Thanks for showing my worst skee ball throw of the entire event -Chase

Does everyone forget the biggest competitors to this car, the Corolla and Civic, also have CVTs? I mean, yea, the Corolla/Civic is proven, but it seems like everyone makes a big deal(good or bad) about CVTs unless we’re talking about Toyota/Honda

@thundergato84

5 жыл бұрын

I have the 2017 Toyota Corolla, and don't have a problem with it. This Kia is catching my eyes though.

There absolutely needs to be more collaborations with you and Mr. Regular, it is a match made in heaven

Thank you for another great review video. I am one of the car enthusiasts living in S. Korea. Hyundai and Kia returned their directions for endurance for the daily car. The previous version of ELANTRA (AVANTE in S. Korea) and Forte (K3 in S. Korea) focused on the specs and digits. However, maybe you guys probably know, GDI engines had some general issues. Lots of complaints in S. Korea and demands of higher fuel efficiency let them develop IVT (CVT). It might not be the best in the whole car industry, they announced that they really tried to improve both the fuel efficiency and endurance. For example, they changed the belts into the chains. And like he says, they emulated the CVT logic programs like the traditional automatic transmission. Here in S.Korea, the overall reputation of Forte (K3) is pretty good (Actually, S. Koreans have some prejudice of domestic cars as not good.) So, I think this version of Forte could be somewhat successful in the USA too.

Savagegeese and mr.regular best teamup of car guys ever! That infotainment screen looks great

@alexstromberg7696

6 жыл бұрын

a geese and a furry in a car. not a good combo

@invertedpolarity6890

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, couple of the biggest douches in the car review culture.

Ive had mine for one year . 20 years of Honda and I have to say my forte is just as good. 42 mpg at 75 mph on trip. 37 mpg around town. Like it so much my wife last night purchased a sportage . Keep up the great work Kia

I think it was Regular who said that ford exiting the small car game will just open the floodgates for automakers like Kia to scoop up the lag. And he is right. I’m not much for Kia, but they will have continued supremacy in the low end of the market.

I bought the base model, $20,000. It is fantastic! Great gas mileage 30/40, huge trunk!, quick pick-up speed when entering the interstate! I bought it in April, and have no issues. Can't wait to drive it every day :-)

Thanks for your first look review! Can’t wait for your full review! Awesome first look video

Great video, looking forward to the full review. I'm interested in these more simple new cheap cars.

Mr Geese. Another great review, I'm thinking about getting a subcompact car and these reviews help man. Thanks man

I actually bought a new LX forte last night and I'm so happy with the purchase, I didn't even know it was a CVT until this video. You honestly don't notice it being different than any other car.

Was the invite because of that beautiful 2016 optima intro you did? I still think about it sometimes.

Great bang for buck. Loved this short and informative video.

You’re warm and fuzzy

@AyAy008

5 жыл бұрын

no u

Looking forward to the full review ... cheers!

When he talks I listened...sir, you the best...no bs, no emotion just straight facts...

I don't understand why manufacturers don't embrace the CVT transmission as it is. There's no need to decrease the fuel economy because they want the CVT to act like an automatic transmission. If they optimize their CVT transmissions to perform like a true CVT and if it gets amazing gas mileage, people are going to ignore the CVT and buy the car because of the great MPG's they can get.

Simplicity, reliability, value for money !!! 👌🏆👍 Kia Forte & Ceed & XCeed Hyunday Elantra & i30 & i30 Fastback

Looking forward to your take on this vehicle with a long-term review.

It was slightly rigged but it was great meeting my most favorite youtuber. I think your analysis of the car was spot on as always I just think its funny Kias response to why have a CVT or torsion beam in the back is "our customers don't notice it" lol But I suppose that is the truth. Can't wait for your full review I hope we cross paths again. Take care sir -Kevin

@geoffgoldplum1231

6 жыл бұрын

Wow, you met Mr Regular I'm so jelly

@ciello___8307

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah most likely the average Kia buyer isn't going to care about the torsion beam

@Middle-of-nowhere

6 жыл бұрын

Exhaust Sports Auto Really the new kia forte is awsome I like the design of the exterior and interior with all those features It has some glimpse from the big brother kia stinger The engine also has the atkinson cycle technology instead of the regular oto cycle Nice car What a nice cross path!

@ResilientME

6 жыл бұрын

@@ciello___8307 Cheaper maintenance, torsion beams a potential plus to me

@MozzaBurger88

6 жыл бұрын

At that price point, a torsion beam is simple, solid, inexpensive, it makes sense. That's a compact sedan people are gonna go from A to B with. Useless for Kia to do crazy things.

I have to admit that Kia has surpassed so many other brands when it comes to higher quality, They are definitely above Chrysler.

@tylersmith4265

6 жыл бұрын

At this point basically every brand is above Fiat Chrysler regarding reliability.

@EverydayJ1786

6 жыл бұрын

This is true but will it ever be as quality as Honda or Toyota ? That is the question

@EverydayJ1786

6 жыл бұрын

@Steve Jones , yes that is true . Ive owned 3 Honda's that have been absolutely flawless . Although I've seen many many Kia / Hyundai products not last much more than 150,000 miles . They have a reputation (at least where I am) of being cheap disposable vehicles

@mcgyverb1664

6 жыл бұрын

Steve Jones yea some brands that had reputable reliability has fallen with newer designs, and this is exactly why it’s always safe to wait it out, and see what the reliability is.

@mcgyverb1664

6 жыл бұрын

AutoTech Jord we know it’s quality material, but as far as reliability goes on these newer models, only time will tell, but I would definitely buy a Kia over a Chrysler any day.

Great video especially given the circumstances. I'm also impressed by the CVT from what you have documented. But it still seems slow to initially build revs.

Have this car for 5months now and gotta say I love my car still fun to drive and packed with infotainment and surprisingly really spacy

LOL at the Outro with Mr Regular...I was waiting the whole video for something like that...

The introduction: "Mr Regular, meet Mr Constipated. Mr Constipated, Mr Regular"

You know what else makes me warm and fuzzy.... savagegeese himself

Nice car... and good short review!

Theodore, at the 7:52 mark -- what do you use to hold that blue phone on the dash? As much as Android Auto / Apple Car Play are a step up from the car OEM's software, I still prefer my phone (much more powerful and much less restrictive) and prefer the existence of a CD player as a mount-point.

Thank you I love the way you explaining about the Kia, just because that I want to buy one ☝️

I know Pittsburg has a lot of hilly wild ass roads, is the Kia good flying through the air?

I’m curious, on your thoughts if you do get a corolla hatchback for review with that first gear launch paired with its CVT.

Love your videos very in depth and great quality, will you review the Forte GT? Looking forward to seeing you review it

@yxllxh6377

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@dragospahontu

3 жыл бұрын

@@yxllxh6377 it drives like a 90s BMW

Great work, Friend. I have to admit it, it's a handsome car. Very attractive inside and out. The reliability will be the $6 million question, but I've observed less issues with Hyundai and Kias in the past decade or so...

@Maxfli82

5 жыл бұрын

stupid8911 consumer reports and JD Power have them more higher rated than Honda in reliability now

I have a beef with CVT's pretending to be an automatic transmission. Manufacturers are programming CVT's to do this just to pacify people who have been living with automatics their whole lives. The problem is that the drivetrain is now compromising efficiency and power, just for the sake of the perception. A CVT works on the principle that an internal combustion engine runs most efficiently at a certain RPM given the load applied to it. A real, uncompromised CVT will allow an engine to hold whatever RPM is required. This is what gives CVT's the edge when it comes to acceleration and fuel efficiency. By making a CVT emulate an automatic transmission, their biggest advantage is being negated. It's silly, and I disagree with it.

@emeraldages

6 жыл бұрын

You think people actually care about numbers? 99% of purchases are just if it looks good or not.

@android175

6 жыл бұрын

No 99% nah

@56brever

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Defeats the purpose. Dumb.

@practicalguy973

5 жыл бұрын

My issue with CVT is that they wear out fast and are expensive. No matter what metal on metal rubbing will always wear those plates and pulleys out unlike a conventional automatic that uses planetary gears.

@K03sport

5 жыл бұрын

...then the true problem is w/nvh and engine noise...make the engine sound better under the hood and out the rear and that should go a long way to quell ppl's biggest complaints - the noise

Tail lights look amazing, that is all I have for you on this short stint. I'll have more during the full review. Take care, talk to you soon.

The vast majority of buyers will still see CVT in print, and may not get to the point of even driving it. It looks like a baby Stinger. It is the best-looking compact on the market, imo. They need to drop the same powerplant that in this Elantra (sport or GT). Can't remember its name. Anyway, I look forward to your complete review. *Great job, as always!*

@princesiraj1

5 жыл бұрын

The 1.6T engine?

I’m hearing the 0-60 is 11 seconds with the CVT. 😧 What did you get?

Another great video. The vehicle looks good. I wonder if it will compete well against its competitors and Sub Crossovers. It can't be cheap to develop a small car like this. Is there anything new or interesting you learned from Kia about... Kia or the direction of the brand? Also, didn't wear a SavageGeese shirt. Don't know why I noticed that. - - - - - -Everyone needs to go to Patreon and give this man some cash.

As a Pittsburgh native, the tunnel traffic thing is 100% accurate

If you look carefully at the beginning, kind of towards the bottom right, you'll see the soon to be released Kia Dodge SRT.

What phone mount was used towards the end? Was it attached to the dash?

Great stuff again, Are there any "Union Made" in the USA affordable 4 doors in existance? I watche d the "Mechanics Special" and those two guyz said Hyandai/Kia/Lexus thats it? I was watching "Straight Pipes" and you got a shout out.

I'm deciding whether or not to buy a 2019 Elantra or a 2019 Forte. I love the look of the forte but can't get over the Mexican build quality or the IVT transmission. The Elantra on the other hand is built in the USA and has a 6 speed auto but I'm not so keen on the looks. Which would you choose ?

I can really see the bromance developing between you and Mr. Regular. I can't say I blame you, I've been a big fan of his work for quite some time as well. Will this new Forte be built at the assembly plant in Monterey, Cohuila, Mexico?

I hope MR Regular does a review on this car or at least a POV drive

Only one thing they don't have on the list - SX model, and this is something that I really wait for. Even main representative for the US I talk with says "We still don't have any info from KIA about the sports version..." That trim will definitely be missing in this new hit from Korea..

Savage geese. This channel is amazing. Would you be upset if I request a tesla model 3 review? Preferably not the performance edition. I have a non performance awd in the nyc area I'd be happy to let you use as for it as well.

Port injection? Mock me if you will (I know the inherent advantages of direct) but port is just simpler, lower stress, easier to maintain, and you don’t get the same constant clatter of the direct injection engines. I’m not sure how it’ll play out with fuel economy or performance and the like, but those older port fuel injection engines just seem quieter and simpler. I’d take it. The CVT is off putting at times, especially since the Elantra retains the 6-speed automatic, but it’s not the end of the world. They are smooth transmissions, and in a simple commuter and transportation appliance, that’s what you need.

@nodak81

5 жыл бұрын

CVT issue comes down to longevity for me. I drive my cars until the wheels fall off and a CVT will die much sooner than a normal automatic. I do like that this one supposedly has a chain instead of belt but even so I don't see it lasting very long by comparison. I'd go Elantra for that reason alone. People that replace their car every few years will probably be fine.

Very good looking car. Cannot wait for the SX Turbo with the Manual & DCT

Sad I missed this press release event, so close to home too.

I'm glad to see that you've come back to affordable cars, enough of the 100k lexus crap, thought you will be in their next lexus December to remember commercial! When does he Accord 2.0 review happen? It's a burgh thang.......

I'm glad these car companies actually care what you guys think..stay grounded in reality unlike some of these car critics that complain so much that none of us regular commuters will be able to afford a nonsensical fully loaded base model. More gizmos and gadgets = more problems.

My 2017 chevy spark cvt simulates gears just like that at higher throttle. I average 37 mpg in town. I love it for what it is. I also own a 2010 forte koup s9 manual that I love as well

People complain about CVT because they're a pain in the ass to repair and they don't last nearly as long as other transmissions. Technically they're better in every way, but they're normally just not great. I think if you go CVT, make it a CVT. Make it sound like a scooter for all I care just make it reliable some how.

@richardhunter9779

6 жыл бұрын

CVTs are trivial to repair in comparison with traditional slushboxes. Heck, even with manual boxes. You got a point on the durability, though.

@JEFFSMITH95

6 жыл бұрын

I dislike CVT as well, however Rented a 2017 maxima, the cvt and the v6 where awesome, fast, felt like a dct, downshifts etc , it was put thru it"s rental car paces and never a hiccup, BTW the leather seat in the MAX are nice....however the styling is different . CVT not for me

@Sticky1254

6 жыл бұрын

Yea that's the problem though. there is no downshift, just fake rev matching, etc. That's not what a CVT is for and I feel like that's just adding drive train loss for the sake of not pissing people off. Either give us a straight up CVT because it's better than an auto (minus reliability), or give us a regular auto or manual option. I hate the idea of the "sport shifter" especially in something like a CVT. There are no gears to downshift to, just hanging a rev at a certain point to get more power for a bit. It's silly.

@evibes512

6 жыл бұрын

Why not have both? Default to behaving like a traditional auto, but have an eco button to switch programming to full on cvt mode with no fake shifts.

@jakeb4962

6 жыл бұрын

CVTs are no less reliable than planetary automatics or synchronized manuals. Nissan CVTs are less reliable, but the rest aren't

I really like your honest reviews Something you did not mention about the cumbustion cycle Kia announce that engine will be working on atkinson cycle for more fuel economy Is that something you have been told about? I enjoy your videos especially the blueprints ones👌🏼

@savagegeese

6 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed it will run on Atkinson cycle. I'm saving more of the technical details for the full review including talk about the CVT.

@Middle-of-nowhere

6 жыл бұрын

+savagegeese Sorry for the spoiler😄

Driving it as a base model.Really pretty good.Gas mileage on city streets not great.No spare tire,but it seems a place where you can put one.

loved it so much i purchaced the red 1

Is this coming to the UK?

In the Middle East the Forte or Cerato as it’s called there comes with a 160 hp 2.0 4cyl & thankfully a 6 speed torque converter automatic.

ayee you and Mr. R :)

Neat that they did that with a CVT. Don't want it. Those engineers could have been working on making an automatic transmission lighter and more efficient.

@stevefranklin8052

6 жыл бұрын

Then i guess you wouldn't buy a civic or corrola either, as they are cvt also.

I've always loved the forte, I reeeally want a hot hatch version, or at least see what one would look like, should be interesting.

I really wish automakers just give option to have CVT always on sweet spot.

@cyrenecai

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly, as much as I think this whole emulated gear ratio thing is a dumb skeumorph to cater to people scared of change, as long as they provide an option to set it to behave like a real CVT I'm not too angry about it. If they don't, then you're getting the worst of both worlds....

@runninggames771

5 жыл бұрын

@@cyrenecai my Nissan work truck is a cvt. If you put the shift lever into L It will hold max torque rpm (5500) no matter what. It's really fun on twisty roads cause it's always In the sweet spot and it engines breaks while keeping the rpm up(constantly downshifting). Wish they would give you that option.

I would like to see a higher-end sport model with their turbo engine along with a manual. I just want the cooled seats as well as a bit more power.

I like their (KIA) design language and the fact they give the sub-$20k car the same attention as the over-$40k car. Im still a fan of the Soul, just wish I could get the '+' in a manual and the turbo came w/a real 3 pedal manual. I'd also like to see a real wagon from them and not a Kona/Niro thing

Could you do a review of the Y50 M45 S?

I HATE when KIA puts the rear turn signals low in the bumper. I would expect it to be a reflector and look for the turn indicator in the main light assembly. This is SOOOOO unsafe for kia drivers. People don't know when you have your turn signal on. Just because you *can* reinvent the wheel, doesn't mean you should.

@JT-fq2bl

5 жыл бұрын

Back your ass up. You're following the car too closely. Damn, most Americans can't drive to save their life. All y'all need to have your license revoked.

@faeinthebay

5 жыл бұрын

@@JT-fq2bl I don't know about you, but when I'm driving in the city, I can't stop far enough back to see the bottom of the bumper of the car in front of me. If everyone did that, there would be room for far fewer cars between stoplights. And think of other cases, like parallel parking. There are too many situations where you don't have a view of the lower bumper of the car in front of you for this design to feel sensible.

@TimothyPengofLansing

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you, I can’t stand Kia putting turn signals on the bumper. Why? Why? Kia why?

That CVT has some really quick fake shift points. I'm impressed by that. Does it fake shift under all throttle input, or just during harder acceleration? This new Forte is based on the current generation Hyundai Elantra. Same architecture. Same 2.0L engine. The differences are in styling, suspension and steering tuning, as well as auto transmission. The Elantra uses a 6-spd automatic. It's very telling to me that the CVT equipped Forte is rated a full 4mpg better hwy than the Elantra with 6-spd auto.

@stevefranklin8052

6 жыл бұрын

I've had my 17 Elantra 2 years 3 months. 37.000 miles now. Has been flawless. Fully loaded, everything works perfectly.very comfortable , Fit and finish are great. I consistently get 29 30 in town. And between 37 to 39 mpg, depending on whether I'm doing 70 or 85. I'm very happy with it !

Mr. Regular!

Do you think they moved away from the GDI motor due to reliability issues? I remember my 2014 blew at 65K.

@kdash3215

6 жыл бұрын

@Fleetleader101 Had I bought it new, yes. In my case, no. I bought it used with 4,000 miles (for some dumb reason, it wasn't certified). Since I had taken care of the car well, they goodwilled it. I paid $2K flat, and they took care of the other $5200 in parts, labor, and diagnostics. In retrospect, I still felt like I got stiffed a bit, but as long as it doesn't happen again, I'll be just dandy. If it does, I'll be filing a lawsuit. Shame, it's a great car otherwise. Hyundai on the other hand is giving out engines left and right. Under warranty or not.

@stevefranklin8052

6 жыл бұрын

@@kdash3215 you were treated extremely well. I'm sure no other manufacturer would have done the same. Always buy NEW.

@jalderink

6 жыл бұрын

Or, you can be, actually smart, and NEVER buy new! Used cars often come w/warranties, too.

@stevefranklin8052

6 жыл бұрын

@@jalderink I dont like 2nd hand anything. Manufacturers warranty is best. These other companies that offer car warranties always find a way out, or pay very little. Been driving 44 years. Learned the hard way about those companies. Useless. Buying new isn't that much more than used. Unless you're buying a 6 year old car with 100.000 miles on it. And who wants that.

@jalderink

6 жыл бұрын

@@stevefranklin8052 Sorry, I didn't know I was talking to the Queen of England.

4:04

@chauncey_vw5015

6 жыл бұрын

Yuri Tereshyn the old Yuri rewinding satellite radio 👍🏻

@blitzbbffl

6 жыл бұрын

Re-wind obsessed Yuri!! Too Phunny!

@StrycD

6 жыл бұрын

Yuri Tereshyn 🤣

@vladsaghin7644

6 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I immediately thought of you Yuri when he said that!

@hyogomarume8345

6 жыл бұрын

It’s the new trend among auto journalists

What bout the kia forte 5 turbo model?

Love my Kia and do not see it as an entry level car?... Maybe? After a lifetime of boxy SUVs glad to be back into a regular car. Mine's the Forte hatch with turbo and since it was bought about this time last year, is a 2017. It has a DCT. Which I was apprehensive about at the time. For me it's hard to understand why something like a CTV has to operate like a manual gear box? My last 25 years are with automatic transmissions. I have driven a manual in that time but really overall; so long as the car can haul ass, what does it matter? Cheers

When are you going to review the honda accord?

I recently bought a 1.0 ceed on europe. the car drinks a bit but it only has 500 kms on it

It's difficult to see this latest compact car effort from Kia and not compare it to the current Mazda 3. For example, while this Kia has a CVT that simulates the behavior of a torque converted six speed automatic, the Mazda 3 has an actual six speed automatic, and the fuel economy ratings between the two are equivalent. I also don't know why Kia made the decision to equip this car with a torsion beam rear suspension when the class leaders offer independent rear suspensions.

which ones is better ? fuel direct injection (GDI ) or port injection(MPI) ?? I am clueless sorry .

@savagegeese

5 жыл бұрын

For basic cars, port injection.

@ampiciline

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much sir for quick response , I just bough my Kia forte 2019 manual transmission 4 weeks go and I am loving it . The manual is way way way much better . The CVT ( IVT ) was horrible compare to manual . I think anyone wants to buy this car must buy the manual vesrion

What’s the 1/4 mile time? Since I only live a 1/4 mile at a time.

@savagegeese

6 жыл бұрын

10 seconds.

in Australia the Cerato (same car) engine is the same but we still have the 6speed auto. No kia's in aus have CVT (thank god). Combination of 6 and 8speed auto(diesel serento and tucson and carnival)

This hits home for me. 2014 for me

I was hoping it would have came out this summer, but I ended up getting a killer deal on a 2018 Optima SX turbo

@scottmurphy4946

6 жыл бұрын

@Noé Andreé i worded my message wrong. I was originally looking forward to the new forte, or even news on the hatch verson. Sx turbo is awesome over all with all the features and alot more power. Its not muscle car power but way better than whati used to have ha

@fuckhead4204

6 жыл бұрын

Scott Murphy They actually used to have an extra 30hp, but they dialed it back this generation. Something about powertrain reliability if I recall correctly.

@scottmurphy4946

6 жыл бұрын

@@fuckhead4204 my parents have the last gen with 275hp, never had any issues yet but the power is only used for passing really.

@vladsaghin7644

6 жыл бұрын

The Optima is so underrated! I currently have a 2017 Forte sedan and I'm looking forward to the new Forte5 Turbo when my lease ends in 2 years. I'm wondering if you can bring the price down considerably on an Optima SX to get it near a Forte5 SX price tag. Here in Québec, midsized sedans are almost a thing of the past since compact sedans and hatches are more than enough of a car for most people. The Optima SX is kinda rare because no one buys them and I'm sure there are plenty around sitting in my dealer's lot just waiting for some one to have a good deal!

@dylandetails361

6 жыл бұрын

@@scottmurphy4946 my dad as the 2.0t Sonata from 2013. It's freaking quick, very surprising.

I find it an absolute joke that they decided to associate the Stinger with the Forte. Edit : I don't think they need to do that as this new Forte seems pretty good for what it is.

Guess that lane assist will be useful for changing clothes/mascara applications

Did you get an autograph from subaruwrxfan? He's from Pittsburgh I believe

ok, fine, you put a CVT in it that emulates an automatic. Can you put a button for turning the emulation off? Heck, hide it in the screen with 2 "Are You Sure?" pop-ups. I'd like to see how this thing actually behaves as a CVT. But then I remember that Mazda makes a pretty descent and simple slush-box. Hmm

still want to see you compare the 2019 mx5 to the s2000

200+ HP SX version on the way ???

Looks like a cool car. I thought the DCT in the Hyundai Elantra Sport was pretty darn good for what it is.

I like Kia, but the extremely bad reputation CVTs in general have with reliability concerns me greatly.

@dillonhughes1417

6 жыл бұрын

In my experience with the cvt in my sentra, a cvt will last if you dont drive like a lunatic. Basic commuting it will be fine. But it just can't keep up with somewhat aggressive backroad driving. The constant braking and accelerating bogs it down and ends up keeping it around 3500 to 4000 rpm and it is extremely slow to react to input. Also it seems my car specifically has issues with the CVT heating up to a surprisingly high temperature after aggressive driving. which brings the concern of longevity. But in the end it's a base model sentra and isnt designed for fun it's designed for commuting and errands.

@stockey

6 жыл бұрын

This CVT has chains instead of straps, much better.

@nodak81

6 жыл бұрын

+Bob Goudreau ...or so Kia claims. Nobody will know until these things start getting some high mileage.

looking forward to the hatchback manual and turbo version

In the house 💯🕵️

Dream car 😍😍 maybe one day...

What did you do to RegularReviews that he is so grumpy?

So they dumped the gdi? Good because I dumped my 2014 forte because of it.

You’re my fave!!!!

You can see the influence of BMW on the interior so big time. I just test drove the 240 and I see that so much in this car for 2x less the cost, lol. Of course it's slower, but... the interior is pretty nice looking.

How come I didn't see a single hatchback?

Awesome car.

I think the WRX automatic is a pretty good CVT. You can let it drone and accelerate quickly, or be slower and do fake shifts. I haven't tried a fast CVT car unfortunately. Only tried the 2017 civic (non-turbo) and that seemed slower than the 2017 Mazda 3 2.0 L.

@jalderink

6 жыл бұрын

That's 'cause Honda's are slow.