I am no longer affiliated with this gym. For those who are interested in visiting me while im in NYC, you can find me at Glory Martial Arts Centre in Bay Ridge!

@troublewakingup

Жыл бұрын

Why not?

@blackler3187

Жыл бұрын

Ye come on why not what's the gossip? :D

@ashkondadban5938

Жыл бұрын

Why do you stop affiliating with half the gyms you go to

@dxmakina

Жыл бұрын

Uh oh. Did someone not like how the clips turned out? You could post the whole thing unedited, we’d all love to see it!

@Muscleman09

5 ай бұрын

​@@troublewakingup it's because he doesn't train there and people kept showing up in hopes to see him so he says that so people don't bother the gym

I appreciate the fighters respecting each other by going about 50%. Sparring is supposed to be fun and safe; really enjoyed seeing this!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!!

@spacecookie1091

Жыл бұрын

It's not even 50% lmao It's like 20%

@ferdi6594

Жыл бұрын

@@spacecookie1091 more like 10%

@mitjed

Жыл бұрын

Contact Sports fighters usually get permanent damage not in fight day but sparring sessions.

@Boomy2nicce

Жыл бұрын

@@ferdi6594 good no need to kill someone over a fucking KZread video. Muay Thai fighters don’t do that shit cause it’s no benefit. Your chin gets weak with every punch and so does your brain it’s smarter to save the hard shit for fight day

Good to see wing chun guys doing real sparring. Respect it

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Osss

@itpugil

Жыл бұрын

@@joek613 exactly. We use to teach wing chun back then, and people always asked if it was ip man's lineage. I responded in kind that ours was yuen kay shan's and proceeded to tell them that lineages don't matter because not ip man, nor yuen kay shan is doing the fighting, you are.

@austinsavage

Жыл бұрын

Not on that hardwood floor though

@itpugil

Жыл бұрын

@blackrhinomartialarts9298 you'll have to forgive me. Lineage still doesn't matter, the artist does. No matter how great the supposed lineage is, you are doing the translating into techniques. In this case, he probably isn't that good of a wing chun practitioner which is why he got beat up, but that is basically most of the wing chunners especially on youtube because they refuse to evolve. I have only seen 2 videos where wing chun won, one was against a karate master who was smaller and shorter, and two against a muay thai guy being pushed towards a mirror, breaking it. With the latter being the only legit win. People get stuck up on lineages and I have seen that play out since I used to teach the art. Lineages don't matter, the martial artist does. So I applaud Nate because he managed to get a few shots in, can't say the same for most chunners since most kwoons are stuck on drilling instead of pressure testing it on sparring. Jeff emphasized that well, he made wing chun techniques work, so did UFC LW champion Jon Jones, or Ben Saunders. Focus on the artist not the lineage. You can get a sucky lineage and still be a better chunner than a guy with a "legit" lineage but doesn't have the knack for it.

@humbledb4jesus

Жыл бұрын

@Black Rhino Martial Arts - i thought that kind of shitcan attitude went away when bruce fought wong jack man...I guess some people never learn...

What separates you from other mma practitioners is that your very respectful and open minded about the opponents discipline. As always great video and always learning something new.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thank you!!

@enkiimuto1041

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, I hear a lot of "that doesn't work" without understanding the scenario those arts were created.

You controlled so well and took such great care of your partner. 100% class act.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thank you!

@kravmagaCDK

Жыл бұрын

Yea. He’s getting better with that 😊

@jayjay53313

Жыл бұрын

@@MMAShredded I give straight forward factual review. Jeff won if this is actual fighting competition. Nate's hands are often guarding too low & at few times he dropped the hand entirely leaving huge gap for Jeff to punch. When wearing 8-12oz boxing 🥊 mitt, numbers of kungfu hand techniques should be avoided as doing so will end up cumbersome and left dangling far requiring extra energy just to draw them back to guard the head. Of course lighter 4oz open hand gloves used in MMA & original kungfu stage fight in 60's will be more practical & realistic.

@Nattapong69

8 ай бұрын

@@jayjay53313 Jeff is a professional fighter. Of course he won. Nate is a good fighter, but just because you are a good fighter it doesn't mean you can beat a professional fighter.

No way I'd think a collab like this would ever happen freaking amazing

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

:)))

@someone-lo3pe

Жыл бұрын

whyyyy did you leave meeee!

@xeruyt4120

Жыл бұрын

He is the real Wing Chun master bro

@xeruyt4120

Жыл бұрын

Unlike other vids we watched pure annoying styles no moves shown

@mellonhead9568

Жыл бұрын

@@someone-lo3pe the dark lord is here chin chin

There are good concepts in Wing Chun that absolutely do work. The difference here is that Jeff has clearly studied and integrated Wing Chun hand trapping into his mixed martial arts 🥋. I started in kung fu and still use hand trapping and straight blast i.e. vertical punches 👊 to this day. They work as both men prove here. But the lack of footwork and head movement makes it a death sentence to rely on it as a fighting style exclusively. Since Bruce Lee's spirit is so prominent here, let's remember his core philosophy: Take what works for yourself and ditch the rest. Absolute props to both men here. To Nate for his bravery and Jeff for his mastery.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!!!

@ryu3019

Жыл бұрын

Muay Thai fighter and boxers are better at hand traping compared to wing chun guys. You don't need Wing chun to use guard manipulation or hand traping or parries.

@SifuNate

Жыл бұрын

Thanks my friend. Well said, his time at New York Martial Arts Academy and lot of fighting experience definitely made it difficult due to his familiarity. Jeff is amazingly adaptable and doesn’t just do what most mma or boxing do. Thanks so much and it was a fun experience and I learned a lot in the exchange.

@bronstet

Жыл бұрын

@@SifuNate Good for you. Thanks for doing this with Jeff and replying.

@Nizaar1

Жыл бұрын

​@@ryu3019A lot of Wing Chun fighters don't spar enough leading to their techniques being bad because they don't actually train them. But Wing Chun definitely provides things in terms of leverage and timing that Boxing and MT don't have. It is just that boxers and MT practitioners often train more efficiently, so the arts can seem superior to Wing Chun in that area because their techniques have actually been trained.

Nate definitely needs to work on his striking more, but this is a real breath of fresh air. Two different arts sparing humbly with no narcissism in sight, just a whole lot of situational actions to break down and learn from. It's a rather rare sight to see a gym with this much flexibility and tolerance toward the idea.

@EARTH.HARMONY.SOUND.HEALING

Жыл бұрын

resspect and good feedback for both fighters on what can improve and what is workign well

Loved seeing his hand traps actually be somewhat affective. Respect giving this guy a chance to test his abilities. Also love that he's taking the sparring well and not getting emotional when his moves don't exactly go his way

I know Nate from back home. Dude so proud of you for keeping up the growth of your channel. Hell yeah dude

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Osss

Man you are the perfect sparring partner a lot of traditional martial artist should spar with you to demonstrate their styles for safety and educational purposes I learned soo much watching this

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thank you!

@unmessable12

Жыл бұрын

I do yin style Baguazhang and I would loveeee the chance to spar Jeff if he ever came to Texas lol (I’m a bit camera shy though). Sparrings super important for traditional martial arts to practice and get comfortable with. Luckily you’re seeing more and more of it with this younger generation of practitioners.

Hard to find good-natured sparring like this on the internet, excellent learning experience! Massive respect for both of you

wow i think he learnt alot from you. Love Jeff and his positivity

@Last_Chance.

Жыл бұрын

How's khalyla?

@Asuma492

Жыл бұрын

How's Brendan?

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Thanks bro!

@DownloadDeX

Жыл бұрын

Definitely didn't expect to see this in the comment section lol

@Lorendrawn

Жыл бұрын

Lots of class in this comment thread. Hi Bobby! Have a nice day

Both of you guys inspire me to keep practicing, grinding, hit the gym. Thank you so much, look up to both you so much!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks :)

Jeff always bringing the good stuff. Thanks for the bid and the breakdowns.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for the support :))

I love how calm and collected your sparring is

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thank you!!

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

Not always hahaha

Never really seen Wing Chun get stress tested like this so its cool to see how he uses those elbow parries, reminds me of dustin poirier

@humbledb4jesus

Жыл бұрын

most people don't realize long guard is a form of WC/JKD...

@unknownentity8256

Жыл бұрын

@@humbledb4jesus It's one of the stances, and I do think Bruce Lee for example has made long guard well known.

@Anas-rx9zs

Жыл бұрын

@@humbledb4jesus a long guard has been part of muay thai aswell its known as the dracula guard

@Anas-rx9zs

Жыл бұрын

But yes WC/JKD has a big emphasis on that

@TheLockon00

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it seems to kind of just turn into kickboxing but with more liberal use of the "kung fu" kind of blocks seen in boxing and kickboxing.

Good on Nate for taking the gentle beating. Can't say I'd fare any better than him 😅

@Deoslatt

Жыл бұрын

You wouldn’t survive a spar against him

@SakanLam

Жыл бұрын

@@Deoslatt he'd wreck me.

@Deoslatt

Жыл бұрын

@@SakanLam id wreck you too. And im not talking about fighting 😩

@SakanLam

Жыл бұрын

@@Deoslatt okay dude 😒

Great video! Clear demonstration of wing chun’s limitations once you add footwork / distance control to the mix. Kudos to both of you for doing this!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

@charlesdourado8292

Жыл бұрын

Jeff beat him at his own trapping game to be honest

@TheWelchProductions

Жыл бұрын

Mixed martial arts is better than one martial art because you can take something useful from each one and compensate for their limitations. Wing Chun is great if you use it in tandem with other fighting styles/techniques.

@eclipsis1999

Жыл бұрын

This is not wing chun, this is half decent JKD

@bobt9948

Жыл бұрын

I see the wing chun fighter at a clear disadvantage giving solely to a lack of sparring experience. That makes a big difference!

Great Wing Chun sparring sesh and commentary. I would have loved to have seen (and probably benefited from ) a conversation between the 2 of you afterwards about the sparring sesh. You make awesome, educational content - keep it up!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks man!!

The sad part is that you are doing more wing Chun moves than him…

@ericwarr9088

Жыл бұрын

Guess you didn't really pay attention to video...

@ryogahibiki7806

9 ай бұрын

Well this shows that is not the martial art but the fighter

@brandoncimeno-nl8md

4 ай бұрын

There's nothing sad about this, show some respect. These are 2 high level guys. You can't even see what the wing chun guy is bringing to the table clearly. Watch again and notice his level of poise when performing the parry strike etc.

@Griefy

Ай бұрын

It’s about who trains more realistically, sparring is the most important thing. Wing chun is purely theory and no reality.

Very cool to see the trapping. Glad to see angled fighting stances and more boxing techniques, not the usual square stance of wing chun, which gets then into trouble in sparring with other styles. Thanks for sharing!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

Very inspiring to see you both work :) Thank you ❤‍🔥

Nice to see the analysis and actually pointing out hand traps during the sparring, makes it easier to see the Wing Chun actually being used.

That was awesome gentleman, I'm a student of Shaolin Kempo and Japanese Kyokushin, and really enjoyed them both. Lots of hands and head movement.. Love it... Will look you both up . Again thank you very much.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching !

@ryu3019

Жыл бұрын

Stop the cap,kyokushin doesn't have head movement it doesn't even allow punches and elbows to the face

@Stewcrew8

Жыл бұрын

@@ryu3019 not sure who you studied or if you did.. I know they're always be whack feedback...

@Stewcrew8

Жыл бұрын

@@MMAShredded again sir, that was an awesome video, thank you for sharing.

@ryu3019

Жыл бұрын

@@Stewcrew8 you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes just watch a few kyokushin match they never move their head

Different levels between a practitioner vs Jeff who has so much experience in real combat

@Sann-XXX

Жыл бұрын

Facts, Jeff is a profesional fighter..

So incredibly proud that this happened at the martial arts school I go to and with one of the instructors!

Great content as always, Jeff! Thank you for sharing!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

Nice demonstration of Wing Chun. You can see the Pros and Cons of really staying within the movements of WC. Since hand speed is so vital to WC, I'd like to see the same match with headgear and MMA gloves.

@acevtol

5 күн бұрын

or no gloves

Any chance of you showing a new spar with a relative first timer? Demonstrating beginning sparring methodology and etiquette, with everything that you've learned? I think it would be a great video to direct to people beginning their journey, so the next generation can evolve in the best way possible

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

good video idea! will def see what I can do

I'm a big late to the show but I simply had to say how much I appreciate this video. You show genuine respect for Sifu Nate and his art, but your sparring is still an uncompromising stress test. If you saw an opening, you took it (and vice versa). Thank you for putting out such great content.

The matched energy is so impressive. I always find guys wanting to up the energy for advantage and ruin the flow. This was so nice to watch. Thank you.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

:)

Love Ninja Nate to death man, but props to you as well man for keeping a unbiased view on Martial Arts. Alot of people throw shade at Wing Chun and other Kung Fu styles, but you actually take the time to spar some these guys upload it to YT and learn from it. Amazing Video😁

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thank you!!

@X-Factor-22

Жыл бұрын

Without traditional Martial arts, there would be no MMA.🤷🏾‍♂️ MMA guys dissing traditional Martial arts would be the equivalent of someone dissing their grandfather.

@Regularshowguy124

Жыл бұрын

@@X-Factor-22 I agree 100%

@Regularshowguy124

Жыл бұрын

@@dipayandey913 Well said Brother

@bluefalcon6356

Жыл бұрын

​@@X-Factor-22 hard to hate such old ass styles too. Yeah wing Chun isn't as good as MMA. Neither is late 1800s boxing.

There's a martial artist at the Dojo I go to named Dion who's background is wing Chun, Kung fu , and kickboxing style. He's one of my best sparring partners. This was cool to see!

Beautiful sparring,full of techniques and energy. Credit to both guys. Great job!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!!

Absolutely schooled him! So nice of you to keep power at 20%

soooo...why is Jeff's Handtrapping more effective, then from the Guy who teaches a Martial Art based on Handtrappin? :/

@markmessi9020

Жыл бұрын

Because Jeff's boxing works. The other guy is stuck in an IP Man movie

@Sann-XXX

Жыл бұрын

Because Jeff is soo experienced and masters alot of Styles that give him an advantage, just look how he immediately adapted to his style and applied wing chung trapping, that is thanks to the experience of having practiced many styles of martial arts

@veganninja5886

Жыл бұрын

@@markmessi9020 Most likely the wing chun guy doesnt do much sparring.

@Sann-XXX

Жыл бұрын

@@veganninja5886 yeah thats other reason.. Jeff spar with everybody, also dont forget that he is a profesional fighter lol

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Diff style of trapping ! :)

Sparred a wing chun guy like this before, I noticed he was much better in closer range, where I (a tkd and sanda practitioner) was worse at, he also was able to apply some of his hand trapping techniques and they were very interesting to see performed, very fast as well, trying to throw many hits after a successful parry or trap. After noticing that though I just kept to the outside and outboxed, working my jab and cross, and then trying to be quicker and smarter when infighting him

Hey Jeff, I am not one to write a comment, but I just wanted to thank you for all your videos. I just started training mma at Factory X in CO. I am 24 years old and was pursuing a professional soccer dream that came to an end. I just saw your video, "Is it too late?". You have inspired me to see what could possibly happen with consistency and discipline in MMA... At the very least I'm gaining a ton of knowledge and it keeps my ego in check which is much needed!! You're a blessing Jeff! Can't wait to keep learning from your videos.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

im so glad to hear man! im excited for your journey man. you are still a baby. keep it up!!

@FoxySpartan117

Жыл бұрын

Never give up and never surrender man. It's never too late!

YOOOO😮😮😮 Two of my favorite KZreadrs. Early Christmas

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

:))

Wing Chun has very underrated parries and wrist control. They have a higher than normal share of weirdo, but there's some very good pieces that I feel could shine if Wing Chun put more of an emphasis on hard sparring.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@eclipsis1999

Жыл бұрын

Nobody should put emphasis on hard sparring

@joshevans7175

Жыл бұрын

@@eclipsis1999 I definitely agree, people shouldn't be regularly killing each other in the gym. However I also strongly feel the first time you get cracked should NOT be in a real fight. Much better to be in a safer environment with people that have some marginal investment in you continuing to breathe. Like everything there's a time and place for it. That's to say nothing of the more art side of understanding what works or doesn't against real harm.

@leavemealone2006

Жыл бұрын

Check out Alan Orr on KZread. He is a legit Wing Chun instructor with students regularly competing in boxing and MMA

@smakajo400

Жыл бұрын

Pak Sao and other elbow/forearm blocks can easily be retrofitted into a strike. It was lost for the longest but Wing Chun is essentially just Boxing but with different executions; though doesn't help that the practitioners nowadays don't emphasize the nowadays boxing format of striking. Even though there are methods of dodging in Kung Fu, like what a boxer would call "rope-a-dope" or bobbing and weaving, none of that is really used in the system. On that note, I do believe that what you call "Hard Sparring" is the type of sparing shown in the video? Since anything that could be considered "hard sparring" past what is portrayed in this video is just a full-blown fight.

Your footwork and movement patterns often remind me of Dominic Cruz, especially in this session Great breakdown! Trapping is in a lot of arts so it stands to reason that it's a functional thing when trained properly

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thank you!!

@Netox2

Жыл бұрын

thought the same, also great reaction time, thie feels like watching Matrix

@guillaumebartys4437

Жыл бұрын

yeah but be careful of middle and high kick if you use often those head movement

@algladyou

Жыл бұрын

@@guillaumebartys4437 i always felt that follow up kick is lacking on MMA. You combo punch and as you dodge back while on block. At the same time, you are kicking up. It's great for when they are following your body to punch you. It's so open from below. Kicking the leg, body or head. Or combo punch moving forward then front kick.

@joh_kun5530

Жыл бұрын

​​@@algladyou Cruz has that wrestling debuff going on that allows him to get away with not getting kicked in the face, as he could easily set his head movement up to dodge follow up kicks with his awkward movement and the threat of a takedown making strikers hesitate on launching those kicks in the first place. A lot of other good wrestleboxers have this going for them, actually.

Very sharp! Some of your best head-movement yet

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

Liked as soon as this started man! Keep going you beauty! Can't wait to watch this!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks man!

i just feel a boxer would be able to tear through those hand traps and blocks with the speed and power of his punches, overwhelming that style.

@MBryy

Жыл бұрын

How about merge with boxing?!

@ballo3595

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes. It depends on the range. Duran's inside techniques were very similar to wing-chun and Duran's arguably the GOAT of boxing.

@richcox86

Жыл бұрын

Theres a big difference wotg intensity concerning those complacent with training and those who are really attempting to apply technique for more dmg output. Without being aware of it thd average person can be alot more snappy and precise at any level by being fully immersed which is what proper sparring is for

Pretty wild stuff! I've never seen this much trapping in sparring before with boxing gloves on.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!

What I'd really like to see is a conversation between the two of you afterwards, discussing what worked and didn't work, thought processes, etc. True knowledge comes from understanding both sides of the equation.

I LOVE THIS! I feel like Jeff is the best to do collabs with other more traditional art forms!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

:)

Love this collaboration! It's refreshing to have a Wing Chun practitioner sparring! It does work, it's just most people don't spend the time needed in sparring to see how it all fits together. Only things I would harp on, having a lot of WC experience, are the footwork and guard. It's cool to see the addition of boxing style head bobbing, but the Wing Chun fighting stance has the arms in place as a set of extremely powerful frames guarding the centerline with the desire to engage with the opponent's limbs, not dodge them. If they don't engage your guard, only more roundabout attacks are open, but the same guard can handle those initial attacks with minimal shifting of the hands or torso. All the techniques like lap sau, pak sau, etc. are follow ups to engaging that guard, not standalone blocks. This may seem rigid, but that's where the angled footwork comes in, cutting angles shortly after contact to get off of the line of attack or get to an advantageous position. Now I can't read his mind to know his intent, and he obviously handled himself pretty well, so I'm just going to say I'm super happy to see Sifu Nate putting his skills to the test. Hope to see even better Wing Chun sparring in the future!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!!

It is obvious that Jeff has a big respect on Wing Chun. I hope every MMA fighter has this kind of level of respect on Wing Chun.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@austinsavage

Жыл бұрын

WC is an easy target to ridicule coz a HUGE amount of its practitioners refuse to acknowledge its shortcomings and adapt to real/modern fighting, and also refuse to stress-test their skills in actual sparring. As if strictly adhering to a tradition that s divorced from reality is a badge of honour. And whenever a WC practitioner loses, “that’s not real WC”

@florisvanlingen

Жыл бұрын

@@austinsavage People often mistake what real fighting is. In real fighting you often don't know when or who you are going to fight. Sometimes it's in the street, other times in confined spaces. Might involve weapons or multiple attackers. There are no rules, no rounds, no protective gear, no weightclasses and no refferees. The gap is often closed emmediatly. You are literally fighting to survive and get away. A lot of "Streetfights" happen because of ego. In many cases you can just walk away without fighting but people start to act tough, get close, push and shove before striking or grappling. In real unavoidable violence you have no choice and the attacker often closes the gap in order to attack. To get better at handeling real violence you need certain attributes. Having some good awareness, basic punches and anti wresteling is enough for most situations in your life if you try to avoid violence at all costs. Stuff like this might look like real fighting, but it's easy to forget how many things are still certain. kzread.info/dash/bejne/e5lps7Oop7TPe7g.html&ab_channel=manneredchimpanzee Everything you do in a martial art has pro's and con's, but the goal is to apply the right thing at the right time. Combat sports athletes figure out what is effective by feeling out their opponent at a distance, using feints and setups to land their heavier strikes. Although these techniques are very dangerous the fight has become more of a physical chessgame. Real wing-chun focusses on unavoidable violence and assumes the coherent context. If you take wing-chun out of the context it's designed for and put it in an combat sports environment it will have to change in order to be the most effective in that situation. This is possible but you would have to understand the system really well, which brings me to my next point. Wing-chun has been watered down and therefore most don't understand it well. Ip Man only had a hand full of students that were actual fighters, many after just taught for the money and removed the combat aspects in change for more chi sao. Most of the real fighters went to teach in Europe rather than the US, so the wing-chun there is even worse. Take a look at the examples below, can you guess which type of training and techniques is more fit for actual fighting? A) kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZiW1MSLgMy-p9o.html&ab_channel=RedBoatWingChunkungFuDenmark B)kzread.info/dash/bejne/oo6ExsWlmse9h5c.html&ab_channel=SifuJanosKonya C) kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2mXmK9qecm7hKQ.html&ab_channel=VTCombatScience

@TheGuyCalledX

Жыл бұрын

They shouldn't. The Wing Chun dude was getting hit clean over and over and over and over again. If this sparring wasn't at like 30%, dude would've gotten knocked out a dozen times

@brotherhoodofsteel3090

Жыл бұрын

​@TheGuyCalledX Jeff is a professional MMA fighter, who has typical MMA and traditional martial arts under his belt, what did you expect?

Another excellent display functional application of tradittional concepts. Thanks Jeff!

Respect to that sparing. Good job both.

A collab I never saw coming, Nate’s one of the only people I’ve seen on the internet use real wing chun/jkd and how it is supposed to be. W video.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!!

@SifuNate

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@eclipsis1999

Жыл бұрын

WING CHUN/Ving Tsun ≠ JKD

Proves that hybrid styles work as you apply what's in front of you at that second. Well done to the wing chun guy, not a fan of that style as its very linear and restrictive. You can see that he also is hybrid in his approach too. I would say to any youngster starting out to take that as a the single most important lesson in developing yourself, don't restrict yourself to your style, mix it up and borrow and spar with as many different styles as you can so you can learn.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!!

Great vid. I started in JKD school which taught Jun Fan and Muay Thai. I learned things there that didn't get taught in other places and they are little sneaky deviations that I've been able to add into my game.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

Good exchange by both of you. Very good channel. Nice to see martial artist stay open minded & show respect to one another.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

I think we get to see more wing chin techniques, if you guys sparred with mma gloves since it’s more open handed. A lot of the techniques involves palm and grabbing, which is hard to utilize w/ big Thai gloves. But overall it was pretty dope

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!

@alexhoward1884

Жыл бұрын

No one spars with 4 oz MMA gloves. And as an MMA fighter Jeff was at the same disadvantage in boxing gloves.

@alvinli5587

Жыл бұрын

@@alexhoward1884 well yeah, they’re not gonna spar 100% pwr w/ smaller gloves, a light and controlled spar. In jeet kune do & wing chun classes we do spar lightly with mma gloves, obs wearing more protective gear. Similar to Kyokushin.

@mato2677

Жыл бұрын

@@alvinli5587 dude light sparring is why people suck.. making it harder on yourself eventually makes it easier

@ehisey

Жыл бұрын

@@mato2677 tell that to the Thai's. Light sparring with control and backforth play is a staple of good muay thai training.

Thank you Jeff for this superb trapping demonstration (yes of course it works), its really fascinating to me and i would buy any trapping course on your homepage instantly! People in the comments should realize, that advanced Biu Gee Concepts involves head movement, curved hooks, good angles (wooden dummy form and application) and advcanced foot work. People mistake the basic beginner techniques like straight punches for the whole system; its only a first fraction believe me! The MMA World is ready to accept that trapping techniques (pak / lap / jut sao) work in sparring, redirecting is an important concept here as well, shoulder / ellbow rolls (bong / quan sao) did always work in boxing, the vertical jap is used by bas rutten exclusively in his mma teaching style as well as the square stand (IRAS), that you could see in Ramon Deckers and Mike Tysons approach (i dont claim they had any JKD or WC influences only similar concepts). I could go on with those examples. Finally as Wing Chun is a southern kung fu boxing style, it is dumm to say, that it looks like boxing: Because its a short range, infight kung fu boxing style! And yes i train a lot of styles, but people need to pay the heritage of traditional styles some respect! You could say that JKD was the first MMA approach, but still respected its origin...

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for your analysis and knowledge!

@fightingstudent2363

Жыл бұрын

@@MMAShredded Thank you Jeff for every technique video that you did over the years! I bought your head movement course today and the quality is again really impressive. If you could do a trapping video with small mma gloves, that would be really fascinating to see! Thanks again!

Respect all round. Sparring done right and great to see it in the spirit it was intended.

Absolutely wonderful. This is what martial arts is all about. Two disciplines come together to better one another. Both parties come out learning more and still have mutual respect for one another. Jeff, when are you going to fight again!?

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching !!

That is great to see a guy who stress tests his wing chun. Good stuff.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Osss

Respeito e treino wing chun. Fui faixa preta Taekwondo, marrom de karatê e grau vermelho de Muay Thai, mas o wing chun não sai bem contra a mão do boxe. No treino é uma coisa, na tática. Mas na luta.... dá não

great video 👏, jeff's experience in sparring is visible, that's why even though I am a wing chun teacher, I study SANDA and jiu jitsu and stay active in combats and sparring.. jeff chan is excellent, respect!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

Jeff has to be the best mma guy on KZread thanks for all you do your really doing good work for those who don’t have access to mma gyms etc

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks man!!

I know it's a small thing but I would kind of like to see this if they were wearing MMA gloves, I find when I'm sparring and trying to practise Wing Chun the chunky boxing gloves make it such a pain in the ass it's like wearing over mits while trying to work on something. xD Loved it all the same tho, thanks Jeff.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Next time !

Jeff is such an amazing guy, he went super hyper gentle...if he'd push a little bit more, oh boy...

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching !

I very enjoyed to watch the sparring... I myself JKD partitioner, and before that studied Thai Boxing and Karate... It is great to see this wing chan techniques properly implemented... I will myself try to do everything you did when i spar... Thanks a lot...

I have so much respect for Sifu Nate, but I feel like I rarely see clips of him sparring. It's so awesome to see him on the channel!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!

I’m curious to see how the trapping during sparring would look if you both wore MMA gloves? I think believe that Wing Chun / JKD trapping is more effective in MMA gloves. Thoughts?

@MitsuMitsu385

Жыл бұрын

Well, one would better hand dexterity in MMA gloves, but boxing/Thai gloves are bigger, so there is more to "catch/latch on" to. It might depend on the individual, or maybe there's enough of a difference.

@repa8203

Жыл бұрын

If you fought amateur 😂

@robertmacdonald5496

Жыл бұрын

I'm also curious to see how this would look if this weren't on a hard wooden floor and Jeff was allowed to sweep and use takedowns.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

True we gotta try with mma gloves next time !

@timm285

Жыл бұрын

MMA gloves aren’t made for sparring though.

As a Brazilian jiujitsu blackbelt who spent way too many years in traditional wing Chung… (before I was ever a JJ black belt), No disrespect to the WC practitioner, but this is a perfect example of what, putting so many years and time into Wing Chun will get you. Sad but true. It’s nearly as bad as aikido in terms of real applicable combat. It’s not as bad but it’s a close second. Maybe it worked 500 years ago? Who knows…

@gleamingmariobros3684

Жыл бұрын

Give the guy a break man. Your comparing an active practitioner of the wing chun and jkd style and comparing him to a man who has learned multiple martial arts and has fought inside the cage. This is what wing chun is supposed to be. Not a bunch of slapping bs that u see all over the internet.

really enjoyed watching this... thank you !

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks!!

This was a really cool video. Liked the mix of techniques

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!!

Awesome to see guys. Having practiced mma and wing chun, it’s great to see true martial artists showcasing a purist sparring bout. Great offensive and countering techniques from you guys! I personally feel Nate would have a better edge without having to use gloves since wing chun is mainly practiced without the gloves and he’ll have better feel and power deflection usage of his hands. The gloves prob feel to bulky for him to flow with. But again it’s sparring you don’t want to get real fists landing in your face. 😂🤜 like Bruce Lee’s says, adapt, absorb what is useful and discard what isn’t applies to martial arts fighting 👊

@SifuNate

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly but definitely been adapting to the gloves for safety of sparring partners. It’s possible but definitely not as efficient since you have to make slightly wider movements.

@marktuthill7986

Жыл бұрын

@@SifuNate Insetad of boxing style sparring gloves I would suggest MMA sparring gloves which can be worn without wraps if you like (so they don't restrict hand movement). These are open handed like MMA competition gloves but they have thicker padding on the hand/knuckle area. I think these would be superior to boxing style gloves for a style like wing chun.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

yes he def had a disadvantage due to the gloves! we can try mma gloves next time!

@vinnychase2455

Жыл бұрын

@@MMAShredded yeah would love to see that guys! Mma grapper style gloves like enter the dragon hahah True martial arts spirit! Keep at it 👊love yout content and channel Jeff!

I did wing chun and im sorry but in real life wing chun practionner would get ko in a sec

I think Wing Chun system from Sifu Martin Dragos has improved the usability of Wing Chun big time I have been practicing it for a while and it had big impact on my sparring and overall ability because it covers many weaknesses in the traditional Wing Chun Thanks for the video!! Keep it up 💪💪 I have been watching and learning from you for a while as well, appereciate your work!!

Love this content!!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thank you!!

Wing chun would never work in ufc. The same moves that do work are found in Muay Thai.

@gangstaman2069

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, ossu!

Jeff’s wing chun are better 😂😂

@lessfriendlyJordies

Жыл бұрын

jeffs a professional fighter

That was beautiful, great display of techniques and a very educational video hope to see more about hand trapping and control, as always marvelous video.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!

I enjoyed this pace of sparring too. polite and respectful sparring.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

cheers!!

It was cool to see wing chun get battle tested like this. I think that wing chun can work on normal soft humans that never train in any way. However, I wouldn’t rely on it verse anyone better. Just a strong athletic person can muscle thru the hand traps, pick you up and slam you. Or just slug you. I do think that practicing it, while honing your other skills, it can become a very useful tool in your bag of tricks. I hand trap jabs sometimes myself, and I can see how it can be effective. Just not gonna work if you only use wing chun. It’ll be good for parry’s and counters, and maybe even to redirect an opponent’s attack, but, I don’t believe only wing chun will be the most effective. There’s also other martial arts and techniques that can be used the same way as wing chun.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

great movement jeff fucking clean bruvv, dope editing as well

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks bro!!

This is the one thing I never knew I needed but like BRO OH MY GOD

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

haha :)

Great video! I see why Bruce lee had to modify his wing chun style, You dominated the whole fight! Donnie Yen makes it look so easy on film, lol.

@veganninja5886

Жыл бұрын

wing is bets used without big puffy gloves also. Plus the wing chun guy didnt have good footwork

The hand trapping is absolute porn! Love it! Going to bring that into sparring on Monday

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Osssss

The most important of the Wing Chun system are the 4 combat and 4 strength principles: The Power Principles: 1. Free yourself from your own power. 2. Free yourself from your opponent's power. 3. Use the opponent's power. 4. Add your own power. The fighting principles: 1. When the way is clear, push! 2. If you make contact with your opponent, stick! 3. If the opponent's power is greater, give in! 4. If the opponent retreats, follow him! In simple Words : Take the opponent's space to act and incapacitate them. This WC Guy didnt move or use all of the WC techniques. What you see (WC Guy) is the regular movement and balancing movements like a boxer. In this case of course the boxer will be better.

Such a great vid! Would have been great if you could have explained some more of Nates successful strikes, thanks!

Y'all are being way too nice 😅. Exaggerated head movement, pawing instead of properly parrying, lazy arm punches, leaning back in fear while throwing, plodding footwork. Worst of all, low fight IQ. "Hand trap, jab cross, slip in" over and over. Falling for all of Jeff's feints and traps. Not that there's shame in Jeff getting the better of you.. But he obviously has done little real sparring, or wing Chung is really that bad. If we didn't know he was a Wing Chung superstar we might think he has half a year of training. Don't know

@jaydoes2166

Жыл бұрын

Wing chun is just bad. Jeff just trying to lend a hand to a dying dance/aerobics discipline like tai chi, wing chun isn’t a combat art at least not in its current form today. Maybe it never was because even Bruce Lee said a “person who trains boxing or wrestling for one year will defeat any martial artist” by martial artist he was referring to stuff like wing chun…

For all those who say "wing chung doesn't work".. Man come on Jeff is a professional fighter, who has practiced several styles and has perfected his technique by sparring with other fighters.. it is obvious that Jeff is going to look better, no matter what practice martial art that if someone with more experience and more techniques comes, they will always take the lead 🤣🤣. I mean, he also used wing chung principles in sparring, so wing chung works if you combine it with other styles, it gives you more tools to complement your arsenal so... IT'S NOT THE MARTIAL ART, IT'S THE FIGHTER... REMEMBER IT 👊🏿

@ijazaziz8531

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit. It is the martial art and it is the fighter. For example you can't put a boxer to fight in muy thai the boxer has no training in leg kicks and his shin would not be conditioned for that. One kick to his face and he's out because he has no experience defending it. You put a bullshit unrealistic martial art like aikido or wing chun against mma obviously the mma fighter would win. To an extent it is the fighter but it is also the martial art. You can't cpmpare a completely useless martial art to something that is effective. Jeff was going super easy here and making this guy look like an amateur. Do you know how bad you have to be for someone to play around with you and make your style look that ineffective

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

Yes always depending on the specific individual!

@ijazaziz8531

Жыл бұрын

@@MMAShredded So why don't you make more videos practicing more aikido or wing chun or tai chi since its the person not the style?

Damn, Jeff just united the martial arts communities in this comment section. Never imagined I would see you spar Nate, this is awesome!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

:)

Good sparring session to train in some hand traps. Very educational. I cringe tho, seeing your opponent’s defense when striking. It’s wide open. A few concussions taught me this lesson in my early days. Nice video Jeff!!

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!!

Wing Chun is really good at blocking punches with your face. This superstar really shows us how to use minimal effort to allow your opponent get the most hits on your face as possible

Lets be honest, he looks like an absolut beginner.. he gets tagged the most of all of your sparringspartners, by far

I love how respectful you are with other arts and that you Just let your audience decide if it is snake oil or not

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

:)

Jeff is more JKD than most guys that claim to be JKD, he actually blends techniques and principles from different arts seamlessly, without ignoring the foundational strengths of Western boxing and Muay Thai. Very educational every time. Great combat IQ.🙏Wing Chun is NOT JKD, proper JKD however, is how you learn to make WC effective in actual combat.

As expected, Wing Chun doesn't work.

@largocharles8729

Жыл бұрын

As jeff literally used winchun stuff and it worked lol

@paulbadman8509

Жыл бұрын

@@largocharles8729 you mean regular boxing parries?

@lessfriendlyJordies

Жыл бұрын

@@paulbadman8509 that are also emphasised in wing chun. lots of martial arts have overlaps.

@eeeeeeeeebatitupalkata6011

Жыл бұрын

@@lessfriendlyJordies yes but wing chun doesnt work as we can see, shut up

As expected, JKD is pretty bad

Excellent control Jeff 🔥

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thanks man!

I just want to fall in with other's opinion like how easy and fluidly you both spar, you do not want to win but to learn. Respect to you both, guys.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

oss!

Lots to watch here. Will have to review at least a couple of times. There's a lot of stance switches from WC. Nice work, both of you. Thanks.

@MMAShredded

Жыл бұрын

thx!!