No…the hover bike chase in Boba Fett takes the cake by far.

@Pinkorchid72

9 ай бұрын

😂

@Ghlain

9 ай бұрын

Oh yea.. the power ranger scooter force... that was pretty painful to watch.

@envrie9423

9 ай бұрын

Oh man I agree haha

@artforgreatness2015

9 ай бұрын

Oh yes, by the power of the Power Ranger scooter team. *So embarrassing and bad,* don't forget the guy doing his spinning technique with his blaster in the Book of Boba Fett, another scene where its so stupid and bad. Or where the woman bonk something at a stormtrooper helmet in Obi-Wan Kenobi..... yeah that was bad.

@australiancreepycrawlies6417

9 ай бұрын

I still can’t believe that. How many people did that have to go through to end up on the final product???😭😂

Remember Sabine's flamethrower and wrist launcher? Because the writers and directors of this episode clearly didn't.

@kecksbelit3300

9 ай бұрын

I think the wrist launcher was already empty by now

@CornyBum

9 ай бұрын

Mandalorian weapons are so versatile and powerful that writers often seem to corner themselves into facing questions like these by indulging in a moment when a weapon's capability is shown for some dramatic surprise. At least several moments in combat would've been quickly ended by actually using Sabine's weapons to their proper advantage.

@_KaiTheGamer_

9 ай бұрын

Also pretty sure she has one of those shield projectors on her left gauntlet like Bo-Katan and Paz Vizla. That would've been handy (har har).

@bernardliquete9292

9 ай бұрын

Heck, even Sabine's jetpack would come in handy when they were trying to board the Chimaera. It'd be like: oh no, Ahsoka is in trouble, better scoop her outta there and join Ezra on that Star Destroyer. 😂😂😂

@DarthDevorin

9 ай бұрын

@@kecksbelit3300 A simple scene of her trying to use it and nothing happening would've sufficed.

I didn’t hate this scene as much, but the only thing that bothered me was the Night troopers, not being chopped in half or at least a decapitation or 2 A little disappointing

@xSharpW

9 ай бұрын

Yeah for some reason lightsabers in Disney don't act like lightsabers unless plot needs to happen. They act like bats instead. In Kenobi it's really stupid when he is basically giving the storm troopers in Leia's holding room 2 quick taps not even leaving burn marks. And then here with the night troopers it was also just...it's just not great, it'd be so good if they had things work how lightsabers are supposed to but yeah...

@FrenchieArma3

9 ай бұрын

Yeah like it would be more horrifying if you had dismembered stormtroopers crawling towards them trying to kill them.

@DaveMaguire

9 ай бұрын

I agree I barley saw any cuts to the armor that looked fatal. If Cal Kestis attended, there would be no survivors cause he would've thrusted his saber into every chest he saw.

@thsxi

9 ай бұрын

All that there was was shallow cuts to the armour, which are less lethal than what happened to Sabine

@matthewoconnell1490

9 ай бұрын

Fuck yea! That is some straight bullshit. You cant deny it...

The fights in the show feel choreographed. They don't feel like people trying to murder each other. There's no urgency, there's no weight, there's no intensity. The prequels have shit dialogue but Anakin wanted to split Kenobi in two on mustafar and you knew it. You felt his hatred, you saw his speed, you knew his skill just from looking at him fight. Here everything feels slow.

@kinglift5611

9 ай бұрын

Preach 😂😂.

@Davross

9 ай бұрын

I think the prequels went too far in the other direction. Over choreographed to the point it looked like a dance scene with glow sticks.

@andrewli6606

9 ай бұрын

The part where Anakin and Obi-Wan were just twirling their lightsabers definitely didn’t look choreographed. What are you talking about?

@LilacSreya

9 ай бұрын

@@Davross Prequels choreography is inspired by old school Eastern Martial Arts movies which always had this type of “over-choreographed” gymnastics fighting which doesn’t look “real” (example Jackie Chan movies). Combined with the enhanced senses of space wizards with who can see the future, this is what it would technically look like.

@tastethecock5203

9 ай бұрын

@@Davross Dancing and martial arts are linked. Both require high skill, stamina and control over your body. You would be surprising how many of martial artists irl have dancing background of some sort. Calling fight scene a dance is a compliment, not an insult because of how physically demanding it is.

The scene felt extremely awkward; it literally had me cringing. It made me think of three cheerleaders performing their routine, only to realize at the last moment that they had each practiced a different set of moves.

@GuniperMooga

9 ай бұрын

Exactly my reaction too

@wickdaline8668

9 ай бұрын

Why do the things that make other people cringe not bother me at all?

@CrispedUp

9 ай бұрын

I like your pfp, you a fan of Wizards?

@wraith1701

9 ай бұрын

Thanks. The movie is cool, but what I like MOST about it is the character design of NECRON-99/Peace. He’s iconically bad-ass. 🙂

@idiocrat3744

9 ай бұрын

​@@wickdaline8668because people exaggerate their reactions while writing them.

For me the difference is clear when Ashoka vs Morgan. Morgan actress' movement is fluid while Rosario looking so stiff.

@anzuis7

9 ай бұрын

I think Rosario has potential. That fight was honestly one of her best. I think it has something to do with her “hair” tails which is y it makes it difficult but I’m sure they could have thought of something.

@arc1419

9 ай бұрын

Maybe is more difficult for rosario with all that makeup

@zackjl2777

9 ай бұрын

We also have to remember that Ahsoka is in her mid 40s she is not as powerful as she was in rebels and the last season of clone wars

@Clairejart

9 ай бұрын

The fight scenes use stunt doubles.

@Excalibur01

9 ай бұрын

Morgan's actress is the god daughter of Bruce Lee

Morgan and Anakin literally had to hold back their fighting speed for Grandma Ahsoka

@TonyStark-zt5fe

3 ай бұрын

@CSIGrissom Ahsoka literally looks so wide as well. I guess it’s canon that Ahsoka *really* likes to eat lol

@alexcervantes6297

10 күн бұрын

@@TonyStark-zt5feyou look wide

One thing that i DO love about the scene is when sabine tries to deflect a blaster shot, misses, gets shot in the head, stumbles back, then flails for a bit. Had they focused more on that during the scene it could have been more salvagable.

@isaackershnerART

9 ай бұрын

that would have been way better. I love how she realizes she has a blaster and basically goes f*** it, im shooting them

@brodaline2124

9 ай бұрын

Yeah great show she’s quite literally invincible

@royshavrick

6 ай бұрын

@@brodaline2124all live action Mandalorians on Disney+ shows seem pretty invincible except Paz rip legend

@FlyingCircles

22 күн бұрын

Gotta love how if she didn't have Beskar she'd be fried. Gotta give credit to a stormtrooper with perfect aim (and a zombie trooper at that). But, you know, sometimes plot armor is literally physical armor. Just ask Mando. I personally want to believe that Beskar must have a "magnetism" effect on blaster bolts considering how nobody with Beskar ever takes a hit on the 50-80% body mass NOT covered in it.

Part of me feels like if Ahsoka was an animated series instead it would have been the most bad ass thing ever, but they failed to capture lightning in a bottle bringing these characters to live action. The show has its moments, but it falls behind its predecessors

@moneybaglifts1944

9 ай бұрын

That’s what I was thinking

@MahiMahi-yu5jo

9 ай бұрын

Yes. I would have prefered them taking the animated route...

@StrykeSZN

9 ай бұрын

EXACTLY! that’s what I have been saying, fights would look so much better

@TheJadedJames

9 ай бұрын

@@StrykeSZN Remember Ahsoka vs Maul? Remember Ahsoka’s utterly bad ass decapitation of that dude in Tales of the Jedi? We could have been getting hype **** like that every week!

@General_Klytus

9 ай бұрын

Agreed it should have simply been a new Animated Season of Rebels and Nobody would have Complained

I never understood how you can have a room full of armed troops against three people, only one with blasters, and the troopers take turns shooting at them so as not to give the good guys too much to block. Why don't all the Stormtroopers just open fire at once and obliterate them? It worked in the Clone Wars against Aayla Secura and other top-tier Jedi. Why wouldn't the Stormtroopers follow the same plan? After all, their leader is the most decorated combat strategist in the Galactic Empire.

@gabrielchastain6091

9 ай бұрын

These stormtroopers are not trained in the art of killing Jedi like the clones were Clones were made to be ready to kill Jedi Not only this but not every Jedi is good at blocking blaster bolts Different Jedi is saber forms are better or worse at blocking blasts And multiple Jedi didn't even. Have time to know what was happening Aayla secura was shot in the back Plo koon was blown out of the sky Ki adi Mundi was confused as to why his buds suddenly just started shooting at him and he was having to worry with droids possibly attacking him from behind him That one Jedi got blown up on a speeder bike And you want to criticize this but this is a problem in all of star wars So many scenes where expert blaster users conveniently miss for plot reasons This isnt an Disney issue This is a star wars issue One scene that already comes to mind is Yoda and obi wan storming the ruined temple and multiple blaster bolts just conviently flying past Yoda and obi wan and some even being aimed at the lightsabers blades themselves

@ChapMeifan

9 ай бұрын

Fair enough, but if Grand Admiral Thrawn was really the top-tier strategist he's made out to be wouldn't he have forseen that eventually Jedi would be engaged in combat and taught his Stormtroopers to fight them this way? I don't think it's fair to blame fans for inconsistencies in writing. This was an awfully filmed scene that could have been done so much better. That in itself is a Disney problem.@@gabrielchastain6091

@thestrongestnerd4284

9 ай бұрын

Because plot armor always protects the good guys in these kind of things😅

@thunt02

9 ай бұрын

It’s just a Star Wars thing

@chadbrad8100

9 ай бұрын

That happened to Ashoka during Order 66 and she still escaped

As soon as I saw them standing like that. I thought “bro this is like those really bad scenes in cheap movies”

I'm disappointed with Ahsoka's lack of speed and agility during her fights overall. However the duels against Morgan really had me engaged, both actors did a great job displaying skill and power (especially actress Diana Lee Inosanto). I liked the finale and how the show explored Ahsoka's guilt about Anakin and why she's deserving at a life of happiness. I loved when Ahsoka smiles it truly warmed my heart.

@andrewj1754

9 ай бұрын

Ahsoka isn’t as young as she used to be…

@uhagi6720

9 ай бұрын

The fight with Morgan looks cool, until you realize that there's no reason why Ashoka even should have fought against Morgan twice. Its like she forgets that she has force abilities that would make it so that Morgan wouldn't even be able to touch her. What's stopping Ashoka from flinging her away like she did to Shin? Or pushing her like we've seen Ezra do to the Night Troopers? She could probably rip the blade out of her hand and just end the fight immediately.

@novustalks7525

9 ай бұрын

​@@uhagi6720because Morgan has powers too

@christophernemeth421

9 ай бұрын

These fights might look better because a stunt woman probably played Ahsoka

@Natee178

9 ай бұрын

@@uhagi6720mother talzin fought against mace window and held her own, nightsisters are very powerful especially when they are given the rebirth that Morgan was. You could literally say the same about any lightsaber fight ever, both characters are leveled up for their final fight and that’s why Ahsoka sent Sabine and Ezra away, Morgan was a much more formidable opponent once she got the power boost and the sword.

My sweet summer child... Here comes "The power of manyyyyyyy"

I really think her costume has something to do with her stiffness. Although the scene of her practicing with Anakin’s hologram has to be some of the most awkward movements I’ve ever seen

@TonyStark-zt5fe

3 ай бұрын

@ChocolateAsian9000 Rosario also looked like she’d gained a bit of weight so that could’ve been it

@OdaKa

Ай бұрын

they should have made a better costume then

Was she playing Beat Saber or did she forget that she: -Fought through the entire Clone Wars -Was trained by Anakin -Bested Darth Maul -Survived Order 66 -Set the foundation of the entire Rebellion -and fought Vader and lived to tell the tale?

Her training in the ship before the scene looked a senior citizen doing morning water aerobics

I think the problem was that Ahsoka was doing a lot of twirls in the same direction, like twirling both sabers forward and then backwards so it looked funny. Her deflections seemed loose, like look at Ezra he is blocking shots and keeping his stance tight and centered. Ahsoka in clone wars did the same thing, even with dual lightsabets one would deflect, then she'd have another block the next shot but she kept her stance tight and the sabers centered for maximum protection. The speed isn't the problem, its her stance its loose, not maximizing protection of dual sabers, its awkward

@justinharvey7398

7 ай бұрын

They look like baseball hitters trying to gently punt a ball. Like, why are Ahsoka and Bo Katan pushing against the blasts?? They can just hold the lightsaber in the proper angle to deflect the bolt. There's no need to push it back.

@davidcirovic8620

3 ай бұрын

ezra looks like a donkey in the shot aswell

@ejtom7455

3 ай бұрын

Probably one of the most accurate comments. CW ahsoka doesnt do twirls coz it's irrelevant. Their stance and blocks have to be planned and accurate, not just randomly swinging without a purpose. Also CW ahsoka's gameplan wouldnt be just standing and waiting, she'd be charging towards you and do acrobatics.

In season 7, Ashoka was mocap by Lauren Mary Kim who is a phenomenal stuntwoman. The difference in physical skill is extreme.

Will you take it back now that acolyte is out?!?!?

I was actually expecting it to end with Thrawn’s campaign beginning with him making an announcement and then the former imperials in the New Republic began to attack Republic officials. And one of the things would have been Hera having to get Mon Mothma away from being captured meanwhile the Imperial remnant meets with Thrawn and they begin an attack.

@rl00668

9 ай бұрын

The writers don't understand how to create tension and raise stakes. Look at Mando season 3's ending. It set up nothing. There was no big loss experienced by the characters, no growth. It's all just content now.

its really weird because the action in all previous 7 episodes looked great - especially episodes 4 and 5. So its really confusing

@crplegokid1268

9 ай бұрын

All had different directors to be fair

@urDM2nite

9 ай бұрын

I wonder if Rosario was injured or something. It all started in that kata scene with the Anikin holo. She was so slow and rigid, unlike anything done before that.

@darkwolf860

9 ай бұрын

​@@urDM2niteshe's always been choppy and lacking fluidity. This was just one of the worst cases. To be fair the anakin/ahsoka fight shows it really well. You can tell Hayden is fluid and is actively slowing down to account for her.

@random135246

9 ай бұрын

@@urDM2nite I dont think so - I think it was the director. The staging of all the combat in the episode exceept for the duel was off

@199512Lars

9 ай бұрын

​@@random135246It was the same director who did the Mandalorian season 3 finale. That had it's own problems but the action was actually pretty good.

It annoys me that people are now saying 'what ever happened to the choreography of the prequels' when the exact same people spent the whole of the 2000s and 2010s complaining that the prequels over-did choreography, and looked too planned out, saying it was like a dance sequence. Are we just going to pretend we don't remember that? Now that enough time has passed and newer things have come out, they romanticise the prequels and act like they weren't saying the exact same thing less than 10 years ago about the Maul fight. This is why I hope creatives stop trying to listen and pander to fandom cultures, not because they won't make mistakes, as all creatives do at some point in their career, but because the idea that fans know what they want and know better than the creators is false. When Sequel era kids are old enough I can't wait for 'What happened to throne room choreography?' It's the same pattern, no wonder George got fed up and stopped making new films. Many fans just don't care about consistency of perspective, it's just their knee-jerk reaction to something taken to the furthest extreme and the further people explain why they have a strong emotional reaction to something, the clearer it becomes how little they understood the source material, to begin with.

@angryjoe98

9 ай бұрын

Exactly!!! People complained so damn much about the prequel trilogy having fake looking saber battles that they looked like a dance and it was to flashy and the moves made no sense. Its annoying this fandom is shit

@DarthRive3

9 ай бұрын

People seem to forget as well that the prequels, were prequels. You know, where thousands of Jedi existed and had free time to actually train in combat properly? Unlike the OT Where Luke had like a year's worth of training or so, and Rey had even less in the sequels. Unless the character was trained by a prequel era duelist you're not going to get prequel level choreography lol. And people also seem to forget that in the prequels, we have the Obi-Wan vs Anakin spin off that was completely useless to the fight on Mustafar lol. The Throne Room choreography sucked too, you have that one guard getting hit by an invisible weapon lol. it's the same with lightsaber effectiveness. Original Trilogy had luke's saber bounce off metal pipes against Vader. Kenobi's saber bounces off stormtrooper armor. But fans cry "Why don't sabers cut through anything?" Because it already exists that sabers will not always 100% cut through an object.

@Ale-dd3ek

9 ай бұрын

The problem Is that they tried to combine prequel spin with OT pacing Turns out It sucks

@MrOiram46

Ай бұрын

I think the people who complained about the prequels are like 40-60 years old now, and the people who praise the prequels and complain about the stuff now were growing up during the prequel era 😂

@hapablap2088

Ай бұрын

Too much choreography to no choreography at all. You seem to think people cant dislike both.

The Acolyte episode 3 : "Hold my blue milk"

Remember when anakin waited trillion years to wait for her to dismarm him? It's pure star wars Comedy, and really must laugh in a genuine way. This Scene is almost on the same Level.

Anyway the real reason why Lightsaber fights have been slower since TFA is very simple: The Props they've been using the LED light ones are bigger and heavier than the Allimnum/Carbon Fiber/Plastic rods they used in the PT, so it's harder on the actors and Cherographers (but easier on the VFX team)

@thunt02

9 ай бұрын

Exactly, I’m hoping they will figure out something that still has a light up blade, but nowhere near as heavy, kind of like the base lit sabers you can buy online

@vetarlittorf1807

9 ай бұрын

I still think they should bring back Nick Gillard to choreograph the fights. Also, the reason the sequel fights were so slow was because JJ Abrams hated the prequel choreography for being "dance-like." He apparently forgot that Jedi have precognition and heightened senses.

@mikeschmidt4624

9 ай бұрын

Not entirely true. There are plenty of fan films and live choreo that use the same LED sabers and are still very fast and kinetic because these are people that have trained for a while. Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen still move great for being out of practice for nearly twenty years. Most of the stunt people look good; I especially think the actress for Morgan Elsbeth elevated the final duel because she was a stuntwoman. The actress for young Ahsoka looked great even though she had the same or maybe even less prep time as the main cast. The new sabers might be a bit heavier but the main problem is still time constraints and choreography.

@jpcreativeimagery

9 ай бұрын

nah, they just suck. Disney sucks, the writers suck..all of it, maximum woke sucktitude.

@mr.sidecomments9278

9 ай бұрын

"The Props they've been using the LED light ones are bigger and heavier than the Allimnum/Carbon Fiber/Plastic rods they used in the PT" So how do you explain Hayden and Ewan being able to recreate their ROTS moves in these series?

I can agree with you on that, could've been at a faster pace than what we got. But that's Disney Star Wars after all.

@crplegokid1268

9 ай бұрын

Hey bro, I know you’re retired, but who do you think would win? WBW Anakin, or Mortis Anakin? Hope you’re having a great retirement!

@username.exenotfound2943

9 ай бұрын

tbh saying its disney star wars is no excuse

@starcabal2006

9 ай бұрын

@@crplegokid1268 WBW Anakin

@crplegokid1268

9 ай бұрын

@@starcabal2006 thanks, have a great rest of your day!

@klerb342

9 ай бұрын

disney has no problem making good fights for their marvel movies maybe we should stop accepting their garbage for star wars

How are they able to make it look so cheap with such a huge budget. There is truly no talent left in lucasfilm

All the light saber battles in ahsoka were so bland. They'd just walk around each other, thinking about fighting

The props they use are a lot heavier compared to the ones they used in the prequel’s. Disney tries to compensate the weight by making the blades shorter but it’s still not the same.

@kecksbelit3300

9 ай бұрын

I don't get why they use them at all. Yeah they may be cheaper but they lose a lot more. The sabers don't feel als powerful they more look like led tubes.

@Galm1

9 ай бұрын

@@kecksbelit3300 I believe it’s because the props give off actual light. It also makes editing in post production easier.

@kecksbelit3300

9 ай бұрын

@@Galm1 yeah that's what i meant with it may be cheaper. But i still don't get it, cause it also looks cheaper. In my opinion a lot of people would like disney star wars a lot more if at least the fights looked like in they looked in the prequels

@bardockmou

9 ай бұрын

Easier? i hate seeing the sabers being that short...@@Galm1

@gigaatom

9 ай бұрын

​@@bardockmouthey edit a longer blade ontop of the prop?

The Qui-Gon/Kenobi Vs Maul fight, the Anakin VS Obiwan, then in the OGs with the gravity of Luke and Vader on Cloud City, this just doesn’t compare so it feels kind of powerless. That’s actually the real word for the feeling I get behind this new Ashoka series and the force in general in Star Wars now. It just feels powerless. Like no weight to anything.

I noticed that too. Her moves were clunky and wierd. It didn't look like she actively tries to deflrect blaster shots but she's practising parade performance.

I was more upset that not one of them thought about slicing a trooper. Like they see that the troopers LITERALLY rise from the dead and even as they were backing up that even deflecting or causing flesh wounds they still got up and kept coming after them I would’ve expected Sabine to actually be the one to at least cut a trooper head off or in half and could’ve shown a difference between Sabine and ahsoka that ahsoka would’ve still been deflecting shots as a light side thing where ahsoka isn’t directly doing something vicious vs Sabine finding a solution that is quick and end all but it would be a way for her to fall to the dark side with being more aggressive and her killing something this already dead that she can go and kill a still sentient being

On Ahsoka's part it's as if she was learning how to use 2 sabers for the first time She'd do 3-4 parrys with one blade then switch to other, then rinse and repeat

They really really need to hire a fight choreographer. All the fights in the show had obvious swings just for the camera and bad choreography. A lot of B tier pirate movies had much better action. At least follow Christopher Lee's advice!

I literally laughed when I saw this scene. It looked like a school project lmao

There seems to be a large growing body count of “worst scenes in Star Wars” since Disney took over it.

It literally felt like the boba finale 😂

@thestrongestnerd4284

9 ай бұрын

Very good comparison actually, a stiff, jumbled up plot armor mess

Yeah - I found this scene very disappointing. There wasn't the intensity of earlier fights, it was almost as if they couldn't get it right, so they used rehearsal or 'the best of the bad takes' footage. "Just wave your arms around, we'll put the FX in later."

The fact that stormtroopers just run instinctively toward anyone holding a lightsaber will never not be funny to me

I don't think it was an terrible scene, but definitely not the best scene and could've been better. But hey, glad to see them three battling it out.

It looks like your holding deflect in the complete saga

Ikr like that seen was kinda goofy💀 It was like some main character video game moment

The immediate comparison that came to my head of that initial awkward to frontal head-on cut is a literal game of Beat Saber. Rhythmic slow motions like swatting away flies with fans or a conductor in front of an orchestra. Luke at the end of Mandalorian Season 2 had faster, sudden moves which make more sense in combat, not the slow and lazy moves as in that opening scene. I liked the fight choreography that came after. Ezra's Eman did alright, and Sabine was SUPPOSED to be less skilled and awkward trying to predict blaster shots so Natasha Liu B. is off the hook for this one. Rosario... 🤦 She had better fight scenes, this was not one of them.

There's been quite a bit of criticism of Rosario Dawson's un-Jedi-like physicality/athleticism in the series. Seems like she's not gifted in that respect and the production did a lousy job of covering for it with clever choreography and editing.

I did not like this scene at all. I am so tired of Stormtroopers being just useless fodder, and yes these "Nighttroopers" get resurrected using Nightsister magic this barely increases their deadliness. These are the Stormtrooper survivors of 10 years of exile on a deadly planet filled with hostile bandits. These Stormtroopers I would argue should be some of the deadliest and most desperate combatants we have seen. They are 10 year veterans of conflict and are also on the cusp of going home, how are they not pulling out all of the stops to defeat their enemies in one on one? I would want to see these troopers go hand to hand in scrappy fights and may actually get the upper hand at times, and when they do fall because lightsabers are pretty deadly, the resurrection would actually be way more scary. As it stands, the resurrection is just bringing back more soldiers to get mowed down and provide easy xp for our heroes. Thrawn's forces in general were just WAY too inept, the ships laser batteries can't hit 2 targets heading for one doorway traveling at most 30 mph? His Tie Fighters get hit out of the sky using a melee attack from another starship (the most indestructible starship I might add)? THESE ARE 10 YEAR EXILE SURVIVORS, they should be awesome at their craft by now.

It's like when you played power rangers on the playground back in the day fighting fake bad guys

All those troopers had to do was form a firing line, then all fire at once. The fact that clones could kill Jedi by shooting them but that massive number of stormtroopers couldn't do jack was pathetic.

@kurtpunchesthings2411

9 ай бұрын

remember these are storm troopers they can't hit shit LOL ever since A New Hope

Lets be real, Ahsoka, Sabine, or Ezra have NEVER cut an actual person in half. Only droids. I know this was due to them originating from a PG animated series so they COULDNT show that. However, this still canonically makes sense. I also dislike how people criticise this scene because they dont move. When in almost EVERY episode of Clone wars/ Rebels you have these "stand your ground" moments, where all the characters do is hold still and deflect blaster fire with their light sabers. Everything the characters do in this scene are things they've done before. that's jsut how they fight. How they;ve always fought. People who criticise this scene have no idea who these characters really are and have probably never watched the shows they originated from. everything they do in this scene is soo spot on and just perfect for them. PS. i also like how Ezra gets introduced. In his first fight scene all he does is do the things he used to do in Rebels. never actually strike the enemy with his light saber. he kept his fighting "pg" XD.. (only knocking people out, blasting them with their own blasters, etc) and that just felt soo true to how he use to be in rebels. Like.. we gotta take into consideration how these characters fought i nthe past. Ezra isnt gonna be chopping people in half anytime soon .. he's NEVER fought like that before.

@sarahc2401

9 ай бұрын

So true

I still don’t understand why Thrawn would send half of his Troopers to finish off Ahsoka & Co instead of sending another batch of Tie Fighters after their ship was taken down There’s so many dumb decisions in this episode.

@kieffer9705

9 ай бұрын

Tbh anything he sends will be all destroyed in one way or in a very ridiculous way because of the big thick plot armor Dave filoni made for his characters.

@gabrielchastain6091

9 ай бұрын

I'm assuming he wanted to distract them Thrawn wanted the troopers to distract them which mostly worked And the soldiers are expendable to him so they arnt important

@gabrielchastain6091

9 ай бұрын

​@@kieffer9705so basically all of star wars then? Because of the massive plot armor of the main characters in most if not all of the media

@angryjoe98

9 ай бұрын

@@kieffer9705you act like Luke Han and Leia had not plot armor and tbh it was less believable than this show considering these characters are extremely capable fighters stop blaming Dave he literally the only one doing star wars well and you people shit on the guy. It’s disgusting

@kieffer9705

9 ай бұрын

@@angryjoe98 oh yeah all hail dave filoni for his awful writing on his show You're one of the clapping seal of dave filoni he can't even managed the plot armor right and he basically downgrade thrawn because every thing he sends failed and gets destroyed by the protagonists which doesn't even show that they're good at fighting.

The power of manyyyyyy

Ahsoka won that fight because she had the power of many on her side.

Yeah, that particular shot of 3 characters spaced out in a line, just standing still ... It was just terrible. Took me right out of the experience just visually with how static and boring it was. Why not have some actual movement, an over the shoulder shot or something. Shouldn't Ahsoka be running forward, dodging and blocking shots while closing to melee distance? Instead of just standing still?

Even Fanmade shows are better than this ...

@TonyStark-zt5fe

3 ай бұрын

@RepsyHD in fanmade videos, 20 year old cosplayers will play characters like Ahsoka and will actually be fit and in shape. Rosario Dawson got too fat

I loved the episode personally and so have most people I’ve talked to. I think that scene felt a little stiff but I really liked the night troopers. I only wish there was some limb loss from the troopers. Despite that the episode was great in my eyes.

0:31 All of the complaints about lack of decapitation and limbs being cut off are really stupid. Do people seriously not understand how ratings work? Be happy that they did give us a decapitation at all given the restraints on such violence.

@ridensroom6957

3 ай бұрын

But these are zombie troopers. I think that will get a pass with the censors here

@tk-6967

3 ай бұрын

@@ridensroom6957 No, they were humans. They become zombies later

Why couldn’t they get someone who actually looks like ahsoka and is more agile and hire a stunt double for all the flips she does in her signature fighting style

Honestly I never realized ahsoka moved slow…but then I realized it was because I never actually watched the fights. My mind just glossed over them all as there was no stakes or internal consistency. So I just mentally checked out.

@ljoness1

Ай бұрын

Relatable

I could actually see how the fight was, that I really liked. Call me an old wizard.

@J-Salamander69

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I completely get that. I loathe good fight sequences getting ruined by silly vfx. People have become used to what I call the "schizophrenic camera" with jarring focus zoom and fast cuts, which is frequent in contemporary asian action entertainment. To me, that style is unwatchable, gives me headaches. Unfortunately the attention spans of some audiences now only last for about half-a-second before they get twitchy and annoyed. Hence the rise of Tik-Tok. So I guess now, 'normal speed' is too slow. 🤷‍♀

@theGhoulman

9 ай бұрын

@@J-Salamander69 no one cares what some AI thinks.

@J-Salamander69

9 ай бұрын

@@theGhoulman Huh? How do you arrive at that conclusion?

@theGhoulman

9 ай бұрын

@@J-Salamander69 unlike a lot of films, etc., the fight scene was visible, not in the dark (!) and one could follow what was happening. As opposed to the often terrible habit shows have of dark, muddy, shaky shots of kicks and punches through the air lazy junk.

Really weird that we only got ONE beheading when the first time they saw the troopers rise from death they WOULD have immediately began dismembering them all if they had any sense at all. Oh glancing strikes and stabs aren't taking them down anymore! Let's just slowly retreat instead of acting like Jedi with lightsabers 🙄 Zombie trooper torsos with no arms or legs wouldn't be much a threat I'd bet...

I hate how ahsoka didn't use her reverse grip as much as she always does

I thought those short and tight deflections were specifically a direct reference to her training with the 501st and the motions are literally the exact same as the first few she deflects before Rex gets up and starts shooting at her from the back in which case she starts doing short half spins. I loved it. It's literally her training both Ezra and Sabine in the same vein as Anakin trained her. It reminded me of Kelleran Beq anticipating where the bolts would be. Now Ahsoka can sense their intent even when they're dead. Pretty cool. Beyond cool to me. Like she's advanced so far that it looks effortless to her. Then immediately she dialed it up against Morgan including at some point fighting off both troopers and Witch.

@publiusventidiusbassus1232

8 ай бұрын

I don't get why Star Wars fans feel the need to defend bad choreography with "lore". Rosario just looks goofy doing those halfassed lightsaber spins.

I don’t exactly know what her new status thing is called but isn’t her slower movement bc of her revival - the slower movement represents new found wisdom compared to her rash and fast movement when she was younger

@pocketfarts

9 ай бұрын

Shhh, that's critical thinking and there's no place for it in star wars fandom. It's all crybabies all the time or gtfo.

@macwelch8599

9 ай бұрын

I never even considered that, interesting

@crplegokid1268

9 ай бұрын

@@pocketfarts yeah. People will complain about ANYTHING

@kieffer9705

9 ай бұрын

No she's just too old to move too much it's bad and her acting is bland the bad editing also makes the action scenes underwhelming.

@itstimefortim

9 ай бұрын

That actually makes sense I didn't consider that Interesting

“Draw them out” yeah because keeping them huddled in a hallway where their numbers would actually work against wouldn’t work…this show is so terrible.

Two Jedi and a Mandalorian cut their way through an undead horde of abandoned stormtroopers. How the fuck do you make that boring?

And then came the accolyte HAHAHA!

@spiritice2863

26 күн бұрын

the power of maaaaanyyyyyy

I liked this scene but I'm not an overly critical person so that could be why, I did find the lack of dismemberment disappointing but overall enjoyed all of it, especially once the magic kicked in

We need something that comes close to Maul vs Obi Wan and Qui Gon, or Anakin vs Obi Wan. So far nothing has come close to any of this (including in terms of music). Maybe Episode 4, but even then it wasn't enough.

This scene is overhated. They were being backed into a corner and Ahsoka Ahsoka literally says to hold their ground i.e play defensive and draw them out. Once there was an opening, Ezra took it and sliced them off one by one, Sabine provided cover fire, while Ahsoka formed the main shield blocking the blaster fire. Its more strategic than flashy.

Felt like the budget caught up with the show. In fact, I’ve felt this way about multiple shows in recent years. Top notch casting. Phenomenal sets and costuming. Writing that starts promising, but slips as the season goes on. Direction and choreography that fall flat.

I see people saying "Ahsoka is in her 40s" as a defense for why she is so slow in this scene, and that's just a poor excuse. Far more Jedi and Sith have demonstrated far greater combat prowess at older ages than Ahsoka. Qui-Gon, Dooku, Yoda, Palpatine, even Baylan, all several years (in some cases decades, or in Yoda's case centuries) Ahsoka's senior, and all performed far more competently in open combat/duels. Overall, this scene just fell flat and was, frankly, embarrassing. All Ahsoka did was stand in place with a smirk on her face and twirl her lightsabers. Something like this could be forgiven as passable were it in Rebels (and it feels like they based a lot of the combat for the series off of that show), but in live action it just looks slow paced and horrible.

That's what happenes when the directors goes all buddy-like and doesn't use stunt doubles.

Guys, Disney will NEVER do dismemberment in live action. The closest we will ever get is animation and games. It's "Too graphic" for them.

@hapablap2088

Ай бұрын

Didnt the diverse woman in obi kenobi cut the less diverse womans hand off?

It wasn't that bad. I don't think her spinning the sabers and deflecting was slow either. But then again I'm not ready to pounce on every scene and pick it apart like twitter does.

@brianjl7477

9 ай бұрын

I know, right? It looks fine. Man - I woudn't even know what I'm supposed to hate without the Internet to tell me. 🙄

@fktheproducer

9 ай бұрын

@@brianjl7477 literally no one is telling you to hate it. people are all just expressing their opinions. but then again, facts will be facts and it was still shit

@leonrussell9607

9 ай бұрын

Shill

@theelephantintheroom69

9 ай бұрын

The lightsaber movement was spot on but her stance was awkward, just standing upright twirling them around. If you rewatch the Clone Wars you'll see how much more energetic and lively Ashoka's body movements were when fighting with her lightsabers. I get that in the live action she's meant to be a little older so a little slower, but she still stood a bit awkwardly in that shot. I don't hate it with a burning passion like some want to believe, it just looked a bit goofy and out of character is all

I am glad you made a click-bait video about what some dorks on Twitter said.

My guess is Rosario didn’t put in the light saber training that she was supposed to. I mean even Christopher Lee light saber movements were faster, even though I know in many shots he had a stunt double.

And here I thought the Kenobi vs Vader scene from A New Hope was the worst fight scene I've watched...nope. Here she comes to save the daaaaaaaay! Slowest and weakest on the waaaaaaaaay!

I liked it, seemed fine to me. How about instead of looking for things to criticize; enjoy one of the best pieces of StarWars media in a while!! Be happy.

It could have been better if the characters actually wielded lightsabers and not some glowing baseball bats, because I can guarantee whatever they were using in that scene was not a lightsaber that can cut through pure steel.

@gabrielchastain6091

9 ай бұрын

Oh that depends Sabers have always been inconsistent Sometimes they can cut right through steel Sometimes they have to slowly melt through it And sometimes even in the og trilogy There are sometimes where it will just bounce off metals Lightsabers don't always gotta cut through everything like butter And some sword styles are heavier in nature You people like to bring up swinging it like a bat but I just don't see it

The training level theory doesn’t work because Sabine is apparently Rey levels strong and doesn’t need training

It looks like they were practicing the shot, and the director just recorded that

@hapablap2088

Ай бұрын

"Ok start swinging"

What don’t fans complain about bruh

Totally disagree, this scene was amazing. It showed the training that Akakin bestowed onto Ashoka that trickled down to Ezra (from him watching the hollows, he's using the same form), that trickled down to sabine. They're in a defensive stance, so they're trying not to get surrounded or overrun. They also haven't seen Ezra in years but still manage to coordinate a successful defensive attack. Ashoka shows off her wartime training by recognizing Sabines weakness, and calling out to her to switch to her strength. Both Ezra and Ashoka are slower seemingly because of 2 things, 1. it's live action and not animation, characters can only move as fast as the actors and budgets will allow. 2. because they've aged significantly since Rebels, so it's natural for them to slow down a bit, even though we see Ezra still shows off some of his agility, also keeping in mind that Ashoka has to look after 2 padawans, her priority is their safety. Lastly can y'all remember this is a DISNEY show, so we're not going to get any kind of decapitation, and if we do it's going to be managed by camera tricks like we saw. A "The Boys" style Star Wars would be absolutely amazing, but we'll never get that.

It reminds me of Wonder Woman in Justice League. She lifts her arms for the people to shoot at her bracelets. This is even slower than the animation, so it looks ridiculous. It looks like she's doing a horrible dance routine and the storm troopers have pinpoint accuracy aiming for her lightsabers.

Nah, her movements felt sluggish. And I also kept wandering why didn't the storm troppers have the foresight to lock the doors behind them and thus slowing/stopping the invaders. Also, slashing the controls of the doors should not close and lock the doors. It is like destroying the remote control of a TV instantenously turns it off.

It bugged me, so much of the stuff with the Night Troopers bugged me. It did the thing where you can visibly see the characters plot armor deflecting shots.

People find an excuse to complain about anything. The scene was cool, people need to learn to not put such high expectations on literally every tiny detail

Tbh I was too detracted by the fact we see three Jedi standing side by side for the first time since the purge. But I do understand what people mean. But fans need to relax. They tried.

this seen was definitely rushed or not handled by the same people. Ahsokas duels with Balen and literally moments later with morgan are a whole different level. even Sabine in the previous episodes had a super sick fight against the raiders. love the lightsaber blaster stance!

These complaints are becoming nitpicks now

nah I thought it was sick. bloody loved it. people need to chill out

@TyphonLeTitan

7 ай бұрын

Chill out ? lol, star wars is litteraly destroyed and find a way to implode 😂 and you think everythink is chill?

@ProtocolAbyss

5 ай бұрын

The ruined Ezra. Ezra was one of the strongest force users by the end of Rebels. He legitimately could've beaten Ahsoka in maybe a few fights (he would've lost a lot but thats down to lack of experience) he should've been wiping the floor with these guys by now.

The shot was very awkward But it lasted all of what 5 seconds? People should just get over it. This is like how someone made a 10 min video of how a clone missed 2 shots in Kenobi

Ahsoka moves so slow in the show bc she has to pose for all those dramatic hero shots

Everytime Dawson takes up a lightsaber everything on the screen goes to shit. The woman had no propper training in how to wield her weapon. I am a teacher in historical fencing and she moves like every beginner I ever had to train: stiff, unconfident, no awareness of her own body or how the object she is holding can move. She is either an absolute miscast or received literally zero training for her choreographies. It's just painfull to watch her as Ahsoka.

Yoda did say Jedi fight with defense and never attack. Cal Kestis kind of broke the rule which led to a gradual descent to the Dark Side as seen in Jedi Survivor. There are no exceptions even with fighting zombies.

@ryankwon8785

9 ай бұрын

@cosmicsatanas He is mostly defending himself and his friends. Plus, Luke was trying to escape with his friends, not kill Jabba. In addition, the intent is to save which is the same thing as defending and protecting.

@kurtpunchesthings2411

9 ай бұрын

yea like you look at Obi Wan one of the greatest defensive duelists in the Jedi Order it's how he beat Anakin on Mustafar incredible well disciplined defense and right at the end he saw his moment and took it

D+ cons: Too reliant on The Volume (creating a claustrophobic (boxed/linear feel), lifeless environment, which limits actors, choreography, action possibilities, filmmakers, directors, & writer's options) , no real sets shoot on real locations, and to add insult to injury, a (flawed 8 Episode season structure format) avg ep length 35 mins, etc. Only Andor wasn't handcuffed by D+ cause it didn't follow the typical flawed structure that every ambitious D+ series did. Andor opted for 12 Episodes, unlike other(Live action) series it opted for shooting on real locations, never relying on The Volume, & it was beneficial to the writers, actors, & directors overall. Imagine if Andor hypothetically opted for 8 short (35 mins) episodes instead of 12, whilst using the exact same script, but heavily relying on The Volume and not shooting on real locations & building actually real sets? It would of been a drastically different experience that would of been detrimental to the story, actors, directors, and writers. The issue is D+!

The ahsoka and Morgan fight clearly had stunt doubles for the parts that were fast and good looking. Then they edited clips of the actors for close ups and stuff.

The scene is great. I believe that Ahsoka in this scene was analyzing what is happening to determine what to do next. I do feel that there are things that some people are nitpicking about stuff especially in this entire scenario that Ahsoka told them to back up to lure them out before attacking them.

@_The13thDoctor_

9 ай бұрын

Exactly!!! I thought I was the only comment who thought it was fine. Thanks.

I wasn’t a huge fan of the scene, but I think people are really overreacting on Twitter about it

Why aren't the force-users moving like force-users? Why are the lightsabers not cutting things? Why are the trained force-users moving their weightless lightsabers so slow?

I felt myself becoming empty inside watching that scene. They just STAND THERE and they’re so damn slow too, like how are any of the huge group of fucking troopers missing every single shot or having any of them blocked.