I’m with you on not wanting the timeline to become a mess, but having the Alien being something that’s been evolving for millions of years to become the perfect organism, and not a creation of David is definitely the way to go for me 👍

@hugoalynstephens9166

6 ай бұрын

Far as I am concerned David only created a 'man-made' variant thar had it's differences and flaws, like the Abbot in Prometheus. The Xenomrph itself has been around for years, as implied heavully by the mural H.R. Giger created for Prometheus.

@woollysammoth8488

6 ай бұрын

@@hugoalynstephens9166 I always thought that would be better and also thought it might be the case, Prometheus and AC did a horrid job in explaining it though I feel.

@bladerunner3314

6 ай бұрын

For me, the Xenos always have been a bio weapon, but bringing in David was stupid.

@dandolanphotography8983

6 ай бұрын

David never created them he only remade them.

@patdawg1980

6 ай бұрын

I think they should adapt from the comics now

Ripley was saying the Xenomorph CAN BE USED AS A BIOWEAPON. She wasn't saying it was engineered in half an Hour

I still can't figure how Ridley Scott planned from getting to the end of Covenant to the beginning of Alien. Apparently, he couldn't either.

@chriswhite3692

6 ай бұрын

Shoehorning something in that made even less sense. Frankly, Prometheus is a fine little standalone horror film and probably should be regarded as such but as soon as they turned Space Jockeys into...Engineers, I was checked out. For one- the Space Jockeys are WAY bigger. Just look at the difference in scale between the two.

@reasonabledoubt6908

6 ай бұрын

Yup . Clearly!! Total shit show. Rush job to stop someone else taking it over and tryingto stay relevant with an easy win..

@camojoe83

4 ай бұрын

He saw other movies that built on his were better and wanted to retroactively destroy them.

Thank goodness! The best 'canon' was the combination of Alien, Aliens and the Dark Horse comics... (I do have a soft spot for Alien 3, though!)

@Uzarran

6 ай бұрын

I agree. It may not have been as good as the first two, but I think Alien 3 gets way more hate than it deserves. Then again, I've also softened a lot on Resurrection in recent years. The movie may be trash, but boy do I admire how all-in they went with it.

@Paul_1971

6 ай бұрын

The revised/assembly cut makes Alien 3 a LOT better IMO

@Blisterdude123

6 ай бұрын

This is honestly the reverse of the Star Wars situation. There, Disney wiping out canon was a waste. Here, I just see Hawley as tidying the canon up and cutting out extraneous or in Scott's case self-sabotaging nonsense.

@HENRYGCOLLINS

6 ай бұрын

Alien 3 was good 👍

@eldritchmorgasm4018

6 ай бұрын

I realy like "Prometheus", and I realy hate "Alienated: Inconvenient", so it's kinda good it got erased, if that's the case. The comics are sweet, I decided to get back into the old stuff. About the tv-show, I don't believe this will be good, though I hope it's good.

The thing is, I never assumed David created the Alien species. It’s clear in the Engineers hieroglyphs/art on the walls in Prometheus that the xenomorph species had been around for a very long time. I felt that David was just experimenting with the dna ala Dr. Frankenstein to see what he could accomplish. In fact it’s not unreasonable to think that the engineers had done the same thing long ago with xenomorph dna.

@davebear9825

19 күн бұрын

The Murals etc... in part are Easter Eggs but in part merely show the Engineers had encountered something that is related to the Xenomorph and had made experiments to create something related. AC was a attempt to indicate that David Created the Xenomorph, the earlier Drafts indicate this, the Davids Work Shop notes and drawings indicated this (but most was not shown in the Movie) and RS had confirmed it. However with purely what we have been shown in the Movie then its not conclusive either way. Until other Movies come along that definitively show the Xenomorph to be much OLDER than Prometheus Time Line... then its open to debate. The TV series will indicate that the Xenomorphs are Millions of Years old though. But it is alternative Canon

Sounds like there's a bigger chance that Alien Isolation has a better chance of being officially canon.

@jamesmacleod671

6 ай бұрын

Loved that game it really captured the fear and tension of the first two movies.

@th3lonef0x4

6 ай бұрын

It's been official canon for years now.

The Xenomorph being an ancient almost force of nature is far more attractive. The retro-future is an excellent choice and I always liked the idea that maybe Blade Runner is in the same universe as hinted at in the Alien prequels.

@taterboob

6 ай бұрын

I heard a compelling argument on a podcast years ago that Alien, Blade Runner, and Avatar all share the same universe. Predator as well, but the AvP movies aren't canon.

@pelinoregeryon6593

6 ай бұрын

@@taterboob Don't forget Star Wars 😏 remember the storm trooper helmet on the predators trophy wall in Predator Two 😁 if the Predator universe is part of the Alien universe Star Wars is too 😉

@MagicE13

6 ай бұрын

Soldier starring Kurt Russel is apparently in the same universe.

@Trygvar13

6 ай бұрын

One scene in Prometheus clearly showed that the Xenomorphs were old. There was the statue of a Queen in the room where the back goo was stored. I always assumed that it was because the Xenomorph DNA was used to create the goo so all the creatures were variations of the Xenomorph.

@sygmarvexarion7891

6 ай бұрын

I prefer my headcanon that the Xenomorph is an incredibly ancient biological weapon used in a galactic war hundreds of thousands of years before Humanity, and remnants of that war are still scattered across the galaxy in the form crashed starships on some planets, as well as more dormant weapons like the xenomorphs.

To be honest, it always felt more horrifying that they were just creatures rather than a bio-weapon or whatever. It added to the theme of an uncaring universe.

@nathanskywalker1536

6 ай бұрын

Exactly you get it

@efreq.6465

6 ай бұрын

No it’s fucking stupid. Alien is quite literally a copy of hr gigers work, his work is about creationism. Lol why do you think the aliens look biomechanical in the first place

@dikkedonnie4722

4 ай бұрын

It was always a bio weapon carried by the space jockey ship

@johnthecrazedsskull81

4 ай бұрын

@@dikkedonnie4722 they're not very good bio weapons then

@dikkedonnie4722

4 ай бұрын

@@johnthecrazedsskull81 Or they where just science experiments carried to some other location.

I like how that could return some mystery to the Space Jockeys. The idea of how they're just tall, albino humanoids was always a bit disappointing. Besides, the Jockey in the chair was massive compared to the engineers. I'm also glad that Hawley likes the retro-futurism of the first movie. It was incredible to see recreated in Alien:Isolation.

@KC_Runz

6 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more! We all wanted more from the jockeys, we all agreed that that was never a suit, it was a loving breathing organism!!

@EmanuelHedberg

6 ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@maxmercer1931

6 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Ridley Scott really shit on "Alien" by demystifying the Engineers/Space Jockey

@idiot_city5244

6 ай бұрын

Tall, albino humanoids are waaaay cooler than some stupid elephant alien... lol

@DrTeeth66

6 ай бұрын

He _did_ - but it's worth stressing that Scott wrote neither Alien nor Prometheus. It was _Lindelof_ who messed up the Space Jockey lore.

100% agree. l like the retro look idea of Alien1 and Aliens more . Good!👍

I still find it hard to REALLY AND TRULY care beyond the first two films.

@shalindelta7

6 ай бұрын

Facts, and you really shouldn't.

It was made clear in Alien that the ship was thousands of years old on LV426? Makes since to me. So AvP is cannon again?

This is good news. I didnt *hate* Prometheus, I just would've liked it more if it wasnt tied to Alien. The connection felt so tacked-on, and I think it ultimately hurt both Alien and Prometheus. Also: I'm not excited for the new Alien stuff, either.

@Simon-xc5oy

6 ай бұрын

The film Prometheus started out as a direct prequel to Alien. Then half way through filming they changed it so it was not a direct prequel, but its own thing and went in a more cerebral, search for the Gods direction. Utterly stupid. And it shows in the mess of the film. Most casual viewers to this day, think the planet from Prometheus is supposed to be the one from Alien of 1979. And it was originally going to be, till they changed it mid filming and none of it was explained properly with any satisfaction. Questions and ideas are set up then not explained. Throw in Lindeloff as a writer who has no clue what he is doing or how to follow through but just makes shit up on the spot, then changes it then changes it back etc, and you get the mess of Prometheus. Fans turned out to see it on the strength of Alien and Scott and walked away bored, infuriated and let down. Which meant they did not turn out for the second film which tried to correct what went wrong in the first one, and made it all even worse....a total screw up from start to finish....

I loved Prometheus, loved the idea of the engineers, how they were going to dive deep into that. Covenant didn't do anything for me. I think we could of done without covenant

@vlcheish

6 ай бұрын

Thats because the negative reaction to Prometheus had Scott turn Covenant into a mix cheap horror movie. The back story was great but never utilized it. Prometheus was great besides a few major blunders which people only talk about. 1. Casting the two dopes who play with the worm thing and get killed 2. Having Charlize Theron get crush running in a straight line.

I like Hawley's take on things. Paying respect to the roots of the lore. Retro is always better.

Excellent news. Now next up we just need the disney starwars trilogy removed from canon!

Best news for a long time! The lore/story of Promethius and the follow up movie is horrible! This is awesome!

I disagree with 99% of the stuff Disney does, but they say a broken clock is still right twice a day. I have ALWAYS felt that if the true origin were ever revealed, it needed to be something that made the Aliens more unknowable, not less. I imagine that their creator was on the level of cosmic horror. Imagine an entity, like a Lovecraftian great-old-one. This colossal being would look far more powerful and impressive than any Xenomorph we've seen thus far, but it would clearly look like it belongs in the Xenomorph family. It would be no mere monster or kaiju, but a deity like entity. This entity was exiled from another universe, and created the Xenomorph species in it's image and likeness. This being could only create life that needed to kill in order to be born. It's goal is to supplant all life with it's own creations. That the Xenomorph can take many forms, beyond just what is determined by the host. Perhaps the Hadley's Hope Queen we saw in "Aliens" was just one of thousands of possible variants of egg creating types. There might be castes that are far larger and more dangerous than even Queens. The point is, the origin would be an entity far beyond what humans could ever hope to conquer or fight, and that origin truly made the Alien impossible to ever truly predict or know.

@bruticaloz2627

6 ай бұрын

This. Absolutely this. That would mean the space Jockey guys basically stuck their dicks in a cosmic horror threat and human did as well.

@bigtomboye

6 ай бұрын

They don't need any origin beyond homeworld Darwinian evolution

@GreatRottweiler

6 ай бұрын

Well, the Dark Horse comics timeline added that element of the Aliens being ancient life forms in Xenomorph Prime, and there were larger castes above the Queen; The Empress caste and the Queen Mother caste, the latter being about 40-50ft / 20+ meters tall with a massive ovipositor, you should look up for the Female War comic, in which 2 broods led by two queen mothers are fighting each other. Not to mention all the other Castes the comics introduced which were later invalidated by the prequel movies; Praetorians, Royal Guards, Ultramorphs (Queen Mother's personal guards), etc.

@bigtomboye

6 ай бұрын

@@GreatRottweiler That sounds cool

@GreatRottweiler

6 ай бұрын

​@@bigtomboyeYeah, the Dark Horse comics had a much better extended universe in terms of the origins of the Xenomorphs and how they were just bred by the Space Jockeys in captivity as weapons.

While I’m highly skeptical of anything being made today, I’m actually very glad to hear that he’s using the original aesthetic. As for the Engineers, if that storyline had been executed better I may have cared, but as things stand, I think I too prefer the idea that the alien species was natural evolution done to perfection

Honestly I'm just more excited now. Prometheus and Covenant were crap, any Ridley Scott involvement in the franchise post-Alien has been complete garbage. I could not be more fine with that nonsense being ignored. Comes to something when an outside creator better understands why an IP appeals to fans more than it's original creator. From this I take away that Hawley understands nobody wanted the xenomorphs true origin explained, people liked the rough-and-ready practical and hodge-podge 'real' vibe to space and technology, and that people like the general enigma and mystique of the mythology around the engineers.

@slang1517

6 ай бұрын

Ridley Scott isn't the original creator. He was just the director. Without Dan O'bannon and H.R. Giger, Alien wouldn't exist. A movie about the Space Jockeys and the xenomorph origin could have been good, but it was completely foolish and arrogant of Ridley to change the space Jockey into humanoids that created us. Giger created the space Jockey, and it was a supposed to be a biomechanical organism unlike anything on Earth.

@Blisterdude123

6 ай бұрын

@@slang1517 If you can dig up the Dark Horse comic Aliens: Apocalypse, you'll find the far, far more compelling story I think Ridley Scott took a hatchet to, copied badly, and ruined to make Prometheus. Check it out, trust me, and then stare into space for five minutes dwelling on how good a film it COULD have been with someone who wasn't Ridley Scott at the helm.

Prometheus was supposed to be a prequel series it was supposed to be about the engineers, but he gave into pressure from fans and the studio.

@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203

6 ай бұрын

the so called fans want alien 5 with alien dinosaurs crocodiles and stuff. Not the engineer ''bullshit''

Now only if The Predator wasn’t canon

Fuck me…. I would literally give a kidney just to get that third movie to connect to the original.

I'm happy for al that to be retconned. The engineers were poorly executed, and were disappointing as payoff for the space jockey mystery. And the engineered bio-weapon just cheapens what the Xenomorph is, and makes them less scary somehow. The idea that these things evolved on some distant planet eons ago taps into primordial fear, and adds more layers of mystery.

@aikighost

6 ай бұрын

100% agree, also yes to the retro futurism of the tech.

@Cookieboy70

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Finding the engineers was always a fantastic premise, and started off very well, but everything kind of went sideways when they actually woke the engineer up. Having David be the creator of the Aliens made no sense.

@Dd-fb2tj

6 ай бұрын

Nothing has been retconned....he simply isnt focusing on that backstory

In one of the books or perhaps the DH comics it was explained that the reason their tech in the original movies was the way it was due to a very nasty computer virus.

@chriswhite3692

6 ай бұрын

lol Jesus. That makes no fucking sense. Like- it was so bad that everything was analog for decades or something?

@briankriens5645

6 ай бұрын

@@chriswhite3692 Take your complaint to Dark Horse Comics. It's their story contribution, which most people consider far superior to any of the utter garbage that's come out of Hollywood since Alien 3 Assembly Cut, LOL.

So dose this mean that the origin of the xenos are now a total mystery again? *YIPPIE!*

@EmanuelHedberg

6 ай бұрын

Hope so 👍

@lasskinn474

6 ай бұрын

well yeah. not that prometheus explained jack shit anyway and the timeline from prometheus just plain doesn't work either unless you're really trying to cope and probably took some acid too.

@Dd-fb2tj

6 ай бұрын

no...nothing has been retconned or cancelled from lore

I viewed David's Xenos as him just following an existing recipe & making improvements rather than "creating" them. The Engineers could've harnessed the Alien from the wild & weaponised it.

@hugoalynstephens9166

6 ай бұрын

Same here. We've got the mural and the Abbot creature in Prometheus to even say that has always been the case all of this time.

@ShadowPhoenixMaximus

6 ай бұрын

I thought there was an Alien homeworld and that the Engineers worshipped them?

@ressljs

6 ай бұрын

I really liked the engineers, at least in Prometheus. Covenant felt like Ridley Scott was just treading water until he could figure out what to do. Nothing very interesting happened in that movie until the end, which was a great set up for the next movie. I was really looking forward to seeing what happens when an android with a god complex has an alien breeding program and a whole ship of hosts. I was also hoping the Engineers would come back in the third movie. But I've pretty much abandoned hope now that Disney owns it. I really don't intend on watching any of the new stuff unless I hear from reliable sources that it's actually worth my time.

@wcw2793

6 ай бұрын

This was always my interpretation of it as well.

The Xenomorph was USED as a weapon, but was never stablished that it was created by the engineers, unless I missed something, the exact nature of it is still a mystery, so I don't understand why the new show creator would say this.

Prometheus was such a disappointment. It had great potential, but dropped the ball. Alien Covenant was a shit attempt at fixing it

PROMETHEUS is still one of my top 5 movies ever. They better not consider AVP movies cannon!!

One thing that gives ALIEN an advantage is that you can still make or choose your own personal canon based on the existing material and your preferences which in all honesty makes the franchise far more versatile than most others out there.

The Alien according to Covenant wasn't actually an Alien . I enjoyed those movies but there's no way the engineers were the same creature from that derelict ship in the first film.

@warsincs

6 ай бұрын

@Koopyspappy So because of a retcon you think they are the same? That thing on the derelict was around 4 times the size of an engineer... but ok.

@cancelme4200

6 ай бұрын

The best version was the Dark Horse version of the engineers. But, Ridley Scott knew better, right🙄?

@lasskinn474

6 ай бұрын

the timeline doesn't fit with prometheus/covenant either. scott probably thought that it didn't matter that the timeline doesn't work tho. like for the retcon to work you have to erase Alien, Aliens, alien 3 and 4 from the timeline anyway! making it entirely it's own universe already at that point - like none of the alien movies fit with prometheus.

Well however this show turns out at least it managed to do that.

They didn't have to retcon any of it though. Everything was advanced in Prometheus because Weyland invested heavily in something he believed might extend his life to allow him to rule longer. The aftermath of this was Weyland went into enormous debt and had to pay the families of the expedition members. This lead to the company going into receivership and merging with Yutani. Covenant could have explained David's claims of creating the aliens as being the ravings of a malfunctioning android. I also think events from both of these movies could have been covered up by the company and explained the colony ship with all hands was lost during a previously unexplained energy event. David could proceed with his experimentation only to lose the ship in another space phenomena. We don't have to have an explanation for why the story takes place later or why Ridley Scott's story ended with Covenant.

@hugoalynstephens9166

6 ай бұрын

110% the thoughts I would have on the matter!

@ilikemilfsandcougars

6 ай бұрын

Makes sense

@bladerunner3314

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention, the Nostromo was the equivalent of an oil rig, as long as it works, doesn't have to be pretty. Same with the Sulaco, a tank is no yacht. The Prometheus on the other hand can be viewed as a yacht, a sportscar. The franchise hit a dead end with the whole David BS, BUT, this director will only make it worse IMO.

@Lethyss

6 ай бұрын

@agenttexx That makes no sense at all technologywise. They ruined the prequels by going with a modern day vision of the future and not the retro-future as in the originals.

@Lethyss

6 ай бұрын

@@bladerunner3314 Even if the tank is old, it's just the exterior. Unless they add reactive armor packages. The internals would be upgraded. So the Nostromo wouldn't have looked that old with regards to computers if it was set in the same universe as Prometheus. And oil rigs look modern now. It can only get better now imo. The prequels weren't horrendous, but as Alien prequels they were bad. They should have been separate from that franchise.

Excellent. The mystery of its origins is what made it so great and scary. Not everything has to be explained to exacting detail.

There's a really easy solution for this where Prometheus and Alien: Covenant remain canon. As far as I can see it, there are "two problems" that need to be addressed--the advanced technology of the prequels vs. the originals, and the "millions of years of perfect evolution" vs. "30 minute bioweapon" issue of the Alien itself. With regards to the technology problem: It's like comparing what Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk would experience as the head of a major tech corporation exploring in deep space (i.e., Peter Weyland in Prometheus), with all the latest state-of-the-art technology, or a major colonizing vessel venturing into the unknown on behalf of a world government (the colony ship in Alien: Covenant), at least upper-level technology, would have onboard, vs. what low-level grunts working as space truckers (Ripley and the characters in the original Alien) would go through with old and outdated technology. It's two opposite ends of a spectrum. As for the "30 minute bioweapon" vs. "millions of years of perfect evolution": Isn't it entirely possible that David's version of the Xenomorph ISN'T the original Xenomorph? In the movie Prometheus, there's an image on the wall of the canister chamber of a Xenomorph with outspread arms... hinting that these creatures have already existed long before, from "millions of years of perfect evolution". I'd argue that David is trying to recreate that "perfect being" (with his "30 minute bioweapon"), much as he's a recreation of human beings himself. Basically, Mr. H, I think you're reading too much into this, especially since Ridley Scott is still a producer on board both the tv series and the upcoming movie.

@sacredpower7530

6 ай бұрын

I completely agree with this explanation and I also agree that he might be reading too much into this.

@supoa9489

6 ай бұрын

Your definitely reading too much to it, they clearly don't mesh

@slang1517

6 ай бұрын

Prometheus and Covenant deserve to wiped from canon. It was disrespectful of Ridley to retcon the ideas of Giger and O'bannon. He destroyed the greatest thing he was ever involved in creating.

@Vladimirlives13

6 ай бұрын

The technology issue was explained on one of the videos on the channel Project Acheron. I highly recommend it for Alien lore or even just a casual look-see.

If I were in charge, I would just order up a megabudget retread of Aliens. Since they don't seem to know where to go with the property. Simply set it in a huge city where terrorists get hold of Xenomorph materials and set them loose like an impromptu bio weapon. Then send in the military for a massive showdown like the old NES Contra games. Very simple.

Everything done in the AvP games was vastly better than anything Hollywood has spat onto our cinema screens.

@ConnorMcCartney95

6 ай бұрын

Weren't they regarded as shit too?

@ldeschamps6149

6 ай бұрын

​@@ConnorMcCartney95No that would be the movies

@ConnorMcCartney95

6 ай бұрын

@@ldeschamps6149 alien games were regarded as shit up until Alien Isolation

I never liked the lore from Prometheus and Covenant, not the Xenos, not the Engineers, so I'm a few years ahead with not accepting them as canon. It would be great to get a more Alien/Aliens vibe in a tv show or movie again.

I like the idea of going back to the technology of the first two films. Those two films especially the first one had a grittier darker scarier feel.

I do admit that Prometheus and Covenant are guilty pleasures to watch, just like Alien 3 and Resurrection. As for removing them from Alien canon, I am fine with that and it just kind of tosses the general lore into a massive mess. Would like it if they could do their own take on Earth War or similar Dark Horse series or even take ideas from Alien fanfilms to move everything forward. Either way, it will be interesting to see what they do next. At least its sounds leagues more interesting than anything from Star Wars or MCU.

@djmajor1597

6 ай бұрын

I feel Prometheus and Covenant made the lore a mess. It was fine between the first 3 films. Mystery is what made those films what they are. Not every question needs an answer. Prometheus tried to explain everything away in a glossy matter that just didn't fit the others well.

Prometheus and alien covenant cancelled from the lore... Great news! Now if only the Could do something about 3,4,5,6 and the rest .

@MattD402

6 ай бұрын

3,4,5,6 and the rest? There has only been 4 main Alien movies 6 if you count Prometheus and Covenant.

@shalindelta7

6 ай бұрын

​@@MattD402lol bro must've been high while texting

@Dd-fb2tj

6 ай бұрын

It's not cancelled form lore...the director didn't say that.

Ridley Scott never recognised the Cameron lore. He didn't accept the alien queen. And it showed in Covenant when he said that all the alien forms will be present. The unused script to Prometheus was also much better than the actual dumb movie itself. And then Covenant completely ruined whatever was left of that mess. Both interesting spins on the franchise's mythos, but they barely hit any right beat. I think Hawley is the right person to bring his own ideas onto the screen. Those first two seasons of Legion were some of Marvel's most underrated TV shows available. And the Shadow King was effing terrifying and one Marvel's best onscreen villains! I think Hawley can do this Alien series justice and I can't wait to see what he brings.

So, that bad-ass old fossil they found in the first movie can go back to being cool again? Perfect.

If this is indeed RECONED?! Hopefully this will help push Ridley to the sidelines more? So he has less of a strangle hold on it! 😊. It’s as if they can see how great the first two films where. Maybe the door to Neill BlomKamp’s Third proposed film, has open just a little. Once again?!… 🤔

Nice to hear good alien news for once

@shalindelta7

6 ай бұрын

I don't wanna hear any new Alien news ever, not in the world of today. It's my favorite movie ever and I'm sick of all these inferior products. It's doing nothing but putting a stain on the franchise. Soon enough it'll become as big a turd as Terminator.

Oh dear. I didn't expect them to know what they're doing tbh.

I feel you. What I think may happen is that the Engineers or any of the theories that developed from the first 2 films will remain while the prequel movies that destroyed the theories will be removed from context and canon, so that different or more original concepts can be visited. Like in the Dark Horse Alien Platinum comic origin where there are 2 different species of the aliens, orange and black, and a species who would have been similar to the Engineers takes some of these things to develop or use as weapons when something goes wrong eventually leading to the events of the first film. There are just way more practical and more interesting concepts to explore.

I’m actually Shock with this new I just didn’t expect this but I’m still hyped for this series.

@paulwoodford1984

6 ай бұрын

Hyped for a series controlled by disney. Wow. it will be mediocre.

@donavinrodriguez6288

6 ай бұрын

@@paulwoodford1984 Disney is behind it but not fully in charge just like how they not in Kingdom of the planet of the apes & Prey.

And 1 more thing. David did not create the xeno. He simply followed a recipe

Thank God. Prometheus’s anthropomorphic Engineers destroy the notion of the alien Space Jockey, enmeshed in his chair, permanently apart of it, deigned to serve a role that is equal part biology, and equal part mechanical. Biomechanoid. Prometheus should have been its own thing, unrelated to the Alien franchise at all.

The franchise is a complete mess. First the AvP movies were wiped from canon cus of Prometheus and Alien Covenant, now both Prometheus and Alien Covenant are wiped.

Good riddance. Not that I have any faith they'll come up with anything good.

@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203

6 ай бұрын

And that's why they should not listen to people like you. Never happy

As someone who hated both, I'm pretty pleased with this. Unfortunately, I'm not expecting the new stuff to be any better

@theColJessep

6 ай бұрын

Unlike Ridley Scott himself, the new director wants to make Alien a horror franchise again instead of exploring religious themes. Scott wanted to vastly expand the lore into a new direction but devalued the xenomorph by reducing it to an advanced bioweapon. Maybe there is hope, returning the franchise to its best two movies.

@PenaCartel

6 ай бұрын

@@theColJessep would love nothing more than for the franchise to return to top form. Just been so much damage done to both Alien and Predator that it's hard to believe they'll get it right

I like the look of the engineers and their general concept but they never reached a satisfactory level in those two movies. "Oh, they are called engineers! And they made this black goo to seed life and destroy life, I wonder where this will go!", 2nd film "Wha... they just die in a flashback? Oh."

They needed to cancel Aliens 3 and 4. Killing Michael’s character was ridiculous!

Awesome news those films sucked and ruined the Xenomorph.

I see this as a win. I prefer the idea that the Xenomorphs are millions of years old. The Engineers had potential, but I think it would have made more sense if they were at odds w/ the Xenomorphs and were trying to stop them before they wiped out all life, almost a Flood kind of aspect. Digging the retro-futuristic aesthetic too, that kind of limited tech, grimey feel adds to the tension

Were finally gonna get the Baby xenomorph show.

They were never in my canon in the first place. Everything after Alien 3 is fan-fiction to me. To accept in your head-canon that a human-made android created the creatures truly diminishes the creature's enigmatic nature and scariness, and it makes space feel much smaller in the alien universe. The first film created such a realistic feeling of the vastness and mystery of space - that it's huge, ancient, and potentially filled with life, much of which we would never want to encounter. Prometheus and Covenant remove that feeling.

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The advanced tech of the prequels compared to the original films can be explained by The Prometheus ship being a state of the art vanity project of a billionaire whereas Ripley's ship in Alien is a mining hauler manned by working class Joe's.

It’s a slap in the face to us fans who did enjoy both Prometheus and Covenant! 🤦‍♂️ if they are wiping this from canon wtf could they possibly introduce that’s any good?!

all I am looking for is a good movie that shows a back story of the alien and who made them and that space jockey that was seen dead in alien. nothing complex and crazy and religious that Prometheus and covenant showed. use what made alien and aliens good.

I always saw David as trying to recreate a weapon that the engineers had already perfected. Real Ferrari VS a Ferrari kit car. But it doesn't matter what the studios decide to do, because fans will be able to make whatever movies they want using AI generated characters before long.

Thumbnail is Krazy , I can imagine a horde of xenomorphs surrounding me and they pull out that board and I'll be like oh ... Let me find out for you guys lol

From what Noah is saying: keeping the aesthetic and technological state of the first 2 movies + bringing back a shroud of mystery behind the xeno - I’m sold!!!!

No cannon change for me - I had issues with the finale of Prometheus and most of Covenant but I came to adore Prometheus and Im starting to appreciate Covenant. That universe can be left intact and still have the LV 426 site be linked but treated separately. I want more of that lore - they can be separate worlds, there is a thousand year gap for Christ's sake (not intended pun but it works).The tech aesthetic is from a billionaires science ship, it's steve jobs in space - Ripley drove a truck.

Alien 3 should be wiped from canon too

I always thought Weyland corp wanted to capture the Alien to study it and use it in some way so it all doesnt add up that they were involved with its development.

Oh my god I love the artwork on the wall behind you!

While I thought Prometheus was good, and I never saw Alien: Covenant, I think the idea that the Alien was a recently made bio-weapon really got under my skin. I'm glad these two movies are being removed from canon. This allows the new TV series to make a clean go of it.

@kiloomelow4269

6 ай бұрын

I totally agree

@Alondro77

6 ай бұрын

I finally forced myself to watch SOME of "Covenant". I could NOT sit through it all. Every character was functionally brain-dead! The story was preposterously stupid! Not to mention it was agonizingly boring to boot. I was done at roughly 1/2 an hour.

@kiloomelow4269

6 ай бұрын

@Alondro77 yh..I watched it once and told myself I'll never watch that movie in my life again...and I'm a huge alien fan...

@heilong79

6 ай бұрын

Yeah it took away the vast feeling of beyond what we know a sort of cosmic horro that we can not understand and instead boiled it down to just something an android made, Nothing special.

@robertstalnaker5728

6 ай бұрын

U saved yourself a lot of grief. It was miserable. Bad effects. Disjointed storyline. Just bad

Thank you sweet baby Jesus

Thank FUCK! David creating the Xenomorph was the dumbest shit.

Thank god! Now if only Disney didn’t currently own the Alien and Predator franchises. Maybe Universal Pictures could buy 20th Century Studios at some point, or Disney will become desperate enough to sell it and all its properties back to The Fox Corporation and the Fox heirs!

Alien 3 next

They need to wipe out alien 3 and resurrection and continue with Hicks, Newt and Ripley still alive. Just like the novels and comic books which were ACE.

@jataviouswilliamson976

6 ай бұрын

Yes ❤️

Wonder why ppl cant get it through thier heads, David did not create the OG xenomorph,he just got close to the original wolf. So there is room to have 2 variants in the movies... we just havent seen the "prime" alien variant.

Sell Alien and Predator to Universal Pictures! Because screw Disney!

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Good. Prometheus and Covenant didn't add to the alien series in any positive way

@aaronrodriguez1410

5 ай бұрын

Lies

If this ends up like Alien Isolation the TV series, I'm down.

@Akm72

6 ай бұрын

One day I will find the balls to actually finish that game... but not this day.

Adored Prometheus, Covenant grew on me (Danny McBride and Katherine Waterson - what's not to love!).. They did Shaw dirty, so that pissed me off. But I own both and the art books.. That being said - I also think the "Space Jockey" lore is more intriguing and was a bit of a disconnect in Prometheus.. I can go both ways on it... but, being the Ridley purist that I am - retconning is stupid.. Its an easy fix though. David says - in his message to the company - the he discovered "ancient, forbidden" knowledge from the engineers - and used that for his experiments.... Couple that with the “natural” progression in Prometheus when the black goo is mixed with the human DNA (Charlie)and then impregnated into Shaw which becomes the Trilobite ->Engineer->Deacon.. That is the “natural” creation of the Alien.. But since it was mixed with Human DNA, the Deacon was a bit different… had it been an Engineer female impregnated with Black Goo modified DNA -> Modified Trilobite -> Engineer -> Proper Xenomorph. Just my $0.02..

YES! THANK GOODNESS!! Space Jockeys for the win. LOL!

I'm happy about this

So the tv show is ignoring the original creators canon and movies… total fucking hubris.

You can have both, ancient animal that the engineers find and try to turn it into a bio weapon. That could work

@ParkerCS2

6 ай бұрын

Yeah. That’s always been a headcanon of mine. The black goo is just a way for them to resurrect an extinct species that got wiped out, but it backfires for the Engineers which is why they abandoned the project.

Isn't Prometheus and Alien Covenant written by the original creator? I think Ridley Scott. I mean I get that it is not easy remembering all the stars and planets mentioned in previous incarnations but between the novels, comics, videogames, films, and such. Those last two really weren't liked.

@CoolGobyFish

6 ай бұрын

Scott was not the creator. He was just a director for hire

@lasskinn474

6 ай бұрын

sure but since scott didn't care if prometheus fit into the franchises timeline anyway it doesn't really matter - like prometheus can't work in the same universe as alien and aliens - you would have to alter those 2 movies lore so much that they might just not as well as anything more than a mad max legend in the universe of prometheus. prometheus doesn't fit the scale and worldbuilding of the 1 anyway, the years don't even fit unless there's some effing time anomaly from star trek.

@1984Brandon

6 ай бұрын

Oh I see @@CoolGobyFish I honestly haven't seen the original Alien 1,2, or 3 so I couldn't say I just know the basic plot of the storyline.

@1984Brandon

6 ай бұрын

@@lasskinn474 One thing still confounds me. Like Predators are an ancient advanced race of beings that follow a code of honor. Aliens takes place in the not to distant future, assuming that it just never came up until a face hugger chest burster and other mishaps on a cargo ship did nobody ever talk about it on Earth until then?

Thank the maker, now bring back Ripley for a cameo 🙏🏾 and no more cgi aliens, use the old props if you have to

I wish we could get the sequel to Covenant that ends the prequel trilogy, but oh well. Yes, I'm one of the few people that enjoyed Prometheus and Covenant (only issue I had with that one was them killing Shaw offscreen). I was also hoping we'd get more of the Deacon and Trilobytes too cause those creatures were really interesting.

First 3 movies. Fuck everything else. We need to recapture what made those distinctly ALIEN. Hoping we get a movie that fits the world they created back then.

The Aliens come from Xenomorph Prime. They like every other extraterrestrial species have a somewhat natural origin. But yeah, them just existing is more interesting and keeps the scare factor. The fear of the unknown benefits the Xenomorphs. Them coming from their own planet or planets makes sense.

@jataviouswilliamson976

6 ай бұрын

LV 426 & Xenomorph prime are my favorites Two ❤️

Alien 3 needs to be cancelled too

@jataviouswilliamson976

6 ай бұрын

No Alien resurrection in 1997 Needs To Be Cancelled instead of Alien 3

This is awesome news! The black goo wielding android was a terrible canon choice to begin with (and most likely more Damon Lindelof crap) . You also don't need to completely ignore Prometheus and Covenant to fix this, all you need to do is to explain that David was trying to uncover the progenitor species the goo was originally engineered from. So the black x files goo was born from the xenomorph rather than the other way around, and David's version was just the closest to the Big Chap he could get. This would explain the xenomorph mural in prometheus and the age of the eggs and space jockey in the derelict. Dark Horse had it right saying that the xenomorph evolved on a "hell class" planet and was uncontrollable when removed from its natural environment.

In the Billy/Wilks/Bueller stories, we got little vignettes of "casts" from Earth, the radio waves picked up years later and millions of miles away. Random, unconnected videos of survivors daily struggles and sometimes, their final moments, all shot against the backdrop of a completely infested world I ALWAYS wanted an Alien miniseries based around that concept.. an untapped goldmine imo.. unconnected stories that don't effect the lore or timelines in any way was the perfect direction to take the franchise Cheers Mr H ❤

This is great news.

I'm on the same page as Hawley here. It's nice to hear it read out loud!

I am thrilled to hear that they are decananizing Prometheus and going with the retro future aesthetic! Thank God.

I personally liked the engineers but the black goo and then Covenant really confused me. I was so excited to see Elizabeth Shaw and David go to the engineer home world with a Giger look to it. Obviously, we never got that.

@andreyzhuchkov1882

6 ай бұрын

yeah the covenant was a major disappoinment, hence this wiping out of the canon. Not to say that The Prometheus was a perfect movie. It was intriguing sometimes and irritating as well. And of course it angered the hardcore fans.

@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203

6 ай бұрын

@@andreyzhuchkov1882 hardcore fans are not fans. They only like Alien 2

@andreyzhuchkov1882

6 ай бұрын

@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 i would have thought that 'hardcore fans' were into the first one and the lore surrounding it like The Jockeys being crypric aliens (not these albinos in a space costume) and the second part being an acceptable deviation.

This is good news. Those two movies were terrible for alien lore anyways.