Took ages drawing the thumbnail... For the love of God leave a like... jk, imma sleep.

@SC-mm6vz

4 жыл бұрын

Plague of gripes collab? Plz great vid as always mark

@tastedivinefury2198

4 жыл бұрын

Totally Not Mark your art has improved so much damn

@Joltstor

4 жыл бұрын

Every time I hear the kazoo version of the ultra instinct theme, I bust out in tears.

@robinhyperlord9053

4 жыл бұрын

Three things wrong; "Flame wars" are a stupid term. Powet Levels are power scaling. Saitama is weak and overrated.

@davidflint9883

4 жыл бұрын

I just stared at that thumbnail for awhile the instant I saw it and thought (out load) "damn! That's amazing! I REALLY want that thumbnail!" Is there a way you can share that or sell it as a 1080p desktop background? I also want it on my wall with your other poster. I don't often 'like' KZread videos, but this is one of the few I want to leave a double like just for the thumbnail.

“What’s your power level?” “I don’t know; pretty big though” “Mine too!” “Neat!”

@MinscFromBaldursGate92

4 жыл бұрын

''And stop asking that! No one cares anymore!''

@ethanwinters1469

4 жыл бұрын

So powerleveling is dick measuring now?

@viscountrainbows6452

4 жыл бұрын

@@ethanwinters1469 heh... "now"😹

@pIayingwithmahwii

4 жыл бұрын

mine is way stronger then urs kidd

@lostinlucidity

4 жыл бұрын

"Yeah well I was like 20,000 as a sperm, so..."

Power levels themselves may not be Important, but power SCALING and consistency certainly are.

@Percival917

4 жыл бұрын

THIS.

@KyubiCloaks

4 жыл бұрын

Preeeach

@SSJfraz

4 жыл бұрын

Ultra Instinct Roshi disagrees.

@clickmaster3692

4 жыл бұрын

@@SSJfraz There is no ultra instinct roshi.

@clickmaster3692

4 жыл бұрын

@@uris3054 Stop it, get some help. It was similar to ulta instinct, it wasn't exactly it.

It always confused me when Roshi started fighting in Resurrection F, especially once they stopped being part of the main fighting team. I thought that humans were pretty much outclassed by aliens by the android saga, but then suddenly here comes Master Roshi kicking ass and all I could think was "where the fuck were you during Namek"?

@ZeroDividedByZero

Жыл бұрын

Power scaling to make the older characters somewhat relevant again and able to match up with modern characters, instead of retiring them for good, like what the Buu Saga essentially did. Lazy af

@marcierex4547

10 ай бұрын

Very easy they got stronger cause roshi does trains

@geothepoly

7 ай бұрын

In the DBS arc, it's explained that the new Frieza force is weak and pathetic compared to the Namek Saga one, but I still think there's some weird power scaling BS going on

4:22 "Remove that subtlety, and you get a scene like this!" (ad plays)

@Zacman1123

4 жыл бұрын

You too huh?

@LuckiSir

4 жыл бұрын

First time?

@afrodude4782

4 жыл бұрын

Lol this happened as I was reading your comment

I hate anime where the concept of power levels is broken its always like: Mc: I am the legendary wizard 🧙‍♂️ my power level is *8000* yours is *699* you cannot kill me 😒 Enemy: n-nani?!?!?! did you really think i only have *699* ? this is a fake!! *takes off magic item that conceals magic power* i have *17890!* 😎 Mc: w-wait what!? So that is your true power!? okay I suppose I shall release my true power too!😤 *35634* Enemy: what?!?! 🙉Impossible!😨 Okay If this is what it's come to I suppose I shall give you my all!! *Transforms into a demon* 👺 Mc: n-n-nani?!?!?! Y-you are the demon lord?!😱😱 I did not want to use this because i might destroy the whole world if i use this, but it turns out I have no choice! 🌠 *reveals forbidden ancient magic* Enemy: I knew you knew how to use that but did you really think you were the only one hiding an ancient technique ? *reveals his* i trained all my life because I knew this day would come so I learned how to do this *ultimate ancient forbidden jutsu* ☄️ Mc: w-what!? Jutsu?!?!?! Impressive! But I am hiding something more powerful than that! *Reveals legendary sacred holy sword* 🌟⚔️ The useless anime girl that always needs help from the mc: NOOOOOOOOO!😮😮😮😮 Then the whole concept of power levels get lost and the whole show becomes a loop of revealing secret powers..

@snaketheadversary6964

3 жыл бұрын

Nigga that was more entertaining than the video 😂😂😂 no cap

@randomzach2190

3 жыл бұрын

For real tho, this shit gets tiring.

@Horatio787

3 жыл бұрын

Painfully accurate.

@EMTeves

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball Z in a Nutshell

@burp9609

3 жыл бұрын

Just realized how cringe these dialogues are

I think power levels are the exact opposite of "show, don't tell" rather than illustrating strength by a fight or some other means, you're basically told the outcome of the fight before it happens. It's an easy shortcut to either have tension because a good guy is up against someone stronger. Or its there specifically to have Goku subvert the villain's expectations, or to have the villain show off some secret technique to get a power boost. I ultimately like the first Goku and Vegeta fight more, but I think not having a reference for how strong they are in the Buu saga is more or less intentional. We know both Vegeta and Goku have kept training, so its reasonable to assume the power gap between them is still roughly the same as it was before. The fight is to see which of them trained the hardest in the time since Cell was defeated. In the end, its later revealed Goku was holding back anyways, which cements his position as being above Vegeta after the fact. Maybe its sort of clumsy, but I think that's a simple way of showing someone's strength rather than telling. If we got hard readings on Goku's and Vegeta's abilities, then I think that whole sequence would've ultimately been pointless. I think its important that Vegeta has to believe that he can win. We don't need to have numbers dictating the outcome of fights and, more importantly, telling us how to feel before the fight even happens. Like you mentioned, during the Cell saga, scouters and power levels were thrown out the door, yet "how strong is everyone" isn't really a factor, since strength was shown by just how the fights went down and characters attitudes during the fight. And like you said, scouters and power levels were a narrative device thought up specifically to show the shortcomings of the villains in early DBZ. The whole idea of Raditz up to Freiza is that Goku and friends can push themselves way beyond their theoretical limits. So in a way, numerical power levels were introduced specifically to show that they're ultimately not important. What is important is just consistent writing and good context.

@cypher838

3 жыл бұрын

Power levels in dbz is like a really bad rpg. If a character has bigger numbers then they will instantly win.

@phoebusapollo8365

2 жыл бұрын

@@cypher838 not necessarily, finishing moves like the kamehameha or the Special Beam Canon increase your power level during the time you’re using the attack, allowing you to damage someone stronger than you. Techniques like the kaioken allowed Goku to go from 8000 to 24000 against Vegeta’s 18000. Transformations can range from 50x initial power level to hundreds to thousands the initial reading. The initial numbers are useful for scaling but they don’t always dictate the outcome, there are ways to increase it during the battle.

@KeDe1606

Жыл бұрын

As Mark said, for me the best application for power levels was when they basically just symbolized the enemy‘s cockiness. Aside from that, they can *help* set up a seemingly hopeless/underdog situation (eg. Nappa vs the Z Warriors) or *help* maintain consistency (negative example… most fights post Cell). When some minor character gets defeated or defeats someone nowadays, we don’t really care because we don’t know how strong either side is when compared to the main characters or even when compared to one another. Prime example would be the Z Warriors (and Roshi) vs Frieza‘s invading force in Resurrection F. Like, great, the Z Warriors took them down. Does that make them surprisingly strong or does that make Frieza‘s force insanely weak? Same can be said about a lot of fights in the T.O.P. arc. Even the Goku Black arc suffers from that issue. The Buu saga too. Or the newest arcs in the manga. It also hinders the significance of transformations imo. A lot of them just feel… hollow at this point. Like, remember what a momentous occasion the original SSJ transformation was? Now, compare that to something like Blue [Evolution]. No build-up, no pay-off, no way to compare it to the regular God transformation (sidenote: remember when the concept of *God Ki* was like this insane revelation? Now it‘s „just another form the saiyans can take“). All we know is „welp, I guess they’re stronger now“. Last thing. Man, remember when we were worried about Goku or Vegeta blowing up the planet… *during the Cell saga* ?! At this point, any rogue ki-blast should be a thread to the entire solar system! Moral of the story: Dragon Ball has gone on for too long. Let Goku die for crying out loud.

As Plague of Gripes put it, the other issue with power levels and all, is what we're seeing hasn't changed. The feats on screen are exactly the same. Once you get Vegeta's Final Flash shown being like a 7th the wide and diameter of the earth, scaling everything becomes impossible. The way Perfect Cell is stronger than Vegeta, is no different to the way Kid Buu is stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta. We don't see them do anything, other than beat the other guy up. You'd get no different visual information than if you brought in freaking Nappa. The first real shift to when you see a character do something visual to put them above the plain is Ultra Instinct. The first power Goku's had that directly changes how he fights and moves. And the thing I love is it isn't necessarily that he's "stronger" if he were, he wouldn't be dodging those hits. DB has always communicated "You're weaker than me now." By having character stand and just tank an attack and coming out unscathed. I guess Ultra Trunks vs Perfect Cell (these names are kinda absurd) was a similar thing, but it was more that Trunks was strong enough to really hurt Cell, but had rendered himself too slow to ever hit him.

@shintokurayami5134

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly when I first saw ultra instinct, I thought it was just a state of mind and not a transformation. From there I thought the fight between Goku and Jiren would shift to a somewhat similar fight between Cell and Trunks. Goku not being as strong as Jiren but through superior technique

@MinscFromBaldursGate92

3 жыл бұрын

So that's why Goku lost to Superman in Death Battle?

@bojansarkanjac983

3 жыл бұрын

@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 yes but also no, the whole thing is more complex than that but people try to simplify it, but it's not a simple matter

@sacredsteeler

3 жыл бұрын

Power levels died when Piccolo + Nail was able to give 2nd form Freeza a problem. Also when teenage Trunks was able to one shot Freeza + King Cold when he isn't even as strong as SSGoku

@jacobharris5894

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Yeah I don't reeeeally like powers levels, like I prefer interpreting someone's power than literally being told But it's a good way to make us scared of a villian

@DJ5780

4 жыл бұрын

Dragonball did it best

@bbearthefiend7443

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree. It’s a easy way to make ya scared of a villain. It’s has the same effect as a narrator saying that a character is stronger than another. We don’t really see anything. But if we get to see a character do something, then that’s a good way to make us scared of them. A good example of this is Tien, who manages to take out Roshi and brutalize Yamaha. We see him achieve things, and it makes us fear him and wonder if Goku can really handle him

@matthewcleary4685

4 жыл бұрын

@@bbearthefiend7443 yeah that's a very good point

@ReeceHoward06

4 жыл бұрын

@Gabriela Cano You can use both. The actions should back up the numbers.

@DJ5780

4 жыл бұрын

@Gabriela Cano It's been awhile since I've watched but there was more anticipation, tension, skill and even sense of danger in the fights and villains and the power differences weren't as stark or simple. The strength difference wasn't soley based on numbers. We were shown that they were dangerous not just told.

"Power Levels" are only 'required' because Shonen Anime writers are bad at expressing someone's strengths without hyper-literal explanations of them. This is mostly a restriction of the language, but it's also helpful shorthand to give viewers who may be new an idea as to why they should care about a threat. The problem isn't that they exist...it's that introducing them to Dragon Ball created this wild expectation amongst fans that they *meant* something, because Toriyama *never explicitly said they didn't.* He never came down with a scene showing that the numbers didn't matter, or that one's true potential cannot be properly gauged. He always had the scouters explode, or "people hiding their power", which gives less of the image that the numbers don't matter, and more the image that the numbers are so ridiculous that it's easier to explain via comedy than actual math.

@MrLachapell

4 жыл бұрын

The moment I saw characters reach 1 million in power level measures I finally understand they were bullshit

@lucasmiller8286

4 жыл бұрын

You are making sense, but I believe you're wrong. It's stated multiple times in DB that a character can hide his power level and that, as such, simply gauging them, be it by measuring their or using a scouter, is ineffective, making scouters and power levels virtually useless.

@dongxx

4 жыл бұрын

You just don't have enough imagination

@bonbondurjdr6553

4 жыл бұрын

@@lucasmiller8286 especially since power levels fluctuate during battle, with Goku gaining incredible speed for "nanoseconds" during his fight with the G. Force.

@lucasmiller8286

4 жыл бұрын

@@bonbondurjdr6553 Exactly, and I think that was the point Mark was trying to make during this video

"Remove that subtlety and you get a scene like thi-" *Ad plays*

I mean even back in z there was the issue of characters having to emphasize when a character had become stronger and faster than had been seen ever before because there is no visual way of getting it across. I honestly side with plague of gripes' view "the feats are the same" in the sense the series' power scaling has been a detriment to the power levels. This problem being brought to its pinnacle during the tournament of power when so much time is spent on the spectators worshiping the ground jiren stands on to really get across to the audience how much of a threat he was to goku and the universe 7 team such as the infamous " jirens so strong he transcends time" line.

@kataphrut7740

4 жыл бұрын

Shenanigans8 I’d argue the first fight with Jiren was actually a pretty good way of establishing the context Mark was talking about. It starts off with Goku going up through all his forms with each one progressively budging Jiren a little more until we get Blue which can make him move, and Kaioken which can stun him briefly. That’s a pretty effective way of establishing that nobody has any chance against him.

@Manganization

4 жыл бұрын

@@kataphrut7740 the anime might've been more hype, but the manga did it better, really.

@kataphrut7740

4 жыл бұрын

CursedUsername There was a Tournament of Power manga arc?

@stefanradebach2889

4 жыл бұрын

And yet he does nothing making the dialogue utterly pointless and stupid. All because Toriyama is too lazy to write anything more than a few notes which has caused many problems in Super.

@demyx0067

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think the last time I really found something interesting in Super was when Goku was fighting Hit. They should've done more with the fight, but Hit was leveling up his Time Skip by the course of the battle, and it still ended with Goku being so fast he literally bypassed Hit freezing time. This also means that after this point the characters were strong enough to break the universe, and faster than time itself... way too absurd, but still cool as hell. And then they ruined it by making it seem like everyone were basically at the same level

This guy literally teaches us, how to make a story...

@theizzoshow5180

4 жыл бұрын

novakast. Well he does his research. You could teach it too if you informed yourself the way he does, anyone could!

@ProdbyHway

4 жыл бұрын

I know I’m a video game developer and I like watching this for a story

@shiranuiaensland1442

4 жыл бұрын

There are multiple ways to make a story. He is sharing what he knows, which is different from the way many great storytellers did it. If "show, don't tell" is the absolute rule for quality writing, 12 Angry Men and The Breakfast Club would not be praised. Hell, even Doc Brown would be considered a terrible character especially in the first two BTTF movies.

@descendantofartorias2067

4 жыл бұрын

@@shiranuiaensland1442 that's because the only universal rule to writing is that rules exist to be broken. Rules like show don't tell, the heroes journey, and the three act structure are great for some stories but don't apply to every story.

@shiranuiaensland1442

4 жыл бұрын

@@descendantofartorias2067 Thus, there really are no rules despite what these "teachers" claim. Quality is all about the execution. Heroes must always be vulnerable in battle? Screw that, says Bruce Lee. Villains who only want money are nothing special? Hans Gruber says hello. If anything, following rules often leads to unoriginality.

I love how every time he mentions the Buu Saga, it's always that same picture.

OHHH MAN that little Sparta Remix of Vegeta just hit me with nostalgia.

@Jayjay_07

4 жыл бұрын

Just scrolling through the comments to read this

Jiren: My power level is the biggest, you will not defeat me simpleton. Goku: You fool, you may not realice it, but my power level is even bigger than yours now! Jiren: Impossible, it seems i have lost.

@felipe_drawmania1604

4 жыл бұрын

@3rd Way I think Sonic got there first.

@user-tm9ct2ej4h

4 жыл бұрын

@3rd Way power of trust*

@clickmaster3692

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-tm9ct2ej4h I think its teamwork

@returnofhorusthegalacticor9704

4 жыл бұрын

@3rd Way krillin dies* goku achieves the legendary transformation of his race*

@3rdwavemedia906

4 жыл бұрын

Retùrn of Horus the galactic order well in his defense it was more out of pure rage for said friend and being tired of friezas shit. More than the power of friendship itself.

Mark, please, I can't sleep at night, my family is starving. I need to know: What is the unit of measurement in a power level? Over 900 what? What is one unit of power level called? What creature, if any, represents a power level of 1? Please, my family won't talk to me anymore.

@MrAssChapman

4 жыл бұрын

Watts

@yunaka_gaming

4 жыл бұрын

"Yes"

@tasanokiranoko881

4 жыл бұрын

Raditz. They're units of Raditz.

@joeylumer1037

4 жыл бұрын

ARareBeast I’m pretty sure Turtle has a power level of 1 or 0.

@elcalabozodelandroide2

4 жыл бұрын

Lil cal

The interpretation of power levels are extremely important and cannot be disputed. The execution of such is where all the critiques come from.

Somewhere PlagueOfGripes is having a conniption fit. "HIS NUMBER IS JUST SOOOO BIG. AAAAAAAAA"

1:37 - "Creating a very easy to understand dynamic" Me, an intellectual: Heh..dynamek

If Power Levels were consistent enough to keep up with the stories growth of power, then I would say that it would have been interesting to see the gauge of Goku's level skyrocketing after training in the Time Chamber. Or when a character is a measly PL of 5 but once serious, skyrockets past the millions within a second. The only way power was to ever be understood was through the feats and transformations the character's got, E.g. Goku, at the end of the Buu Saga, his Base Form alone was considerably stronger than the Whole of the Frieza and Android Arc. Or when Copy Vegeta who was stated to be Vegeta in power took a kick from SS3 Gotenks like it was nothing. If they displayed the power levels in a way that made them interesting to the viewer, then I would see them being a unique power gauge for the series. E.g. Goku is exhausted from battle and can't transform at all, the enemy still at full strength out levels him by millions. At the last second, he gets a senzu bean and eats it. the Gauge updates to a power level that surpasses the enemy unfathomably then a bonus add on from his natural Zenkai Boosts. It would show a better progression of how PL's could be represented.

@sawkchalk6966

4 жыл бұрын

I think what's more interesting than power levels is power scaling. Having a number to quantify a characters power is pretty dumb but comparing feats is a pretty useful metric for where people stand. My Hero Academia does this really well because it has a really solid power ceiling in the form of All-Might. Deku using literal percentages of All-Might's power makes it easy to figure out how strong villains and allies alike are

@drnebulae7578

4 жыл бұрын

@@sawkchalk6966 Yeah I agree with what you're saying, the percentage per boost makes the power levelling easier to understand especially for powerscaling purposes.

@user-gk6nt5gi5n

4 жыл бұрын

if power levels didn't spike so much and whos gonna win isn't determine by who had the higher number then maybe then I would care about them

@hawshimagical

4 жыл бұрын

life is hard being a gotenks fan

@CerealExperimentsMizuki

4 жыл бұрын

They surpassed the Millions of Power Level after the Freeza Saga, although there's no actual power levels after the Freeza Saga that doesn't mean that their power levels will becomes stagnant, nowadays their power levels would be in the Quadquaginagintillions or some absurdly high as ridiculous number that it probably wouldn't even matter anymore.

Totally not Mark: Power Levels are important. Dragon Ball Comunity: No, no he's got point...

@saawal7864

4 жыл бұрын

power levels are important broly with plot armor: yes but actually no

@mrturtletail3945

4 жыл бұрын

That's Mark for you. Guy is really good at dissecting a form of media and looking at it from all angles.

@ZeothTheHedgehog

4 жыл бұрын

@@saawal7864 is really that hard to believe broly going form weaker than ssj vegeta to stronger to ssjg vegeta? At birth broly when stressed was 3 times nappa and that's him being stressed now imagine him being angry. Broly being stronger than ssjg vegeta after getting angry makes sense to me just as much as gohan being way weaker than everyone when raditz show up but then getting angry and damaging him.

@saawal7864

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZeothTheHedgehog well getting angry and jumping your power level directly from a regular supersaiyan to super saiyan god does not make any sense. gohan had his poer level grow 100 times his normal powerlevel when he got angry against raditz. but broly powerlevel grow way more than that maybe 100000times(since i do not know the powerlevel of ss god).

@christiancinnabars1402

4 жыл бұрын

Theincredible Growing your power level by millions of times in a short period isn't unheard of in the DBverse. The Androids presumably went from a pl of 5 to well over 150,000,000 over the course of maybe a few days due to Gero. Cell also grew rapidly in pl when he was a larvae, although at a pace of a few years instead of days. Basically, power levels in Dragon Ball aren't as static as people expect them to be. Raising one's power level has always been limited by the tools the character has, not the time to actually do it(for example, compare Goku training with God for three years with Goku getting over 10x stronger by training in 100x gravity). Even then, Broly only grew to ~SSJ level of strength(with Vegeta having the upper hand) in their fight, with his Fury form carrying him the rest of the way to eventually become ~Blue level.

“You can’t depend on mere calculation to understand Sayan” SSJ Vegeta victory quote from FighterZ They’re important, but not essential, at least for me

I truly love that you incorporate writing terminology and techniques into your videos. As a rider myself, and a growing one at that, I find it to be very educational

In short terms: Power levels as a NUMERICAL SYSTEM is pointless, but Power levels in as a SCALE system is. Which i think was pretty much a joke after Freezer. After the Namek Saga, almost every character can blow up the earth if they even think about it, the whole point of Freezer was that he could blow them up with one finger, but by the android arc and so on, they still fight like nothing changed. This is why the BoG arc in Super is actually underrated for me, cause that's where they establish that Goku and Beerus are so strong that their own pressence can destroy the whole universe

@nicholasfitzgerald585

4 жыл бұрын

And then the following arcs it goes back to normal

@TheHylden

4 жыл бұрын

By the Cell arc, he declares against Gohan that his kamehameha can blow up the entire solar system. In the Buu arc(s), Super Buu can rip apart the dimensions with his power and his voice, so can Gotenks at Super Saiyan 3, so there are those nuggets telling us just how much stronger they've gotten.

@NASTAR01

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasfitzgerald585 The ToP take place in the Null Realm because the Grand Minister knew it was the only logical place to have such an amass of power unleashed at once; even building the stage out of the strongest material in the multiverse. Of course, there's also Jiren and Goku shaking the 'entire' realm.

@lancevance6346

4 жыл бұрын

Power levels weren't all that relevant. But power scaling definitely was. It made the difference between your character blowing a hole through someone's chest vs getting your punches completely stonewalled . Like Vegeta vs 2nd for Cell and Perfect Cell. Clear distinction in strength that we can tangibly see. Not like the free for all we have now where anybody can keep up with anybody. We've always wondered transformations are getting out of hand but Super actually officially made them irrelevant when people who'd die to a flick from Raditz in saiyan saga can now survive in ToP .

@moonsmonsters

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasfitzgerald585 yep lol

The importance of the curse...the saiyan curse...

@chefinabottle

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@dongxx

4 жыл бұрын

Not the curse.....lol

@doubledio3061

4 жыл бұрын

Man I feel bad for that chick . Horrible vid , absolute garbo, but did she deserve to get canceled over it ?

@dongxx

4 жыл бұрын

@@doubledio3061 yeah

@thaisennj9781

4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Huynh hell yeah she was spitting NONSENSE LMFAO

Power lvls? I don't know, probably not. But power scaling? Yes, that is very important

@tastedivinefury2198

4 жыл бұрын

The Ace ye

@alexanderst.7993

4 жыл бұрын

Looks at Super...

@lancevance6346

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderst.7993 Lol, people who'd have died to a flick of the finger by Raditz and did jackshit to help in Cell,Buu saga because of that ,now competing in ToP against gods.Like....OK. xD

@byronstone386

4 жыл бұрын

@@lancevance6346 Everytime I saw master roshi fighting in DBS ,it never sat right with my spirit. Like...they made a whole comedic point about yamcha being useless to them but tbh yamcha should be several times stronger than roshi.

@3rdwavemedia906

4 жыл бұрын

Byron Berlitz facts!!! It’s like akira wanted to turn Yamcha into a gag character more than a serious fighter. Then why carry on his character from dragonball anyways.

I think that everyone agrees that understanding a character's abilities and comparative standing to their peers is undoubtedly important. I however think the problem people have with power levels is not what what they represent, but rather that they represent it poorly. as Mark pointed out, in the earlier sagas, the same conclusions can be drawn from the circumstances and context of each scene, with the actual power level just serving as shorthand. and while the scouters and the shortcoming of the user they imply are interesting, the numerical system they introduced really made things much more cumbersome down the road... a neat thing added with fairly litter regard for their later implications... a common thing in Dragon Ball

Mark's videos have been helping me alot on how to write, either through his own words or by an author he introduces, like K.M Weiland. Although it's via novel writing, not having the visual aid manga and anime have to help me, lessons like proper character arcs and "Show, don't tell", have been things that I've been trying to implement as cornerstones of my writing. So thank you, Mark and I hope I can learn more from your videos.

@4as

4 жыл бұрын

"Mark's videos have been helping me alot on how to write" "alot" You sure about that?

@3slicessenpai

4 жыл бұрын

@@4as Geez, why do you have to narc me out like that XD

@MinscFromBaldursGate92

4 жыл бұрын

What about western comics?

@jp3813

4 жыл бұрын

Here's a great example of "Tell, don't show" from Jaws: "Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side, Chief. We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte, just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in twelve minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. Thirteen-footer. You know how you know that when you're in the water, Chief? You tell by lookin' from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn't know... was our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. Heh. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. Y'know, it's... kinda like ol' squares in a battle like, uh, you see in a calendar, like the Battle of Waterloo, and the idea was, shark comes to the nearest man and that man, he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin', and sometimes the shark'd go away... sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y'know the thing about a shark, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'... until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then... oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces. Y'know, by the end of that first dawn... lost a hundred men. I dunno how many sharks. Maybe a thousand. I dunno how many men, they averaged six an hour. On Thursday mornin', Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland- baseball player, boatswain's mate. I thought he was asleep, reached over to wake him up... bobbed up and down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well... he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us, he swung in low and he saw us. Young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and come in low and three hours later, a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. Y'know, that was the time I was most frightened, waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a life jacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water, three hundred sixteen men come out, and the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway... we delivered the bomb."

@dmas7749

4 жыл бұрын

i knew about stuff like show don't tell, but the goku vid made me more comfortable with having characters with static arcs instead of dynamic ones

I am not kidding when i am saying that this is the best db thumbnail i've ever seen! Do you think u can give us a link to download it?

@evanlight671

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like ultra instinct with flakes of white fire coming off of him

@LjuboCupic1912

4 жыл бұрын

Dragoseala the craziest thing is, he drew the thumbnail himself, this man has a crazy amount of dedication

Man I flipping love your channel bro I don't even remember the first video I watched but all I remember is being enticed by how tight your writing was and how you can make any subject you're talking about intriguing I think Beyond your pen it's also your passion which shines through and makes every video so much more entertaining thank you

I want to say...I LOVE your videos. It is insanely refreshing to hear views from someone who truly and actually seems to understand the purpose of plot and consistency. Almost anytime I try to have a conversation with someone about consistency in a show (or the internal logic), the literal first thing out of their mouth is almost always something very similar to, "it's fiction; it doesn't matter; none of it has to make sense..." To which...I am just baffled. Either they are simply trying to be argumentative...or they have no idea what they are talking about. Anyway. Thank you. I love your channel, I subscribe, you are great!!

I think one thing you forgot to mention is that Yamcha in many ways was the early scouter. In his first encounter with Goku, he beats him and then proceeds to be beaten in all future encounters to establish how much of a threat the current villain they are facing is. This ends up with the unfortunate side effect of the viewers believing Yamcha to be horribly pathetic but does the job of establishing the next villain.

When I first experienced Dragon Ball Z and they introduced power levels, the most important thing that i felt they introduced was to show how badly Freeza's army was equipped. That with all their Galactic technology, they didn't have computers capable of counting to 25,000 without exploding.

Every bleep when you said GT was a smile out of me

"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his power level?" "It's... it's... 1006..."

@prismssj8532

4 жыл бұрын

It's over 9000

@marsella527

4 жыл бұрын

@@prismssj8532 go watch the DBZA joke, then we can talk

@jeffsomk9069

4 жыл бұрын

"Wait really?" "Yea" *gets absolutely obliterated* "I had the scouter upside down..."

@prismssj8532

4 жыл бұрын

@@marsella527 Just gonna say one thing I had a comment b4 that

@sketchydude8431

4 жыл бұрын

"WHA- wait, really?"

One Punch Man is really good at being consistent with peoples power. Just another reason to love that manga

@loveonepieceforever8203

4 жыл бұрын

I have MANY reasons I hate OPM manga

@fireblaze1580

4 жыл бұрын

Mitchell Kies Would you care to elaborate on why you hate it? I’m genuinely curious!

@robinhyperlord9053

4 жыл бұрын

Saitama is weak.

@fireblaze1580

4 жыл бұрын

Robin Hyperlord Well the “bin” in Robin is the WEAK syllable. The stress should go on the “Ro” when you pronounce it.

@robinhyperlord9053

4 жыл бұрын

@@fireblaze1580 Tad agreed.

Can you do a story breakdown of OG dragon ball like you did for GT

Honestly dude, I watch your videos religiously, I can see the amount of hard work and effort you put in, and as someone who simply enjoys your videos I don't think I can ever truly understand how much work you put in but I can definitely say that your work is amazing. YOU ARE DOPE and imma keep watching, no matter what you put out. YOU ARE AWESOME BRO!!!!!!

This is an aspect of Bleach that I appreciated, especially in the early arcs. It was more about how your techniques/fight style and other factors matched up with your opponent as opposed to...my ki makes a screen say a higher number than you so I win.

TNM 2020: I don’t really like the Goku V Vegeta rematch in the Buu Saga TNM when rewriting the Buu Saga: This fight is a masterpiece and needs to happen

@AndreTwistWorld

4 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering if Mark is gonna acknowledge this obvious gapping hole in the consistency of his rhetoric

@jaydenc367

4 жыл бұрын

@The Great Carrotman not a bad fight...but I really prefer the first fight especially since the first one was arguably one of the most important in the series

@Zacman1123

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaydenc367 I'm the opposite. I find the first fight boring.

@jaydenc367

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zacman1123 really?huh

@Jayjay_07

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zacman1123 How? Why? To me it is the best fight in all of the series

One could easily argue that not having the subtext right there in front of you makes a fight far more interesting. Goku's been training for 7 years how strong is he? The same goes for vegeta after getting one of the of the most iconic power ups in the series. There's so many ways the actual fight can play out and we the audience get to watch with anticipation that isn't the same with a ton of subtext. To me, asking the question of who is going to win between the two titans during the battle they then get framed as being relative to each other has me sitting on the edge of my seat to see who inches forward more to get the edge. Sometimes less is more, and I don't need to know goku is the underdog fighting the the latest villian of the week to get excited. This is why I'm saying I prefer the 2nd vegeta goku fight. Never mind the fact the 2nd fight had objectively more character development and emotion behind it.

For me, it's not just that characters are stronger, or even the numbers themselves. It's how fast those numbers got ridiculous. You go from 300-something with Raditz to something like 20,000 a year later? Then 200,000 to over 1 million in the span of what I'm assuming was a couple days at most? The next bad guy can still be a threat without making a straight up mockery of the last guy.

God mark you’ve outdone yourself now. Absolutely loved the video, lowkey been waiting for this video for a long time

This is why I adore stuff like Stands or Quirks or Jutsus as well as just basic strategy or cleverness. It's not about pure strength or energy. Sure, stamina and actual physical strength matter, but unique abilities let characters think "Hmm, well, I have this talent. My opponent has that talent. By what creative method can I use my talent to outdo theirs?"

Wowie! I’ve never been here so quickly, I really like your content, dude! Also that drawing in the thumbnail looks spectacular!

@Hammerheadcomedy

4 жыл бұрын

He draws a lot of his own thumbnails, dudes actually pretty hype, everything he puts out is solid, entertaining, and teaches you something you didnt know

@kekshrekmcgee5104

4 жыл бұрын

Bear Farmer Oh I know, I just wanted him to hear my compliment

Dude i just love your videos. Keep up the good work !!!

This video was so informative. It has gotten me thinking about the story that my colleague and I are working on; as I hope that we made it consistent enough.

My problem with power levels in DBZ was the exponential escalation, they started off well stating an average Joe was around 10 and our heroes being in the high hundreds but everything after ">9000" just got silly and when 2nd for Freezy boi announced his power was over 1million they broke it. Had they paced themselves and not given in to "more is more" power levels would have lasted a lot longer as a nice fun form of measurement

The way you censored GT caught me off guard I love it.

I’m happy I found this channel a couple days ago. Excellent content! Much love!

Amazing video I love all of your work keep it up

Imagine...reaching the level of god hood. Than going beyond that and losing to a gray namekian wannabe

I like how they do power levels in One Piece, bounties. If you have a low bounty, you aren't necessarily weak, just unknown. But for those with insane bounties, like yonkos, it tells us the fans what to expect with how strong they are.

@PikaPenny17

4 ай бұрын

And as show by God Ussop, it's perfectly possible for someone to be relatively weak while having a high bounty.

Another great one like always!!

Nice video! I really love your stuff, from your drawing to comentary. Keep up the good work, also I would like to see the work that goes into making thumbnails!

A couple of interesting subversions of the power levels come to mind. During the brief Trunks vs Perfect Cell fight, it's pretty clear that Trunks is signifigantly stronger than Vegeta, and possibly stronger than Cell at that point, but in doing that, Trunks was bulked up and became too slow to land a hit. His power level may have been high, but speed was an issue that he couldn't overcome. Stamina also becomes a factor over power in a lot of fights, most notably the Androids' unlimited stamina, so long as they can handle the damage, and both of the Freeza vs Goku fights (Namek and Resurrection F) where Freeza is visibly tired while Goku can easily keep going. It's also interesting to see how the non-Saiyan characters seem to rely more on technique than power. The Kienzan, Taiyoken, and even Yamcha's Sokidan are all ways to fight when you can't keep up with raw strength. Even Piccolo's Makkankosappo works as a piercing attack rather than a wave of energy and shows to be effective against Raditz, who at the time was stronger than him.

@dylancross1039

4 жыл бұрын

The "increased muscle reduces speed" is an anime trope that needs to fucking die. Increased muscle means you can put more power into your movements, making you able to move FASTER. Not slower.

@saiyaddanapudi9216

4 жыл бұрын

@@dylancross1039 not if you're flying

@JSHADOWM

3 жыл бұрын

@@dylancross1039 Increased muscle mass would make you quicker, but the problem is that when trunks goes Maximum Oversaiyan, muscle definition is PEAK. he is fighting dehydrated.

@phoebusapollo8365

2 жыл бұрын

@@saiyaddanapudi9216 especially if you’re flying, you use energy to fly, you gained energy and bulked up, ergo, you can use more energy and fly faster, not slower, I can see him losing agility and combat speed, but his travel speed should be off the charts, since he uses energy at this point and the power gain should negate and take priority over a gain of like 200 pounds of muscle.

That intro made me feel like i was 10 years old again and brought back so many memories

You made a fantastic point here in that scouters told you about the enemy and their perspective, and the importance of having them blow up in their faces. Power level readings definitely had their uses.

Thanks for the great video. I could listen to you talk about Dragon Ball for hours on end.

Plague of gripes is having a heart attack rn

@CrapMyHat

4 жыл бұрын

His Gohan video and his rewrite of the end of the Cell Saga is legendary. His degenerate furry art may turn people off from visiting his channel, but that video essay is worth listening to if you're a Dragon Ball fan.

@dath1886

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrapMyHat His DragonBall Videos are some of my all time favorite yt videos. I can re-watch them a million times and never get bored.

@doctordoom85

4 жыл бұрын

Doubt it, I think his points still stand. Heck, I think there's even more power-level inconsistencies in the series than even POG mentioned, and I really wish more people would acknowledge that the in the actual manga SSJ is not emotion-based, it only happens with Goku's SSJ1 and Gohan's SSJ2, all the other SSJ emotion-triggers in the anime were made up and not in the manga.

@doctordoom85

4 жыл бұрын

@Shaman Xeed Nah, the anime made up the SSJ1 scenes with Vegeta and the rocks in space, and Gohan having that moment in the hyperbolic time chamber.

@doctordoom85

4 жыл бұрын

@jesus barrera The SSJ1 Gohan scene was added for the anime. Unless I'm remembering wrong, it wasn't in the manga, Gohan just simply walks out of the HTC with Goku both at SSJ1. I think Future Trunks' emotion scene was also anime-only, but I'm less sure about that. Also, Goten never had an emotion scene, he simply shows us he could do it while sparring with Chi-Chi and that's it.

Are we going to talk about that thumbnail? Holy crap..

@astraldirectrix

4 жыл бұрын

It’s fucking beautiful, right?

@tastedivinefury2198

4 жыл бұрын

Yvar Jansen ikr

@Daviyah_yisrael

4 жыл бұрын

That thumbnail is bodacious

You cracked me up every time you censored GT. But this was a great video man. It kind of erked me that you only provided a Yes or No choice on Twitter, because the answer is as you described in the video. The number isn't important, but the context it provides is.

That was a really good way to put into words the problems with later DB that I didn’t even know I had

"Power levels are bullshit" - Vegeta, TFS

Here's my problem with Power Levels, they dominate the fandom conversation. Every hypothetical situation became about Power Levels, you couldn't like Krillin and want more Krillin in the plot because "hIs PoWeR lEvEl Is ToO wEaK." Questions and discussions of character-driven plots became dominated by Numerical values. Whole characters were written off because of numbers. Getting away from Power Levels made the show more interesting, focusing instead on the variety of characters and how they fought as opposed to "ThIs ChArAcTeR hAs BIG NUMBAHS tHeReFoUr dEy WiN!"

@DBMusicEX

2 жыл бұрын

That's one thing I hate about power levels, is that it often leads to people ONLY caring about a character because they're "strong". Shallow reasons to prefer certain characters over others is such bs imo.

@SpaceEmperorGenos

2 жыл бұрын

I thought you were going in a direction of 'people shouldn't have casual discussion of vs scenarios using power levels', i was about to be upset lol I find it fun putting power levels together with my friend while we're grinding dbz games on roblox together, it's a good time waster to describe to each other how hilariously LSSJ Broly would spank Perfect Cell

@Beatyofeet32

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that's a problem with power levels, though. It's more so a problem with the writing allowing a small subset of characters rise several tiers above other alleged main or strong support characters. It would be fine if the bulk of the content wasn't based around fighting, but when it is, you need to take better care not to leave those characters behind. But DB did just that simply because Goku and Vegeta are so popular. They ruined their own product because of numbers not associated with power, but with money.

@marcierex4547

10 ай бұрын

Nah I just love big numbers and buff men fighting so power lvls and buff men fighting are peak

@marcierex4547

10 ай бұрын

​@@DBMusicEXnah roshi is big buff man so he is peak

This is an incredibly made video,kudos to you.

I'm totally in love with the thumbnail, such an cool artstyle

I was NOT expecting that Sparta Remix

It blows my mind how some people think every transformation has the same power. Like "a SSJ3 is always stronger than a SSJ2" when in fact if the base form of the individual is big enough this is not the case at all! SSJ2 Vegeta this point in the series is WAY stronger than SSJ3 Goten, Trunks or even Gotenks could ever be.

@danielijust8776

4 жыл бұрын

I never heard a dbz Fan say that

@youssefalami9736

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielijust8776 trust me they're a lot

@user-fy1nq3nf1q

4 жыл бұрын

Tho ssj3 gotenks is probably higher than ssj2 vegeta anyway cus theyre super prodogies or whatever

@sonicjr53

4 жыл бұрын

True. Though announcing number values throws a big wrench into that determination. Especially with fusion involved. Battle of Gods Vegeta landing a hit on Beerus was especially ......weird after SSJ3 Goku couldn't.

@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093

4 жыл бұрын

I mean that's mainly just because God ki got added to his base. Not like it really matters though train for like a week and you'll catch up if the author wants you too

I like the ki sensing approach to powerlevels, and the fact that they add the masking or suppressing or holding back facet to them, plus it seems like an organic ability that warriors of certain calibres should have.

I appreciate you. I appreciate how much you love this show and how you break them down. Thanks

I always felt like the scouters exploding was more of an illustration of how high someones power level was rather than the power level not being important. The only time where power levels seemed to be irrelevant was when the Earthlings, Vegeta, and even Frieza started to hide their true power. This allowed the enemy to be caught off guard via deception more than it being the actual ineptitude of a scouter. Yes scouters seemed to be a waste of time in these instances because the characters chose to hide their power, however the scouters never seemed to be wrong once that power was unleashed. On this token I'd also point out that in DragonBall Z there has never been an instance where someone with an immeasurable or ridiculously high power level had ever been beaten by someone without one. To say that scouters and power levels didn't matter would mean that someone with a less impressive power level reading at their full capacity could triumph over someone with a greater power level reading at their full capacity, and this almost never happens. Whether it happens later in the fight or the beginning, for one character to win over another, their power level will always exceed the others. If the characters started to beat each other based off of pure technique or skill then that would be a different story, however due to DBZ's major flaw which is escalation, it always takes an even more overwhelming power or at the very least team work to beat a more powerful adversary. To wrap up my point, power levels were never shown to be inaccurate, I just think that between the Z Fighters eventually becoming these overpowered one man armies and in duality, having the ability to mask that immeasurable power, made the idea of a scouter and a calculated power level to be both irrelevant on one end and impossible on the other.

Dragon ball super : When a furry Is on par with a god.

@youssefalami9736

4 жыл бұрын

Is*

@herogokuson5718

4 жыл бұрын

@@youssefalami9736 happy? Haha

@youssefalami9736

4 жыл бұрын

@@herogokuson5718 it's ok I am just kidding lol

@afro4640

4 жыл бұрын

And that god is also a furry.

@tastedivinefury2198

4 жыл бұрын

hero gokuson when the god is a furry

All creators need to see this. Subtext is so very important to a good anime/manga

i love it when you are saying "GT" it starts beeping

Why is GT being bleeped? Edit: really enjoyed this, just curious about this one point

@fireblaze1580

4 жыл бұрын

Ciel King-Williams Probably because it is hilarious!

@slejszer5100

4 жыл бұрын

To understand the joke more watch his db GT review

@mohammadmehmood3092

4 жыл бұрын

Cuz he died 4 times reviewing the series.

@superexclusive452

4 жыл бұрын

Cause the show sucked

@Yodasbrother3

4 жыл бұрын

@@mohammadmehmood3092 lmaoooo

Not only did he use a clip from one piece, he also used the one that couldn't be figured out with prior knowledge

...Hadn't a clue how you could possibly make this rather ancient topic interesting. What more was there to contribute to it??? ....A little over 15 minutes later, here we are. Happy as a Saiyan with a yet another Zenkai Boost that we experienced this video. Thank you...Good job!

Great vid TNM! I'm probably the only person that misses the spartan remix meme lol

Wait? DBZ has a story? Oh, I miss the old DB, where Dragon Balls were actually the focus of the show and it was an adventure.

@nathanwalker6284

4 жыл бұрын

No shit sherlock.

@Wlof25

3 жыл бұрын

@stans brother Read what I wrote ".... where Dragon Balls were actually the focus of the show and it was an adventure." And you are proving my point. DBs in Z are there just to revive death characters. It is a secondary thing, like senzu beans.

@Wlof25

3 жыл бұрын

@Tarantula On Your Screen I don't know what you mean by first bit and second half. Tournaments were there from the start and fighting, but DBs always moved the adventure further. Pilaf, Red Ribbon, old Piccolo, etc. They all searched for DBs for their own agendas, and our scooby gang either tried to prevent them or revive their fallen friends. And in doing so they explored the world, met new friends and enemies, etc.

@Wlof25

3 жыл бұрын

@Tarantula On Your Screen That's not correct. The general story was always dealing with the new oncoming threats, but the big difference is that those upcoming threats were related to DBs or in is done in the meantime until DBs become available again. Yes. Namek saga is the closest Z is to DB, because the series is still fresh and they are trying with the old formula. But it is silly to say that DB at some point becomes like Z. Problem with the Z is that they started going with power levels and greater than life characters where one can fart and destroy part of a galaxy. I started watching GT where they tried to blend the two but it was so ridiculous that I didn't continue and I never watched, nor I ever plant to watch, Super, because I don't give a shit about more hair colors, or even more overpowered characters.

@Wlof25

3 жыл бұрын

@Tarantula On Your Screen We never disused explicitly about Super anyway, so you are missing the mountain of the point of this thread.

“I'm either going insane, or POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSH*IT!”

You have truly become my favorite db youtuber

This is a great video to revisit after viewing your Goku Black review.

I love how he refuses to say GT, and just bleeps it every time

@Sougin_0

3 жыл бұрын

@bacon boy ...

Are power levels important? Well yes, but actually no Well actually..let me explain.. :v

Huh, putting this together, I think I finally get some of what drew me to Dragonball Z despite really never wanting to get into it. Thank you!

Mark, from my perspective your analysis seems very educated and shows sign of research and not just experience and critical watching. What resources would you reccomend for someone interested but new to narrative design.

I have a challenge for you Mark: You recreated the buu saga already, I wonder if it'd be fun for you to try rewriting the T.O.P arc in Super and make Jiren actually interesting from the very beginning. ps. love your stuff youre an inspiration to artists everywhere

I don’t think power levels are that important, but constant power scaling is.

Really interesting video! I think power levels are to shonen what magic systems are to fantasy literary books. If you have a show with a strict power level system (such as I think DBZ was supposed to be), then the power levels need to be consistent and handled rigorously or every fight doesn't make sense anymore. However, if you have a show with loose power systems, where the power is not measured in numbers, then trying to power scale people becomes much more arbitrary and, while fun to do, is not needed to make sense of encounters.

I cannot stress enough for you to watch hyourinjutsu's animations they are a) amazingly animated and b) make complete sense as to why each conflict is happening or if it doesn't its the little thing that will nag the back of your head. Like freiza and vegeta super sayian. But it still works. Please mark i BEG you to watch some of them. At least the gt and super manga fight

The part where base kid GT Goku was able to hold Omega Shenron's negative energy ball, you mistook that for being lazy writing probably because its a popular trend to immediately look down on GT, but if you pay more attention to this scene you realize it is far more intelligent than you could've ever expected and that its completely intentional and planned as Goku was speaking to Shenron asking him for one last wish to give him the power to beat Omega shenron promising never to use the dragonballs again, which is why Goku somehow survived the blast and became completely impervious to all Omega's attacks despite only being in his base form, shenron later emerged from the dragon balls to remind Goku of the promise he made and Goku suddenly is able to travel to anywhere in the universe even places like hell which he previously could not access without a portal opened from inside and outside it, this is because Goku merged with Shenron and took on a new responsibility to actually become the dragon of the balls, which is why 100 years later he is summoned from the balls by his great great grandson, at the end of GT Goku reached a level far greater than any level he has ever been depicted since, unlike in super, Goku at the end of GT is a real god by the true sense of the word, he became immortal and transcends physical location, ultimately GT was the truest ending to all of dragonball as it ended with the young boy who's life was defined by the dragonballs to in the end becoming the very dragon of the dragon balls themselves which is why it was a fine touch for him to return to being a child again because dragonball essentially culminated the way it began, with kid Goku and the dragonballs.

@jjfeedback443

4 жыл бұрын

And then your fanboying

@chrisdevine4364

4 жыл бұрын

Can I buy some pot from you?

@andyjosee8096

4 жыл бұрын

@@jjfeedback443 He spoke a lot of facts tho, how's that fanboying?

My only issues with power levels revolves around the subtext that you talked about. I don’t need direct numbers, but when you have Roshi hopping into the Tournament of Power and expecting me to believe he can go with any of these characters shifts me out of the narrative. That’s where the subtext is important.

well said. Thx for the video

Power levels are good 😄 only when they aren't expressed numerically 😅

I think this video describes why I had so many problems with the battle against Jiren at the end of Super. We only see bits and pieces of Jiren actually doing anything, and any time we did he just kinda punched someone or just threw a big energy blast. Jiren never really displayed any skill, just raw output, and yet was the biggest enemy in the ToP. I think it would have been interesting to show how flawed Jiren's worldview was by having someone who is insanely more skilled, like Goku, using his raw skill and prowess in battle to overcome Jiren than just simply having a bigger number. It's why I had so many problems with Super's relying on walking stacks of numbers for characters rather than any kind of subtext.

@anthonylong9067

2 жыл бұрын

In other words, Jiren is OP for no reason

@phoebusapollo8365

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonylong9067 yep, dude just trained and went from skinny stick insect alien boi to ragdolling ssj blue like nothing. Why is he so powerful? *how* is he so powerful? Did he train with divines for decades and that’s how he became so powerful? Was he some prophesied person said to be super powerful? No clue, he just came in, was the most powerful mortal to date, and for his backstory, he lost people and decided to train.

Buetiful thumbnail, and explicit reviews. Keep it up

I love this video. It's my #1 issue with the Buu Saga forward. I was happy that the Broly Movie brought that element of subtext back and I hope they continue with it.

I don't care to be honest, i'm just there for the story. Or are we going to say the heart virus that killed future Goku has a power level higher than his ?

@Jayjay_07

4 жыл бұрын

Now imagine coronas power level