Disappointed in John here. He’s putting all kinds of words in Tuckers mouth and thoughts in his head.

@muiresuilgorm3452

Жыл бұрын

Projection.

@kamalaharrisiswhite

Жыл бұрын

He does that a lot and nobody ever questions him.

I hope you guys never stop having these conversations. I get so tired of the idiocy of the corporate media. I feel better listening to two actual humans who can have difficult conversations in a rational way.

I'm so sick of people throwing out the "racist" label whenever someone points out racial or cultural differences. It's ridiculous and lazy. 1) I grew up in a black area of town. My elementary school was right next to the projects. When a white kid had a problem with you, usually he would challenge you one-on-one (not always, but usually). When a black kid had a problem with you, he seldom did it one-on-one. The black kids had a favorite tactic. They would surround you in a circle, usually about 8-12 of them. The guy who wanted to fight you would enter the circle, and the others were there to keep you from leaving the circle. If you started to whip his ass, the other black kids would join in. This is just the way it was. Do white men always fight John Wayne style? No. Do they sometimes fight dirty? Sure. I've been confronted with superior numbers of armed white boys growing up. However, there was a distinct and perversive cultural difference. You don't see white kids wilding out like they did in Chicago either. Cultural. 2) Replacement is real. It's a matter of public record, going back decades. In the US, white people are not being replaced by black people. Black and white people are being replaced by Latinos. This is known, and the only people who deny it are either in on the plan or willfully ignorant out of moral cowardice. In Europe, indigenous whites are being replaced by "Asians" and Africans, etc. In fact, the whole definition of "diversity" seems to mean non-white. Hence, a 100% black cast would be considered "diverse," even though it would be the opposite of diverse in traditional language. Call me a racist all you want to. I am immune. This is the one advantage I acquired from growing up in a majority black area with whites and Latinos making up the minority. No white guilt here. No blinders. I see reality for what it is.

@dvg4104

Жыл бұрын

Been there, done that. Thanks for taking to time to post your observations. Mine were nearly identical.

@twoshedsjohnson8540

Жыл бұрын

I just saw a video of a huge group of blacks school kids in a total frenzy of pounding the crap out of someone. The female VP came in to break it up, and then she got pounded on as well. This has become more of a norm simply because society is too afraid to bring attention to it.

@NdxtremePro

Жыл бұрын

I was in exactly one fight in school, and that was when a group of black students convinced a white boy to fight me for some reason. I still have no idea why. The black students and the boy got off the bus after school and surrounded me while the white boy tried to fight me. I had no idea how to fight, but luckily neither did the other boy. I simply started swinging my arms in a circular motion and overwhelmed him. I then got out of that group as fast as possible and made it to my house which was just 2 doors down. Considering I am Cherokee/Irish/German and my father's side of the family was adopted by a black family, I had never felt out of place in the black neighborhood until that time.

@kashanti1

Жыл бұрын

Liberal professors in the 90s when I was in college used to talk about replacement theory in a positive way all the fucking time so now that we have liberals all a flutter over the idea just cracks me up

@NdxtremePro

Жыл бұрын

@@kashanti1 Thieves that have been caught almost always deny the theft.

Respect to you both for holding an intelligent, civil conversation while disagreeing, letting each other speak without interrupting. I hope we can get this back into our society.

@r4777

Жыл бұрын

Read McWhorter's "Losing the Race," the things he wrote in the book are the exact opposite of the soft bigotry of low expectations he's pushing here. McWhorter knows better, but as a professor at a far left institution of higher learning and a NY TIMES employee, he has to push this idea that, in 2023, black people cannot be held personally responsible for their actions, because of historical events that happened looooong before the black teens that are rioting, stealing and jumping random people were born. Stop with this black perpetual victimhood. Many things McWhorter said in this video were not only unintelligent, but they were also intellectually dishonest AND RACIST. As a black man, I would never tell my kids that "something in history, can excuse, justify or cause them to act like rabid animals, have multiple babies out of wedlock, celebrate gangsterism or shun learning.

@monkeytime9851

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It's become so rare.

@siriuslyspeaking9720

Жыл бұрын

What do you expect from two guys on the same team? A cynical person might very well think this was an underhanded slight of the host and Black people in general - possibly intimating that even Black people who like each other often can't agree without getting hostile toward one another.

@bluefish4999

Жыл бұрын

@@siriuslyspeaking9720 Funny I never mentioned anything about race - but you did. G'day.

@anniehopkins8470

Жыл бұрын

@@bluefish4999 ... Your "righteous indignation" is only surpassed by your lack of self awareness... This entire topic is about race... all these guys talk about is race... but because you didn't use the word in your comment... I suppose it's not relevant at all

Once again, my assessment of Glenn as one of the most fair-minded, thoughtful, courageous voices around today is confirmed!

@bnjmnwst

Жыл бұрын

​@Quis Duby How does that follow?

@miroirs-jumeaux

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen that cilp he posted from a debate he was in 32 years ago? «around today» is an understatement

@geekylove3603

Жыл бұрын

​@Ben West Because he didn't add John. Who is clearly a good commentator. And in this video is critical of Tucker. Obtuse.

Thank you Glenn for the pushback. I get the impression that Johns exposure to Tucker is (only?) through secondary sources - mostly by people who have their own axe to grind.

@geekylove3603

Жыл бұрын

So? Lol

@evaneugenescott

Жыл бұрын

John isn’t the brightest tool in the shed. He admitted he doesn’t actually watch the stuff he comments on. He regularly has low IQ takes on a wide range of subjects.

it’s not racist - he was referring to western european tradition or decor for street fighting, not teaming up on one man

The texts did not lead to the firing

@88wildcat

Жыл бұрын

The texts were the cover story for the firing. No one involved in the firing (and nowhere near all the people involved worked at Fox) can admit to the public what the real reason for his firing was---his questioning of U.S. involvement in Ukraine without exposing themselves.

Noticing patterns is wrong, and bigoted... Sincerely, John McWhorter

Glenn's final comment: suppressing a fact makes it powerfully more dangerous is brilliant!

@allyourbase888

Жыл бұрын

Have you read the Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

@s.l.george7348

Жыл бұрын

@@allyourbase888 no, but I just bought it. Thank you!

I may not always agree with Mr. Loury and Mr. McWhorter, but I always appreciate their thoughts.

YES! YES! YES! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Thank you Professor Loury! We are all lucky to hear your voice. 🙏🏾🇺🇸❤️

Tucker was raised in a prep school environment where the code of honor was the goal of good behavior. So the code of honor says you have to have a fair fight, not have a group picking on one person.

@dvg4104

Жыл бұрын

I was raised in a public school environment. White boys would rather take a beating when fighting each other than (1) receive help, (2) pull hair, (3) kick or punch the crotch area, and you had to let the guy who was knocked down get back up, no attacking him while he's down. In contrast, the black boys typically fought in packs, and would stomp and kick a victim when he was down.

@leonais1

Жыл бұрын

So where does race come into that? You need to careful that you are not explaining racial assumptions about fighting with racial assumptions about education, that just shift the accusations of racism down the line.

@ilfautdanser9121

Жыл бұрын

my brother was in the canadian navy, he has the same approach.

@Malcorus

Жыл бұрын

Codes of honor are not unique to prep schools. Of course, this is irrelevant anyway. The problem with the statement is the implication that white men are by nature honorable and further that others are not. Some men are honorable, others are not.

@allyourbase888

Жыл бұрын

Codes of Honor apply when encountering equals. Groups will eliminate non equals as a scourge. It’s our tribal instincts taking over.

Sounds like Tucker was criticizing other Whites. What if a black man said "black people dont fight like this." ? It is nice to see John knows how to read minds as to what Tucker was thinking.

@chuckleberryfinn1992

Жыл бұрын

he coulda read the rest of the texts in thread, too.

As a thinking person I can decide for myself what's racist or offensive to me.

While I appreciate specificity in language and being thoughtful when speaking in public, I refuse to leap to accusations of bigotry when a private text sent to someone who knows Tucker well, & that is significant because of its self evaluation in the second part, is leaked in an effort by a huge organization to destroy a man. I’ve grown to respect, appreciate & like Tucker Carlson over the years after initially (and as a previous life long Democrat automatically) thinking he was awful. Shame on me…. truly glad I have evolved in my independent thinking & left the modern illiberal cult-like Democrat Party. That being said, thank you both for always being men of reason, good character & integrity. Thank you for honest & courageous (bc they are in this upside down era) conversations. Thank you for expanding my perspective via your perspectives. Professor Loury, you are brilliant! I once recorded by hand every word you said in the most eloquent & passionate defense of America on the Megyn Kelly podcast. It’s been a couple of years since that episode…. It took about 1.5 hrs of rewinding, playing, writing…. rinse and repeat…. to hand write each word. It was a hairs stand up, tears roll down moment that I will carry in memory & heart always! Thank you Sir! I’m grateful that you are on this earth!

@kmaidotia

Жыл бұрын

@Stafford Lee - you nailed for me, been wanting to say exactly what you wrote, just could not constract it like you did. Glenn is my go to guy these days and he brings perspectives that I never even thought of. I think John brings the best out of Glenn with some of his (John's) fixation to the leftism.

@begshallots

Жыл бұрын

I wish it were that easy to let the “white men” comment go. It’s the kind of thing I’d always thought he wasn’t thinking, despite the hysteria. I too am a recovering Democrat and not a conservative and homeless politically. Loury and McWhorter are the only sympathetic commentators who’ve actually addressed the elephant here. Megan Kelly just hand waved it. Call yourself a classic liberal, a moderate, a conservative or a libertarian, none of that has anything to do essentialist concepts of race. Maybe Carlson will explain it or maybe it’s truly a part of the way he thinks. When I asked people in the comments at Kelly’s YT video on this people said exactly what Loury is saying a lot of racists think: I won’t repeat it but it was pretty bad. Yes, many of Carlson’s viewers are homeless former lefties. But don’t let’s pay ourselves on the back. Many are just racists I guess. I mean just go ask them why Carlson wrote what he wrote. They’ll tell you themselves.

You should interview him and not guess!

Intelligent and civil. And more so....courageous!

My wife is black and I am white and I would have no problem making a comment like Tucker's to her. She will also make comments about how white people act in different contexts. That is how many, if not most people, who are intimately connected and of different races talk to each other. At least those who are not upper class.

@ancientfuture9690

Жыл бұрын

100%

@thomasc9036

Жыл бұрын

Even most Asians say the same in private. They make stereotypical comments all the time. "Why is it always Blacks who rob stores?" "White people think they know it all?". "Why are Blacks so loud?". There are positive stereotype comments too. "White people are so friendly?". "Mexicans are so hard-working and warm people ". "Blacks are really talented in dancing and music". Are they being racist? Maybe, but we are all a bit racist anyway.

@WilliamEllison

Жыл бұрын

Very strange marriage you have.

@ancientfuture9690

Жыл бұрын

@@WilliamEllison what?! A marriage with open and honest dialogue? That's the sign of a healthy marriage.

@stacyarmstrong8275

Жыл бұрын

I'm white and my husband is Hispanic. We say a lot of things to each other I'd never write in an email or a text. That email comes off as really poor judgement.

seems like John is engaging in mind reading

@allyourbase888

Жыл бұрын

Woke mind virus rearing it’s demonic face in the form of projection. I’m starting to think my beloved Prof McWhorter has let his head get too big for his britches after taking a spot at the NYT. 😢

@elcidcampeador7400

Жыл бұрын

That association with the New York Times… hope it’s not very contagious…

“Testicle tanning” is not a phrase I ever dreamed I would hear on the Glenn and John show and I am HERE for it. In all seriousness. I’ve been looking forward to your thoughts on stuff, Glenn and John, in particular the Jordan Neely situation.

Glenn is treasure. Americans are lucky to have a voice like him.

When I first saw this story in the NYT, it didn’t take me long to wonder how Glen and John would respond. This is right in the strike zone.

I have never been more impressed with Glenn. Blinding intellect and objectivity. Unlike John who is so caught up in his own biases.

@geekylove3603

Жыл бұрын

= I agree with Glenn. You small creature.

There is More context to this. Where he actually has a self reflection moment..

@nathaninama3311

Жыл бұрын

Nobody wants to look at the entire quote. What Tucker was saying was that he was upset at himself for his brain responding how it did. He was ashamed of himself for rooting for the 3 white dudes. Everyone leaves the context out.

the lengths to which people on one side will go to imagine into others whatever they themselves think is astonishing, no matter how consistently they do it

@allyourbase888

Жыл бұрын

Projection is a helluva drug

Always remember the context. “Private conversation”.

Thank you, gentlemen, once again. Excellent work!

I believe violence is more frequent among African Americans, especially males, than other groups. It's a ridiculous thing to deny. But more frequent does not mean inherent.

@bnjmnwst

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't mean it's due to their blackness, true.

I do not know how to process John claiming to believe that Rupert Murdoch fired the highest rated host on his news network because of something that host said in a private text message. Is this a proposition so absurd that it could only possibly be believed by an Ivy League professor or a New York Times employee? Can any individual, presumably better informed than myself, point to a single incident in Rupert Murdoch's commercial career to serve as empirical evidence of a similar pattern of behavior?

I remember Jesse Jackson saying many years ago that if he were walking down a dark city street and he heard male voices behind him, he hoped they were White. Words to that effect. Yes, that Jesse Jackson.

also, read the rest of the text.

Glen spitting facts and John using the race card

@tricky92x

Жыл бұрын

I usually really like John too... but, in this case, he's got a blind spot.

The dynamic duo lays it down. 👍👍

I saw you, Glenn Loury, on Megyn Kelly but am so grateful to find your show here. I enjoy hearing you and John McWhorter go back and forth on issues and hope so badly lots of people are tuning in because you bring up so many important topics in a way we might not hear elsewhere.

Thank you, Dr. Lowry. Kind regards, from Birmingham, UK.

Based on John's paraphrasing of what Tucker said, I still don't see how Tucker was actually wrong. Truthful observations aren't racist. Uncomfortable, perhaps... but not racist.

I could listen to these two brothers converse all day long

Always a pleasure to hear these two discussing anything.

I appreciated this debate. Best one I’ve heard in a long time.

This is the nuance we need. Neither vilify nor valorize.

“That is the bubble of Manhattan speaking” Amen Glenn!! And how often does that bubble scream, frequently just before truth burst its false premise.

Totally agree with Glen

Great conversation!

Amen brothers. Thanks for being fearless and talking about these issues

1. It would be nice if John could read the entire text message. Maybe he could get past the offending fragment and see the compassion Carlson has for people who have threatened the lives of his wife and kids. (People who are, in fact, mostly white and who fight in gangs.) 2. Is replacement theory a conspiracy theory? Really? Because there are people who loooove to point out that whites will be a minority soon, and the implication is that we will most definitely be getting a taste of our own medicine. I would go so far as to say that this is the point of "anti-racism".

@leonais1

Жыл бұрын

Just to play devil's advocate, what is 'our own medicine? Does anyone need that medicine?

@patrickh9937

Жыл бұрын

@@leonais1 our own medicine as in, reverse discrimination. Which is the goal of the so-called anti-racists. Kendi explicitly states that present discrimination is the only remedy for past discrimination. It’s probably obvious, but I disagree. It is, nevertheless, what many people seem to want, and so I find it hard to dismiss replacement theory as some kooky idea akin to flat earth and shape shifting lizards.

@regpharvey

Жыл бұрын

It's hard not to notice the effects of immigration policy under the last two Democrat presidents and the dishonesty we're currently seeing about it all. It is hard to believe that anyone could be as incompetent as this administration, probably impossible, and the only other real option is that it is intentional. So I think the theory is really the only one that works at this point, "conspiracy" or not.

@leonais1

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickh9937 I'm suggesting you should not take ownership for racism in that way. Don't put yourself into an identity group and down own everything that identity group has done in history.

@patrickh9937

Жыл бұрын

@@leonais1 trust me, we’re on the same page.

Glenn Loury for President!

If a black journalist had said " that's not how white men fight" what would we be saying about him? My guess is nothing. Black people make these sorts of comments all the time regarding white people. Black folks talk about "jewing" people down as it relates to trying to negotiate a deal. Does that make them anti-Semitic or is that only if a white man says it. Great conversation as always. A lot to think about and process.

Agree with Glenn.

Thx Glen 👍🏽 Ruthless truthtelling is our only hope.

It feeds into various "stereotypes?" You mean it's a statement of fact based on experience and observation of common behavioral patterns.

Don't forget... It was a private text.

@monkeytime9851

Жыл бұрын

Yes. It's ridiculous.

Thank you Glenn, John not so much.

McWhorter reliably gets in his feelings more than merited. He has the mental acuity to see the flaws in his assertions, but he lets his feels shut that down from time to time.

@tupacalypse88

Жыл бұрын

i reckon we all human

@r4777

Жыл бұрын

McWhorter has gotten into the love of money, and he now does and says what his white liberal masters at Columbia University and the NY Times tells him to do and say. When forced to admit that it is black people running around blue cities in roving gangs, attacking people, white people, at random and looting stores, McWhorter falls back on the mantra of perpetual black victimhood. McWhorter actually says that the violent, dysfunctional behavior of black people can be explained by history; McWhorter even implies that the violent behavior of black can even be excused by history. No personal responsibility for black people is what McWhorter is more than hinting at. If you read McWhorter's book "Losing The Race," you will see that John McWhorter is arguing the exact opposite of the position he took in that book; and no, this is not a sign that McWhorter has grown and developed his ideas. This only shows that McWhorter has sold out his beliefs for a tenured position at Columbia and a job at the NY Times.

@py_a_thon

Жыл бұрын

I just support democrats so that poor people get medicare, basic services, rent leeway and food access. And without being shamed constantly for being poor. If the republican party can solve those issues explicitly, then I would be a republican. They haven't and they no longer even pretend to care tho.

@tricky92x

Жыл бұрын

@@py_a_thon Wake us up when the Dems start solving those issues you listed as well...

@py_a_thon

Жыл бұрын

@@tricky92x Millions of people have health insurance now. Insurance companies cannot discriminate against pre-existing conditions. Food stamps exist at the federal level and food banks are often funded at the local level. Your rhetoric is irrelevant my friend. I am sorry that I am most correct for now. Go and do better.

Here to defend John, dyed in the wool conservative, 20 yrs Army, LEO for 8 yrs now. I appreciate his perspective more than Glenn. I find him even handed, he thinks in a way I do not. Thus I tend to learn more from him.

@tricky92x

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, I get excited any time either of these men show up on the Bill Maher show.

Sometimes shoes fit.

Gentleman, appreciate the honest conversation.

This was excellent stuff.

Regarding the statement “white men don’t fight like that” isn’t it possible that Tucker is simply saying they should know using violence is not the right strategy? Unlike when a BIPOC group acts violently and has it routinely justified as a result of being oppressed, there is no structural explanation anyone would ever use to give the white guys a pass for behaving this way.

It wasn't a racist comment, unless talking about "white privilege" is racist. Which it is.

John, John, John...I believe you are way off the mark here. Thank God your dear friend Glenn is willing to step up and set you straight. Keep up the conversations gentlemen as your voices are so important!

Love these guys

Great show

This was one of the better, fairer conversations about Tucker's text message. Keep in mind the message was a private, spontaneous, stream-of-consciousness message including great self reflection at the end. If you haven't read the COMPLETE text (displayed at 1:05), please do. Most other "news" (what a joke) outlets conveniently left off the last few sentences in order to smear Tucker. Tucker is a human being with virtues and flaws. Who among us has absolutely perfect thoughts all the time? Who would never be embarrassed to have a screen on your forehead displaying all your thoughts to everyone? If you are such a person, you can throw the first stone.

One other thing to point out about that tweet, is that it was actually very profound, and genuinely moral. His change of heart as he saw the boy being beaten was exactly what we would want someone to experience, isn't it? Wouldn't we want to see that kind of moral transformation in the should of a man? It seems to me that the rest of the text is quite enlightened, something we could all learn from and, I would hope to God, also applaud.

@ludwigvonsowell5347

Жыл бұрын

It’s the Liam Neeson treatment. You can never admit to having a heinous thought ever.

While the phrase that Tucker uses is at best antiquated, I'm surprised that John McWhorter doesnt recognise this turn of phrase as a reference to the (racist?) notion that modern (post enlightenment) europeans are more civilized. Think dueling, think of the British set up squares during the revelutionary war. It goes hand in hand with phrases like "the white man's burden". In short I think that he (Carlson)feels this type of attack is not a proper way to do things. Remember Tuker is an effete preppy at heart.

How dare he not put a doctoral dissertation in a private text to a friend where he was getting to the point of not demonizing the other side. I’m sorry. That is disgusting.

Bravo, Glenn.

I wished you had talked about the entire body of that private text message instead of simply getting stuck on one sentence. It seems to me that the text was leaked in order to have other media figures use it to castigate Tucker Carlson about racism. You could have enriched your conversation by addressing the greater meaning of the whole paragraph, i.e. being ashamed of yourself when you cheer on a bad act. The very moment that he used the words "white men" appears to have blocked any possibility of understanding what he was saying about himself.

@chuckleberryfinn1992

Жыл бұрын

Tucker, being a white man, can talk about white men. I wonder if they do read further thru the text, and their comments. It's similar how he writes the monologues , imo.

Dr. Loury you are an absolute champion!! Please come to Australia!! Centre for Independent Studies!!

It’s funny to me that John declares him racist, when we ALL know Tucker is talking about “Omar”

John still tho is the riots where peaceful- 2 billion in damages later. Very peaceful

McWhorter expects Carlson to put as much thought into sending a casual private text as he’s putting into analyzing it, while being a mind-reader as well. And when you replace “white men” with “black men”, its all good. There’s plenty times we say black men don’t do this or that. I’m glad no one is reading my private texts sent in the moment. And even the “replacement” issue is something the Dems praised openly and frequently for years, but Carlson is a bigot for noticing it or acknowledging it?? 🤦🏾‍♂️ I’m with Loury on this segment 👍🏾

To Glenn’s point about the border; numerous public figures such as Joy Reid talk joyously about letting in Central Americans in order to capture democratic votes, so yes Tucker calling that out being called racist is just disingenuous or coming from a place of ignorance..

When did you become a mind reader John?

john is tucker carlson mocking or ridiculeing is own reaction to the situation by saying "white men don't fight like that " ?

@unwokist3579

Жыл бұрын

Good question. Of course he is. Read the rest of his text. He is being ironic, mocking his own initial unguarded racist impulse and then very clearly saying if I do this then "how am I better than he is?”

@user-vo4uo4re6d

Жыл бұрын

@@unwokist3579 Well said.

I remember one of my brother got his butt kick , and I told him that's not how Puerto Rican fight! 😂😂 This country got a interesting culture..

God bless Glenn Loury.

Now John, let's get down to cases and have you talk about music please!!!!!

"plays into the idea that there is a kind of violence that is somehow inherent too..." Sorry John, we see the videos every weekend.

@jeremyg1833

Жыл бұрын

yeah. Sometimes the truth hurts. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is there has been a cultural shift in the past 2 generations. Today, our kids see no problem at all "jumping", sucker punching, beating girls unconscious (sometimes as a group of boys), beating elderly strangers to death etc. They'll even boast about this behavior. Tucker is absolutely correct in being alarmed regarding seeing that behavior in his culture. Furthermore, I didn't need the internet to inform me of this. I've observed the change happen over my lifetime.

@dorothyslater2656

Жыл бұрын

Remember, John is getting a paycheck from the NYT and is now a bonfide member of the Columbia/NYT elite bubble. I have seen in him an arrogance I didn't notice before and yes, that might be my bias, but Glenn is the one i listen to and learn from. I love the guy.

@amccibils

Жыл бұрын

I am Hispanic and I always say I only know serial killers to be white. Is it racist or just plain true?

@christianman73

Жыл бұрын

I am white and have lived in a largely black and Hispanic area for two decades. My life here has been a peaceful one. No black or Hispanic person has ever even tried to become violent with me. Violence is not *inherent* to *any* racial/ethnic group. There are some violent people in every group, but violence is not *inherent* to any group.

@rdf098311

Жыл бұрын

@@amccibils it’s factually incorrect

Not enough meat on that text-message-bone to call Tucker racist. I feel like many people have said sketchy stuff about other groups in private. I mean, yeah I guess the comment is racist, but does that make him racist? I work with a smoker. She smokes every day. If I've smoked only once, am I smoker? I need more than "white people don't fight that way" before calling Tucker a racist. EDIT: By the way, Loury and McWhorter the most underrated duo out there. You BOTH should go on Joe Rogan... together! Probably would be most meaningful after some controversial social dilemma arises.

Good discussion. I always like the way Glenn thinks and typically agree with him....as I do here. I watched Tucker about how Glenn did from the sounds of it. I just don't see him as racist at all. I feel like those who say he is don't watch his show at all, but rather just hear clips with little context and lots of bias from those showing them. Tucker has guts and talks about topics that others just won't venture into for fear of being called a racist, transphobe, etc.

It shows how absurd our society has become with this whole race thing when they focus on the "that's not how white men fight" line and not the "I was hoping they'd kill that person" line.

I dont think there was anything wrong with that text!

Yes I agree it was a "bigoted" thing to say. Does that make him a racist? idk I myself have similar thoughts when I hear or read about flash mobs or attacks on asians. I'll say to myself " I bet it wasnt a white people." John's right on what it means. Idk if frustration about noticing the frequency of something makes one a racist though. Being right most often change anything?

@laertesindeed

Жыл бұрын

That's not what the definition of the word "bigoted" means...... you cannot describe anything said by Tucker in that quote as bigoted. And no, Tucker is not "my guy", nor does he speak for me........nor do I think it is accurate to say white people "do" fight in any particular way. Because there is no racial status for it.... Germans and Italians and Russians and Serbians and woke leftists on college campuses all over the United States that are themselves described as 'white' have shown that they will use violence in all manner of barbaric and extreme and disgusting ways. So there is nothing racial that stops anybody from acting in ways that are reprehensible. Nonetheless, if Tucker thinks that he is willing to chastise anybody in his own socio-economic-ethnic group for acting in a way that he thinks is not acceptable.....by all means, keep each other in line. That's what he was doing in that quote. If "ANYBODY" reads that quote and inserts their own reverse implication......namely that the listener thinks black people are repeatedly using that reprehensible violence.......then that is their own implication, not Tucker's. They should, as a listener or reader of the quote, do some intense soul searching of their own as to why they are not showing so much moral outrage against the black people who are repeatedly using that reprehensible violence all over the country.......as Tucker seems willing to use against his own peers.

I agree with Glenn. Such a smart guy!

Also, how would your private texts hold up to public scrutiny?

I'm pretty sure Tucker didn't mention black people in either of these issues... the text, or the conversation around the border. John, WTF are you talking about?

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Glenn - you are always so insightful. Tucker's comment sounds like something that would come out of a 19 year old frat brother not a 50 year old MSM journalist. Not sure it proves he's a racist - but that comment was unsolicited - it implies he sees an image of white folks behaving badly - and associates it with black folks - I find that racist.

@ninadaly7639

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Although it should be pointed out that Tucker’s level of arrogance and conceit usually doesn’t actually discriminate. I mean can you “discriminate” against everyone BUT yourself?

I really like how this discussion was conducted. I will like and follow. I would say that you must first look at the fact this was reportedly a private text not meant for public consumption. Secondly it was a reflection of thought. So when John talks about structure it could be that Tucker was expressing in a way the mainstream propaganda wants everything portrayed. When people are fed enough propaganda it sometimes becomes automatic to assimilate to your environments way of expressing. Think of all the people who visit places with a different accent and within a few days they change how they communicate to mimic the environment.

It doesn't help that most, if not all news outlets neglect to identify criminal suspects by ethnicity. The natural result is that people assume the suspect's ethnicity, reinforcing whatever prejudice they might have. The truth be damned, or not damned but ignored.

Also, if they put a hood on Tucker, prepare for many more "hoods" to start to showing up.

My feeling was that “white men” in they text was a shorthand for “gentlemen.” Gentlemen fight one one one, thugs go in a group. Morrissey sang about “three against one,” and he wasn’t talking about an inner city gang. Whether that implies a binary of white and Black is a different matter.

Glenn how brilliant is this guy. I will listen to Glenn any day. At first i thought Johb had him. But then again John is kinda agreeing with Tucker🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

John’s putting words in tuckers mouth- he never said what John’s insinuating- now jog s a mind reader I guess ? John has tucker Derangement syndrome ! Poor John - he knows nothing about tucker

John knows what is in the hearts and minds of all people

Why wouldn't been replaced make someone angry?

The Great Replacement is about Browns, not Blacks.

The entire transcript showed Tucker's remorse with what he was thinking when he actively cheered on the beating and how he saw himself becoming a person he did not want to be and how he STOPPED thinking that way. It was him, self reflecting on his own behavior and holding himself accountable for his own actions (even his thoughts and feelings) and attempting to address it. THAT is what John Mcwhorter is calling his "racism". "Tucker Carlson’s Text to a Producer EXHIBIT 276 Tucker Carlson January 7, 2021 - 04:18:04 PM UTC A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living shit out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?"

@julesyb7267

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Thank you for the full context of the quote.