After the question he finished answering around 11:00 into the QA here, I immediately had the question: So, do imaginary friends in children directly relate to the developmental growth in children? Are the imaginary friends that small children have actually just their brains way of rationalizing the first creations of their inner speech? And by extrapolation, when a child no longer has that imaginary friend, have they fully internalized that speech? My other question has to do with reading and its relation to the internal dialogue. At least for me, when I am reading or writing I notice my internal speech very noticeably. Has this been studied? Does it even relate or is it a part of a different piece of the brain entirely?

One aspect that seems universal for inner dialogue , (at least for me) is the transcending and including of new ideas, compounding and evolving them. It is like the impact of zero upon mathematics. It's a useful place holder which, we can notice transforming all the way until thought completion. Inner voice naturally spotlights, verifies, seeks, and seemingly conjures up relevant sources of insight. And keeps us there until we either complete a thought experience or realize an emotional one. It seems to rely upon compelling concentration and attention to guide.

I have ADHD and there is autism in my family. I think the two are very closely related in a lot of ways. My inner dialogue is certainly a mixture of visual symbols and images and speech...kind of like dreaming while awake and then occasionally stopping somewhere (usually when I become more consciously aware of a thought). Then I (my brain) turn the visual down and the audio up for things like problem solving and planning. There are also a lot of times that short sentences or phrases get repeated over and over again in my head. I seem to do that as a way of releasing tension or anxiety. Maybe that's a little OCDish?

@Souljahna

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like becoming aware of these connections (images/audio) would be of value to an artistic mind. At any rate, they are interesting questions.

@tracik1277

3 жыл бұрын

Phrases repeating internally or externally is echolalia.

2:39 abbreviation 5:10 thought vs inner speech 7:30 negative thoughts 11:30 subconscious and inner speech 18:55 animals and thoughts. Evolution 21:44 inner monologue vs dialog 23:30 self consciousness, identity and inner speech 25:30 problem solving

Of course: Thought gives the first 37 drafts of what we write and the first 5 or 6 drafts of what we say. It serves the same correcting and abbreviating functions that repeated drafts always serve.

Spoken language as a tool of context is similar to the table of contents and categorization glossary at either end of a text because it's slow and sometimes condensed so much that it's inadequate as a means of conveying depth of information. So the "internal dialogue" seems to have a very broad spectrum and expression from mostly silent flashes of combined sensory reactions, to deliberately slow and pedantic talk, paying attention to the context and listeners.

I think sometimes in concepts only (because putting them into words would take time, and my brain's already off on the next bit by then), sometimes like the 'Two cars,' of the speaker's daughter, and sometimes in full sentences. I even speak to myself out loud in these two methods - "No, onions first", or, "You've got to put the onions in first, you silly goose," depending on the day/stress/available time. Having first come across the concept of inner speech many years ago, I've learned to recognise it in myself, and its importance in staying on task and getting complicated jobs done in a step-by-step process. If you can't change it, embrace and use it!

@ExistenceUniversity

4 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by concept without a word?

@Jablicek

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExistenceUniversity It's quite hard to describe. Like seeing pictures - you have the whole image but it doesn't need descriptors for you to understand that it's a house in a forest, for example. Have you done mind mapping? Its a bit like that, where the concept in my head isn't only the idea being thought of, it's also some of its "companion" ideas to create a bigger picture, as it were. It's very, very difficult to put into words.

@ExistenceUniversity

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jablicek would you consider it like a file folder?

@Jablicek

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExistenceUniversity It's not that organised. More like a series of magnets that have other things attached to them.

@ExistenceUniversity

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jablicek oh like you literally think in like mental maps. Thats cool. I think I could do that but I don't know how far I could go with that.

I can often speak with the voice of others and can then speak to their souls to resolve difficulty. This only works as long as I am doing so from a place of service. This I think is expanded conscience beyond what I am attached to as ego or self and the other...while really we are all one. I have been in love where I can read the minds of this other person and she me. Then on having friends who are psychic I realized they are just in love with everyone all the time. Science like this is wonderful. The first step in the scientific method is inspiration/things coming from all knowing spirit. Testing that inspiration though by the other steps of the scientific method shows how much that message has been distorted by the ego giving the scientist involved great opportunity to heal.

Charles fernyhough says "you can think internally with words or pictures", I thought what about past feelings or experience and emotions they would change the relevance at certain times .I'm sure everyone has a mixture of all these in various quantities .

mine talk over each other which as I grow older I am thinking is some sort of ADHD but man does it get loud sometimes in a silent room. I always have sound machines on or some video (like this) playing in the background unless of course I am writing in which I usually just sit quiet and write what I hear

He says at the end that he believes some don't think via inner speech. My experience is like that; it's one that doesn't feature inner speech during its normal course. But I wonder if tests have been done to determine whether it's taking place and _we're merely deaf to it_ or if our experience is honest and _it's really not going on at all_.

@limbus_patrum

7 жыл бұрын

Well you don't need inner speech do every task so thinning (deciding making) is done without consciousness. "Those voices" can be just rumble in backstage that is not needed to be showed for proper functioning.

on not sharing all your internal monologue, its better to be a mystery to avoid people having contempt for us , its a survival strategy

I'm surprised he didn't mention Carl Jung at all, who conducted extensive research into this phenomena; both with case studies and with his own, personal inner dialogue.

I'm wondering about people who talk about themselves in 3rd person. How and if that disturb their inner dialogue.

@transcendbeing

6 жыл бұрын

Krzysztof Grzegorz Kryszczyszyn (Křyštof Gřegoř Kryščyšyn) anytime I notice my inner voice going against my thoughts I challenge my inner voice on the thinking to my thoughts if they are true or not.

Most of my inner voiced feelings are the negative ones

@lindmohamad3726

2 жыл бұрын

Thats your Djinn..voices

I feel for this guy. he has an issue with the word thinking, then he goes and uses it in his definition. also he admits that the concept of inner voice covers so much ground that (he does not find it useful ) but consider what percentage of the non PHD populace find inner voice to be a meaningful lable.

The thinking without speaking is faster because the motor cortex is not engage along with the regions that form the words only.

i never have negative thoughts or a negative internal voice, which is curious given my PTSD diagnosis

@kylepowell7266

3 жыл бұрын

Lucky man

That lady asked if we are talking to our subconscious during inner speech. We wouldn’t have a subconscious separated from our conscious if we could easily have inner dialogue between the two.. but that’s kind of crazy in itself to think that we can’t easily communicate or access it’s information. Why did it cut us off or why did it need to create us. But inner speech is how you communicate to your subconscious and ask nicely for it to do what you ask. You do this when you need a problem solved while you sleep or when you desire a lucid dream or to set your internal alarm clock.. your subconscious communicates back to you via the lightbulb moments or through your “gut feelings” .. a medical condition, sleep paralysis that is misdiagnosed cuz it’s a lucid minus the dream, its black .. its how you can actually go and be in the same “space” as your subconscious and it’s a very evil feeling ..it doesn’t want you in there and tons have reported it having a devilish smile- why do they all act the same is what I wanna know.. maybe our subs can communicate without verbal outside language ?!

@Censeo

5 жыл бұрын

I think the evil you sense during sleep paralysis is because you command your body to move yet it doesnt. That never happens during the rest of the day. That feeling alone can be very confusing and frightening. Now the brain panicks and imagines external threats during this vulnerable moment.

do i know what [marriage]....yes, but this leads to the same labyrinth of very organized groups of people...and it only takes a moment for me to lose my mind very rapidly missing the elements thet comprise a human relationship, speech enjoyment...a call from a loving voice...a gesture of good food/water/etc...before i cannot tell if my loved 1 is something perfect for me, or if the masses of "people" are the exact same thing...

If a person is born deaf, blind and mute, what language would their inner voice be in?

When I'm trying to tackle a specific problem in my mind I often find it easier to do talking out loud to myself (both "sides", although the distinction may well not be readily apparent). I'm usually alone when I do this but not always, and it's vaguely amusing how it always weirds out those who might happen to hear it. I think what talking does for me is crystallize a defined, articulate idea out of the vague, swirling slurry that non-verbal thinking is. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I feel that the _language_ I'm thinking in affects how I think in very subtle ways - I couldn't quite say how, but I certainly prefer "verbally thinking" in a specific language, and it isn't even my mother tongue. Go figure...

@alexlarsen6413

4 жыл бұрын

Same here in both regards. As for the non-verbal thinking, I'm bilingual but my first language is Danish, but I think in Danish only when I think about trivial stuff. When I go into the problem-solving mode, I switch to German and when I ponder scientific questions such as this one, I think in English. English, I do speek well, but unlike Danish or German, it's not my mother tongue. I learned it in school.

"Freud doesn't write about inner speech, as far as I can see" Lacan rolling in his grave...

Hogwash. What does he say about v2k?

😅 20:05

Western Science finally destigmatizes and dives onto the mystical scene/inner dimension explored in ancient mystery schools from millenia ago.

@expandingdome6250

6 жыл бұрын

We can hear without vibration of sound, we can see without reflecting waves of light, we can talk without moving our vocal articulators. Many abilities at our disposal and all of them exist to be used and developed.

@alexlarsen6413

4 жыл бұрын

It's called imagination you bozo.

Freud may not have addressed this, but it seems Jung did- specifically through his 'Active Imagination' protocols, and I would argue it correlates to your idea of dialogue. What is the "Red Book" if not dialogue? Jung's relationship with 'Philamon' is a dialogue that he himself admits to experiencing- auditory and visually.

Let me share a long subcon thought with you: sorry this happens every time, I am not aware of any subcon thoughts.

Pretty much no answers

Nature doesn't make lunatics. But man does.

not too much information.....