Great video and appreciate the mention...all these "influencers" hate being called out cause it's bad for business...they'll do anything to protect their "brand" including lie, cheat, and steal

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

They always follow the same cycle, attack, deflect and then apologise

Dan I'm glad you report this stuff and inform people of the fraudulent activities in this hobby.

In the words of the immortal Vince Lombardi… What the hell is going on out there!!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if something is insured, lost or stolen, and the insurance company pays out for it, then doesn't the insurance company then have ownership if found / recovered?

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

From my understanding that’s correct but the provenance of this card is a little confusing. It’s why when you’re in the possession of stolen goods you can’t sell or dispose of the item

@rufrydrmw

Ай бұрын

USPS does run auctions with lost goods that they now own. Just an fyi.

Most importantly, I'm happy for Enrico. The stolen/lost discussion is still interesting, as this Jordan and a few others weren't among the original lot that resurfaced. Will be interesting to watch that video, and see if anything new is revealed.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Keen to hear from Enrico on it all.

People have a lot of opinions in here, but I bet they'd feel a lot differently if it was a high end card they legally purchased and were now being asked to essentially give it back to somebody else. It's a lot easier to ask somebody else to give away or deeply discount something that isn't theirs. It's an unfortunate situation (obviously), but the previous owner already got paid out by insurance and the statute of limitations is already well passed (it's 5-7 years for this type of situations in most states), so he has no legal (or moral, being that he already got paid out by insurance) claim for the card. I understand him wanting it back since the value has gone up so much since he was paid out, but he has no legal claim at all.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

If he has no legal claim then why is it still part of an ongoing lawsuit? It sucks for everyone involved, I don’t think people are questioning that, it’s more the way in which people are moving despite an active lawsuit in place etc

@jimteja

Ай бұрын

@@DanTheCardMan2 I could sue you right now for that model car that's been sitting behind for you years that's clearly yours and say that it's really mine. It would then be part of an active lawsuit until courts clear the situation up. Maybe things are different in your country and you're not used to how the US court system works, but anyone can sue anyone for anything and make any object part of an ongoing lawsuit very easily, despite how ridiculous it is. Also, assuming he did get an insurance payout for the lost/stolen property from the shipping carrier, then I'm pretty sure him trying to double dip can even get him in trouble. Once you get paid out by insurance, the matter is considered finished as far as legal ownership goes and if the item did happen to show up, the insurance company that paid him out has more of a legal claim to the item than the previous owner does.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

@@jimteja I don’t think he did get an insurance payout which is why PG paid to release the card

@jimteja

Ай бұрын

@@DanTheCardMan2 If that's the case, then I stand corrected. I just don't see a world where someone ships a stack of high end Jordans into a grading company, but doesn't have the package insured. If it was insured and the package was lost within the carrier's system, there is no way they didn't pay that out. I personally ship around 7,000 packages per year with various carriers and the only time their insurance doesn't pay out is when it's something questionable about delivery to the correct address or if there's something questionable about a damaged item. If it just disappears or is delivered to the wrong address, they're always going to pay out. I think there's more to this story and he's just trying to leverage the good intentions of other collectors to get back a card that he knows deep down isn't his anymore. If he did get paid out, the situation is over. If he didn't get paid out because of neglecting to insure his package, then he deserves to lose them for trying to save a few bucks on shipping. I'm happy to be wrong on this one, but I just don't see a possible scenario that doesn't align with one of these.

Most cards are insured when shipped to any grading company. There’s a good chance he was compensated for the lost cards. Also lost packages are auctioned or sold in lots to the public. I know people who have bought these lots and they contained graded cards and raw cards. These cards have probably changed hands a few times. I doubt Prizm Gawd was the original buyer. Once you purchase lost packages you legally own them. I have had cards delivered to wrong address and never got them. I had video evidence of the cards with serial numbers. My neighbor 4 houses down got the package. He sold the cards locally on Facebook group and there was nothing I could do even though I had video of cards with matching numbers. Usps and police said unless he admits to it and gives them back there’s nothing they can do.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Check out the blowout thread, this has been discussed for many years. The law works differently in different states re the acquisition of stolen goods.

@patchesohoulihan9826

Ай бұрын

If something is stolen and you buy it, years after the fact. You do not legally own it at all. Nicholas Cage owned bought multiple things that turned out to be stolen and forced to turn them over with no compensation. Selling and receiving stolen property are both crimes, and once you become aware of the status. You are criminally liable from that point on and being via the mail. Fall into federal crimes, and they will pursue charges. It has been known for years that these card(s) were stolen and floating around the hobby. Prizm Frawd knowingly and willingly sold stolen items without stating to the buyer(s). When this became knowledge to them, he reversed the deals with no issue at all. That tells me he knew his actions were in the wrong and was just trying to pass the buck to someone else. This hobby is becoming more and more a contrived mess of ignorance. When people are condoning the sale of stolen cards by acting as if it's ok. You and others putting a horrible spin on this would cry like a baby if someone did this with your stolen cards. I've been in this hobby for 33 years now, and people caught doing this were ostracized at shows and bullied till they stopped showing up. People need to stop clout chasing and protect the hobby as so many newer collectors are either shitty or great collectors in the making. Let's prevent the Prizm Frawds, Geoff Wilson's, and others with a voice who use it for nefarious reasons. To be drowned out and help the new collectors be able to look at how much they built and learned in 33 years themselves with a smile on their face. It's basically PSA 10 chasing investors that sent in 18th season Tom Brady base parallels /150 at the lowest level and got them 14 months later and can't even get what they paid for them raw back. You're one of those people who would agree with this comment on the no-nonsense or whatever it's called group. Guy tells someone this about selling a few cards, "You were dumb enough to sell during the hype and not waiting to see if Luka would ever make it to the finals." Always, and I mean always sell on the hype if you invest in cards, waiting for a player to get a HOF nod to sell is legitimately the dumbest advice ever. Someone tried to say I'm a hypocrite as I sold a bunch of high-end Trout Chromes and other bowman rookie auto's of his. On top of Jordan, Kobe, Exquisite patch autos and Lebron Exquisite RPAs. But I'm not though as they were all sold or traded during the once in a millenia card hype the hobby will ever see. Bought a few Trouts back for pennies on the dollar as for the Exquisite stuff, kept enough and could buy something bur ok without replacing them. Some of them didn't even cost me 1k to buy originally. Jordan patch autos were 750 bucks and less at release, and trading for them was easy.

@user-oy5wu6lw6i

Ай бұрын

@@patchesohoulihan9826 stolen and bought from a lost mail auction or two different things. You get a letter of receipt when you pay for the auction or sale wich states you legally own it. If someone stole it off the porch that is theft. According to the statements his package was considered lost. Lost and stolen are two separate things. If the package was stolen he knows who has it. Chargers would be filed and he would obtain his card/ cards back into his possession. I have been on both sides of the fence myself. I had proof I owned the cards with video of the cards and matching serial numbers. Unless the guy admitted to it there was nothing they could do. I was repeatedly told to file a claim on my insurance by the police and usps detective. This was all because it was considered lost or wrongful delivery. They could not file charges because of this. The delivery companies all know the game. Everything is labeled lost to protect themselves.

@imperfectgamer54

Ай бұрын

It's unfortunate but, you took the advice of usps and the police and not an attorney! You neighbor may not been charged with theft, but you still may have had a chance of getting your card back. Ask someone who works a pawn shop about what happens it they unwittingly brought/buy stolen items. Same laws apply to businesses and individuals who have stolen items in their procession.

@patchesohoulihan9826

Ай бұрын

@@imperfectgamer54 Pawn laws state the items need to be held for 30 days before being sold in NJ. You must submit your ID and have your pic taken also. But the cops and USPS didn't want to be bothered with this guys stolen cards.

I can unserstand your reluctance to get involved with the judicial system, but saying "allegedly","i presume","apparently", "with a grain of salt" and "with my understanding", numerous times in the first few minutes is very distracting. There can be a blanket statement at the beginning of the vid underlying that disclaimer lasting 8 seconds and youre good 👍. It was super confusing trying to understand the facts with the caveats and disclaimers every 15 seconds. I appreciate your vids, you're a positive addition to the card (hobby) community, just try to stick to the story a bit. Thanks for the upload and news, its a crazy situation, hope it all works out in tbe end 🙌.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Appreciate the feedback and support mate, I’ll try and get it sorted for the next one. I’ve had people in the past skip over pieces of the video so they miss those statements. I found doing it more often stopped them grilling me in comments but maybe I’ve overcorrected.

@shorebreakcards

Ай бұрын

@DanTheCardMan2 no worries bruv! Take care out there and have a great week 👌

Great video thank you for always bringing these topics up for hobby awareness. Love the hat btw

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

If your an influencer, by nature your not on the up and up anyway. You try to tell people what to buy based on your financial gain or opinion. If people were smarter they would see these influencers for what they are, snake oil salesman.

I had 2 cards stolen. One I got back luckily saw it online and worked with the person to get it back. They bought it in a bulk deal. The person that stole it was local. I made a police report and showed to the shop to get my card back.

@Jroc9

Ай бұрын

Luckily I made the report. Otherwise I might not of got it back years later.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Damn man, sorry to hear that but glad you got one of them back

@Jroc9

Ай бұрын

@@DanTheCardMan2 thanks. Hopefully others that have issues with stolen cards like this follow the right steps. The police never helped get it back but filing that report helped out a lot. Crazy part is my friends in the community found the guy that stole the cards and tracked him down online. The cops still did nothing as it was in a different part of the country. I still am missing a Max Domi Cup RPA 49/99 and I did get my Sam Reinhart Cup RPA /99 back. This was many years ago I think 2017 maybe.

Funny how shady people always seem to end up with questionable cards….you are who you surround yourself with.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

That is like most things in life unfortunately.

It’s amazing how these people are not band from the hobby, I know it can’t be done, however certain promoters. Old take a stance, especially the national.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

We’ve mentioned a few times on the channel that the hobby has a short memory. People forget about stuff too quickly and really only seem to care about themselves a lot of the time. Shows need to do better like you said to restrict the bad actors.

Who can you trust anymore , it's sad

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

It sucks but just need to keep having fun and calling this crap out

Thank you for clearly explaining the background of this situation. I must have missed Rahuls video where he explained it.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Keen to see the guys podcast with Enrico and understand more about what happened

All these guys eventually get caught. It's sad to see. Just be honest and true. It's not that hard.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

I can understand why someone might be caught off guard but just be honest and true like you said. People make things worse for themselves

I thought that Card trimming video was fantastic also,, in that it bought attention to something I was not fully aware of. I've bought high dollar Raw cards in the past, scrutinizing it, and thinking there is no way it has been trimmed. So that video changed my whole viewpoint in that now I am much more cautious before paying a lot for a raw card that looks pristine. In a way, I just did not think a card can be trimmed to the point that I will not notice it in my hand. So that video was fantastic in that it showed how a card can be trimmed and virtually be undetectable to the naked eye, which made me become a much more prudent Buyer of raw cards. I state the above because that is exactly what I took Prizm Gawds comments to mean, in that it bought to the forefront sonething not before seen to many. With that said, Takes like this video here is what I believe is nothing more than National Enquirer gossip based on unsubstantiated facts, meant to spread drama/gossip for views, disguised as "just an opinion" when in reality it's actually spreading the flames of a highly potential false narrative on a person in the Hobby, which sadly, gets clicks easier. The truth is the majority of casual viewers who know nothing of this Prizm Gawd situation, will after seeing this video, walk away thinking the guys a fraud. You may keep reiterating that u are harnlessly putting out some info and for us to decide, but there is an obvious undercurrent of painting Prizm Gawd in a bad light here. Maybe he is a fraud, or not, but one should wait for all the facts to come in before these typed of videos are shared cus to me, videos like this contributes to much of the negativity in this hobby, as it just spreads flames of a biased narrative prematurely.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Ok so what about the shill bidding comments? It’s an opinion piece that was shared from a balanced perspective. You can feel how you do but it always surprises me when people say this is negative but not the allegations around offloading the card and lying about its current status (again allegedly) or the comments around the support of shill bidding etc. I’m the one that gets pressed but people will turn a blind eye to that stuff. I’m keen to see his podcast and hopefully have all this cleared up.

Hi mate, sent you an email regarding card hobby delays. Would appreciate your help 🙏🏼 thanks

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Let me check

@jakedodsworth3257

Ай бұрын

@@DanTheCardMan2 thanks man appreciate it

What's worse him or dealers snickering 300 percent over comps

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

lol good point

Not prizm frauds problem. The cards were lost. He is the rightful owner of the cards cuz its been to long and where is the original police report?

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately that’s not how it works, there’s also an ongoing lawsuit between investacard and Enrico over this card

jism gawd

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

😅

I would never give back a stolen card that I bought even if I couldn’t sell it I rather keep it FOREVER

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately that’s not how the law works

I think aih dumb it down the was prizm gawd was talking to him,im sure the dude was going off on him, not calm and asking him what show he's gonna be at, i think aih is getting to close to the story, its all fun a games, until someone decides to do something stupid over cards, shit happens just saying. Its only a mtter of time before we see the first person getting really hurt or even killed over shit like this.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

We’ve seen pretty crazy stuff with these fake psa slab and soccer syndicate. Lots of threats cause it involved some pretty prominent criminal groups. Insane. It’s just cards guys

You’re mixing a bunch of issues here to discredit the guy on this particular issue. That other context is irrelevant. On this particular issue. The guy who lost the cards should have had proper insurance to cover the lost items and compensated either through homeowners insurance or shipping insurance. The guy who now has the card has no obligation to the previous owner. Best case situation IMO would be for the old owner to buy the cards from the new owner at the purchase price. And only if the new owner is in agreement and believes the story

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately that’s not how it works with the purchase of stolen goods.

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

The other stuff is relevant imo if the allegations are true.

@patchesohoulihan9826

Ай бұрын

Selling stolen property isn't a no biggie. The cards in question have been known to be stolen for years now. Prizim Frawd knew the card(s) in question were stolen for a while. Legally, he was required once he gained the knowledge they were stolen to notify the authorities who investigated the theft. He proceeds to sell stolen property without stating it to the buyer(s), and they undo the deal for that reason. Simply because the insurance company involved could confiscate them to sell, to recover any costs by them. The original owner can reimburse the insurance company with the funds he received. Home owners doesn't cover the cost of stolen mail. If someone did this to you, let's be honest for a second here. You would be on the phone with postal inspectors, FBI, local police and the media..

@SreyAun-sd1eb

Ай бұрын

Cards weren't lost they were stolen.

@lukeroe5972

Ай бұрын

If anyone believes these cards were lost..... you're on another level. If they were lost , they'd be in no ones possession

Dan , I’m here to not only like this video but to inform you that your coverage on topics like this is top notch… now maybe if you applied the same effort and energy towards Kevin Durant cards you would be as cool as me … love Steve

@DanTheCardMan2

Ай бұрын

haha, appreciate you mate.