Its great to see Richard “In The Here And Now” Leadbetter, here and now.

@LewisHamiltonMSPR

3 жыл бұрын

"Change for the better Hit it then dead her That's my vendetta Richard Leadbetter" - Star67 by Drake.

Whenever Richard appears, I just think how 'Bespoke' he is.

@manuel0578

3 жыл бұрын

Linus used “bespoke” in the steam deck video lol

@waltzraghu686

3 жыл бұрын

@@manuel0578 But has he used 'in the here and now'? 😏

@MrSadface

3 жыл бұрын

ＢＥＳＰＯＫＥ

@faisal_the_man2116

3 жыл бұрын

Done and dusted

@AbrahamZX1

3 жыл бұрын

Next gen bespokeness

Thanks mate. Looking forward to the next storage video with all the different SSDs tested 👍

@yogeshkandare3214

3 жыл бұрын

OMG Karl ??? :))

@slipknotbalushi7135

3 жыл бұрын

@@yogeshkandare3214 🤦🏻‍♂️

@ca9inec0mic58

3 жыл бұрын

You have an Xbox Series X and now you're getting a PS5? Awesome

@neosmith166

3 жыл бұрын

Karl, what are you doing on DF channel? Hope your visa issue got resolved.

@KarlRock

3 жыл бұрын

@@ca9inec0mic58 na, my nephew has a PS5, but I just like to follow all gaming consoles so I can play their exclusives too.

I'd love to get a comparison video with other drives of similar spends and slower speeds. Great work as always!

Now I can download Knack as many times as I can.

@RidgeRacer

3 жыл бұрын

Knack 500 baby

@Shukulo

3 жыл бұрын

knack 8k babeeeeey

@laworder6637

3 жыл бұрын

Knack3 Baabyyyy

@El_Gallo_De_Oro

3 жыл бұрын

You’re a mad man!

@David-nd4to

3 жыл бұрын

Knacc attacc

Rich made a good point , the external ssd does not have to contend with OS process accesses.

@ultimate_president

3 жыл бұрын

So true i didnt think about that since now and thats actually really good, will use the m2 space then primarly for games as soon as i get a ssd

@qwertmom

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense since a lot of people say PC's should ideally have separate SSD's for Windows OS and actual games for PC. Guess it would apply to the PS5 as well.

@codean909

3 жыл бұрын

Would really like to see a test with a clean OS install with everything else stored on the added ssd slot vs a ps5 with a full internal storage and also using an added ssd.

@MarvinConnell

3 жыл бұрын

INDEED & I'm All For spreading load to improve performance & longevity - which is why I HOPE Sony gives the PS5 the ability to AUTOMATICALLY save Capture Data to external HDDs... >.>

@othman0077

3 жыл бұрын

👍🏻

I'm so glad digital foundary does such tests so well and covers near all bases, it's great for consumers.

@jollama

Жыл бұрын

*Foundry

This is great information and I like how the tested the Xbox Series X Seagate SSD in the mix. Richard you did an amazing job nothing but respect.

Yes finally been waiting for DF's tests

The video I've been waiting for! ❤️

@lesserspottedmugwump.363

3 жыл бұрын

Now your PS4 games can load 2 seconds quicker. Fantastic

Thanks for both the info and hard work with the tests so we don't have to look else where. Keep up the good work.

Brilliant analysis! As always. Appreciate so much what you gentlemen do :)

Respect to DF! The amount of times they had to shift apps (and the SSD) back and forth for these tests must have been exhausting.

@shaundavidssd

3 жыл бұрын

Really?multiple ps5's .............

@jonteguy

3 жыл бұрын

I think they got multiple PS5s, probably one each. Just a guess though.

@MrBandaforce

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonteguy Richard mentioned having both disc version and digital version ps5 for extra storage back when there was no patch for external storage

@khaledm.1476

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBandaforce yea that sounded super annoying, like he had to get a whole other ps5 so he can enough space to test games

@m1lkshake766

3 жыл бұрын

As if it's not literally their jobs lol

I appreciate all the work that went into this video. Thanks DF!

This makes me so excited for the future of this console... being given a bare minimum to essentially be limited by bandwidth of pcie x4 is wild... Awesome video!

Amazing work from the team here

Been waiting for this! Even though I personally don't need more storage on my PS5, I am enjoying watching the coverage of the new SSD slot

I subscribe for Richard's bespoke, pristine quality hand motions.

Great technical video, as always. Covers everything!

Super informative Rich, Thank you.

While watching this, my GF says "Everything about his guy's voice sounds boring to me". I replied this is why I love his videos. Pure Information at it's finest. Ty m8!

@daddyt2837

3 жыл бұрын

Then your gf must have the personality of a door nail

@Console_Gaming_Vids

3 жыл бұрын

I hope she’s now your ex-girlfriend. You don’t need someone with bad opinions in your life.

@arithmetic7105

3 жыл бұрын

Get rid of her, she's clearly not worth it

@HoudiniFontmeister

3 жыл бұрын

She's just wrong for one. His voice is like butter. Further more as you say the information relayed makes it hard to be bored while listening to him. she just doesn't seem to understand what he is talking about thus it is boring. If you need someone to talk fast, Hyped and/or Loud to stay focused and enjoy what they say then there is a good chance that you are just not interested in the source subject. Fortunately none of that matters and she is entitled to feel as she wants.

@WayStedYou

3 жыл бұрын

Ex GF i hope

Can't believe it took a year for this to be implemented.

@Ayoul

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm not quite sure why there was a delay. It's not like they only support 2021 drives or something.

@ketchupcatsup753

3 жыл бұрын

And its so simple for everyone to do🤓

@kthebarbarian8223

3 жыл бұрын

This was likely a strategic wait and see as the market had to catch up. There weren't many choices in the realm of super fast M.2 drives, as even the 980 PRO didn't soft release until January of this year. Many of these drives were supposed to release in early to mid 2020, then got summarily delayed once the pandemic hit. Sony likely didn't want to cause a slew of consumer confusion by having the feature day 1, with barely any drives to take advantage of it. Leading to a bunch of people purchasing drives that are way too slow. Or having the 1 or 2 drives in the market going into hyper-inflation/ a bot buying frenzy. Exactly what is happening with the PS5 right now.

Richards video profiles keep getting flatter and flatter. :D

Awesome Explanation, on point discussion. You guys deserve at least 5M subscribers 💖💖💖

Looks like the best move is to set the internal ssd as the default install location then when its full copy games over to the m.2 ssd since it’s faster to copy from internal ssd to the m.2.

@woodiemarv

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on the drive u use

@Kingtoby1981

3 жыл бұрын

I'm using the 2TB Western Digital SN850 M2 SSD drive and it's faster than the Samsung M2 SSD drive

@playstationnextgenil491

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kingtoby1981 they are of the same speeds.

@Kingtoby1981

3 жыл бұрын

@@playstationnextgenil491 I know but it was a little faster after watching and comparing this video with my speed test at home. It doesn't make sense at all and I'm still scratching my head

@Ayoul

3 жыл бұрын

People are rarely going to be moving around their data that much between both since they are internal anyway. Either could be the default with the other as backup with such marginal differences. I'd say M.2 as default if the person plays lots of back compat.

I've been eagerly waiting for this analysis! Really fascinating results. My suggestions for the next video: 1) Try sustained transfer rates for large files (500+ GB). You could transfer five 100 GB games to see if there is a significant slowdown. I imagine having the heatsink would be most beneficial for this. 2) Please include summary graphs! It is hard to mentally keep track of all the numbers when they run by so fast. Making a simple graph in Excel would help people like me see the big picture, and not get lost in all the numbers. 3) Please test 1 TB and 2 TB drives. There are small spec differences with controllers, etc, so it would be useful to know. 4) Any way to test the temperature of the SSD itself, both with and without a heatsink? Judging from the overall results, there is no universal benefit to having a heatsink, at least in terms of pure transfer/read speeds. I'd be curious though if the temps tell a different story. I would pay extra for a heatsink if it really made a difference for longevity, but I don't want to waste money if the Samsung heatspreader sticker is enough. You guys rock! I'd be curious if the final firmware will make a difference at all.

@MattMcConnell93

3 жыл бұрын

I have two PS5s and got two 1TB 980 PROs to expand both. I can confirm the initial load up of my 1TB 980 PRO tested in at 5500 MB/s on both systems I upgraded, two different models on two different PS5s.

@MattMcConnell93

3 жыл бұрын

Also I got a heat sink on Amazon for about $10 on Amazon which fit about the same as the aorus. It should help with longevity over time.

@KarrasBastomi

3 жыл бұрын

And lower than recommended spec ssd!

@MiniRunnera7

3 жыл бұрын

DO NOT not use a heatsink, especially if you play for a long time, something will break or burn if you dont lol

@RoyBrown777

3 жыл бұрын

Who cares? You'll do this once, I only have an interest in game performance.

How convenient you tested the exact drive I have! thank you!

Thanks for the tests! Will try the SN850 once 2.0 is out

Do the same test but with a NVME that doesn’t match PS5 recommended specs, like a 3000mbps card

@owwmykneecap

3 жыл бұрын

AFAIK, the system test wouldn't allow you to use it. But who knows.

@wetw0rk14180

3 жыл бұрын

When the PS5 does the read test, cards below spec are rejected. While it would be fun to see how Ratchet would play on a slower SSD, the machine won't allow you to use it.

@khaledm.1476

3 жыл бұрын

@@wetw0rk14180 I did hear insomniac devs actually tried that and got like 15% slower loading in ratchet and clank, which you know is a tad bit more annoying but I don't know if it's immersion breaking

@madezra64

3 жыл бұрын

@@khaledm.1476 It breaks the the mechanic though technically. You expect a portal to be instant or near-instant. Adding 15% delay to the already present delay would ruin the effect, illusion, and gimmick. If it was a matter of a load screen it wouldn't be a problem at all and you'd be right, but this would ruin the portal mechanic almost entirely. It would be weird to see such a noticeable lag on visuals. They wouldn't be insync.

@TheFirstRealChewy

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't even both with that test. We only want to know about the SSDs that do work with the system.

Finally it´s possible to extend the storage with highspeed solutions. I have some room left on the internal storage but options are always great and the game library get´s bigger and bigger over time. Now I wait for prices to come down.

I’ve watched several videos regarding this topic… but I’ve been waiting for DF’s run through specifically before I move forward 👍

great video and helps clear up alot. I'll be curious to see which drives are supported when out of beta.

The heatsink vs. no heatsink deltas are almost surely only run to run variance. Thermal throttling is a go / no go thing, and if the drive throttles, you’d see a very large difference in times since performance would fall significantly for several seconds. Also, the Samsung drives have an effective heat spreading copper layer in their labels. The only time you would have risked throttling in that testing would have been when moving games to the drive (power consumption is highest while writing).

Very nice video, many thanks for sharing these analyses! Would love to see, how the firecuda 530 will perform, since its specs are very promising, which is particularly true for the 2/4TB versions. Optionally, would also love to learn, which heatsinks are most suitable.

@RustyRoj

3 жыл бұрын

Given how well the Samsung performed you might find there’s a case of diminishing returns on the extra performance from the Firecuda drive. If the Segate cost more you might just be throwing money away. That said we need to see tests first though to confirm this other wise it’s just me speculating. Personally I’m inclined to get whatever Mark Cerny is using since he obviously knows the system better than anyone. Also since it’s been in the market longer so the WD black might be easier to find on sale.

How did i never know about this channel until now?!? Got a new sub here

Love these guys man, they help in the decision making process

Though speed between with and without heatsink is insignificant, it is still required. Someone on Reddit tested 980 pro too, a heatsink reduced temperature 20 Celsius (from 74 to 50). I hope you test temperature as well.

@shakengandulf

3 жыл бұрын

Have a link, love to read this..? No biggy if not.

@chrisb1047

3 жыл бұрын

74 to 50 is definitely not possible. Either they screwed up their experiment or they recorded incorrect/erroneous results.

@tinhoyhu

3 жыл бұрын

Were they using a thermocouple or IR thermometer? Shininess of materials may affect accuracy when going with IR.

@255bb6

3 жыл бұрын

@@tinhoyhu In that thread, he used an infrared thermometer.

@karnliberated8891

3 жыл бұрын

Samsung Magician doesn't even warn you until it gets to like 82c. Anandtech had a whole breakdown of temps with their review

Would love a second video with the sn850 and maybe talking about heat problems, throtteling and the question of leaving the flap of the m.2 open or not (airflow problems...?!?).

Thanks for a great view into the internal upgrades!

Useful info, thanks

The expansion slot leverages the full internal IO subsystems like the stock drive. Without that, you wouldn't see these speeds in native PS5 titles. Down the road when DirectStorage becomes more mainstream and game supported on PC, you'll see the same advantage using a superfast SSD with or without DirectStorage in play.

@jamescorey3516

3 жыл бұрын

They do want to cut the time by having the GPU directly accessing the SSD rather than going GPU then CPU then RAM then SSD to then back to the CPU, then back to the GPU. Yeah, there are huge advantages here with the PS5 being an APU and accessing directly the SSD. Some PC fanboys said there wouldn't be a difference but there certainly is now they want it too.

@untamedronin8339

3 жыл бұрын

I'm excited for DirectStorage. Finally something that'll put my Sabrent Rocket 4 through its paces in games.

@paul1979uk2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamescorey3516 There's always a difference and it's mostly because Microsoft didn't come up with something like Direct Storage a long time ago when considering M2 drives have been out for years but to be fair, games have not really needed that until now, hence why SSD and M2 drives perform about the same with games even thought a PCI Express 3.0 drive is about 7 times faster than a SSD drive, PCI Express 4.0 is even faster. What I do find strange on the PC is why is it just games that don't take advantage of M2 drives when pretty much everything else does on the PC, this was never a problem with games when PC gamers went from mechanical drives to SSD drives, the performance on everything including games was instant.

@fredsas12

3 жыл бұрын

@@paul1979uk2000 The reason they perform the same is because games DO NOT rely on sequential (i.e: the 7000MB/ps) speeds. They rely on the random access speeds to load data in game. If you stuck a SATA speed class M2 drive in there, it would perform pretty much the same. Where sequential speeds matter is on the inital install. When one is copying games from the install program over to the drive.

@glenmcl

3 жыл бұрын

Keep waiting

When an SSD literally 1/2 the price of the entire PS5 DE console beats its load time by 2 seconds :D

@AlejandroLZuvic

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Microsoft solution isn't cheaper (in fact it's a bit more expensive). It's what happens when you introduce new technology.

your content is always the best!! thx for the amazing videos!!

Thank you for the thoughtful video. Now to make up my mind on which size I want.

Console gaming is in such a great place whether you are on ps5 or xbox, so excited to see where it goes..

@David-ln8qh

3 жыл бұрын

except the buying it part

I would love too see the Seagate Firecuda 530, Aorua Gen4 7000s and as previously stated WD SN850.

thanks so much for this vid, cant wait to add my WDsn850 to my ps5 soon

Awesome vid. I am using the 2TB WD SN850. Love it..

I’m kinda glad that Sony went with standard M.2 SSDs. Sure, they’re expensive now. But they’ll eventually start to go down in price as time goes on since they aren’t proprietary. That being said, I do wish that Sony made a list of already-available SSDs that are fair game for the PS5.

@chan13153

3 жыл бұрын

Yep this is the truth.

@rinkumultani6515

3 жыл бұрын

they will give the list just be patient but there are serval or almost all over 5500mb work fine with ps5

@carolinagamer2874

3 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn’t proprietary go down in price?

@eric.waffles

3 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly how I felt about the matter. I have a PS5, and even though I feel like XSX’s architecture is more cleverly designed, they made a mistake not allowing for an M2 expansion slot.

@Spar10x

3 жыл бұрын

If NAND prices goes down, I'm sure Xbox's proprietary expansions will go down too since they have to be competitive. Still i prefer standard m.2 tho

I wonder if you really are supposed to re-attach the cover after the SSD was installed? This way, the headsink isn't exposed to the airflow? Wish you had checked the temps as well.

@nowonmetube

3 жыл бұрын

Or you have to because dust? I guess the PS5 manual should tell about it.

@randypender2867

2 жыл бұрын

It creates a negative air pressure thus aiding in the cooling

Cool, cool. Saw the video this morning and Amazon delivered my Samsung 980 Pro drive this afternoon and the heat sink comes in tomorrow. :) Im glad the console drive tech caught up to PC. My current main gaming PC has two Western Digital Black SN850 drives which are almost copy and paste spec as the Samsung 980 Pro's.

That Ratchet & Clank frame hitch test was a clever experiment.

I imagine the heatsink is more for hardware longevity rather than speed (although as said in the video it does seem that it may actually make a small difference to performance).

I’m hoping to see the Firecuda 530 M.2 NVME Gen4 detailed soon. Proclaims to be the fastest read/write speeds of any m.2 Gen4 drives to date

Great info 👍

Great video! Thanks!!

I wonder if the heatsink required is a preemptive measure to when the SSDs might be used much more heavily for streaming. I remember Cerny talking about streaming in all the assets in the viewport in real-time. Maybe a future technique for the PS5 VR headset?

@nitinanku

3 жыл бұрын

If rumours are to be believed then the PS5 will use eye tracking to know what to render in at a higher resolution. I assume that would need the ssd to be very fast and be used pretty heavily for that

@photonboy999

3 жыл бұрын

Copying data to the SSD (i.e. a game) is likely far more intensive than streaming textures. The SSD temperature also depends on many factors including ambient air temperature. You might not use one and be fine. You might use one and have the SSD throttling down so you'd never know (unless a game needed it to run full speed so you got stutters).

@Steve-ph7qn

3 жыл бұрын

It’s mostly because of the enclosed and unventilated design for the m2 SSD. It’s basically gonna have no way of exhausting heat in there otherwise.

@One21P

3 жыл бұрын

SSD performance with the heatsink last longer. The longer you game without a heatsink is when you get speed throttle.

@jamezxh

3 жыл бұрын

@@One21P hah what a load of crap 💩

980 pro (500GB) is freaking sci fi. I bought it at a discount €85 + be quiet MC1 heatsink €15. Perfect combination and fits in the PS5, read speeds tested at 6700MB/s.

@housespecial7855

2 жыл бұрын

I bought the 1tb with heatsink, am only getting read speed of 5670, and looking on other videos, people are saying similar 🤔

@TDamsma

2 жыл бұрын

@@housespecial7855 yeah depends on the size of your drive, the smaller ones (250-500GB) tend to show faster speeds. Don't think about it. It's just a check from Sony, look it up.

@housespecial7855

2 жыл бұрын

@@TDamsma just a check?

@TDamsma

2 жыл бұрын

@@housespecial7855 jep look it up, If you put the 980 pro in a pc it would be much faster. Don't worry. The drive is faster than 5600MB/s. Go KZread similar videos about this particular situation. But I wouldn't worry, because it exceeds the minimum read speeds. Go have fun and enjoy the extra space.

Thanks guys !!!

Thanks Richard! I'm using the same drive, haven't had any issues at all and I was able to get the 500GB version for $119 on Amazon.

I’m so glad Digital Foundry exists

Thanks for the great video. It looks like Sony team really optimized reads on the internal ssd and was less aggressive on the writes (makes sense for limited-bandwidth requirements for game installs). Interesting results on battlefield as well, I wonder if it uses higher or lower numbers of small files vs the other tested games

@Ayoul

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing to do with optimization. It's just cheaper for Sony to have a slower writing SSD.

@BlacklistBill

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ayoul That's incorrect. SSD performance has more to do with the controller hardware/firmware connected to the NAND flash with the flash memory chosen as complementary to that controller (ie you would not put a porsche engine in a hyundai accent body). This is especially true for the PS5 since Sony developed their own SSD controller hardware/firmware rather than using something off the shelf meaning that if the write performance is slower, it was by Sony's design. If they really wanted to save money they could have purchased the fastest flash memory in the world alongside the fastest controller available instead of developing their own control hardware. Doing that was very expensive for Sony.

Good video DF. This is some good information, I do like the Plug n Play style of the Xbox Expansion Storage and the Swappable nature aswell, you at the their mercy tho when it comes too Pricing n Availablity and with the PS5 you definitely have more Options n Price Options but it is more fiddly too connect and once it's in that's it you can't Swap it around.

the review I was waiting for

would be interested to see the Ratchet & Clank testing compared with and without heatsync. It seems like it should be the most intense workload we could give storage at the moment to see how much we REALLY need that heatsync.

It’s good to see the flexibility and the freedom to choose any SSD vendor and capacity that you like, Sony knows how the proprietary expansion hurts the reputation of a system like they did on Vita with pretty expensive cards on a era of MicroSDs

@mostmost1

3 жыл бұрын

Good move by Sony because people don't trust them with storage cards.

@x-coin0420

3 жыл бұрын

You people never pay attention xbox has already confirmed cheaper 3rd party expansion cards will come too so xbox did It better still.

@offspringfan89

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad Microsoft didn't learn with Sony's mistake on PS Vita cards, what were they thinking?

@x-coin0420

3 жыл бұрын

@@offspringfan89 read my comment above yours.

@JeanSamyr

3 жыл бұрын

@@x-coin0420 the Seagate is actually a third party, it’s not made by MS, but they have to pay a tax to MS to make a compatible drive with the MS connector. The PS5 use standard M.2 compatible with PCs, so the drive is multi propose, you can buy for PS5 and in the future if you want use on PC. The MS approach is like Apple with the MFI

Great detailed review!

Great video! Thank you!

Note: the Samsung SSD 980 Pro Gen4 500GB version has 5GB write speed vs the WD_Black SN850 500GB Gen4 has 4GB wite speed. Only from the 1TB version you get 5GB write speed. So if you are going for 500GB SSD, then it would be better to go for the Samsung

@dannyruiz3820

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks that's good info

@Vegemeister1

3 жыл бұрын

Why would you care about write speed, though? The only thing it affects (moving games from the built-in SSD) is a rare use-case.

@AntiTako

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vegemeister1 updates, installing games, transferring games...

@Lead_Foot

3 жыл бұрын

@@AntiTako You somehow got a 50Gbe port and internet connection? Or did this suddenly get a USB4 with pcie pass through?

@ElGrueso

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vegemeister1 I recommend you to read about SSD to see why the constant write speed is so important. Beside Samsung SSD is always recommended because of the best reliability.

No question, being able to put in drives of any size is an advantage for PS5. But I prefer the hot-swapping ability of the Xbox Series expansion option vs. 10 minutes to swap drives from one system to another. The fact that it’s plugged in externally should be a heat-dissipation advantage too. Hot-swapping won’t matter at all to some people, but will matter hugely to others (such as people with an Xbox in the living room and the bedroom).

@Ayoul

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages for sure, but I just don't see the average gamer being comfortable getting the right kind of drive that already are pretty expensive, need a heatsink (they probably don't even know what that means) and then opening up their PS5's. Average Xbox gamer can just go to a Gamestop and buy the dongle and plug it in. Like I know the common counter argument to this is that changing the SSD is basically child's play for them (especially PC builders), but it really isn't for most people.

@ScrapKing73

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ayoul Agreed. I don't think this is necessarily beyond most people's ability. I do think it is beyond many people's *perceptions* of their ability. And also beyond their desire to do so. They'd be more likely to be PC gamers if they were comfortable with disassembling their systems, even if it's an easy disassembly. :)

Nice, I will keep this in mind when I end up getting more games down the line. Just want folders tbh haha!

Thank you very informative video

I honestly think it's amazing that Sony decided to allow non-proprietary SSDs. Not a greedy call at all. They will probably benefit from this in the long run and they know it, obviously. Still, it doesn't come off as greedy because they are taking a risk and chance this way.

@Shadowespeon17

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, financially, Sony gains nothing from third party SSDs so there's nothing greedy about it

@thelarry383

3 жыл бұрын

They've gone the non-proprietary route since PS3 which used just a normal 2.5 inch HDD.

@mrrglass3407

3 жыл бұрын

Xbox is going to offer more SSD companies solutions to the Xbox series.... With varying sizes.

@Sparatan18608

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Microsoft was coming off greedy for their solution. I think they just want it easier for the average consumer. Plug and play as they say

@syed2694

3 жыл бұрын

They've learned their lesson from the PS VITA lol.

I'm curious to see why there was such a big difference in speeds between the 980 pro 500GB here and the 980 pro 1 TB that was on Spawn Wave.

@AlejandroLZuvic

3 жыл бұрын

Different SKUs some times have 1) different controllers that are simply faster 2) different block sizes in the formatting which result in the controller being able to “grab more data” addressing the same number of blocks or clusters. Usually the difference is pretty small and it only happens during big linear reads, I don’t know how big is the difference you saw.

@rmo9808

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlejandroLZuvic Digital Foundry had a speed around 6500 MB/s and Spawn Wave had one closer to 5500 MB/s

Oh my god thank you I’m not the only one having problems with the 980 I seriously thought I was the only one but I guess a lot of people are having problems with it and other drives to thank you so much I’m glad I was reading the comments

You got me I suscribed ... I just wonder when the final software update will happen I was not chosen to test the Beta :(

"Upgrading a PC is complicated compared to consoles"

Missed opportunity with 1st party game loading times. Spiderman: MM absolutely should have been included here as it has some of the fastest loading times of any ps5 game.

@MrHabushi

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Really not interested in PS4 game load times, it was already established that they don't greatly benefit from being on the system SSD vs an external USB one so not sure what was expected here?

@Driftwood420

3 жыл бұрын

Meh that's probably because there's not much of a game to load. Not very interesting tbh

@Ayoul

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrHabushi I think you got that all mixed up. The reason why they might not have looked at Miles Morales is because it wouldn't make an interesting difference. It's already only a few seconds with older games. Why would they look at Miles Morales if the difference is possibly less than a tenth of a second on a game that loads this fast. Also, it's not because we already know something that it's not worth testing. We knew going in that newer and faster SSD's would fare better in most cases. It's literally the same tech, plugged in the same way on the MB. But the exact difference is what they wanted to look at and if perhaps there would be an unexpected result (like BFV).

@Driftwood420

3 жыл бұрын

@CJ P. You for real? The game's like 5 hours long 😂

@Driftwood420

3 жыл бұрын

@CJ P. The amount of content could have an affect sure. Either way it's uninteresting to test

This was the video I needed

the music at the beginning of the video reminds me of the old songs used in comparisons of games from different consoles

I was very surprised Sony went with standard off-the-shelf M.2 drives, traditionally Sony has always tried to come up with their own format for storage in their electronics. Whether it was Betamax, Minidisc, MemoryStick, or UMDs they always tried to get that extra nickel out of the consumer so this was a pleasant surprise.

@akkibajaj705

3 жыл бұрын

Msft on the other hand tho 😬

@jaydee2847

3 жыл бұрын

PlayStation home consoles have supported standard storage options since PS2

@chibicascade

3 жыл бұрын

Well, PS2, PS3, and PS4 all used standard hard drives. Psp works with microSD if you get an adapter to make it for the slot.

@wixxzblu

3 жыл бұрын

its not really that surprising for Sony's mainline consoles. The PS2 have a 3.5" hard drive bay, while PS3 and PS4 have a 2.5" bay. The PS2/PS3 playing your favorite DVD/Blu-ray when other dedicated dvd/blu-ray drives where more than the console itself is not really in line with "getting that extra nickel out of consumers" as you are saying.

@zan8117

3 жыл бұрын

You can put any 2.5HDD into a PS3/PS4 even PS2 had a HDD expansion bay for games like FF11 but can also mod a PS2 and run games of it.. They used their proprietary storage for PSP and Vita which was a terrible idea when more people are buying digital games and they're charging people $100 for a 32GB SD card. Also of course Memory Card which ironically they stopped doing because Xbox had an Internal HDD.

After this one, the VRR update should be the next big one since the TV's are suppose to get by winter of this year and I'm sure they'll get about the same time

@TheAbdID

3 жыл бұрын

Yesss my sony xh 90 is waiting

@mash2481

3 жыл бұрын

I do hope that this happens soon. Can’t understand why it didn’t ship with VRR support.

@lukastemberger

3 жыл бұрын

I've been playing on PS5 since day 1. Never saw a screen tear or stutters... Having VRR won't make any difference, it's not a PC with unpredictable performance.

@aaronclay4665

3 жыл бұрын

@@mash2481 because Playstation is the only thing in Sony with there head on straight.... ps5 didn't ship with it cuz TV didn't have it yet and Sony is dumb like tha.

@pixeljauntvr7774

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaronclay4665 Exactly. The PS5 having VRR would highlight a flaw in Sony TV sets and encourage potential buyers to opt for a competitive TV brand.

Great and very in-depth tests and comparisons. A explanation why transferring to the internal SSD of the PS5 might be slower because that's also where the system is running from? Don't have a PS5 and don't know much about it, but it's an idea that came up when seeing the video.

I believe it to be a great choice. 3rd party options for capacity upgrade. Let us not forget what happened with the PSP's memory cards. Thanks for this detail review as always. Much appreciated.

Those game transfers to and from the internal PS5 SSD and the M.2, was that done with or without the heatsink? Didn't hear you mention it.

@jondoe1444

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think that would matter, because other youtube vids also mention the slow speeds when writing back to the ps5. I think it's because the ps5's ssd was mainly "tuned" for reading speeds as against writing speeds, since most times game data will be read from the ssd.

@vScoobyDoox

3 жыл бұрын

@@jondoe1444 Oh yeh almost certainly unrelated to that issue, I was just asking as the longer transfer times are where the heatsink would really come into play. I'd like to have seen these tests done with and without the heatsink really.

@paul1979uk2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@vScoobyDoox Can't comment on this drive but on one of the Samsung drives I've got which can do 3.5GB per second, not having the heatsink on makes a massive difference, basically, with it on, temps are around 55c-61c, with it off, temps are around 91c. I would imagine that PCI Express 4.0 drives get hotter because they run much faster and an easy way to test that out would be with the same drive on a PC with and without a heatsink and see what the temps are. For the record, performance didn't drop on my drive without a heatsink even with such a high temp but it shows that a heatsink can make a massive difference on temps.

My takeaway from this is that the native PS5 SSD is not optimized for write speeds. Which explains why Sony doesn't spec write performance for compatible M.2 drives.

@stephensiemonsma

3 жыл бұрын

Or that Digital Foundry shouldn't have ran write tests on a nearly full drive. Their testing methodology for this part was terrible. Lack of SLC caching can fully explain the result.

@Soremwar

3 жыл бұрын

When you consider that most of the time you are gonna be downloading or copying from game discs where the read speed is the limitation, it makes sense

@devilmikey00

3 жыл бұрын

Which isn't really surprising. Consumer SSD's might get used in some write intensive workloads, the PS5 is only playing games. Read speeds are all that really matter in that environment.

@romanhrytskiv8845

3 жыл бұрын

I think they’ve consciously made write speeds that slow because this doesn’t matter when you play the game and because they can cut the manufacturing price because of that (i guess), still a pity.

@tigerdefensesystems

3 жыл бұрын

@@romanhrytskiv8845 any HDD or SSD drive will slow down its write speeds significantly the fuller it gets, so when you start to fill that expansion NVME same deal.

Finally they made a video about this, tiz about time 👍

At first glance I genuinely thought the thumbnail had a Greggs sausage roll in it 😂

Thanks for the video! I am 2 years late to upgrading my PS5, however now that I am sharing the storage space with 2 other people, I've been in need of an upgrade. I was always under the assumption that we'd REPLACE the internal drive. So great that it is instead a separate storage slot on its own which can be used in addition to the internal storage. Guess I won't have to opt for the 2TB drive after all. For anyone who is watching this now as well, Amazon has the 980 Pro, with a heatsink, for pretty cheap. About $80 and no more expensive than the version without a heatsink.

Adding a heatsink isn't about performance. It's about making sure it doesn't overheat.

@bluedestiny88

2 жыл бұрын

Wonder if that’s the reason why it took so long for internal storage expansion options to come along - they were hoping they might be able to make it work without a heat sink first

@AndyGilleand

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluedestiny88 Well maybe they shouldn't have enclosed it the way they did then lol. I was always worried about the airflow over the M2 slot when they showed the teardown.

@beardymcbeardface69

2 жыл бұрын

NVMe drive controllers, like many CPU's and other high performance semiconductors, throttle their performance with clock throttling, based on operating temperature thresholds. They do this to avoid overheating. A heatsink equiped NVMe drive, will allow sustained reads and writes for much longer before performance throttling kicks in, versus an NVMe drive which does not have a heatsink. You can find info about the various levels of heat threshold throttling in the manuals of some NVMe drives. My Firecuda is an example. With a heatsink, a drive can operate at max performance for longer, during sustained reads and writes, than the same drive without a heatsink. In the short term a heatsink provides greater performance and in the longer term a heatsink provides greater lifetime.

Nice to know that there're some SSDs that function atm. Don't need to upgrade right now but sounds promising for the future.

@Dr.WhetFarts

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah when those cheap bulk SSD will start dying people will have to replace their drive. Thats the problem with SSDs when you go cheap as possible. Longevity.

Great video DF!!! Was that some type of cheese used as thermal pad/paste for the SSD heatsink? 😆😆😆

@dannyruiz3820

3 жыл бұрын

🤣😂😭

@SebHighDef

3 жыл бұрын

american cheese

I put in a WD_Black SN850 into my PS5 (500 GB). Games seem to run exactly the same as on the internal. Will see if that changes as time goes on, but currently very happy with the setup

@Aggrofool

3 жыл бұрын

500 too small

I'm guessing the M.2 -> internal ssd transfer is slow because the console is verifying the data, due to the fact that the drive is potentially modifiable by a PC. Thoughts?

@ckianak

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good point

@stephensiemonsma

3 жыл бұрын

The PS5 drive was also nearly full, limiting its ability to transfer using an SLC cache. Terrible methodology, honestly.

@f-22raptor25

3 жыл бұрын

the seq. writes is much lower for the internal ssd, which is expected as its not a pro level ssd.

@SentinelBorg

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, that is simply a result of the internal SSD being rather bad in terms of write speeds, which doesn't come as a surprise. A 980 Pro is made for creators that write a lot in comparison.

@imo098765

3 жыл бұрын

The write speed would be slower than read speed. You dont need amazing write speed unless you are doing massive data transfer often. You not downloading a GB/s so why would you need that fast write speed. but the 980 PRO is designed as it name says for a professional work load that requires the moving of data on and off it. Assume someone that does 4K video editing and uses that drive daily

Nobody else does it as well as Digital Foundry. Great vid.

Great video i wanted to see some lower velocity ssd to see what will happen

I'm curious if it's better for the longevity of the SSD to omit the metal cover @4:39 to improve airflow and heat dissipation (the two air vents “notches” seem too small).

@JuanSanchez24

3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious about this as well

@metallicafan416

3 жыл бұрын

Sony says to use a heatsink

@NickBFTD

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the air flows through the bay as part of the cooling of the system, it wouldn't be a good idea to leave it off.

@devilmikey00

3 жыл бұрын

SSD workloads in a gaming environment are going to be short and heavy. So 100% for under a minute then low usage. A heatsink will soak the heat in that short workload and have plenty of time to dissipate it when it's barely being used.

@maxmaxneolit

3 жыл бұрын

You'll mess up the designed airflow if you leave the metal cover off. Just put a good coper heatsink on your M.2 and you'll be golden in terms of longevity.

Got my Mark Cerny WD-Black SN 850 1TB today ... for 155€ a pretty good price also (+20€ for a 3rd party Heatsink) 😍 unfortunately i have to wait for my beta access or for the final release of the SSD support 🤣 but prices already go sky high and most of ssds are already sold out 🤓

@nikolavonfulton5195

3 жыл бұрын

Oh absolutely got a 2 tb western digital with heat sink and it is already backordered for 3-4 weeks. I wanted to get a drive before the dumb scalpers buy them up like crazy and sell them for obnoxious prices on eBay like they like to do.

@paracuja

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikolavonfulton5195 nice 😃🙏 they also have ridiculous prices for the 1TB version with heatsink ... without its like 160€ on amazon and with heatsink it was 320€ 🤣 same with 2TB version... they are so clever 😏

@paracuja

3 жыл бұрын

@@thehoonta5312 980 is also pretty nice 😏👌

@AntiTako

3 жыл бұрын

I got the 2tb version with the heatsink. Also, my PS5 is already running the beta version and my SSD is arriving Monday.

@silentkb

3 жыл бұрын

Exact same combo as what I bought. I got the update yesterday and it works flawlessly. read speed of 6559mbs.

Thank you for the infos

Not interested on adding storage to my ps5 for now, but it looks interested. Great video