The convergence of gaming, specifically console gaming, PC monitor technology and TV technology (such as HDR) is both interesting and hilariously chaotic. I'm an enthusiast in all 3 areas but seriously it's getting ridiculous and I hope the chaos leads to more and much better Standards. This is why DF is becoming a must in the tech community. They mix it all up in the best way.

@kristiangurholt59

Жыл бұрын

As far as TV technology goes, I’m surprised with the lack of cover on black frame insertion (BFI). The LG CX that John has/had, even has the best implementation of BFI of all of LG oled’s. Plasma tv’s have perceptibly superior motion handling compared to led and oled, and BFI tries to mimic this. 60 fps on a plasma is so clean there is literally no blur when panning left and right. For those who accept the loss in brightness, I argue using BFI can result in even smoother gameplay than VRR, if the game is already running at a stable frame rate.

It is crazy how Insomniac quickly became PS5 tech wizards after they have been acquired by Sony. Here are some of the next-gen features they have utilized: - Ray-traced reflections at 60 fps. - Instantly loading levels through the best implemention of PS5's I/O block and fast SSD we have seen so far. - Stable 40 Hz fps target for 120 Hz displays - Muscle deformation through machine learning in Spider-man Miles Morales - Closest to Pixar animation level graphics we have gotten so far with Ratchet & Clank on PS5 - Best implementation of temporal injection/supersampling on console that looks close to native resolutions - Good DualSense and 3D audio support in R&C - And now the VRR and LFC modes I think no other developer have utilized next-gen consoles THIS effectively as of now.

@crestofhonor2349

2 жыл бұрын

Well some channels on KZread actually have explained why insomniac has had trouble in the past. Typically they were heavily time crunched for each of their games in the past which is why they couldn’t do everything they wanted. I believe golden bolt and tactical bacon productions have gone over it in more detail. Basically the first game they were able to produce without heavy time limitations was R&C 2016

@WeeWeeJumbo

2 жыл бұрын

when you lay out the list like that... _damn_

@PierceT537

2 жыл бұрын

This isn't a coincidence . Mark Cerny, creator of the PS4 and PS5, worked at Insomniac for years and used the studio as a test case for the Playstation 5's development. If you watched the Road to PS5 event before the PS5's launch, they used Spiderman to demonstrate the PS5 load times.

@weaverquest

2 жыл бұрын

@@crestofhonor2349 Interesting. I guess they somehow managed to retain good talent throughout all those troubled years. I will check out those videos thanks for the recommendation.

@Jadfisk

2 жыл бұрын

They earn their sleep over at the studio

John thank you so much for your excellent coverage of this and TV/monitor technology in general

@scottvalentine1749

2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know if most receivers will pass this through? I have a higher end Onkyo that’s only 2 years old that does 4k 60, don’t really want to have to get a new receiver again.

@yarayar1

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottvalentine1749 Mine did not. Look into sharc earc or sharc zone 2. PS5 direct to TV, full audio quality back to older receiver passed through the sharc device (since my receiver also doesn't have earc).

@teahousereloaded

Жыл бұрын

Mentioning the caveat that in vrr local dimming won’t work saved me a lot of money.

This seems perfect for RE Village too. That game was almost always 60 and VRR will clean up those few moments where it dipped

@LordRaydenTube

2 жыл бұрын

Tested it a few minutes ago. I play in RT-Mode and it smoothes out the experience noticeable!

@arda7881

2 жыл бұрын

Mosly plays 60 now in 4K Rt

@richardfranklin6003

2 жыл бұрын

RE Village is a great example for VRR, a game that falls within the VRR range for the majority of the playthrough. I think there "might be a drop or two where it doesn't?" The water area perhaps?

@Red_PlaysYT

2 жыл бұрын

RE Village is definitely up there as my favorite RE. I played all of them too. @Caleb Jenei how are you liking the game? :D

@paddy1382

2 жыл бұрын

@@Red_PlaysYT i can't wait to play it

As a long time PC GSync fan, I was looking forward to VRR on PS5. It works great with my C1 in Spider-Man Remastered. I hope more games get uncapped framerate support in the future though…

@hayabusa09

2 жыл бұрын

Been using Gsync on PC for years...was nice to get it on PS5 as well.

@defeqel6537

2 жыл бұрын

@@hayabusa09 this is more FreeSync than GSync, but yeah, nice to get it

@hayabusa09

2 жыл бұрын

@@defeqel6537 In reference to VRR not a platform...don't like your own comments.

@defeqel6537

2 жыл бұрын

@Jenny Melo nVidia started implementing VRR as "GSync compatible" after FreeSync / VRR threatened to make GSync irrelevant

@mattwill63

2 жыл бұрын

G SYNC IS GARBAGE

The Insomniac updates are spectacular and show just how much headroom Spidey and R&C had on PS5. Up to 30fps extra in Performance RT mode. Insane given how visually impressive they are. Real coding wizardry. Now if Guerrilla could just follow suit and update Forbidden West. They’ve made a botch job of performance mode and could save the day with a fixed 120hz/40fps Fidelity Mode or an uncapped VRR Fidelity mode :)

@jarde1989

2 жыл бұрын

Of course they had head room… they were initially built for a less powerful console lol

@maxmustermannsviertaccount4977

2 жыл бұрын

I find it even more insane that the quality mode on spiderman stays over 60fps with vrr enabled, Insomniac Devs really are build different

@bigboy0494

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarde1989 Ratchet wasn’t though

@kahnsealable

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigboy0494 Actually R&C was supposed to be a cross gen release. They scraped the PS4 version to promote that SSD for PS5. I mean this news came out last summer when Sony and Insomniac claimed that the rifts could have only been possible on the PS5 and wasnt true.

@kahnsealable

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxmustermannsviertaccount4977 No it does not.

You guys are awesome! I genuinely learn so much from your channel. You speak plainly yet not dumbed down.

Thank you guys for the great clarification about VRR and Lfc on various systems! Nice Video!

VRR in the insomniac games is simply transformative. I don’t think the DF content truly convey the difference, you play in Fidelity mode and is feels very close to performance. So much so I had to double check. The difference between 30 and 40-60 with VRR basically means that a new TV can transform your experience. It is also noteworthy how much performance overhead is needed for a locked frame rate.

@JLudd

2 жыл бұрын

Bare in mind that below 48 fps and VRR doesn’t work

@gameindustryinsider6450

2 жыл бұрын

@@JLudd Check out the Insomniac games. They have their LFC implementation on top of VRR it clearly looks better than their standard 40 fps modes.

@ReLoadXxXxX

2 жыл бұрын

@@JLudd That's false

Thank you guys, as always. This VRR PS5 coverage answers a lot of my questions, thanks again

I've been waiting for you guys to discuss this in-depth. Very informative!

I'd be really interested in a video on how VRR lowers input lag if you're on the display's native refresh rate? Are we talking unlocked or engine locked framerates? Or is it just in comparison to v-sync? Because that does make a lot of sense in that case.

@youuuuuuuuuuutube

2 жыл бұрын

In the case you described, it's in comparison to v-sync.

@codzlaw

2 жыл бұрын

If 1s updating eg 1ms the other 25ms one is waiting for the other so input lag? if both are say with vrr at 12ms nothings waiting they both update same time? . May be way off but sounds like it makes sense?.

@UltraCasualPenguin

6 ай бұрын

System wide 120hz on Xbox is good for that reason. It lowers input lag regardless of game's framerate.

If others like me are having trouble getting RE8 to update to the VRR version, Capcom suggested clearing the PS5 cache and rebuilding the database.

@Mopantsu

2 жыл бұрын

Great tip for any other games too.

@ArcadianGenesis

2 жыл бұрын

There's no patch that downloads?

@pest174

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArcadianGenesis there's a patch.

@ArcadianGenesis

2 жыл бұрын

@@pest174 So you have to rebuild the database just to trigger a patch download? 🤨

@nicknickname353

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArcadianGenesis it is stupid and absurd but it takes less than a minute despite what the name suggests

Returnal removed VRR in the latest patch. Makes me think they will implement a dedicated patch.

@IIISentorIII

2 жыл бұрын

What an amazing experience that game was. I think I'm the only person that ever finished that game when it came out from my workplace and friend. Many never managed to beat the first boss including my brother. In the end I had runs over tree map long without a single hit on me :P. And the story, and what/who actually is Helios and what happened is crazy and unique. Not to mention the 3D-Soundtrack and boss music.

@UniversalStand

2 жыл бұрын

@@IIISentorIII The Ascension DLC is the pinnacle of arcade gaming imo. It has infinite replay value and I made it to 400 on the Leaderboard today.

@kc-me6wl

2 жыл бұрын

@@IIISentorIII that game kicked my ass but there was something about it that was so damned compelling and kept me going back for more...i managed to beat it fully once, but didn't manage to get the true ending...once was hell enough for me and felt like i had accomplished enough to be honest - just couldn't face another round of it - s intense haha great game...by the way - did they implement some type of save feature in the end?

@syphonunfiltered

2 жыл бұрын

@@IIISentorIII The music for that one boss playing that huge wind piano (didn't wanna say 'huge organ' lol) is one of my favorite in gaming

@brunoserra1531

2 жыл бұрын

But what if you activate the setting which uses VRR on unsupported games ?

Totally agree with Returnal having a patch that removes the fps cap. 😍

Playing with VRR enabled in the Fidelity mode on both of the Spider-Man games is insanely awesome. I love getting to play both games around 60fps in native 4k with ray tracing. I’ve had a great experience so far with VRR on my Sony 50X85J

@razor19906

2 жыл бұрын

with vrr the res is not 4k

@jollama

11 ай бұрын

@@razor19906Let him cope

@johnnyjingus6259

10 ай бұрын

​@@jollamaI'm sure he actually was enjoying playing the game instead of spreading pointless negativity in a KZread comments section

@jollama

10 ай бұрын

@@johnnyjingus6259 I’m sure you don’t even know what’s happening here

@johnnyjingus6259

10 ай бұрын

@@jollama I'm well aware of the VRR situation on consoles and their current limits

Thanks for this Video!

Tango Gameworks just released an official vrr patch for Ghostwire Tokyo today. Not sure they added the low frame-rate compensation. Hopefully they did. Also great video guys!

Awesome video. Love the format!

Finally been waiting for you guys to cover this!

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2 жыл бұрын

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Hey John and Alex, I love your videos and the information you gave us every time but I have a big question for you: What is the best TV monitor right now (2022) for us, the gamers? ... LG C1 or C2 (yes "My Life in Gaming" reference) Sony new Oled.. etc...

@rpguntodeath6112

2 жыл бұрын

C2 most likely But the c1 is also great and you can get it for cheap .

@o_KingOfKings_o

2 жыл бұрын

The new qd oled from samsung is the new next gen for oled panel if you can burn 2k$ , if you don't care about qd oled , get the C1 48" have everything you want for gaming

@rpguntodeath6112

2 жыл бұрын

@4K 60FPS Oled for console and movies / TV Led/lcd for pc LG C1 IS 4K 120 FPS VRR with dolby support.

@rpguntodeath6112

2 жыл бұрын

@@o_KingOfKings_o yeah new samsung looks good. budget gaming c1 is still king

@GAmbrose

2 жыл бұрын

They are hardware and software reviewers, not TV reviewers. The absolute Best 'TV' for games this year is either the LG G2 WOLED or Samsung S95B QD-OLED, depending on your preferences (accuracy Vs pop) and budget

Great video! I'd be interested to see how Ghost of Tsushima and Doom Eternal PS5 are on VRR. Or are they are any recommendations for turning it on with LG Oled TVs and games that are adding it over time?

How did you get a game dashboard on the LGCX? Did you use a different tv in the video? Also, can Sony from a system standpoint with an update activate LFC and shorten the VRR range? Ty!

@DigitalFoundry It's been a while, but i remember reading that the type of display (OLED vs LCD) have a different bottom threshold to support VRR. It was a long time ago, but i think it was stated if you use an OLED, it works if you maintain 40 or above, where LCD/LED etc is 48fps... Is this true? I know this was circulating some time before playstation 5 supported the feature and curious if this stands.

Outstanding video as always guys! Insomniac is standing on top of the industry at the moment.

Vrr absolutely saves the crap out of Elden Ring on Series S. With it on, the performance mode feels quite excellent to play. I tried turning it off and wow, it's a completely different experience.

@garyb7193

2 жыл бұрын

VRR works great with Elden Ring on XSX 120fps setting but as expected DF still say PS4 version of Elden Ring played on PS5 is king. 😂 No wonder they've never done this type of extensive coverage of Series S/X VRR. Their bias is real.

@pixeljauntvr7774

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyb7193 No.

@Nicolo-ue9xu

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyb7193 Elden ring is crap on the optimization even on a 3090 you will never have stable 120 fps

@garyb7193

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nicolo-ue9xu Yeah, I don't think I'm getting a stable 60fps. Lol. But it's mostly steady frames and I'm most certain the Series X current version looks and plays better than the last gen version. SSD performance after constant deaths or rune farming alone is better than compromising with last gen not to mention enhanced current gen graphics.

@Nicolo-ue9xu

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyb7193 honestly Elden ring is so bad optimize that you need to make compromise in almost every system so don't even bother trying to find the best console to play with the only good thing with Elden ring is to have VRR

Does VRR bring any frame rate benefit on a 60hrz display that has VRR in fidelity mode for miles morales for example

Not sure if it’s related but I had my PS5 4K transfer rate set to -1 because it looked like I was drunk whenever I moved the camera. I turned the -1 back to the default automatic setting and everything looks great now! Frame rates and even image quality!

@jsteezus

2 жыл бұрын

-1 is just enabling chroma sub sampling. Reduces image quality by limiting the amount of color choices. But reduces bandwidth.

Setting up a camera to record the screen at 240fps or higher is the closest I can think for trying to capture VRR performance metrics. It’s still easily possible, even with that setup, for the camera recording and the display being out of phase with each other, meaning having to do multiple takes or getting some seriously high end equipment to timecode sync the display and the camera. Also, until you get that far, try to always set your shutter speed or shutter angle to the quickest possible setting you can manage while still getting a good exposure. That should eliminate nearly all of the ghosting effect of recording a TV screen.

A question for you.. I have a Samsung QN95A and I’ve tried VRR enabled games like Spider-Man. The info that appears on top of the image pressing info button or within the game bar shows a variable framerate (for example 90-95 hz and it varies), but game bar shows VRR disabled. I think it is a firmware issue and only a wrong info in the game bar, did you do something specific to have the correct info in your game bar?

@djpquickplays1244

2 жыл бұрын

QN90A and exactly the same issue here. It's fine on PC with an RTX3080, comes up on the game bar straight away. It is just Sony's half baked implementation causing the issue.

@GianniCostanzi

2 жыл бұрын

@@djpquickplays1244 I’ve asked them because in the video we see the Samsung game bar with VRR On so it seems to be working on their Samsung TV, right? Maybe a different firmware?

@djpquickplays1244

2 жыл бұрын

@@GianniCostanzi Yes I also saw this but they also said in the video that it wouldn't work on their Samsung TV and when a game tried to engage vrr they would get a black screen.

@GianniCostanzi

2 жыл бұрын

@@djpquickplays1244 btw VRR effectively works in performance rt in miles morales, did you tried it? It shows you hz varying between 70 and 110

@djpquickplays1244

2 жыл бұрын

@@GianniCostanzi yes I've tried it and it still has stutters sometimes, best to play in fidelity mode with vrr.

I love you guys. I waited for this.

Loving the arcade stick in the background, especially after I just finished a KOFXV session.

This is what happens when you support VRR but skip out on AMD Freesync Premium. No native LFC/No HDMI 2.0 support/ lower VRR range

@lordspalse0062

2 жыл бұрын

As far as Sony is concerned, it is MRR (Money refresh rate) to sabotage hdmi 2.0 Tv owners and compel them to get hdmi 2.1 (hopefully Sony brand)

@jamessnyder3807

2 жыл бұрын

It seems to work on my TCL R635 which is HDMI 2.0.

@hus_10001

2 жыл бұрын

Also works on my hisense using hdmi 2.0, but not all tvs with hdmi 2.0 have 2.1 features and with my tv took me hours to figure out only 1 port works and it's the port with the eARC label this is the main reason I never used eARC port because in my mind it is the audio feature port 😅(logic behind me trying this is eARC is a 2.1 feature and so is VRR so mayb that port might work)

Anybody tried this with Destiny 2? Either the standard or PvP-only 120hz modes? I feel like it’s generally pretty rock solid frame rate wise already so maybe there’s not much to benefit from here, but interested to know if it’s worth checking out.

Glad VRR has been updated on PS5. My A80J just got an update for VRR last month. Games look and play amazing!

I tested spiderman on my Hisense U8G (it's lcd), and FALD seems to be working fine with VRR at 4k 120hz. I think it was running in 4:2:2 though. So some LCDs seem good to go. I haven't tried other games yet though

@007GoldenLion

2 жыл бұрын

@Text Me On Telegram @Masteriangamer It is disabled.

Played through Miles Morales again. Really is a true pleasure on the LG CX in performance mode at those high frame rates with VRR. Rachet and Clank I originally beat in the 30fps Fidelity Mode and then the 40fps patched Fidelity Mode. But now I'm playing through in the Performance non-RT mode with VRR and it's such a great way to revisit this amazing piece of work! Looking forward to more first party games being patched with unlocked higher FPS modes for VRR.

@bagabundo1015

2 жыл бұрын

If you have the right monitor you could really see the change in resolution 🤮

@gavinderulo12

2 жыл бұрын

I cannot imagine playing these games without rt

@-BarathKumarS

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinderulo12 YMMV so does for everyone,i'm ok without RT too.

@RobStevens64

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinderulo12 Performance RT mode in the Insomniac games tends to average around 90FPS. It's awesome.

@ActNasty5

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinderulo12 i use rt on pc with my 3080. I need 60 fps on ps5 lol

So, it took Sony 2 years to do it and they half-assed it? Sounds like typical Sony under Jim Ryan

@Retro_Gamer_89

2 жыл бұрын

PS5 is 🐕 💩 🤣

@UltraCasualPenguin

6 ай бұрын

Half-assed it? That's understatement. Xbox One S has better VRR support than PS5. Let that sink in.

@supernate2199

4 ай бұрын

Half assed or not, its pretty solid

@TheHOOfan1

4 ай бұрын

@@supernate2199 You post that 2 years after it was introduced...so maybe it took them 2 years to even implement it and 4 years to make it solid Jim Ryan is out the door now, so maybe we will stop getting nickeled and dimed and half-ass software improvements.

@v.e.s2884

Ай бұрын

Is ok Microsoft takes 30 years for one single game lol

Thanks for a nother good Video...Dafür ein Dankeschön und auf Wiedersehen ✌️

I am playing on an LG LED TV and VRR works well, however when engaging 120Hz, the screen gets dim. This goes for all games that support 120Hz, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Dirt 5, Fortnite... Still haven´t found a solution!

This VRR update is obviously a future proofing implementation. It’s nice we got some specific patches from Devs but for the rest of the titles already out on the system, we’ll see this inconsistent implementation but moving forward I’m certain every new release will have specific VRR implementation at the game level rather than relying on the system wide support.

Sony should pay Insomniac to patch the PS5 firmware and add some useful features.

I have a 2019 Samsung Q70r 85” LED tv. I was looking forward to this VRR update but unfortunately it doesn’t work right with most of the games I’ve tried including games that have been patched such as Dirt 5 and Astros Playroom.. the screen either turns a yellow tint color or flickers on and off constantly. This tv is capable of freesync so I’m not sure what the problem is . It isn’t a hdmi 2.1 display. Maybe that’s the issue but like I said there’s VRR freesync in the TVs video options menu. So bummed about this not working probably 😞

So are you saying that Even with an OLED (LG CX), don't default to always try VRR or is that for LCDs?

My Samsung Q70r (2019) does not have HDMI 2.1 so I thought I was out of luck. But when set to Freesync Ultimate it works! I was so glad but wonder what’s up with that as there is no 2.1? Also noticed that occasionally when switching to 120hz mode the colors go pale, but if I switch it back an fourth one or twice the richer color returns and works fine in 120hz and looks smooth and beautiful. Odd but I’ll take it!

@MrRaitzi

2 жыл бұрын

VRR is 2.0b feature

@sexyassstephen

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same tv, from my understanding you must have the ps5 connected to the hdmi port one , or you will have issues(i did) as i think the first port has a slightly higher bandwidth then the normal 2.0 hdmi.i had it originally had it connected to port 4 and the HDR would get disabled as the VRR needs to use some of the bandwidth, but in port 1 the HDR is active, but i think there is a slight downgrade to the picture as it needs extra bandwidth.

@colinparks619

2 жыл бұрын

It can do 1080p 120hz, it software emulates hdmi 2.1 with its game hdmi port. So You are getting a hdmi 2.0 implementation, hence the issues you are getting when trying to push above 1080 and 1440p

@Mopantsu

2 жыл бұрын

Turn your TV setting to limited RGB.

@yutoob7289

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same TV. Colors go pale because HDR occasionally turns off when switching to VRR/120Hz. But as you said, switching it off/on again fixes it. And as a person mentioned before, HDMI slot no. 1 needs to be used to properly trigger VRR.

I obviously appreciate this new VRR feature for the ps5 and my LG C1. However I have a switch in the middle, so I can switch from my LG C1 and my monitor (AOC 24G2U). My monitor supports freesync premium, but Sony chose to implement the HDMI 2.1 VRR standard. So I can't use VRR on my monitor, which is where I play games like COD/WarZone/Apex/Fortnite etc. Anybody else in this situation?

@parabolee

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, lots of us.

@moof3892

Жыл бұрын

That's what happened to me on my TV, it supports AMD FreeSync and due to that I can't play 120Hz games if I have VRR on, I hope they find a way to fix this

Idk if I somehow missed this in the video but why is VRR in Astros playroom without an unlocked framerate option? Thought it was a locked 60

Alex, you’re changing the HDMI output signal to advanced correct? Some TVs you have to go into the settings and change the HDMI settings for “standard” to either “Dolby vision” “VRR” or “advanced”. Wording is different for each tv but basically some don’t default to the exact method you need and you need to tell the HDMI ports what to do.

Not supporting Freesync as part of the VRR support is a MASSIVE fail for Sony. I just expected it would as they use a AMD GPU! What madness is this?! A ton of people have Freesync monitors and TV's, so why not support it?!

@diligaf1000

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely , Sony only care about pushing TV sales so don't give a crap about monitor gamers , no 1440p and no VRR, I don't count this as vrr support as its basically only for TVs.

@lordspalse0062

2 жыл бұрын

Because they want to compel everyone with a ps5 to buy their hdmi 2.1 Tvs

@SC0RPI0NFURY

2 жыл бұрын

Technology won't move forward if everyone refuses to upgrade to newer technology, at some point they probably have to draw a line somewhere to encourage people to get a 4K display for the new gen

@givemorexp

2 жыл бұрын

@@diligaf1000 I'm pretty sure any 2.1 hdmi monitor with vrr works, yet it is a major fail from Sony and they just once again proved that they only care about their TVs + console combos.

@TheGlowingOnee

2 жыл бұрын

@@SC0RPI0NFURY not everyone has the money to buy those kind of things.

Vrr works great on xbox and it always has 😉

@UltraCasualPenguin

6 ай бұрын

Not always. From Dust has horrible framerate if VRR is on. Most of the time though...

Great content as always gentlemen!

This is where game visual settings like on PC would come in big. I could turn my graphics up or down to whatever I want, then I could enable VRR and have a good looking and steady game

Honestly, for RE Village in particular if you’re on an LCD, I’d argue it’s best to leave off VRR and keep superior local dimming, specifically because the game runs good enough and because the HDR implementation looks absolutely incredible.

@zakparamir755

2 жыл бұрын

I have a hisense TV and It can do VRR with local dimming and HDR, but yes most LCD TV's have issues with VRR.

@richardfranklin6003

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah if a game runs a mostly locked framerate, you might prefer the odd camera stutter or screen rear to a large loss of picture quality across the entire screen.

@josecarlosmoreno5876

2 жыл бұрын

I have the hisense U8G and local dimming works with VRR active

@zakparamir755

2 жыл бұрын

@@josecarlosmoreno5876 yeah

It's depressing how many limitations there are on this VRR implementation after coming from a GSync monitor on PC. Doesn't help that I have an X900H TV which disables the FALD with VRR, and still doesn't even really display 4K120 properly. So much for the "READY FOR PLAYSTATION 5" branding.

@edulinares7152

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is ready for PS5, as PS5 itself is having it's features botched as to not go above what it's Sony TV's can do.

@seanjordan9824

2 жыл бұрын

I sold my 85" X900H to a friend for a 77" C1. Best decision I ever made lol paid a few bucks more but totally worth it. I was pissed about the half-assed 4k/120 and VRR as well.

@Varmint260

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanjordan9824 Seems like the best marketing for LG's OLEDs is Sony's TV lineup lol.

@djpquickplays1244

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Sony must be intentionally trying to anger their customers. It's so frustrating. I got rid of my X90J for a Samsung QN90A and it's not even a competition. The Samsung kills it, just watch out for bad screen uniformity and send it back if you don't get an acceptable screen. I'm very close to switching to Xbox over this, they put the customer last where as Microsoft are giving people what they want.

LG C1 with VRR on playing Ratchet and Clank performance RT is like a DREAM!

Pretty exhaustive, thank you for the info.

Thank you so much for this video. This helped me understand what VRR is.

Xbox VRR - Enable VRR in settings. Enjoy. PS5 VRR - Watch this DF Video, research your display, adjust settings depending on game, keep expectations low as things may still not improve.

@DoctorHades

2 жыл бұрын

Haha. Depressingly... true.

@SC0RPI0NFURY

2 жыл бұрын

I did my research on displays about 1.5 year ago before i bought a next gen console and knew already back then what display i needed for the new gen hardware. I'm surprised people are so surprised that their monitors are not future proofed for next gen

@fresco_dinero5155

2 жыл бұрын

@@SC0RPI0NFURY I feel as tho the people who do care, have future proofed themselves based off what each of us wants/needs in our gaming setup. I have a 4K 60tv that I play my story mode games on and a 1080p 144hz VRR monitor that I play competitively on. The fact that sony is trying to force hdmi 2.1 and it’s not even worth the money is crazy to me. It’s wrong for them to not support something like freesync that literally has no problem being supported anywhere else. It’s literally free

@SC0RPI0NFURY

2 жыл бұрын

@@fresco_dinero5155 I see, i play competitive my self so i can see where you are coming from. I also have a smaller 1080p display for competitive gaming because the input delay is extremly low on it but i play just as good on my 4Ktv so which is a bit slower but on the bright side i can see more details so it might actually give me a slight advantage using the 4KTV in both the competitive games i'm playing

@fresco_dinero5155

2 жыл бұрын

@@SC0RPI0NFURY lucky for u. My tv is 4K too but the delay is considerably higher in my tv compared to my monitor. For some games not to serious (like dead by daylight or racing) it’s not too bad. But any fps games or 2k22 I would need my monitor as I’m super handicap playing with delay on my tv. I just wish song stop playing and just enable freesync so it can work better and be more universal

Guys you do amazing job on Digital Foundry. Thanks

I’m curious: where does this 48 Hz lower limit for VRR come from? I thought the VRR range is TV dependent. Some can go as low as 40 Hz. Is this different with the PS5 implementation?

@resColts

2 жыл бұрын

Its because they are using HDMI 2.1 VRR standard and not AMD Freesync. Something like a LG C9 can only do 40-120hz with gsync as it does not have freesync support. So it would be 48-120 on ps5 regardless but the newer LG's would get the benefit. The LG CX/C1 supports AMD freesync and has a VRR range of 20-120hz for both freesync/gsync thus it supports all 3 VRR standards. So that would do 20-120hz if sony did offer freesync support

@S1V3L

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a PS5 hardware limitation

Imagine locking a subpar software based vrr implementation behind an update a year plus after console release😂

@djpquickplays1244

2 жыл бұрын

For real, what a buzz kill 🙄😂

Was looking forward to VRR, then found out it doesn't work on my 1440p Gigabyte M27Q. Starting to think I should of gotten Series X instead of PS5 😮‍💨

@fresco_dinero5155

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfoaoaoa u sound like me when the update came out. I was thinking this same thing. Honestly if I would’ve know don’t was gonnna act like that at supporting features that Xbox and Pc have, I would’ve just gotten a series X or a steam deck.

Great video and thanks it helped would you use vrr on the series x on a oled tv if the game can do 120fp ? And if you turn this off should you turn it off on the tv or both the series x also ?

John your camera grading looks fantastic in this video, not sure if you've made adjustments or got a new camera, but good stuff

This should make it a bit easier to draw direct comparisons to a PC GPU right? Now we can see the GPU being used 100% in many more games, and with Vsync off in some of them. Ghostwire Tokyo would be a great game to see how the PS5 compares.

@DavideDavini

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t think of it. It would certainly be interesting.

@elitebeing21

2 жыл бұрын

Are you saying that the gpu is being used 100% because what it show in yhe video or what you think?

@frankwainwright7826

2 жыл бұрын

@@elitebeing21 with vrr it can force games to run flat out without any vsync or fps limit to muddy it, in ghostwire Tokyo there's a mode where the framerate is totally unlocked so it should be meaning that the ps5s GPU is going as fast as possible to make as many frames a possible (male highest fps)

@sh4dow2788

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and no. The gpu would still be limited by cpu needs due to smart shift technology. If the cpu needs more juice it will drop voltage to the gpu. So still wouldn’t be able to truly compare the difference 1-1

@getdrinking

2 жыл бұрын

Alex battaglia already did a pc gpu comparison ages ago - its about the same as a 2070super

Love the idea of VRR. My X900H does it but, as stated in the video, it absolutely murders the picture quality. I'm only going to use it in games where the tearing or stutter is unbearable. Looking at the new LG C2 come next black friday because its pretty terrible. I wish Sony would have been clear with this when buying because I would not have bought this panel if that was the case. Learned a lesson to not trust a "feature to come later."

@e.777.r2

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean ? I have been using it and it looks great, Im using a Sony x85j havent had any issue with the image quality.

@mikem2253

2 жыл бұрын

@@e.777.r2 Everything on my X900H gets washed out and blown out. Local dimming is disabled. Seems to also disable HDR too.

@gibroon4418

2 жыл бұрын

I have a x900h as well and instantly noticed a drop in brightness due to the local dimming being switched off. Glad I watched the DF video to fully understand what was going on. Elden Ring is a lot smoother but had to up the gamma in game. I do hope most developers target a steady 30 and 60 fps for games as not everyone has the luxury of vrr and oled screens. Good to have options though.

@jimfisher9749

2 жыл бұрын

Dont waste your money on the C2...The only thing different is that its a little brighter and thats it....The C1 is literally the same tv as the c2 but its way cheaper....Im actually looking at the Samsung S95B....Its the best tv so far this year....I curreny own the X900H...Im trying to figure out if i can disable ALLM....I game in standard picture mode....The colors are amazing....i keep HDR off....

@e.777.r2

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikem2253 Ill try it with my TV, its brand new and I havent turn off the VRR feature since I got it, have you tried moving some of the picture settings around ?

I also have a Samsung NU8000 and mine does support VRR. It didn't work in Basic mode, but it does in Ultimate. I live in the US so it may have different software than the EU version.

I'm using a Vizio P65Q9-H1 and it only hits 48-60Hz with VRR enabled (the TV is native 120Hz). Ghost of Tsushima would freeze the screen more than half the time when I enabled the Unsupported Games option.

@MrRaitzi

2 жыл бұрын

Vizio is shit.

Works well with Dirt 5 on my LG C1 48

40fps LFC support is crucial for VRR.

@brunogm

2 жыл бұрын

People mod their EDID freesync range on PC and show that 30~120+ is possible

@user-qg7oq6qw5c

2 жыл бұрын

You dont need lfc. Just 120 hz output and 60 fps v-sync will double framerate.

Curious which TV you guys used.... Panasonic jz2000 has max 60 frames in vrr.. My a90j has 100+ frames in Spiderman in performance rt mode.

Works on my older LG Oled BX model

I play a lot of PS4 games still so I’m pretty sad it isn’t available with PS4 games. Also, the low frame rate compensation not being a thing Is disappointing. Though I’m still glad it’s finally here

@FrankoNL

2 жыл бұрын

the lack of LFC is pretty bad imo. If, when UE 5 becomes popular, games run at unstable framerates .. let's say between 40 and 60 or maybe like 32 FPS, the VRR is useless. That's not great.

@qualitygaming7169

2 жыл бұрын

Is that really an issue??? PS5 runs all PS4 games at a locked 60 fps. Remember unlocked framerate above 60 fps requires a TV/monitor with 120hz and HDMI 2.1.

@djam2410

2 жыл бұрын

you don't need it on PS4, those games are maxed out on PS5

@fenixa2z936

2 жыл бұрын

@@qualitygaming7169 Pretty sure all PS4 games run at 60fps if they’ve been patched or the frame rate is unlocked. Not needed IMO.

@Mopantsu

2 жыл бұрын

LFC can be coded in by game devs like Insomniac have.

Hopefully now both platforms are using it we get more updates for it. Because as far as I know there are extremely few games on Xbox that support it other than cleaning up instability. Though it's frustrating that they never bothered patching Dmc5 on Xbox but immediately fixed the issue on PS5. I doubt they even bothered doing it still which is just stupid

How do you pull up that LG CX VRR menu?

So I also have CX OLED, but I don't believe I have the overlay that they show to display the VRR info the way they do in the video. Is there a different firmware I can download to get that menu, or a special way to get to it? Perhaps it's a regional difference since I'm in the US and John is in Europe? I'm aware of spamming the green button on my remote for the VRR display information, I would just prefer the overlay in the video much more.

@doctorsilva1345

2 жыл бұрын

Its called game bar and its only available in recent Samsung TVs

13:38 Doo-Doo

Sony half assed this. A company that makes TVs and game consoles fumbled VRR.

It has been a while since I read the HDMI spec. Is quick transport (pardon if I do not remember the exact marketing term) also implemented? It is supposed to reduce latency.

@nicknickname353

2 жыл бұрын

ALLM : Auto Low Latency Mode Yes it now locks sony TVs to game mode when connected to ps5 and also auto hdr tone mapping is done the first time a new sony tv is connected to the ps5

with th qn90a i havent seen any reduction of picture quality while VRR is on

I have an LG CX and the difference with Elden Ring is simply amazing

Unless it’s devs like Insomniac that make great use out of VRR implementation, all devs should strive to make theirs games a rock solid 30/60fps without and drops. VRR can be great, but there is always a trade off be it large or small.

@_duffy_7965

2 жыл бұрын

One reason why VRR is so good with Insomniac games is because they know how to make their framerate targets. Insomniac continues to lead by example and many studios need to learn to follow

@TANuclear

2 жыл бұрын

All devs should also add uncapped in both those modes with LFC. It can't be that hard

@dri_him

2 жыл бұрын

40fps should totally replace 30fps in near future.

@RocNation04

2 жыл бұрын

Or Sony could have supported AMD Freesync Premium (includes LFC) on PS5 like on Xbox and PC and this wouldn't have been a problem. If Freesync was implemented hdmi 2.0 would also be supported and not just hdmi 2.1

@dri_him

2 жыл бұрын

@@RocNation04 not "or" but "and".

How do you bring up the game bar on the lg cx. I didn't no they even added one to the cx models. I no about the green button presses which only tells you what the TV is outputting at.

I have Samsung Nu8042 so the same as nu8000 and vrr work on my tv fine. I have to change from standard freesync to best and it work, console detected tv as supported. Edit: it work on dirt 5 but dont work on Ratchet and Clank

I forgot that when you have a game running at 4K/120hz, the PS5 share UI drops to 1080p

@Sackboy612

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder why? Actually bugs me a lot, I wanna know why Also it drops to 4:2:2 which is fine, but it says 8 bit which isn't good for HDR no?

@TurnaboutAdam

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sackboy612 It bugs me a bit but it’s not a *huge* deal.

@Sackboy612

2 жыл бұрын

@@TurnaboutAdam Yeah it's not a big deal, i'm just curious to know the technical reason as to why tbh

@TurnaboutAdam

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sackboy612 I feel like probably to focus processing power on the game, maybe?

@o_KingOfKings_o

2 жыл бұрын

? On my c1 the menu is 4k 120fps

other youtubers video length 2 to 10 min long, digital foundery 36 min😳

2 things, Final Fantasy 14 VRR... can it stand hunt trains or the big cities? and the Vizio TV. they are a big brand and never really get much talk. My PS5 set the VRR to 48-60 but the TV can go to 120. In fact it has that option on the PS5 but still sets the VRR to cap at 60... would you happen to know why this is? Model-PQX65

any words on how this works/not works on warzone on PS5 with 120hz enabled?

I just want 1440p 😭

@Retro_Gamer_89

2 жыл бұрын

You'll be waiting another 2 years 🤣

Speaking of Variable Refresh Rates, are John's and Alex's cameras at different frame rates or am I imagining that?

I get the black screen on Spider-Man:MM whenever I toggle VRR on the PS5. I have to physically unplug my Samsung Frame (2022) from power at the wall and turn it back on to get it to display properly. I could hear myself navigating the menu while screen was black though using the Pulse 3D headphones.

I have an NU 8000 as well and it seems to work with VRR on PS5. I‘ve only tested Cyberpunk 2077 with it (which isn’t officially supported) and had some short black screens during cutscenes.

Glad the feature is here. Wish it were more robust like the Series X implementation is. Just means most if not all of my 3rd party gaming will be on Xbox.

@TheChallenger1000

2 жыл бұрын

VRR on my Series X runs funny. Runs perfectly on my PS5 🤷‍♂️

@baughjaughes5104

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheChallenger1000 vrr on my Xbox is superb. On my PlayStation it seems to be a bit hit and miss depending on the game. Sony has a little bit of work to do with it I think

@TheChallenger1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@baughjaughes5104 I'm sure some of this relies on compatibility with one's TV, some being better than others.

@FEWGEE1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheChallenger1000 it also relies on the game.

@TheChallenger1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEWGEE1 "Compatibility with one's TV" encompasses that since the system is going to communicate to the TV what the game is programmed to make the system output.

I have been waiting on this one

I don’t understand “persistence blur” that John keeps mentioning when using 120Hz mode on XsX. I’ve not heard one person ever mention it before. Am I miss understanding something?

Been using VRR/G-sync since i got my SX and never really noticed framerate drop or stuttering.

For Elden Ring, I tested and is a game changer for the PS5 version on Performance mode, works really great, but still I prefer playing the PS4 version + BFI, the movement clarity is just unbeateable for me, I play on a C1 btw.

@LuisSR01

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the ignorance, what's BFI?

@Pieman523

2 жыл бұрын

Do you use the game optimizer, and if so do you notice listed fps drops for ER.

@hughr9088

2 жыл бұрын

I'm the same, was really hoping this would be the 'magic bullet' allowing me to swap to the PS5 version, but the frequent drops below 48 fps were still too jarring for me after playing the PS4 app.

@pennywisethedancingclown7139

2 жыл бұрын

@@LuisSR01 black frame insertion. Works really well to make motion clear and smooth.

@vegasan9

2 жыл бұрын

@@LuisSR01 Black Frame Insertion, basically tries to emulate the display technology of old CRTs for movement clarity

It's really a big shame that the VRR implementation is not the HDMI 2.0/Freesync type. It's really annoying that 120Hz works on my monitor for PS5 but not Xbox, yet Xbox can use VRR but not PS5.

@KyleSetFire

2 жыл бұрын

Why doesn't your monitor work for 120hz on Xbox? Mine does.

@zihechen3111

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleSetFire no game uncapped fps on Xbox.

@Alcatraz760

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleSetFire I guess something to do with the EDID. PS5 wasnt working with my monitor at launch until they removed the EDID requirement with an update.

@KyleSetFire

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alcatraz760 You spoken to customer service?

@Alcatraz760

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleSetFire Not really bothered to. It's not like customer service can update the OS to support my monitor. If I want to play HFR games I go do it on PC.

I’ve noticed on Ragnarok with VRR on there is a lot of screen flickering. I imagine this is the LFC issue when the frames dip below 48? I’m on a VIZIO OLED. Not concerned about brightness issues etc, the flickering is a concern and it crazy how Sony hasn’t addressed this.

Can anyone explain why it’s constantly brought up that VRR can potentially reduce latency on the consoles when using similar technologies whether being G sync or free sync on pc you can feel a massive increase in latency?