Using poor man's nitric acid to liberate foils from trimmed fingers.
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@reluctantlemming2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, sir - I love this method! I mean, the idea of reclaiming and refining precious metals with laboratory equipment and chemicals is cool. But doing it with stuff from the local hardware store, garden supply store and thrift stores is badass. This is even cooler than acid-peroxide. You're a steely-eyed man of science for sharing this with us
@BillAnt
9 ай бұрын
What the heck is "gold finger" he's talking about? Are they gold plated metal pieces?
@reluctantlemming
9 ай бұрын
@@BillAnt yes, they're the gold plated pins like the ones old hard drives had for the cable to connect to, or the tabs on video cards that slide into a socket on the motherboard
@awakened67555 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I am new to this and I am a extremely poor man and just trying to better my family situation so again thank you for sharing.
@davidlee17196 жыл бұрын
Love it Geo, thank you for sharing your techniques. More appreciated than I think you know!
@dabxnoiseviv88664 жыл бұрын
Your video added Great knowledge to my study,thankyou!
@GitMunny13 жыл бұрын
Geo incredible processes. Glad to finally put a process to the gold refining forums!
@jonross3773 жыл бұрын
All you have to do is stick a chunk of IRON in the copper solution to make it crash out as copper metal.
@genewickersham4593
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Ive used a stainless steel spoon to recover copper from acid solution, but after a while the spoon dissolves. I guess iron is a cheaper alternative.
@Unmannedair2 жыл бұрын
Poor Man's nitric acid, known otherwise in chemistry as a double salt substitution.
@interstellarsurferАй бұрын
Oh, the good old days, back when you could get nitrate of soda.
@ewastesolutionssonny18896 жыл бұрын
Excuse me but yes you are responsible for the explanation of and knowledgeable information give .....that is one of the best I've seen..thanks buddy
@brucewhite96574 жыл бұрын
Great vid man. And dang how much simpler can it get?? Lol. I am just starting to get in to Gold recovery and researching all I can before hand. Thanx for the entertainment 🤘👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@dabxnoiseviv8866
4 жыл бұрын
Smart man💯
@Ben-gv7qf6 жыл бұрын
Geo, Your the best buddy. Love the video. Thank you
@kallah49992 жыл бұрын
If you only have calcium nitrate, you can add sodium sulfate or some other sulfate, then heat it while leading the vapors over in a beaker with water forming nitric acid without the crystallization of calcium sulfate, saving your glassware.
@shaneyork3004 жыл бұрын
Good info! Thank you!
@GeoffBosco4 жыл бұрын
Ah! Just the video I was looking for. Was wondering if distillation in order to concentrate nitric acid was completely necessary when adding a nitrate salt to sulfuric acid for gold recovery.
@Jah-nee
Жыл бұрын
Distillation of vapers = pure nitric acid... Due believe....
@hunting-with-handy35045 жыл бұрын
Thank you my good sir! You have inspired me to repeated success!
@marcoramirez5024 жыл бұрын
One more quick question GOO did a pretty good batch of chips and crumble I’m still showing gold in solution but it looks like Sam has dropped should I just keep add an SMB until it all drops out I really appreciate your help
@moosescrapper59285 жыл бұрын
Hi there, probably a dumb question, but how much gold fingers did you start with by weight? I think I have the rest of the process down for using the poor mans nitric. Also, as you mentioned the list of other metals this can be used for, for silver recovery and refining this process is ok except distilled water needs to be used, but then the rest of the process is that same right? adding distilled water, and a chunk o copper to cement out the silver? Lastly, cpu pins, kovar, I am guessing this works on that as well? Thanks my friend!
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
On this particular batch, close to 8 pounds. It will dissolve silver but works better on impure silver such as sterling. Not sure why anyone would want to dissolve pure silver any way. :-D Use distilled water and the process works exactly the same way. Copper is what I use to cement my silver with. Make sure to denoxx well before cementing. Yes, it works very well when working with processors.
@moosescrapper5928
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE Sorry, I should have been more precise, yes, i was referring to silver from contact points, broken sterling jewelry etc. Can this be used to make AR for gold recovery from ceramic cpus, IC's, and eproms?
@mymuseofme5 жыл бұрын
Geo, i wanted to clarify that this method would remove the base metals from gold plated pins and or circuit boards? and using sodium bicarbonate as the acid neutralizer?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It will dissolve base metal but neutralizing is not necessary until treated as waste.
@jamisontaylor8782 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@dannosdive85526 жыл бұрын
Very nice demonstration. Do you or can you denox with urea? Thank you
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. It works exactly like nitric acid.
@dannosdive8552
6 жыл бұрын
Geo thank you
@transistor7545 жыл бұрын
thanks fella!
@thewatchers96204 жыл бұрын
What % proof is the mixture as I believe it needs to be 70% so silver can be processed properly? I'm in the UK so it's nearly impossible to get hold of nitric so if this works for refining scrap sterling silver then that would be great? But it does depend on the %
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
It does work with silver. 100 grams of sodium nitrate and 30 ml's of 98% sulfuric acid and 1000 ml's of distilled water should dissolve 200 grams of sterling.
@matthewhatch9141
Жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE and then do you drop the silver back out using hydrochloric acid?
@Metal4Detecting6 жыл бұрын
Great video very informative. You can complete the same process . by Combining salt , vinegar , peroxide . With a bubbler hose. Best wishes .
@jivanpetre7252
5 жыл бұрын
Salt vinegar peroxide remove.disolve gold????????
@Serainia123
5 жыл бұрын
3 parts Muriatic acid (HCl/hydrochloric 31.45%) 1 part regular 3% hydrogen peroxide. No bubbler, a couple days, does not dissolve gold. This one doesn't help you much with the pins, but does the fingers, cell phones, etc if you don't happen to have a bubbler laying around. GREAT VIDEO!!! I learned a great deal thank you, kind sir!!! Keep it up
@asakayosapro Жыл бұрын
Hmm... I had no idea Sneed’s Feed and Seed (formerly Chuck’s) sold such useful products... good to know!
@leeroy1442 жыл бұрын
I think that drain opener is only 53-70% concentrated from what I've read online. I have some I'm getting ready to distill and looked it up. Still strong enough for most uses.
@ryanallen1014
Жыл бұрын
Depends on what drain opener. Around here we have 97-98% virgin concentrated sulfuric acid for $9.99 a quart. Even if you dont have that concentration and or additives in your acid you can clean it by heating you h2so4 and adding drop wise cold concentrated hydrogen peroxide. Continue heating to steaming off water until you reach the maximum concentration of 98%.
@ManMountainMetals5 жыл бұрын
Hey, don't quit now! I come back to your channel over and over. I would love to see you process the copper out of circuit boards.
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It's actually in the works.
@ManMountainMetals
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE That is awesome! Thanks so much!
@E-BikingAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you go through that much trouble for such a small amount of copper? It's less than $3.00 a pound.
@bobsunkees3392
2 жыл бұрын
@@E-BikingAdventures eviroment in pack then you can pull out the silver lead and neutralize the solution and dispose it's an easy process.
@nobodyyouknow36693 жыл бұрын
Do you think this might work on crushed gold ore that has a lot of pyrite and lots of other metals?
@ATF.California
Жыл бұрын
No
@Chewy_GarageBandDad26 күн бұрын
Will dye in sulfuric acid complicate your ability to make iron sulfate? Because I have failed at every attempt and doing so. But I've always used a sulfuric acid with a dye in it. NOT really the subject of this video, just side tracked I suppose.
@dustinhults56794 жыл бұрын
I love the video about how to break down the metal and get the gold separated. But then how do you produce Accra Fria to liquefy the gold to make it more pure without nitric acid if you can
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
After the base metal is leached from the gold, a solution of aqua regia is made using HCl (muriatic acid) and sodium nitrate from this video. Use 1g of sodium nitrate for 1 ml of nitric acid.
@dustinhults5679
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your reply
@E-BikingAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining how to make Acura Ferrari.
@davidsohoza96794 жыл бұрын
Geo I like your video very interesting quick question for you will this work on fully plated pins and partially plated pins thank u for your time.
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Keep in mind that heat is required to drive the reaction to completion.
@tomstirniman33705 жыл бұрын
GEO - A fun (and informative) video to watch. QUESTION: I would love to do this with some of my concentrated filter cake I collected from leaching actual ore. I've got some 250 mesh cake that is 2%+ Au. Do you think I could I run the material in this solution to remove the copper, lead and silver in the first go around. Then run the leftover material in another batch of the poor-man's nitric mix but add some HCl (to make poor-man's A/R) to put the Au into solution before dropping it with SMB. I really want to do this after watching you.....THANK YOU
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It should work okay.
@buensomeritano1755
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE I am opening a PGM mine this year and am looking for refinement methods that are inexpensive and safer than amalgam. I want to be able to remove the ferrous with magnets from our concentrates and put them right into solution and drop out each valuable metal and recover the acids and precipitates for future use and reduce environmental impact and lower overheads. The mine was an amalgam operation in the 1800s, so there is mercury present. There is also lanthanides and thorium. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I was very excited to see this video. Thank you kindly, sir!
@suharyanto8314 жыл бұрын
Sir, in your opinion, could you explain, at least how much comparison in volum to be poured for making the solution when I will use HCl : HNO3 such that it can proper in the work (remain to able to dissolving copper) and safe for environmental? Thanks in advance
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Solid sodium nitrate can be calculated at 1.1 gram of solid nitrate equals 1 ml of liquid nitric acid.
@suharyanto831
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE 1 mL nitrit acid for how much HCl ?
@adamfam7803 Жыл бұрын
Hey geo great video im just askin how concentrated is the nitric acid
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Concentration varies on available sulfuric acid.
@ScrappingIrish6 жыл бұрын
very good video geo
@shshgaming1895 жыл бұрын
Great video. What happens to the silver if there is any? Does it dissolve in the solution or come out with the gold?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
There's no silver in fingers. Although if there had been silver, it would dissolve. The gold does not dissolve in poor mans nitric acid.
@shshgaming189
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the reason I ask is coz there is Silver in some CPUs so wanted to know how I can get to that too after I've removed the gold. Absolutely love your video. Thanks so much for sharing. I'm thinking ahead to the next step to see how I can get the silver from the waste.
@shshgaming189
5 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing same ingredients again but adding a copper base to cement the silver
@Jah-nee
Жыл бұрын
@@shshgaming189 true..
@timseaton23704 жыл бұрын
Just curious: can nitrate of soda be used to work with silver recovery?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Use distilled water and either potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate.
@marcoramirez5024 жыл бұрын
One more quick question my solution is bluish green with a whitish gray film once I start decanting
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Usually the white material is tin that is dissolved by the nitric acid that is formed. It is called metastannic acid. Once the foils are gathered, dissolve the foils in what ever acids you like and the white should be left unchanged. Filter the solution well and make sure it's clear before dropping the gold.
@vespremeanu49293 жыл бұрын
pretty good
@thewatchers96205 жыл бұрын
Hi, would this not need to be distilled first for refining scrap silver? Regards
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
No. There is a gentleman on my facebook group Ewaste And Precious Metal Refining that I have helped him with the process of working with silver. Substitute tap water for distilled water for silver.
@thewatchers9620
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE geo thanks for the reply, the reason I asked is that there's loads of people that use distillation first to make a concentrate Nitric. So this process that you have shown will refine things like scrap silver bars? Worn scrap coins, flatwear etc? Regards
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
@@thewatchers9620 Yes. It will dissolve silver and then you can cement onto copper just like nitric acid does.
@cewinkle3 жыл бұрын
Can this be used to dissolve gold?
@isaacgarza90994 жыл бұрын
Can you make poor man's aqua regia also by substituting muratic acid for the sulfuric acid?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@kevinkampf57103 жыл бұрын
Large disaster when phone and laptop went out, back on line, re subed
@davidlee17196 жыл бұрын
Hey Geo, just curious how much base material by weight you had in the beaker, if you know.
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Approximately 1 kg of trimmed fingers.
@cditzler63134 жыл бұрын
boy I like this way much better than distilling a nitric acid 1st
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
I think it is.
@cditzler6313
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE will this make aqua regia when mixed with hcl
@cditzler6313
4 жыл бұрын
I used pot nitrate sulfuric acid and water if mixed heated by themselves btw I mixed this method up and haven't used heat yet my pyrex overflow pan shattered on burner haha getting a replacement soon stainless steel big dog dish soon as I can get past the neighbors dog just kidding
@archeonist6 жыл бұрын
Geo, Do you know what is wrong with the goldrefiningforum? It seems to be offline for many days now...
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
It is a problem with Noxx not paying the server fees.
@archeonist
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick answer. Do you know how we can help him? Or is there a way to get in to contact with him?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
He was mountain climbing in Peru. He may be able to straighten it out when he gets back. No one but Noxx can do anything about it.
@isaacgarza33074 жыл бұрын
Will this process work for gold fill junk jewelry ? Thanks..
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@bobbylong4443 Жыл бұрын
Awesome brother
@marissalacap87065 жыл бұрын
sir is soduim hydroxide lye and drain opener are the Same?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Sodium hydroxide is lye. Drain opener can be either sodium hydroxide or sulfuric acid. It should say on the label which chemical it is. Sulfuric acid drain opener will normally be in a sealed plastic bag.
@karlbe84142 жыл бұрын
Great description Geo. I assume that you can add HCl to make AR for the next step. Not sure how much HCl would be ideal to dissolve the Au. Thanks!
@GeoONE
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly.
@isaacgarza33074 жыл бұрын
Geo I can t find soda of nitrite...at my local hardware or feed n seeds....can I use...hi-yield brand (blood meal) 12% water insoluble organic nitrogen?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
See if they can get Hi-Yield Nitrate of Soda. Duda-Energy is sold out at the moment.
@rogergrimes4500
Жыл бұрын
Did you ever try the bone meal? I'm trying it now. We will see what happens.
@toomaskotkas44675 жыл бұрын
This video needs to be watched at 1.5 speed. Otherwise you will get a brain damage.
@drmarine1771
5 жыл бұрын
lol
@dragonfighter217
5 жыл бұрын
lmao it works
@transistor754
5 жыл бұрын
ya'all come back now?
@bushiseishin
4 жыл бұрын
it does! much better! LMAO!!
@jerrykingsley6703
4 жыл бұрын
WONDERFUL TIP.
@ryanallen1014 Жыл бұрын
I did just this and ended up with Cooper (11) sulfate crystals cemented in the bottom of my jar. What can I do about that now?
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Well thankfully, copper sulfate is water soluble so the crystals will dissolve in water.
@E-BikingAdventures4 жыл бұрын
Will this work to refine silver and then dropping it with copper?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. If done properly, it works just like nitric acid.
@katana1960
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE So when you say "done properly," you mean use distilled water instead of tap water, correct? Is there anything else to do when using with silver? Thanks
@burnroe66115 жыл бұрын
Nice I thought i was the only doing it this way actually I add peroxide to it when doing doing silver. Which was found by accident while making piranha solution for a batch pins my bag of nitrates had a hole in bottom and while I stood up a decent amount fell right in my piranha I thought it was trashed but I let it go on low heat and in 2 hours nothing but gold foils and some cool looking copper sulfate crystals. 2 times faster with the peroxide. And no gold in solution 🤑
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It does work with silver.
@shshgaming189
5 жыл бұрын
So if you're recovering silver too you add peroxide? I didn't get that part.
@burnroe6611
5 жыл бұрын
Peroxide is an oxidizer i use it just to speed up the process wether it is gold or silver or any mettal it makes it faster .however peroxide and hydrochloric acid when heated will dissolve your gold.
@vivimannequin5 жыл бұрын
So what do you do with the byproduct chemicals?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
The acids and base metal can be reclaimed. I'm not worried about the chemicals at the moment but I reclaim the copper by cementing the copper out of solution on steel.
@malcolmcliff-du8qp3 жыл бұрын
So basically very dilute sulfuric acid ?🤔
@GeoONE
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@johndavis33126 жыл бұрын
When I use this process I get a white - grey silver chloride looking powder that is a real pain "not silver either". Any idea?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
If you are dissolving pins, most pins are brass or phosphor bronze and contain tin in the base metal. Dissolving tin this way will make metastannic acid. It's a gooey, sloppy mess that clogs filters and traps foils. I know how to deal with it but that will be in another video.
@johndavis3312
6 жыл бұрын
Geo that's what I was thinking. Sure would like to know how to get rid of it. I mostly do pins with rev- electro. But tried it with this method worked great other than the powder.
@stevennolan2675
5 жыл бұрын
Remove solder from pins with a boil in hydrochloric acid first to get rid of tin
@PaulAllee Жыл бұрын
Okay I see what you did there... Hmm. Thank you
@user-hn7qg6cd7b5 жыл бұрын
god vare vare god tankyo
@meettheworld62415 жыл бұрын
Geo , what will this mix do to I.C. chips?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It will dissolve base metal and silver leaving the gold metal intact. I've used it for this purpose many times.
@raymondreyes8046
Жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE so if you were to do ic chips would u still need to try and get the metal out before using it? Or just leave everything and it'll dissolve it?
@markharder36762 ай бұрын
As it's a salt of a strong acid, ammonium nitrate is mildly acidic to begin with, unlike sodium nitrate. I wonder if it might work faster than the sodium salt?
@GeoONE
2 ай бұрын
Adding organics to refining is not a good idea unless you know what you are doing. There is the possibility of creating an unstable compound.
@sebastianodiveronica3625 ай бұрын
Hi nice video, can I use calcium nitrate instead of sodium nitrate? Thanks
@GeoONE
5 ай бұрын
No. The calcium will rob the solution of sulfuric acid by producing calcium sulfate. Calcium sulfate is a off white, pearlescent solid that will clog filters.
@1insane614
3 ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video? 😂
@marcoramirez5024 жыл бұрын
Hi Geo I appreciate your videos my name is Marco Ramirez I am new to gold recovery but I am a trying this process with coffee Parts as my heat source how long does it have to soak and break down it’s been about three hours on my end and it’s bubbling and I see a little bit of gold but not a lot is it because the heat isn’t hot enough thank you
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
You answered your own question. It needs to be hot enough for the nitrate to decompose to nitrogen dioxide (red fumes). Somewhere around 230°F is minimum. I normally crank my cheap burners wide open. They run around 350°F and it works really well.
@marcoramirez502
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jill this is Marco Ramirez I have a quick question phoria I don’t know how you feel about maybe giving me a call 907-299-7766 I’m in Homer Alaska I wanna run something by you thank you
@shshgaming1895 жыл бұрын
Hi Geo so after doing this process and filtering to have just the gold coils how would we dissolve the gold. I thought Nitric acid dissolves gold. Isn't this poormans nitric acid?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Gold foils can be dissolved a couple of ways. Hydrochloric acid and chlorine bleach will dissolve gold foils and powders. Hydrochloric acid and nitric acid will dissolve gold of any type. Nitric acid alone will not dissolve gold. It must be in combination with hydrochloric acid. Aqua regia is a mixture of 3 parts hydrochloric acid and 1 part nitric acid.
@d.l.hutson99532 ай бұрын
Chemistry is not your strong point because you put the dry stuff in first and ad liquids next and if you don't put so much water in. It will generate your own heat.
@RafalScrapper6 жыл бұрын
very well explained and well showed thanks for sharing cool thank you
@zee7705
6 жыл бұрын
Hey geo I like what u do I've got something for you. Can sulfuric at the auto parts store cheap it's what they use in batterys thanks I've enjoyed ur video's hope u get this
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. 10% battery electrolyte will work.
@BloodlinesNewTimes9 ай бұрын
You got my sub sir
@raymondreyes8046 Жыл бұрын
What kind of nitrate is that? Potassium or sodium?
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Sodium nitrate.
@christopherdangelo39652 жыл бұрын
My Leader
@buensomeritano17555 жыл бұрын
GEO!! GEO!! GEO!!
@bobsunkees33923 ай бұрын
Can't find the hi yeild stuff.
@GeoONE
3 ай бұрын
Any source of potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate will work.
@spotlobac76944 жыл бұрын
hi there ace, i use this stuff all the time, can i use amonium sulfate in a glass still to make nitric acid...???Anyone ???
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Ammonia and nitric acid creates an explosive compound. It is possible but not anything I would recommend.
@spotlobac7694
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE roger that i disolved some & nothing recrystalized. thanx, bill.
@prospectorpete3 жыл бұрын
how do you reclaim the sulfuric acid from the solution
@GeoONE
3 жыл бұрын
It can be distilled carefully.
@prospectorpete
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE how
@shoukatbabar7395 жыл бұрын
V good sirr i want to dissolve the tree leaves to extract the gold base metal my question is that which acid i used to extract or digest the enitre leaves in acid???
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that I understand your question. Gold will dissolve in hydrochloric acid and several different oxidizers. Aqua regia is a combination of hydrochloric acid (3 parts) and nitric acid (1 part).
@shoukatbabar739
5 жыл бұрын
Sir there is gold in the eucalptus tree leaves and stem my question is which acid is better to distroy the leaves organic matter sir you can search how to make gold from tree leaves and stem???? Sirr you can also see an indian scientist precipated the gold from tree leaves
@shoukatbabar739
5 жыл бұрын
Sirr all the medcinal tree include 12 tree leaves have gold silver and plantium my question is the if we burnt the tree leaves in any acid then which acid or other thing like smb copperas ferrous sulphate or iron sulphate oxalic acid or pei_ls solution or EDTA solution is used to percipated the gold??
@shoukatbabar739
5 жыл бұрын
Sirr i have a video to percipate the gold bt material not mensioned
@buensomeritano1755
5 жыл бұрын
@@shoukatbabar739 you might try incinerating the leaves first and leaching the ash......then SMB.....look up sreetips on youtube.... he demonstrates several precipitants......i heard about the euc trees down under and gold uptake.....fascinating.... would love to know your results
@adambuysyuckyhouses5 жыл бұрын
Does it have to be hot to get tge silver out?? Or how
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
This material will not have silver. If you are working with material that has silver, the silver will dissolve just as it would using nitric acid. To recover the silver, add a chloride such as non-iodized salt or hydrochloric acid. Or you could cement the silver out of solution as a metal using a piece of copper metal.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE thank u for your fast reply. Which is better using hcl or copper. With hcl dont u need to convert it? But the copper will contaminate the cemented silver a alil
@adambuysyuckyhouses
5 жыл бұрын
I am trouble telling when its done. It is finely divided material and its hot. Some bubblez but i cant tell if its from heat or reaction
@light_yajami_6832
4 жыл бұрын
Did it work on the silver? And I’ll be bringing it back with copper I think that might be best, but I could be wrong! And should I leave it heating up as the copper is in. I have about 4 ounces of 925silver ???
@davidbarron1073 жыл бұрын
love your videos.i can get 85% sulphuric acid.its a fed liquid.could I use that instead.i see yr sulphuric acid is 98% and a white liquid
@GeoONE
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Drain cleaner will work just fine.
@davidbarron107
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE thanks Geo..I wish I seen your video earliar.i just purchased a distillation kit litrelly last night for making nitric acid.its hard to get it nitric acid in Ireland...it won't go to waste.i seen in the comments that you will recover your hydrocloric acid and your nitric acid.have you got videos of that or will you be making one on recovering acids.look forward to more new videos.keep up the great work geo
@robinbayten76412 жыл бұрын
hir sir i start to recover gold that have i collect pin pinger and old cellphone board i've been used salt,vinegar and peroxide 3%, it is good or not, thank u
@GeoONE
2 жыл бұрын
Not recommended for beginners working with material with high tin content due to the formation of metastannic acid. It will dissolve the base metal from the material you described and leave the gold untouched, the foils will be mixed with a white jello looking mess that's hard to separate from the gold.
@justz00t48 Жыл бұрын
Good ringtone! Lol
@whateverman5555565654 жыл бұрын
Sincerely! Thank you! Worked WAY WAY better than expected. I did 3 baths... MF'N WOW! You sir get my internet glory golf clap of the year!! Ive been doing this a while, conventionally anyway.. This method is way easier and safer for first timers and old timers have NOT A F'ING CLUE! Ohh and it WORKS!!!.... P.S..... IT WORKS!. I owe you several beers sir! msg me :) Good things for good people ;)
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@adambuysyuckyhouses6 жыл бұрын
I did ur process exactly but it turned yellow not blue is that cuz there was trace amount of hcl...?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Are there foils showing? If not. test the solution with stannous chloride. Yes, HCl contamination will cause the gold to dissolve.
@MichaelLapore-lk9jz Жыл бұрын
Couldn't you get potassium nitrate? I mean as a farmer , I'm sure you heard about stump remover!
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Any nitrate can be used although calcium nitrate is not recommended due to the formation of calcium sulfate.
@dennisdenton55505 жыл бұрын
Great info. I can't find 16-0-0. Would 32-0-0 do?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Since it will dissolve silver, I would not use urea as it can form an explosive compound with dissolved silver.
@davew3649
5 жыл бұрын
Hello Geo, amazing video and explanation. I also cannot find 16-0-0 and the cost to buy it and ship it to me is just as much as buying nitric, which I have a case of but would rather not use up so fast. Would 16-0-1 work? Will that 1% potassium be an issue?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
@@davew3649 I don't think so. Calcium is a real pain though.
@tinsoffish1810
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE i think you replied to the wrong post😨
@light_yajami_68324 жыл бұрын
So use this just like if it was nitric acid for silver, then dilute solution add copper to bring back silver ??? I wonder what kind of lost u would have?! I’m wanting to refine my 925 silver to 999 silver!!! I have about 4 ounces of 925 DANGIT IT! iTS HARD BEING APOUR MAN
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
No loses that I know of. Experiments have shown that it works well for silver. Members of my fabebook group have been using it for a couple of years now.
@light_yajami_6832
4 жыл бұрын
I got it set up now wish I could show u picture lol I just started it and it’s with sulfuric acid and stump remover wish me luck thanks
@light_yajami_6832
4 жыл бұрын
Geo well i got some acid it turned my finger yellow! I was kind of trying to distill it and that didn’t work. I poured off what I had and it dissolved copper so I stuck a silver quarter in it, the reactions going real slow even with heat. looks like some black stuff around the quarter and guess to what I might want to do next ??
@herbertcox32333 жыл бұрын
Get your money right
@adambuysyuckyhouses6 жыл бұрын
Why do u need sulfuric if ur usng nitrate
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
The sodium nitrate will not decompose and release NO2 without the sulfuric acid. The sulfuric acid is a catalyst. It decomposes the nitrate salt releasing nitrogen dioxide which is absorbed by the water creating nitric acid in the process. It will not work without the sulfuric acid.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Geo im sorry i dont understand, other ppl do it different or use different nitrate???
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Also is heat required for a reaction
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
The sulfuric acid breaks the bonds between the sodium and the nitrogen releasing nitrogen dioxide. The NO2 is absorbed by the water in solution and is turned into nitric acid all in one go. Yes, heat is required for the reaction to take place.
@dalewade46094 жыл бұрын
There is a very fast way to strip the gold away less than two hours with A.P. would like to talk to you in person about it. I work In Decatur and Huntsville almost every day. But live in Cullman as for now. Retired electrician/a/c and refrigeration work below radar on the side I think we can help each other out with recovery and refining 😎😎💻🔬keep scrapping 😎😎
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
I use copper(II) chloride (AP) all the time. I just don't use peroxide because it can dissolve some gold. This is just a demonstration for people that like using nitric acid but nitric is expensive and hard to find for some people. You can catch me on my facebook group at facebook.com/groups/GeoMetals/ Be sure to answer all three security questions or my admin will just delete the request to join.
@dalewade4609
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE I don't find gold in solution by testing
@kerry-annemmartin1919
Жыл бұрын
Can I please ask you if I can use a metal container instead of glass to make poormans nitric acid
@wilhelminapruitt5282 жыл бұрын
Can't find nowhere
@kassiman53076 жыл бұрын
That is a VERY INTERESTING VIDEO ...!
@jsthereforfun164811 ай бұрын
Hi yield how are you
@isaacgarza33074 жыл бұрын
Can you use ammonium nitrite?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Short answer is, yes. But safety concerns says, no. Ammonia and dissolved precious metals do not react well together and there is a chance of creating an unstable compound.
@isaacgarza3307
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE thanks ....
@Barnekkid Жыл бұрын
What are "trimmed fingers?"
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
On the edge of cards that plug into a computer. The fingers are the gold plated part.
@adambuysyuckyhouses6 жыл бұрын
I bought a drain opener but it says it has lie it doesn't say anything about sulfuric acid
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Drain opener was made with both chemicals. You have to find the kind with sulfuric acid.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Geo will it say on the bottle? Isnt lye the opposite of sulfuric acid?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. It will say "contains virgin sulfuric acid" on the label. Yes, sodium hydroxide is a strong base and is the opposite of acid.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Found it thanx
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome.
@petrejivan35404 жыл бұрын
Nitrat of soda ? Hidroxid of soda? Caustic soda?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Sodium nitrate. Sodium hydroxide. Lye.
@petrejivan3540
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE tenk yu mein frend
@goldentrashdk68516 жыл бұрын
Can this poormans nitric be Pre made and stored?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, store in a cool place out of the sun lightly capped. Do not seal completely. It only reacts when there's metal that can be dissolved.
@goldentrashdk6851
6 жыл бұрын
Geo what would the mix ratio be?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Since I don't premix, it would be hard to say. Solid sodium nitrate equals nitric acid very closely though the needs 1.2 gram to 1 gram of nitric acid. The sulfuric acid is mixed in relation to the water used. I normally mix it 10% concentration roughly. A gallon is 3,785 ml's. A gallon of tech grade nitric acid will dissolve 2.5 pounds of copper. 2.5 pounds is 1,132 grams. It takes 3.3 ml of tech grade nitric acid to dissolve 1 gram of copper metal. 1.2 X 3.3 = 3.9 grams of sodium nitrate to dissolve 1 gram of copper metal.
@davidlee1719
6 жыл бұрын
in his beaker from what I can see, it is a 16:1:1 (1600 ml of tap water, 100 ml of Sulfuric, and 2x 50ml beakers of Nitrate for 100 "ml" of Nitrate to approximately 800 'ml' of material to be dissolved. Best I could guess.
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Correct
@bobcooper22395 жыл бұрын
geo, can you process some monolithic capcitors for me
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Contact me on facebook or messenger.
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
facebook.com/jeff.massey.507
@bobcooper2239
5 жыл бұрын
I DONT USE FACEBOOK HOW DO I USE MESSENGER?
@bobcooper2239
5 жыл бұрын
email is the best for me
@bobcooper2239
5 жыл бұрын
email not going to work?
@ericzhao19633 жыл бұрын
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@kallah4999 Жыл бұрын
There's way easier ways toake nitric acid. Get some calcium nitrate or some other water retning nitrate salt. Then just add sodium bicarbonate, boil it down to supersaturation and let it cool down to room temperature. Collect the sodium nitrate crystals and biol it down some more to crystallize the rest. Edit: it has to be distilled with H2SO4 to get 68% nitric.
@mihaiilie8808
Жыл бұрын
Distilation isnt easier than this.
@ZAPATTUBE
Жыл бұрын
THAT AIN'T EASY!!
@lesme526 Жыл бұрын
I can't do that, because the nitric acid in the Philippines is so expensive.
@angelortizcruz19423 жыл бұрын
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@nathanielmoore5480 Жыл бұрын
Time to pop some hexamine tablets into that and have lots of fun
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Thank you, sir - I love this method! I mean, the idea of reclaiming and refining precious metals with laboratory equipment and chemicals is cool. But doing it with stuff from the local hardware store, garden supply store and thrift stores is badass. This is even cooler than acid-peroxide. You're a steely-eyed man of science for sharing this with us
@BillAnt
9 ай бұрын
What the heck is "gold finger" he's talking about? Are they gold plated metal pieces?
@reluctantlemming
9 ай бұрын
@@BillAnt yes, they're the gold plated pins like the ones old hard drives had for the cable to connect to, or the tabs on video cards that slide into a socket on the motherboard
Thanks for sharing. I am new to this and I am a extremely poor man and just trying to better my family situation so again thank you for sharing.
Love it Geo, thank you for sharing your techniques. More appreciated than I think you know!
Your video added Great knowledge to my study,thankyou!
Geo incredible processes. Glad to finally put a process to the gold refining forums!
All you have to do is stick a chunk of IRON in the copper solution to make it crash out as copper metal.
@genewickersham4593
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Ive used a stainless steel spoon to recover copper from acid solution, but after a while the spoon dissolves. I guess iron is a cheaper alternative.
Poor Man's nitric acid, known otherwise in chemistry as a double salt substitution.
Oh, the good old days, back when you could get nitrate of soda.
Excuse me but yes you are responsible for the explanation of and knowledgeable information give .....that is one of the best I've seen..thanks buddy
Great vid man. And dang how much simpler can it get?? Lol. I am just starting to get in to Gold recovery and researching all I can before hand. Thanx for the entertainment 🤘👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@dabxnoiseviv8866
4 жыл бұрын
Smart man💯
Geo, Your the best buddy. Love the video. Thank you
If you only have calcium nitrate, you can add sodium sulfate or some other sulfate, then heat it while leading the vapors over in a beaker with water forming nitric acid without the crystallization of calcium sulfate, saving your glassware.
Good info! Thank you!
Ah! Just the video I was looking for. Was wondering if distillation in order to concentrate nitric acid was completely necessary when adding a nitrate salt to sulfuric acid for gold recovery.
@Jah-nee
Жыл бұрын
Distillation of vapers = pure nitric acid... Due believe....
Thank you my good sir! You have inspired me to repeated success!
One more quick question GOO did a pretty good batch of chips and crumble I’m still showing gold in solution but it looks like Sam has dropped should I just keep add an SMB until it all drops out I really appreciate your help
Hi there, probably a dumb question, but how much gold fingers did you start with by weight? I think I have the rest of the process down for using the poor mans nitric. Also, as you mentioned the list of other metals this can be used for, for silver recovery and refining this process is ok except distilled water needs to be used, but then the rest of the process is that same right? adding distilled water, and a chunk o copper to cement out the silver? Lastly, cpu pins, kovar, I am guessing this works on that as well? Thanks my friend!
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
On this particular batch, close to 8 pounds. It will dissolve silver but works better on impure silver such as sterling. Not sure why anyone would want to dissolve pure silver any way. :-D Use distilled water and the process works exactly the same way. Copper is what I use to cement my silver with. Make sure to denoxx well before cementing. Yes, it works very well when working with processors.
@moosescrapper5928
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE Sorry, I should have been more precise, yes, i was referring to silver from contact points, broken sterling jewelry etc. Can this be used to make AR for gold recovery from ceramic cpus, IC's, and eproms?
Geo, i wanted to clarify that this method would remove the base metals from gold plated pins and or circuit boards? and using sodium bicarbonate as the acid neutralizer?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It will dissolve base metal but neutralizing is not necessary until treated as waste.
Thank you
Very nice demonstration. Do you or can you denox with urea? Thank you
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. It works exactly like nitric acid.
@dannosdive8552
6 жыл бұрын
Geo thank you
thanks fella!
What % proof is the mixture as I believe it needs to be 70% so silver can be processed properly? I'm in the UK so it's nearly impossible to get hold of nitric so if this works for refining scrap sterling silver then that would be great? But it does depend on the %
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
It does work with silver. 100 grams of sodium nitrate and 30 ml's of 98% sulfuric acid and 1000 ml's of distilled water should dissolve 200 grams of sterling.
@matthewhatch9141
Жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE and then do you drop the silver back out using hydrochloric acid?
Great video very informative. You can complete the same process . by Combining salt , vinegar , peroxide . With a bubbler hose. Best wishes .
@jivanpetre7252
5 жыл бұрын
Salt vinegar peroxide remove.disolve gold????????
@Serainia123
5 жыл бұрын
3 parts Muriatic acid (HCl/hydrochloric 31.45%) 1 part regular 3% hydrogen peroxide. No bubbler, a couple days, does not dissolve gold. This one doesn't help you much with the pins, but does the fingers, cell phones, etc if you don't happen to have a bubbler laying around. GREAT VIDEO!!! I learned a great deal thank you, kind sir!!! Keep it up
Hmm... I had no idea Sneed’s Feed and Seed (formerly Chuck’s) sold such useful products... good to know!
I think that drain opener is only 53-70% concentrated from what I've read online. I have some I'm getting ready to distill and looked it up. Still strong enough for most uses.
@ryanallen1014
Жыл бұрын
Depends on what drain opener. Around here we have 97-98% virgin concentrated sulfuric acid for $9.99 a quart. Even if you dont have that concentration and or additives in your acid you can clean it by heating you h2so4 and adding drop wise cold concentrated hydrogen peroxide. Continue heating to steaming off water until you reach the maximum concentration of 98%.
Hey, don't quit now! I come back to your channel over and over. I would love to see you process the copper out of circuit boards.
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It's actually in the works.
@ManMountainMetals
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE That is awesome! Thanks so much!
@E-BikingAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you go through that much trouble for such a small amount of copper? It's less than $3.00 a pound.
@bobsunkees3392
2 жыл бұрын
@@E-BikingAdventures eviroment in pack then you can pull out the silver lead and neutralize the solution and dispose it's an easy process.
Do you think this might work on crushed gold ore that has a lot of pyrite and lots of other metals?
@ATF.California
Жыл бұрын
No
Will dye in sulfuric acid complicate your ability to make iron sulfate? Because I have failed at every attempt and doing so. But I've always used a sulfuric acid with a dye in it. NOT really the subject of this video, just side tracked I suppose.
I love the video about how to break down the metal and get the gold separated. But then how do you produce Accra Fria to liquefy the gold to make it more pure without nitric acid if you can
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
After the base metal is leached from the gold, a solution of aqua regia is made using HCl (muriatic acid) and sodium nitrate from this video. Use 1g of sodium nitrate for 1 ml of nitric acid.
@dustinhults5679
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your reply
@E-BikingAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining how to make Acura Ferrari.
Geo I like your video very interesting quick question for you will this work on fully plated pins and partially plated pins thank u for your time.
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Keep in mind that heat is required to drive the reaction to completion.
GEO - A fun (and informative) video to watch. QUESTION: I would love to do this with some of my concentrated filter cake I collected from leaching actual ore. I've got some 250 mesh cake that is 2%+ Au. Do you think I could I run the material in this solution to remove the copper, lead and silver in the first go around. Then run the leftover material in another batch of the poor-man's nitric mix but add some HCl (to make poor-man's A/R) to put the Au into solution before dropping it with SMB. I really want to do this after watching you.....THANK YOU
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It should work okay.
@buensomeritano1755
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE I am opening a PGM mine this year and am looking for refinement methods that are inexpensive and safer than amalgam. I want to be able to remove the ferrous with magnets from our concentrates and put them right into solution and drop out each valuable metal and recover the acids and precipitates for future use and reduce environmental impact and lower overheads. The mine was an amalgam operation in the 1800s, so there is mercury present. There is also lanthanides and thorium. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I was very excited to see this video. Thank you kindly, sir!
Sir, in your opinion, could you explain, at least how much comparison in volum to be poured for making the solution when I will use HCl : HNO3 such that it can proper in the work (remain to able to dissolving copper) and safe for environmental? Thanks in advance
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Solid sodium nitrate can be calculated at 1.1 gram of solid nitrate equals 1 ml of liquid nitric acid.
@suharyanto831
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE 1 mL nitrit acid for how much HCl ?
Hey geo great video im just askin how concentrated is the nitric acid
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Concentration varies on available sulfuric acid.
very good video geo
Great video. What happens to the silver if there is any? Does it dissolve in the solution or come out with the gold?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
There's no silver in fingers. Although if there had been silver, it would dissolve. The gold does not dissolve in poor mans nitric acid.
@shshgaming189
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the reason I ask is coz there is Silver in some CPUs so wanted to know how I can get to that too after I've removed the gold. Absolutely love your video. Thanks so much for sharing. I'm thinking ahead to the next step to see how I can get the silver from the waste.
@shshgaming189
5 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing same ingredients again but adding a copper base to cement the silver
@Jah-nee
Жыл бұрын
@@shshgaming189 true..
Just curious: can nitrate of soda be used to work with silver recovery?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Use distilled water and either potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate.
One more quick question my solution is bluish green with a whitish gray film once I start decanting
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Usually the white material is tin that is dissolved by the nitric acid that is formed. It is called metastannic acid. Once the foils are gathered, dissolve the foils in what ever acids you like and the white should be left unchanged. Filter the solution well and make sure it's clear before dropping the gold.
pretty good
Hi, would this not need to be distilled first for refining scrap silver? Regards
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
No. There is a gentleman on my facebook group Ewaste And Precious Metal Refining that I have helped him with the process of working with silver. Substitute tap water for distilled water for silver.
@thewatchers9620
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE geo thanks for the reply, the reason I asked is that there's loads of people that use distillation first to make a concentrate Nitric. So this process that you have shown will refine things like scrap silver bars? Worn scrap coins, flatwear etc? Regards
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
@@thewatchers9620 Yes. It will dissolve silver and then you can cement onto copper just like nitric acid does.
Can this be used to dissolve gold?
Can you make poor man's aqua regia also by substituting muratic acid for the sulfuric acid?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
Large disaster when phone and laptop went out, back on line, re subed
Hey Geo, just curious how much base material by weight you had in the beaker, if you know.
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Approximately 1 kg of trimmed fingers.
boy I like this way much better than distilling a nitric acid 1st
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
I think it is.
@cditzler6313
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE will this make aqua regia when mixed with hcl
@cditzler6313
4 жыл бұрын
I used pot nitrate sulfuric acid and water if mixed heated by themselves btw I mixed this method up and haven't used heat yet my pyrex overflow pan shattered on burner haha getting a replacement soon stainless steel big dog dish soon as I can get past the neighbors dog just kidding
Geo, Do you know what is wrong with the goldrefiningforum? It seems to be offline for many days now...
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
It is a problem with Noxx not paying the server fees.
@archeonist
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick answer. Do you know how we can help him? Or is there a way to get in to contact with him?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
He was mountain climbing in Peru. He may be able to straighten it out when he gets back. No one but Noxx can do anything about it.
Will this process work for gold fill junk jewelry ? Thanks..
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
Awesome brother
sir is soduim hydroxide lye and drain opener are the Same?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Sodium hydroxide is lye. Drain opener can be either sodium hydroxide or sulfuric acid. It should say on the label which chemical it is. Sulfuric acid drain opener will normally be in a sealed plastic bag.
Great description Geo. I assume that you can add HCl to make AR for the next step. Not sure how much HCl would be ideal to dissolve the Au. Thanks!
@GeoONE
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly.
Geo I can t find soda of nitrite...at my local hardware or feed n seeds....can I use...hi-yield brand (blood meal) 12% water insoluble organic nitrogen?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
See if they can get Hi-Yield Nitrate of Soda. Duda-Energy is sold out at the moment.
@rogergrimes4500
Жыл бұрын
Did you ever try the bone meal? I'm trying it now. We will see what happens.
This video needs to be watched at 1.5 speed. Otherwise you will get a brain damage.
@drmarine1771
5 жыл бұрын
lol
@dragonfighter217
5 жыл бұрын
lmao it works
@transistor754
5 жыл бұрын
ya'all come back now?
@bushiseishin
4 жыл бұрын
it does! much better! LMAO!!
@jerrykingsley6703
4 жыл бұрын
WONDERFUL TIP.
I did just this and ended up with Cooper (11) sulfate crystals cemented in the bottom of my jar. What can I do about that now?
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Well thankfully, copper sulfate is water soluble so the crystals will dissolve in water.
Will this work to refine silver and then dropping it with copper?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. If done properly, it works just like nitric acid.
@katana1960
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE So when you say "done properly," you mean use distilled water instead of tap water, correct? Is there anything else to do when using with silver? Thanks
Nice I thought i was the only doing it this way actually I add peroxide to it when doing doing silver. Which was found by accident while making piranha solution for a batch pins my bag of nitrates had a hole in bottom and while I stood up a decent amount fell right in my piranha I thought it was trashed but I let it go on low heat and in 2 hours nothing but gold foils and some cool looking copper sulfate crystals. 2 times faster with the peroxide. And no gold in solution 🤑
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It does work with silver.
@shshgaming189
5 жыл бұрын
So if you're recovering silver too you add peroxide? I didn't get that part.
@burnroe6611
5 жыл бұрын
Peroxide is an oxidizer i use it just to speed up the process wether it is gold or silver or any mettal it makes it faster .however peroxide and hydrochloric acid when heated will dissolve your gold.
So what do you do with the byproduct chemicals?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
The acids and base metal can be reclaimed. I'm not worried about the chemicals at the moment but I reclaim the copper by cementing the copper out of solution on steel.
So basically very dilute sulfuric acid ?🤔
@GeoONE
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
When I use this process I get a white - grey silver chloride looking powder that is a real pain "not silver either". Any idea?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
If you are dissolving pins, most pins are brass or phosphor bronze and contain tin in the base metal. Dissolving tin this way will make metastannic acid. It's a gooey, sloppy mess that clogs filters and traps foils. I know how to deal with it but that will be in another video.
@johndavis3312
6 жыл бұрын
Geo that's what I was thinking. Sure would like to know how to get rid of it. I mostly do pins with rev- electro. But tried it with this method worked great other than the powder.
@stevennolan2675
5 жыл бұрын
Remove solder from pins with a boil in hydrochloric acid first to get rid of tin
Okay I see what you did there... Hmm. Thank you
god vare vare god tankyo
Geo , what will this mix do to I.C. chips?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
It will dissolve base metal and silver leaving the gold metal intact. I've used it for this purpose many times.
@raymondreyes8046
Жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE so if you were to do ic chips would u still need to try and get the metal out before using it? Or just leave everything and it'll dissolve it?
As it's a salt of a strong acid, ammonium nitrate is mildly acidic to begin with, unlike sodium nitrate. I wonder if it might work faster than the sodium salt?
@GeoONE
2 ай бұрын
Adding organics to refining is not a good idea unless you know what you are doing. There is the possibility of creating an unstable compound.
Hi nice video, can I use calcium nitrate instead of sodium nitrate? Thanks
@GeoONE
5 ай бұрын
No. The calcium will rob the solution of sulfuric acid by producing calcium sulfate. Calcium sulfate is a off white, pearlescent solid that will clog filters.
@1insane614
3 ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video? 😂
Hi Geo I appreciate your videos my name is Marco Ramirez I am new to gold recovery but I am a trying this process with coffee Parts as my heat source how long does it have to soak and break down it’s been about three hours on my end and it’s bubbling and I see a little bit of gold but not a lot is it because the heat isn’t hot enough thank you
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
You answered your own question. It needs to be hot enough for the nitrate to decompose to nitrogen dioxide (red fumes). Somewhere around 230°F is minimum. I normally crank my cheap burners wide open. They run around 350°F and it works really well.
@marcoramirez502
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jill this is Marco Ramirez I have a quick question phoria I don’t know how you feel about maybe giving me a call 907-299-7766 I’m in Homer Alaska I wanna run something by you thank you
Hi Geo so after doing this process and filtering to have just the gold coils how would we dissolve the gold. I thought Nitric acid dissolves gold. Isn't this poormans nitric acid?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Gold foils can be dissolved a couple of ways. Hydrochloric acid and chlorine bleach will dissolve gold foils and powders. Hydrochloric acid and nitric acid will dissolve gold of any type. Nitric acid alone will not dissolve gold. It must be in combination with hydrochloric acid. Aqua regia is a mixture of 3 parts hydrochloric acid and 1 part nitric acid.
Chemistry is not your strong point because you put the dry stuff in first and ad liquids next and if you don't put so much water in. It will generate your own heat.
very well explained and well showed thanks for sharing cool thank you
@zee7705
6 жыл бұрын
Hey geo I like what u do I've got something for you. Can sulfuric at the auto parts store cheap it's what they use in batterys thanks I've enjoyed ur video's hope u get this
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. 10% battery electrolyte will work.
You got my sub sir
What kind of nitrate is that? Potassium or sodium?
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Sodium nitrate.
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Can't find the hi yeild stuff.
@GeoONE
3 ай бұрын
Any source of potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate will work.
hi there ace, i use this stuff all the time, can i use amonium sulfate in a glass still to make nitric acid...???Anyone ???
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Ammonia and nitric acid creates an explosive compound. It is possible but not anything I would recommend.
@spotlobac7694
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE roger that i disolved some & nothing recrystalized. thanx, bill.
how do you reclaim the sulfuric acid from the solution
@GeoONE
3 жыл бұрын
It can be distilled carefully.
@prospectorpete
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE how
V good sirr i want to dissolve the tree leaves to extract the gold base metal my question is that which acid i used to extract or digest the enitre leaves in acid???
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that I understand your question. Gold will dissolve in hydrochloric acid and several different oxidizers. Aqua regia is a combination of hydrochloric acid (3 parts) and nitric acid (1 part).
@shoukatbabar739
5 жыл бұрын
Sir there is gold in the eucalptus tree leaves and stem my question is which acid is better to distroy the leaves organic matter sir you can search how to make gold from tree leaves and stem???? Sirr you can also see an indian scientist precipated the gold from tree leaves
@shoukatbabar739
5 жыл бұрын
Sirr all the medcinal tree include 12 tree leaves have gold silver and plantium my question is the if we burnt the tree leaves in any acid then which acid or other thing like smb copperas ferrous sulphate or iron sulphate oxalic acid or pei_ls solution or EDTA solution is used to percipated the gold??
@shoukatbabar739
5 жыл бұрын
Sirr i have a video to percipate the gold bt material not mensioned
@buensomeritano1755
5 жыл бұрын
@@shoukatbabar739 you might try incinerating the leaves first and leaching the ash......then SMB.....look up sreetips on youtube.... he demonstrates several precipitants......i heard about the euc trees down under and gold uptake.....fascinating.... would love to know your results
Does it have to be hot to get tge silver out?? Or how
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
This material will not have silver. If you are working with material that has silver, the silver will dissolve just as it would using nitric acid. To recover the silver, add a chloride such as non-iodized salt or hydrochloric acid. Or you could cement the silver out of solution as a metal using a piece of copper metal.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE thank u for your fast reply. Which is better using hcl or copper. With hcl dont u need to convert it? But the copper will contaminate the cemented silver a alil
@adambuysyuckyhouses
5 жыл бұрын
I am trouble telling when its done. It is finely divided material and its hot. Some bubblez but i cant tell if its from heat or reaction
@light_yajami_6832
4 жыл бұрын
Did it work on the silver? And I’ll be bringing it back with copper I think that might be best, but I could be wrong! And should I leave it heating up as the copper is in. I have about 4 ounces of 925silver ???
love your videos.i can get 85% sulphuric acid.its a fed liquid.could I use that instead.i see yr sulphuric acid is 98% and a white liquid
@GeoONE
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Drain cleaner will work just fine.
@davidbarron107
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE thanks Geo..I wish I seen your video earliar.i just purchased a distillation kit litrelly last night for making nitric acid.its hard to get it nitric acid in Ireland...it won't go to waste.i seen in the comments that you will recover your hydrocloric acid and your nitric acid.have you got videos of that or will you be making one on recovering acids.look forward to more new videos.keep up the great work geo
hir sir i start to recover gold that have i collect pin pinger and old cellphone board i've been used salt,vinegar and peroxide 3%, it is good or not, thank u
@GeoONE
2 жыл бұрын
Not recommended for beginners working with material with high tin content due to the formation of metastannic acid. It will dissolve the base metal from the material you described and leave the gold untouched, the foils will be mixed with a white jello looking mess that's hard to separate from the gold.
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Sincerely! Thank you! Worked WAY WAY better than expected. I did 3 baths... MF'N WOW! You sir get my internet glory golf clap of the year!! Ive been doing this a while, conventionally anyway.. This method is way easier and safer for first timers and old timers have NOT A F'ING CLUE! Ohh and it WORKS!!!.... P.S..... IT WORKS!. I owe you several beers sir! msg me :) Good things for good people ;)
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
I did ur process exactly but it turned yellow not blue is that cuz there was trace amount of hcl...?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Are there foils showing? If not. test the solution with stannous chloride. Yes, HCl contamination will cause the gold to dissolve.
Couldn't you get potassium nitrate? I mean as a farmer , I'm sure you heard about stump remover!
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
Any nitrate can be used although calcium nitrate is not recommended due to the formation of calcium sulfate.
Great info. I can't find 16-0-0. Would 32-0-0 do?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Since it will dissolve silver, I would not use urea as it can form an explosive compound with dissolved silver.
@davew3649
5 жыл бұрын
Hello Geo, amazing video and explanation. I also cannot find 16-0-0 and the cost to buy it and ship it to me is just as much as buying nitric, which I have a case of but would rather not use up so fast. Would 16-0-1 work? Will that 1% potassium be an issue?
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
@@davew3649 I don't think so. Calcium is a real pain though.
@tinsoffish1810
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE i think you replied to the wrong post😨
So use this just like if it was nitric acid for silver, then dilute solution add copper to bring back silver ??? I wonder what kind of lost u would have?! I’m wanting to refine my 925 silver to 999 silver!!! I have about 4 ounces of 925 DANGIT IT! iTS HARD BEING APOUR MAN
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
No loses that I know of. Experiments have shown that it works well for silver. Members of my fabebook group have been using it for a couple of years now.
@light_yajami_6832
4 жыл бұрын
I got it set up now wish I could show u picture lol I just started it and it’s with sulfuric acid and stump remover wish me luck thanks
@light_yajami_6832
4 жыл бұрын
Geo well i got some acid it turned my finger yellow! I was kind of trying to distill it and that didn’t work. I poured off what I had and it dissolved copper so I stuck a silver quarter in it, the reactions going real slow even with heat. looks like some black stuff around the quarter and guess to what I might want to do next ??
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Why do u need sulfuric if ur usng nitrate
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
The sodium nitrate will not decompose and release NO2 without the sulfuric acid. The sulfuric acid is a catalyst. It decomposes the nitrate salt releasing nitrogen dioxide which is absorbed by the water creating nitric acid in the process. It will not work without the sulfuric acid.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Geo im sorry i dont understand, other ppl do it different or use different nitrate???
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Also is heat required for a reaction
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
The sulfuric acid breaks the bonds between the sodium and the nitrogen releasing nitrogen dioxide. The NO2 is absorbed by the water in solution and is turned into nitric acid all in one go. Yes, heat is required for the reaction to take place.
There is a very fast way to strip the gold away less than two hours with A.P. would like to talk to you in person about it. I work In Decatur and Huntsville almost every day. But live in Cullman as for now. Retired electrician/a/c and refrigeration work below radar on the side I think we can help each other out with recovery and refining 😎😎💻🔬keep scrapping 😎😎
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
I use copper(II) chloride (AP) all the time. I just don't use peroxide because it can dissolve some gold. This is just a demonstration for people that like using nitric acid but nitric is expensive and hard to find for some people. You can catch me on my facebook group at facebook.com/groups/GeoMetals/ Be sure to answer all three security questions or my admin will just delete the request to join.
@dalewade4609
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE I don't find gold in solution by testing
@kerry-annemmartin1919
Жыл бұрын
Can I please ask you if I can use a metal container instead of glass to make poormans nitric acid
Can't find nowhere
That is a VERY INTERESTING VIDEO ...!
Hi yield how are you
Can you use ammonium nitrite?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Short answer is, yes. But safety concerns says, no. Ammonia and dissolved precious metals do not react well together and there is a chance of creating an unstable compound.
@isaacgarza3307
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE thanks ....
What are "trimmed fingers?"
@GeoONE
Жыл бұрын
On the edge of cards that plug into a computer. The fingers are the gold plated part.
I bought a drain opener but it says it has lie it doesn't say anything about sulfuric acid
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Drain opener was made with both chemicals. You have to find the kind with sulfuric acid.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Geo will it say on the bottle? Isnt lye the opposite of sulfuric acid?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. It will say "contains virgin sulfuric acid" on the label. Yes, sodium hydroxide is a strong base and is the opposite of acid.
@adambuysyuckyhouses
6 жыл бұрын
Found it thanx
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome.
Nitrat of soda ? Hidroxid of soda? Caustic soda?
@GeoONE
4 жыл бұрын
Sodium nitrate. Sodium hydroxide. Lye.
@petrejivan3540
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeoONE tenk yu mein frend
Can this poormans nitric be Pre made and stored?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, store in a cool place out of the sun lightly capped. Do not seal completely. It only reacts when there's metal that can be dissolved.
@goldentrashdk6851
6 жыл бұрын
Geo what would the mix ratio be?
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Since I don't premix, it would be hard to say. Solid sodium nitrate equals nitric acid very closely though the needs 1.2 gram to 1 gram of nitric acid. The sulfuric acid is mixed in relation to the water used. I normally mix it 10% concentration roughly. A gallon is 3,785 ml's. A gallon of tech grade nitric acid will dissolve 2.5 pounds of copper. 2.5 pounds is 1,132 grams. It takes 3.3 ml of tech grade nitric acid to dissolve 1 gram of copper metal. 1.2 X 3.3 = 3.9 grams of sodium nitrate to dissolve 1 gram of copper metal.
@davidlee1719
6 жыл бұрын
in his beaker from what I can see, it is a 16:1:1 (1600 ml of tap water, 100 ml of Sulfuric, and 2x 50ml beakers of Nitrate for 100 "ml" of Nitrate to approximately 800 'ml' of material to be dissolved. Best I could guess.
@GeoONE
6 жыл бұрын
Correct
geo, can you process some monolithic capcitors for me
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
Contact me on facebook or messenger.
@GeoONE
5 жыл бұрын
facebook.com/jeff.massey.507
@bobcooper2239
5 жыл бұрын
I DONT USE FACEBOOK HOW DO I USE MESSENGER?
@bobcooper2239
5 жыл бұрын
email is the best for me
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5 жыл бұрын
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There's way easier ways toake nitric acid. Get some calcium nitrate or some other water retning nitrate salt. Then just add sodium bicarbonate, boil it down to supersaturation and let it cool down to room temperature. Collect the sodium nitrate crystals and biol it down some more to crystallize the rest. Edit: it has to be distilled with H2SO4 to get 68% nitric.
@mihaiilie8808
Жыл бұрын
Distilation isnt easier than this.
@ZAPATTUBE
Жыл бұрын
THAT AIN'T EASY!!
I can't do that, because the nitric acid in the Philippines is so expensive.
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Time to pop some hexamine tablets into that and have lots of fun