The young actor Tom Sturridge who portrays Henry VI is just about spot on in this scene. The real Henry VI was unfortunately weak in many regards and never truly had power except that which was given by those who sought to control him and his kingdom. From the little I read about him, he would later be consumed by paranoia and become senile to the point that his mental state would be called into question.

I love every scene in this play where Margaret rolls a 20 on manipulation and Sommerset is both impressed and terrified by what he has brought to court.

@seraphik

2 жыл бұрын

she TOTALLY rolled a 20 on manip, man. i love how imperious and subtly smug she looks 0.1 seconds before slapping the shit out of the Duchess of Gloucester -- because she knows she's got her. and then 2 seconds later, after the Duchess flips on her, she looks so horrified and affronted as if SHE'S the wronged party. nnggghh SO GOOD i wanna watch this whole thing now.

@JacobMinger

Жыл бұрын

She was cerci Lannister before cerci Lannister (quite literally I think since Game of Thrones was apparently heavily inspired by the Wars of the Roses)

@JacobMinger

Жыл бұрын

@@seraphik both episodes of Henry VI in the Hollow Crown we’re very good, and I highly recommend them.

Cersei's character was inspired by Margaret of Anjou, and one can see why:)

@ajvanmarle

2 жыл бұрын

Well, Margaret of Anjou had a brain. I never noticed Cersei's.

@Brandonhayhew

2 жыл бұрын

Cersei has ruthless and scheming, power hungry but not cunning

@gerardcollins80

2 жыл бұрын

@@ajvanmarle She was cunning but like Cersei she was not a good ruler.

But Sally Hawkins' acting in this scene needs more recognition

@Stephen_Lalrinawma

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't she the fish banger.

@HomoChomsky

3 жыл бұрын

People are too busy appealing to white supremacy to recognize how great she is in this scene.

@historicamenteindependient5778

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomoChomsky Black supremacy is real

@stealthsoldier4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@historicamenteindependient5778 no it’s not smh

@kimberlyredcloud534

Жыл бұрын

Omg love this scene!!

lol, I'm an Asian, if a white guy try to play one of our emperor in a serious play I would probably find it ridiculous. *Imagine 100 years later, a white guy plays Obama.

@kcmiles9832

6 жыл бұрын

chococo Chen exactly. Great point!

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

Chococo Chen. But all over the world Shakespeare plays are converted into different settings and different cultures and times. That's the nature of Shakespeare and drama. It's universal in scope and nature. That's why it's still relevant today when other plays from his time are forgotten.

@ALFREDOPOKEMON

6 жыл бұрын

Or a White mandela?

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

Fred C. It depends on whether the race of the person is crucial to the story. Shakespeare makes points about power in his plays that are relevant beyond his time. His plays are not pure history. They're not totally accurate as history. He changed things for dramatic effect and to please the regime of his time. Modern dramatists do the same with Shakespeare's plays to make them more relevant to a modern audience.

@TomKaulitz4ever007

6 жыл бұрын

Helen Trope But those plays are done in different countries with different ethnicities. How the hell can they even be accurate? This was made to look accurate, but they just decided to change one single person's ethnicity and that is ridiculous.

Damnnn she smack the living day lights out . 👀

Lol! Woah! That was like a high noon quick draw in a western! Everybody was quiet and tense.

Sophie Okonedo is an amazing talent. What a flawless scene capturing so many levels and elements of this story in such a short moment. What a smart way to show how we envision the "other".

Amazing scene. The Duchess’ expressions and the Queens as well were just incredible. “What minion? Can he not?” The Duchess pays for her insolence and disrespect.

@gidzmobug2323

10 ай бұрын

"Can ye not?". The Duchess refused to pick up the fan. Yet in time she would be caught up in something considered far worse.

@janebeatty9472

4 ай бұрын

Ah…but the Queen also knew who her enemies were in that moment. Great scene!

Looking forward to Ron Weasley to play the life of Nelson Mandela.

@nicktelecast

6 жыл бұрын

Gross.

@sabcam2000

6 жыл бұрын

She's half white. Half black people play black people all the time. She passes for white to me *Shrugs*

@nicktelecast

6 жыл бұрын

I want to clarify that I calling this comment gross, not the actress.

@lf1496

6 жыл бұрын

Dino Fancellu Just watch Gods of Egypt with a Swedish cast, that's the biggest laugh, pink white people as African gods. You people have no shame, crying like you lost your best friend because the sista is doing what you have done since the beginning of film.You play Indians, Chinese people, black people Puerto Ricans and have no problem with it.. At least Queen Charlotte was black and there had been a black Queen of England in history (although not Queen Margaret). Can't say the same is true on the throne of Egypt and in their pantheon of Gods. Last I checked no pink white faces there.But hell that never stops you from lying lol!

@tweT4me2708

6 жыл бұрын

It is almost as entertaining as Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra, Charlton Heston as Moses, or Yule Brynner as the King of Siam.

'What minion- can ye not?' The shade.

Historical inaccuracy aside, this is not even Shakespeare's portrait of Margaret. Crappy job from script writer.

@thedifferenttraveller5684

3 жыл бұрын

The establishment aims to rewrite history in order to propagate the lie that Europe was multicultural.

@alexissimpson5819

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedifferenttraveller5684 She’s half-white

@silviabohemica7532

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexissimpson5819 again, no. Half nigerian and half ashkenazi jewish

@rc59191

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexissimpson5819 no amount of copying and pasting that ridiculous comment is gonna make it better you braindead sheep.

@ShadowSonic2

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedifferenttraveller5684 It was, go cry to Boris Johnson.

Denzel Washington would be great playing Abraham Lincoln.

@TheMurtukov

3 жыл бұрын

... and freeing white people from slavery

@kevinmccartney648

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMurtukov with Quentin Tarantino directing

@megabazus1775

2 жыл бұрын

Don't jinx it...

I'm confused. Queen Margaret went from confident to running away crying. What did the Ducchess say that affected her so? It was a complete 180 for me.

@nutmeg1029

6 жыл бұрын

TheCaliMack shame for slapping her maybe

@gidzmobug2323

6 жыл бұрын

TheCaliMack Upset because the King did not defend his wife against the Duchess.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

The Duchess threatened her with revenge at the end but the Queen is very hard and devious. I think the tears weren't real but just part of playing the victim to justify whatever happens to the Duchess afterwards.

@gidzmobug2323

6 жыл бұрын

Helen Trope The Queen and Duchess did not get on well. By this time, the court was divided: some for Gloucester, some for the Queen. The conflict would eventually result in a battle for the throne.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

Katherine Koelker. I don't think this particular conflict between the women results in the battle for the throne, because this incident is between Lancastrians, whereas the battle for the throne was between Yorkists and Lancastrians. The Duchess of Gloucester gets accused of witchcraft and is imprisoned or exiled for that. Gloucester is imprisoned and murdered. Sorry for the spoilers.

“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”

To be fair when you Queen tells you to do something and you act bold you should expect that slap

@ajvanmarle

2 жыл бұрын

Not if the Queen has any sense. This is an insult that by the standards of the time could never be forgiven. Even royalty was not above tradition and the last thing the king needed was to alienate nobility like this.

@janebeatty9472

4 ай бұрын

@@ajvanmarleUm…When the Queen held her Ladies back and looked at the Duchess to pick up her fan, that was a Royal Command. The Duchess steps forward and looks at the Queen. The Queen asks, “Can ye not?” Wanting to know if she is physically unable to bend down. The Duchess looks defiantly at the Queen in a microsecond and then the slap comes. What the Duchess has done is defy a Royal order and has made it known she is an enemy of the Queen. The Queen quickly turns tables to become the hurt party. Brilliant politics here!

@jjeanniton

Ай бұрын

2:04 - the queen slaps the peeress

Sophie okonedo is a beast. This woman can act the pants off of every A list Hollywooder hands down. Too bad she doesn't get much work, but she is still one of my favorite actresses. her portrayals come so deep from her being and gut that I just can't ignore her.

@historicamenteindependient5778

3 жыл бұрын

But Margaret was WHITE and French

@deehuckleberry3999

3 жыл бұрын

So what? If Olivier can play Othello, Okonedo can play Margaret. Does not matter who the actor is, as long as the character comes to vivid life.

@wbheightfive6760

2 жыл бұрын

@@deehuckleberry3999 two wrongs don't make a right It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

@ezananigussie3311

10 ай бұрын

@@wbheightfive6760holy shit who cares

Margaret was the original Stunt Queen haha. Slapping her, but then wailing and running out XD

@historicamenteindependient5778

3 жыл бұрын

And she was WHITE

I hadn't seen these episodes yet from The Hollow Crown. The previous ones with Jeremy Irons and Tom Hiddleston were amazing. This could only be better, with Sophie Okonedo in it!

For the last 400 years acting troops or companies of every race, creed and color have performed Shakespeare's plays and in every language on earth. Did you know that after the American Civil War newly freed slaves performed Shakespeare's plays in the streets of Boston and New York? Hamlet was performed in Japanese a few years ago with a cast that was all from Japan. It just goes to show you everyone loves Shakespeare!!!! You don't have to look like King John to play him. You don't have to skinny to play him and you don't have to be white to play him. You just have to love Shakespeare. I think that is what the producers are trying to say here. Shakespeare is for everyone!!!! So sorry some of you are so blind that you don't get that.

@nativevirginian8344

5 ай бұрын

So sorry you are so stupid not to realize that this is based on HISTORY. The queen was not black. Wishful thinking won’t make it so.

@karmasauce6288

4 ай бұрын

THIS!!!

@Satu-zs7gm

4 ай бұрын

​@@karmasauce6288i wanna see white Harriet Tubman

@Satu-zs7gm

4 ай бұрын

interesting how they kept all them white except 1 blackwashed Queen 🙄 i didn't see asian, latino, indian, etc

Wow yes, truly looks just like Queen Margaret, fantastic casting.

@en21b

Жыл бұрын

But heaven forbid you cast a white actor as a historically black or Asian person. Funny how that works.

@bertilliozephyrsgate6196

Жыл бұрын

@@en21b It has happened plenty enough.

@francoisdaureville323

Жыл бұрын

​@@bertilliozephyrsgate6196 and its now comdemed and nob0dy likes that if the same standard must be applied to this

I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio is just such a great actor, he's definitely the best person to portray Martin Luther King

@crawfish70510

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂love it

@BeggarsNight

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh, you smoothbrains. Making such ludicrously false equivalencies because you just have no concept of how racial issues work, nor their context, nor the function of theater. An American white man portraying MLK, an American black man who dedicated his life to fighting for civil rights for black Americans. If the potential issues with that escape you, I guess you don’t have any concept of America’s racial history. One which MLK himself was directly involved in. Even if the white actor weren’t American, I assume you’re smart enough to understand why a white actor playing a black man fighting for black civil rights might offend black Americans. If you can’t fathom that...think long and hard. Now. Let’s talk about these plays. Shakespeare in particular. These plays are repeated through countless productions, and will continue to be performed indefinitely. And race is not a topic in them (Othello being an exception, but I’ll get to that). Now, what precisely is so problematic about a black actor playing the role of a white English noble that puts it equivalent to a white person playing MLK? Nothing. Because the play has nothing to do with topical issues of race like anything concerning MLK would. And as it is a play that is repeatedly performed, one production with a single black actress isn’t robbing you of your precious all-white criteria. You still have many to choose from. So stop bitching, yea? Your whiteness, nor any issues of race, isn’t compromised by any part of this play. Race is only an issue in this case because you’re focusing on the skin color of the actors, rather than their performances, *which is what shakespeare and theater in general is all about* ! Because your lack of understanding of racial issues makes you make dumbass comparisons like this. Now, Othello. Othello has been played by Patrick Stewart, and a long line of white actors before him, some in blackface. It was generally accepted (blackface notwithstanding) because again, it’s a Shakespeare play. Historical accuracy is not the point, the performances are. Having a white person play MLK, play or not, within 60 years of his death, when black Americans still face the racism he fought, will obviously be a problem. Having a black actress play an English noble over 500 years dead, in a play written and embellished by someone who wasn’t even there to a point bordering on fiction for entertainment purposes, and which is entirely unconcerned with race or any current events, matters so little that it’s only when racist morons like you start bitching using the most idiotic, desperate arguments possible that it becomes an issue at all. And only then it’s only an issue because you have to be educated on the most basic of racial dynamics in order to shut you up.

@H3nry488

3 жыл бұрын

​@@BeggarsNight What a load of crap. Both blackwashing and whitewashing is offensive.

@patriciagriffith7402

3 жыл бұрын

They had black nobility in Europe

@-John-Doe-

3 жыл бұрын

@@patriciagriffith7402 oh you mean they were kings and shit? Wow we’ve never heard that before.

i like the way margaret slapped that woman, it was like "how dare u look at me peasant". i like watching the nobles get put in their place

Queen Margaret never spoke in iambic pentameters! This kind of historical inaccuracy is not only wrong by all standards, but it is also simply disrespectful of English history!

@gidzmobug2323

6 жыл бұрын

Lydgate83 They used Shakespeare's script from Henry VI. Looks like they left out some of the Duchess' speech in this one.

@writerchick94

6 жыл бұрын

...its a joke because people are flipping out about Queen Margaret being black

@philipfranklin8273

6 жыл бұрын

Lydgate83 english history is full of germans and black nobility

@philipfranklin8273

6 жыл бұрын

Christine A even the royals are german decent and have black blood flowing in there vains queen Charlotte was a black women she was one of the queens of England

@gidzmobug2323

6 жыл бұрын

Philip Franklin I do not know about black nobility. But the present Royal Family has a partially German background.

Margaret is very tanned in this, must have been a heatwave in England that year.

@historicamenteindependient5778

3 жыл бұрын

But she was white

@B_B463

2 жыл бұрын

@@historicamenteindependient5778 mister obvious

Sally Hawkins and Sophie Okondeo were both brilliant in this scene... wow the intensity!!

@lucillahassen1989

3 ай бұрын

No.

Margaret of Anjou I like to believe was a very strong individual, this being the women who held the house of lancaster together. Her potrayal by Conn Iggulden was much better in the war of the roses series

@PHlophe

7 жыл бұрын

except this play is not war of the roses. Keep it moving, Tuffty

@philbecker4676

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccaherschman3069 Girl... you sound like a dipshit 🤣

Would really love to watch this movie sadly I don't speak Shakespeare.

@AbrahamLincoln4

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD *One does not simply understand a joke*

@AbrahamLincoln4

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD*It's still a joke though*

@blackmomba9368

3 жыл бұрын

That was too funny! 😂😂😂

@AbrahamLincoln4

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD I'm glad you finally laughed for the first time in 3 weeks. I'm now gonna let the 57 likes on that *joke* speak for itself.

@LetsGoPredators

3 жыл бұрын

Same

And now Tom is playing Morpheus in The Sandman. Awesome actor 🔥

What is that?!Please what?!That can’t be the English History!

The comment section makes my troll heart cry tears of joy. Can we get a Mexican man (with a heavy accent) to play King Henry VIII? And for the love of God, please make all the wives Asian.

@heliotropezzz333

5 жыл бұрын

Queen Margaret was seen as a foreigner in England. Though she was French, Sophie Okonedo's background acts as a metaphor for that sense of difference.

@jacktrevino1108

3 жыл бұрын

@@heliotropezzz333 Riiiight, ;^)

@heliotropezzz333

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacktrevino1108 Any relation to Lee?

@tlotpwist3417

3 жыл бұрын

Or Richard III "Un caballo! My kingdom por un CABALLO!"

@heliotropezzz333

3 жыл бұрын

@@tlotpwist3417 Do you mean Richard III?

In the BBC’s next WW2 movie I demand that Hitler be portrayed as a proud black lesbian

@heliotropezzz333

5 жыл бұрын

or perhaps he could be played by an Etonian Gamer.

@caryinsheppard8003

3 жыл бұрын

🤣😂Damn u guys! Now im imagining it...NOOOOOOOO!🤣😭

@alexissimpson5819

3 жыл бұрын

She’s half-white

@janebeatty9472

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Why aren't people complaining that Margaret wasn't a black woman? Everytime I watch a clip about Cleopatra there are hundreds of comments complaining because she is depicted as a white woman (even though she was greek, so yes, white)... I guess whitebashing is politcally correct... black bashing is not.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

There are hundreds of complaining comments here. Are you too lazy to read them?

@popev3887

5 жыл бұрын

Your comment is spot on correct Rebecca.

@heliotropezzz333

5 жыл бұрын

Smash Mouth. You are another one who hasn't read the hundreds of whinging comments here about the casting

@therealgodessisis5004

3 жыл бұрын

You are whining

@ElberethOhGilthoniel

3 жыл бұрын

Uhm,this is awkward but last time I checked,Greeks were white.

I love it! I love it so much - Why haven't I heard of this 'til now? This is brilliant programming 🙌 Well done BBC

So this means I have a chance to play Michelle Obama after 100 years in a movie

@ianvera4299

3 жыл бұрын

No but you can gladly play a racist right now since you meet the criteria.

@alexissimpson5819

3 жыл бұрын

The actress isn’t Black. She is mixed race. Do you you know the difference?

It;s like they were having a competition of who could overact the most.

Wakanda forever lol😂😂😂😂

An impossible meeting. When Margaret of Valois arrived to England to marry the King, the Duchess of Gloucester was already arrested under the accusation of sorcery.

@heliotropezzz333

5 жыл бұрын

Shakespeare was never an accurate source of history. As a dramatist he was more interested in the drama of his stories.

@antoinemozart243

3 жыл бұрын

Margaret of Anjou, not Valois.

Queen Margret of Anjou is rolling in her grave.

This is why one has to read and get as much information on anything, before forming an opinion. Goodness.

Sophie Okonedo is SUCH a fantastic actress.

Sophie Okenedo is an outstanding actress and she absolutely kills it as Queen Margaret. It's sad that some on here can only see the colour of her skin and nothing else.

@yasminchoudhury2537

8 жыл бұрын

+Duncan Sands It's a play and plays often require us to use our imagination. When this play was written Margaret would've have been played by a young man and I'm sure the original audience didn't have as big a problem with this as some people on here seem to have with the colour of Sophie's skin. This isn't a play about race (as far as I know the war between Yorks and Lancasters wasn't about skin colour) so I feel that your example of a white man playing Malcolm X doesn't really work here although I notice you seem quite keen on using him as an example....

@yasminchoudhury2537

8 жыл бұрын

+Duncan Sands Oooh have I upset you? Context you say? What about a Northern Irish actor playing Richard Plantagenet. He didn't disguise his accent, no comments about that though. Ah, but he's white though so it's all good. And I seriously doubt that about the BNP marches, although it does depend which side you were on........

@yasminchoudhury2537

8 жыл бұрын

+Duncan Sands LOL! I really have touched a nerve with you haven't I? I fully accept that you've conceded to me though...... :)

@yasminchoudhury2537

8 жыл бұрын

+Arthel Cargill Agree with what though?

@yasminchoudhury2537

8 жыл бұрын

+Arthel Cargill I get the point about Zoe Saldana and I agree with you but I don't believe that Shakespeare mentions the colour of Queen Margaret's skin anywhere in his plays.

Why the heck is the queen black?

@emmapeel7283

2 жыл бұрын

I ask myself the same…..🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

I'm the bloody Queen mate, basically, I rule!

@BlackHayateTheThird

6 жыл бұрын

Oh yea, Doctor Who reference~

@anis6695

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was Like I just saw the episode (again 😂) and this is in my recommendation and then there's your comment with the reference of Doctor Who 😂 loving it

@alleynealisleem9777

2 жыл бұрын

If You're the Queen I'm The Princess!!!🤣😘🤗🤭💖💕

I love this. So dramatic

Yeah I'm gonna pass on this one. One reason people like costume dramas, no Frankfurt School.

@jesseleeward2359

2 жыл бұрын

Black nobles? In the renaisssnce?

I have to say, that was a GOOD ASS SLAP.

Good actors...i'd love to see the series!

Yikes, and I thought MY family had issues

historical inaccuracy aside, Sophie's acting is phenomenal

@justforfun4394

3 жыл бұрын

No

@H3nry488

3 жыл бұрын

It is. Too bad she is being used as a "statement", which in a way is very racist.

@alexissimpson5819

3 жыл бұрын

She’s half-white

@justforfun4394

2 жыл бұрын

@John Doe Yes

@GH-li3wj

Жыл бұрын

I would prefer the Queen Margaret of Cashew instead...😆

She slapped her so hard she forgot sign language and got her voice back.

how can a Queen of medieval England be shown a a black woman.

@emmapeel7283

2 жыл бұрын

That is a very good Question!In that time today,I don’t want see a black Queen too!

@janebeatty9472

4 ай бұрын

A great Actor in a very good scene!

sophie okonedo's performance here is literally amazing, she deserves so much more recognition

@jasminesank1595

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD it wasn't advertised as a historical film, it was meant to be a Shakespearean production, and in those it doesn't matter who actually plays the character, it just matters on the portrayal. historically, women didn't even act in the plays, it was prepubescent boys. i think the entire show was well made and had very talented actors including sophie, but none actually looked like the actual person. so tbh it doesn't matter if people of a different ethnicity of an actual person plays a Shakespearean character because for centuries people of different genders and ethnicities have played the characters :) of course if it was a historical film, it would be expected a woman of French descent would play Margaret of Anjou, but this is not meant to be a historical film. It is a Shakespearean production :)

@jasminesank1595

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD ma'am can you calm down, i was appreciating a actors portrayal of a Shakespearean character? it is not a historical film and shouldn't be held as such.

@jasminesank1595

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD thank you for giving me your opinion on the topic. im aware that these events happened, i study them, but once again i will state this is Shakespeare, not a documentary. it's a play and any actor or actress can act in them :) but i appreciate your opinion and thank you for taking the time out of your day to talk to me :)

@jasminesank1595

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD ma'am, I'm currently studying them :)

@jasminesank1595

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiles and the Twisted MD as i stated before, i am aware that these were people of European descent :) this is not a historical film, it is not event by event and it is not meant to be. this is a Shakespeare production which is a interpretation of real events. for years many people have played these characters and it doesn't matter what their physical appearance would be. If this series was meant to be accurate, king Edward and elizabeth woodville would be portrayed by actors far younger and of course all of the cast would be white as the real people were. the actors and actresses casted were chosen for their skills and ability to properly convey the emotions and themes of the play, not for their physical appearance :)

I thought Margaret of Anjou was from France not from Mauritania

Sophie Okonedo is great in this. I enjoyed the way she emphasises that exercising power involves acting a role and is a performance in itself. I've seen a lot of queries about her playing this role but I imagine they've cast her as Margaret of Anjou to represent the character's perceived 'otherness' as a French woman (in addition to her being a good actor). Different productions will do this to give an audience a clearer idea of contemporary perceptions. In the recent film about Alexander the Great, the Macedonians are given Irish accents because the Athenian perception of them at the time was that they were a rather rough, backwater people. I think they were seen as being on the periphery; not quite foreign but not quite Greek in the Athenian sense either. I also remember reading a translation of a Greek play where the Spartan characters were written with Scottish accents for a similar approach. The whole idea is to draw more recent parallels and give modern audiences an insight into historical perceptions/biased attitudes that we wouldn't necessarily be aware of otherwise. Sophie was cast as Nancy in 'Oliver Twist' too and did equally well in that.

Some consistency issues: 2:15 Queen in shock 2:18 Queen at ease 2:21 Queen in shock

Am I missing something here, the BBC’s is really taking things to the next level,

@GH-li3wj

Жыл бұрын

c'est margaret d'acajou... 🤣🤣🤣

This is a play - a work of fiction. Even though it's based on true events, it really has no bearing weather the actors particularly look like the real life people their characters are based on. It's a story of Britain then told by Britain now. She was the actor they felt best suited what they wanted from this role, and frankly I think she knocks it out of the park!

@DanishNerdess

8 жыл бұрын

+Cheekypop white people don't have a history of being prejudiced and discriminated against, nor are we in any way underrepresented in the media, unlike people of colour. It's not the same thing. Also, what is so wrong with striving for diversity?

@connord9164

8 жыл бұрын

+Danish Nerdess Go campaign for diversity in Bollywood and Japan. No? Diversity just means less white people.

@WinterAffair

8 жыл бұрын

+Connor D your comment is idiotic because you're comparing diversity in Britain and the U.S. to India and Japan, ignoring the fact that the latter two are largely homogenous just because it doesn't fit into your narrative of attempting to portray white actors as victims. Now, if you were to compare how Japan treats Koreans and Chinese immigrants to how America treats it's immigrants of color then you're on to something. But you're still comparing apples and oranges.

@manzilla48

8 жыл бұрын

+Danish Nerdess that's irrelevant, either characters should be authentic to their race or they shouldn't be. Not one rule for one group and another rule for another.

@connord9164

8 жыл бұрын

WinterAffair Non whites should have never been allowed to settle in our homogeneous country.

Lol I just like the hit. Bam it echoed through the halls.

Next up, the life of Obama played by Richard Spencer

@user-ys4qr2su5p

4 жыл бұрын

OR RICHARD GERE

@damarh

3 жыл бұрын

that's racist and very insensitive towards people of hawaaian and kenyann descent.

@keithhendrickson8522

3 жыл бұрын

@@damarh yeah it would be wouldn't it. 😂

I don't see the queen of england here? can someone show me where she is?

Well, we all knew that the Duchess of Gloucester was once her husband's mistress and then his second wife. It shows that she was pretty cocky that her husband had divorced his first wife under the pretense that their first miscarriage was a sign that their marriage wasn't legal in the eyes of God and the church. She was a mistress already and grab her chance to be his legal wife and make their children legitimate. The way she disrespects the queen was not the smartest move there since they all realized too late how quickly Queen Margaret of Anjou isn't afraid to do the dirty work.

Apparently this is the kind of thing one needs to see from the beginning.

Wonderful actress but all are superb

oke lets cast martin luther king junior as an asian man.

@islandgirl3126

6 жыл бұрын

sarah siajibckx lol get over it!

@anastasia-fr1gn

6 жыл бұрын

island girl Over what exactly?

@islandgirl3126

6 жыл бұрын

anastasia * over a black actress playing the role of a french queen. Which is what the majority of discussions have been about on this video. Keep up love!

@tacosmexicanstyle7846

6 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many people talking about the actress' skin colour are actually from the countries the real Queen Margaret represented lol -- Shakespeare isn't a history lesson, if you wanted historical accuracy I should think of 100 things to be changed in the play before something as trivial as Margaret's skin colour...

@Oceananswer

6 жыл бұрын

Cleopatra wasn't black though.

The real tragedy of this play is that all the scheming by the nobles, battling for power, the affair between the Queen and Somerset for control, all of this happening right under King Henry's nose, and he's either too naive or powerless to stop it.

@antoinemozart243

3 жыл бұрын

In the play she has an affair with Suffolk, not Somerset.

@queenanneboleyn6848

Жыл бұрын

I feel him. Bet he always wanted to jump out of the window and get rid of stupid humans.

Why can’t everyone recognize that, when portraying a historical figure, it’s imperative to cast an actor that actually looks like the figure in question. History is my favorite subject so it really pains me to see it butchered like this. Can’t wait to see a movie with black samurai and kamikaze pilots flying around.

@heliotropezzz333

5 жыл бұрын

So do they have to go to Anjou and find someone who looks like a typical Anjou woman?

@stormbringer2840

4 жыл бұрын

@@heliotropezzz333 A typical anjou woman can be fair to tan skinned with either red hair , blond hair or black hair . By the way she is literally called the white queen with 0 african blood , Im pretty sure it is quite wrong .

@heliotropezzz333

4 жыл бұрын

Shakespeare was never about historical accuracy but about stories and drama which have universal themes, so his plays are often produced in modern times in different eras and settings with different types of cast. Those who criticise this casting are not real fans of Shakespeare I think and don't watch his plays much.

@BalkanMode

4 жыл бұрын

Helen Trope There is political agenda behind casting of this role. It is the agenda of the same interest group which arranged the Harry - Meghan marriage. Remember “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”

@heliotropezzz333

4 жыл бұрын

@@BalkanMode Oh lighten up and join the 21st century. I'm sure they said that the first time women were allowed on stage. Shakespeare had to use men dressed as women of course.

I don't care what anyone says, this was great.

damn girl can't even pick up a fan

@AbrahamLincoln4

4 жыл бұрын

Arrogant French woman.

And now..... steve buscemi as Malcolm X, co-starring Will Ferrell as Muhammad Ali and tom Hanks as MLK Jr.

@shawn6669

3 жыл бұрын

You can take the boy out of his racist, Idaho, trailer park but you can't....etc..

@nativevirginian8344

5 ай бұрын

@@shawn6669 But he’s right. It works both ways or doesn’t work at all….

Umm Margaret of Anjou wasn't black in the least bit

@stormbringer2840

4 жыл бұрын

She is literally nicknamed the white queen for god's sake !

@stormbringer2840

4 жыл бұрын

@@scinformation7229 yeah i mixed them together ( elizabeth and margareth ), doesn't change the fact that she was white and blond in all her depictions .

@sunny-bl6cy

4 жыл бұрын

Who cares it’s a show/movie

@user-xn4fy5pq1d

3 жыл бұрын

@jay bell she was a related to Ptolemy, one of great Alexander's generals and first Greek king of Egypt. Do you even know history?

@Johnnybravo..

3 жыл бұрын

@@stormbringer2840 No she wasn't. Elisabeth Woodville was known as "the White Queen".

This is so good this is amazing I love this TV show excuse me part of History

How many people visited this site because they enjoy a good Shakespeare play?

@zeusgiron784

3 жыл бұрын

✋🏼 I do

@heliotropezzz333

3 жыл бұрын

@@zeusgiron784 You saved my faith in humanity.

@zeusgiron784

3 жыл бұрын

Than I am glad. As a mix race guy, it is just Shakespeare play. It isn’t supposed to be a historical doc.

@heliotropezzz333

3 жыл бұрын

@@zeusgiron784 Exactly

'can you not?' best line ever!

... That slap came out of nowhere

@antoinemozart243

3 жыл бұрын

It is in the original play. She slaps her and feigns not having recognizing the Duchess of Gloucester. And after that, she plans to remove Gloucester and his wife. Crocodiles tears.

I'm just laughing cause the performance LMAO but it's all good

Great acting. So much DRAMA. I love it...

You people are outraged when an Egyptian whose skin is "too white" plays an Egyptian, but it's perfectly acceptable for a black woman to play a white woman because it's a character in a play, even though the "character" was a real person. Don't make me laugh. Your hypocrisy is palpable.

@MessiahComing

7 жыл бұрын

@vanessa mziray "Hurr durr, we wuz English nobility. You don't make sense!" That's you.

@kcmiles9832

6 жыл бұрын

Shakespeare said Margaret was young, fair maiden but Okonedo is 47 years old and not fair skinned. Its historically inaccurate.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

KC Miles.One historical description I read about Margaret was that her skin was quite tanned. She came from the South of France where it's hot. Also Okonedo does not look her age. She looks much younger.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

OctoV70. Don't watch it then, if you don't like it. Your dramatic "suspension of disbelief" isn't working. Juliet in Romeo and Juliet is usually played by someone much older than 13 years but people don't usually complain.

@gustavadolf3874

6 жыл бұрын

People don't complain about it because it's not politically motivated. Also tanned skin doesn't mean african ancestry.

Queen Margret is Savage💯

Ive never heard of this show before, but after watching this I'm pretty interested now.

I am looking in the wrong direction. I came to the BBC to see Shakespeare, not social engineering.

@Esseynelle

7 жыл бұрын

Kite Flying Pooh bbc hates whiteness.

@kcmiles9832

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Facts do not matter to BBC anymore.

@Nocturne22

6 жыл бұрын

The fact that the Doctor has only ever been a white guy has always been bizarre. He should be able to regenerate into a whole slew of races, genders, and appearances.

@achanwahn

6 жыл бұрын

Eh. Who cares? It's Shakespeare, not an actual documentary?

@cloudtea0

6 жыл бұрын

you guys are so racist and yet still try to deny hahaha!

History nerds in these comments act like they know shit when they lack basic understanding of Shakespearean theater. THIS ISN'T A DIRECT ADAPTATION OF HISTORY, NONE OF SHAKESPEARE'S PLAYS WERE.

If I don’t see Benedict Cumbatch as Shaka Zulu soon I’ll be fuming

The casting of a black woman to play a lily white historical figure is utterly ridiculous even if it is a play, just like it would be insane to have a white woman playing Harriet Tubmam or another historical black person.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

Many comments about the casting, almost none about the play, from people who've not watched the whole play I suspect. In some castings, like that of Harriet Tubman, the race of the character is important to the drama but it's not crucial in this play for Margaret. She was regarded as a foreigner anyway as she was French but it's not crucial that she be played by a French woman.

@EvilBakaCat

6 жыл бұрын

consider offing yourself Helen, you're a mindless social justice warrior.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

Evil etc. What do you mean "offing" and who are you to tell me what to do?

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

Evil etc. I've just looked up "offing" in the urban dictionary. It refers to suicide. I've now reported you for cyber bullying. Have a nice day.

@EvilBakaCat

6 жыл бұрын

you're defending black washing, if you did it the other way around the social justice brigade would do more then call you names online.

Since Chadwick boseman is gone now, the new black phanther should be play by jackie chan!

@cranebeg

3 жыл бұрын

YAAAAS QUEEEN!

@sidsnot6952

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@cranebeg

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelique25m11 So what's up my ______ with Jackie Chan taking the role?

@sidsnot6952

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelique25m11 it's now racist to be annoyed at a black woman being cast as English queen. I forgot that everything is racist in 2020.

@AbrahamLincoln4

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelique25m11 Not racist, just sick.

I can’t wait until George Clooney plays Martin Luther King Jr. Or does it not work that way around?

@ianvera4299

3 жыл бұрын

Triggered snowflake alert

@me323

3 жыл бұрын

@@ianvera4299 just calling it as I see It. If it was the other way around, imagine the fuss people like yourself and the mass media would make. There would be literal tears. And we’re the snowflakes 🌚

@ianvera4299

3 жыл бұрын

@@me323 Yes you are the snowflakes thanks for agreeing.

@me323

3 жыл бұрын

@@ianvera4299 wow mature argument well done. Bet it took a while to think of that. Maybe come back when you’ve finished school and then people may take you seriously

@ianvera4299

3 жыл бұрын

@@me323 Oh sorry do snowflakes keep trying to stay triggered? I wouldn't know, please keep embarrassing yourself its actually entertaining.

for those who complain that Queen Margaret is played by a black actress. She was French as I checked the wiki, which makes good sense of the BBC casting. The woman who got slapped is Dame Eleanor Cobham, casting by Eliza Esposito of "The Shape of Water".

@fenriz218

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, Anjou is a French name. But the actress doesn't look French either (not even like the Burkha-clad ISIS-brides that currently hold French passports). In fact, she didn't look like a European queen at all, for that matter. The black actress might have played a decent Harriet Tubman, though - which hopefully won't be played by a white actress. Not only for the sake of historical accuracy but from fear that a certain minority might try to start a race war and loot entire neighbourhoods.

I'm black and I have a question: Why is Queen Margaret black? That's racist in so many levels and for so many different ethnicities (mine included)

@heliotropezzz333

5 жыл бұрын

Why?

@foxdie49

5 жыл бұрын

For white people: Is a missrepresentation of the population and important characters of a particular historical period, and an exclusion from the casting process based on race and political agenda (textbook racism). For black people: Instead of giving us interesting, new black characters, true to our ethnic and cultural identity and heritage, we are stuck with having to play and see representation of white characters played by black people. Is condecending, patronizing and plain racist. The Shakespeare argument: Theatre and cinema are 2 very different artistic vehicles, where cinema is tide to a partiall or total representation of reality while theatre is not. Some good example of some tastefull film adaptations of Shakespeare's theatre work could be: Macbeth (2015): Conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog with a realistic attempt of depiction of Scotish people from that period. The Merchant of Venice (2004): Again conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog with a realistic attempt of depiction of Italian people from that period. Romeo + Juliet (1996): A radical transformation of the classic, set in a different place and time that justify a multiracial casting, while conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog. RAN (1985): A feudal Japan version of King Lear, Ran is an interesting take on Shakespeare work. retelling a classic tragedy with a completely different setting and culture. THIS is the best example as to why these modern SJWs BS does not know how to even make diversity and inclusion right. In RAN you DO NOT have an all Celtic cast with a Japanese king (which would be racist, stupid and tasteless, just like this representation of Queen Margaret), instead you have an all Japanese cast and a story set in feudal Japan, strongly showing the asian culture in a very respectfull way. This is genious filmaking and a milestone in how Shakespeare work can be acomodated to represent any culture and period, and still successfully explore human nature.

@heliotropezzz333

5 жыл бұрын

I disagree. It doesn 't necessarily mean the casting excluded any group. She was probably the best actress they auditioned and that's why she got the part. This isn't a film. It's a TV series of Shakespeare plays. Why is race the most important characteristic to be accurate about? Shakespeare plays can never be 100% because the original characters are dead and no single person will be exactly the same as the original no matter what their race. With Shakespeare plays, you have to use your imagination.

@thedifferenttraveller5684

3 жыл бұрын

@@heliotropezzz333 This is postmodern trash dressed masquerading as legitimate criticism.

@nativevirginian8344

5 ай бұрын

@@heliotropezzz333 Shakespeare did mess with historical accuracy, but I’m sorry. The Queen was a white woman.

GeeeeeeI wonder who is behind this

@Wazztheweasel

7 жыл бұрын

The serpent seed ofc.

@croatianwarmaster7872

6 жыл бұрын

*HAND RUBBING INTENSIFIES*

@PharaohofKemet

6 жыл бұрын

Is there a problem?

@tullussulla6167

6 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing this took place before the WoR so Margaret?

@joseivandiazhinojosa9569

6 жыл бұрын

Pharaoh of Kemet Yes, a big one. The queen was a white woman. Not that ulgy piece of BBC Shit.

So if there will be white Martin Luther King represented by Anthony Hopkins it'll be OK? Since actors talent is the most important thing and his appearence and visual similarity with the character is irrelevant? Or it only works one way?..

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

If it's the kind of thing where historical accuracy is important, but Shakespeare always played around with history. It's drama not historical fact. Shakespeare plays have been set in a variety of times with a variety of actors. There have been all male players and all female players and a Macbeth set in Nazi times etc etc

@CENTURION.CARPATIC

6 жыл бұрын

All movies are fictional. None is historical. Only documentaries are historical. That being said even in fictional work the characters must be believable. This isn't. It's just a political... joke.

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

Centurion. It's certainly not a joke. It's a good performance and you forget about the casting if you watch the whole thing and get involved with it. Also the character she's playing was regarded with suspicion and dislike, being a foreigner (French). Though Sophie isn't French her casting acts as a good metaphor for people perceiving her different background at the time

@rugr82day

6 жыл бұрын

It would be controversial and there will always be someone offended and willing to protest but on something like that I would not care because it was an actor like Anthony Hopkin. Just don't put him in dark make up and/or a curly wig and I'm fine with it. That's what happened for years to rolls for blacks, asians, Native American and Mexican characters. It would just be white actors made up to look like other races. The Wayne brothers could never make White Chicks now a days. I don't know why white people did not protest that movie at the time.

@briizhub8052

6 жыл бұрын

Solomeya Shiukashvili what about all the years whites have played the roles of people of color? This is basically what this has looked like to us for years ! See how you don’t like it ? How do you think we felt all those years with black and yellow face being the most common?

She literally went crying out the room

@Mzgoldenhoney

7 жыл бұрын

Latonya Johnson im confused on that part.

All these people complaining about the black actress playing Queen Margaret. Where were they when Jim Caviezel played Jesus Christ, when Charlton Heston played Moses, or when John Wayne played Genghis freaking Khan?

@crums0nMyJ4cket

7 жыл бұрын

Yea that was fucked up.. I guess we just need to rely on people knowing their history. The saviour of man born in the Middle East couldn't possibly be white. BUT, this has been f&@c!ed with for millennia so white man would identify with the figure head of a foreign religion that was usurping their native faiths in order to control Europe, and to this day that was never amended in the minds of most white people. Genghis Khan couldn't be mistaken as a white man though as he's regularly taught about it schools. But, Henry VI? And even more questionable his wife? Personally, I was never taught about the English monarchy in the Australian public schools I attended (I taught myself about this stuff long after I finished school). This could definitely be taken out of context and fool the less equipped.

@Mel1lvar

6 жыл бұрын

To Charlton Heston and John Wayne the answer is simple; Bankability. Name me a famous, bankable asian actor from 1956 who could have played Genghis, name me a famous bankable actor from 1956 who looks like they could be from the Levant? Thankfully today there are actors of all ethnicities to play these parts but at the time Hollywood was still lily white. Also lets face it; white actors have played Jewish and Jewish has played white for decades and no-one bats an eyelid. This isn't 1956, the BBC made a concious choice to cast a black actress for a white role.

@tatifenty8139

6 жыл бұрын

Tell them.

@88kjk75

6 жыл бұрын

Logan Cox, I acctualy agree, it is stupid that Semitic characters from the Bible were played by White European actors, as it is stupid that a black woman should be playing a medieval French woman.

@88kjk75

6 жыл бұрын

De fff look at my long post below, in wich I have explained my viewpoint. Yes ofcourse I am equally opposed, my problem is also that criticising black actors playing non-black characters will be carachterised as racist, whilst that is not the case with white actors playing non-whites, wich is good becouse such things should always be called out, but people (and it's ussualy not black people, but mostly guilt-ridden Whites) seem to be annoyed when people are against black playing non-blacks. So I think they are the acctual hypocrites. Furthermore I have a enormous problem with the ''diversity quota'' concept, the sad fact that miss Okonedo was cast as the Queen simply to spice things up and start these kinds of conflicts, she was, I am convinced, becouse I know how modern producers function. And that is so inherently racist towards non-Whites, becouse these idiots assume that black people are so one-dimensional that they will acctualy feel better if they see one of their own on the stage or in the film, eventough it is in a role no one would rationally put them in, the absurd idea that people of colour acctualy spend time thinking about these things and wishing them, this patronizing idea that blacks and/or other minorities in White countries are so sensitive that God forbbid these sorts of things wouldn't happen and God forbbid even more that someone would think of criticising them. It is simple when people, no matter if they are White or Black or Asian, go and see a movie about medieval England they don't expect to see people other than Whites appearing on screen, when they go to see a historical movie set in medieval China, they expect to only see Asians there and ofc if they are going to see a movie set in old Africa they only expect to see Blacks in it.

a black Margaret of Anjou?? what is the next? an asian Henry the VIII???

@kcmiles9832

6 жыл бұрын

noti tuz its disgusting!

@heliotropezzz333

6 жыл бұрын

noti tuz Or a Japanese Macbeth (see Throne of Blood) Or an American or English Hamlet or Romeo. Tut tut.

@Rome274

6 жыл бұрын

noti tuz Probably ..lol ..Or a black Henry ..

@lanav3466

6 жыл бұрын

I'm just gonna say it your being painfully racist look at the times people

@charlescortez3544

6 жыл бұрын

They shouldn't have hired her. Same goes for the Cleopatra shit, plus Cleo wasn't black or white, more like ancient Middle-East Arabs (Babylonian, Syrian, Any Asian minor)

Give me my fan!

1:11 "The king knows what he knows", not in the original play, probably why it's so confusing. I think they put it in to enhance the drama?

What is Robert Crawley doing in the Dark Ages?

It's great that a Shakespeare play is getting so many views. So many Shakespeare fans!

@fenriz218

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Shakespeare fans feel that it's a compliment when Billy's plays are being turned into a farce. I expect similar attendance and applause when the next Jesus-flick hits the theatre - the protagonist being played by the very talented actor William Chong-Li (actually born Vivian Chong-Li, but, as the trend would have it...)

@heliotropezzz333

4 жыл бұрын

@@fenriz218 It's not a farce. Why do people get so wound up about casting? In Shakespeare's time they watched women characters played by men. This is a drama not an accurate history.

honestly, if this were meant to be a genuine historical replication i could see sense in complaining about queen margarets casting, but its not, this is essentially a stage play being made to tv viewing, and theatre, especially Shakespearean, has had a rather significant effort of not casting by the racial accuracy but the quality of the actor. seriously please get over yourselves, or if you wont then atleast stick to your guns and go protest the rsc for casting anyone non-white in Shakespeares historical plays! i mean bloody hell in their current production of king john king johns played by a woman, and queen elinor god forbid isnt even played by someone white! please people, get a life

@steveiam5762

4 жыл бұрын

When they stop crying about "whitewashing " then you have a point. Until then stop bitching

@Luanna801

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. This is far from a literal recreation of history even if they'd cast 100% white actors.

@alexissimpson5819

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveiam5762 She’s half-white

@steveiam5762

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexissimpson5819 and? The left cries about whitewashing all the time

@alexissimpson5819

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveiam5762 I’m saying she’s not Black.

This what Henry and Mary have become in a different life.

Oh, look, this is Elizabeth 10! And this couple from Paddington)

@tasfiazahin7572

3 жыл бұрын

Yahoo! A fellow who recognized a fave DW character! Episode with the Star Whales, right?