You did so great on Maher, John, I was cheering for you. I learned so much.

Every word John and Glenn said was perfection. Bravo

9:40 There's no substitute for the objective demonstration of competency -- love that pov

You guys are right, and you're fighting the good fight. Thank you.

Glenn does a WONDERFUL job playing "devil's advocate" and saying what equity-proponents have in mind. It means he listens carefully, which is so refreshing in these days when sympathetic paraphrase is reserved for "my side" and the arguments of those with whom we disagree is only disparaged. (John has a good response!)

@greense65

Жыл бұрын

I've said the same thing, too. Glenn is simply one of the best (and most honest) steelmaners I've ever encountered. When he said he was going to play the devil's advocate at, what, about the 12 minute mark, I thought, "Oh boy, here we go again. John, you better get your best argument out!"

@monicabeaston4996

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. And John's response was good, but not definitive.

John McWhorter did great on Maher's show. Good you let him explain the difference between equity and equality. I hope everyone can see through it as you said, Glenn. You described it well too. I would add, nature doesn't create everything "equal." Everyone has different lessons to learn on earth. Equal opportunity is more free than forced equity. Lowering the bar for everything is rather insulting, as John said.

Equality: Allow equal chance of opportunity Equity: Allow(or rather force ) equality of results

@monicabeaston4996

Жыл бұрын

True, but equity ( and CRT) also takes into account as Loury sets forth in his devil advocate 's position that a current system of " equal opportunity" conceptually should not exist in an historical vaccum. One example- my father helped his family build generational wealth through access to a GI Bill not available to his Black counterparts.

@thegoodpimps

Жыл бұрын

Equality could only exist with Equity. How can there be an equal opportunity without there already have been an equal result?

jeez, john, i really love your indignation. you're totally right: it's like saying you were born dumb!!

John at his best. Brilliant.

Oh god I wish we had intellectuals like you both in Canada.

@aranisles8292

Жыл бұрын

There's really so few people Canada with the guts to venture into the space of independent media. Well, Rex Murphy does a bit, and Jordan Peterson, but doesn't deal directly with the Canadian scene much anymore. You might want to check out Gad Saad, though. He's an intellectual on a mission.

@russellharvey7096

Жыл бұрын

Jonathan Kay (from Toronto, I believe) on Quillette podcast is very good. And brave, from what I can see.

@lyonellaverde3135

8 ай бұрын

I wish we had health insurance like you do in Canada.

@dale9724

8 ай бұрын

@@russellharvey7096 Jonathan Kay is a brilliant journalist. Not sure if he’s a public intellectual.

@dale9724

8 ай бұрын

@@lyonellaverde3135 I wish you did, too. Our constitution is quite different from yours.

Equity = no crab gets out of the bucket

@briane173

Жыл бұрын

THAT is more to the point. "It's not fair that we're miserable so we're going to level out the playing field to where _everybody_ lives as miserable an existence as we are." That's equity -- shared misery.

John and Glenn are the🐐

i don't trust anybody who doesn't understand or pretends not to understand the distinction between "equality" and "equity"

@py_a_thon

Жыл бұрын

The examples from Equity proponents often explains the idea quite well. And in some forms, the idea makes sense. Someone with more money than you should always have better healthcare? Or should someone really poor also get a very high standard of care? Equality of outcomes may have value in that form. (And spoiler alert: rich people are still almost always going to get better stuff. Tall heavy people will probably kick your face. Smart people will fly in private jets and go to black tie events to receive a Fields Medal. Etc.) In regards to the neccessities of life, there is still value to optimizing existence in regards to equity. And that probably will require equal playing fields that try to find the einsteins, and develop their skills to save the world from and for us plebs

@deenzmartin6695

Жыл бұрын

@@py_a_thon no

@py_a_thon

Жыл бұрын

@@deenzmartin6695 No what?

You should ask Bill M to have you both on!! Huge fan of your content and your character (grammatically incorrect) :) Great show guys!!

Sitting with George Carlin is not a failure.

nice! great stuff

Could be completely off base but I would assume the majority of Americans don’t understand that there is any difference between “equity” and “equality”. 😒

legendary

The best part of these talks is when Glenn plays devil's advocate. It's as close as we can get to actually hearing an honest debate on these issues.

I think Trump is a lot more aware of his rhetoric and style choices than they give him credit for. He knows what he's doing, it's been honed over a whole career of having a public persona. Maher, in particular, has a bad case of TDS. It's an attitude that serves his comedy, but he's come to believe his jokes are telling the plain truth. No, Bill, they're just jokes.

Seeing over the fence via a box is not the same thing as many, if not most, of the issues where equity is used as a tool. John hit it out of the park! Being born short is not the same thing--the same fucking thing--as being born dumb. Damned right!

Almost every profession merely has a Standard. Not "whose " standard, just The Standard

Prefer John's demeanor on here to Maher's show. Somewhat funny but to me sounded like pandering to the crowd.

Let's talk about why there is a fence in the first place. The "fence", if it represents the exclusion of certain types based on discrimination/ privilege, is a representation of different man-made constructions that are designed to keep certain types out. Let us entertain the idea that perhaps the short girl brought along those boxes or purchased them herself through hard work. If she elevated herself after being given the opportunity to do so then why should she be admonished? The meaning behind the analogy may not suggest that one was "born dumb" concerning tests, but that until they were given the chance at passing the test by the people who go around making examinations (i.e., erecting fences), there was little to nothing they could do to have access to gainful employment. The real concern here is the thinking that immediately deduces that one standing on boxes infers they are dumb versus hard[er]-working. What right do we have--in our ignorance--to say they were given these boxes by crutches like AA versus given the opportunity to obtain them?

Whelp John McWhorter has gone and done it again, he made me 💯agree with him on the reality of equity. That is probably just cause my skin color makes me have the racisms.

@py_a_thon

Жыл бұрын

You are gettin the vapors I do declare. :) (I think that joke would potentially convince John or Glenn to laugh lol)

Funny how Canada barely registers. Canada once had a female prime minister. That high ranking official was Kim Campbell. Granted, she was only in the job for a few months, but given her gender and America's desperation to have it's own 1st female president, you'd think that at least would have a bit of an impact.

"Some high ranking official from Canada"? She was the [then recently former] Prime Minister! It's amazing how little learned Americans seem to know abut the world beyond their own borders. Search "Talking to Americans". Love your conversations, by the way.

the Maher show, as usual, was full of arrogance and false pride.........DeSantis, btw, is very smart and handled covid extremely well....

@JMo-uh5cd

Жыл бұрын

Right? Its funny watching old school liberals teetering towards getting red-pilled, but pulling back short of saying anything completely positive about a Republican. It strikes me as a sort of cognitive dissonance.

@jenniferabel2811

Жыл бұрын

I mostly enjoy Maher's shtick, partly because I agree with him about a lot of things; but yeah, he's a little prick.

@monicabeaston4996

Жыл бұрын

He did, and then....he overreached. Ego goes before a fall. Enjoy the Sunshine State DeChamberlain.

@johnl5316

Жыл бұрын

@@monicabeaston4996 ?

@monicabeaston4996

Жыл бұрын

@John L I was OK with the alleged " Don't Say Gay" bill because why not in K-3? But extending it to high school after all the horror stories I am hearing about the harassment of gay teachers just minding their own businesses? Nope.. OK to take on Disney's special status but overruling private business cruise ships' ' efforts to protect their workers? Maybe Mr. Wanna- be dictator has forgotten those petri dish Covid cruise ships struggling to find a port? The true ugliness in targeting confused poor Black ex- felons with dawn criminal " voting" arrests when clearly there were understandable honest misunderstandings and even the arresting police were practically apologizing to the targets, for what? Fun to be mean? Finally, if nothing else, viewing Ikraine crisis as only a." territorial dispute " and especially voicing that out loud is one not- ready- for, the - prime - time mistake. Turns out DeChamberlain. Isn't as smart as he think he is.

Trump as smart as a box of hair? Come on, John. That's mean and unworthy of you.

@chucklindenberg1093

Жыл бұрын

I do support Trump for the most part, but I do think that was a brilliant line from John. We and Trump have to start being honest with ourselves about Trump's failures as well as pointing out his successes. Trump definitely failed to get rid of the swamp, and I don't even know if that is possible to actually accomplish. At this point I have no doubt that it is absolutely necessary to remove the current swampiness of the Fed government. If Trump wants to be successful as POTUS he needs to solve that issue immediately if he wins in 2024, and so he needs to build coalition of people to accomplish that goal even before he gets into office in 2024. Which honestly from my perspective is why he failed to get rid of/was unable to do anything about the swamp after he won in 2016. All of the government disfunction that is occurring now is because of the deep state protectionism that was fostered by both Bush and Obama.

If you have goals and schedules that are start up aggressive, there's no lowering of standards. Under those conditions I hired Black candidates because they stood out as the best. We had no DEI VP to tell me I had to lower my expectations and I wouldn't have unless I got some relief from my set goals to compensate for my hiring "less qualified candidates" which isn't gonna happen when your aggressively growing a business. Think about needing life or death care...do you want competence standing over you or a DEI hire? BTW those folks I hired thrived and were well rewarded, even though all this took place decades ago when there were "more barriers". Which proves hard studying and hard work are color blind advantages and lead to a winner! It was true then and should be now!

When people talk about and react to Trump, I always learn more about them than him. All these galaxy brains, living in abject fear of a guy they can't stop talking about, a guy whose support would fade a bit if only they would stop talking about him. Meanwhile, equity, the impossible standard. I look forward to its application in the NFL and NBA. Oh, wait; no, I don't. I prefer a setting in which merit matters and the guys playing got their by earning it.

It's not technically live? What!?!?

@Google_Censored_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

there's a live audience, but it isn't actually being broadcasted live, that's why they have graphics on the screen you know. Someone edited that in later.

@chrisocony

Жыл бұрын

@@Google_Censored_Commenter I know it used to be live and I see that starting in January 2022, they stopped broadcasting live at 10 PM ET and now it's recorded at 7 pm.

you got more laughs than Bill lol

Bill maher has never watched Family Ties 🤔

TDS makes people underestimate Trump. That's what he wants.

Bill Maher...Bumper sticker philosophy.

I still miss Carlin

i think hes conflating being dumb with being less skilled.

was there ever a time in glenn's or john's past when they were the token black .. ??

@DouglasHarding-hu1jc

13 сағат бұрын

Token or just free thinking?

I love John, but this is so funny. White parents are perfectly fine with not having their children's test scores count in college applications, if they think it gives them a leg up on " those smart Asian kids". Not only do they not probably care people think that that means their kids are not as " smart" as their Asian counterparts, pretty sure as a white person that at least privately they would totally concede the point at least as to test scores. But they don't care as long their kids get inside the door. Pragmatism is a great American value. I don't believe for a minute that our white Supreme Court Justices currently are the best choices America could have put on that bench. I don't care about their test scores either because they haven't prevented them from making stupid decisions whatever they were . Or maybe a majority of them really thought reinstating " pre- existing" conditions in the health care arena was a good idea.

@py_a_thon

Жыл бұрын

If someone wants to build a library for struggling students so their progeny can get into a fancy school...I am not sure of what my opinion is. That seems like a winwin. 2 million dollars to a uni and a basic student goes to a fancy place they may fail out of? I dunno man. Think of it like a bogo. You buy your way in and pay for others to get more merit based scholarships and opportunities? Who knows. Game Theory is complicated and human emotions often mess up the ideas anyways. Twitter would drag me so hard for even thinking about that lol.

I would like 3 Examples of Donald Trump being SOOO awful....cite sources. Donald Trump was a pretty darn good Center/Right Republican President. Anyone want to compare him with Grand Pa Joe?

@brianmeen2158

Жыл бұрын

I have learned that Trump cannot be rationally discussed .. it’s juSt not possible - he broke peoples minds

@jamesbarton1969

Жыл бұрын

Stupid, not awful. Examples I have the best words, can you sound any less intelligent. Announcing and having a rally on Jan, expecting it to accomplish anything other than getting his name in the papers while giving his foes a perfect chance to set him and his supporters up, coming out against Kaepernick's constitutional BLM protests and not expect to be labeled racist, insisting on his beautiful 30 ft cement wall when the bollard fencing works far better and would be an extension of what Obama was doing so that the Dems would have the choice of supporting AOC or Obama. I can keep going on and on, smart as a box of hair sounds about right. Now he is insulting DeSantis just as he disrespected McCain and others. This is something you let others do.Trump would rather the Republican lose in 2024 than anyone other them him is the nominee.

@stevenwiederholt7000

Жыл бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 "he broke peoples minds" Not mine.

@jilla82

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenwiederholt7000 the way youre ready to defend him and compare to Biden says you are the other half of the "broken minded"

@stevenwiederholt7000

Жыл бұрын

@@jilla82 Defend him in comparison to Grand Pa Joe? Any day of the week (his warts and all).

No equity means forced yes

4:48 - "high ranking Can official" ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell