My Dad worked hard his whole life, moved our family to another state to be able to move up in his company & 8 years later moved our family to another region of the US, again to move up in the company. He always promised us we’d go back home one day. We never did. In the 80s & 90s when companies moved jobs out of the US and merged with other companies, my Dad had to take an early retirement. He never talked about it but I know he’d planned to work until 65. His house was sold to pay for nursing home care when he could no longer care for himself. But after all those years of working hard, there wasn’t a lot left. I think this is the case for many Americans. I think the concept of generational wealth is only true for the very wealthy.

@ab-hx8qe

Жыл бұрын

Most American homes don't maintain generational wealth for more than 2 generations. Generational wealth is a myth that never existed.

@Bloom5056

Жыл бұрын

Sadly this is all too true

@therealthreadkilla

Жыл бұрын

My family was similar. My dad died with a paid off condo but he died accidentally so he could have lived longer and then the costs would have eaten that all up. We got $14K for each kid. I wouldn't call that generational wealth. BUT why would all 40,000,000 blacks be part of the equation? Not all 40,000,000 are descendants of slavery. There were blacks that did indeed own slaves, do their descendants get reparations? Native American tribes owned slaves, do they pay reparations?

@balancematters2776

Жыл бұрын

Well said - my family’s paternal lineage predates the American Revolution, products of indentured servitude and cross-generational working class. My great-grandpa served in the Illinois infantry during the Civil War, fighting for both the nation and the emancipation of slaves. He got shot in the arm, was captured and spent time in a southern prison, but luckily survived. Half the young boys from his home town never came home from that war, instead left dead in a southern battlefield. (And, yet, still no talk of Civil War descendants receiving reparations - hmmm???) My Dad finally worked enough jobs to save up for law school at a public university in the 1950s, becoming the first in his lineage to attend college. He became a small-town lawyer serving rural residents in Montana. He was not exactly rolling in dough as a country lawyer, but accumulated relative wealth, which allowed the purchase of a home, which was later liquidated and spent on skilled nursing care for him and my Mom, both of whom drew bad luck in their physical health. Medical costs ate through my parents life savings. They had very little to pass on to their kids, despite being hard workers, taxpayers, and responsible community participants. Each kid received $125 from a life insurance policy and $800 from the sale of my Mom’s disabled mobility van. Sometimes luck plays a role - but for many Americans, there is no generational wealth passed on.

@zhaw4821

Жыл бұрын

Immigrant here. Myself and ALL other immigrants I know from my country, we ARE leaving generation al wealth. LOTS of it!!!!!!

The best thing about the entire pandemic and BLM fiasco was that I was able to discover these 2 fine gentlemen. It is great listening to and knowing there are reasonable, rational people out there. Thank you Glenn and John.

@NONIROSE

9 ай бұрын

Me 2

Gotta love Glenn's energy and John's calmness in this video. Hot topic disected with humorous sharpness, wonderful to listen to.

@12Squared

5 ай бұрын

it's so funny to me. I was telling a penpal about these guys and that Glenn is more bombastic emotionally like I am and that I admire John for his ability to stay calm and separate his emotions from discourse. I feel that way when I watch Coleman Hughes and old interviews with Roland Fryer... as though they are so invested in the discussion and in understanding your point of view that their emotions are second to the learning. It's both sides of my nature to watch these guys talk because I WANT to be like John and almost always get emotional and passionate like Glenn. :D LOL

Glenn, your point was expertly and succinctly stated and it really could not be expressed any better than your delivery of it in this message. This video is so important and it must be shared. Don't stop Glenn, or John. Your voices and your logical approach to rationale is needed now more than ever. Not all of us can express ourselves as eloquently as you have done here today. Thank you.

I am a white and grew up middle class. My parents didn’t leave me a house nor any inheritance. Their parents didn’t leave them a house either. I had to make my own way, and save. There are loads of poor white people who haven’t benefited from ‘generational wealth’. And there a tons of very rich black people who are also descendants of slaves. How did they make it?

@mostlyguesses8385

Жыл бұрын

... In the past US govt was jerk. I do wonder how women feel mostly having no power til 1970s but now being told they owe reparations for what white men did. My aunt wanted a career but best she could do was marry a jerk who left her w 3 kids. She struggled as divorcee and had a not great life but managed to finally have part of a career. But apparently she owes reparations for her lucky life?.. Asians werent allowed in country clubs and business meetings in Midwest til 1980s... But they too owe.. White men maybe should pay, but hilarious that women and asians also are expected to pay for how US was unfair to blacks til 1970....... Some people do have it lucky, any handsome man, we can admit that but also laugh at idea that unlucky too should pay, this shows there is little logic it's mostly nonsense...

@mikewayne6608

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Cathy. Good comments 💯🙏✌️

@dotenks

8 ай бұрын

yeah lol no one cares about your story, cut the check bruh

It's unfortunate that Glenn's message will never reach the ears of the people who need to hear it the most.

@freddieoblivion6122

Жыл бұрын

You can say the same about ALL the decent intellectuals online - Peterson, Lyndsay, etc, etc

@stephencarter7266

Жыл бұрын

Glenn's not really saying _anything_ .

@BB-ou2zv

Жыл бұрын

To paraphrase a similar saying, there are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

@stephencarter7266

Жыл бұрын

@@BB-ou2zv Son, what I mean is that Glenn is stating the painfully OBVIOUS! The problem is a lack of vision and masculine leadership from our so-called intelligencia.

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

They are only speaking to white conservatives.

If "black" people all made this agreement that if they got some amount of money and we'd never have to hear about racism from them again, I'd take that deal. But that's not the deal. The deal is, "Pay me and I'll do nothing different than what I'm doing right now." F that noise.

@mr2981

Жыл бұрын

And when it doesn't change anything, those same people will be back again for more.

@stephencarter7266

Жыл бұрын

Black people can no more "agree" to those things than _YOU_ and your people can _agree_ about gender pronouns. Nothing happens without strong leadership.

@riaa8689

Жыл бұрын

​@@stephencarter7266 ouch

@ilfautdanser9121

Жыл бұрын

@@stephencarter7266 does this mean black people are in agreement about pronouns? perhaps i missed something

@stephencarter7266

Жыл бұрын

@@ilfautdanser9121 Black folks are almost unanimously _against_ pronoun accommodations for your alternative lifestyles. So yeah, you probably have missed something.

Ok i had to jump back in and say how moved I am by Glenn's passion and eloquence. The man explains my feeling in a manner that is FAR more succinct and compelling than I can. I'm too scared to be called in a racist in my corner of the world.

Thank you Glenn & John. Your conversations are always interesting, always entertaining, and, even when hard, always heartening.

4:33 "You have to enhance your ability to generate value in order to be able to hold wealth"...nuff said.

Loury/McWhorter 2024 🇺🇲

Thank God for you. Much love to you both.

"I wouldnt want to be given money [that wasnt directly denied to me]." I think McWhorter shows here how different the older generation is from the younger. I recently made a similar statement on Reddit about some large amount of government money that I could easily have illicitly claimed, but chose not to because it wasn't actually owed to me. So many comments basically called me an idiot for not taking everything I could get, with the reasoning being that someone was going to get that money anyway, so it might as well have been me. It was like the concept of personal integrity was foreign to them.

Excellent commentary, every point was salient and succinct. This is must-see and must-hear content.

Totally agree, it's pathetic that throwing a tantrum to make 87% of the population. Pay for something they had nothing to with.

@JeffCaplan313

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that just called taxes?

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

The government is responsible for the debt. The government owes the debt. The government sanctioned the destruction of all black towns. Richard Nixon passed the crime bill to specifically target black families. Jim Crow, Redlining, separate and unequal education, benign neglect, the Highway Act, school to prison pipeline, FBI targeting black representatives(Just Like Trump😁), denial of the G.I.Bill, denial of assistance to black farmers, benign neglect in major cities, denied 40 acres and a mule, denied land grants that made white farmers rich…etc. Of course white men don’t want a level playing field.

@newmannewmanz7110

Жыл бұрын

They should start reparations with Africa first, African who catch and sold African

@theway68wb

Жыл бұрын

We do it every war

@artiefischel2579

Жыл бұрын

@@theway68wb Fair point. Why don't we start with the Punic Wars? You know, Hannibal crossing the Alps? What should the descendants of Africa pay the Italians for that? What's the accumulated interest over 2000 years?

That was a great story about the August Wilson play 😅 I enjoyed the whole conversation as always 👏

GLENN! Amazing detail to the point. So incredibly astute sir, so well explained.

Don't stop, guys. Yours are the beautifully spoken voices of reason and sanity. (Unfortunately, neither reason nor sanity are in fashion at the moment.) We need you!! In this political climate, you won't be heard, won't be honored. But we're here, and we're listening. Gratefully.

What about Native Americans

After seeing the title of the clip, I had high expectations, but boy, were those exceeded! What a knockdown from Glenn!

This talk about redlining. I'm not sure what to think about it. I don't know. But I can remember hearing about redlining when I was a young boy. But considering when I heard about it, redlining that is, two of my mothers sisters along with their husbands owned property. One had a two story duplex and next door there was a black couple that owned a two story apartment building in which they lived on the second floor and rented out the first floor in the major city in which my family lived. The other aunt and uncle lived on the south side of the city in a single family ranch style home. During this time one of my sisters married and she and her husband lived in Ohio on the second floor of a building which downstairs had a mom and pop store that they owned. Another sister married a man whose parents were home owners and lived in a suburb of the city I lived and grew up in. That sisters husband soon bought a two story building in which they lived in. As I said, I'm not so sure about how bad redlining was where I grew up. It seemed more like there were various neighborhoods that blacks could not live in but that did not forestall black home ownership. Moreover, white people were segregating themselves. There were Italian neighborhoods and Polish neighborhoods, etc., but a big deal was made because black people could not live in certain white neighborhoods in this major city I grew up in. Maybe in the major city I grew up in things were different than other cities and redlining had a greater effect on blacks elsewhere.

These two guys operate on a different intellectual level, and their ability to communicate is similarly unparalleled.

Glenn’s retort to the reparations argument is amazing. So well put and delivered, my jaw nearly dropped at some moments.

Glenn understands fairness. I greatly admire that quality.

I swear to God, the two of you form the anchor of sanity for non-Americans like me looking on and wringing our hands, afraid America, which is the planet the rest of the world lives on, is going to explode. Thanks again for all your conversations.

Glen i am with you all the way.

If you take a successful business man and strip him of everything, he will in short order begin rebuilding what he had as that is his habit and attitude toward life. If you give an impoverished person without special skills or knowledge a fortune, they will immediately begin spending away that fortune as if it was petty cash until they are broke again because that is how they understand money to work. I'm too old to label this virtue or vice, or other religious judgments meant for children, it is simply a behavioral reality when talking about populations. If you give a beaver a pile of wood and stick him in the middle of a river he'll build a dam. If you give a cat a pile of wood and stick him in the middle of a river, he'll flip out, scratch at your eyes, and maybe drown. You can't change a cat into a beaver, but you can take an impoverished person and teach him financial skills (however wildly individual results will differ), but dropping a fantasy fortune on his lap would not teach him anything or change him for the better. And engaging in a decades old, unserious debate about considering whether or not that fantasy fortune should be dropped in his lap REALLY does absolutely nothing for him. The NPR-level, academic discussion about race in this country may as well be taking place on Mars, these professors and columnists have no connection to real life.

@brucehumphries6889

Жыл бұрын

Wished I could copy this. Well said.

This is spot on.

Excellent perspectives and appreciate your content. Love your channel Glenn.

Glenn Loury great wisdom!

Absolutely brilliant, as always!!

Been a few months since I listened to Glenn. 6 minutes in, I'm laughing out loud - " Here's the deal ... He's a lightweight John"

@ninadaly7639

Жыл бұрын

I shudder to think what that makes you.

@safetythirdified

Жыл бұрын

That is still the greatest of all time rants. It should be made into a speech "Where is the ERUDITION...!?!?"

@willmercury

Жыл бұрын

​@@ninadaly7639 You're a class act.

beautiful words Glenn

It seems to me that the discourse around reparations fails to take into account that 70% of inherited wealth is lost within one generation and 90% is lost within two generations. (according to the Williams Group wealth consultancy) Yet we are supposed to think that normal people would invest their wealth like some next level Warren Buffet. And after reoperations are handed out we expect people to mange it an keep allocating capital within the family from generation to generation like professional investors?

@peacehappyb237

Жыл бұрын

None of that matters because it is a debt owed. It is not for the racist system no for slavery itself but for lost generational wealth that gov't stole. This caused many Native USA blacks to lose generational wealth by gov't. They paid other groups before they can do the same to a specific group( not race-based).

@martinguila

Жыл бұрын

@@peacehappyb237 Yes if you are owed you are owed. My point was that i dont think it is likely that reperations would solve problems of inequality long term. I do think reperations make sense whithin the lifetime of the victim. But i think it becomes an impossible equation to pay for the sins of history.

Wow, that's some straight talk. Tough, but true.

There is an inherent assumption in the redlining argument which is that there was wealth that was passed on to succeeding generations for those families that didn't experience redlining in their home purchase. Has there been any studies that support that conclusion. Those homeowners could also have used that money themselves to provide for their retirement, pay late-in-life medical bills, provide elder care, etc. The entire reverse mortgage industry was created so that homeowners could use the equity in their homes to live off of and improve their quality of life in later years. Assuming some of it was passed on to further generations, then how much was actually realized on a per capita basis. I don't know anyone that got more than an inconsequential amount from the estate of their parents, including myself. Older people often downsize their home, releasing that equity so that they can use it. Ignoring the realities of how this "wealth" was utilized and simply comparing the differences between home values in redlined versus non-redlined neighborhoods is an over simplification done to benefit a political point of view.

Thank God for these guys. Truly.

I love you guys!

Glenn is a intelligent brother

That was amazing. Glenn was in his element and forcefully eloquent.

On fire!!!

Spitting 🔥

Glenn went beast mode here

Bless you, Glenn Loury. So many cowards in this world won't stand up and say these things.

"Rosalie's Good Eats Cafe" (Bobby Bare) came to mind Mr. Loury talking about the play

I have this argument with so many of my black brothers and I told them it is undignified

Hey Glenn, very enjoyable. I'm going to throw down the old '40 Acres and a Mule', and I'm Irish. What do we do with that trope? Cheers, Lee

I love these two intellectuals and most of what they have to say about a myriad of topics. However, in the comment section, I get a sense of covert racism from many of the responders in the same way I do while reading comments under a Sowell, Candace Owens video (insert conservative black etc). It seems that as long as their topics seem to scold or dunk on much of black thought and perspective, people in the comments are eager to proclaim this as something "all blacks should hear" because somehow if blacks just all acted and thought in this way that everything would be better. It really makes it tough sometimes to be a black centrist or independent because you often find yourself around closeted bigots who are fine with black people as long as they are singing their tune. Reparations is a very tough subject to grasp for some. It is very nuanced. There are other examples of America paying reparations to specific groups for far less than what African-Americans had to endure not only during slavery, but in the immediate aftermath of slavery such as Jim Crow and leading all the way up until the passing of civil rights legislation. Those black slaves and their descendants have never been given the same economic advantages that other immigrant groups were able to obtain simply because they had the right skin tone. The Italians, Irish, and other European immigrant groups all received handouts during the "New Deal" that allowed then to gain advantages in certain industries. For crying it loud we just as recently as 2015 we payed reparations to holocaust survivors when none of us had anything to do with that. But those reparations/hand outs were fine. I just find it odd that when it comes to African Americans the rules change. The racism even continues to "how will they use the money"? I guess its assumed that we all will go buy drugs, rims, shoes, and hair and nail products. When Covid funds were dispersed to everyone, those conversations about "what will they do with the money" were mostly non-existent. Or they talked about in a positive manner. Just things to think about.

They will not work because you can never give them enough. never!

This topic of reparations reminds me of people who won the lottery but never develop any good money skills or have healthy beliefs around money. They always wind of bankrupt No matter how much lottery winners get, they always somehow find a way to spend it all and wind up back where they started I think this same thing would happen with most black Americans and reparations

@rdkirk3834

Жыл бұрын

@JLdreamer289 Glen and John didn't talk about that, but you're right. We already know statistically that a dollar does not remain in the black community for over 24 hours. I would expect that reparations will have filtered through most of the recipients' hands within a few months. There is always talk about "starting businesses," but most businesses fail within a year, and most others never succeed in providing a living wage. It's only a minority of people who have the acumen...and the luck...to start and manage a successful business over the long term. A reparations check will _not_ fix us.

@DanceswithHyenas

11 ай бұрын

You could also look at the statistics of players in the NBA or NFL who go broke. Forgotten the figure but I think it's as high as 78% who go broke despite earning millions during their careers. Being given millions does not guarantee you a better quality of life or better standard of living in the long term. In fact, if you do not know how to 'create wealth' in the modern world, being given millions will make you considerably worse off in the long term.

@JLDreamer289

11 ай бұрын

@@DanceswithHyenas this is a extremely good point! You can give people all the money in the world but if they don’t have healthy beliefs around money and the skills to manage it.. sooner or later they will loose it and be back where they started I wish cutting a check really did permanently fix the issues of the world, but it simply doesn’t

@dotenks

8 ай бұрын

and what about the 22% that don’t?

@dotenks

8 ай бұрын

you’re pretending as if the average black american spends their money like a gambling addict instead of an average person who can’t even make enough to support such a lifestyle lmfao

It may not fix everything but it certainly can help. If certain decendants of slaves don't want reparations, I will be happy to take theirs.

I hope you will have Dr. Claud Anderson on the show someday

@Brotherken1234

Жыл бұрын

That would be a blockbuster event.

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

They don’t want that smoke.

Thanks for ending the talk with some humor --- I laughed with you two...

Oh! Glenn and John, your opinions on REPARATIONS speaks to all ordinary self-respecting and decent people. We are all equal before God, and imperfectly equal before the law. Those that fall through the cracks "through no fault of their own" should get a hand-up. We are not born equal, and I support John Rowls theories to level the playing field. But, that's it "Life on Earth can be very difficult.

What is Jim Crow and redlining please?

Do yo pay your car note and mortgage on the basis of whether or not the bank will succeed or fail with or without it?

The status of the recipients of reparations would return to its original state within months. It would simply be a economic stimulus check. On the other hand, lets offer: you get reparations, and in turn, food stamps, welfare, medicaid, affirmative action, and other entitlement programs will be federally and state eliminated and you won't be able to ask for more, forever. Via contract. Deal?

An absolutely cracking excerpt of two of the manifest giants of the American intellectual Majesterium -- Glenn Loury brings a deconstruct of tsunami like power and and remorselesnness that just rolls over the shantytown of justificatiions for reparations - and Mcwhorter as ever .... with that surgical yet silken gravitas that is his wont - Just great stuff .... And it was hilarious to boot !

The worst aspect of reparations is holding out the prospect of something you can't possibly deliver.

@peacehappyb237

Жыл бұрын

He doesn't understand what reparations are. It isn't race-based but lineage based to people who actually lost/ or had their generational wealth stolen by the gov't.

@bobbyschannel349

11 ай бұрын

What are we going to do, continue to let white people beat his dominating race,? You have a huge black American subculture as a result of slavery and racism, black people are running around here speaking a European language have European names, live inside of a society that is ran by Europeans, the financial institutions, the educational curriculum, the political organization, the media the military.

If you give every black person a million dollars now, even with the economical implication this will have for the rest of society, most likely before a year more than half of them will be screaming for more money "reparations". It is a cultural issue and the causes to some extent could be traced to slavery but at some point they need to take responsibility for their actions or they never will be out of poverty no matter how much money is thrown at them.

@mr2981

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@kkampy4052

Жыл бұрын

Think about the athletes who make millions of dollars a year for 10 or 12 years and then ten years after they retire they're out of money. This is exactly what will happen. There will still be no hand down of money to Future Generations

@smelltheglove2038

Жыл бұрын

I love how they yell about not being able to buy a home but, uh, no one can afford to buy a first home and it’s been that way for almost two decades.

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

Take it from the trillions that the Pentagon can’t find.

@mostlyguesses8385

Жыл бұрын

... No. 80% of black people have same habits as whites. They just have more deatbeats, say 20%. Us whites have like 5% deadbeats and rising. Saying ALL blacks would waste the reparations money is ignoring most blacks are just as normal as whites. Most lottery winners don't blow their money, we shouldn't exaggerate how dumb people are to be dramatic... . It's like saying all Italians are mafia, no most are boring hard workers.... But yes the activists can admit 80% of blacks are doing fine, they want all to be paid... So it leads to us all thinking there are no good black people, what a crazy world we live in....

💯 💯 💯

Quality education seems to me to be an issue that needs to be addressed.

@py_a_thon

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps quality education opportunities are an aspect of reparitions that will effect people based on their modality of disenfranchisement as opposed to an immutable characterization such as race, disability, gender, sexuality and culture ties? (I would say religion as the final element, yet tbh, you can actually change your religion, actions and thoughts. The other aspects seem to trend further towards immutable.)

@ninadaly7639

Жыл бұрын

But if parents won’t discipline their children, the children will not develop self-discipline, without which the CAN NOT learn!

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

@@py_a_thon quality education has always been fought against by white people. You must be ignorant about “Separate but Equal “.🤡

@halfdome4158

Жыл бұрын

@@py_a_thon Nice meaningless statement. There are 107 HBCUs in the US. First one established in 1837. I wouldnt believe it if I read it in a novel.....107 universities established for a minority ethnic group. There is only a 35% graduation rate among them. And that is after 6 years!!!!!!!! Only 15% of blaq 8th graders in the US can read at grade level. Shall I go on???????? By the way, Mexico, Central and South America have done NOTHING for their blaq slave descendants. They have never been part of the larger society as they have been here. And Mexico only officially/ federally recognized them as an ethnic group, black Mexicans in 2020 when they were first included in the Census!!!! No one says a word. No outcry or outrage. No one cares. Same with their Indian tribes. They have done NOTHING for them. They have Mexican citizenship. That's it. Again, no one cares. India's slave descendants are classified as Untouchables and live apart. You cant trace slave descendants of China or the Middle East and North Africa because they castrated their millions of slaves. Didnt want them to get into their gene pools. No one says a word. No one cares. I can go on and on and on. Who but whhyte people does anything for anyone in this world???? No one.

When I think of how hard my white parents and grandparents worked, and how hard I worked, and the sacrifices we all made, and how hard my children are working now-all without any generational inheritances passed down- it really pisses me off to hear that some black people think they deserve checks from any of us.

@mostlyguesses8385

Жыл бұрын

... Working 40 hours is not relatively hard. Working 70 hours digging ditches or factory in 1940s now thats hard. All Americans have it easy now by any historical standard. We just waste it buying big houses bigger than parents when our families are smaller and don't eat in as much, and on cars when our parents had beater cars.... Any immigrant laughs at claims that Americans deserve to moan how hard they work... I'm lazy but I don't deny it.... Our ancestors had dreadful life, let's feel lucky, moaning is fun though.... I'm just saying what my grandma would say, she saw 40 hours a week office work as pathetically lazy...

@dannysullivan3951

Жыл бұрын

My white grandparents, who worked hard, eventually had black servants, who also worked hard but didn't make much.

@WayneLynch69

Жыл бұрын

@@dannysullivan3951 "The average NBA player's salary is $10million/year...but 78% declare bankruptcy five years after retirement" THAT'S A LOT....but five years later another "reparation" will be demanded

@dannysullivan3951

Жыл бұрын

@@WayneLynch69So blacks will waste money because they’re stupid then ask for more reparations? That doesn’t address the issue of whether they are owed in the first place, but I’ll take a wild guess and say you are on the ‘no’ side of that issue. DeSantis/Trump ‘24

@dotenks

8 ай бұрын

@@WayneLynch69it’s pretty telling that the first thing you think about when it comes to black people is the NBA 💀

5:25 My opinion is perhaps odd, yet perhaps I am on a similar wavelength? Throwing money at a problem in a macro scale form does not necessarily solve a problem. However, civil engineering and community development projects seem to be quite effective at providing a very high intangible(and perhaps tangible gain via the ROI metric) when compared to the initial investment v. results. There are several forms of this in both the public and private sectors; and the intersection of those power structs. To name a few: Scholarships, broadband access, open source education resources, community centers, the collaboration between industry and education, the collaboration between military and entrepeneurs...even a goddamned park with some chill space and sports areas can change a space. If we spend trillions of dollars: we should get our money's worth++

Hear, hear.

Where my reperations I can't breathe 😂

I agree with Glenn. He has dignity. I suspect the silent majority of black people share Glenns opinion.

@valerieadams7001

Жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct.

Great great grandfather. 15th Wisconsin. Battle of Island #10. Caught in the crossfire battle of Chickamauga most of them died. Look it up. He contracted typhoid lost his hearing entirely. For the remainder of the war he worked at a contraband hospital in the north. Where are my reparations for your emancipation?

Forced taxation from one race to another would be a bad idea and cause more racism imho. I do think a tax refund donation could work (by anyone for ados only, would need a board to oversee), setup for several different funds. Like 1st time college student, 1st time home owner, 1st time business owner could work. I don't know the specifics on how you go about proving that you are an ados, or how much you can get, or how much it would generate, but I think it would be far more unifying as a country and could make a difference.

My ancestors were either not in this country before the Civil War, or fought on the side of the Union.

If you [Glenn] don't want [your] Reparations, I'll take it!

My wife's family were not in the U.S. until about the early 1900s (they were eastern European). Should they have to pay reparations for slavery? Great discussion guys!!!

@carolmosher7745

6 ай бұрын

Did your wife's family benefit from the concept and application of white supremacy?

I grew up white, raised by a single mother, a father that disappeared. We were homeless and bounced around from one place to another in my childhood. We even lived at a welfare motel. Eventually we receaved section 8. Keep in mind I was still trying to go to school and growing up through the 80's and 90's on ny streets. By the time I was 16 I had dropped out of school and been incarcerated. There are no special programs, or affirmative action type resources for white folks. Long story short I had a son by accident. I turned my life around, worked for minimum wage for two years just to learn a trade. I've been working 10 to 12 hour days since. My goal was to give my son a better life. My son just recently graduated with a masters in accounting from a private collage. Hopefully he is the start of accumulating family wealth. I get to live knowing I earned it and I owe no one.

@jjayphilly342

Жыл бұрын

" There are no special programs, or affirmative action type resources for white folks" White women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action.

Two brilliant men, I learn from every time I listen to them

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

Definitely white.

@caseyharsh895

11 ай бұрын

@@l.j.r.8448 you must be a racist Dixie democrat. You know, like a confederate democrat

A slightly ironic personal anecdote: the city i live in Europe has recently been "discovered" by wealthy NYT reading retirees... the locals are NOT impressed by their new neighbours... but the newcomers are oblviious

@cendrizzi

Жыл бұрын

It’s happening to a lot of places in the US as well.

@glmx778

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps the newcomers don't care whether they have impressed their smug, ever-so-condescending neighbors.

You guys make some very valid points. Regardless of race or reason, giving a pile of money to anyone has not shown to have a positive effect on their future. Both giver and recipient are left bitter.

NOTHING IS EVER GOING TO MAKE THEM HAPPY. THE ONLY TIME THEY ARE HAPPY, IS WHEN THEY ARE COMPLAINING

And I want a harem of supermodels. Ain't gonna happen, no point in asking.

@ninadaly7639

Жыл бұрын

You could convert to Islam and BELIEVE you’ll get 70 virgins when you die. No?

You mean because underneath it’s all just a game? Pawns.

If we're going to compensate people for the stolen labor of their ancestors, shouldn't the descendants of milll workers and coalminers also receive something? Do you really think they received fair pay for their work?

@mostlyguesses8385

Жыл бұрын

We can admit US was unfair to blacks til 1970. And Catholics till 1950. And women till 1970.. . . Asians til 1970. In theory let the luckier pay the others, but that means white men. And they want to tax everyone, Asians, women... Some of these struggled and may not have $10000 extra to pay in taxes, my Asian neighbor has a sick mother and kid with mental issues .. In practice any tax will be burden and unfair to maybe half those Asians, women, etc, , , , , , in theory reparations are logical but then they say just tax everyone Asians and women included.... So in practice it'll be hugely unfair, what a F U to Asians and women, faced unfairness and now pay for harm they had no hand in doing.... PS. We gotta admit the govt did just hand out $2trillion mostly to businesses during covid so politics HAS already done crazy handouts without even fairness in mind just hand out money to help economy....

@iamkesha.

Жыл бұрын

Wait until those illegals coming here today, because NGOs are swooping them up in other countries to bring them here, start asking for reparations in 50-100 years.

Think about how high crime will get. When a criminal learns someone in his circle has access to money and can safely assume that any black person has access to it. I can see those that blow it...and many will...and it will be open season on any black person by violent criminals who are...well. I need not say more.

Not just Irish, Asian, Jews, etc who made it in America, but *African* blacks and blacks from other countries also know how to make it here!

Wow, you guys continue to be amazing.

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

To white people, yes.

TELL OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T NEED REPARATION.

@Billiepippen

9 ай бұрын

exactly

It (reparations) will NEVER be ENOUGH for some people. Reparations will continue to divide this country. I wish they'd include Thomas Sowell in the discussion

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Listen to this man .... wealth is accumulated... it doesn’t fall from the sky! Work for it!!!

clever and interesting discussion cheers gentlemen from Canada

Reparations are not a fix reparations are repentance

So, Brother Loury I might add, "Where do we go from here?" because the truth is nothing is working except postmodern anarchy. In fact, google Lizzo at the basketball game with her butt out, raw. Maybe you and John can do a show on postmodernism.

@zackerythomas3675

Жыл бұрын

"...nothing is working except postmodern anarchy..." Yeah,...ok. Is that really working or does it seem like that is working? Self-delusion is a powerful drug. Anarchy is going to generate more resentful elements than successful elements.

Astute analysis. My Grandfather emigrated to the USA from abject rural poverty in Ireland in 1922. He had a very basic education and left “school” at 14. He went to night school in the states and worked on dicks and building sites. He lived in NYC throughout the depression and experienced the horrors of that but put his shoulder to the wheel and emerged with an engineering degree. He invested heavily in his four children, giving them the best education he could afford and saw them into successful careers. He was a multimillionaire at the end of his life, all through hard work and discipline. He would have died before he took at cent from the government. He achieved this in America because that is what America is and has been for millions who would have almost no chance in their own countries to succeed. It’s terribly sad to see what’s happening there today. You’re killing each other with this stupidity.

@stephencarter7266

Жыл бұрын

Your Grandfathers story is about 'immigrant's momentum'. Your grandfather couldn't accomplish in Ireland what he did in America. What Ireland was to your grandpappy, America is to a lot of black folks.

@l.j.r.8448

Жыл бұрын

Your grandfather had the option to go back. He came voluntarily.

@stephencarter7266

Жыл бұрын

Bottom line: If your grandpappy was so highly motivated in Ireland, he would have made his fortune there, instead immigrating to the USA and playing himself off of a demoralized black American population here. Before your grandpappy left the shores of Europe he was probably keenly aware of America's racial division. Your Grandpappy did a cost/ benefit analysis: Do I have a better chance as a freshly minted white guy in America where black folks are the Irish or do I stay here and languish as just another Irish fella in the United Kingdom? The rest is history. So knock it off with your arrogance.

@clionamoore8365

Жыл бұрын

@@l.j.r.8448 Who prevented Black Africans going back to Africa in the 20th Century?

@clionamoore8365

Жыл бұрын

@@stephencarter7266 He couldn’t accomplish that in Ireland because there was no state education to speak of, he had get a job to pay for his education as an adult something that’s available to all citizens in the USA today.

Guys, it's totally fine if you go into topics other than race. Don't feel that race and all its permutations is all you are permitted, Hey, far from it. Pursue the same chemistry on your earlier shows in whatever topic and you will still have a great show.

It's the DNA!

Glenn, they keep bringing that up because they expect that precisely, that we ge tired of arguing.

Let's bencrupt the country for feelings

Was affirmative action reparations?

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I think that sadly many people who receive this money would become like lottery winners. There is no achievement in it and everyone regardless of skin color needs that sense of achievement.

In America most of the wealth generated by slave-owning was probably depleted during the Great Depression anyway

We're tired too, Dr. Loury. Keep in mind also - a penny saved is INDEED a penny earned. Resourcefulness goes such a long way here.