Watching the whole thing is absolutely necessary. There is so much information that is useful

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, and I’m glad you liked it!

This entire production was fantastic, thank you for doing this. So well spoken and informative. A most welcome watch as I just purchased the pro1000 myself. And I thought I was excited before!

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and enjoy the printer.

Fwiw. I have owned and heavily used a Prograff 1000 for the past four years. It has been completely reliable and produces stunning prints. I have never had a misfeed which was a constant problem on my previous Epson. Fabulous printer. Absolutely love it. And, my go to paper is Red River baryta. Magical combo. Cheers, Mark

@BehindTheShot

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info, Mark. It’s a great printer, and Red River papers are so good.

I appreciate this review so much. I have been looking for something like this for months in addition to the others online that didn't quite answer some of the questions I had. You did! Thank you.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sean! I appreciate so much that you took the time to watch, not to mention the feedback. Have a great week!

This is a really a priceless video filled with a treasure of information for anyone wanting to learn about papers & printing, thank you!

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Moe! Appreciate the comment and time watching. Glad you enjoyed it.

Thank you so much for this in-depth review on the canon pro 1000 I learned so much about the process.

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Pierre!

This was a fantastic review and packed with a lot of really useful information. Thank you!

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Aaron!

Superb review. Thank you for taking the time to make it.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Worth every second of it - thanks for putting this together.

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

This video is worth every minute. Answered all my questions. Thanks!

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Fred!

Many thanks for this extremely in-depth review, Steve! Hearing all this information sold me on changing my Epson D700 drylab to this bad boy right here, not only because of the 17" paper width option, but also the possibility of using all this fancy paper options. Oh, and that cost calculator sounds simply amazing! Once again - thank you, you've got a new subscriber in me.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure how I didn't see your comment before, sorry about the delay! Really weird I didn't get a notice. Anyway, yeah, The account manager is what my big "ah ha moment" was. Actually seeing down to the ink and paper level what a single print job actually cost me. Let me know your thoughts after you use a Pro-1000.

What an excellent show, I learned so much about a subject I know very little about yet really ought to. At the point in my photography where printing my own work is becoming a priority but with many of the preconceived doubts you mention that hard stopping me making the leap of faith! However, I now see printing my own work as a real option. After watching many shows on the Pro 1000 and the Epson P800 reviews and now watching your in-depth video with all these experts I’m on a self printing mission mission. Thanks so much, a lot of hard work by you 👏

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I would also recommend checking out Glyn Dewis. He’s recently released a few videos and PDFs on printing that are awesome.

Great video, and it really helped me out since i just got the Pro-1000 ☺️👌🏻

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

What a fabulous interview and review. I was reluctant to spend 1.5hrs watching, but am so glad I didn't skip any of it. I learnt so much about features that I didn't even know it had, like the index pattern feature to do colour corrections in Print Studio Pro. I also learnt where the two new Ilford ICC profiles went! Finally I can access them. I agree that Canon really needs to be a little more transparent when it comes to spruiking their features and manuals. Thanks again.

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tricia, Thanks so much for watching, and for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed it. I was surprised how hard it was to find some of the features and instructions, and more surprised how powerful they were once I did figure it out.

Your 'Giclé' French pronunciation is spot-on!

Awesome. Have been looking at purchasing this printer and this helped seal the deal. Had no idea the importance of paper selection.

@BehindTheShot

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, and while I kinda had an idea of the paper effect I was quite surprised. Good paper can do wonders.

Thanks for the in-depth review on the Pro 1000. I found it hugely helpful, especially the two discussions with the Canon and Red River people- great insight into areas that are missing from other reviews. I’ve been flipping from the pro 300 to the pro 300 , but thi has confirmed that the 1000 is “The One” 👍

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Keith. So glad you found it helpful.

Good review, I just got the Pro 1000, your video gave me a lot of good info...

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome to hear Gernet! Thanks for the feedback. How do you like it so far?

@ElouiseGiardina

Жыл бұрын

How do you feel a year later about the printer? I have just ordered one!

Had never run acrosss you or your content before--Wow! So full of useful, practical, actionable info. Really loved the interview with Drew Hendrix of Red River. Loved it so much in fact, that I paused the video, went to Red River's site, created an account, and bought a 25pc pack of the Baryta paper in 8-1/2x11 (along with some Canon ink and some clearance gloss paper!) to use on my Canon PRO-10. Can't wait to try it on some B&W images in the printing pipeline. Suggestion: Although I watch a number of videos that are 90min or so--it can be hard to watch in one setting, with family interruptions and all. Why not break them into numbered segments of 20-30min in a playlist? Then we could give you *multiple likes* instead of just one each ;) Keep this great content coming! Now I'm curious to see your other vids...

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Will, Thanks so very much for watching. Means a lot. Please do follow up on how you like the Baryta? I love that paper. I completely get the time issue, and I have considered the multi-part idea. The main issue is that is that I release almost everything as a podcast too, in both audio only or video wherever you get podcasts. I release shows every 2 weeks, so breaking that feed into parts means this show would eat up 3 release dates. I could, I suppose, release in full in the feed but parts here, but that kind of penalizes the YT audience. Luckily, my usual shows are very different from this one. This was a special episode. Those are often about 45 min (although this summer they’ve all hit almost an hour because of the guests. Anyway, hope you also enjoy the normal shows, and thanks again!

Steve, great deep dive on the Pro 1000 by Cannon. This printer is on my radar, and your review and deep discussions brought a lot of clarity for me. I don't own a photo printer, and I'm typically a "go big or go home" kind of guy, or better stated, "Buy nice or Buy twice." Thanks for the video and great review. Don't know when, but I know I will have one in the not too distant future!

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thank for watching, Bud. So glad you enjoyed it.

This review and interview has been priceless for us! We have decided against print lab partnerships due to cost and so few media choices in terms of paper choices. We still use a lab for acrylic and metallic prints for custom client requests. We have a Canon 100 but need to offer larger prints. Your KZread video 'nailed' it for us - a ProGraf 1000 is in the works!

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and the feedback. I love mine, still. Hope you like it, and let me know how it goes.

A great review and you touched on many of the issues that I discovered when I first started using the printer eg lack of documentation and having to search Google for the answers. Love the printer though. Thanks again for your review, found it very helpful

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching Jeff!

This is a fantastic video, I decided on the canon Pro-1000

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. Thanks for watching.

I have a Pro 100 now, and I use it for pro work. It does an excellent job. However, now that the Pandemic may be winding down I'm looking at a Pro 1000 when it will pay for itself. I don't have any problem printing on semigloss paper with the Pro 100. It does fine, especially with Canson and Hahnemuhle papers. Red River does well also. Actual mat papers don't so so well.

Mine comes tomorrow ( fedex! hahahaha! im sure it will be tuesday ) and i can't wait. stepping up from MY 100 that seems to have given up the ghost. This is a really well done video! Sad that we didn't get to see your prints. THAT would have been exciting.

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and hope you enjoy it when it comes. It’s so hard to show prints in a meaningful way. The detail differences of a 100 vs a 1000 etc can’t be captured at 1080p. Sorry about that.

Wow , Great review & interviews. I own the Pro 100 & up until recently have only printed on Canon papers. I just broke open a sample pack of CansonInfinity papers & tried 2 of the heavier papers & all I can say is WOW!!! I just a few days ago ordered 2 of RR Basic photography sample packs & 3 of their more advanced Photography sample packs to try out. Can't wait. I found with the Pro 100 paper feed on the heavier papers (Other Fine Art Paper option) , I had to (1.25" minimum border restriction by Canon) print with a bigger border & it took the paper with no problem from the rear paper feeder. I should retire in the next year or 2 & will probably move. After that I will get a larger printer as moving the Pro 1000 is a bit of a hassle. Great show. I got to go so I can order more ink, haha.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Please let me know what you think of the Ref Tiber papers. I honestly love them. Thanks for watching, and for the nice comments!

I just have a budget multi-function Canon MP270, which I bought some years ago for basic document printing. The other day I tried printing a photo, just for giggles. Out popped a VERY good print indeed - I was amazed. 😀

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

It is amazing what comparatively less expensive printers can do, but once you get serious about printing, the differences do become more pronounced. It's especially noticeable when compared side-by-side with other prints.

@gregsullivan7408

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot I'm sure! The fact that my budget Canon does so well instils confidence in their dedicated photo printers. Thanks for the excellent presentation.

Good rounded review with extra insight. Try some of the Awagami papers [Japanese] , I Use a lot of their Bamboo paper which is superb for colour or BW..

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and for the paper suggestion.

Thanks for a great presentation. I just got a Pro 1000 and cannot figure out the Accounting software! Did you find anyone who can explain it's use and functions?

@BehindTheShot

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, and I do cover the Accounting Manager a little bit, starting at 01:18:00.

Can’t believe I didn’t watch this video last night in my pro 1000 binge! I bought it anyway! The one concern I had was how much ink came with the initial printer as I struggled to find that information elsewhere. Thank you for explaining that and I hope it’s the same 3 years later? (2023) In Australia! Are the printers still exactly the same now as they were a few year ago? I’ve heard mixed reviews on how often you need to print to stop them from clogging up… thoughts?

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Hi Elouise, Thanks for watching, and no doubt you’ll love it. It’s a phenomenal printer. I can only speak to the U.S. market, but I don’t that would effect something like this. To my knowledge, yes, the ink in the box is the same today as back then. Most companies don’t change things like that often or without good reason. As well, the printer is exactly the same, with the exception of firmware updates. The question on how often to use it is the impossible one to answer. It won’t clog in the sense we think of. As I mentioned, this thing has many holes for the ink to counter that issue. But to minimize it, and to help with maintenance, I think once a week has been fine. Really, the person to answer that is a KZreadr name Jose Rodriguez. His channel is all about printing and he has tons of shows on this printer alone. youtube.com/@cheo1949

Fantastic content, so much information, well presented!! Thanks. P.S. Guess what Santa brought me this year ;)

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and appreciate the feedback. Enjoiy the gift! Your Santa brings bigger stuff than mine, hahaha.

Regarding gamut, I'd be very interested to learn about techniques to fully exploit the gamut of the inks & media. For example, for an image in sRGB, or even Adobe RGB, it's my understanding that printers such as this one can exceed the gamut of both these working spaces in some areas - are there methods to expand the image gamut during the printing process (at the expense of accuracy)?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

The key to your question, at least to my eye, is the phrase "in some areas". This printer can do AdobeRGB, but I am not sure about what colors, tones, or shades it could or would exceed that. Obviously each individual printer could also be a bit different and I am not sure you'd know unless you tested it. This is a beyond my abilities to answer unfortunately. If you reach out to the guy that commented below, @Jose Rodriguez, he might be a better source. His entire channel is dedicated to printing and I'd say he's the most knowledgeable person I know of on the subject. It's a great channel to subscribe to. If he answers I would love you to share the answer here too..

I think it’s a good idea to include the time stamps you referred to in the beginning in the description text for the video.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Those were added with the newer KZread feature.

Great video. I just bought a Canon Pro-1000 and I've been working to figure it out. I print for a living, and even I had difficulty figuring out media types, and how to use the Media Configuration tool. It wasn't obvious, but I think I have it now. You can actually go to the printer, under various settings, paper types and you can print a list of all the paper types on the LCD, and it will show you all the fine settings of each media type. For me as well though, even after registering custom paper types (am1X files) I cannot find them on the printer itself and there is no way to select them. What's unclear to me is whether or not the media type on the printer and the media type on the Canon Print Studio Pro software need to match, OR if the Canon Print Studio Pro settings override what's on the Printer's LCD. I've tested a ton of different papers on this now, and so far, hands down, the best best rag matte photo paper and profile combination is the Moab Entrada Bright White. The profile form Moab is great and is giving me very close color to the Epson P-5000 and Epson P-9000. The Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Bright White is also very good. I've also paid to have ICC profiles built for papers I use a lot for color proofing, like the Lexjet Semi-matte, and the Epson Semi-matte, and the Epson Enhanced Matte, and the Lexjet Archival Matte, and the colors are very good, and close to my Epson printers, although the Epson printers will always have a wider gamut in the greens, which definitely shows printing pure green (0,255,0) and slight variants. Hahnemuhle has done a great job of making profiles for the Canon Pro-1000, and has included am1X files to make figuring out the media type for each paper easier. The Hahnemuhle papers are gorgeous, and it's nice to see Hahnemuhle making an effort to build profiles for the Canon printers. This has been a very difficult printer to setup and profile properly compared to others, and I think you're right that Canon would greatly benefit from better documentation and help videos. Currently documentation is rather sparse and we're all left to watch videos like yours to figure it out.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! You’ve hit many of points I had. The printer was actually “easy” to setup and get working, but overly complex to really take advantage of. Not because it actually is complex, which it really isn’t, but because the lack of good clear documentation means banging your head against wall a few times. But once you get it i love this printer. Good to know about the am1x from the other papers, that is still my fave feature. On the paper being installed and chosen on screen vs I’m Print Studio Pro , or any print driver choice on the computer, it actually does have an answer. If you make a choice on the computer it will take affect regardless of you’ve chosen that paper on the LCD. Another review post confused me at one point saying you must chose it on printer, and canon told me that’s wrong.

@BellevueFineArtRepro

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot This is an important distinction between how the Epson printers work and how the Canon printers work. Whether you print directly from Photoshop or from Canon Print Studio Pro, there is the option to choose the media type as well as the ICC profile, but on Epson machines the media type cannot be changed from the computer, only the ICC profile, so with Epson printers you must specify the media type on the machine itself. With Epson printers the media type wasn't as important on the 4900-9900 series, but with the new Surecolor series it's important. It's nice to see Canon doing this all on the computer. Thanks for the tip. You just saved me a lot of trips to the printer.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

@@BellevueFineArtRepro Enjoy it!

@piccoloxl1

4 жыл бұрын

Hi and first off apologies for jumping in on your string. I plan on using Hahnemühle Fine art and maybe digital photo paper. Would you recommend them over others like Ilford, RedRiver and Moab?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Great question. You’ll get a different answer from everyone I think, because a paper’s color reproduction, ability to hold blacks, sheen / surface textures etc will all be subjective. If you’re talking only about real fine art archival type papers you see a lot of the same qualities in each manufacture. But there will be slight unique differences that will be subjective. One area I think the companies you mention excel is choice. They have a wider product line I think.

Good video sharing

Hi Steve, great in-depth video, but you should check out the latest firmware updates for the pro 1000, it's no longer a 17"x22" it's up to 17"x47" with the custom paper size settings, allowing you to print panoramas or multiple images on one (up to) 17"x47" sheet so what I will be doing is cutting whatever length I need from a 17inches roll. Also baryta paper is added with this firmware so it is a paper type option in both dialog box and printer control panel. Gary

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reminder! It just came out on Oct 1 and I have not installed it yet. Grabbing it now.

@612morrison

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot there's both firmware and driver updates.

@mattorrz759

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that information. That just sealed the deal for me. PS love this vid Steve 👌🇦🇺

@rfssport

3 жыл бұрын

Gary, have you demonstrated good prints printing from 13 or 17" rolls - 35-45" lengths? Hand feed to start" What paper would you recommend that is similar to Canons pro luster ($110 for 17" width, no 13"w)?

@612morrison

3 жыл бұрын

@@rfssport hi, personally I don't use a lot of canon paper because it's expensive for what it is but if it's on offer I would usually get some. I have found that the pro 1000 isn't paper fussy, professionals would probably disagree and I've even had reasonable quality images from some cheap epson paper but i mostly use for everyday printing of family stuff brilliant photo paper from WEX here in the UK or Marrutt paper which is available in the states but for panoramics so far I've only used ilford galerie 17" roll and just cut the size I need and even at 47" long it feeds ok just like sheet paper. Marrutt pro satin is close to canon pro luster but half the price here in the UK and it can be got in the states but I don't know what sort of price it is but as a comparison canon pro lustor A2 is £95 for 25 sheets and the Marrutt is (nearly half the price ) £56 for 25 sheets and £102 for 50 sheets 17" roll is £92 for 30m adout 98'. That's my humble opinion but try and get the hold of some paper samples and play about to see what suits your work and needs.

excellent. I plan on getting the pro 1000 printer

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Eric!

@williefufu2985

2 жыл бұрын

Eric, are you a Professional Photographer?

Satin Semigloss. Nice recommendation. I'm going for that. 🤣

I had paper feed problems with my Pro 100 at first, but after emailing Canon several times I resolved that problems, which were my errors, and after 2+ years of use I haven't had any problems with the printer. I haven't had paper feed problems with my Pro 100. I'm going to start saving for a Pro 1000.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. Had a lot of feed issues with the 100 I’d never had with my old 9500 mk II. The 1000 has never had a feed issue.

@romiemiller3093

3 жыл бұрын

OK, I've never had one of my photos printed on a Pro 1000. I'll have to swee if I can get that done.

One thing you didn’t mention that may be of interest is the 60,120,180.... etc cleaning cycle my understanding on it is the more you use it the less ink required for the clean or purge , talk was done by Jose Rodriguez, inspiring talk thanks

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Aaron, Yeah, as I mentioned in the video, I am far from a printing expert and I was not aware of that issue until Jose mentioned it in the comments. Love his channel.

I am looking at which is b better the canon ImagePrograf pro1000 or the epson sure print SC P900/906. I'm still trying to work it out but this has definitely helped with the canon. Oh and I subscribed

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Blythe for watching and subscribing. For the printer choice I’d still guest looking at Jose Rodriguez’s KZread channel. He’s the printer guy that I watch. kzread.info

Steve, I realise this is an old video for you, but I took delivery of this printer yesterday and I am so pleased I found your wise counsel here. I, too, was surprised when the cartridges showed 50% left after not printing anything. However, I am not completely convinced that SETUP cartridges are FULL ones. They may be for the US, but I am not sure in the UK. Thanks again. Appreciated.

@BehindTheShot

11 ай бұрын

Hey Geoff, Yeah, there’s a lot of path for the ink to follow, so I totally get, and believe, that priming the printer will take a good amount of ink, but I still question if the included ink is full. I’m sure someone out there has emptied the included cartridges to measure the amount in them, so I assume we’d know for sure if they were not. Thanks for watching! Id guess that you’ll love the printer.

@Zebrajellyfishphoto

4 ай бұрын

One way to know if the cartridges that came with the printer were 80ml would be to weigh them. A full cartridge weighs around 112g. I only know this from what Jose Rodriguez says. Steve mentions Jose because Jose does AMAZING work helping one understand so many things about the Pro 1000. I suggest subscribing to his channel.

@BehindTheShot

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, Jose is so detailed. I learn something everything I watch him.

Hi, Thank you for the canon 1000 tutorial I am printing digital art, not photographs. I want to use matte, textured paper and sometimes not white. Do you have any recommendations? Thanks, Dan

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dan, Thanks for reaching out. I’ve stuck pretty much with the papers I mentioned here. I love the Palo Duro and the Baryta. I think a lot of artists like the Hahnemühle like of papers too.

I have a brand new Canon Pro 1000. During the setup I installed the print head and acquired the B204 error. It says unplug the printer and call the service center... Can I fix this myself?

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, that’s a question I don’t know the answer to. I’m not a Canon rep or service person. I’d of course suggest Googling that error, but if it’s brand new, and within the return period, I’d either return it or send it to service. If possible I’d do the return to where I bought it.

Hi Steve, I watched your video and I have a question about the 60 Hours maintenance. Is that Calender hours or after 60 hours of printer activity? I am mainly printing A3 renderings of my CAD designs (furniture). I use these renderings to show to my clients in order to sell my concepts. So I am not a daily printer, but I really want very good quality. Thanks for now, BR Hugo

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and a great question. I honestly am not clear on the answer. I’d suggest checking out Jose Rodriguez’s channel. It’s all about printing and he’s discussed this topic a lot. Sorry about not being more helpful.

Thanks.

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome.

Hi Steve, excellent video. You mention "Burido" paper. Im not even sure how to spell it. Ive googled lots of variations of the spelling and even searched Redriver website and can find nothing on it. Can you direct me to some info on this paper? Thanks

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. The paper was called Baryta. You can get this type of paper from almost any manufacturer, the Red River Paper I used here was this: www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/palo-duro-baryta-fiber-paper.html

@DEVUNK88

2 ай бұрын

@@BehindTheShot thanks

@BehindTheShot

2 ай бұрын

@@DEVUNK88 You’re very welcome. I answered your other post too, with a link for you.

The Pro 100 does make excellent prints. It's the best value available at $500 retail. I've shown prints from mine in the top shows, I printed one of my images myself and sent the same file to Whitewall. My print was as good as the Whitewall print, or a liitle better. The only reason I'd like to get a Pro 1000 is to make larger prints.; I've been using Canson and Hahnemuehle paper, but I'm testing Red River and like it too. If you make a lot of large prints, printing yourself is considerably less expensive. Also, my Pro 100 will print shadows that are so dark that they can only be seen with an oblique light. Fantastic tonal gradation. That also speaks well of Canson paper.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed on all points, except, to me, the 100 packs the three shadow detail produced by the 1000. That’s the biggest advantage to the 1000 for me. But the 100 produces amazing prints at such a great price point. Most people would see a difference, unless viewing critically side-by-side.

Does the accounting manager take into consideration the initial cost of the printer itself? One would need to print a fairly high volume of prints before the per print price makes sense.

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Great question @QNetX. The answer is no. The accounting manager is measuring consumable per print cost. Including the original hardware cost wouldn’t make sense for software like that. First of all, it’s a moving target. With each print the cost of the printer itself is diluted, meaning it’s constantly changing. Most. Importantly, the printer isn’t considered “operation cost”. That’s hardware acquisition that you’d do a separate type of ROI on. For an analogy… You don’t include the cost of a car in calculating yearly operating expense. That would be fuel (like ink here), maintenance / repairs, etc. Hope that helps make sense of it.

Amazing review thanks. I'm going to get one this week. Two things I'd be keen to know. Approximately how many A2 colour (color 😎 ) prints do you think you could get from one set of inks say for example if you were printing a photograph that used roughly all the inks equally? I know this an unrealistic question as you might not always print one photograph using precisely the same of each colour ink. I just wanted a very rough idea. The second question is, considering the ink status shows 50% on first start up as the nozzles get primed, when the ink in the tanks runs out and you still have 50% in the tubes do you have to replace the cartridges, as presumably they will now be empty? Now I think about this question I guess the answer is yes but when you replace the the inks the tubes wont have to be filled and will now show 100%. But...... doesn't that mean that you will always be 50% down as you'll never be able to use the ink in the tubes if the tanks are empty???

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. As you guessed, these are tough questions to answer accurately. There are so many variables, how often you print, is the printer left off for extended periods, what you print etc. I have not used it enough for long enough to trust my results as definitive. I did find this post over at dpreview that seems to be pretty accurate. www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4208996 The second question is interesting. The first tanks are used to prime the lines. Assuming you replace them before they are drained and the lines are emptied then yes, the subsequent tanks won’t start at a 50% reading. If however you left the drained ones then it should use what’s in the lines because the system is a vacuum, not gravity. But then the next set will be used to prime. That’s how I see it but a key point is that you’ll never use all ink in any printer. There will be residual in the system that can’t be retrieved.

@piccoloxl1

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot thanks so much for the reply and sorry I didn't get back quicker. The pro 1000 just arrived but I have to go out to work now so it looks like Thursday at the earliest for the unboxing! I can't wait!

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

@@piccoloxl1 Enjoy it!

I use 17x22 Epson exhibition fiber paper with my Canon Prograf PRO1000 and the results are fantastic. I use the Canon Pro Lustre settings. What paper does red river make that comes close to the Epson exhibition fiber paper.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a great question, and unfortunately I don’t know the answer. I’d suggest emailing or calling Red River Paper for suggestions. They are super nice people.

@jfphotography69

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot thanks, I figured you might have used this pepper before, reason I asked. And yes, Epson is lock and key with their ICC settings for their paper, ICC's are only available for Epson printers, which makes no sense, it's not like these other manufacturers will just vanish, what they actually do is confuse many people who buy their printers thinking they should only use Epson paper "which is fine paper", most people are already confused in regards to printers and printing as it is, let's confuse them a bit more and in the long run anger them. All the reviews I seen on the exhibition fiber are from people with Epson printers. If you are trying to sell paper only for Epson printer users, that is not a smart business decision, but who am I to tell them otherwise. On their website this is what Epson says regarding their exhibition fiber paper. "Exhibition Fiber Paper is a breakthrough paper, designed exclusively for use with Epson's UltraChrome K3 ink". It surely looks fine to me with Canon ink. Not that I don't like Epson printers and ink, I previous printer was an Epson, the P600 which had nozzle issues "maybe it was just my copy", but I wanted to print bigger, and Canon was the only one that does 17x22 prints for a table printer before going for the bigger crate size printers.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

What's nice is that the third parties like RRP make their own ICC profiles. If you contact them let me know what you find.

Now that the new Canon Pro-300 is coming out soon, which printer is better, the Pro-1000 or the Pro-300? The price difference is negligible.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

The 1000 is the clear winner on spec. Double the nozzles per ink, more inks, bigger inks and more. But paper means little if you don’t need that much.

@davidhunternyc1

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot 🙏🏻 Thank you. Seriously. Every other channel on KZread plays too nice. They dare not speak their private preference for fear of retribution. Stay real. Stay true. I bow to your honesty.

Hi Steve, are you still happy with this printer after two years ? Also, how often do you calibrate your monitors ? I assume that's a pre-requisite for any decent color fidelity from the printer, and the iMac out of the box calibration is not as solid as one might think?

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Shiva, That is a great question, and yes... I actually still love this thing. Fast, accurate, and pretty flexible. That said, it's not cheap from an ink point of view. I calibrate my monitors monthly usually. I say usually because during the last year I have shot a lot less, so I haven't worried about it as much. And yes, the iMac has never been an easy one. I have an NEC PA272W that I love. I calibrate both that and the 5k 27" iMac and try to get the iMac to match the NEC (which I trust the most). Calibration can't easily adjust brightness on the iMac - that is manual. You are spot on though, calibration matters so very much if you intend to print, and I'd argue no matter what your output is.

@ElouiseGiardina

Жыл бұрын

I’d like to know if you’re still using it now and what are your thoughts? :)

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I am still using it. Love it. That said, I personally don’t print as often as I should anymore - life and all. But love it when I do.

Thanks again, Da.n Don't know your audience but perhaps a short-ish lesson for non-photographers that goes into paper that are best for that group and non-standard papers for photographers as well?

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea. Thanks. That literally the type of stuf that printing channel covers, so I usually refer people there, but definitely something I’d be interested in trying to research too.

One other thought on lab versus self-printing: the labs' paper descriptions tend to be very generic. There's no guarantee of repeatability between print orders if the lab changes its generic "gloss," "lustre," or what have you.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting point. I think most labs are pretty consistent because their paper doesn’t change often. Still, for me, the big thing is choice of paper in self printing.

I am waiting for my 1000 to arrive! Thanks so much for this Review! I feel prepared to dive in!!!

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Amy! Enjoy the new gear.

@ElouiseGiardina

Жыл бұрын

How are you feeling a year later?? I’ve just ordered one!

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Personally, yes, and still love it.

Thank you for your response earlier. I have 2 or 3 questions about the Pro-1000 and would like to hear your feedback since you've had it for 3 years now. I am a non-professional enthusiast. In 2005, I had a Canon ip6600D, and in 2011, an Epson R2000, an A3+ printer without a matte/glossy ink switch like the Canons. I have a certain level of expertise in printing, but my R2000 has a stubborn head with reds and yellows, and while trying to remove it to clean it, I broke a ribbon in the head. I could repair it by taking it all apart, but that won't solve the head problems and the internal tank filled with used ink. So, I am seriously considering purchasing an A2 printer (I have been frustrated at times by the A3) and I am torn between the Pro-1000 and the SC-P900. Have you had any problems with nozzle or head clogging during these 3 years? Have you had any issues with smudging that can occur with borderless prints or other issues? Does it seem appropriate to print a nozzle check or test print page every 2 days to reduce excessive maintenance consumption of the Pro-1000, or is the cost per year minimal compared to the yearly printing costs? I have a probe to calibrate my paper, but the Pro-1000 has an automatic calibration that seems to work great. Can you tell me more about it? My R2000 is 62 cm wide, the P900 is 51 cm wide, and the Pro-1000 is 72 cm wide. This is a big issue for me now and is making me hesitate because the 2 printers seem very similar, although I give a big advantage to the Pro-1000 because of the calibration

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. Those issues sound like what would make me stop printing. Hahaha. First, I don’t print as much as I’d hoped or should. So my 1000 is off for long periods, unfortunately. That causes an issue known to the 1000 where on boot it goes through a VERY long, and VERY ink consuming process. Even with that I’ve never had a nozzle, head, or smudge issue. I don’t think I’d print a test page that often to try to prevent waste on maintenance. If that’s the goal just do an actual print every few days. The cycles can be expensive, as the ink isn’t cheap, but - to me - that’s the cost of owning a nice printer. Would I rather own it and not deal with that? Of course, but the printer is what it is. The other questions I’m not the best one to ask. I’d suggest following the Jose Rodriguez Photo Printing Techie channel and maybe asking him. He’s the smartest guy I’ve found on printers, and has tested multiple models and brands. youtube.com/@cheo1949

@japamax

Жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Thank you, but actually your experience would be closer to mine than that of José Rodriguez (I know his KZread channel) in terms of printing frequency and usage, and probably as much or more than a hard-core specialist or a photo club member who would print several times a day. My R2000 has a roll but I have never used it and printing in 3:1 seems more than enough for landscapes. I am very excited about the Pro-1000. I enjoyed the interviews, especially with the boss of RedRiver. The papers seem superb (I have seen several tests), but the shipping costs and taxes for importation double the price and disqualify them even compared to expensive papers like Canson and Hahnemhule. Disappointed they don't have importers in Europe.

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I wish they had international distribution. Great paper. The Baryta is so nice.

Thanks for your reply. I am making Miro like images. Looking for fairly textured paper and would like to find cream paper if possible. Do they exist? Thanks,

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sure they do exist, but I can’t say 100% as I stick with the ones I use for photos.. I’d suggest calling or emailing Red River Paper. Tell them you saw the show and ask them what they’d suggest. Super nice people. They have sample packs too, to try things before buying a lot of it. Let me know what you do find.

@danlovallo2923

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Thanks, Mate

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to help anyway I can, unfortunately in this case I don’t use a ton of different ones to know these answers. But the people at red River surely would. You could also head over to Jose Rodriguez’s channel on KZread. It’s dedicated to nothing but printing, so he may have some insight.

So two things... I want to buy a printer -- I use labs and I have quite a few images. Issue for me is first, its now almost June, 2020 and I think there must be an update coming soon. Second, I do want a roll, I do want the option to print larger than 17" and I want to buy a printer that will last me years without regret. Ok, so I am thinking seriously about the Pro-2100 24" vs the Pro-1000 17". I believe the functions are identical? Please correct me if I am wrong. I wonder if you have any current insight into updates for the Pro-1000 to possibly a Pro-1100?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and reaching out. First of all, I dod not have any insight as to where Canon may, or may not, be heading with updates. I have not even seen any rumors. I am sure at some point they will, but the 1000 is so popular I don't know what update schedule they have planned. I personally didn't want a roll either. I am not really the one to ask about the 2100, it is a different beast entirely even if the feature is very close. It's physical size, not to mention paper size and ability to do a roll, sets it far apart. I do think the features are seemingly close, although the 1000 does have the night mode and I do not believe the 2100 does - if I am wrong someone will correct me. Here's what I suggest... go watch Jose Rodriguez at kzread.info. He is the printer guy and he is fantastic!

Marvellous review Steve I hope you get the commission from canon. I’m going to find where I can buy one of these printers here in NZ Thank you

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, and happy you liked it! No commission from Canon, nor would I accept one. ¯\_(ツ)_/ As I disclaimed in the show, while they did send me the printer, I offered to send it back when I was done testing it and they declined. The Light Stalking article was an interesting too I thought. Hope you find one. And let me know your experience with it.

Hi, if you are not a pro photographer, would you buy the pro10s or the pro1000? I am looking to buy a printer.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Gustavo, if someone is not a pro then I would even stay with a PRO-100. It's a great printer for the money.

@gustavomonasterios6083

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot thanks for the recommendation

I have a Pro 100. It's worked flawlessly since that first day. But at first i had the same feed problem. It took a whole day of working with the printer and talking to Canon to figure it out. And, the 100 makes fantastic prints. Back in the film days, I used Kodak F surfaced gloss paper for black and white prints, but air dried it to a semi-gloss finish. I use Red River and Canson papers that give me about the same finish. Also, I can print a top quality 13.19" print on Hahnemuhle fine art paper for about $5.00. Whitewall charges about 10X that much.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

I need to try the Canson stuff. I have heard great things.

@romiemiller7876

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot They have great paper. One of my black & white photos has such fine gradations in black that I didn't see some of it until the framer pointed them out. I had to glace across the print at a shallow angle with the light source on the other side to see them. That says a lot for the tonal hold out in dark areas. I use the Baryta Photographique (spelling?) semi-gloss that resembles the old Kodak f surface dried mat. I also use several Hahnemuhle papers.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

I love the Red River Baryta too.

It'd be really difficult to make better prints than I make on my Pro 100. I have some fantastic prints. When i can afford the Pro 1000, I'll have to make some comparison prints. I do have some issues with tone and detail in very high key areas of prints with the 100. I don't have problems with shadow detail. I'll have to check that. Today, I'm having a hard time getting Canon ink for the Pro 100. So, if Canon isn't going to support the 100, I'll upgrade soon.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

That is THE main difference actually. The ability to retain that detail in dynamic areas.

Print-cost : Do they vary depending if a very dark vs. very light print, with/without chromaoptimizer ?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Yes an no. All the cartridges are the same cost pretty much and the chroma is about the same. If a dark print or area only use one of the black inks then it’s just that ink cost. If it it’s lighter it may just use a different black or gray ink. If it uses multiple inks to get the color and luminance then it could be more. Overall a lighter print may use less ink. Some papers use chroma and some don’t.

@AR-vf7vg

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot A night star-sky on archy paper vs. a snowy landscape at midday on glossy PE.. .. so but basically it does distinguish just how much liquid it drained, converts with the cost of cartridge You typed in you payd for -same with paper size and type ' or do we have to add that 'mentally'? Thank You!

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

When setting up the software you enter cartridge cost, paper size and cost. Once that’s entered it uses that to calculate total cost. You don’t have to add it mentally.

@AR-vf7vg

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Thanks You. (And I assume it does convert quantity effectivally as otherwise there would be no justification for the offering this option in the first place)

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

I assume it does, but can’t guarantee it. I wasn’t trying to go that technical in this review. It was based on my experience with two previous less expensive Canon printers, and on the general act of printing which I’d why I had Red River talk about paper and Canon discuss this level of printer. In other words it’s a review based on my experience being new to this level of device. Jose, who runs the definitive channel on everything printing is much more in depth than I can get. You’ll see his comments in here somewhere and based on your comments I think you might enjoy his work. He’s really really good - and much smarter than I am.

Lots of good information in this program. One suggestion though is to let the experts finish answering the question you've posed to them before breaking in.

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching David, and for the feedback. Very much appreciated. For shows like this I am on a bit of a time crunch, both due to guest time limits and behind the scenes limits. That at times requires trying to keep the chat moving forward to get to all the scheduled topics. I’m not always successful, obviously, sorry about that.

Fantastic review. One area I’d appreciate as part of a review is a discussion on the needed frequency of operation to avoid/reduce clogged nozzles. It is my understanding printers like this must be use to print color images about twice a week. If you leave for a month and come back, it will require running a number of cleaning cycles to restore normal operation; unless you have someone print in your absence. Running cleaning cycles use significant amounts of ink. For me, I still might be willing to take the leap, but it is the kind of thing that would make me think carefully. It ups the level of commitment, especially for hobbyist who don’t have commercial workflow, to keep the printer busy enough to avoid these challenges.

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Greg. You are correct. Left unused for a short period of time this printer will require cleaning cycles in boot. Those eat a good deal of ink. I wasn’t aware of that when I made this video, because the printer was new - having been sent to me by Canon for this show. Now, however, I am. Does that change my opinion of the Pro 1000? Not for me. I don’t print often, and when I do it does it’s thing. It raises the total cost of ownership, yes, but it’s a beautiful printer all around.

@gregcorker2193

Жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot I can’t wait until I get one. Also have to say the section on media in your review was really informative. I have often wondered about media, but rarely run into material where it is discussed at length; especially from such a knowledgeable source.

@gregcorker2193

Жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot This is a video where the host, “Jose Rodriguez Photo Printing Techie” (the listed name for real) talks about some of those commitments people are unaware of. Plainly delivered, but pretty informative: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lmGEsLCKhNi_ZNI.html

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thanks again. Fro Knows Photo recently did a show on printing with great visuals on paper too.

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

I just saw this comment, as it was held for review due to the link. Yes, Jose is the best there is in many ways, when it comes to printer info. I am familiar with the issue now, I just wasn't when I did the review.

Is there a spot to load a paper roll? Or no?

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

No, the Pro-1000 doesn’t support rolls. That’s actually one of the main complaints people have. That’s a non-issue for me however.

What do you recommend for a 30 or 40" wide printer? :-)

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Great question Phil. I am not really familiar with that level of printers enough to pick one, but I know who would know. Check out Jose Rodriguez’s channel. It’s all about printing, and he knows more than anyone I know. kzread.info

@philindeblanc

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot HI, thanks for the reply. I actually follow Jose, and he too is not into the larger prints, yet! But so far I am loving the output of the HP z3200. Was wondering it compared to more current Prograf models. Jose can teach you how to save on ink as well, I have had decent success with PColor inks.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know. Thanks!

Steve, I actually came back to listen to Jim, but he didn't mention what I was listening for. Please confirm my thinking here if you can: 1) Are the imagePROGRAF PRO-1000, 2000 & 4000 all considered to be "digital printers"? 2) They all can receive RGB files well, but ARE actually CMYK printers, right? 3) If they are (or are not) are they also considered to be 'expanded' CMYK printer with red & blue in order to print the wider (Adobe?) RGB gamut? I ask because I'm curious at the programming level if the AI of the printer is doing any color translating and if so, where and how many times. I know that La*b* is the device-independent Profile Connection Space through which all color space conversions go through, so in the spirit of reducing the amount device decisions, I'm tempted to send files with La*b* embedded so as to reduce the amount of conversions. Lastly, 4) Am I correct in describing RIPs as really good print drivers that, don't do any 'color space' conversions, but actually translate the entire gamut of a specific image into the actual specific inks that the printer in question uses?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Those are some great questions! I’m pretty sure I know a lot of the answers, but not enough to answer without checking first. I’m actually excited to hear what they say. I’ll post back if / when I hear back.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Here are the answers from Canon: 1. Yes they are digital printers 2. Correct, almost all printers on the market would be CMYK printers that convert to RGB 3. Conversion would take place once between driver and printer 4. RIPs will still need to convert when they are converted to fit within the profile of the printer.

@storysupport

4 жыл бұрын

I just happen to be online here, @@BehindTheShot . 🙂 It doesn't seem like he quite spoke to #3 (Gamut) & #4 (?), but I will leave it there so that you're not going back and forth.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

@@storysupport Yeah, I don'y want to keep hitting them with too many follow-ups. I did ask an old friend that used to run a prepress system the questions 4. Note he clearly disclaims that it's been awhile, but here is what he said. Thanks again. "It's been a long time since I've had to consider this stuff. May be rusty, but I'll give you what I recall after some quick refreshing with the help of Google. I think of print drivers as residing on the computer and packaging up print commands and data. Nothing more. No conversions, no interpretations, none of the hard work. I think of RIPs as residing within the printing system (sometimes as dedicated computers attached to the imaging hardware) and interpreting those commands and data to fit the color space possible with the output device. I think of gamut as the possible colors within a given system (color space and output device). A photo, as a digital file, has a color space, but no gamut until it is displayed on an output device (monitor, print). The RIP will take the instructions and data packaged by the printer driver and interpret the raw color information plus any requested color space (re)assignments, and fits that into the output device’s gamut. If you remember Pantone spot color-to-CMYK conversion swatch books, it's like that. That means that the RIP will take AdobeRGB data, for example, and use its internal color data tables to fit the incoming color data into SWOP CMYK or Hexachrome (CMYKOG) or whatever the printer can do. In that sense, I would say that a RIP does do color space conversion (AdobeRGB to SWOP CMYK)."

what is the mic you have there ?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Heil PR-40

How long this printer can stand without use?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

That's a great question. Most printers do suffer affects from long periods without use, which is why printers agitate the ink tanks when powering on. I can't really answer that except to say that, as we mentioned in the conversation with Jim from Canon, this printer has TONS of nozzles that can be used should one become clogged. That reduces the possible issues somewhat.

If you are still rating this pretty good, I need a printer for photos of people. But the paper is important. We have an ink jet printer that only uses paper the thickness of typewriter paper. For photo prints of people, I want a nicer heavier paper. I want the print very clear and the person can autograph it with out a problem. Please tell me if this printer can do that!!!! Very important to me! Also what paper is best for a person signing the print? Thank you!!!

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, this printer will do that, as will virtually any reasonably priced photo printer. I can't recommend a specific paper. Any real photo paper from a major manufacturer, like the Red River Paper I use in the video, will work.

@suesturges6022

4 жыл бұрын

Behind The Shot ---My son said the inks would cost a fortune. In your opinion, are they comparable to other printers. Is the ink used up faster than other printers. And where would one buy the ink? Could I buy each bottle individually or only in a set? I really do not care for glossy prints. The person I would send each photo to sign, which paper would be best. The man you talked to said Red River Paper and what you said about papers, I liked. Some photos I want to print are black and white. I think you said mat paper printed really good in black and white.

Well You kind of do loose the ink that needs to reside in the feeding tubes. Can't really grasp why it needs that "not waisted" conclusion. Or give some more explanations if true: running out of ink means these tubes have been emptied ?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

There would be a point where if you didn’t replace the empty cartridges that the printer would stop printing. When that happens there could be ink in a tube that you never got to use. But of course that makes no sense. You would replace the empties and continue to print thereby pushing the ink in tubes from the previous cartridges through.

@AR-vf7vg

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Precisely; You are (still) not specifying that the point at wtch he printer will stop working is only when (all) the tubes are empty. So to me (contrary to You) it does make perfectly sense (tu use the same phrasing as You but.. ) to say that we will never use the AMOUNT of "half-cartridges-times-number of cartridges' (so =about 6 cartridges of liquid will never go onto paper (because of however good justified engineering decision) so albeit the mental process of intellectually grasping that the ink counter is logic and correct and not flawed, that this understanding itself is kind of reassuring and of an rewarding feeling..but still deceitful because that is actually still ink You paid (havilly) for, a hidden amount that You will never actually use other than as truly purely hidden maintaining cost at cost of Ink (about equivalent to 5 full cartriges) at it's full price and not for onto sellable goods allready (..how many..prints..?)

@AR-vf7vg

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot In other words (than those I replied with to You in a separate response also here) : Your reaction : "but of course that makes no sens" is, indeed, totally missleading.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

I agree fully that at the end of the printer life, at least for one owner, there will be lost ink. I never said that’s a good thing. It’s not, but it simply doesn’t bother that much. First of all I don’t know exactly how it works and how much is left behind. Second, the cost of that ink is spread of my life of actual use of the printer and for me it’s deductible. Again, don’t interpret that as I like it, I most certainly do not, but I doubt any printer uses every drop of ink. I don’t know that for sure, I’m also not interested in studying it. But assuming no device drains completely then all devices have waste. Maybe this one more than others. That’s important, yes. I don’t know how many prints obviously.because I don’t know precisely how much ink there really is.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

A R Let me try to clarify... I’m am not an engineer and I can’t specify when the printer stops and warns of low ink in relation to the volume of the cartridges. Sorry. You’re expecting detail I can’t provide and I apologize. I’m sure that resource exists somewhere, I’m not it. As to my statement “it makes no sense”... if I still own the printer then I’ll insert new cartridges when they’re empty. So if cartridge A needs to be replaced then cartridge B goes in. The will allow the A ink to continue through the tubes. I get to use all of A. After years of use and many many cartridges there will be a point the printer is end of life. At that point yes, I will lose ink in the tubes, potentially a lot of ink. We are in agreement.

Epson has a watercolor paper that is only for pigment inc, Watercolor Radiant white. 1:01:00

@BehindTheShot

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the heads up!

@timothy790110

11 ай бұрын

​@@BehindTheShot thanks for the super informative video! I had the P900 for a few months, but had a few problems with it, mainly paper feeding. It had a real hard time taking 310 gsm canson aquarelle from top feeder (II had to use some force, and i didnt like that), and when i tried to use the front feeder, come to find out it was broken. they sent a techie out and he confirmed. they offered me a new machine or money back. I chose cash back and will use that money to the the IPG 1000. I print and sell my watercolors, and ill be using the printer every day, so not worried about ink wasting. also, the inks here are about the same price for the canon and the Epson, but the Canon cartridges are 80ml, and the Epsons are 50ml. On top of that the 1000 is on sale here for $910 ex tax. Seems like a pretty good deal, right? Have you done any comparisons ont eh p900vs the IPG 1000 that ive missed?

@BehindTheShot

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, $910 is a good deal. And yes, if you’re printing a lot the ink usage for maintenance cycles won’t be an issue at all. If you want other great printing info I recommend the Jose Rodriguez Photo Printing Techie channel here: youtube.com/@cheo1949

@timothy790110

11 ай бұрын

@@BehindTheShot cheers mate, i was listening to Jose as I read your reply!😃 One wonders if this sale is the final one before a new announcement though...

@BehindTheShot

11 ай бұрын

There’s no question, the printer is due to be replaced. Some rumors were that they were ready to release it until the pandemic hit.

Have you used the Calibration Tool?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Joel, sorry for the delay. Crazy weekend. I assume you’re talking about the option through the LCD panel under the “Maintenance” menu and “Color Calibration”, the. Auto Adjust? Yes, it’s recommended after initial installation, or if you see color shifts, to help with consistency when printing from multiple printers. So I did it at installation.

@joelmark9344

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Can it be used on top of icc profile? If so, how?

@joelmark9344

4 жыл бұрын

Also the Color Calibration app. I can't find a definitive answer. Can you get answers from your contact at Canon?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

They are unrelated to each other. The color calibration option in the operation panel is a calibration of the printer itself. ICC profiles are instructional files for your software on how to print a given file to a given printer model. You could technically print a file using the correct ICC to a printer that’s out of calibration just like you can print to a calibrated printer with the wrong ICC.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand this one. Not clear what you can’t get an answer for.

Did I miss the link to lightstalking dot com?

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

I added it above, along with the time codes you asked about. All the links related to the shows are always on the episode blog post, and all the shows have that link in their descriptions, but I will add more specific info here as well in the future. Thanks for pointing that out.

@storysupport

4 жыл бұрын

Behind The Shot Having a Jim Booth speak to the specs was a good idea. I already know the printer but there still was a little value added per his contribution. I’ve never heard of the Red River Paper company. The classification and queues that Drew Hendrix shared was very clear and helpful.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback as always. I agree on both counts. Jim Booth shared information I was not aware of, or that clarified things for me, in a way me reading specs couldn’t. As to Red River Paper, I can honestly say that they are fantastic. Before I started doing giveaways I wanted to know it was good, so they sent me a sample pack. I loved it and then started with the contests. The Baryta 300 is insane. Love that paper.

@storysupport

4 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot How about I already had Red River Paper bookmarked from an earlier search some time ago. I just found some great prices for a potential project!

With a $300 rebate now, this has made my "must-do" list. Now if it only weren't for the @$#&%! 9.25% California sales tax...

I think the Por-10 uses same inks but you get 13x19 as max, and none of the pro software and such feautres, but better than the Pro-100

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve not used the 10 myself, but like any hardware, the purchase depends on what you want and need. Overall these are all great for most users.

@philindeblanc

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot YEs, but if I knew, that it was a serios pro, I would have gotten the Pro-1000 sooner? :-) I recommend you try the RR Polar Glossy Metallic for hi saturation color. It pops. I like these videos of yours...Would be nice to see a side by side visual of same image on different ptints. Photos cannot show much, but videos and your quality lighting can show the nuances of papers.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh. I’ll need to try that. Different papers is my favorite part of the process.

@philindeblanc

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot I would have thought you have a sample, and maybe you mentioned it, but I may ahve missed it. Cheers!

what is this berida paper you speak of? how do I even spell it?

@BehindTheShot

2 ай бұрын

It’s spelled Baryta. Here’s the Red River Paper Baryta, which they say this about: “Palo Duro Baryta has been described as "as close as you can get to Oriental New Seagull G", which was a favorite of Ansel Adams.” Here’s the link: www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/palo-duro-baryta-fiber-paper.html

Hello all, I'm looking at this Photographic Printer because of the size of the Photographs that it produces. I'm thinking about how I can make money with this Photographic Printer, any suggestions would be appreciated.

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Willie, it’s not really a photographic printer, it’s just a very good printer that produces great photo prints. As far as making money from printing, that’s not an area I do or know well. It’s more the business side. Sorry.

@williefufu2985

2 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Thank you

Did I miss something? Why can't you show the sample prints??????? Isn't that sort of the heart of a printer review?

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

There are a few scenes, if I recall correctly (it was while ago) where I showed the images I printed and explained in detail what I saw,, but there is absolutely no way the intricacies of a print, shadow detail differences between the 1000 and 100 for example, will display in a 1080p video uploaded to KZread, where it’s further compressed and transcoded. Add to that the fact that most viewers are on mobile it serves not practical advantage. That’s why I showed the pictures and gave links to the general test images for people to try. So yes, I of course could show the sample prints, but you wouldn’t see anything unique in them in the video. I chose instead to try to explain my experience.

@caliman99

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Thank you so much for replying. I have been debating purchasing a proGraf 1000 and your review was EXTREMELY helpful. I understand your point about viewer device resolution, (and about this video being older). I thought maybe Canon had requested you not display prints or something. A thought for future reviews: Many photographers who review lenses, etc., use extreme close-ups of an image to work around lower quality end-user viewing methods, rather than rely solely on whole images. It is surprising how much missing information the brain can fill in. I, for one, watch such resolution dependent videos on a 4k monitor, not a cell phone. Anyway, thanks again. The review and interviews were very informative. I just wish there were a venue to see actual prints.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Great idea on the close-up of the prints, thanks for that. Really appreciate the feedback!

People need to realize the maintenance part of this printers which can depending on the user rate can exceed the amount of ink actually used of the creation of prints. You ink cost analysis did not include what EVERY PRO-1000 user is experiencing. Print cost would have to include the ink wasted during the auto maintenance cycles that are triggered after every 60 hours. You painted a fantastic image of this printer which I own as well as 12 others.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jose, thanks for the feedback. Maintenance every 60 hrs isn’t that much ink in comparison, and most printers experience some loss like that, so while various printers are not the exact same amount it’s basically a wash. For that reason it’s not a huge impact for me. But you are correct that it does affect overall cost. 13 printers is a lot, Hahaha. What’s your fave?

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

The Pro1000 and EPSON P800 with roll adapter. The problem is that MANY of the folks who buy this printer have any clue what they are getting into. Then they are terrified to use it a d end up using more ink in scheduled maintenance than they use in the production of prints. Often the ratio is as night a 4 to 1 against them. My channel is all about photo printing. Check it out.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 I just went to subscribe and realized who you are! I know your work extremely well, and I used a lot of your videos during my research! You sir are the expert we all need. Thank you for what you do, very, very much. Steve Brazill

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 Someday I would LOVE to chat with you on a show to dispel some common printing myths. Your knowledge is what people need to hear.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jose, Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I wanted to follow up on my earlier comment. Are you open to coming on the show the share some of insight?

I like the review. I like the printer. But the price calculation and comparison to the prices you pay when you let print... it's totally off. You also have to take in count, the workforce costs and much more important maintenance and machinery. So you have to add to the per print costs of your 1000-Pro the cost of the 1000-Pro divided by the images you've printed so far. I doubt the aha moment will be that big anymore.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

All good points. In actuality you’d have to include all the costs a print house would incur, such as electricity etc. In this case I was specifically only considering the consumable cost per print, as calculated by the software. A business user may need to include more cost basis analysis than a consumer or hobbyist that would not consider their labor or electrical an issue, since that would be fairly static for any printer. But yes, there are other tangential cost involved.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

And thanks a ton for the feedback and for watching.

@heiko4297

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot for sure. Was a very informative video nevertheless. 😊 And it's a great printer...aaaand I would love having one :D

What paper would you recommend to emulate Oriental Seagull?

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rodrigo, Great question. I’ve never used the old OS paper myself, but I’ve used the paper Red River Paper considers the closest equivalent. Their Palo Duro Baryta Fiber 300 is pretty awesome. On the site is says this: “Palo Duro Baryta has been described as "as close as you can get to Oriental New Seagull G", which was a favorite of Ansel Adams. It is not the exact paper to be sure. However, it will be your go-to paper for a true darkroom fiber look.” Of course I’m sure every paper company has something they consider an equivalent. If you have a different favorite paper manufacturer I’d reach out to them too.

@RodrigoCabralPhotographer

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot Thank you so much im very curious to try i was a big fan of seagull

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Anytime! Have a great day.

Too bad you guys didn't show any examples..except a few at end....kinda a like talking about a piece of music equipment and not hearing it.....however, still loved review...and talk about paper.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. It’s impossible to convey the details of a high quality, high resolution, good color profile, large print through a 1920 x 1080 Rec 709 color space video. Combine that with the varied viewing devices, and a display of prints would not only be misleading, but possibly a bad representation of what is actually a very nice product. To work around that I explain in the past segment what images I tested with, why I chose them, and what felt about the results. That verbal explanation is the only way I felt was fair.

The G in Giclee is French and is pronounced like the s in pleasure

@japamax

Жыл бұрын

No he had the right pronunciation \ʒi.kle\ . You must slow down or emphasize the sound é

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Christophe.

If You can write on pc or onto paper than chances are high You can also write on labels or directly on paper boxes (parts ot entire printing settings. You can ALSO store it all into personal Lightroom printing presets.) So Your overly enthusiasms is frankly a bit tiring and suspect. Still worthwile thought. Thanks.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and sorry my enthusiasm is tiring and suspect. I like what I like, and compared to past experience this was something I really liked. I prefer to focus on the positive, but I do appreciate your feedback. Cheers.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

A R Also, the settings I believe you’re talking about are driver level setting that are deeper than can be saved in a LR preset.

I bought this printer because I couldn't believe that it was wasting so much ink even with careful use. My experience is that over the course of just 3 months, the Pro-1000 has filled the second maintenance tank with 250ml of valuable ink used just for cleaning. During this time I have printed regularly, but only about 180ml has been used in about 200 prints (mostly A3). Conclusion: This printer is a huge scam in terms of ink consumption!

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

I agree, that there is a lot of ink used in cleaning cycles. That said, scam is the wrong term, in my opinion. That would indicate the design was intended to waste ink. I don’t believe that the Canon design engineers tried to waste ink for profit or some other gain. I just believe it’s a flawed design.

So sad to see the Canon guy and Steve openly lying about the actual cost of printing with Pro 1000. They did not mention the mandatory cleaning cycles and how much they cost in the actual ink, or in other words, the fact that if you don't use your Pro 1000 daily for a larger amount of prints, 80 plus percent of ink will be used just to clean and prime your print head. And the expense manager does not seem to be reflecting that.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, I'll bite. In order: You start off by calling me a liar, saying I am "openly lying". No, I am not openly lying. This video was done in Aug of 2019. It (the printer) was sent to me by Canon - as I clearly mention in the video - for the purpose of a review. I clearly state that I have not owned a printer like this before, and mention ones I had owned. I did a ton a of printing tests with the printer until the original ink set was empty. I did my review based on those tests. I personally had not experienced this issue, which is well out there now of course. So lying? No. Reporting what I found based on the time I had with the printer. In fact, at the point I did this review I had researched the printer elsewhere and had not seen any major complaints like that. If I had I would have assumed that all printers go through maintenance cycles that use some ink, but would not have assumed it was as bad as is now widely reported. Around that time, again, we are talking about 2019, I started seeing Jose Rodriguez (a great KZread channel about printing by the way) discussing the maintenance cycles and ink usage, and he then commented about the issue here on this video. So again.... not lying. When this was recorded I simply was unaware of it, but let's move on. You called the "Canon guy" a liar as well. First of all, you don't know either of us, and while I do not need to defend him, or even reply for that matter, here we go. Drew answered the questions I asked. He answered them openly and kindly, and shared his time. But he is a Canon employee. It is not his job to say "Steve, did you know there have been complaints about our printer"? Calling him a liar is wrong on many levels, including the factual level. Next up, we didn't mention the cleaning cycles (addressed above and not part of what the review was about anyway), and we didn't talk about the "cost in the actual ink". When someone tells you they bought a computer for X number of dollars, how often do they include the electricity it takes to run it in that cost? When you tell a friend you bought a new car for Y do also make sure to include the maintenance cost over the life of the car in that total? No, you don't. Devices has the purchase cost, the consumable cost, and the overhead costs. Everything has an overhead cost. Could one argue, as you have, that ink wasted on cleaning cycles should be added to the overall cost of ink instead of overhead - heck yeah. Totally valid point. But I was testing a printer, and it's software features. Part of that was the Accounting Manager, and it reports on the print job cost based on various variables you enter, such as cartridge cost and paper cost. That gives you the direct print cost. The maintenance cycles are not part of that job, they are not a direct client cost for that job, they are part of the overall cost of ownership. Would it be nice if the software watched all ink usage and had at least a separate report for that waste? Yup. But that's not a job cost - it is a cost, but like electricity it's overhead and the cost of doing business. If the printer was owned for commercial use, think wedding photographer printing their own prints, then the cost of that ink would and should be calculated into the resale price, just like payroll, rent, office supplies, etc. So, while I understand your frustration with the ink use, which I cannot confirm is the percentage you threw out above, the Accounting Manager (not expense manager) has no reason to display that as it can't be assigned to a specific ink and paper print job. And, I didn't mention all of that because A) as I mentioned at the start I was not aware in my limited use that the cycles ate a lot more ink than most other printers - I am not, nor did I purport to be a printer expert, and B) That wasn't the point of the review anyway. I clearly stated I was approaching this from the point of view that most people do not understand the differences in these large format printers. I spent over an hour talking about paper, and using larger printers, and the wonderful features of such devices, and a few minutes on the software, of which a smaller bit was on the Accounting Manager. Still you chose to call me a liar because that little bit, and you were not only wrong, but rude. When I did this video I also watched and read MANY other reviews on the printer. I didn't want to miss something I was unaware of because of my lack of experience with printers like these. Not one review that I read, not one, mentioned this issue. Something tells me you're not browsing to find them all and leave comments, but hey, I have been wrong before.

@MilanRegec

3 жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot OK, that's a long one. I apologize for the wrong choice of words. I should have reflected the facts and my concerns in a non-accusational tone in order to invoke a constructive debate. Nothing was meant personally. I hope you can accept my apology for this very wrong introduction to your channel.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

@@MilanRegec Debate is great, and no apology needed. You are not the first to point out issues they have found in the printer, usually over extended use. Most reviews don't do the extended time frame tests, and that's actually something I have considered for products I use very regularly. Unfortunately for me I don't print often enough to make that test valid in this case. It's actually one of the reasons I like @reneritchie when it comes to tech, he will do a "Product X after 6 months" or whatever, and it can be really interesting to see how opinions change, or are reinforced. My example is always FaceID. LOVED it for months, and then the miscues, not unlocking as easy etc came in to play... and then Covid. I still really like it, but a clear change of heart. Anyway, the bottom line is I appreciate that you gave the video a watch, cared enough to comment in any way, and came back to reply. So thank you.

The printer waste loads of ink which is very expensive.

@BehindTheShot

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Lee. If you look at the comments from Jose Rodriguez in these comments you’ll see a good explanation. This printer runs a maintenance cycle regularly, and that eats ink. Using it regularly, before the 60 hr cycle time, means the ink gets on paper instead of in lost in maintenance. But yes, ink is expensive, including on a printer that’s $1200.

@ytuberization

4 жыл бұрын

Jose has meanwhile corrected this wrong statement. Seems that there is no way to avoid these cycles. Unfortunately....

Giclee, or however it's spelled and pronounced, is just a fancy, pretentious name for inkjet.

@BehindTheShot

3 жыл бұрын

It’s the French pronunciation.

Does it clog? Answer. Yes and expensively so. The entire printer industry, whether Canon or Epson or HP, is one big fat ink scam. I’m thinking the clog issue is built into the systems to sell more ink.

@BehindTheShot

6 ай бұрын

You’re accusing an entire industry of fraud. No, clogging isn’t a design goal, and yes, consumables are a business on their own. But all nozzles will clog because they’re narrow little holes that pass a substance that is designed to dry. Some clog more than others due to engineering failures, bad design etc. Is the 1000 a problem child? It definitely can be.

Why did I have to wait over an hour into the video before you finally tell me you're not even going to show me the prints from the printer you're reviewing? 🤬

@BehindTheShot

2 жыл бұрын

Showing you the actual prints wouldn’t work. Holding them up to the video would never display the intricate differences of the prints from each printer. Scanning the prints introduces its own changes. Photographing the prints on a table or floor and putting that image in the video would also have issues. The camera and environment might introduce color shifts making you see what’s not accurate. In all those cases the result would be a representation of the prints that could never be accurate. Those would be recorded into a 1080p video and then compressed by KZread as well. Plus, prints are on a physical media that is reflective light. The monitor you watched the video on is backlit. Everyone’s monitors are different, color varies, resolution varies, and most are not calibrated.The only way to accurately judge a print is to see it. To hold the paper and see how the texture affects it. Sorry you’re upset about that, but it’s the call I made at the time to show you the original files and explain where a user might see differences.

you can’t show the prints! how disappointing. i wasted my time thanks

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

There is absolutely no way you’d be able to see the difference in 250 dpi prints between a Pro-100 and Pro-1000 in a 1080p video. A print is a high quality representation of a photo, and scaling it down to video wouldn’t carry the detail. Not to mention, some (most) seeing the 1080 video representation on a phone, some on a $100 Dell monitor, and maybe (but a doubt it) a few on a color calibrated screen. And you’d never be able to see the paper differences either. With all the info provided here, if that one thing means you wasted your time then my apologies. Good thing all the other info here was free.

@keithsaunders3378

Жыл бұрын

@@BehindTheShot thanks for responding, i know it wasn’t gonna be a representation of what the image looked like, but i still wanted to see you hold up a photo at least… i know i was (a lil bit) dramatic and and (a lotta bit) rude.. jus internet trolling mostly.. i have the old pro-100 that i haven’t used in years.. but have recently been thinkin bout getting back into photography… but yeah thanks again for responding, you seem very genuine and kind hearted

@BehindTheShot

Жыл бұрын

Hey Keith, I try to respond to every comment, or at least those that make sense. Usually, I’m not so snarky. Sorry about that. I do understand your point, and when I had about 50 images spread out I thought about showing them, but taking a photo of a photo is hilariously tough. None of my rooms allowed getting a good shot without a glare here or there. When I got close enough then there was a color cast from the room, or the surface they were on. That meant more post work. So, I started thinking about how I could even show them in a way that helped the viewer. Scanning the prints introduces issues, photographing them has its drawbacks as described. In the end, I settled on this… I definitely did not want to show the images in any way that introduced things I wasn’t seeing in person. That would cause a viewer to make decisions based on an inaccurate representation. Long story short, I decided to show the images on the website, which I do mention that all links etc are there. That way people might be able to see the actual image and follow my comments better. You can see those here by the way: behindtheshot.tv/2019/08/01/printers-paper-the-canon-imageprograf-pro-1000/ I really do appreciate your time watching, and understand it will never fit everyone’s expectations. So thanks for the feedback man. Hoping you have a great day.