Really like the ghost car for comparison bit.

Good driver.....but he is no Tiff !

@MagicAyrtonforever

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly.. Tiff was no F1 driver.

@jagenaught

4 жыл бұрын

@@MagicAyrtonforever He was back in the early 80s.

@gabrielsandoval4994

4 жыл бұрын

Better accent too.

@netweed09

4 жыл бұрын

@@MagicAyrtonforever xDD

@MagicAyrtonforever

4 жыл бұрын

@@jagenaught He couldn't handle it.. Said it himself - Monaco in particular did his head in lol

First time I don't enjoy a fifth gear video! Where's Tiff???

@JoseMaria-tj1ev

4 жыл бұрын

Wassim Khazzaka he got fired

@wassimkhazzaka6360

4 жыл бұрын

@@JoseMaria-tj1ev I saw his video on the new channel. What a shame! How a successful TV show like Fifth Gear makes a mistake like this getting rid of the best element of its success?

@JoseMaria-tj1ev

4 жыл бұрын

Wassim Khazzaka i know right!! Such a bad move...

@MagicAyrtonforever

3 жыл бұрын

Grow up this was excellent

Bring Tiff back. Fifth gear was good because of him

@akhilbabu1458

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. The show feels soulless without him

@Kraken1000

4 жыл бұрын

He's quit. Shame.

@8190930

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kraken1000 Well he didn't quit, producers have decided that "Fifth Gear would be better without him". He said it in an interview about leaving FIfth Gear a few days ago, on LOVECARS youtube channel, he works with them now!

@bisondacierr

4 жыл бұрын

tyre costs were too damn high.

@8190930

4 жыл бұрын

@@bisondacierr hahahahaha LOL

Not really a fair comparison when the Cayman is optioned with the ceramic brakes. Either ditch the ceramics on the Cayman, or bring in the M2 Competition to level the playing field.

@nielsdecarpentier6577

4 жыл бұрын

And the dct gearbox in the M2! This is a manual

@yudax5057

4 жыл бұрын

The M2 already struggles with putting down power😂at my local track only experienced drive are actually faster in M2C, the S55 is sure fun on the street but a curse on the track

@keking2178

4 жыл бұрын

Ofc its not fair, prosche brand is way up ahead of bmw dah

@keking2178

4 жыл бұрын

Brand matters to me

@e36s54

3 жыл бұрын

He’s FOS. The PCCB don’t make the car stop shorter.

People always chatting about the M cars being sports cars, and they are fantastic; however, what you see here is the difference between a regular car turned into a sporty car versus a car that was built from the ground up to be a sports car.

@Rickr1ck99

4 ай бұрын

Good point, but have you ever driven one before? I can tell you that you will enjoy it☺️ plus it’s close to 80k usd in price difference here in Japan.

I used to drive bmw cars including the M3, switched brands and changed to Porsche about 8 years ago and although BMW are very nice reliable well priced (relatively speaking) cars, they just can not beat a Porsche. The build quality on Porsche is better and the handling/precision is on another planet compared to BMW. In the end, BMW builds day to day 2 and 4 door saloon cars that they tune to become a sporty car, the Porsche is build as a sportscar right from the get go. They are a different type of car. If you like a sporty 2 or 4 door car that also has space for a few kids, luggage etc, buy the Beemer, if you want a sports car, buy the Porsche.

I would rather save a bit longer and get the Porsche. BMW and Porsche are just different 👍

@henzo7087

4 жыл бұрын

BMW M2 CP will beat it or CS version

@mvo1293

4 жыл бұрын

Agree, Porsche is just way more elegant

@leok7193

4 жыл бұрын

BMW offers more off the track, especially for the money, though. I'd take the extra power of M2 and cheaply tune it to 500hp for a proper fun road car and still have money for many track days. Porsche 718 is highly subject to the law of diminishing returns.

Wow! That's a big difference in time over a lap, I would have thought a 6 cyl M2 would be much more competitive over a 4 cyl Cayman, just imagine what a 4.0 GTS Cayman would have done to this BMW.

@ryanb8736

2 жыл бұрын

Caymens are a true mid engine sports car. Cars are balanced so well. Porsche is all about precision.

@Slaktrax

Жыл бұрын

Not exactly a fair comparison with ceramic brakes on the Cayman and BMW's M2 Competition which is a more track focused car. A bit of a flawed comparison judging by the comments. A pity Porsche dropped the flat six, no flat 4 will ever sound as good and is reminiscent of the very first Porsche cars which were adapted from the VW Beetle. No thanks.

@nick_kilgore

Жыл бұрын

I agree about the engines, it’s a shame but the tuning potential of the 4cylinder definitely outweighs the 6cyl’s. That being said the carbon ceramics really don’t matter that much here, they’re more or less just better at resisting heat over long periods. That being said I doubt the steel brakes car would do any worse on one hot lap, it’s actually possible it would do better because the carbon ceramics don’t work as well until they’re hot.

@swansmeister

11 ай бұрын

@@Slaktrax Sound is subjective, indeed most will say the flat six sounds better but some will say the 4 banger sounds better due to it subaru'esk sound. That being said the gts 2.5 is better in every other aspect, a tad lighter, way more torque down low, also the faster car because it's faster than on paper and the tuning potential is way bigger than the flat six, a remap and you'll be already having 400 to 410hp, add an exhaust and you'll be passing the gt4 and than we're not even talking about the torque. I am looking out for a gts even tho I have gt4 money, it's just a better track tool imo, put some trick suspension on their like a v4 clubsport and better brake pads and dot 4 brakefluid and you'll murk any gt4 on track. Also the m3 is too heavy no matter which brakes the cayman has it will always be faster than a heavier front engined car.

@Slaktrax

11 ай бұрын

@@swansmeister The comparison is with an M2. Flat opposed engines always lack torque compared to inline engines. Sound is subjective I agree but this is a comments section about individual opinion. Dot 4 has a lower dry boiling point than Dot 5.1 with Super Dot 4 having the highest B.P.

If only I knew which had the better boot? I miss Tiff.

We want Tiff!

Fantastic noise of the 718!

Fith Gear CANCLED!

Awesome review

Tiff is a better driver and more entertaining IMHO

@netweed09

4 жыл бұрын

Well; no one stays forever

@1HappyBob

3 жыл бұрын

This guy was very good.

Great review!

If you’re on a budget, the M2 is a good choice, especially as they depreciate like nothing else. The Cayman will hold most of its value long term👍🏼

@matthewprall9135

2 жыл бұрын

Paid $52k for my used 2018 M2 in 2019. It’s current book value is $55k in 2022 with 22k miles on it. Your comment is invalid.

@ronin120

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewprall9135 lets be honest about the times we are currently living in. Once things get back to normal in the auto industry, your comment will be invalid.

@matthewprall9135

Жыл бұрын

@@ronin120 I doubt it. The 1M and M2 are very fun, small cars in a BMW lineup that is getting bigger, heavier and electrified. Purists know what cars they want and this will keep the M2 valuable beyond whatever correction may occur in the auto industry IF things get closer to normal.

@NinjaWarriorDude416

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewprall9135 yeah they dropped substantially since 9 months... just like what BMWs do.

@DeanoTXR53

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewprall9135 I own a 2018 M2 as well. It looks the part, but it falls short in every subjective way when it comes to being a "pure driver's car." Steering relays zero info about available grip, same with the brakes, which have quite inconsistent pedal release when used very hard. The engine has lag and very little reason in terms of thrust or exciting sound to reward you for exploring above 6k rpm. It's a tremendously easy car to slide around at 11/10ths. But it lacks the tools and precision needed for you to know you're right at at 10/10ths consistently. And it doesn't feel special on the street at 2-3/10ths like every great drivers car I've owned before it has. I was expecting a lot more from this car tbh, after all I did spend my hard earned money on it

Drove 718 GTS at porsche experience center. Instructor and I drove our cars so fast tires were completely sticky with rocks holding onto tire. Car is stable and confidence inspiring. No mid-engine oversteer issues.

Not fair comparing ceramics vs steal brakes...

Hmmmmmmmmmm, miss Tiff already, loved the chemistry between Tiff and Plato, 🙁

Good video. The intangibles on Porsche vs BMW matters more than the times. The BMW, while a great car is not going to beat an actual sports car with similar specs. M2 is not a sports car, end of. I bought one, but not for that purpose. For what it is, the M2 is a tremendous car.

@arasgoshayeshi9156

Жыл бұрын

It actually is and its a true one. A sports car isnt meant to do lap times faster than supercars. It is meant to give you as much fun possible and the bmw clearly does

Owning a boxster s, the turbo motors sound fine. The rumble and grumble has a nice growl to it.

@jazzragu

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s ok, particularly once it revs it up. I do miss miss my M2 though- it always sounded amazing. And those 3 years of owning an M2 were more exciting- it’s a little muscle car.

great vid

Who is this guy ???

@heamees4822

4 жыл бұрын

Ex-Formula 1 driver

4 жыл бұрын

He had a very unsuccessful short career in F1...not good.

The M2 is already a performance bargain. Imagine how cheap will they be in 3-4 years.

@greeked

4 жыл бұрын

the bastards are holding their value way too good i need one haha

@greeked

4 жыл бұрын

@Darren Boston absolute power corrupts absolutely. A car is not about how much horsepower it has its about how it makes you feel how it dances around corners. so'' isnt that good'' to who? you? To me i much prefer it to a m4 its much smaller an m4 feels like a GT car when you drive them back to back.

@stefanfreestylez

4 жыл бұрын

@Darren Boston tbh ya the comp is aloooott better and its not just because its a fuck ton faster in the straights. Its the whole feel of the car. Big biggg difference between n55 and s55. And to anyone that says you dont need that power on tight mountain pass....ya you do lol. Took a gt3 on a road called la honda near my friends house in california and even that was lacking a bit of power on that road. You def can push both the m2 on those types of roads and will discover that ya m2 comp is worth the extra no doubt. Both are very twitchy on track btw just like m4. So its not like theyre super balanced cars anyways. M2 comp is def the way to go if youre buying an m2. ^not knocking the 991 gt3 btw because im 100% convinced to buy one in march. ;) amazing car but ya just an example of you could always have a bittt more power on tap.

@milchomarkov8158

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, about that...have you seen used 987 prices

@fer1306

4 жыл бұрын

True, s55 is superior to n55. But parts are cheaper for n55, and engine is more reliable. Also s55 engine is more fragile than n55. I would not use a 150 000km s55, but with n55 engine it is no problem. You can make a more affordable track car from 1st gen m2 too. It is up to what you are looking for.

When the Porsche optional brakes cost more than your car

The m2 competition should have been used in this comparison

@holmer9413

4 жыл бұрын

You're right of course. Even this version though could be faster than the Porshe for less money. Just install some better brakes and get a stage 2 or 3 upgrade and you'ld be cleaning the Porsches clock around the track and still be saving money plus having the extra room for passengers. And since the Porsche in the test has the 5k cabon ceramic brake package installed I'd still call that a more fair comparison than what was shown here.

@MagicAyrtonforever

4 жыл бұрын

@@holmer9413 Plus you lose your warranty, no one will insure you and residuals will take a hit not to mention depreciation. A Porsche is better than a BMW. Fact.. Even if it does sound like shit.

@robertrogers7833

3 жыл бұрын

The M2 would have still lost..even with the better brakes.

I was looking at a nearly new Fiesta ST 1.5 as my new family car, always wanted a hot hatch and no need to lug a pram around any more but I can get a low miler 17 plate M2 for the same price. No brainer?

@OhBLZD

4 жыл бұрын

go for it

@creatineenjoyer7345

3 жыл бұрын

I would go for M2 to be honest. Keep in mind that everything from services to insurance to fuel usage will be almsot double in the bmw but in my opinion it is worh it

i will show mum as she owns a white m2 competition and ive driven its insane, also can i fly Tiff out to drive it for me please ?

I think Katun is the most accessible F1 driver that FG has at its disposal.....

@buldhana

4 жыл бұрын

Cheap innit

Executives kicking the legend Tiff Needell himself off the show. We will do everything we can to end this just you wait

@astronmr20

4 жыл бұрын

My guess is he was getting quite costly.

What's up with the 0-62 times for the 718? It's off by more than half a second!

One can write with chalk but one can eat cheese - what's your point?

Sorry, Caymans brake just fine without the expensive ceramic breaks ... i don't believe for a second that it improved the laptime. Though for non track use, that M2 is a crazy good bargain!

I love the conclusion

The ceramic brakes make a big difference in lap times. This video just proves without ceramic brakes the M2 can’t compete with the Porsche. A fairer test would be if both cars have ceramic brakes. I am sure the results would be very close. 😁

@StefBelgium

2 жыл бұрын

I ve seen similar comparison with regular brake specs and still the same result. Porsche is a sport car, the M2 is not. As simple as that. Both do not have the same purpose anyway, so from begining this comparison makes no sense.

This guy is so boring I fell asleep.

So curious about the performance of Cayman T.

Yeah, it's NOT a baby 911. The Cayman can hold it's own thank you.

Hopefully the upcoming 6 Cyl Cayman GTS 4.0 (NA) will drive the price of the 4 cyl (Turbo) down

porsche is amazing, but still respect to bmw M2, which is so good handling

Try m2 competition specced up with m performance parts to same price as Cayman

@live2hustle495

4 жыл бұрын

Try caymen gt4

Why not compare apples to apples? Should've used m2 competition

@reggrunow1460

2 жыл бұрын

Plenty of those comparisons out there. Same result.

What is this guys name?

Porsche! Venceu todas as corridas existentes no planeta. 🇧🇷

We love tiff🙂. Please

2 = "Quicker" (ie the comparative); 3 (or more) = Quickest (ie the superlative).... Come on, Jase

It's 2019 and people still think 0-60 is a legitimate measure of overall performance with variables like pdk, awd and glue tires

@dionjeremy1711

4 жыл бұрын

People are not genuinely interested in the driving experience overall. Now they think if their car win the stop light grand prix their car fast lol

@awinis

4 жыл бұрын

Anything over 350bhp should be measured on 0-120 mph/0-200 kmph. Or at least 0-100/0-160. Even 2.5 ton performance SUVs can do a sub 6 seconds 0-60mph

The new GTS has gone back to 6 cylinders NA and manual gearbox.... what a result, well done Porsche.... the linear torque will make it even more drivable.... while listening to that better sound....

Tiff?

The M2 needs a better and fitter driver...

This track is so beautiful I’d never watch the road.

Thank you come again

does they know that u can't buy standard m2 only competition

the m2 may not be the best track car but it's super fun !

Should be retitled ‘cheap family saloon vs sports car’ 🤣

I thought only the M2 competition was for sale these days, porsche is far more a track weapon

@nessuno5403

4 жыл бұрын

This video was originally broadcast in October 2018, which means it was filmed before the M2 Competition launch. The Porsche isn't much of a "track weapon" unless you talk about the GT4.

Should compare the Comp with carbon brakes.

The Cayman is a brilliant car no doubt, however I can't help but think it would've been a more even fight had the Porsche not been fitted with the optional carbon ceramic brakes. Seems rather unfair to compare lap times when there's such a major difference in braking performance.

@Elusive12

2 жыл бұрын

I thought ceramic brakes don’t make you stop quicker but rather just resist fade better, which wouldn’t make a big different on 5/10 laps which this driver probably did for this video.

@DeanoTXR53

Жыл бұрын

having driven both numerous times on track, its not the size of the brakes, it's the weight balance. The Cayman benefits from heavy braking putting extra weight on the nose by having extra grip and which allows it to turn in better, ultimately allowing you to start braking later and trail brake much deeper and more efficiently. My M2's front end is already so heavy that you need to brake in the exact opposite way you would a Cayman. Always being wary to not overload the front end while trail braking or else you'll wash quite wide and ruin your exit, which is the only thing the car really does well aside from transition. It's not a particularly fun car on corner entry in stock form, unfortunately

Bring back Tiff!!! NOW!!!

Porsche has been around for 89 years, and yet people still can’t pronounce it properly. 🤦‍♂️

Tiff

F1 driver? I don t even know him lol

Yes bmw is the besstt

@cyclepath55555

4 жыл бұрын

Said no one, ever!

New guy is too meh.

4 cylinder but still a boxer

Bring back tiff! How dare discovery bosses sack him like a coward by email 😡 he's a fucking legend that invented the bloody show.

Bring Tiff back

Compare caterham 620 R to them 😍

It’s Por-sha!

Better than Tiff but should have used M2 Comp

Why not the M2 Competition???

About to sell my low mileage full spec manual Cayman S. I'll miss it. :( need an SUV. Kids......

@peter-radiantpipes2800

4 жыл бұрын

I want happy with my Cayman sound v either until a full Borla system. Now it's wonderful.

@DrMcMoist

4 жыл бұрын

@@peter-radiantpipes2800 He isn't selling it cause is unhappy with it. He is saying that it isn't practical when you have children.

@peter-radiantpipes2800

4 жыл бұрын

DrMcMoist yeah same here

And against a Honda civic type R or Toyota Corrolla GR , HALF PRICE AND GAIN RELIABILITY

Bring back tiff. Miles better

I’m not arguing the result but I’ve always thought these tests aren’t accurate. Drive each car for a week (at least) and compare the times. You can’t get the best out of a car without getting to know it no matter how good a driver u are imo,

Always annoys me that they compare the m2 with the manual against this fast changing autos.

@BlitzkriegRap

4 жыл бұрын

Porsche was manual too. If anything is unfair it's that the standard M2 is going against the GTS.

The original M2 had overboost but it only engaged for roughly 10 or 11 seconds and it was hard to predict when the boost kicked in. I was able to get the overboost reliably by leaving the mDCT in Normal mode and waiting 30 seconds or so for the next window of opportunity. If I had the M2 in Sport mode, the overboost never kicked in and that was a little frustrating. I hear the latest tunes solve that issue. I have a feeling this might explain some of the performance shortfalls.

BMW 🤙

Unfair comparison 👎 M2 = Cayman S M2 Comp = Cayman GTS

i think he's giving a bit too much credit to the ceramic brakes eh... i'm pretty sure on just a lap or 2 the regular brakes are just as effective...

The point is m2 is a better sports car. Sports car have never been about crazy lap times they have been about experience and fun. And the m2 is a lot more fun than the cayman

I’m fan of m2 but cayman s or gts lot faster than m something about those Porsche’s everyone is like 0.5 faster than factory clams

@RayDCO

4 жыл бұрын

True, with launch control my 2018 Cayman S PDK has been clocked at 3.7 seconds 0-60

This guy must drive a rickshaw he can’t drive sports cars

Can't compare a PDK and carbon ceramic brake car against a manual with just steel brakes, Fifth Gear! Would've left out the CCB's and both cars either double clutch or manual and the difference would've been a lot less to none!!

Cayman it’s better with pdk

Nothing will be as good as a Cayman until someones clever enuff to build something from the ground up and stop trying to transform sedans into high performance sports cars. Reckon bmw could do that if someone there found the balls. One things for sure, it would end up a lot more expensive than this cayman. Shows you how much value you get with Porsche that way.

I like the driver

Where the hell is Tiff ?

That guy can’t drive a proper bmw m2. Can’t even drift. Before making a video. PRACTICE

A fair comparison would be to have the same brakes! Which would also narrow the massive price gap.

Why not GT4?

Did he just say that the Porsche has a flat 6 😒

M2 is just a rear drive sedan, not fair compare.

Brakes do a lot, very uneven comparison

People missing ''tIFf'', while I'm sat here crying about how stupid Porsche are dropping 2 cylinders from their famous GTS. Ah well, at least that means the iconic older model finds the bargain box faster!

@Eurosport.Automotive

2 жыл бұрын

The 6 is back in both the GTS and the GT4. 400hp of naturally aspirated greatness.

@netweed09

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eurosport.Automotive ​ Ah you see,, I was right. 😉 I love Porsche but why would you rob a Legend of its balls, it's mojo? They sort of spoiled this video wit their delay too: imagine that screaming and edgy V6 in the full-fat GTS. Instead, We have a thug's F0rd Focus noises.

comparing two road cars on the track - why ?

No tiff no good.

When Porsche develops a new turbo 6 for the base Cayman/Boxster it'll be optimal. Flat 4 hasn't the fizz.

the bmw actually has usable back seats and a decent boot. its a car you can really daily and own only 1 car. the porsche can't. BMW wins by a mile imo. try the base 300hp cayman, and see where the lap times go...

@ChefMvnDown

4 жыл бұрын

I daily my cayman easily. - Nobody turns heads at an M2 - There's also more boot space in a cayman than theres is in an M2 lol!!!

@ChrisMag100

4 жыл бұрын

I also daily a 981 Cayman S. Cargo wise, I can fit two carry on suitcases in the front or do any grocery shopping no problem. I did a 2000 road trip in mine with my girlfriend and never felt inconvenienced. My prior car was a 2016 S3, which I traded for my 2015 Cayman S in early 2017. No regrets. I rarely miss the added seats or trunk space. Seats are better in the Porsche, gas mileage on the highway is the same or slightly better in the Cayman, insurance is about the same. Driving wise, the Cayman is in a whole different league except on bumpy roads - the magnetic ride on the S3 was brilliant. The Audi had more bells and whistles... adaptive cruise and the lot, but again, I don’t miss that stuff when I’m driving the Porsche. PDK is also way better than the S-Tronic DCT in the Audi. It’s not even close. Where you would run into a problem would be hauling large items. For that, you might want a different car.

@aymansgarage

10 ай бұрын

false, I have a Longbeach blue M2, turns heads everywhere lol, a red, Miami blue, or yellow Cayman would also turn heads though I'd imagine@@ChefMvnDown