
    @wildepic15679 ай бұрын

    The sketchiest part of leaning away from the cliff on those switchbacks is the fact that the road appears to be mostly mud, which is terrifying in those situations 🤙🏼

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    9 ай бұрын

    For sure!

  • @joe7497
    @joe74972 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see an XJ hanging with the JL.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, he doesn’t have many issues besides having enough duct tape 😉. Thanks for watching!

  • @kamotetrailhawk
    @kamotetrailhawk2 жыл бұрын

    hats off to you guys, @13:28 you guys are making that rock garden look easy!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    We appreciate that! Thanks for watching!

  • @scottdunn1371
    @scottdunn13718 ай бұрын

    Nice video once again. I have done most of the nearby trails but this one scares me! Your trail guides really help with decisions.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    8 ай бұрын

    I’m glad to hear it… we’ve been filming a ton this summer. Next trail guide will be next week and it’s probably the toughest trail we’ve ever done.

  • @jamesbingham4538
    @jamesbingham4538 Жыл бұрын

    Always air down! the best on the trail thing to do.

  • @fredgarvin7033
    @fredgarvin703325 күн бұрын

    stacking or moving rocks use to be a courtesy but for some reason now it's not Macho I guess. The goal is to make it and enjoy it not try to kill your vehicles. I 4wheeled from a teen until 30 years ago when I had kids to raise and am about to take my wife through the country 4 wheeling and I have a lot to relearn and new rope winches (yay) etc and trails like this I have never seen but will. Good video and good job

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    25 күн бұрын

    We have nothing against stacking rocks as long as you remove them after. I’ve definitely used rocks tho, but we want to try to make it first without needing that. You’re gonna have a great time and i believe it’ll cone back quickly.

  • @outlaw9232
    @outlaw92322 жыл бұрын

    Another awesome video Dewey! Your comments and footage really shows what the trail is like for someone who has never ran it before.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much buddy! That’s truly my goal, as well as showing off some of Colorado’s beauty. Appreciate the support!

  • @TheCialert
    @TheCialert10 ай бұрын

    I did this for the first time on a stock 2016 honda pioneer 500, but with upgraded 27inch tires, very tippy for a 50 inch side by side, but after watching this,wow I had a much easier time being small!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    10 ай бұрын

    Nice work!

  • @The_Samsquantch
    @The_Samsquantch Жыл бұрын

    I feel like I've seen that Toureg on Johnny Park Rd before. Such an awesome build.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Probably, he’s trying to get out more!

  • @dabeger
    @dabeger Жыл бұрын

    I’m here for the air down 😂 love these videos man!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @stefan3225
    @stefan32252 жыл бұрын

    Enjoying the content. Nice work Dewey!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! As a video creator, that’s definitely what you want to hear!

  • @Glenn.Cooper
    @Glenn.Cooper Жыл бұрын

    Hey Dewie: I've been watching a bunch of your trail guide videos and really enjoying them. I just wanted to pass on the feedback that I think the structure of your videos is fantastic. The info inserts, the vehicle details, the footage, the narration are all right on the spot and make these fun, informative, and engaging videos. I know your subscriber base isn't super big yet compared to some other channels, but I honestly wouldn't change a thing if I were you. Great content and I really enjoy it.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much and I really appreciate that! Our goal is to get better with each upload but this was awesome to hear!

  • @psychology2217
    @psychology22172 жыл бұрын

    The Touareg is actually extremely capable. There are many videos on KZread that demonstrate this. Your friend just needs to realize that the Touareg driving mode styles do require some wheel spin in order to trigger all of its off road driving modes. I noticed that he always backed off just as the wheels would start to spin or just before. Inexperienced drivers should research their vehicles before going off road. At least browse some videos or at very least the owners manual. Great video as always, thank you

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good insight! He’s learning and determined to get better so it can reach further off-road camping locations. Thanks for your tips, I’ll pass them along. Thanks for watching!

  • @Colorado4x4
    @Colorado4x42 жыл бұрын

    Great video!!! Awesome job editing as always 👍🏻

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks buddy!

  • @bruceparker6225
    @bruceparker6225 Жыл бұрын

    Ran Saints John and Radical Hill back in 2020. Our 2 door JK and 2 JKUs. We’re experienced off-readers, but we’re from Michigan. We have nothing like this in our neck of the woods. Loved every minute of it!! The bottom part of the shelf road is more tippy than I remember, and that section below the cabin is rougher than I remember. We went from top to bottom, by the way. One last thing. Being from a low elevation, the altitude really got to us. I went down Radical Hill with a pretty good headache and a little nausea. By the time we hit Montezuma, I was fine.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a great time! I use to go too to bottom all the time and definitely enjoy that way too. Thanks for watching!

  • @TheGalaye
    @TheGalaye2 жыл бұрын

    wow nice trail

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sure is! Thanks for watching!

  • @DeanJohnson67
    @DeanJohnson672 жыл бұрын

    glad to see you are getting out in the new Rig still in 2021 and thumbs up for the airing down :) and another for the trail review

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much!

  • @johngray9702
    @johngray9702 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome video, thank you.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching!

  • @klm404
    @klm404 Жыл бұрын

    I was on a narrow shelf road at 26 degrees off camber once (McClellan Mountain). Scary doesn’t begin to describe the feeling!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely, that’s pucker for sure!

  • @Colorado392family
    @Colorado392family2 жыл бұрын

    What an awesome video! We ran red cone and radical hill this past summer, and to me the views at the top of radical hill can’t be beat! Your footage and narration are so great man!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank so much! I’m definitely trying my best! I like showing off these trails and my fellow wheelers… I’m hoping to get more segments with the others in videos. I love when Zach foreshadowed the trail early on as I honestly hadn’t done this one in a while.

  • @ty_thejeepguy
    @ty_thejeepguy2 жыл бұрын

    Another great video Dewy!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @vimejiasve
    @vimejiasve2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing views, good and difficult trail

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most definitely!

  • @scrapmetal4163
    @scrapmetal41632 жыл бұрын

    Always quality content. Greetings from Canada

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much! I don’t have a lot of free time so I get that you guys also may not. I try my best to make it a decent worthwhile video. Cheers from Wyoming 😉 (currently away from home)

  • @Ridesaway24
    @Ridesaway242 жыл бұрын

    Good to see this video. Love the mild upgrades to the XJ and see the abilities of the vehicle as compared to the newer JL.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely, XJs are awesome!

  • @ConWolfDoubleO7
    @ConWolfDoubleO72 жыл бұрын

    The Treg can definitely do it if you get some better tires and a bit more practice! The traction assist does work quite well but it takes a second of slipping to recognize and kick in. I think you might be stopping and readjusting a little too early at some points. I suggest keeping steady power on even while slipping and most the time it'll break through the slip no problem. Hope to see a fellow Treg on the trails again!

  • @MrSamboWambo

    @MrSamboWambo

    2 жыл бұрын

    My tires definitely need a refresh. They are a season old and I have beat them up. This trail had me rattled at the beginning and being pretty novice I didn't want to really mess anything up. I will for sure be more videos next season if not this winter!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    What Sam said and thanks for watching!

  • @sevendewey
    @sevendewey10 ай бұрын

    Finally ran Radical Hill this past weekend for the first time. (5th gen 4R with rear locker on 33’s) I thought the shelf road was going to be the sketchiest part since I don’t love those but I actually struggled most with the 2nd rock obstacle. I eventually got over it but did get hung up on my first pass and had to stack rocks and use traction boards as I got high centered. This is a great trail and I forgot about the Touareg in this trail guide. I think with more protection and better tires he could have maybe gotten through it. But this trail is a fun short trail that is tougher than Red Cone in my experience. We went Red Cone/Radical Hill/Middle Swan Fork/SOB Hill for a great and at times challenging day of wheeling!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    10 ай бұрын

    Awesome stuff and I agree!

  • @dustinlovett2385
    @dustinlovett23852 жыл бұрын

    Dude I love your guides! I would love to come out with you all sometime.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks and I’d love to include others… right now everyone is at the mercy of my job. I work on call 24/7 so that makes it tricky… maybe if this ever becomes a full time thing or make enough to hire an outside video editor, I could lay off from work and schedule outings. One day, we’ll get a plan. Thanks for watching!

  • @OXFOOT
    @OXFOOT2 жыл бұрын

    Damn we weren't far from you guys that day, I feel like I missed out not joining you guys. Looks like fun.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that would have been fun! But we’ll get it together next season!

  • @bah5310
    @bah53102 жыл бұрын

    Stock vehicles can air down and should. Some guys a Jeep with like to go fully ai aired up and in 2wd even though they both have Rubicons. You could try and obstacle twice then flip the locker switch. I'm glad you did this trail otherwise I would never see this place, at 55 I'm not going up that trail. Thanks Dewey.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I just follow the Allen method of wheeling. Honestly, I’m liking having it as a back up for gaining traction. However, for dangerous trails like Lake Como/Mt. Blanca, I’ll air down from the start. I like that idea, we kinda do something like that on wipeout hill. Zach did it open and I was like, nope, and locked the rear lol. Thanks for watching!

  • @anthonyzhang4918
    @anthonyzhang49182 жыл бұрын

    Me in my XJ: hurr durr xj go forward hehe me give big gas (Clanking, creaking, couple of diff smashes) Me in my JK with beadlocks, running 8 psi: There was an obstacle there? I'm jealous AF of that clean 5 spd XJ tho

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s a great XJ! Thanks for watching!

  • @jawaring
    @jawaring Жыл бұрын

    That’s cool to see a Touareg out climbing trails along with the usual suspects 👍🏻

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely!

  • @JoshuSonawane
    @JoshuSonawane9 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    9 ай бұрын

    You’re awesome! Thank you!

  • @karlmurphy1751
    @karlmurphy17512 жыл бұрын

    Howdy, Dewey. Me and the Old Goat have done Red Cone but ran out of time on the day to do Radical Hill. Will have to get back up there and let my Liberty, The Old Goat have at it. We did Wheeler Lake and got up the obstacle at Grizzly Lake, so Radical Hill should be in the "doable" list. Only rub is getting either my club to schedule the run or find a "pick up" bunch to go with. Hope all is well. Karl and the Old Goat.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    You and the old goat will love it! If I get my liberty here in time, I’ll do it with ya… but mine needs, rails, skids, and tires. Thanks for watching!

  • @connormetanias7899
    @connormetanias78992 жыл бұрын

    Last year I took my mostly stock XJ down radical hill not knowing anything about the trail. I have no idea how I didn’t damage my vehicle at all and I will say, I’m never attempting this trail again until I modify my Jeep more and have at least 33 inch tires.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah it definitely offers surprises if you’re not ready for it! That’s one reason I wanted to make guides over trail videos. That’s also why I want to keep my Jeep stock to give a better idea to viewers… although I think the liberty on a more modest build will be better eventually. We’ll see and thanks for watching!

  • @paladin11C40
    @paladin11C402 жыл бұрын

    When you mentioned the width, I looked to compare my WK with the 4 door JL, the JL is bigger than my WK.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sweet!

  • @michaelanderson8953
    @michaelanderson89532 жыл бұрын

    Good on the VW for going for it. I’m struggling to risk damage in my daily driver while trying to figure out vehicle capabilities. Also shelf roads, yikes! Very limited in Subaru.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    He did great! He plans to give it another go in the future, but that was a big reason we didn’t push it. It’s tricky to figure out a vehicle’s capability. It took me a while to figure out how much a stock Jeep could take. Thanks for watching!

  • @subculturenm
    @subculturenm2 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate the quality of your videos. This trail has always intimidated me, so I have yet to do it. Do you think an 83" wide JK would really be too wide for that narrow section?

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Your JK is 83in wide? Must be a beast! Hmmm, I’m not sure I would as I’d think you’d have part of your tire off the edge in spots… but I could be wrong.

  • @subculturenm

    @subculturenm

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@coloradomallcrawlers Yeah, the width is great for stability (and strength) but does have some disadvantages. We run 70" axles, 3.5" back-space wheels, and 39X13.5s. I reckon I've come to terms with not running Radical Hill, though.

  • @Anthony_Adventures
    @Anthony_Adventures2 жыл бұрын

    How are you liking the JL over the JK man? Also great video as always buddy

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey buddy! Loving it! Thanks man!

  • @SSL0707Star
    @SSL0707Star Жыл бұрын

    Hi, for a average off road driver , would you recommend up this trail or down with a stock JTU? Excellent guide, very helpful!

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Hmmm, I guess it depends… I think in a JT, I’d want to go up. I’d be concerned about the switchbacks and I’d rather do them climbing. In a short wheelbase with good low range, I’d say going down is better as the driver will be in a better position to keep an eye out on the sketchier spots (narrow spots). Hope that helps!

  • @chargingstar
    @chargingstar2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video! Was this filmed before or after the July rainstorms that caused washouts on the trail?

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    October 2nd, 2021… so pretty recent. Since I’m all out of order on editing videos, I’ll have filming dates on all videos from here on out! Thanks for watching!

  • @joyroc885
    @joyroc8859 ай бұрын

    13:48 looks like your driving through a painting.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    9 ай бұрын

    Lol, it was pretty beautiful up there! Thank you!

  • @mwp597
    @mwp597 Жыл бұрын

    Air down for better traction and ride. Win Win. I've watch a few of your video's. To me it looks like you guy's never try to go around large rocks you like to go over them it seams.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    We try to go through it as what’s the point going around something 😉. Thanks for watching!

  • @crashtke
    @crashtke2 жыл бұрын

    I may have missed it in past videos, but besides being 32s, what type of tires do you run?

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    33in Fallen Wildpeak MTs on the JL (stock tire).

  • @JoshSpring3746
    @JoshSpring37462 жыл бұрын

    Dewey I love your videos and enjoy seeing whatever your newest one is. However, please consider that when you take vehicles like a VW off road, all they do is spin their tires and tear up the trail and dig out obstacles, making them permanently harder for everyone else. Ill-equipped vehicles like this have no choice but to force their way up the trail by gassing it and spinning tires which is not good trail etiquette.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely get where you are coming from. I’ll take note, but he didn’t spin too much here. If he had continued, he may have, or he may not have. I sometimes spin staying unlocked, but not everyone has lockers and I do think we need to see if a good traction control system can get people by. Still, I do care about altering the trail negatively so I’ll keep an eye on it and thanks for pointing it out. I’ll rewatch more critically in the future.

  • @AWDfreak

    @AWDfreak

    2 жыл бұрын

    Certain VW Touaregs got low-range and lockers. I'm not sure if the one here had it, but its traction control did far worse than I thought it would.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    He had a low range but only a center locker. He’s thinking of getting a rear locker.

  • @JBlinky67
    @JBlinky67 Жыл бұрын

    Since when did awd mean anything other than slick roads or snowy roads or gravel roads? Without an actual transfer case you're in over your head.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    There’s a lot of debate about AWDs and what that actually means. Not all AWDs are created the same either. I’m more into filming and seeing what happens over debating the specs.

  • @migueldiaz8721
    @migueldiaz87212 жыл бұрын

    bautes

  • @boudreau1020
    @boudreau10202 жыл бұрын

    Very nice footage. However, the "not airing down" theme in your videos is becoming increasingly concerning. I know you stated you don't air down to get an accurate rating of the difficulty, but I don't understand how that effects your rating? Trails with boulders you already know are going to be rough. Why do you need your back to feel every single one of those rocks? Airing down as you saw, already creates increase traction and limits the amount of throttle you have to use to get through obstacles. You have began doing more difficult trails with more boulders and airing down is part of proper trail preparation. You don't attempt these trails with all weather street tires, or without any recovery gear, so again I just don't understand what rating benefit you gain by not properly preparing the tires for the trip. Not airing down also does a disservice to the trail. It takes far more effort to traverse obstacles, and makes it easier to spin tires and put more wear on the trail than what is necessary. The trail, your suspension, your tires, and your body will all thank you for the softer ride it provides. In addition, you do these trail guides to help educate people about the trails right? It should also be an opportunity to educate them on the entire 4wheeling experience and how to be prepared for 4wheeling in general.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ryan you could messaged me your concerns, but maybe I need to address this publicly. I’ve been off-roading for twenty years on both the East and West coasts (3 TJs, 2 JKs, and now a JL), yet I definitely don’t know it all. But for the record, I haven’t JUST started doing harder trails. As I’ve said, I’ve been doing radical hill since I moved here years ago and I never thought it was a hard trail, it was just part of my scenic 4x4 loop. I did Jenny Creek when it was still a creek trail and I always did it when the creek was running high and fast. Also, I watch all my footage meticulously to come up with these edits so we will discuss trail impact here too. My biggest influence is Jim Allen who has written his share of off-road books and he talked about airing down in one of his books… his approach is similar to mine (because I have adopted his). He’s a guy who was a 4wd magazine editor and had enough credibility to write and get published a good book on off-road driving. I’ve read other off-road theory books too as if I’m going to put videos out, I’m damn straight going to do my research in addition to having hands on experience. As I’ve said a million times, air down if you want, but I believe in having it in my back pocket to use it just as I did here and on wheeler lake. It’s one of the easiest traction aids one can do on the trail. Additionally, what I don’t talk about… I work on call with a two hour call and film these with my extremely limited free time (KZread doesn’t pay any of my bills, my job does). I don’t make that the viewer’s problem, but that’s a big reason I don’t air down as if I’m called to work while wheeling, I need to get off trail and get to Denver’s Pecos Ave in 2 hours. Can you make it in two hours from rad hill to downtown Denver while still having to air up? Probably, but that’s more stress than I want as I don’t like being late especially when my job is about documentation of times. However, because of that, I learned another benefit of not airing down, better ratings. If I don’t need to air down on a difficult trail, it must not be that difficult, right? But if I do, then it is a harder difficult trail. So far only uphill on Radical Hill and Wheeler Lake required airing down for me in a stock Rubicon. A better more aggressive wheeler could have probably still done these without airing down… but that takes me to my final point. My biggest concern when wheeling is trail impact. Is my one filming trip where I’m the only one not aired down destroying the trail? I say no based on watching my footage, but you’re welcome to disagree. However, when I’m not filming and have the time, I’m aired down. Ok, so let’s go deeper. I watch this footage back to see how am I affecting it in addition to coming up with an edit… well very rarely do I go full throttle on any of these trails (I bet I use less throttle than you based on some pics I’ve seen), even in this video, I didn’t come anywhere near sending it even tho that would have gotten me over obstacles 1 (east coast wheeling is about sending it, Colorado isn’t). Most of the time I engage the Jeep’s advance traction control system which requires low throttle input to get it to grip and increase traction. Traction control is a big reason I rarely ever need lockers on these trails. Again, lockers are reserved as a back up to aid traction should I need it. However, yes, I know when it’d be better to use lockers vs traction control, however, I believe not using them better mimics a stock Willys JK or JL wrangler which I think can do most of these trails. The way I wheel is designed to keep me from getting a strap or a winch line. It goes like this, “ok, I got stuck, what do I need here, lockers or airing down?” Adjust and keep going. Yes, there’s the notion you should be ready before you’re stuck, but rarely have I not been able to back up and go again with a different approach. So I welcome further feedback from you, however, since you have the ability to contact me directly, I’d probably do that. John from Jeeping from Jenn and John as well as some of my other buddies have messaged me where we talked about these things… they end up being great conversations and it doesn’t become a public “I’m right, you’re wrong” scenario.

  • @boudreau1020

    @boudreau1020

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@coloradomallcrawlers I did not mean any disrespect and definitely didn't mean for it to come across as "I'm right your wrong". I just have a hard time understanding the thinking when watching a video, as that is not really mentioned. I think you did an excellent job of explain your position above about the limits you are working within. I try to stay on the same platform when commenting on content, because interaction there drives engagement, which I assume is most content creator's goal... more engagement. But in the future, I'll shoot specific questions your way :-) I think you put together good stuff and have a good, engaged audience. I definitely mean no ill will.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@boudreau1020 I appreciate that man! I’m probably a bit sensitive about it as I get it a lot, and in my head, I’m like nobody aired down before KZread off-roaders started telling people to air down (which isn’t completely true, but kinda the perspective I got). However, I liked what Jim said in his book and it did make sense, plus it worked with my tight schedule. I’m glad you said it tho as you’re not the only one who is likely thinking it while watching. I try to combat it beforehand with the narration, but I leave out a lot of work stuff as that’s not anyone’s problem but mine. I want people to focus on the trail, not me. Thanks for your input and I will be cautious about trail impact… I want these trails around for generations to come!

  • @jdreaper2176

    @jdreaper2176

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@boudreau1020 What about these UTVs running these trails at 40 mph in summit county ?? I ran every trail in the Breckenridge, Montezuma and 285 area this summer. Jeeps, trucks and Suvs go slow anyway they are not the problem.

  • @comptonoverland7442

    @comptonoverland7442

    Жыл бұрын

    @@boudreau1020 Ya you right this channel promotes being a fool on the trails. That's why I've unsuscribed.

  • @SeekTheOpen
    @SeekTheOpen2 жыл бұрын

    I think your videos would be more useful if you actually aired down. Almost everyone watching these who actually intends on doing these trails after using your guide will be experienced enough to air down. It’s kind of silly to watch you slip around on the rocks with 37 psi when it’s not what your viewers will experience. I understand not using your lockers but keeping air in those tires seems off base

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    So there’s a couple reasons I do it, I may have responded below to someone else, but the first reason is I have a 2 hour call to get to work. I work all the time so I have a limited window to film these. My work reporting location is in Denver (i70 and i25 basically). 2) Airing down no doubt improves traction, we’ve always known that, but it’s unnecessary for a vast majority of these trails. I like to know the trails I need to air down on. 3) When I air down, I can make these obstacles look easier than they are. The video blunts the difficulty to begin with so if I make something look easy with a stock jeep, it can fool some people. 4) Airing down increases your risk of sidewall slices and the next video I publish will show how that can ruin your day. I do appreciate the feedback tho and thanks for watching!

  • @sevendewey

    @sevendewey

    Жыл бұрын

    I actually like that you do not air down. Even though I carry deflators and a compressor I prefer not to air down unless I absolutely have to. Other than the really tough rock crawling trials it’s not necessary for the vast majority of them in CO. I ran Red Cone today at 30psi with no issues. Didn’t have time to do Radical Hill but may have considered going down to 20psi if we had attempted it. I think your video of Red Cone is a good example of when airing down can have more consequences than benefits. I kept thinking that a breakdown on a trail like that would be expensive and time consuming not to mention shutting down the trail for the day

  • @mountainflyhigh
    @mountainflyhigh Жыл бұрын

    This is how trails get ruined for everyone else. Places like the shelf road get rougher every year when idiots with the wrong type of vehicles chew it all up.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    We did this trail at less 5mph… and this trail has barely changed since I first did it in 2014. However, feel free to blame small modern vehicles that are much bigger than the vehicles that cut these trails (CJs, YJs, Scouts, 1G Broncos) if that makes you feel better.

  • @mountainflyhigh

    @mountainflyhigh

    Жыл бұрын

    @@coloradomallcrawlers - What does speed have to do with it? You said yourself, multiple times, how much rougher the trail was than the last time you rode it, and wondered where all the big rocks came from on the upper shelf road. Well duh, it's from idiots like you guys that don't mind trashing your vehicles, as well as the trails.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you… I’ve been waiting for a comment such as yours to use in a future video. Physics and trail experience will tell you that speed is probably the biggest factor to digging out trails. There’s more to it, but we’ll talk about it and I’ll show you using video clips with your comment. Now, if you didn’t call us idiots, I would have let this go. Please learn to respect others, and maybe you’ll have more effective discussions with strangers.

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    Жыл бұрын

    Also, I should have indicated I had always went downward. I just did it again like that and it was as easy as it always had been. Going upwards was why it was more difficult… it’s not worse than it was so I misspoke.

  • @mountainflyhigh

    @mountainflyhigh

    Жыл бұрын

    @@coloradomallcrawlers LOL - now you're a social justice warrior? If I think you are acting like idiots, I'll say so. It IS meant to offend you. I've been riding that area for 35 years, and folks like you are the reason some of those trails will eventually become impassable. If you used proper vehicles, you wouldn't totally trash the trails to the point that your vehicles can't even make it up there. It's like watching tourist idiots on I-70 with a front-wheel drive car and summer tires in a snowstorm spin out and create a huge traffic jam for all those with 4WD and studded tires. Their stupidity and selfishness just f*cks it up for everyone else.

  • @USSVoyager5
    @USSVoyager5 Жыл бұрын

    Im Not a Fan of the VWs and BMWs, The Touareg sucks not just Offroading all VW and BMW vehicles sucks, I like Ford Jeep Toyota Subaru Mazda Acura Honda Volvo More, Audi and Mercedes are alright, The Toyota 4Runner and even the Toyota Land Cruiser is way better than the VW Touareg.

  • @TrailRunn4r
    @TrailRunn4r2 жыл бұрын

    Dude, just air down and avoid damaging the trails. Thanks

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate your concern, but see my response to Ryan below. I’m not downplaying trail damage as I care about our impact, but I can guarantee my slow wheeling aired up isn’t destroying the trails (plus I watch the footage). Also, if this was true, all of us who have been wheeling for a while yet never aired down before would have destroyed these trails years ago.

  • @TrailRunn4r

    @TrailRunn4r

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@coloradomallcrawlers I didn’t talk about destroying the trails, I’m talking about limiting the damage when possible. Given the popularity that off-roading / over landing is gaining every action we can take to limit the damage help. Airing done takes minutes, makes the ride more comfortable and your vehicle more capable. It’s a no brainer to me.

  • @TrailRunn4r

    @TrailRunn4r

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jdreaper2176 clearly you have no idea of what you are talking about 😄

  • @coloradomallcrawlers

    @coloradomallcrawlers

    2 жыл бұрын

    Read my comment to Ryan. I film these on my off time and I’m on call 24/7 with a 2 hour window to be in Denver once called.

  • @TrailRunn4r

    @TrailRunn4r

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jdreaper2176 does this make any sense? If you want to discuss about the issue do it, otherwise you can keep your mouth shut 🤫

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