Post Office scandal: former boss denies "lying" at inquiry

Former chief operating officer of the Post Office David Miller has denied “lying through my teeth” when he told the inquiry he had not read a damning expert report about the Horizon system.
Sam Stein KC, who represents a number of subpostmasters, asked the witness: “Mr Miller, one of two things arise from that, you’re either lying through your teeth or you’re a complete incompetent - which?”
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  • @nigelbullock4411
    @nigelbullock44112 ай бұрын

    It seems to me that the entire senior management of the Post Office were not actually doing anything for their salaries. They neither read anything, said anything, did anything, spoke to anyone, this guy has got it spot on they are either lying through their back teeth or are uselessly incompetent. Jail time beckons.

  • @juliemaltby9751

    @juliemaltby9751

    2 ай бұрын

    Totally agree

  • @nigellee9824

    @nigellee9824

    2 ай бұрын

    No, because they spent all their working day trying to stuff the shop floor postal workers...yes, I'm an ex postman.

  • @Sidneyyoungblood75

    @Sidneyyoungblood75

    2 ай бұрын

    Typical bureaucrats and political types.

  • @t.dmytryshyn2615

    @t.dmytryshyn2615

    2 ай бұрын

    And yet when the Post Masters and Mistresses when they said they didn't understand why the system wasn't working the PO said too bad you're going to jail. I think the same thing should be done, ignorance is no defense in the law.

  • @dingopisscreek

    @dingopisscreek

    2 ай бұрын

    It was all about protecting the reputation of the P.O./Horizon. They were quite prepared to sacrifice anyone to do that. Paula Vennells and the rest never thought this would ever come out, so they lied and covered their tracks as best they could.

  • @davidallan5671
    @davidallan56712 ай бұрын

    As he declares he was not lying through his teeth so he was incompetent, can we claw back his bonuses and stop his large pension?

  • @eileenpritchard9154

    @eileenpritchard9154

    2 ай бұрын

    Jail the liar.

  • @user-ck8zu9tm1o

    @user-ck8zu9tm1o

    2 ай бұрын

    I don't see why not I mean, he seemed to agree to a lack of competence so he didn't earn those bonuses it would appear.

  • @geoffwright9570

    @geoffwright9570

    2 ай бұрын

    They're bound to deny any wrong doings because to say anything else is to admit being guilty of corporate misconduct. Which is becoming more apparent as the enquiry goes on.

  • @blue_jay31

    @blue_jay31

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes please !

  • @mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904

    @mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904

    Ай бұрын

    It’s because technically speaking…he’s wearing dentures.

  • @oghamstone5964
    @oghamstone59642 ай бұрын

    I don't recall.. I can't remember...not quite sure what I was doing....but I took my salary and sent innocent people to jail...

  • @exdoode

    @exdoode

    21 күн бұрын

    that sums it up exactly!

  • @kquat7899
    @kquat78992 ай бұрын

    Lying about lying.

  • @stuartlawson7977
    @stuartlawson79772 ай бұрын

    Lying through thier back teeth. Should be in jail. All of em.

  • @brianbeck4055

    @brianbeck4055

    2 ай бұрын

    Correct, it boils my piss.

  • @eileenpritchard9154

    @eileenpritchard9154

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@brianbeck4055 Mine too.

  • @kkiwi54

    @kkiwi54

    2 ай бұрын

    It's "lying through your teeth", "back teeth" is part of another phrase - fed up to my back teeth - you're welcome 😂

  • @user-pu5vd4mv5k

    @user-pu5vd4mv5k

    2 ай бұрын

    @@brianbeck4055 mine too

  • @owstonlad3859

    @owstonlad3859

    Ай бұрын

    @@eileenpritchard9154 very unladylike 🤨

  • @johnboy5736
    @johnboy57362 ай бұрын

    I agree with every comment below this, a disgrace to British business. Yes you are lying Yes you are incompetent.

  • @amandataylor130
    @amandataylor1302 ай бұрын

    Wow shocking how do these people get highly paid jobs

  • @paulfranklin8636

    @paulfranklin8636

    2 ай бұрын

    They went to the right schools and know the "right" people, we've all worked with them, the ones who never make an error (because they tend to do f*** all) but make themselves look very busy in front of senior managers and so get promoted because they've learnt the tricks.

  • @colinmiller8361

    @colinmiller8361

    2 ай бұрын

    They lie.

  • @Steve14ps

    @Steve14ps

    2 ай бұрын

    Freemasons

  • @ChrisMacG060

    @ChrisMacG060

    2 ай бұрын

    They are part of public school/oxbridge, free masons "network" etc.

  • @seanhaywood4597

    @seanhaywood4597

    2 ай бұрын

    they know the right people

  • @edwardhendry2179
    @edwardhendry21792 ай бұрын

    Corrupt as usual the management of the Post Office needs to be jailed.

  • @MM.-qo7pk

    @MM.-qo7pk

    Ай бұрын

    They all need to be put on a corruption register !

  • @JoelJoel321
    @JoelJoel3212 ай бұрын

    Lying and incompetence are of course not mutually exclusive.

  • @steviesteve750

    @steviesteve750

    2 ай бұрын

    Absolutely this. It's not two alternatives, it's one conclusion. Lying is a symptom of incompetence.

  • @paulfranklin8636
    @paulfranklin86362 ай бұрын

    Lovde that line "you're either lying through your teeth or you're a complete incompetent, which"? and all he could do was say he's not lying...thus proving what many of us had come to think of him after his first few minutes this morning.

  • @Steve14ps

    @Steve14ps

    2 ай бұрын

    As they say in a game of chess 'Checkmate', he didn't even see it coming! Incompetence

  • @johnclarke-vs9qe

    @johnclarke-vs9qe

    2 ай бұрын

    Did you know all the top brass at the Post Office have false teeth? That's why you should never believe anything they say!

  • @richardgiles2484
    @richardgiles24842 ай бұрын

    Shameful 😢

  • @MrGavinBoyd
    @MrGavinBoyd2 ай бұрын

    Will any of those responsible go to prison?

  • @GeraldineMulligan

    @GeraldineMulligan

    2 ай бұрын

    Doubt it.😡

  • @darrenpotton1875

    @darrenpotton1875

    2 ай бұрын

    No

  • @BLUESKY-zt1nv

    @BLUESKY-zt1nv

    2 ай бұрын

    Absolutely not ..!!! they will all get massive bonuses for telling lies .

  • @sphinx1017

    @sphinx1017

    2 ай бұрын

    They will get compensation for the trauma of having to attend this enquiry.

  • @iansmith7369

    @iansmith7369

    2 ай бұрын

    When this report is finished I bet we the people won’t be aware of the total outcome

  • @charlesregan9917
    @charlesregan99172 ай бұрын

    He is lying

  • @custossecretus5737
    @custossecretus57372 ай бұрын

    I don’t recall anything about the company I’m paid a fortune to run and manage, how I got the job I’ve no idea, how I got away with knowing so little for years is a mystery. 🤔

  • @childofthe50s53
    @childofthe50s532 ай бұрын

    Love this Sam Stein.....pushing them into a corner

  • @neilewart4347
    @neilewart43472 ай бұрын

    The government need to start building a new prison to house all those involved. Just watch the majority get away with it . The Establishment always look after themselves

  • @elfboy29

    @elfboy29

    2 ай бұрын

    Problem is they are involved too.

  • @Jazz-tv4qr
    @Jazz-tv4qr2 ай бұрын

    Sam Stein is amazing!!!!!

  • @davidbeacham5680
    @davidbeacham56802 ай бұрын

    These guys seem collectively to have very poor very poor memories. Not only that but it appears to indicate that they'd not have a clue about their responsibilities.

  • @TheSynthnut
    @TheSynthnut2 ай бұрын

    Wow, wish I got paid the sums these people got for being crap at my job. Not sure I would last long before being shown the door though...

  • @barbra7562
    @barbra75622 ай бұрын

    What a disgraceful state of affairs. Complete and utter incompetence and dishonesty.

  • @eamonfire
    @eamonfire2 ай бұрын

    Tired of this bullshit. They're all lying through their arses and need to sacked, with their wages going towards hefty compensation payments.

  • @fredsmith1970
    @fredsmith19702 ай бұрын

    absolutely lying - he did read that report, otherwise he wouldn't have known about, or had a view on, the report being "knocked" or why it was being "knocked"

  • @susanmarch1661
    @susanmarch16612 ай бұрын

    They are all just distancing themselves. It's like they are saying, it's ancient history. I've spent my bonuses and I don't care.

  • @Nick-xf5hr
    @Nick-xf5hr2 ай бұрын

    Why is he still enjoying his retirement? He should be in jail with his pension suspended.

  • @MM.-qo7pk

    @MM.-qo7pk

    Ай бұрын

    Confiscate his pensions, bank accounts , his assets , his passport and jail him

  • @freddycook630
    @freddycook6302 ай бұрын

    If you threaten these people with prison, I'm sure their memory will come back

  • @ChrisMacG060
    @ChrisMacG0602 ай бұрын

    This bloke should never have been in that job. He's proving and demonstrating he was totally out of his depth and utterly incompetent and had no managerial ability, so what exactly did he do while in that job? Looks like he was claiming money under false pretences at the very least.

  • @richardjones4142

    @richardjones4142

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't be fooled by his plea of incompetence and ignorance. That 's him parroting what his lawyers have insisted he say.

  • @minuteman4394
    @minuteman43942 ай бұрын

    I only had to look at him

  • @iangillon6981

    @iangillon6981

    2 ай бұрын

    same

  • @askarkeen9390
    @askarkeen93902 ай бұрын

    In Britain, any connection between pay and competence is purely accidental.

  • @KeithyTom
    @KeithyTom2 ай бұрын

    This is why the Korean and Japanese are largely critical of British business acumen. We promote incompetence usually based on private education. Will we never learn?

  • @seanhaywood4597
    @seanhaywood45972 ай бұрын

    we are constantly told that companys have to pay mega wages and bonuses to attract the talanted people, it a joke

  • @johnhall4851
    @johnhall48515 күн бұрын

    These crooks dont know what truth, honesty and integrity is.

  • @tysonator5433
    @tysonator54332 ай бұрын

    So not lying, just incompetence then, well that fits in with the professionalism of most of the staff that worked at the post office ! What really gets me this is all done with my tax money !

  • @adrianellis4497
    @adrianellis44972 ай бұрын

    When will liers be held to account? It should be a criminal offence in any enquiry to lie, and straight to gaol

  • @clarebennett7946
    @clarebennett79462 ай бұрын

    I would like to have asked him " sir, was the report not important enough for you?" Get out of that one.

  • @simmybear31
    @simmybear312 ай бұрын

    Lying through their teeth - every one of them! Is a pretty accurate assessment in my book 😡😡

  • @twankzoid
    @twankzoid2 ай бұрын

    Lying through his teeth AND incompetent!

  • @A2Z1Two3
    @A2Z1Two32 ай бұрын

    The lying toad , contradicted himself several times when asked similar questions 🙄. Good liars need good memories .

  • @stevenbusby5702
    @stevenbusby57022 ай бұрын

    OMG please put these people in jail.

  • @billwest4570
    @billwest45702 ай бұрын

    He is like every high level manager now, never done the job and bloody clueless, relies on underlings, takes all the credits for anything good, then blames them when it goes tits up.

  • @deeestuary
    @deeestuary2 ай бұрын

    Whether he read it or not I’m sure he was fully aware what it was saying about Horizon. It’s difficult not to believe that they knew the truth about horizon and that they knew they were prosecuting innocent people and sending them to jail. The alternative would have to be some mass delusion, probably a bit of both was going on. Personally I’m not interested in revenge and punishment, although they fully deserve it, what I would like to happen is for the people at the post office to tell the truth so we can all understand what was really going on and why. That way the sub post masters would at least get some closure as well as getting adequately compensated.

  • @wade6094
    @wade60942 ай бұрын

    Funny how all the answer's are 'I don't know' or try shifting responsibility onto someone else they should all face the same treatment and sentences the sub post masters went through plus their pensions and bonuses should be used to compensate all those affected by this blatant incompetence

  • @raymond3021
    @raymond3021Ай бұрын

    Lying about not lying, is there no end to these criminals doubling down on their lies. They don't even seem to care, any of them!

  • @Tyrrituil
    @Tyrrituil2 ай бұрын

    I'm not sure it's just incompetence

  • @johnclarke-vs9qe
    @johnclarke-vs9qe2 ай бұрын

    The level of incompetence is off the scale. The nation as "owner" of the Post Office should have most of the salaries of these people returned "post haste"!!!!

  • @gherkamum
    @gherkamumАй бұрын

    They know it was all wrong but did nothing, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty

  • @frankiesutherland4277
    @frankiesutherland42772 ай бұрын

    Why can’t these people answer a straight question? Lying and prevarication at its worst. They need to be jailed

  • @joydivider42
    @joydivider422 ай бұрын

    liar liar pants on fire...this needs to be in a court of law now with a prosecution team prepared to expose this nonsense infront of a jury

  • @Kevin-mx1vi
    @Kevin-mx1vi2 ай бұрын

    Another "stuffed shirt" in a well-paid job they're not competent to do. People like this are exactly the reason the post office is a shambles.

  • @annepoitrineau5650
    @annepoitrineau56502 ай бұрын

    What does this man know????? How was he spending his time if he was not reading reports???

  • @HughSmith
    @HughSmith16 күн бұрын

    Love the way they know exact times and dates when they are throwing their colleagues under the bus. However they "can't recall" when they are confronted with their own emails

  • @giovannisoave9634
    @giovannisoave96342 ай бұрын

    It all started with despicable David Miller, who convinced everyone that it was all the fault of the sub postmasters. Why isn't he in prison?

  • @TrentRidley
    @TrentRidley2 ай бұрын

    I totally disagree, there's no way this man is either lying or incompetent..... he's quite clearly both.

  • @orfordwolf5409
    @orfordwolf5409Ай бұрын

    ​​Whoever is at fault will get away with it. They will have their scapegoats lined up already.

  • @gherkamum
    @gherkamum2 ай бұрын

    They all just lie.......

  • @ianferguson2434
    @ianferguson24342 ай бұрын

    Just jail them even if they insist they've done nothing wrong. They took that stance with the post office staff. See how they like a taste of their own medicine

  • @billywindsock9597
    @billywindsock95972 ай бұрын

    Lying. Should be on trial himself.

  • @terryloftus3207
    @terryloftus32072 ай бұрын

    The best bit is that they ALL awarded themselves massive bonuses,even though THEY have the monopoly.Nothing will get done,they wont have to pay back their salary or bonus,but the govt will STILL go after a guy who gets a few quid when he shouldnt.

  • @mikejduk
    @mikejduk2 ай бұрын

    The scary factor would be, if any of these senior staff are still in their jobs today! Are they not, at the very least, suspended until this enquiry is completed! Surely, such incompetent bodies can not be left in charge of this business!

  • @sailingmrnice
    @sailingmrnice2 ай бұрын

    Shocking. And that's an understatement.

  • @Royboy50
    @Royboy502 ай бұрын

    How can they be allowed to to get away with this

  • @oldneo4309
    @oldneo4309Ай бұрын

    As Alan Bates said sell the PO to Amazon for a £1. Then bring on private prosecutions.

  • @johnwilliams2877
    @johnwilliams28772 ай бұрын

    They cant help lying through their teeth. Of course he will deny all knowledge.

  • @srmansfield1
    @srmansfield12 ай бұрын

    Criminal negligence and corrupt conduct. Why are not the PO executives and those of Fujitsu not been criminal prosecuted?

  • @zeusgb
    @zeusgb2 ай бұрын

    So basically nobody knows anything, hmmmm.....

  • @2ag816
    @2ag8162 ай бұрын

    These lying incompetents, yes both, shame this country! If people from the Post Office management team don’t end up in prison, this country’s shame will be compounded. If you told someone from outside Britain, this story, they just wouldn’t believe you!

  • @michaeltownsend1719
    @michaeltownsend17192 ай бұрын

    "lying" SO EVIL how do they sleep

  • @peterjackson2625
    @peterjackson26252 ай бұрын

    Evasive, like the others.

  • @andyhilton3359
    @andyhilton33592 ай бұрын

    This is one of many people in the post off management that need to face legal charges and face criminal investigation.

  • @user-ux4km9uy8v
    @user-ux4km9uy8v2 ай бұрын

    it's unbelievable that we have to listen to these bunch of liars every day when they should be in jail

  • @johny5724
    @johny57242 ай бұрын

    Unbelievable !!! trying to distance himself away from his role as a "Boss" at the post office

  • @KeaneVincent-ws6kk
    @KeaneVincent-ws6kk2 ай бұрын

    To realise how those in charge were so incompetent and selfishly up their own selves that innocent people and their loved oves suffered so much is totally sickening. So sad for those who suffered so unnecessarily.

  • @Scimiter1948
    @Scimiter19482 ай бұрын

    It wasn't me it was others, but I am not sure who!

  • @portcullis5622
    @portcullis56222 ай бұрын

    A perfect example of The Peter Principle. Most (ambitious) people get promoted beyond their level of competence.

  • @user-hd8fj2mb5p
    @user-hd8fj2mb5p2 ай бұрын

    Nothing to do with him, then? Arrogant and incompetent.

  • @auzonedave5403
    @auzonedave540323 күн бұрын

    A collection of Sergeant Schultz "i know nothing". Find a stalag for them please

  • @tullochgorum6323
    @tullochgorum63232 ай бұрын

    You are sending dozens of your own employees to jail - an action unprecedented in British history - and when there is a report suggesting that this is a miscarriage of justice you don't deign to read it?? Words fail me...

  • @andrewh2u
    @andrewh2u2 ай бұрын

    This guy...... such a liar and should be facing multiple perjury charges as a starting point. We need to see two faced lying Post Office executives (seen here) and their lying lawyers and investigators serving jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.

  • @b.2221
    @b.22212 ай бұрын

    At least the guy is consistent he’s still lying though his teeth 🦷.

  • @kevinrussell1319
    @kevinrussell13192 ай бұрын

    If this was a court of law it would be over months ago.

  • @tonyknight9912
    @tonyknight9912Ай бұрын

    They all have this memory problem, which is really code for I'm avoiding the question !

  • @steviesteve750
    @steviesteve7502 ай бұрын

    Lying is a symptom of incompetence. They are not separable.

  • @blue_jay31
    @blue_jay312 ай бұрын

    Arrest the man ! 😢

  • @gherkamum
    @gherkamum25 күн бұрын

    LIES....

  • @Setinmywaysalways
    @Setinmywaysalways2 ай бұрын

    They are now Treating this Inquiry with Total Conrempt.

  • @marspp
    @marspp23 күн бұрын

    Remember folks: all those corporations that people love buying products from have people like this leading them.

  • @kylerb2
    @kylerb22 ай бұрын

    Hope his family and friends finally realise what he's been responsible for.

  • @simontaylor2319
    @simontaylor231920 күн бұрын

    It's all "Dave", "Tony"....casual & unprofessional. No wonder these people are in the ___. We need Judge Jeffries at the bench

  • @animationsilo
    @animationsilo18 күн бұрын

    Just because they look like you doesnt mean they're doing right by you.

  • @jamesmcclelland4967
    @jamesmcclelland49672 ай бұрын

    Crook, Crook, Crook, Crook, Crook!!!! Bankruptcy and Jail! Use ALL of his nett worth to help fund the compensation scheme!!!!

  • @toraguchitoraguchi9154
    @toraguchitoraguchi915424 күн бұрын

    Usually it's both.....the incompetence leads to lying. In this case he probably skimmed through a report without bothering to pay attention.

  • @robwhitton7399
    @robwhitton73992 ай бұрын

    Couldn’t seem less bothered or interested shameful!!

  • @damo666
    @damo6662 ай бұрын

    The inquiry will not have any affect as its not going to go to court and no one from fujistu will get prosecuted. This whole thing is jist to pacify the public

  • @petethorpe9716
    @petethorpe9716Ай бұрын

    Lock him up.

  • @garyh5541
    @garyh55412 ай бұрын

    Boycott all Companies this individual works for now! Immediately !!!

  • @ricokwan7178
    @ricokwan71782 ай бұрын

    There are bunches of liars who should be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice for pursuing malicious prosecution. They should also be pursued via civil limbs for damages caused to the Post Office for paying compensations to the sub postmasters.

  • @user-kf5mn5vn3t
    @user-kf5mn5vn3t2 ай бұрын

    I have no pity for any of this mob as they had no pity for the people they put through hell and for some SUICIDE.

  • @andrewharrington2926
    @andrewharrington2926Ай бұрын

    Lazy liars. Jail time beckons.

  • @seancassidy8092
    @seancassidy80922 ай бұрын

    best tough questiooning so far keep it up...

  • @seancassidy8092
    @seancassidy80922 ай бұрын

    out of body experience...love it hes a liar..not wanting to incriminate himself..lock this guy up..corruption.

  • @mariahenao9988
    @mariahenao9988Ай бұрын

    It's high time we prioritize our needs and establish a reliable service, particularly for essential things like medication. We must consider the option of privatizing the postal service to ensure people have access to a dependable and trustworthy service.

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