My Honest Opinion on Wing Chun and the IP MAN Movie

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I get asked about Wing Chun all the time. It might be the most mainstream version of kung fu in the west and I also trained it for a while before switching over the Shaolin Kung Fu. Why? Cause I watched the Ip man movie with Donnie Yen. I know. I was very impressionable. Anyways, this video is about Wing Chun and the shortcomings I see in its style, community and marketing. Enjoy!
@SenseiSeth Can I Make Wing Chun Work?
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@MartialArtsJourney Why I Finally Quite Wing Chun
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Chapters:
00:00 I love the Ip Man Movie
03:18 Does Wing Chun Ignore Weight Differences?
04:20 Do Wing Chun techniques prepare you for fights?
06:12 Can you use Wing Chun to defend yourself?
07:32 The Business behind Wing Chun
08:48 How Wing Chun is taught
10:26 The best reason to train Wing Chun
11:15 Summary
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  • @SenseiSeth
    @SenseiSeth Жыл бұрын

    I feel like most martial arts, the principles are USUALLY pretty sound. But then the practice will get a little wonky. Love your approach here sir 👏👏

  • @SenseiSeth

    @SenseiSeth

    Жыл бұрын

    Also, karate is the same way

  • @Rahzarusfilms

    @Rahzarusfilms

    Жыл бұрын

    love that your here for this vid seth!

  • @Edu-lu2wk

    @Edu-lu2wk

    Жыл бұрын

    Colab when?

  • @Bundesverfassungsgehirn

    @Bundesverfassungsgehirn

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm so happy Rantoni is slowly creeping his way into the Martial Arts KZreadr bubble. This is just what I needed

  • @ssjkaryuusennin

    @ssjkaryuusennin

    Жыл бұрын

    Come to Germany and collab Seth

  • @MartialArtsJourney
    @MartialArtsJourney Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the shoutout Ranton! I'm really glad you're bringing attention to these subjects. Traditional martial arts can offer a lot as long as they are transparent and honest in what they offer without misleading the students and/or pretending to be something they are not. The more people will know what some martial arts and what they aren't, the better choices they will make when choosing a martial art. So thanks again for bringing up this subject!

  • @Veckler

    @Veckler

    Жыл бұрын

    Is it sunday yet?

  • @MartialArtsJourney

    @MartialArtsJourney

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Veckler Hahahahaha. Almost 😁🤯

  • @zomball5610

    @zomball5610

    Жыл бұрын

    I really want you guys to do a collab, I'm a big fan of both you AND ranton and it'd be so cool to see you talk about martial arts together in a collab video! Make it happen!

  • @Elmonsterhombre

    @Elmonsterhombre

    Жыл бұрын

    The youtube martial arts cinematic universe is expanding, I see

  • @dedbit6723

    @dedbit6723

    Жыл бұрын

    OMG this is so nice to see! I would love to see you guys collab haha Linkejimai is Anglijos Rokai :)

  • @UnicornCentaur
    @UnicornCentaur11 ай бұрын

    This video made me feel so much better about the school my son trains in! The Sifu is so humble and positive, and never bad mouths other styles or schools. He's even honest about what works or doesn't work in a street fight. He also loves that my son has other training (Taekwondo and Krav Maga) Thank you so much for this!

  • @ArgenYargen

    @ArgenYargen

    9 ай бұрын

    Great to hear that! I do have to say it is dangerous your son is training Krav Maga, as it was designed by Israeli special forces to kill. The problem with the fact that every move his designed to kill is that: i) you can't practice sparring properly as you'll kill the other student and ii) if he really is training Krav Maga and is good at it then when he does get into a fight, he'll kill someone or seriously injure them. The latter means that you'll be in court in most jurisdictions, rather than safely away at home recovering from a couple of bruises and laughing about the scuffle. Again, good to hear about your son's training though and don't mean this to be a downer but just a heads up!

  • @katherineniemiec9078

    @katherineniemiec9078

    8 ай бұрын

    If you do an unhealthy complexion 9 times in a task you are very bad. Get good always do better. If you are doing very costly less less less no. If you are always doing the method, then remove blockages.

  • @raymorr8713

    @raymorr8713

    6 ай бұрын

    @@ArgenYargen Krav Maga is bullshit. Its the fact that you wont be able to apply it properly given that you cant train it in real time, and the whole "designed by israeli special forces" is also bs, how many times do you hear about the army or special forces getting into hand to hand combat? They might train it sure but it doesnt make it effective. His son should stop training it sure, but not because its too dangerous, because there are better martial arts to train

  • @jgappy5643

    @jgappy5643

    6 ай бұрын

    @@ArgenYargen what a load if crap. I practiced Krav Maga and you are definitely NOT trained to kill. They have stripped Krav Maga into three levels: civilian Krav maga, law enforcement krav maga and military krav maga. Where a soldier learns to kill a civilian learns to inflict pain/damage enough to escape or to stop the threat.

  • @deathninja16

    @deathninja16

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@jgappy5643I'd use the only move that Goku never stole from anyone. It always works.

  • @jimmycarpenter6612
    @jimmycarpenter66125 ай бұрын

    I like how real you keep it. I'm a veteran and have seen combat. We train and train and train for pretty much any situation you can imagine but when the actual combat happens most of that training goes out the window for most people because it never starts the way you expect it. You can train as much as you like but nothing teaches like actual experience.

  • @noneofyourbusiness4294

    @noneofyourbusiness4294

    Ай бұрын

    Not nearly as wild as being a veteran, but this kinda fits here: I've been practicing Taekwondo in my teens, and was fairly successful in tournaments. However: tournaments aren't the same thing as getting attacked on the street. In tournaments, or fighting sports in general, there are rules. Not following them can get you disqualified, and just about nobody wants that. On the streets, or in your case combat, an opponent or enemy most likely won't follow any of those rules, it's not a controlled setting. I hope you didn't have it too bad, I can't begin to imagine what sort of hell actual combat really is

  • @82kmal
    @82kmal Жыл бұрын

    This video-essay type content is amazing, you're an incredible writer. Your points are clear, concise, and easy to follow (also love your vocabulary, eg "praxis-oriented" "self-aggrandizing" "litigious"). The diversity of your channel is absolutely unique, and you do it all well

  • @theskullblaze1

    @theskullblaze1

    Жыл бұрын

    lol sounds like you’re trying to get max points on an school assignment that tasks you with responding to other students. But, I agree.

  • @sxrub3310

    @sxrub3310

    Жыл бұрын

    @@theskullblaze1 that shit is always annoying

  • @82kmal

    @82kmal

    Жыл бұрын

    @@theskullblaze1 just to piggy back off what you said... lol it does kinda seem like I got paid to write that comment. Idk, I just felt like paying respect to Anton since he's disappeared before and I want him to keep making content haha. He's prob my favorite youtuber rn

  • @chilliam00

    @chilliam00

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@sxrub3310 lol recieving honest feedback from other students/peers isn't annoying, it's how you improve from constructive criticism.

  • @cromulom2223

    @cromulom2223

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chilliam00 nah it's mostly just shit like "yes you are right, i agree with your point" that aint constructive

  • @midasthestallion4105
    @midasthestallion4105 Жыл бұрын

    Gus Thomas: "Mr. Wilson, karate is one of the oldest forms of self-defense known to man." Grady Wilson: "It ain't older than running."

  • @bennichols1113

    @bennichols1113

    Жыл бұрын

    And running ain't as old as climbing. 🐒

  • @tor13128

    @tor13128

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bennichols1113 what about crawling?

  • @bennichols1113

    @bennichols1113

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tor13128 indeed

  • @emanueltrudeau4754

    @emanueltrudeau4754

    Жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @PushupsandSteps

    @PushupsandSteps

    Жыл бұрын

    Sanford and Son

  • @belikewater2413
    @belikewater2413 Жыл бұрын

    Spot on my friend. If I’m honest, every art is guilty of exaggerating it’s ‘self defence’ ability and many people learn the hard with a beating…

  • @Sanguen666
    @Sanguen666 Жыл бұрын

    The most useful martial art I practiced was old school boxing. It was a REAL old school boxing. Warmup was 1-2 hours. Technique was ~30 min and sparing was ~10-20 min. Shadow boxing was ~30 min. Each session was 2.5-4 hours long. Just so u guys know, 10 min of full resistance sparring is A LOT. And the reason most of our time spent 'warming-up' was because the most important thing in fighting is PHYSICAL CONDITIONING. Yes, MORE than technique. Some examples from our ~2 hours warmup: basketball, sand-ball ball passing, tennis ball vs the wall (throw with one hand into the wall, catch with the other, smaller balls which i don't know how to write their type- for more advanced students), jumping rope (gets ur pulse to 170+ in less than 5 seconds EASILY if u actually know how to jump, lots of running and jumping. We were a small group of about 10 people. After a session I was soaked to the bone, and the smell of my own sweat was so strong, it was even revolting for myself LMAO. Great times, 10/10 would go back to those times again if I could. For context, the few times I had to fight, I was extremely scared I would get to legal troubles, as in 2 of those times the other dude was knocked unconscious\barley conscious, on asphalt. Another very important point, hands were not made to throw such strong punches as you learn how to throw in classical boxing. I am very serious, if you hit the wrong body part, with the wrong amount of force, you WILL hurt your own hand, and can DEFINITELY break it, and suffer an irreversible damage to your finger dexterity. Avoid violence, it's not worth it.

  • @jackofthecoke

    @jackofthecoke

    Жыл бұрын

    Boxing has always stood out to me as by far a top 5 practical martial art.

  • @mahtowa

    @mahtowa

    Жыл бұрын

    can confirm both pinkies fracked and hands are mangled, dont hit people with out protection!! or you mess up your hands! Or better yet avoid fighting people over stupid shit! LOL!

  • @macenblu6

    @macenblu6

    9 ай бұрын

    man, preach.....10 minutes of straight up sparring is a torture test in the ring

  • @neelroy2918

    @neelroy2918

    9 ай бұрын

    Loved the last sentence.

  • @PeterKoperdan

    @PeterKoperdan

    6 ай бұрын

    Seems like very intense training. How many times a week and was it just a hobby or something more serious?

  • @kneelbeforesaed40
    @kneelbeforesaed40 Жыл бұрын

    I practiced wing chun for 2 years, and I enjoyed every aspect of the martial art. What I did not like was my sifu filling my head with the idea that I could fight anyone with the practical application of wing chun. The longer I practiced it, the more I realized that I would never win a fight in real life. My sifu was over exaggerating what we were learning every day. With that in mind, I continued training in wing chun for fun and I met many great people during that time.

  • @EldritchGrimoire

    @EldritchGrimoire

    Жыл бұрын

    I had the same experience! I bought into it the first year, then I started watching wing Chun vs videos on KZread and was like "oh this man is lying!"

  • @dawsonhewlett1919

    @dawsonhewlett1919

    Жыл бұрын

    @Ur Nemesis delusion rather than lies

  • @chrisallen5854

    @chrisallen5854

    Жыл бұрын

    My experience too! When I realised that in a self defence scenario i would revert to a martial art i did over 10 years previously, I knew I was done.

  • @RAGSTAluvsDA90z

    @RAGSTAluvsDA90z

    Жыл бұрын

    Don't know man, one guy did Wing Chun in street fight, he permanently damaged the guys throat, damaged the guys left eye and ripped his ears off, it got so bad, he kicked him on the back of his head.

  • @Isnogood12

    @Isnogood12

    Жыл бұрын

    The term is "exaggerating". There is no such thing as overexaggerating. Do you over realize how silly it can over become? :) I know people keep using it, but it's dumb. Don't be dumb. You can be better.

  • @YokaiSteve
    @YokaiSteve Жыл бұрын

    Bruce Lee was the perfect example of "take what is useful, get rid of what is useless" when creating his own form of self defence.

  • @akagetobimaru1994

    @akagetobimaru1994

    Жыл бұрын

    Jeet kune do

  • @sifudominiqueemond6292

    @sifudominiqueemond6292

    Жыл бұрын

    Bruce Lee had HUGE respect for his master Ip Man, and two of Ip Man's students (William Cheung and Wong Shun Leung: Bruce's Si-Hings in Wing Chun). Bruce also told his students that he considered his senior (Si-Hing) William Cheung, to be the best street fighter he'd ever seen. Dan Inosanto admitted so in the Preface of the book 'Bil Jee - The Art of Thrusting Fingers' by William Cheung. Let that sink in. :)

  • @SkinnyBlackout

    @SkinnyBlackout

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sifudominiqueemond6292 You know, knowing a martial art and being a good street fighter are kinda two different things. I mean, it's barely ever a 1 v 1 situation, at some point beer bottles or other scrap at hand comes into play and it usually devolves into a straight up messy brawl in a matter of 10-20 seconds and if you ever fall down your side is probably lost. Also, nobody is immune to being hit from a blind spot.

  • @sifudominiqueemond6292

    @sifudominiqueemond6292

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree. But it still doesn't change what Bruce thought of these people. :)

  • @academyofstreetdance1107

    @academyofstreetdance1107

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@sifudominiqueemond6292 I'm guessing you are William cheung lineage or under him in some form or shape correct?

  • @ellamayo9045
    @ellamayo90458 ай бұрын

    Training martial arts just for fun is so underrated in my opinion. It’s a great hobby! There are so many physical and psychological benefits to it, and it’s a shame to me that so many people see training that doesn’t work for self defense as worthless.

  • @augustine2024

    @augustine2024

    3 ай бұрын

    Why have fun in a “martial art” that doesn’t work when there are many that do work but can give you that same pleasure. Self defense isn’t fun & games real stuff can happen to people you NEED to be learning to defend yourself especially in 2024 not wasting money to have fun when you could do something that is of use

  • @ellamayo9045

    @ellamayo9045

    3 ай бұрын

    @@augustine2024 Because martial arts aren’t for self defense. Keep in mind that fighting is not the same as self defense. Someone who has won 6 fights is good at fighting, but someone who has never fought in their life is good at self defense. Stay out of secluded areas at night. Remain in plain sight. If someone is asking to fight you, refuse. If they try to attack, run. That’s what self defense is. Learning how to fight definitely can be useful, but it only comprises about 5% of self defense. Simply walking to the bus with a friend is far more likely to keep you safe than learning to fight.

  • @TeacherDoug7

    @TeacherDoug7

    3 ай бұрын

    I think Wing Chun can be great for self-defense, if you have a good teacher (like Francis Fong). But people use Wing Chun in boxing matches and then are surprised when they lose to boxers. It's really not designed for the ring, not without some major modifications anyway.

  • @leonardomarquesbellini

    @leonardomarquesbellini

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@austinmanning749 because they won't give you the same pleasure? And martial arts are honestly mostly pointless for self-defense. Practice situational awareness, deescalate and walk armed with at least spray and a taser if you really want a last resort.

  • @m0-m0597

    @m0-m0597

    2 ай бұрын

    martial arts also have the effect of an improved self esteem and that makes you wanting to stand your ground then you can end up in a bad situation, if you only did it for fun

  • @johnwheeler3019
    @johnwheeler30198 ай бұрын

    The trouble is wing chun is being marketed as a self DEFENCE, when in fact it is an attacking art. There are different types of people in this world. Some people are scarred of being attacked, but there is another kind who enjoy fighting. People who go to learn self defence have already lost, as to truly defend yourself you must learn how to attack. But for those who enjoy fighting wing chun is like toolbox. It helps you understand angles and lines of attack. But it requires a certain mindset to work. 99% of people dont have that mindset and no amount of training will ever enable them to overcome an opponent, whos mindset is to do them harm. For 1% its a deadly art, but for the rest its a waste of money. Their best defence would be to work on their confidence and awareness, and avoid fights altogether.

  • @ashirrelevent1062

    @ashirrelevent1062

    8 ай бұрын

    @johnwheeler3019 well said

  • @narudan

    @narudan

    10 күн бұрын

    "People who go to learn self defence have already lost, as to truly defend yourself you must learn how to attack." That´s not true at all, Avoiding a phyiscal conflict is always better than to attack. Even if you attack and win you can hurt yourself. If you run away or simply avoid and de-escalate a sitution you`ll always be superior to any martial art. But sometimes if you are left with no other choice than to fight then sure.

  • @johnwheeler3019

    @johnwheeler3019

    10 күн бұрын

    @@narudan you're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.

  • @narudan

    @narudan

    10 күн бұрын

    ​@@johnwheeler3019 The type of person who doesn`t want to attack someone? sure i`m that. A knife is drawn quicker than any "mindset" you`d think you have to make you able to defend yourself from someone meaning to do you harm. If you think you can defend yourself from someone like that just because you are trained in a martial art i wish you good luck in your delusions and hopefully you never end up in a situation like that.

  • @johnwheeler3019

    @johnwheeler3019

    10 күн бұрын

    I didn't even mention knives, maybe it's you who is delusional

  • @davidpolttila5270
    @davidpolttila5270 Жыл бұрын

    The style of wing chun showcased in the movies is a lot more dynamic than how people practice it in real life. Donny Yen slips punches, covers up for incoming attacks, and employs a lot of strategies outside of the regular curriculum. Of course Donny Yen did the choreography, and has a lot of different styles under his belt.

  • @aquaticlibrary

    @aquaticlibrary

    Жыл бұрын

    Actually Sammo Hung did the choreography for Ip Man. Same for Prodigal Son which was seen as the best Wing Chun movie for ages

  • @davidpolttila5270

    @davidpolttila5270

    Жыл бұрын

    @@aquaticlibrary Oh, well he did a great job. I haven't seen Prodigal Son, but I'd love to see more of Sammo's work. I was bummed out when I ran out of Ip Man to watch.

  • @CedricDur

    @CedricDur

    Жыл бұрын

    Any time we seem a martial art being displayed outside of forms, and I include the many kung-fus and karate and etc, it goes either way: the person is brutally destroyed, OR, the whatever martial art behaves and looks like kickbox. Samey, boring (but tried and tested), both-hands-up-protecting-the-face, straight punches, lateral and frontal kicks. When I say boring I mean the watcher is not caught by any flamboyance, it will look pretty much the same and so there is nothing that says 'ah yes, this is X martial art made for shorter people who fought on boats and hills so they had unstable footing so the movements are shorter', or 'ah yes, Y martial art, the ones who invented this were heavier and taller so they relied on brute force'. It just all looks like kickbox pretty much, and martial arts practioners will *hate* that.

  • @davidpolttila5270

    @davidpolttila5270

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CedricDur I know that, but wing chun specifically doesn't condone high kicks, and Donny Yen kicks people in the face all the time in those films. He uses his whole resume with a wing chun flair for those films. Artistic license. The film wasn't really about wing chun anyway, it was about Ip Man.

  • @wargames2195

    @wargames2195

    Жыл бұрын

    It's honestly just choreographed, fantasy stuff. IRL, there would be grappling and people would be knocked out or dazzled with a huge punch or two. Who doesn't love wuxia fighting tho?

  • @cds5506
    @cds5506 Жыл бұрын

    This is so spot on to my own experience. I trained Wing Chun as my first martial art and thought it was the best and that I was ready to take on anyone. Then a buddy invited me to come along to his BJJ class and it was a massive eye opener. Lots of sparing and they had a kickboxing class to round out the students skills. Made me realise how impractical my skills were training with them for one day.

  • @korranis1

    @korranis1

    7 күн бұрын

    Bjj is a complete different martial art . Can’t compare the two

  • @mpbootcamp7009
    @mpbootcamp700911 ай бұрын

    I studied Kenpo Karate first and then later GJJ but I wanted to try Wing Chun. I felt that the sensitivity drills and training surprisingly improved my ground game. I was able to better feel and focus on the muscle twitches and preemptive movements of my opponent during rolls. Although it wasn't a silver bullet, I do believe that it was a significant improvement for me.

  • @psychomike2235

    @psychomike2235

    11 ай бұрын

    exactly, like Ranton said I feel that Wing Chun is a very useful SUPPLEMENTARY martial arts style to help improve your fighting skills, I just wouldnt recommend it as someone's only style to practice. Plenty of martial arts have incredibly beneficial training tools or techniques, thats why its very useful to study a variety of styles and find the techniques and skills that work the best for you and incorporate all of them together, instead of strictly sticking to one thing

  • @kamikazeblackjack

    @kamikazeblackjack

    6 ай бұрын

    Nice

  • @bmacaulay18
    @bmacaulay189 ай бұрын

    Mike Tyson said it best. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”. 😂😅😂😅😂

  • @kirvedx

    @kirvedx

    Ай бұрын

    And then Buster Douglas knocked him the f#@# out :D

  • @FantasticMario
    @FantasticMario Жыл бұрын

    Ip Man 1 is such a vibe. One of the most satisfying parts of the movie is showing other styles and masters using there fighting styles! You get scenery and atmosphere before the fire nation attacks. It makes you appreciate the beginning so much more!

  • @HolyParsival

    @HolyParsival

    12 сағат бұрын

    W comment

  • @ishaaqmartin3564
    @ishaaqmartin3564 Жыл бұрын

    Having been in a situation involving two attackers with knives in the back of a car, I used all of my training to... Just prevent escalation till I could kick the window out and jump out of the car. Till this day Im thankful for having a truthful and realistic sensei.

  • @ZarrarAli-hj3yj

    @ZarrarAli-hj3yj

    Жыл бұрын

    Nigerundayooo smokey

  • @kaizen5023

    @kaizen5023

    Жыл бұрын

    Smart. Yeah... i have a lot of training & sparring with knives and the sparring teaches you that you don't ever want to be on the other end of a knife. Much better to talk your way out of it and/or run.

  • @Kremit_the_Forg

    @Kremit_the_Forg

    Жыл бұрын

    Whenever the topic of knife "fights" comes around I like to advise the video of the stabbing in a train station in Brisbane in 2022. The whole thing was over in under 10 seconds. Dude got stabbed in the throat and that was it. It happend incredible fast, and I'm sure noone involved had any skill im any sort of martial art. The point is: Avoid a confrontation with a knife at all costs.

  • @dirtyharry5957

    @dirtyharry5957

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Kremit_the_Forg correct Kermit, usually people don't know they have stabbed UNTIL they've been stabbed.

  • @rice.jpg2

    @rice.jpg2

    Жыл бұрын

    Blicky reigns supreme in a fight nobody is bulletproof deescalation is the best strategy unless you’re sure they’re unarmed

  • @EB-im8fu
    @EB-im8fu Жыл бұрын

    As someone who used to practice the art and teach it, you are spot on about the politics, egos and practice methods. Most especially the part when you said AT LEAST attend a session of boxing. Because I did the same thing and several years later, I am now into Boxing(competed), Muay Thai, BJJ and ultimately, MMA. I saw Rokas' video few years back, and like what I said in that video, you guys hit the nail on the head describing the culture of practicing WC. People even invent their own self-defense achievements saying they beat up some thief trying to pick their pockets etc. They are prone to self-aggrandization since they don't spar therefore not being exposed to violence. And they've got egos. Sparring humbles you and determines where you are in the skill hierarchy, which is consistent to most of the gyms I went to. Sparring is crucial in reminding you how much you suck, that you are not that special, keeps your head on the ground.

  • @korranis1

    @korranis1

    7 күн бұрын

    Wing Chun works best when you use it offensively I think.Like hit first hit hard and keep hitting.Good for reflexes and speed.It ends there.

  • @Batman-ue4vo
    @Batman-ue4vo22 күн бұрын

    I hardly ever comment on videos. My attention span is awful and I usually click away. I am hungover as I type this, but I have sat here and watched this video in it's entirety. The way you speak is so engaging and not once was I even distracted by something else. Keep doing what you're doing man, you have a real talent for speaking!

  • @athenovae
    @athenovae Жыл бұрын

    I’m glad my Wing Chun school didn’t advertise at all. LMAO Literally just a bunch of kung fu enthusiasts in a warehouse storage/office district that opens after work and we’d practice Hung Gar Nei Kung, Tai Chi, Choy Lay Fut, and Wing Chun. No nonsense about authenticity or school politics. 🥰 Also the only “advertisement” they did was a morning hour long exercise program for ppl to warm up their bodies like chi kung. No word of martial arts at all. I only found out by word or mouth from my mom who heard the name which had Wing Chun in it. hahahah Update: school closed down a couple years ago and then opened back up but idk what happened after that. It’s been a while 😭. Name is Đông Phương Hội Vịnh Xuân Quyền - Far East Association Wing Chun Kuen

  • @shangjun_

    @shangjun_

    Жыл бұрын

    i meant usually low profile schools don't really need advertise, you just have to understand your ability, not show off. i've seen many kungfu schools promote alot just for the sake of money.

  • @quercusroburx

    @quercusroburx

    Жыл бұрын

    Kinda same here, we have two Sifu in our school, we have Do-in, Qigong, Groundfight, also physical conditioning (Kettlebell), also we learn the usage of staff (the six and half pole only used by those who are experienced, others learn easier northern shaolin forms with smaller length staff), we do sparring, not just chi sao. The teachers really self-defense oriented, and they are always open about what should do, and do not in self defense, how not to get into a fight (so kinda psychology thing), also they borrowed elements from Jeet Kune Do, BJJ, and street fight (not much but there are way effective self defense methods there so they applied them)...In my opinion Wing Chun works, but you need the sparring, to really learn the pak sau and bong sau and the others, also you need physical condition, wing chun ha a lot of tool where you use the attackers force, but if you are in danger a good palm strike can save you life...after that if you have the upper hand you run...

  • @thelastgeneration1926

    @thelastgeneration1926

    Жыл бұрын

    Choy li fut is lethal. Good stuff

  • @raksh9

    @raksh9

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a fantastic school.

  • @e.j.leonard2379
    @e.j.leonard2379 Жыл бұрын

    Not only is the Wing Chun in Ip Man Choreographed, giving an unrealistic idea of it's effectiveness the fact that it's choreography is devised to have Donnie Yen be the performer pushes that illusion even further. Because even compared to other martial arts actors and real fighters, Donnie Yen's is ridiculously charismatic and his hand and foot speed is just obscenely fast. All action choreography is meant to make the hero's style look effective, but Donnie Yen is the master of selling that conceit. I mean, look at the new John Wick movie; Donnie is so good at moving on screen (even now that he's getting old and isn't as quick and dynamic as he used to be) that he can almost make the `blind assassin' trope feel believable, not just with swords but even when they're all using guns! TLDR: Remember that whoever you are you are not Donnie Yen, the actor, let alone the fictionalized version of Ip Man that Donnie Yen portrays.

  • @fdpunchypops7814

    @fdpunchypops7814

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly you're right - I've done Muay Thai - BJJ - Kick boxing. Going fill tilt on a Wing chun proctor they don't hold a candle. The moves they lean go out the window once the kicks - punches and take downs head their way.

  • @lastninjaitachi

    @lastninjaitachi

    Жыл бұрын

    Thats the thing. Donnie yen could make it work because he is crazy skilled martial artist. Anyone else who isnt master level and skilled in multiple styles could never make it work.

  • @delacroixii

    @delacroixii

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lastninjaitachi the thing is, what you just said is insanely idiotic.

  • @lastninjaitachi

    @lastninjaitachi

    Жыл бұрын

    @@delacroixii not really. Your commenting on a video of a guy who is legit a serious martial artist who is saying the same thing.

  • @Grumpum

    @Grumpum

    Жыл бұрын

    Being a student of Wing Chun nearly 40 years ago, the presentation of it in this film series is completely unrealistic. Choreographed is not the word I would use. Fake would be my term. And I have found the art to be very effective. EDIT: The modern instruction of Wing Chun is NOT Wing Chun. I dont know what it actually is, but my instruction included grappling, kicks and punches in concert with evasion and redirection. EDIT@: Even tho I consider it fake, I did enjoy the show. Much the same way I know Avengers is fake. A well told story is always better than a boring one. Fake or not.

  • @natenichols9569
    @natenichols9569 Жыл бұрын

    I love how he talks about self deftin true life threatening situations. I've been in a few (none combative, broken limbs in wilderness scenario) and I can tell you it takes a minute or thirty to come to grips with what is happening and how you can try to survive it. I fell down a cliff in the middle of a new moon night. On the way down jagged rocks stabbed me through the ribs. I landed in shallow water in an a blackberry patch, and when I hit the ground my head was launched backwards into the clifface behind me. I was bleeding and disoriented and every move I tried just dug blackthorns into me. I fought my way out of it, rather stupidly climbed a thirty foot sheer cliff face, and wandered for hours trying to find were I was. I finally caught sight of a ruined building below me and knew I could get cell signal there. Just one of my experiences and I can tell you training does not help much when injury shock and panic start to take over. If I were in unfamiliar territory I doubt my survival.

  • @user-GTTW

    @user-GTTW

    10 ай бұрын

    😨That was a hard time !

  • @neelroy2918

    @neelroy2918

    9 ай бұрын

    That description of event is sh1t scary. Kudos to you for pulling yourself out of that.

  • @thilkar39
    @thilkar395 күн бұрын

    Fantastic video. Thank you. I truly appreciate your honesty, positivity, and philosophy. Spot on.

  • @beast_of_burden7762
    @beast_of_burden7762 Жыл бұрын

    Dude, you should really do a video on the Chinese MMA fighter that destroys fake masters, he’s so interesting

  • @dgooshe

    @dgooshe

    Жыл бұрын

    he did i think

  • @AzukiPsan

    @AzukiPsan

    Жыл бұрын

    He mentioned Xu in one of the fake martial arts video and is interested to do a full video on it. It could be a project in making

  • @peterwang5660

    @peterwang5660

    Жыл бұрын

    @@matthew-2484 the worst that his situation got was getting fined and banned from public transportation by some court, it’s all over now and he’s a mini celebrity in China. He’s subtly indicated many times that he’s a dissident and a liberal. He has hung out with multiple media personalities that are open liberals.

  • @peterwang5660

    @peterwang5660

    Жыл бұрын

    He beat up some frauds, sure authorities got annoyed cause he was stirring shit up. After all, organizing public duels is illegal. I’m glad he did what he did, I am annoyed that now people think the CPC fetishizes Kung Fu, could not be more false, politicians don’t give a shit about martial arts.

  • @Seanw-ij7yx

    @Seanw-ij7yx

    Жыл бұрын

    he's the fake and you're the dummy.

  • @frickxnas
    @frickxnas Жыл бұрын

    I did wing chun for about 13 months. As I had no real experience of other martial arts I can say wing chun has helped me a lot both in my physique but also my ability to fight ( compared to nothing ofc). My school was amazing. We had practice every day (mon-friday) for about 2.5 hours. My sifu was well trained and I knew for a fact he had spent about 5 years in china learning too so he was not taught just in my country. Anyway, the training regime was tough and we had sparring sessions at least twice a week, sometimes even 4. He would also bring athletes from other martial arts to discuss their style and what we could have done to defend against certain moves using wing chun with showcases and some practice too. My sifu had done other styles too so he never claimed wing chun is the god of martial arts or anything and he always said if you can avoid a battle, always do it and not just for your own safety but the safety of others and the environment too. You don't want to go destroy property around you or the day of fellow customers in a shopping centre for example. We were to use it only as our last resort if we could not do anything else. I am sad I had to move town for work. Never had the time nor the trust to go to another school since then, I think there are teachers who are charlatans and promote violence. That said, I might start looking from 2024 as I really miss the training.

  • @userunknown1578

    @userunknown1578

    Жыл бұрын

    Did your sifu have to defeat all the others before opening his martial arts school?

  • @TheMerlet24

    @TheMerlet24

    Жыл бұрын

    @@userunknown1578Lmao 😂

  • @marcoosorio3705

    @marcoosorio3705

    Жыл бұрын

    what a experience! godspeed to you and hte best of lucks finding your right school

  • @frickxnas

    @frickxnas

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marcoosorio3705 thx a lot. I rly wish that too

  • @bestdjaf7499

    @bestdjaf7499

    Жыл бұрын

    Dude, my Wing Chun trainer was short & covered in bruises & was missing teeth.... Wing Chun is about speed & surprised attacks. It's supposed to give advantage to a woman who is attacked by a bigger man. She supposed to swing & hopefully break the nose of the attacker & get away. It's offensive martial arts. It's not about the power. It's about the speed & confusing & disorienting the attacker.

  • @jorgeestevez948
    @jorgeestevez94813 күн бұрын

    I am 64 years old, I began training in Boxing at 12 and at 15 I found a Wing chun class that impressed me to no end. I had attempted to join a Shaolin school located at 34ths street Braoday in Manhattan, but they did not spar at all, Pretty moves, but coming from a boxing back ground, it sucked. However the Wing chun school I joined, with Sifu Duncan Leung, had us sparring on day 1!They especially liked me because of my boxing background. To this day I coach boxing and use many wing chun principles. In a nut shell, I don't care what TMA you practice, if you don't spar, you will never make it work. After my Sifu left the states, every Wing chun school (in fact all Kung fu and Karate) I visited were focused on uniforms and Kata. I was used to punching and getting punched. So I dropped out of martial arts and continued boxing. I still have my wooden dummy and practice wing chun forms. what I have learned is that not every technique is effective every time. Real fighting is chaotic. Also, I feel that Wing chun is more of a grappling art rather than striking, Chi sao works great for me in boxing as I tie up an opponent, and in grappling, the unconventional attacks throw people off, but no technique works great ALL the time. 50 % skill, 50 % luck, 100 % circumstance. Thats real

  • @dragonlordd7894
    @dragonlordd78943 ай бұрын

    I absolutely love you're mentality. Your message is brilliant and honorable. Great video

  • @katamekothriis1613
    @katamekothriis1613 Жыл бұрын

    I actually watched Ip Man fairly recently, and I have to say I absolutely loved it. Donnie Yen did an absolutely amazing job and the fight choreography is some of the best I've seen in any movie. I'm so glad you decided to talk about this amazing film! Also, fun fact, Donnie Yen actually broke one of Mike Tyson's fingers during the fight scene.

  • @EldeNice

    @EldeNice

    Жыл бұрын

    Makes sense, there usually isn't someone dumb enough to strike elbows with the center of their fists instead of first two knuckles.

  • @sirmi9868

    @sirmi9868

    Жыл бұрын

    Donnie thanks God it was only a movie🤣🤣

  • @nUmBskulLL

    @nUmBskulLL

    Жыл бұрын

    Have you seen the raid? Best fight choreography since Ong bak

  • @MD-br2my

    @MD-br2my

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nUmBskulLL watch warrior 2019 series

  • @nUmBskulLL

    @nUmBskulLL

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MD-br2my thank you! Always looking for martial arts films Have you seen Kenshin? It's sword play but it's absolutely brilliant

  • @ap4702
    @ap4702 Жыл бұрын

    During the English dub, I felt physical pain.

  • @miagi1337

    @miagi1337

    Жыл бұрын

    I can tell the german dub is about 1 to 2 leagues better. I also often have the problem with eng dub that it's just too quiet.

  • @seijikun791

    @seijikun791

    Жыл бұрын

    The original with English subtitles is universes better. That's how I watched it, anyway.

  • @bytefu

    @bytefu

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seijikun791 That's how I watch every movie nowadays. I just can't stand the sub-par voice acting done by dubbers 99% of the time. Even if they do their best, the mismatch between voice and lip movements is so obvious that it ruins the immersion.

  • @seijikun791

    @seijikun791

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bytefu The only dubs that do justice to originals are the ones in anime, imo. And even then, it really depends on what you watch.

  • @yeen.7209
    @yeen.720911 ай бұрын

    as a practitioner of historial european martial arts, primarily with italian style rapier (hoping to look into forms of longsword and spanish rapier one day), the contrast between eastern martial arts and european is pretty wild. i can't quite phrase how strange i find it, but it just IS strange when it comes to how these ways of fighting are approached in both learning and application

  • @qwert_au
    @qwert_au12 күн бұрын

    super high quality presentation mate. I hope you have more video-essay style content like this.

  • @chriskrueger8225
    @chriskrueger8225 Жыл бұрын

    I studied many martial arts. Including Wing Chun off and on for 6 years. Last July I started boxing. As a kid and adult I loved watching boxing. Studying it made me have a whole new respect. You just don't know how hard it is! Boxing has definitely improved my fighting ability, and has given me a much greater defense than any martial art has. Not to mention the conditioning and realism. Getting in the ring and sparring with the coaches was a major eye opener!

  • @EldeNice

    @EldeNice

    Жыл бұрын

    Lack of sparring is always the first indicator that you're in a McDojo instead of a real martial arts club. I've been to a Tae Kwon Do club that didn't do sparring when I was younger and the teacher had this huge beer belly. They tended to focus on breaking thin wood planks above anything else to impress the parents and newcomers. A real shit show. Quit after 2 months of that bullshit, went to a better club that did physical conditioning and sparring olympic style. Almost 15 years later I have a drawer full of golden medals from international competitions and I've learned multiple martial arts.

  • @rudyleon7321

    @rudyleon7321

    Жыл бұрын

    i did box for a while and recently got into wing chun . i felt wing chun has improved my boxing with out a doubt .

  • @chriskrueger8225

    @chriskrueger8225

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rudyleon7321 awesome! I absolutely love Wing Chun. It's a beautiful and addicting art. It helped my hand speed, reaction time and short range power. As well as relaxation and being balanced using my left hand almost as good as my right hand. I plan to go back one day. I have an incredible Sifu. He is an amazing martial artist and human being and almost like a Father to me.

  • @bluefox9436

    @bluefox9436

    Жыл бұрын

    That's pretty interesting - I practiced Kickboxing for about 6 years and Wing Chun for about 1 year but my experience was exactly the other way round. I felt like Kickboxing was of course a very strong fighting style but you're extremely dependent on your physical stature - during training I experienced on a regular basis that taller ppl with an equal amount of training just have an insane advantage what frustrated me a lot (I'm barely 1,80m). Wing Chun on the other hand gave me the feeling that it is way more important to train your technique properly and focus on using the right form at the right time. I can't say that I'm really able to fight with Wing chun after practicing it only for 1 year but that's my take on the debate.

  • @chriskrueger8225

    @chriskrueger8225

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bluefox9436 I can't stress enough trying your Wing Chun against other styles. I learned the hard way that it's almost impossible to Pak Sau a really fast jab!

  • @zairemcdonald7342
    @zairemcdonald7342 Жыл бұрын

    The most important lesson that permeates across the movies I've seen is that it's not the martial art, it's the martial artist that matters.

  • @Luchiop

    @Luchiop

    Жыл бұрын

    🤯

  • @Kavafy

    @Kavafy

    Жыл бұрын

    The way you train also matters. And some techniques just don't work in real life.

  • @ramonfernandomirandanoguei365

    @ramonfernandomirandanoguei365

    Жыл бұрын

    And that is BS the martial art does matter, doesn't matter how "good" you are at Aikido, BJJ is more efficient and will always prevail.

  • @bluefox9436

    @bluefox9436

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365 Yeah.... no

  • @tommychappell6359

    @tommychappell6359

    Жыл бұрын

    Fact I don't understand is that ip man could have using southern style. Instead he uses WING CHUN and PROCLAIMS that style doesn't matter. For it is IIIIIII the wing chunner who determines style is not important!!

  • @ashleyb7698
    @ashleyb7698 Жыл бұрын

    I've recently played Sifu and watched Ip man and so had gotten inspired to try a martial art as a method for fitness and focus. This was great insight so I feel prepared for what I'd be getting myself in for and what it's good for and definitely not good for (I hadn't really factored in using it for self defense so it's good to know I wasn't set on that!) There's a school nearby that teaches Wing Chun so i'm planning to visit it in the coming weeks. Thanks very much :D

  • @nitrologicjutsu7593
    @nitrologicjutsu7593 Жыл бұрын

    7:28 lol Nice edits...

  • @Garf2004
    @Garf2004 Жыл бұрын

    I did Wing Chun for about 3 years and always really enjoyed it i was doing more as a way to socialise and keep in shape, the fact that it was martial arts or training how to fight wasn't what brought me in personally. I trained under Master Frank Roach in the UK who trained in china in his 20s then came back to the UK to teach. The big take away from doing it was fight avoidance. "Theres no point getting stabbed over a phone" as he put it. I learnt alot of important life lessons that ive really benefitted from in my life and i dont regret practising at all and would highly recommend to anyone interested in martial arts to give wing chun a try themselves before forming too strong an opinion. Just to also clarify Wing Chun isnt the only martial art ive practised, i also have 2 year experience in Karate and dabbled in boxing a few times.

  • @ThePegasusknight
    @ThePegasusknight Жыл бұрын

    I think it is also worth mentioning that the whole point of Wing Chun (and most other styles of Chinese martial arts) is to eventually be able to fight with the designated weapons. In the case of Wing Chun, the designated weapon is the dual knives. The iconic cyclic punches are more like cyclic stabs and this is also why traditional Wing Chun guard stance is at chest level instead of being at head level (there's not much to stab if you put your guard at head level). In other words, unlike MMAs, Kung Fu is not designed for fights in round cages. Also, since the mass introduction of firearms in modern China, the need for practicing fighting with melee weapons has gradually decreased, meaning that modern day Kung Fu is most likely a watered down version of the traditional Kung Fu, which was used to kill people. So to summarize, the punching and kicking that you see from modern Kung Fu are nothing but the training wheels that are supposed to eventually come off, and not moves are designed to be thrown around in a MMA fighting cage. Also, given that people are no longer really fighting with swords and spears, Kung Fu has been watered down over the years and has become more like a set of physical exercises rather than a set of killing moves for real fights.

  • @RomanBelisarius

    @RomanBelisarius

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, no wonder in Ip Man 3 the fights Donnie's "Ip Man" had with the other Wing Chun master flowed seamlessly into dual (short) blades as if wielding them was integral to the martial art, although ofc that's also excellent choreography at work.

  • @Frzned9x

    @Frzned9x

    11 ай бұрын

    >Wing Chun, the designated weapon is the dual knives That make it sounds worse, not better. Wing Chun stance is foot forward without defending your bottom half, when you use something that short range as knives, it's so open to you getting sliced in the leg by a weapon longer than 2 centimeter, and spear is completely deadly against this shit. >there's not much to stab if you put your guard at head level There's a fuck lot to stab if you put your guard at head level, including but not limited to: foot, knee, thighs, stomach, liver, penis etc. The entire bottom half is free for all against wing chun practicioners, esp when you fucking step your foot forward. Actual dual knives wielder drop their stance down and have their foot behind them so they can guard their entire body with their knives and lunge forward for more reach against higher ranged weapons, like say... a sword One stupid argument people made is wing chun is designed for on boats combat hence the weird foot forward stance. Newsflash, people dont fight on top of small boats, they shoot arrow from afar and try to sink other people boats. See the Bach Dang battle where the Mongol-Chinese force got completely sunk without being able to fight back. Because their "Wing Chun" dont actually prepared them for a real naval battle.

  • @derrickcham9747

    @derrickcham9747

    11 ай бұрын

    hey great insight dude, i didn't know this

  • @DarkwarriorJ

    @DarkwarriorJ

    9 ай бұрын

    Baji from the North descends from Ming dynasty spearmen, and the style builds up to spear - but also, I suspect a lot of it comes down to 'soldier came back to hometown, got beaten up by local drunk, got real pissed and decided to figure out how to make his weapons style useful enough to beat up the local drunk and a lot of fighting ideas directly translate anyways'. Wing Chun may be similar - might be build up to butterfly swords; might be the other way around; might be both.

  • @Nickfooker
    @Nickfooker10 ай бұрын

    I was kinda lucky that my Wing Chun class (which I took for a few months) did have sparring on a regular basis. Some former students even implemented kickboxing into their pratice, and they came every now and then to spar. It's still really limited type of sparring, but it's better than nothing.

  • @nicholasgreen339

    @nicholasgreen339

    5 ай бұрын

    Wing chun sparring is limited Bcause hardly anyone knows Original Wing chun .. IP Man developed his own Wing chun Made the first form static.. When it was originally mobile Like the other Wing chun forms It's actually still taught in Taiwan and Malaysia And It's on KZread Iv done Wing chun ..not all Wing chun organisations Bother with sticking hands ..some no 3 forms Others no more than 3 forms Kickboxing uses the training methods that traditional styles decided to no longer use lol After all K1 Kickboxing got it fitness training from Okinawn karate The Japanese were impressed by tbe fitness Okinawan guys had So they took karate to Japan . And developed Japanese karate Shaolin kung fu Isn't a style ..its a place where you learned many different Chinese styles Long fist kung fu is the root of most Chinese styles And the different styles of long fist were put together to create shaolin. ..all tbe throws in judo and mma Is what kung fu used to teach.. But I don't no what happened... Muay thai Is simply the application of Tai chi .. Tai chi was Chinese military combat But now it's Used for meditation

  • @roshansharma2282
    @roshansharma2282Ай бұрын

    Talking about "don't let anyone argue you out of your own personal enjoyment of something" is just the best advice! Thank you!

  • @mawnkey
    @mawnkey Жыл бұрын

    I spent 10 years in wing chun starting before the movies came out. I was fortunate the school I was at was very pragmatic, even having us spend time on ground game with jiu jitsu and encouraging us to learn and integrate ideas from other schools once we hit the mid levels. I found it to be an excellent first art to build a foundational understanding of fighting and encourage anyone to take it up, but the best self-defense will always be the following: 1) a cool head never looking for a fight 2) good situational awareness 3) good negotiation skills 4) good athletic footwear 5) a concealed handgun

  • @riden30
    @riden30 Жыл бұрын

    I started doing wing chun when I was around 17 or 18, and did it for about 3 or 4 years, and I absolutely loved it, we actually did quite a bit of sparring and my Sifu was big on learning the philosophy and applying it to life and not just fighting, but also being very practical while fighting as well, I’d would absolutely go back if I had the chance, also some of those exercises/workouts we did were pretty unique and have stayed with me till this day

  • @moustachio334

    @moustachio334

    Жыл бұрын

    K.

  • @josephwanjiku6853

    @josephwanjiku6853

    Жыл бұрын

    Is Wing Chun training for all ages ?

  • @osuplaeyurreallygood

    @osuplaeyurreallygood

    Жыл бұрын

    @@moustachio334 What is the point in saying anything if this is all you have to say?

  • @millionsofideas
    @millionsofideas3 ай бұрын

    I love how you speak truth and don’t care what anyone thinks. I fully agree with everything you’ve pointed out. Keep the Amazon content coming. Just got yourself a new subscriber!

  • @mgranoff1959
    @mgranoff19598 ай бұрын

    12:10 I just came across your video and really enjoyed it. Thanks for your honest and reality based perspective! Very refreshing. I’ve be a student of traditional Okinawan Karate for about 50 years (Uechi-Ryu), and simply for the reason that it’s the only form of exercise that ever captured my imagination. I simply love training in it. And while there are numerous benefits in narrow and deep training in this discipline, there is no better way to keep oneself safe than understanding how to simply avoid physical altercation in the first place. I’ve been fascinated by Wing Chun from the Ip Man movies as well, and have considered learning more about it. Thanks so much for this commentary! Was excellent and really helpful.

  • @AscendantStoic
    @AscendantStoic Жыл бұрын

    Serious Ranton is like a completely different person from Rantoni-Pepperoni we get in game reviews .. when you see him you know he deeply cares about the subject of the video, excellent video as usually and very well-made points.

  • @inquisitive6786

    @inquisitive6786

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao

  • @ironmamba3
    @ironmamba3 Жыл бұрын

    You are a true scholastic warrior who has understood, embraced and applied the essence of martial arts and self cultivation. Keep up the incredible work.😊

  • @NorthernCaliBullyOutlaws
    @NorthernCaliBullyOutlaws14 күн бұрын

    I’ve always admired Ip-Man ever since I was a teenager, & I’m now in my 40’s & finally am able to starting to learn Traditional Wing-Chun.

  • @MG007.
    @MG007. Жыл бұрын

    The only Martial Art you need to master is Hokuto Shinken

  • @deathsmage42
    @deathsmage42 Жыл бұрын

    These videos are always incredible to me. Not only are they informative and entertaining (both as a movie review and as a light dissection of martial arts) but they provide an interesting lens into the Ranton behind the Game Review persona. Thanks for sharing your insights, Rantoni.

  • @chipkornrumpf6318
    @chipkornrumpf6318 Жыл бұрын

    Very accurate and honest review that many people need to hear. Against the untrained fighter it can be of some advantage, but against a skilled fighter in a host of other forms of fighting and self-defense it's nothing like the movies. My Sensei once told me the best fight is the one that never takes place. 🙏🏻

  • @chinto50

    @chinto50

    Жыл бұрын

    Interestingly enough a fight between different styles does not decide which style is best. the Winner of a fight simply is "a superior fighter". be it in better shape,, or better trained, or at the very least is better at his style than the opponent was of his style. Boxers refer to "a glass jaw". did you know there is the opposite of that. " head as hard as a rock". so there are those you can drop with out much effort and those that you can hit with full force, on the money , perfect mechanics and the turn their head back to you and say" is that all you got". .. NOW that is intimidating. LOL

  • @donferoce5652

    @donferoce5652

    Жыл бұрын

    "the best fight is the one that never takes place." What a ridiculous extrapolation of "best way to avoid punch, no be there" from Karate Kid II, meaning get out of the way, not avoid the fight. (though "prevent having to fight" was Miyagi's main message) According to that logic, the best sex is that which never takes place.

  • @h2q8

    @h2q8

    Жыл бұрын

    @@donferoce5652 sex hurts you? lmao

  • @jo3hamilton
    @jo3hamilton9 ай бұрын

    I’ve watched your videos before, and it was THIS one that got me to sub! Wish more people had this take, everyone should watch this

  • @michellem7290
    @michellem72902 ай бұрын

    Detect, avoid, and de-escalate danger… “the best fights are the ones we avoid”… this needs to be taught in public schools… and universities… and to policymakers

  • @dandi1887
    @dandi1887 Жыл бұрын

    So funny to see the chaotic madness in him during game reviews... And then, there are these videos. Pure wisdom and respect. I love it.

  • @A_Moustached_Sock
    @A_Moustached_Sock Жыл бұрын

    About the same how I've felt on it throughout my own ongoing Martial Arts journey. I started with western styles in HEMA, learning Ringen, empty hand fighting by Fiore, as well as training with arming sword, round shield, spear, so on and so forth. It helped starting there a lot because there are so many different styles that just fall under the umbrella term of HEMA. So it helped me learn fairly early on that just about every martial art has something to glean from and should be treated as just another tool in your toolbelt. If you practice just one thing and never even consider another style then you're just setting yourself up for failure.

  • @gengotaku
    @gengotakuАй бұрын

    Cool video man!! I don´t think I'll ever practice wing chun, because I'm already practicing 4 martial arts (judo, gojuryu karate , aikikai aikido and Tomiki aikido. However, I think it´s important to distinguish LEARNING a martial art and USING IT for self-defense. Here in Japan we just practice because we like, but nobody ever talks about using it. Only one time my aikido teacher said that one should avoid confrontation and only use if there´s no way of getting away.謝謝你

  • @fredericpotvin2955
    @fredericpotvin29559 ай бұрын

    Ah man. Thanks for that review. Loved your games reviews and I started learning Wing Chun this year mainly as a fitness tool. When I was starting to wonder if that would actually be useful in a real fight I immediately went to boxing and Muay Tai. You kinda confirm all of this. Still, I never faught a single fight in my entire life and it'll probably stay like that so whatever :) Just enjoy what you train!

  • @masteryourmind2760
    @masteryourmind2760 Жыл бұрын

    As you pointed out, nothing wrong doing Wing Chun or any other physical training. The mindset and the goal behind matters. I learned Karate and Tae Kwon Do and from my experience, it works fine with an opponent who is doing the same stuff. On the street, very rarely I had a profit from my knowledge. You said it perfectly. when basic insticts like fear kicks in, the world looks completely different. And it's normal as under training conditions these circiumstances don't get applied and of course shouldn't.

  • @letsgobrandoniagree6803

    @letsgobrandoniagree6803

    Жыл бұрын

    I think boxing and jujitsu are the 2 arts that actually work in the real world.

  • @lightinferno4490

    @lightinferno4490

    Жыл бұрын

    Half of learning to fight is adrenaline control.

  • @anthonyfisher9413

    @anthonyfisher9413

    Жыл бұрын

    This is why we train so we don't have to think when your body knows what to do fear aside you will protect yourself. As a survivor of some brutal beat downs I thank my teachers for showing me how to survive.

  • @Kcaedenn

    @Kcaedenn

    9 ай бұрын

    Half true, I think when it comes to unarmed combat, military combat comes first (which yes, use boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, etc.) but u gotta take into account you can gouge people’s skin and eyes as well as bite off flesh from each other in true unarmed combat. Besides, this “true unarmed combat” isn’t even real world combat because of so many other factors. But yeah, boxing and bjj would definitely help you better in a real world situation than wing chun

  • @ezekielgarza1150

    @ezekielgarza1150

    8 ай бұрын

    You should pressure test it if your training for survival. For me there is levels of pressure. Thats what keeps you level headed.

  • @williamdobbins3131
    @williamdobbins3131 Жыл бұрын

    When my son was studying JKD, i appreaciated the Sifu never bad mouthed any other style or school. He was also clear to the students that, no matter how good you are, a fight will hurt you.

  • @abdulhalabi3716
    @abdulhalabi37169 ай бұрын

    done with care,love and respect! more power to you brother! As Bob Jones from Aus used to say 'get to reality'. respect

  • @jasoncot777
    @jasoncot7778 сағат бұрын

    Fantastic perspective. Thank You.

  • @BrianBieger-yk8vg
    @BrianBieger-yk8vg Жыл бұрын

    I enjoy how you encourage practitioners to expose themselves to other styles. I do wish you would have touched on how we can see the successful points of the philosophy of Win Chun, as well as the tactical concepts, and I believe investigation into the successes of other styles will eventually lead one to understand the strengths and weaknesses of one's own. Great video!

  • @aldousroot363
    @aldousroot363 Жыл бұрын

    I love how you can take the no BS approach to martial arts. Appreciate it for what it is, and when it can help, but also the reality of it’s effective in real life. Amazing.

  • @user-zp7xe9wg7e
    @user-zp7xe9wg7e3 ай бұрын

    What a wonderfully candid perspective!

  • @mikegeld1280
    @mikegeld12807 ай бұрын

    This guy is chill af though 👍good content

  • @engine2truck6
    @engine2truck6 Жыл бұрын

    USKBA kickboxer, I did study Wing Chun for a dedicated year. Every point made by this man is SPOT ON. Actually did incorporate some techniques in the ring, but only occasionally- and with some success. This channel is awesome, and I am SUBSCRIBED!!!!

  • @neemotho2627
    @neemotho2627 Жыл бұрын

    Ranton I love watching your videos about Martial Arts. There’s no bias and you always say the pros and cons. Gives people like me who aren’t trained whatsoever an insight into the fighting world 👌🏻

  • @JosephEGlaser
    @JosephEGlaser2 ай бұрын

    i trained in WC after other arts, and I was one of the few people that sparred outside of Chi Sao and drills. Most of them were people who also knew Karate, boxing, or TKD. That was extremely helpful and made things a lot more real. If you do WC...SPAR, and train more like a boxer or old school MA that involve CONTACT. Lift weights, get in shape and interact with other MA styles. When applied properly, WC principles allow for a wide array of effective applications, and remember...whether you believe it was made up by a nun or by Chinese revolutionaries, it was purportedly invented to defeat more "traditional" MA styles. So maximize your physical capabilities, and find a WC school that makes it REAL. If they dont, move on.

  • @johnchrysostomou9417
    @johnchrysostomou9417 Жыл бұрын

    Superb video .

  • @Ninja0608
    @Ninja0608 Жыл бұрын

    Yes! Absolutely love your take on this. As a Wing Chun practitioner myself for many many years, what I can tell is that Wing Chun itself is great when sparring or even fighting people that don't know much about fighting. When I try to use it during training at a martial arts gym such as kickboxing or muay Thai, I have much greater difficulty haha. The concepts are definitely sound though! Just tough to apply in modern combat I'd say.

  • @aaronmorrison8050
    @aaronmorrison8050 Жыл бұрын

    6:47 Reminds me of the old quote by funnily enough a man who appears in this video Mike Tyson when asked if he was worried about his upcoming fight against Evander Holyfield. "Everyone Has a Plan Until They Get Punched in the Mouth" No truer words have been spoken.

  • @markomarkovic2783
    @markomarkovic2783 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent, excellent advice, bravo!

  • @michaelcole506
    @michaelcole5065 ай бұрын

    I’ve had the OVERWHELMING pleasure of training with a teacher of (real) Taijiquan, and I’ll say straightaway, there IS a reason for practicing solo forms. This person was an amazing martial artist and was not a show off. The only time they’d put you in your place is if you challenged their ability. They weren’t afraid to get hit. A truly rare experience for me that I’ll never forget! Too many people think that what they see in a solo form is how you’ll look when in combat. Wrong. When we practiced push hands, this teacher’s movement looked nothing like the form. They felt like they were fast but it was due to the fact they ONLY attacked what was closest to them. They also felt different during grappling situations. The best way I can describe it is like bending a tree branch that won’t break yet you can feel that it’s about to slip and hit you back. You’d either get tossed out, or struck in a manner that wasn’t damaging. And they could strike like a MF’er, and from zero distance. That being said, they trained form AND partnered practice. You will definitely build root, strength, and power from solo form alone BUT you must practice with others to learn how to see intent. I fear many martial arts have had their partnered practice omitted due to teachers of old not wanting to share the art even though it appears they are. And now the world is left with watered down systems. All real systems will have a form (maintains good body structure), partnered practices (tests structure and teaches appropriate responses), and weapon training (helps practice delivering power).

  • @murdurmuffin7872
    @murdurmuffin7872 Жыл бұрын

    Whoa man you really decided to practice your kicks on the bee tree. Thanks for your honesty, it's helped me make a decision regarding my own training. I've incorporated some very basic Wing Chun concepts into my other systems and it's been quite helpful for conserving my endurance, counter-attacks, and even avoiding getting locked up in grapples, but I found out very quickly that it did nothing except stall the tide when I faced bigger opponents (I'm 6'1 lol). A supplementary implementation with stress testing is definitely a better approach than faith in any one system. Tools in the box, not the toolbox.

  • @SAGERUNE
    @SAGERUNE Жыл бұрын

    I encountered this style at a very impressionable age, and i had a lot of resistance to it in the beginning, over time i learned many things that could be considered wing chun, but it was never pressure tested until i took myself out of the school and had to encounter other systems. I found that there WERE useful methods and mindsets in wing chun, especially in the trapping clinch and elbow department, but i had to actually spar to figure that out on my own after separating and reflecting. It was never ever going to come up inside the classes, nobody was ever going to get hurt and learn the more hard earned valuable lessons.

  • @ChuckVorheis
    @ChuckVorheis5 ай бұрын

    Some of the best info i have heard in 50yrs in the arts thx

  • @huhububu
    @huhububu Жыл бұрын

    5:30 after 5 years of thai boxing, 2 years of wing chun helped me understand better what i was actually doing, just like wushu helped me in the coordination and flexibility of my kicks. I then tryed out many other styles of fighting. It almost feels like i was somehow disabled before i startet doing more than one martial art XD. And then i realised that i was subconsciously finding my own style of doing stuff. Its like a child that learns to walk or speak. Its walking and talking sure, but its not like adults walk and talk.

  • @taliesine.8343
    @taliesine.8343 Жыл бұрын

    I started training wing chun with 12 and did so for 4 years. The classes I went to where hardly a martial arts class. They where seriously informative courses. We had a really nice trainer who sometimes took us to get Ice cream. On the way she would ask us questions, how we would react, if a stranger strated talking to us. Where would we stand in relation to a car if they asked us to come closer? In the front ofcourse! If you approach them from behind, they can easily open the door and grab you. She always emphisized, that if we have a funny feeling walking down a street, change the roadside, go a different way. If you are in a fight and you see a potential escape route, use it! Nothing else matters. If you see knives? Run! Always scream and try to make a scene when you are in such a situation. We had drills, where one was lying on the ground and you had to prevent a group of people from coming close to you. We had pads and all that and actually tried really hard to pounce on the person lying on the ground. In between there where obviously form drills. We all knew this is not how you are supposed to fight in a fight. They where just there to generally train your body awareness. For me as a child and teen it helped me a lot to feel safer. I was bullied in school and just felt unsave. I never had to get in a real fight and I hope to keep it that way: I really feel like it has made me more aware of my surroundings and being able to deascalete situations or just leaving before they happen. The courses I went to really tried to make an effort to make kids more aware.

  • @petergatsinos3260
    @petergatsinos32605 ай бұрын

    Great video,thanks

  • @danothebananovitch9678
    @danothebananovitch96786 ай бұрын

    I had hoped that he would analyze more the technique itself that Wing Chun schools (particularly driven by the teachings of Wong Shun-leung) teach you, but I only see (conflating with) Kung Fu from films, that is not what it is in real life, far from it. It is not the case that weight no longer matters when you use Wing Chun, but you will be amazed at how much force you can exert without being strong yourself if you use the right technique and more speed and efficiency of movement and 'guiding' your opponents attacks away can certainly work to your advantage. In Wing Chun training we also sometimes try to imitate a scenario of a boxer attacking you, the idea (or one of the ideas) is simply that when such a person strikes out, he makes the shape of a 'half moon' with his arm from the side, i.e. from the outside , but if you stand ready as a Wing Chunner with your arms in the right way, you can hit him and push him away before he even has a chance to hit you with his fist because you simply cover a shorter distance via the centerline (one of the core principles of Wing Chun). My sifu also combined a Wing Chun school with a boxing school, so I think he also has a lot of experience in that. Ranton does make a good point though that you have to be careful that Wing Chun gives you too much confidence too quickly and then you take more risks which can cost you dearly, it is indeed good to recognize what the limitations are of Wing Chun and not think that because you have taken some Wing Chun classes that you can take on the whole world. Though this applies to every martial art in principle, but especially to Wing Chun because it is true that Wing Chun takes longer to get to a level where it is sufficient for self-defense simply because there is so much technique involved, so you're also more likely to do something wrong, but if you master it all well it is certainly a good martial art for self-defense on it's own (although obviously a combination of multiple martial arts is better), untill then your best bet is to run in most cases of being attacked.

  • @nikolaijahn1873
    @nikolaijahn1873 Жыл бұрын

    12 minutes of truth on point. For real: I couldn't agree more !!!

  • @minizamorak
    @minizamorak Жыл бұрын

    id love to see more of just reviewing classic kung fu movies and having your thoughts on opinions on them (even comedy ones like kung fu hustle which is secretly my favorite)

  • @taeharte7501
    @taeharte7501 Жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @NarenA
    @NarenA5 күн бұрын

    I love the honesty!

  • @RiceFieldsYT
    @RiceFieldsYT Жыл бұрын

    Okay now I want to see a Kung-Fu Panda video-essay as well, because I am very curious if the movie did the portrayal of Kung Fu, Chinese culture and philosophy right. Of course I want to know your personal opinion on it as well. Funny enough it is also one of the many movies alongside Shaolin (2011) and The Karate Kid (2010) that made me to start practicing Shaolin Kung Fu.

  • @userunknown1578

    @userunknown1578

    Жыл бұрын

    In real life, pandas just sit around watching panda porn all day while trainers try to get them to breed... They don't actually practice kung-fu, unfortunately.

  • @WingChunCouncil
    @WingChunCouncil Жыл бұрын

    Finally a very good traditional kung-fu fighter with a real experience in chinese traditions that speak clearly about this beautiful martial art destroyed by business and ignorance, thank you! I made a video 2 years ago where I say many things according to your words...and I fight every day to promote a more honest and concrete practice. I will also share your video on my Facebook page. Thank you very much. Good luck 🍀🙏

  • @kirilsavov3927
    @kirilsavov392710 ай бұрын

    This is a great video full of good advice, 100% true! Hopefully, it will reach and help a lot of people who need orientation in the martial arts world.

  • @KimusubiKieldrecht
    @KimusubiKieldrecht8 ай бұрын

    Great video. respect.

  • @9sunskungfu
    @9sunskungfu Жыл бұрын

    I trained wing chun for 4 years and you are absolutely right and my sifu knew this as well and it is why he also trained us with Muai tai as well as boxing. He was a south pacific champion kickboxer and 1977 taekwondo champion in australia. He trained many forms of martial arts mostly chinese styles as he is from Guandong china. He incorporated what worked as he was an experienced street fighter having been a bouncer for a number of years. It also inspired me to branch out and learn from other styles too. But i especially enjoyed my time learning from my original sifu.

  • @DanielQtl
    @DanielQtl Жыл бұрын

    I practiced Wing Chun for about 3 years or so during my teenage years but my master had us do sparring and learn things from other styles as well: We did a bit of Shaolin for resistance and stretching, Sanda for kicking Qina for grappling I think it was, Muay Thai, breathing techniques, etc and we'd gather in a circle and fight until one of us got knocked to the floor. It was around 9 or 10 years ago but I feel I learnt a lot and I value, respect and wanna keep learning Wing Chun in the future, not thinking it is the best in itself but with a mix what it does lack.

  • @dturner6332

    @dturner6332

    Жыл бұрын

    0888

  • @angelma9087
    @angelma90874 ай бұрын

    Gracias, lo necesitaba 😢

  • @gnmg
    @gnmg11 ай бұрын

    Ich guck deine Videos gern, nicht nur wegen der Infos zu Kampfsport/Kampkunst, auch wegen deinem guten English. Ich kann sagen: Ich lerne jedes mal was bei dir! EHRE, Hut ab, Gefällt mir sehr gut!!!

  • @boltdm8238
    @boltdm8238 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. I'm surprised not enough people talk about this. Like, I watch videos about martial arts from time to time, and almost no one criticizes wing chun. Even if it's an overly critical channel about martial arts, they often go like "well, we don't know all secrets of this martial art founded by an actor, so I guess it's really strong and powerful and probably works." Like, dude.

  • @KJ_Styles

    @KJ_Styles

    Жыл бұрын

    Really?! I feel that Wing Chun is one of if not the most hated and frowned upon martial arts. Period.

  • @Djmesshow
    @Djmesshow2 ай бұрын

    Your video is The Best Fighting Info, Ever!!!!!! THANKS SIFi❤

  • @outway10
    @outway10 Жыл бұрын

    I love seeing this video and hearing your input and thoughts. I couldn’t agree more, for karate/martial arts as a whole. There are many practices in my local area, mainly taekwondo dojos That don’t spare at all. Blows my minds.

  • @NevRS32
    @NevRS32 Жыл бұрын

    As a kyokushin karateka, what I believe is the greatest benefit is the growing confidence, so can keep calm and then you can be able to detect, avoid and/or deescalate a dangerous situation. Obviously being able to take a hit if necessary is a plus.

  • @terencebanyahudah5691
    @terencebanyahudah5691 Жыл бұрын

    I agree in most of what you said brother. I am a Level 9 provisional instructor of Wing Chun. I can attest to the fact that having additional disciplines increase your chances of success in the real world. Thankfully, I have study some Karate, Chinese Kickboxing and Tae kwon do. These skills have saved me a few times on the streets. No fight is the same. I always tried to walk away or de-escalate. Most times it works (95%). Great content brother. I will close with this…I wish I had learned BJJ. Very effective ground art.

  • @shogoracing4294

    @shogoracing4294

    Жыл бұрын

    What’s stopping you from learning BJJ now? It looks like you’ve taken interest in it.

  • @terencebanyahudah5691

    @terencebanyahudah5691

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shogoracing4294 I am actually looking into it now. Hopefully I can find a good school in Jacksonville, FL

  • @shogoracing4294

    @shogoracing4294

    Жыл бұрын

    @@terencebanyahudah5691 That’s cool. May you enjoy your experience and get the most out of the training. 🙏🏽 My background is primarily in Karate (Shotokan, and a hybrid system), Xingyi Quan, Taekwondo, dabbled in boxing, and have a little BJJ experience. Now I’m looking to learn BJJ (Gi + No-Gi) and Muay Thai. Btw, have you ever done any western boxing? I always thought that it might work quite well with Wing Chun.

  • @luismaldonado1041
    @luismaldonado10412 ай бұрын

    I admire your honesty.

  • @eduardoreyes_nqn
    @eduardoreyes_nqn Жыл бұрын

    great video!

  • @truevinister6278
    @truevinister6278 Жыл бұрын

    I have a very similar experience with Aiki-jutsu. The style I trained had many similarities to Aikido and Hapkido, including a high emphasis on small joint manipulations and virtually no sparring. Training in that style for 5 years, I could say it wasnt very practical, and it most likely wouldn't work against a competent attacker. I quit training it about 2 years ago to begin training in primarily BJJ and a bit of Freestyle Wrestling. I recently revisited the aiki-jutsu with some old friends and found that some of the techniques were more functional than I originally thought, and that I was even able to use some of the small joint locks in sparring. The sparring and physical skills I am learning in BJJ allow me to implement some more of the traditional things. I know martial arts journey is finding similar results.

  • @watamutha

    @watamutha

    Жыл бұрын

    I always say the combat sports like MMA are like the macro and other traditional martial arts are like the micro in combat. The macro makes much more of a difference in most fights but the micro can determine the outcome between 2 macro guys and also teach you a bunch of cool little things about combat.

  • @yassirelgazari4497
    @yassirelgazari4497 Жыл бұрын

    Three months ago, I began boxing. As a fan of Bruce Lee and Ip Man movies, I idolized their impressive fighting skills, believing them to be the strongest individuals capable of defeating legends like Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali. However, my own martial arts experience was limited to just two years of kung fu when I was eight years old. As I grew older, I became more drawn to boxing, perhaps because I was perceived as weak by others. Finally, when I turned 14, I decided to take my first boxing session on November 27th 2022 after months of persistent nagging to my parents. That single experience completely transformed my perception of fighting. After leaving that boxing session, I was struck with the realization that I wanted to become a boxer myself. Currently, I train three times a week and plan to start my amateur career soon. I strongly recommend anyone who has not trained in martial arts before to give boxing a try, as it may become a passion of yours.

  • @neurocriptico

    @neurocriptico

    Жыл бұрын

    Based kid

  • @bestdjaf7499

    @bestdjaf7499

    Жыл бұрын

    Dude, boxing is very unhealthy sport. Some people become clinically paranoid, like someone is going to punch them any second now. Deep sited eye sockets.... Perpetually moving & behaving like they are constantly in a boxing match. Some become clinically angry & violent. You see how Tyson or Ali or bunch of MMA guys act. It's kind of mixture of fear & rage. It's like they are terrified of being punched & they deal with it by being psycho aggressive. My cousin became psycho aggressive from boxing. He was totally normal kid. "Good" family & relatively privileged upbringing. Then he went into boxing & he almost killed a couple of guys. He would be in jail & double crazy, but his family had connections.... Very few can stay normal.

  • @bestdjaf7499

    @bestdjaf7499

    Жыл бұрын

    If you are taking boxing, don't go professional. Even professional guys are pointing out that sparing is dangerous & not a good idea. Too much of the head injuries. Don't even go semi-professional. It's just too much damage. There is no need for that.

  • @neurocriptico

    @neurocriptico

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bestdjaf7499 cringe

  • @bestdjaf7499

    @bestdjaf7499

    Жыл бұрын

    @@neurocriptico You obviously didn't take boxing. What is cringe is Tyson or Ali or my cousin ... being legit lunatics. Look at the Tyson or Ali interviews. They are mentally unstable. You literally can see fear & rage in there eyes.

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