I already have WN version but the Roman Szmal one is soooo pretty. I love using PR233 for mixes, esp toning down the green for foliage. Cheers.

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

oohh i’ll definitely need to try it with greens! thanks for the suggestion 🥰

Ah, potters pink. w&n still my favorite, schmincke just looks dirty in my opinion, the roman szmal looks interesting, might try it if i have the chance. at first i was kinda confused how to utilize this color since it granulated so much, but now i mainly used it for moody sky mixed with dioxazine violet or cobalt turquoise

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

i can definitely see why schmincke looks dirty to you. it is definitely darker. i'm just noticing i go through RS pretty fast since it's lower tinting so just be aware of that. ah! i love mixinng it with cobalt turquoise too! 😆

potter's pink is my one true love. i've got the WN and want to try the softer/pinkier RS. i love it straight up pure but have special fun with turquoises and blues. mixing on paper and gradient washes are just delicious! and yellows too for some stunning corals. i'll mix it with anything really!

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

i think a lot of people have W&N's potter's pink because it's easy to rewet and widely available. yes! do try the RS one when you can, i think it's lovely :D haha yeah~ i love it with cobalt turquoise. i haven't mixed with yellows though! definitely need to try that one :D

I find that several of Roman Szmal's colours look milky when you first paint them out, certainly their red Quinacridones do, but they then dry transparent ☺️ On screen the Schminke one looks a tad more brown than the W&N, I find that matches my experience with them, and I can usually se a slight difference in colour mixes there, but yeah, it's kinda irrelevant for me since I can't help but love the rosier tone of the Roman Szmal! 🥰

@Renilou2

2 жыл бұрын

It actually is more brown. W& N really is more pink than Schmincke. They are not exactly the same at all. You are seeing correctly. Many others have said the exact same thing.

@flyinghaggertys9362

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I thought it was just my pan, but I really don’t like RS quin red! I was just setting out to compare my quin roses because my Roman Szmal palette is becoming my favorite… if only I didn’t hate their quin red! Every time I mix with it I’m unhappy with the colors I get. They look dirty. And I wish they had a second quin rose option.

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

👋🏼 Hi Hannah! Thanks for the info about the differences in hue between Schmincke and W&N. Since many cameras tending to get colours wrong, I was not sure whether I was seeing the colours as they seem in real life.

@petiteflower5259

2 жыл бұрын

@@flyinghaggertys9362 Have you tried their quin scarlet? It's not the same as quin red but it is a really nice and unique color on its own.

@flyinghaggertys9362

2 жыл бұрын

@@petiteflower5259 I don’t, but now it’s in my cart. I have scarlet lake for my warm red because I know I love pr188 but I had forgotten about this new one! I saw Kim crick feature it in a video and it’s beautiful, thanks for recommending it!

I love this color!

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

i do too! ❤️🥰

Aaawww! The deleted clip is so cute! Thanks for sharing it 😄

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

waaahh🙈shhhh~ 🤣🙈

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaintinHiding 😂

I checked the pigments in Roman Szmal Potters Pink and there is no white pigment added, it's made from PR233. The same pigment used for the Winsor & Newton and Schminke Potters Pink. It must be more finely ground as other comments here have said.

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

yes! thank you for the checking RS and thank you for confirmation 👍🥰

I have all of these and Daniel Smith (I guess I love this pigment! Schmincke is my hands down favorite, but I do love the WN and the RS ones too)

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

that’s amazing! if u like schmincke then i guess you like it because it’s the strongest tinting? i’ve heard Daniel Smith’s PR233 is hard to rewet, do you find that to be true? thank you so much for watching and commenting 🥰

@alejandromorales9516

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaintinHiding Schmincke's the most robust and rewetable. But I use Potter's Pink mixed in with other earths or granulating blues to have it separate out. It's a nice effect. I don't use it all that often, but it's fun when I do!

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

@@alejandromorales9516 same here! i tend to use it to separate and make the most of the granulation 😁

The Roman Szmal is simply more finely ground. This pigment can get milky the more finely ground it is. This happens with a lot of pigments. I prefer the W&N and that's the only one I use. I usually prefer Schmincke paints over all but some pigments like this one, I wont use in Schmincke. it looks too dirty to me. I actually like the cleaner hue of Roman Szmal.

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

oh is that so?! this is the first i'm hearing about this. thank you so much! i didn't know pigments can get more milky the more finely ground they are. that's very interesting. i learn something new everyday, thank you! 🥰

I commented about how much I LOVE Prodigal Sons Potters Pink, maybe youtube didn't like that I included a link. But it is by far the most wonderful Potter's Pink I've ever seen, it's got at least twice the pigmentation compared to W&N and it is so much easier to rewet.

@dramaticona

2 жыл бұрын

When you add a link in a comment YT hold the comment in a separate comment section i has to be manually approved by the KZreadr and no so many do it, so the comments just disappear

@petiteflower5259

2 жыл бұрын

@@dramaticona Ohhhh thanks for telling me!

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

i've been hearing about Prodigal Sons more and more lately. i guess they're up and coming huh. i love that handmade watercolour makers are making these colours in a way that makes them different from widely available ones from well known brands in the market. ah yeah, even when i put links in comments, my comment doesn't show. and despite what Dramaticona said, i don't have comments held ssomewhere for manual approval. the comment just doesn't exists sadly. sorry for the inconvenience!

@dramaticona

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaintinHiding check your yt studio in a pc if you can. Sometimes is nothing in my comments in the app bit in the pc there are, and yes sometimes Yt just doesn't show the comments and it's like doesn't exists

@petiteflower5259

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaintinHiding they're a tiny little one man operation that happens to be a few hours drive from me, I don't think he's planning on going national anytime soon 😊

Roman Szmal might be sourcing their pigment from a different manufacturer. I see what you mean by Roman Szmal being more milky, but it is still the most beautiful of the three - at least in the video it seems to be the most beautiful. I’d like to try PR233 one day, but I have no idea how to use it, although I do have a couple of ideas that I would like to try.

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

oh yay~ im glad the milkiness shows through the screen. i tend to use PR233 for textural interest most of the time. kinda like a soft red earth. if burnt sienna is too dark for something, i’d use PR233 instead.

@petiteflower5259

2 жыл бұрын

I've been working on an undersea painting and pr233 has been really great for adding rocky texture to the rocks...the granulation is just spectacular. I like using it in backgrounds too, it makes great color separating mixtures that look really cool in big wet washes that you can then paint over.

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

@@petiteflower5259 Hi Petite Flower 👋🏼; it’s nice to see you again! And hi Vee! I was actually thinking of using Potter’s Pink in similar ways to the ones you describe, especially as a soft alternative to Burnt sienna.

@elvalediawiledth7453

2 жыл бұрын

I have the Roman Szmal PR233 and I agree with the observation. It was exactly what I was thinking too. I don't use the colour too much, but I like using it with prussian blue. It makes it so soft and the combination with the colour separation is phenomenal.

@jennw6809

2 жыл бұрын

You can mix a lot of the Schmincke supergranulating mixes with it! It tones down stuff beautifully, yes think of it as an earth color that adds granulation.

Great comparison, but I'm confused, they look like radically different hues here on camera! I see what you mean about the white changing it, but they still don't look all the same color to me after mixing. I do know the different particle sizes can create different hues. I have a handmade ultramarine pink that turns white after layering; I read on handprint some granulating pigments do that. I wonder if that's what's going on inside the RS.

Nice video👍🎨

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

thank you! and thank you for watching and commenting 🥰

I can't decide between the W&N and Schmincke, which one would you order, if you could only afford one please? (Main use as it is, for general illustrations, secondary use mix for skintones.)

@PaintinHiding

3 ай бұрын

i would go for w&n. schmincke is too “brown” for general purpose. hope that helps!

@greekveteran2715

3 ай бұрын

Helps a lot, Thank you very much,I really appreciate it! Keep up the good work!!@@PaintinHiding

Roman Szmal doesn’t have any white … its just looks like a Pink. My pink clothing tends to look more like RS. The other 2 are a darker pink. The difference probably has to do with type of binder. I. Believe RS uses a bit of honey? Nice comparison.

Hey Vee. Just wanted to tell you that I love your content and channel in general. I looked up potter's pink in one of my pigments of Historical significance. It had something VERY INTERESTING to say about Potter's Pink, or Pot's Pink. It mentioned CALCIUM or CHALK REALLY as a main ingredient. You were dead on and I think ROMAN was proud to be Authentic. Let me know what you think. It's not long, but I shall post it under this. Direct from my book in question 'POTTER’S PINK Priming green Red Synonym, variant or common name Potter’s pink was manufactured from tin oxide roasted with chalk and small amounts of chromium oxide (qq.v.) to produce a range of pink shaded pigments. It is also known as mineral lake and tin pink (Mayer, 1991). Burton (1907) states that this is the name given by the Society of Painters in Tempera to a potter’s colour first prepared in the early nineteenth century. A sample called potter’s pink was found by Dunkerton (1980) in the paint box belonging to Joseph Southall (1861-1944). The collection of pigments from the British colourmen C. Roberson and Co. Ltd now held at the Hamilton Kerr Institute, Cambridge, UK, contains a jar labelled ‘Potts Pink’(ref. HKI M. 250-1994). Chalk; Chromium oxide Burton (1907); Dunkerton (1980); Mayer (1991) 54"

@PaintinHiding

9 ай бұрын

oooh thank you so much for the info james. that's eye opening! hmmm... if this was the only RS colour that has this milkiness characteristic then i think the chalk/calcium would be a very apt fit and would explain it. but i've experienced this milky characteristic with other RS colours as well, whether it's organic, synthetic, transparent or opaque. RS has said before that he uses brighteners in his formula so maybe it's that.

@Ancienttowers

9 ай бұрын

@@PaintinHiding Your welcome luv. REALLY? Speaking of the chalky-Ness. I honestly don't know much about the brighteners. Of all the watercolor things I have, mostly specifically talking on the pigments or the history of the pigments or watercolor itself I have never been about brighteners I something I'll have to Google. And that's interesting what you say about the Roman watercolors. I've never bought any of his stuff I could have recently and I wanted to, but I sort of, and my own greediness, Splurge for 12 tubes of Michael Harding plus next day shipping and came to about 200 US dollars. But I really love the Roman paints. Every time somebody swatches them I am so intrigued by the loveliness of their pigment load and variation and pigment colors and I guess I should add the amount of individual colors they sell it's a great range. I don't think I would like the chalkiness of my watercolors though that would disappoint me. I heard Roman talk and an interview on KZread about the question regarding will he produce tubes for his paints and he said yes they're in the works of doing that maybe I will wait until he gets the tubes I much prefer tubes, even though I'll buy a pallet and pour my tubes into that so to speak, I still like having a bit of paint and the tubes when I want some fresh stuff. I'm sure you know what I mean. By the way love your videos they are fantastic. If you are interested in the book that I found that information from it's a PDF file because I bought the book electronically which I tried to do with most of my science books and which I have a lot of, I'd be more than happy to send it to you I think this one's only around 7 MB but it's a lot of pages over 500 just on the pigments and they aren't so many in this book you could just let me know here and I will give you an email address, okay? All my best to you XO- James

@PaintinHiding

9 ай бұрын

@@Ancienttowers i'll admit i dont know much about the science that goes into them either but i've been told by many over the years that brighteners do give some opacity. and yes, RS mentioned about the brighteners in that same interview video you mentioned about him working on tubes. i'm waiting on his tubes as well. if i may give a suggestion about RS colours so u don't have to waste too much money... the milkiness appears when wet, but once dry, transparent colours tend to dry transparent so the milkiness went away. personally i like RS colours for their earth tones. they really feel like their made from dirt and not ground up pigments. and thank you so much for offering the send the PDF file james, that's very sweet of you. i think i'll have to pass as i probably wont have time to read it. i have responsibilities and duties i neeed to keep up with and hardly have time to myself as is. thank you again though, i really appreciate it. and likewise, all my best to you too xoxo -Vee

@Ancienttowers

9 ай бұрын

@@PaintinHiding you got, anytime...just holler if you change mind.

First to comment!

@PaintinHiding

2 жыл бұрын

i shouldn’t be allowed to be second but… Second!!! 😁

@petiteflower5259

2 жыл бұрын

I left a comment earlier but it's not here now :(

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

@@petiteflower5259 oh, so sorry 😞! Second to comment, then!

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaintinHiding 😂😂