[PODCAST] Theistic Evolution? with Dr. Stephen Meyer

Some Christians are trying to get the church to accept evolution by putting the word “theistic” in front of it. Is that wise? Is evolution true? Join Frank and his guest Dr. Stephen Meyer (one of the best people on the planet to discuss this), as they investigate several important questions such as:
• Theistic evolution: What is it?
• If it’s true, where does God intervene?
• Is it a halfway house between naturalism and ID?
• Does it contradict the Bible?
• What about the “god of the gaps” fallacy? (Might evolutionists be committing the “natural law of the gaps” fallacy?
• How do Christians explain the simple to complex progression of life in the fossil record?
• What dating methods are used to date fossils?
Dr. Meyer contributed significantly to the massive recent book, Theistic Evolution: A Scientific, Philosophical and Theological Critique. You should also go to the CrossExamined app and listen to the January 2017 and September 2014 shows with Dr. Meyer. Those shows are evergreen and lay out the evidence against macroevolution and for intelligent design.
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  • @poliincredible770
    @poliincredible7704 жыл бұрын

    God bless Dr. Stephen Meyer! May your work for the kingdom of Christ bear much fruit in bringing the scientific community to accept fact-based science.

  • @lourod9452
    @lourod94524 жыл бұрын

    God bless everyone

  • @AtamMardes

    @AtamMardes

    3 жыл бұрын

    But your so-called moral God is claimed to be time-less. Joseph was 90 & Marry was 12 when they got married. Mohamed was 53 & Aisha was 6 when they got marries. If it is immoral for a 90 or 53 years old man to marry an under age girl today, it must have been immoral back then too based on your moral time-less God. Do you still not see how people have made up God and religion?

  • @Michelle-sq6qi
    @Michelle-sq6qi4 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love and respect Dr Stephen Meyer and all the work he and his colleagues do at The Discovery Institute for intelligent design. Great listening to two people, Dr Meyer & Dr Turek who both simplify apologetics for me personally because of the excellent research you both do. My Christian walk is all the more stronger because of you guys. Thank you. God bless you both 🙏

  • @diycraftq8658
    @diycraftq86584 жыл бұрын

    I been waitn fer this two of my favorite men of faith lets get it on

  • @rightdoctrine3922

    @rightdoctrine3922

    4 жыл бұрын

    they disguise lies well for you, hey

  • @MultiBigAndy

    @MultiBigAndy

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rightdoctrine3922 How do you know that's true, buddy? 👀

  • @jackjones3657
    @jackjones36574 жыл бұрын

    The first thing that comes to mind when I hear a scientist say he/she is a "Theistic evolutionist" is their obvious desire to create God into their own image. They clearly don't accept God's biblical text as Truth.

  • @Kaymen1980

    @Kaymen1980

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why should they accept something as "truth" when it doesn't corospond with reality?

  • @goor1322

    @goor1322

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's called idolatry. And the word of God is consistent with reality. Evolution is not. So much so that it is beyond any reasonable doubt.

  • @Kaymen1980

    @Kaymen1980

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@goor1322 And the bible is not the word of a god. Its the words of a bunch of dudes, and its been edited by a bunch of dudes.

  • @steveparks2976
    @steveparks29764 жыл бұрын

    Jesus talked about Adam and so does Paul as if he is a real person, so he must have been a real person. One of the main teachings of Paul is that when we are saved, we are "in Christ" and the way he defines it is by contrasting it with being "in Adam" in Romans 5. So Genesis is an important book. Not to mention it kicks off the messianic prophecies that talk about Jesus (Genesis 3:15). God bless. 🙏🏼🙂

  • @ACyrrock004

    @ACyrrock004

    4 жыл бұрын

    Brotha, not everything int he Bible is literal, nor would have the people it was written to have understood it as literal. What matters is the Gospel. Did Jesus Christ (the Son of God) come in the flesh with the sole mission of becoming the sacrifice for humanity; by living a perfect life, dying on the cross and rising from the dead! I believe it!

  • @steveparks2976

    @steveparks2976

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ACyrrock004 not everything in the bible is literal? Genesis is literal and if people doubt the book of Genesis, then they will doubt other parts of the bible. Including the gospels and the NT.

  • @steveparks2976

    @steveparks2976

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ACyrrock004 every part of the bible is important and if mankind did not fall into sin (Genesis 3) then there would be no need for a Savior and a gospel. If God had not called Abraham (Genesis 12) then the Messiah would not have been born and fulfilled prophecy. You can do what you like, but all the bible is important and I take it literally.

  • @steveparks2976

    @steveparks2976

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Saint Knight that's pretty funny, actually.

  • @steveparks2976

    @steveparks2976

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Saint Knight No, it's much more than that. It's the history of creation. It's not the iliad or aesop's fables. It's the word of God.

  • @jvt_redbaronspeaks4831
    @jvt_redbaronspeaks48312 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for having Stephen Meyer on.

  • @efab6712
    @efab67124 жыл бұрын

    Excellent....next Doug Axe and James Tour please.

  • @malirk
    @malirk4 жыл бұрын

    Sy Garte would be a great person to speak to regarding this. He is a theist and also a researcher in Evolution. It's clear that you can be religious and understand the science that is Evolution.

  • @KnighteMinistriez
    @KnighteMinistriez4 жыл бұрын

    Good points and God bless. I love this podcast.

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    i bet you any amount of money you like that you can;t tell me the FUNDAMENTAL FLAW in meyers work. if you are a christian this should be a walk.

  • @kjustkses
    @kjustkses4 жыл бұрын

    The Orchid Mantis made me question Darwinian evolution. How did random mutations know to make it look like the flowers on which it lives?

  • @itsJPhere

    @itsJPhere

    4 жыл бұрын

    Probably because it has a good camouflage it was left alive to reproduce and there you have it. The mutations that happened in that species didn't have to know anything.

  • @itsJPhere

    @itsJPhere

    4 жыл бұрын

    @bob joss The Orchid Mantis is not a plant and different species can adapt differently...

  • @Bc232klm

    @Bc232klm

    4 жыл бұрын

    That should reaffirm your knowledge of evolution. Why would it look like that if there wasn't an evolutionary reason to?

  • @NoMementoMori

    @NoMementoMori

    4 жыл бұрын

    "I dont know how, so i just assume it cant be and believe in supernatural explanations so theres not contradiction even though its completly in contradiction with the cause-effect chain we observe in reality"

  • @NoMementoMori

    @NoMementoMori

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Nero IV If that is the case then any explanation prior to our universe, any fifth dimension outside of space-time and any cause to the universe is as valid as an explanation just as god. Its just dishonest to say that any of these explanations is just as religious, or saying that you cant know that is just as religious, as saying your personal version of god for sure is the cause of it. Because you are juggling with the definition of supernatural as in "outside the universe" with the one we would use in our everyday lifes "fairies and myths". However, since life emerged in this universe, that statement is even in itself wrong.

  • @lawrenceeason8007
    @lawrenceeason80074 жыл бұрын

    In the face of actual evidence, theism is being forced to construct a hybrid of the concept of a god and evolutionary science. We are getting closer and closer to the reality that a god isn't a viable prospect

  • @lawrenceeason8007

    @lawrenceeason8007

    4 жыл бұрын

    @G Will in all observations by us we see naturally occurring phenomena...never a "supernature". Science has been answering what was religious mysteries for a long time

  • @lawrenceeason8007

    @lawrenceeason8007

    4 жыл бұрын

    @G Will I am saying that god isn't a viable prospect until you can demonstrate it is a viable prospect. Nothing is viable absent of evidence

  • @derhafi

    @derhafi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well said! Over the last decades Christianity has gone from an active, to this defensive position out of pure desperation. Trying to underpin faith based believes in the supernatural by scientific methods can not be done in an honest way. This is Meyer’s job, this is all that the discovery institute does. It requires one to lie about, redefine and distort terms like “Rationality”, “Science”, “Scientific Consensus”, “Scientific Method “Evidence” and “Fact”. It further requires being ignorant of the staggering amount of evidence, which renders the supernatural as what it, is, wishful thinking. It depends on smears against the scientific community with false claims of its supposed autocratic nature.

  • @redeemingthetime5600
    @redeemingthetime56004 жыл бұрын

    DOES TRUTH EXIST? DOES GOD EXIST? IS THAT TRUEEEEE? THEYRE TALKED OUT OF IT! YOU KNOW WHY THEY'RE TALKED OUT OF IT, BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TALKED INTO IT!

  • @mylucidadventures6540

    @mylucidadventures6540

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nope they where talked into it, sadly you can be talked out of stuff that you where talked into... maybe it's for the better on some things

  • @rightdoctrine3922

    @rightdoctrine3922

    4 жыл бұрын

    and rhymes is always true, how they would rhyme otherwise, i figured this out a long time ago, myself, and all of this all by myself too, A-hem

  • @thecurlycatastrophe8427
    @thecurlycatastrophe84274 жыл бұрын

    You need to get Michael Jones of the channel 'Inspiring Philosophy' on your podcast!

  • @steveparks2976

    @steveparks2976

    4 жыл бұрын

    No, he doesn't.

  • @thecurlycatastrophe8427

    @thecurlycatastrophe8427

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@steveparks2976 Er, ok

  • @mylucidadventures6540

    @mylucidadventures6540

    4 жыл бұрын

    He won't do that, it isent good to show actually Christians who believe evolution is how God did it.

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    yes, the more two faced liars you can get hold of the better god will look.

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    @@thecurlycatastrophe8427 inspiring philosophy has ideas that aren't exactly in line with christianity, even atheists know that. why do religists think they know everything and and they think they can chime in with amazing insight? there are religists a who are crap at religion, you should know that, and who they are.

  • @jonahkane7027
    @jonahkane70274 жыл бұрын

    I believe in theistic evolution

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    you'd be wrong then.

  • @Dhorpatan
    @Dhorpatan4 жыл бұрын

    InspiringPhilosophy should be as excited for this video as I would for a video about Philosophy of Mind or Idealism. This is right up his "interest-alley".

  • @thegreatbehoover788

    @thegreatbehoover788

    4 жыл бұрын

    You never responded with EVIDENCE that is not some form of FAITH-BASED explanation of your silly natural selection fairy! I see you cannot refute the statement that: DNA CODE is the MOST SOPHISTICATED and COMPLEX and VOLUMINOUS CODE ever assembled! Yet, here you are AGAIN spouting your silly ASSUMPTIONS AND NONSENSE. No EVIDENCE for your BELIEFS...just ASSUMPTIONS. HAHAHAHA.

  • @Dhorpatan

    @Dhorpatan

    4 жыл бұрын

    Are you that person named Anthony Maurice, that I blocked off my channel for being hateful and abusive?

  • @thegreatbehoover788

    @thegreatbehoover788

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Dhorpatan No. I am the one who OWNS you on the SCIENCE. You PRETEND to understand what you merely have faith in. You have a poor memory...you are only here to bash religion. DNA CODE PROVES DESIGN. You cannot undo that fact. All the OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE of DNA supports DESIGN...not ACCIDENTALLY formed. If you have EVIDENCE that you FAILED to produce last time you ran away...by all means let's see it! HAHAHAHA! You don't...that is why you run away. No UNASSUMED OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for evolution ..all ASSUMED!

  • @Dhorpatan

    @Dhorpatan

    4 жыл бұрын

    So who are you? I don't recognize your screen name, yet you are talking like we've interacted before.

  • @thegreatbehoover788

    @thegreatbehoover788

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Dhorpatan DNA CODE is the MOST SOPHISTICATED and COMPLEX and VOLUMINOUS CODE ever assembled. Prove otherwise, or stop with your silly ASSUMPTIONS. DNA CODE is not just better CODE that Microsoft Windows, it makes it look silly in comparison. DNA 6is IMPOSSIBLE in a TRILLION UNIVERSES...STATISTICALLY. oh sorry, that was SUPPOSED to be TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS. Oops....trillions times trillions! Wait...that sounds like younsilly materialists invoked a MIRACLE, that's NOT SCIENCE!!! So now prove othwrwise....with OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE...not just your biased opinion, or other's biased opinions! Show us how DNA CODE came into being when the EVIDENCE shows it is IMPOSSIBLE. Show us all the OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE pointing to the EVOLUTIONARY PATH that was taken to form DNA CODE...the path that DOESN'T INCLUDE BLIND FAITH! Please explain to us why the largest DNA study ever... found out that natural selection is not OCCURRING at all! Why does it show all life to be THOUSANDS of years old...not MILLIONS as ASSUMED by a bogus dating method. Why no speciation? Why no evolution in the MITOCHONDRIAL DNA? Why would the authors try to discredit their own TAXPAYER FUNDED RESEARCH by LYING about MITOCHONDRIAL DNA? Why did they use it if it hadn't already been PROVEN the BEST SPECIES IDENTIFIER? Please share with us WHY? HAHAHAHA! And do all this by using no WILD SPECULATION, ASSUMPTIONS, OR PRESUMPTIONS. Go ahead...use OBSERVATIONAL SCIENCE to back your silly position. Go ahead....or cower away again. You're Behooved! I welcome ALL your relevant OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE. I REJECT all your fantasies and opinions and FAITH about the natural selection fairy and evolution.

  • @japexican007
    @japexican0074 жыл бұрын

    A discussion with an atheist: Atheist: So you believe in dragons, world floods, talking snakes, magical trees and giants? Me: What’s the alternative? Wait so you believe in naturalism, the absurd rationale that if you stare at atoms long enough they’ll become life? So why don’t you believe in more outrageous things than I? if that’s the case then anything can form life since everything is made up of atoms, even water itself, how insane is that? There is no limit to possibilities in your worldview, anything random can come about by random chance at any point in time. so basically all of what you've said can randomly come about through the atheistic worldview except if it did it'd all be pointless because a world derived from random chance is pointless, what a ludicrous belief system to have, i'd hate to be such an atheist

  • @evidencebasedfaith6658

    @evidencebasedfaith6658

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's a good way of putting it.

  • @electricspark5271

    @electricspark5271

    4 жыл бұрын

    *Evolution demands a burden of proof!* *Surely, 1 person has witnessed evolution happen with their own two eyes?* *Who? Whats their name? Where is the evidence they witnessed? Do we have comparable past data to validate the claims they witnessed?* Atheists demand visual evidence of the Christian God. Christians demand visual evidence of Evolution occurring. Otherwise we are dealing with the *"blind faith"* argument correct? According to *Evolutionary Biologists* it takes a minimum of *1 million years* for evolutionary change to occur. Surely, that's long enough to produce a witness! Evolution is taught in school from grades K - College. Yet, nobody has ever witnessed it happen? Seems like *blind faith* to me! *Why can't intelligent design be taught on the same premise as atheists teach evolution?* Why can't the *observed* information be presented and allow the students to decide it's *origins* for themselves?

  • @evidencebasedfaith6658

    @evidencebasedfaith6658

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@electricspark5271 But is speciation considered evolution?

  • @japexican007

    @japexican007

    4 жыл бұрын

    Evidence Based Faith i would say micro not macro

  • @japexican007

    @japexican007

    4 жыл бұрын

    Evidence Based Faith i would say micro not macro

  • @zeddicuszorrander3599
    @zeddicuszorrander35993 жыл бұрын

    Theistic evolution is so weird. All you're doing is saying" A God did it." That's all. It doesn't provide any substance to the discussion.

  • @ozowen

    @ozowen

    3 ай бұрын

    So?

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    ​@@ozowen try making aspirin using "god did it" as a starting point. science doesn't answer a lot of questions, but god answers none of them, god is just a place holder and it has spent 2000 years answering - what - you tell me, how many christians have answers to their questions. for a personal god this guy leaves his believers swinging in the wind, he doesn't seem to care that they have no answers that they are taking all kinds of crap for no reward. science is solving our problems, how many diseases has science cured? god does them ONE PERSON at a time, if you are chosen. how can you believe a god like this is to be worshiped, never mind is real.????

  • @lawrenceeason8007
    @lawrenceeason80074 жыл бұрын

    How did god communicate his word/will to people before the bible? If god communicated directly to people...his will...then: 1. There are billions of people today who don't believe in this religion. God is not contacting these people directly. If it did, they would believe that God. 2. I know that in my 61 years, 50 of them as a believer, I was never contacted or communicated by a god 3. Today you need to seek god, seek and ye shall find, in order to find god according to the scriptures. But people have scriptures for instruction today. So, there weren't scriptures before the bible. So god communicated directly before the bible? If that is the case, those before the bible had a massive advantage...they had a direct encounter with god! Why can't people get that today? So all we get today is an old book? And we are expected to believe this book at the point of death (hell)? Something fishy here. Another big problem is that polytheism is much older than monotheism and the biblical religion. So if this god were communicating with everybody then why were religions polytheistic? Doesn't make any sense.

  • @gaborjuracsik4847

    @gaborjuracsik4847

    4 жыл бұрын

    As if you were not writing about the video. Anyway, your questions are simple and I like to pretend to be smart. 1. If you spoke directly to people, you would not believe in God freely. Either free will or divine speech, the answer you want, but if you choose the speech, God would not be good. 2. I do not want to go into the reasons why he did not speak to you, but rather why he did not speak to me. If I'm honest with myself then the answer is simple, I don't need it. In any case, "whoever is looking will find". 3. Actually there are two, the Bible and the world. You prove the Bible with the world and the world with the Bible. If you do it well, both point to God. It is not that God's direct communication is so clear (except the prophets, for example). This is not in the Bible, nor is it a clear benefit. You do not become a true Christian by hearing the word. Even fallen angels know God but do not accept His power. Only polytheism took precedence over evolutionary understanding of history over monotheism. Do you want to practically incorporate atheism into theism? Will not succeed.

  • @lawrenceeason8007

    @lawrenceeason8007

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@gaborjuracsik4847 1. What do you mean you wouldn't believe "Freely"? Why does this god have to play hide and go seek? If you are threatening people to obey at the point of death/torment, then you ought to at least reveal yourself and communicate directly. That would be the moral thing to do 2. Yeah I think that the fact that there was no communication is a testament against the idea that there is a god that is actually real 3. The bible proves that people wrote these books that comprise the bible. The world proves the world. I don't see evidence beyond that Yeah I still see a problem here. Doesn't make sense to me. The question is, how did people get the will/word of god before the bible?

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    @@gaborjuracsik4847 i guess it will be just you and god in heaven eh, cos no one else is a true christian> you make me want to puke.

  • @jeffreycavanaugh840
    @jeffreycavanaugh8403 жыл бұрын

    TO BAD HE DISMISSIS GODS WORD AND GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND ALL LIVING THINGS BIT HE IS HALFWAY THERE GOD HELP HIM

  • @rlittlefield2691
    @rlittlefield26914 жыл бұрын

    I love Frank but... What might not be known is that St. Augustine back in about 400 AD translated Genesis into Latin and came to the conclusion that the Bible was saying that God used evolution to create life. Because of that, for hundreds of years, people who did not like Christianity tried to disprove evolution. The reason we do not get that is that it is using idioms. The word Day here does not mean 24 hours, it means period of time. It is translated day to conform with "In seven days God created the Earth." See in our DAY we can use the word DAY in exactly the same way that they did in Adam's DAY. I just used the word DAY three times and it did not mean 24 hours. The fact is we do not see evolution in the fossil record, and we as Christians fall on our face because we do not understand the correct translation of our Bible. The evidence shows the Earth is between 50 to 250 thousand years old. Based on the evidence the evolutionists fail, but then so do the Christians based on an error in our translation. .

  • @wahrheitsliebender
    @wahrheitsliebender4 жыл бұрын

    Frank, get realistic now, wee Need your talks / lectures in German now! When will you do this? Greetings from Germany.

  • @derhafi

    @derhafi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Um diesen mittelalterlichen Unsinn auch in Deutschland zu verbreiten?

  • @Novak2611
    @Novak26114 жыл бұрын

    Bohr told Einstein: stop telling God what to do. I say to you: stop telling God how to create.

  • @mikeramos91
    @mikeramos914 жыл бұрын

    Those who are theistic evolution you need to wake up! You are mixing a lie with God’s word!

  • @mikeramos91

    @mikeramos91

    4 жыл бұрын

    G Will God most certainly did not use the “Darwinian” evolution. It is unreasonable to plug that evolution into God’s creation when God specifically did things that contradict it!

  • @Dhorpatan

    @Dhorpatan

    4 жыл бұрын

    @G Will Do you realize you're arguing with someone who is so irrational and brainwashed by Christian nonsense, that they are in the 21st century believing that the Earth is flat?

  • @Dhorpatan

    @Dhorpatan

    4 жыл бұрын

    @G Will Why is Atheism worthy of contempt? Even though you clearly didn't say Atheism, you said New Atheism.

  • @jacob.tudragens
    @jacob.tudragens21 күн бұрын

    My God was very specific as to how everything came about. A simple and direct reading of Genesis 1-11 as history denies that any form of 'evolution' was used to create everything that we see around us. Theistic evolution is a lie from the pit of Hell and calls God a liar! But, hey, it's just your final destination at stake!

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    is god talking directly to you? can you ask him how to get cold fusion working, cos that would be really good. except, i think you are a liar, god doesn't give a toss about you any more than he doe me, cos he is imaginary - and you are talking bollocks. if you aren't it should be easy to show i am wrong, get god to tell you how to get cold fusion working, a benefit to man. but you won't, there is no god.

  • @HarryNicNicholas

    @HarryNicNicholas

    19 күн бұрын

    "I am the patriarch in exile. I am the last of my tribe. I have no friends I have no family. I do, however, identify as having children. Let me be clear. I am Trans-parent! My pronouns are what/when/where I know. I'm questionable. You can see right through me!" you're on the wrong side by the looks of it matey.

  • @jacob.tudragens

    @jacob.tudragens

    19 күн бұрын

    @HarryNicNicholas So you have my profile, and while I am not an award winning studio like you claim to be, I likely have a have a higher IQ. What are you proving here? That you can read? I'm sure mommy's proud of you!

  • @jacob.tudragens

    @jacob.tudragens

    19 күн бұрын

    @@HarryNicNicholas Oh! I get it! You have no sense of humor!

  • @lawrenceeason8007
    @lawrenceeason80074 жыл бұрын

    Question for theists: 1. How did god communicate his will/word before the bible?

  • @RussianBot4Christ

    @RussianBot4Christ

    4 жыл бұрын

    He always ultimately communicates with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, with or without the Bible. In other words, to know God completely, and know pure, loving truth, you must have God live through your mind.

  • @lawrenceeason8007

    @lawrenceeason8007

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RussianBot4Christ okay, just a second, so how did people who had no access to the written word even know there was an abrahamic god? Polytheism was before the god of the bible. Are you saying that this god made direct contact with people?

  • @RussianBot4Christ

    @RussianBot4Christ

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@lawrenceeason8007 Yes, that is what I'm saying. God made direct contact with people and continues to do so till this day. There are two dimensions this happens in: in the physical reality, and through the Spiritual reality.

  • @lawrenceeason8007

    @lawrenceeason8007

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RussianBot4Christ just a second. Several problems with this: 1. There are billions of people today who don't believe in your religion. God is not contacting these people directly. If it did, they would believe that God. 2. I know that in my 61 years, 50 of them as a believer, I was never contacted or communicated by a god 3. Today you need to seek god, seek and ye shall find, in order to find god according to the scriptures. But people have scriptures for instruction today. So, there weren't scriptures before the bible. You say god communicated directly before the bible. If that is the case, those before the bible had a massive advantage...they had a direct encounter with god! Why can't people get that today? So all we get today is an old book? And we are expected to believe this book at the point of death (hell)? Something fishy here. Another big problem is that polytheism is much older than monotheism and the biblical religion. So if this god were communicating with everybody then why were religions polytheistic? Doesn't make any sense.

  • @thegreatbehoover788

    @thegreatbehoover788

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@lawrenceeason8007 C'mon you were NEVER a true BELIEVER. True BELIEVERS ar REQUIRED to die to self...not keep a little bit alive for later resuscitation. I did the same thing silly boy! You hate God for not allowing you to be in charge. You hate that He doesn't act like YOU THINK He should act. You IGNORE and REJECT all communications that doesn't include verbal. That's not believing. That's testing. Nice try.

  • @WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou
    @WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou4 жыл бұрын

    Why wouldn’t you have an actual evolutionist come on the podcast so you could have someone defend it instead of straw man? 🤔

  • @RussianBot4Christ

    @RussianBot4Christ

    4 жыл бұрын

    You can look at Stephen's debates with evolutionists. You can look at Turks debates with athiests. I'm sorry dude, but if you want the truth, you certainly seem lazy in doing any searching yourself.

  • @WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

    @WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nothaf yes, I have done both. That is irrelevant, though. both of them have been in the field way too long to be straw-manning the evolutionist argument.

  • @WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

    @WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

    4 жыл бұрын

    Root 66 They act like the current evolutionary model is only neo-Darwinian and rarely, if at all,discuss the current scientific evidence on Evo-devo, self-assembly, stress-directed mutations, or natural genetic engineering.

  • @alantinoalantonio

    @alantinoalantonio

    4 жыл бұрын

    * Zoologist not evolutionist.

  • @akimoetam1282
    @akimoetam12823 жыл бұрын

    Meyer has the most uncomfortable face on the planet

  • @ACyrrock004
    @ACyrrock0044 жыл бұрын

    I'm a STRONG proponent of Theistic Evolution.

  • @mikeramos91

    @mikeramos91

    4 жыл бұрын

    A Cyr and how did you come to that conclusion?

  • @mylucidadventures6540

    @mylucidadventures6540

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mikeramos91 simple he decided he wasn't just a proponent of theistic evolution, but a strong proponent.

  • @Cbrenenstahl

    @Cbrenenstahl

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mylucidadventures6540 lol

  • @mikeramos91

    @mikeramos91

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jesus Saves12321 ok quit being smart. I was legit asking why he stands on the position of theistic evolution because I don’t see that as a possible conclusion.

  • @mylucidadventures6540

    @mylucidadventures6540

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mikeramos91 i know what you where asking, ever herd of the fossil record? i dont his reasons but i see a lot of evidence for evolution and if we want to limit god and say he cant do it through evolution then it would seem more likely that god dosent exist since theres way more evidence for evolution.

  • @Dhorpatan
    @Dhorpatan4 жыл бұрын

    LOL! InspiringPhilosohy/Michael Jones was just talking about this on his Facebook profile. I wonder if he will comment on this and ask for a debate with Stephen Meyer? of course that would almost certainly be futile because neither Stephen Meyer nor Frank Turek appears to give a rat's behind what is said on this video's comment section.

  • @thegreatbehoover788

    @thegreatbehoover788

    4 жыл бұрын

    Inspiring to someone emotionally needy for a Godless universe...you know, inspiring for you silly God Haters, you non-thinkers. HAHAHAHA. Respond to my statements and stop running away. Silly eclectic!

  • @Dhorpatan

    @Dhorpatan

    4 жыл бұрын

    So who are you? I don't recognize your screen name, yet you are talking like we've interacted before.

  • @thegreatbehoover788

    @thegreatbehoover788

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Dhorpatan Look at what I am saying. You've said NOTHING supporting your BLIND FAITH in evolution and you ran away from our last conversation which is no different from this one...namely that DNA CODE PROVES INTELLIGENT DESIGN behind hat makes Microsoft Windows look like child's play comparatively. Bill Gates said "DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created." Gee I wonder why silly eclectic BELIEVES Bill Gates is wrong about what he said???? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... BIASED MUCH? HAHAHAHA!!! Btw...What I say or refuse to say is important...not who I am. That's why you look like a fool...it is WHAT you say and refuse to answer honestly. Notice that you silly materialists ALWAYS run from facts.

  • @defiance1790
    @defiance17904 жыл бұрын

    The universe was created in 6 days and has only been around for about 6 thousand years... “change my mind”

  • @mylucidadventures6540

    @mylucidadventures6540

    4 жыл бұрын

    The 2 genesis accounts are allegory, which one was created first man, or beast? Man or plants?

  • @defiance1790

    @defiance1790

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jesus Saves12321 or perhaps God can actually do exactly what the Bible tells us He did, while having other purposes and meanings behind it... or do think that is to complicated for God to do? Read the days of creation in Genesis, it tells you what came first.

  • @mylucidadventures6540

    @mylucidadventures6540

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@defiance1790 yep it does and there's two conflicting accounts of what came first, I don't think anything is impossible for God, but genesis is allegory.

  • @defiance1790

    @defiance1790

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jesus Saves12321 where is the conflicting account?

  • @japexican007

    @japexican007

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mylucidadventures6540 if you are a man of God then you'd know there's no conflict with what you've brought up, you're either reading the text carnally or you're applying your own assumptions, it's very clear what the text says.

  • @Bc232klm
    @Bc232klm4 жыл бұрын

    Evolution is simply the way we describe the diversity of life. Surely you meant to discuss abiogenesis?

  • @Kaymen1980

    @Kaymen1980

    4 жыл бұрын

    They think it's the same

  • @goor1322

    @goor1322

    4 жыл бұрын

    Some people here in this thread were not paying attention.... Not surprising.

  • @Kaymen1980

    @Kaymen1980

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@goor1322 I haven't even watched the podcast 🤷‍♂️

  • @jacob.tudragens

    @jacob.tudragens

    21 күн бұрын

    ​@@Kaymen1980 That's so you can legitimately say you have not seen any evidence!

  • @Kaymen1980

    @Kaymen1980

    21 күн бұрын

    @@jacob.tudragens ... Seen any evidence for what..?