Great video!!!. I wrote my disassociation letter in January. I been around this organization for 8yrs but baptized for 2yrs. When my wife left me the only encouragement i received was to stay busy in field service. I was miserable. I never received a shepherding call from any elders for any encouragement. My feelings started to change about this organization. I question the elders about the founder of the Watchtower. A elder told me people are not perfect and Jehovah is refining the organization. I did research and I could hardly believe what I found. Now I know why the society don't want any Witnesses to search the internet. I was told by my wife who faded away that I was crazy for leaving Jehovah. This organization really teaches you to be judgemental and will leave you confused about religion. Fortunate, I don't have any close relative in this organization. I put much thought into my disassociation. It was difficult at first. After I shed a couple of tears I was ok. This organization is most definitely a cult. J.T. and Lady C along with Raymond Franz gave me more encouragement to leave this cult. I felt lost when I walked in a christian book store. I begin to shed tears. I like gospel music so I bought me a Fred Hammond c.d. and got my praise on

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Everette!

@suejoyful5576

6 жыл бұрын

Why did your wife left you? And is she a JW?

@RayRay-ch9vc

6 жыл бұрын

Sue joyful her own desires

@27suissemocha

6 жыл бұрын

Everette Ray I went through pretty much the same thing you went through. I go to a Pentecostal church now and they reached out to me way more than the witnesses did when I was missing from church services. Not only did the pastor and his wife offer me assistance but the members did too.

@janetreece475

6 жыл бұрын

In 30 years I received one shepherding call. when they don't want to do something ,they will tell you that no ones perfect or wait on Jehovah. some of them are mean spirited. I have seen members go crazy at the hall. they don't care what happens to you as long as you sell books .it destroys the mind, they want all your time . I made one friend in 30 years .its lonely and self defeating to be with them all the time. I hurt myself in many ways dealing with them. they are also selfish and greedy .members are killing themselves right and left but they don't care .brothers throw themselves out of windows at bethel, so sad.

That’s exactly what happened to me. I left in 1992 and didn’t wake up until the spring of 2016. I guess I was blessed. I was working on a federal job before I faded. I faded and moved away.

@padussia

6 жыл бұрын

Ana Korban I left doing the summer convention in 2016. I never got baptized, thank God. But I left due to the apocracy of one of the sisters that I was studying with. That Fallout help me to wake up.

Enjoyed Pat's vibrant and exuberant spirit and attitude. And excellent navigational advice for direction! I'm a PIMO not going to meetings hardly any more since the May 2017 convention because it's conscientiously dishonest, morally dishonest, informationally dishonest and intellectually dishonest after learning of the pervasive child sex abuse problem in JW, the UN affiliation, stocks owned by watchtower in war manufacturer companies, a TV purveyor of softcore porn & violence and a well-known cigarette company, Rutherford's Beth Sarim & Beth Shan, and the blood and DF'ing/shunning policy flip-flops among other issues. It just makes little sense to go and becomes a waste of time because of the "hidden" yet blatant duplicity. So as someone comparably brand new to all of this, waking up in May 2017, getting busy doing the things Pat mentioned to occupy our minds like exercising more, setting new goals, and not to become overly obsessed with the past as she mentioned about the feelings of anger, betrayal and time lost and wasted. Pat sounds like someone any of us could sit down with for hours of relaxing, decompressed conversation and wonderful, intelligent discussion. I'm so sorry to hear Pat's and other ex-JW family shun simply just for changing beliefs and expressing a change in beliefs verbally or on a sheet of paper. More and more I see the narrative that the organization paints of "apostates" is way off kilter with fallacious claims they're leading an immoral life, on drugs, drunk, leading lives of dependency is some kind of destructive way. That's 180 degrees polar opposite of reality as Pat, Lady Cee, JT and so many others walking the walk by lifestyle demonstration. It is doable to move forward being unobsessive about what's lost and not to be embittered. Great interview! Best, Dave in Wisconsin

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Dave!!!

@southernbawselady7092

6 жыл бұрын

BodybuildingPassion Wick - Amen, I agree!! 💯

Hi from suffolk uk. Thanks for sharing this info. Its a great thing you do to help people escape from that awful cult. 💝

@SisterSophistry

6 жыл бұрын

jenny luvaglia HI 👋🏻 fellow uk ex-jW here. I am in Sussex. Have u heard about the UK protest?

@SisterSophistry

6 жыл бұрын

If you are interested here is the link to the first weekend event facebook.com/events/578014519212223??ti=ia

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

❤️ ya Lady Cee! & Pat! Thank you so much for sharing! God Bless!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Daniel - My pleasure

Really good video, I left in the 80's and was so isolated for many years. I only just discovered the exjw Community about a year ago, and they have been so much help to me even now. ❤

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Same here - It never occurred to me to search Facebook groups for other Ex-JWs. I only connected with them last year! It's wonderful to talk with others who have experienced that cult the same way I have and can relate to what I've been through.

Wow,Lady C,thanks for introducing us to Pat. She seems like someone anyone would like to know, she's articulate,pretty,smart and very compelling! It was a pleasure listening to her

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

OMG - Thanks Rosa!

You got fortunate to see your mother. Others that got shunned did not. Happy for you!!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sue - I was lucky in that I did get to say goodbye to her.

Currently watching this while on my way to service. 😂😂😂😂

@padussia

6 жыл бұрын

jbone2345 😁😁😁

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@davidwicklin9943

6 жыл бұрын

jbone2345 This is GREAT to play for Witnesses standing at Carts or Doors! Replaces the void for Yearbook Experiences!!😂😂😂🤣

@mackiepimo-jwjones3019

6 жыл бұрын

Been there. I'm physically in mentally out as well.

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

So you're PIMO ? Family? They're usually the reason people stay.

A another excellent video. Excellent points. I can relate to her. I left the wrong way the first time. I was not raised a witness. I left angry and joined the army. I now am in the process of healing. I left in 1995 felt guilty and got restated in 2013. I did not get the proper help after leaving. I left last year for good this time. Your videos are a big help for me. I also really enjoyed the videos made by Daniel I was so happy when I saw him on your video. Thanks for becoming my friend on Facebook. I now have made friends with you and your husband. I now am reading the Crisis of a Conscience. I found a audio version on KZread that I am listening to. I think it's wrong to shunn anyone.

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Diana, thanks for the feedback and also providing some background on yourself. Yes, it's good connecting with you on Facebook as well. We appreciate being able to help in any way possible. We receive so many emails and comments on our KZread channel about how our videos are helping. Wish we had KZread prior to our departure. It was really a rough time for us. But, we had each other and it made it all the more better. I don't know what it would be like being ALL alone and still believing this is the truth. The Internet is definitely the best thing that ever happened to exjw's and the WORST thing that happened to Watchtower. Payback is a real you know what, right? LOL

@Diana-rg7gk

6 жыл бұрын

ExJW Critical Thinker thanks for taking the time to read my comment. Your the first channel that has responded back to me. Thanks so much much. I love you because it's full of positive.

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

Audio version on You Tube !! Great !! I will try to find. Thank you

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Hello Diana - Thank you for your comment. Your experience is another reason why I did this video: Watchtower wants ex-members to feel some type of negative emotion whether it's guilt, isolation/lonely, fear, etc. After a while it can become overwhelming. Sometimes if they don't get proper assistance, ex-members will go back to the cult, join another even worse cult, be depressed, commit suicide, etc. This is why I highly recommend therapy with a therapist who specializes in cults and connecting with other ex-members, etc.

Well done Pat on your journey. Amazon was an amazing tool of another Christian I was debating alongside on a bible debate forum. I mentioned a book called Making Your Family Life Happy (1978) that was used on me by my husband and I referred to the page number when speaking to a current JW who didn't believe it was from Watchtower and I must be lying. This other person put a link in to the book on Amazon where you could view it and people could see the subsection I was talking about. The only way Watchtower can cover their tracks is by buying up all their old publications and destroying them. That could add to all the costs they already have with all these lawsuits going on for covering up paedophilia.

@MelissaBrownapt215

6 жыл бұрын

Witnesses are skittish. Crashing the hall just affirms their persecution complex, but hey, do you. They hated me enough already, don't want to we the mugs.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Pink Fuschia!! I remember that book.

Grew up as a jw as soon as I turned into in adult I took my own path.

Great guest Lady C. As a born in I didn’t have a chance in hell after I left. Never had to make my own friends or tell myself what to do 3 days a week. Therapy was a life saver literally. If u are a born in with few supports do not wait to get professional help. I strongly suggest u get the help before u leave. So important

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joyce; appreciate your feedback!!!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Joyce - I appreciate it. Thank you for echoing my point about therapy and seeking mental health services.

@wookiedude21

6 жыл бұрын

Been debating whether to get help recently, thank you for your input!

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

If you NEED to talk to someone. If you have a personal physician, ask him or her if you can see someone and explain why you NEED to talk to a professional. If you can't afford that, there are PASSELS of Ex JW communities all over the place now. Here, on facebook, Twitter, etc... I've never been a JW. I've been trying to share the REAL Jesus with them and I NEVER imagined it would be as hard as it turned out to be. The conditioning goes DEEP and only another ex JW would understand the extent of all you've been through. Or, if possible, a therapist. Best case scenario...both.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Luke - With therapy be careful to choose a therapist that specializes in cults if possible. There are therapists who don't consider JWs a cult (they seem so nice and pleasant to outsiders). It helped to have a professional answer my questions - Why are people drawn to cults was a big one for me. I guess I needed confirmation that I wasn't a complete dummy for staying long when I knew I was miserable.

I was involved for almost all my life as my mom was baptized when I was 2 years old. Went all the way up to being a ministerial servant. I was lucky to already have friends outside the hall when I left after almost 30 years. Therapy is key as I started the beginning of the year and it has been key to my mental health. This video is soooo right and I recommend anyone seeing a professional. My days are getting better little by little....

Another insightful video Lady Cee👍 Pat you gave a heartfelt, brave experience❤ Wishing you ALL the Best✨

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Annette!!

Thank you both for doing this for the community!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jen

Great video and info Lady Cee and Pat. 😊❤

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

I love to hear the ex jw women speak so eloquently! Well done on getting out Pat 🌸

That's a great point, start making friends outside immediately.

@CS-np2oo

6 жыл бұрын

Matilda I found people to be very warm and inviting. Always blew off coworkers. I work at an airline. People would say hey...a bunch of us are going to a game out of town or pooling our money together....going to China or somewhere you may never know you'd get a chance to visit again. And I always told them no. I have meetings. I have to go to an assembly/convention. I turned down chances to really make good friends. But the ironic thing is you didn't always get invites like this from people at the hall. I gave so many tickets to brothers I knew to come and go from Bethel. Never asked for a time. Took a brother and his family to Hawaii. They invited a group of friends to their house to see all the slides and pictures of our trips. To this day I've never seen any of that. My mom was a single mom. No one really got to know her or tried. But we were the poster children for the single sister with a son who was just....a publisher.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matilda! If a JW who is planning to leave starts making friends with non-JWs before leaving, then the impact of the shunning/isolation is decreased. Of course it will still hurt not to have contact with family, but having other friends helps the exJW cope.

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

Pat, that's right, and it's different if you don't have any family in, like me !! WT has no collateral over me !! Even so, I deeply want to help people leave. But it's still life changing to realize you've been scammed.

Yeah I didn't do that whole thinking anything through but I did ok. I also didn't think through making this channel but hopefully it all works out! Keep up the great work!

I went to this meetup, it was an amazing, eye-opening and fun experience! About 15 ex-JW's came​ who all were so warm and inviting. Literally the opposite of what the JW's will offer you. This will be a monthly meetup, the next one will be some evening around April 21st. Please come if you are ex JW, you will not regret it.

Thanks for this video! Important information and excellent advice was given!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Herman!

Definitely make friends. The 1st year or two after I left I was bored as hell. Work and home. Work and home. I never wanted to go back because I enjoyed NOT having rush home after work and rush to a meeting. I didn't plan to leave. I just got lucky moving to a foreign language hall and fading. . None of the elders every spoke with me or cared who I was. So when I stopped going all together.... I never heard from anyone until this day. In the English speaking hall they would have been checking on me non stop. In the Spanish hall....it was so large unless you were super spiritual I don't think the brothers cared about the others. Very few people made attempts to find out who I was, though at the time my Spanish was pretty good. I certainly didn't feel much love at the last two halls I was in. Some halls are so cold fading is easy in my opinion. Brothers/sisters can you see you every meeting and not say two words to you. Then see you at work and wonder what's wrong. Maaaaaaan. My coworkers talk to me more than people at the hall. And they could care less what I believe in. They don't set conditions on me. JW rationale.......we don't make you feel part of the hall.....but don't do anything with people outside the hall. As far as family..,same thing. My cousins and uncles...my mom always said...don't give them your number. Don't talk to them. And I havent. Only limited contact. So basically my family whom I was once close to....may as well be complete strangers. Attempting to talk to or contact would be weird. I mean lije a asking a complete stranger for a favor things shouldnt be like thst. Like you have no friends,no family because you've shut people out of your life due to teaching from the Governing body.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

It was weird for me at first too to contact cousins I hadn't spoken to in years - But I did and it felt great!!! I'm so glad I did. It was hard, but well worth it.

@andejode

5 жыл бұрын

So sad, so true. I too remember cold congregations. Please don't let your head hang down, they are not worth it

I always had non JW friends and I didn't discard them at any time. This one JW woman tries to "run my life" but I won't let her. She is always wanting to know where I am going, when I am coming back home, etc. I work through the week and on weekends, it's household chores and sometimes I will ride out to a mall or to a movie and/or dinner. Since it's been cold and my state has a high rate of flu, I keep to myself and do a lot of reading and relaxing. I take time to call my non JW friends and feel good to talk to them.

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

You GO, GIRL!!! Bravo!!!! Why do I get the feeling you also didn't sign your blood card. Way to use those "Little grey cells" and be your own person! You rock! If you aren't already out of the ORG, the transition will be SOO much easier for you because you have a built in support system! As for the weather.... it was enough to make me wish I was retired. I just wanted to hibernate the winter away. Thank heaven it's nearly over!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

My mom kept close tabs on who we were hanging out with - Like I said, even our relatives were kept at arms distance. The JWs just want to make you socially dependent on them - and you preventing that was damn clever!

@vitajay85

6 жыл бұрын

You're right.... I never signed the blood card!

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

BRAVO! Way to take control of your life!

@vernellgreen4588

6 жыл бұрын

LOL, I'm not signing anything that might cause my death!!!! I never would have, and it's a ridiculous reason that they want you too anyway. And I'd have had hospital security run them off.

MY PEOPLE!!! I Love It!!!!

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jay!!!!! And Thanks for your contribution at the end of the video too!!!

@JayTheComedian

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I saw that!!! Lol 😂 love it!!! Thanks for the opportunity and btw this is yet another amazing video!!! 👍🏽👌🏽

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jay!

@JayTheComedian

6 жыл бұрын

Pat Warmack no problem

Great Video Lady C...This is really timely information. When trying to leave the Watchtower it is best to be strategic about leaving, This video suggested strategies that someone newly leaving might not consider! Pat is a sister like me, we both enjoyed politics at a early age, but being a JW having a career in politics/activist/public servant was really out of the question. But of course that changed for me, as a ran for public office and now hold the title of Aldermen.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Way cool!!! Thanks Bonny!!

Yes, definitely speak to an experienced therapist particularly if you were raised as a JW. A book alone on how to leave cults won’t erase childhood indoctrination. I can’t believe how much of my life was affected by this upbringing including communication, relationships, decision making, understanding concepts, emotional reactions and on and on. Hope she runs for office one day!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

So very true!!

I disappeared into the sunset back in the 90's and it's so nice and bright...I love your point about making real friends outside of the JW Cult. That will make the transition so much easier.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you CentsMy10!

I can totally relate to the weirdness with family members, they have a life and a whole history that has been missed out on. Hope you meet up is a great success!

How refreshing! I got a feeling more people will leave the Watchtower

@MelissaBrownapt215

6 жыл бұрын

Terry Power Suckers are born every minute. And they package the truth like a Christmas gift.

@terrypower3245

6 жыл бұрын

Apt215 Melissa Brown And what is your point exactly?

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Problem for Watchtower and many of these other cults is the internet was invented followed by Google.

@terrypower3245

6 жыл бұрын

Pat Warmack Yes the internet exposes these cults. These videos are heat breaking to watch. I just thank God every day that I was not raised in this cult

@mackiepimo-jwjones3019

6 жыл бұрын

Let's hope so!

It's a pleasant oddity that Pat's mom was so strict and yet didn't shun her when she left. That's GOOD! A genuine blessing.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Hello Fuzzy, She did shun me - I did get to say goodbye to her at the very end of her life but before that she did shun me.

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

Ooops. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I was multi-tasking so I wasn't paying proper attention. In any case, that's lousy. As per usual, WT mangled scripture to their bizarre purpose and lives get ruined. Well, for whatever it's worthy, I'm glad you're getting on with your life in a positive way. Take those classes! Learn to dance! Go bowling with co-workers. ENJOY!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

No worries about the misunderstanding. My mom had the book study in her home from the moment she was baptized in the mid 1970s, and meetings for field service as well. She was not about to jeopardize losing that privilege just so she could keep company with me.

Very nice interview,thank You.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kaz! I appreciate it!

Interesting. Not EVERYONE willingly receives a person who once rejected them. My family, as small as it is (2 people) accepted me and one congratulated me and gave me a generous Christmas gift, something she hadnt even some before I joined the faith. We still don't communicate regularly, but I happily out her name as contact on my bank account in my mother'a former place. It has been empty for a couple of years. Also, poor and working class, uneducated folks might regard a religious dissenter as a "backslider." They probably think of Witnesses as DEEP Christians compared to many other faith traditions that permit fornication, gang membership, profanity, smoking, etc. They might think you've "gone bad" and now you need them. They lack the knowledge and insight of more open-minded folks. Most of my neighbors don't get the big deal about leaving WT, only 2 - an ex and one whose friend has been hinting at ending their 40 plus year friendship.

Excellent advice!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Zoeyhillion

This was an excellent interview! Very informative, inspiring, encouraging, and fortifying. Definitely what I needed. Thank you very much to Pat for sharing your story and your insight and much thanks to Lady Cee for conducting this interview.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate it so much!

Everyone SHOULD be crashing memorials on the evening of March 31st, imo.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

You couldn't pay me to go to a memorial to crash it or attend it. I'm hosting an Ex-JW meet-up on that day. I may make it an annual event.

Well I have two things in common with Pat - woke last year in March and was in for 22 years as well !!!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matilda - I had been watching the Aftermath show last year and was referred to a You Tube video. After I watched the video I saw these listings of other videos I might want to check out - all JW videos. I clicked on one, and another, and another and another - and that's how I found out the real deal about Watchtower. All that time I'd been out, and was just now learning how much of sham this cult is.

The XJWS community on the KZread channel is my therapy, great help from all of you guys.

Really enjoyed this interview with Pat, she gave some great tips about what to do prior to leaving. Thanks :-)

Wish I had done some better planning too.

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

Grand Master Maximillan so many of us can say the same thing BUT. Now we can share our exp and help others. Feel free to share what you can to help others. This is how we will all make it

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Grand Master so many of us don't realize that Watchtower sets us up to stay in the group. So many of us don't actually plan to leave. We underestimate the impact of being part of a cult.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Yep - It's why I wanted to make the video. I wish there were someone waiting for me on the outside to help guide me and help me transition into the world after living in a bubble since age 6. Also, I find it helpful when I know what to expect - I can mentally prepare myself.

@mauriciaannatkins

6 жыл бұрын

I would say to get engrossed in self. Find your passion and live it. As jws we were always warned against self so that is the first direction we should run upon leaving.

Great video, Lady C. My regards to your husband. Great Guy and Daniel too. This video is as fresh as when it was posted 2 years ago. Keep it on the internet. Pat is great and sincere and she will help plenty of JWs to wake up. Your Critical Thinker videos are a blessing from Jehovah. He is calling his sheep to freedom and to His Son The Christ. God bless. Amador from Puerto Rico.

What's helping me to heal now is that I've gotten into Bruno Mars. I absolutely love Bruno Mars's music. I'm trying to learn how to do the dances that I see on his videos now. Bruno is occupying me now. Bruno makes me very happy. I'm going to see him in concert in October.

@Cara-vd7yf

6 жыл бұрын

Dancing and music are great coping strategies!

@padussia

6 жыл бұрын

Caren J Yes it's really helping. I've also brought me a little keyboard and I'm trying to learn how to play the piano. Something that I always wanted to do.

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

Music has always been like a healing for my soul. I love to dance too. OK, so Padussia, I can't wait to see you put up a few KZread vids with your doing your thang! 😂😂😂Go get em girl!!! ~Lady Cee

@padussia

6 жыл бұрын

ExJW Critical Thinker 😁😁

@padussia

6 жыл бұрын

ExJW Critical Thinker I'm working on this dance now: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fqejrqejoqfVl7g.html

A great video. Pat, you are a brave lady. You set a great example for those who want to leave the WT. Bravo!

Great advice.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jazzmine!

@jazzminejackson9181

6 жыл бұрын

Pat Warmack do you attend another church or are you done with religion because of your experience with the JWs?

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

I am an atheist now. I enrolled in college and took a Religious Studies class and saw an HBO documentary about why we worship. The college class proved that the account of Jesus Christ is not unique. There are plenty of religions that predated Christianity with a similar story of god rescuing mankind from certain death and then mankind being eternally obligated to serving the deity. It is a psychological manipulation intended to make the believer feel a sense of indebtedness. The HBO documentary which I saw in the early 2000's showed that all religions were created to help mankind cope with their mortality. If you notice - every religion has a belief about what happens after death (heaven, hell, purgatory, reincarnation, etc.). I'm cool with the idea that someday I will die and don't need a cult/religion to give me a psychological coping mechanism.

@jazzminejackson9181

6 жыл бұрын

I understand. Thanks for sharing your story.

Thank you for sharing your story and helpful insights in leaving this mind controlling corporation. It is so refreshing to hear stories of getting ones life back and a successful life out of Watchtower after being stunted for many years.

And about therapy. My therapist insulted me for not believing me, when I talked about the demons. I later found a very good and natural explanation why I saw demons all the time and it was called sleep paralysis. It is not even a disease, it is something that is so natural that it is happening to most humans every night, only that they are not awake during it. Why couldn't the therapist just say, hey, you had sleep paralysis.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

For the crappy psychological and emotional way I was feeling after leaving the cult - I consulted a therapist that specializes in cults. There are therapists who don't consider JWs a cult (they look harmless enough). So when choosing a therapist, one must be selective. My suggestion when it comes to therapy is to talk to one whom you are comfortable talking with. Also therapy takes time - so don't think in two weeks all will be well. A person may have a mental disorder (bipolar, schizophrenia, PTSD, etc.) that has not yet been diagnosed and needs to be under the care of a psychiatrist and on medications. So if a therapist isn't helping - a visit to a psychiatrist may be needed just to rule out any mental disorders. I am an atheist now and don't believe in demons, Satan, etc. If I believe in unseen evil spirits, then logic says I would need to believe in angelic spirits as well. I believe Watchtower tries to instill in members a fear of evil spirits as a method of keeping people in the cult.

@stasacab

6 жыл бұрын

The Assyrians that had a huge influence in everything thought that life is hell. Therefore it could as well be that the entities we deal with are all evil. WT demonology was a big motivation for me to join in the first place. It should not be a surprise that while in the Watchtower, I still had troubles with demons. Instead of repeating Jehovah's name like a mantra the last time I told entity the current date and remark that I did not believe he belonged to this era. It worked. If the body is relaxed enough for you to say whatever you want to say, then ghosts cannot appear. Like in Stargate, when one loses fear, he or she will ascend.

Maybe we also need a video where we can continue to keep our personal and moral standards after leaving WT

@MelissaBrownapt215

6 жыл бұрын

Matilda - The key is awareness. Do you have moral convictions that you comprehend and see the wisdom of? I do. If so, find like-minded people, maybe among the ex community, but some DO leave to be morally untethered. Just be aware there are a few categories of dissenters: (1) Morality haters (2) doctrine defiers, (3) objectors to outright lies/mistakes, history , (4) protestors of arrogant policies of leadership, (abusing the brotherhood) and the (5) lifestyle haters: culture, boredom, control, etc. As former Witnesses, there are plenty of places and directions to go: Left, Right and Center. We are not a spiritual family in any way.

@MelissaBrownapt215

6 жыл бұрын

Matilda ...but hey, make one. Do you. You will draw crticism from the Left. Just know that. Don't be hurt.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

This is so true - As JWs we were conditioned to try to tell others how to live their lives. It's an adjustment to take a step back and accept that people need to experience life on their terms, even if it means they take a life course that we would not personally choose.

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

Apt215 Melissa Brown, yes, I'm realizing that, no I won't be hurt, I've been through a lot. Ironic though.

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

Apt215 Melissa Brown, though you are very sweet to say that. Love from Australia.

+ExJW Critical Thinker Praise the LORD outstanding absolutely outstanding video interview. God bless. Agape love

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

I don't recognize or validate any of Watchtower's policies, rules, etc. I've embraced atheism and have no religious beliefs. Lastly as a member, I've never granted this cult permission to transfer me to another cult.

@robertkmason

6 жыл бұрын

Yea, I know what you mean, but however, that decision has already taken affect and you are currently now a formal member of the Mormon Church in your local community. I think that you will feel a lot better and have a lot more in common with their belief system and yours. All you have to do make sure it is a good fit for you is to just sit with them and conjugate the finer points so that at the very least you, you will have a religion sponsorship in the event at Armageddon that your disbelief in the existence of the living God and the ransom provision through his Son, Christ Jesus, doesn't quite pan out.

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Psychologists are now being trained in how to deal with people who've left cults. That would be a field of study unto itself.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Raubert - Sorry but my atheism isn't going to work well with the Mormons. Thanks

Great interview! Thank you.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you LaChicaRivers51deMilo!!

It's embarrassing I don't even know my JW sister's name because she has been married so many times, has three baby daddies. Their lies about non JWs are universal. If you become friends with someone in the world, there is only one of a thousand negative pitfalls awaiting you because they aren't good people when contradictory most of the bad people I have had to oust from my life are JWs.

@mitotaalabi9167

6 жыл бұрын

Alia Meen true talk , same with me here

Apostates have THE BEST SMILES ! ! !

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you byronofcalgary! Much appreciated!

The guest is great An amazing transition she has made She is a shining example to other people who leave the JWs

killer vid

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

That's why I delayed sending my DA letter. I'm trying to make new friends

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Very wise Mackie Jae Jones - Make friends, close any educational gaps (college or trade school), assess your career needs, connect with any non-JW family members, finances, housing. Mental health services (therapist/support group) will help you deal with the mental negative aspects of leaving. Just get all of your ducks in order.

Would love to be in NY for 31st meet up, it's also the Memorial night..

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

That was intentional too!

Glad to hear you,v broken free

4:14 *Urban Neighbourhood* A Jehovah's witness on every block. 😱 ooooh HELL Nooooo #notinmyneighbourhood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ THAT HAS GOT TO CHANGE!

@CS-np2oo

6 жыл бұрын

ApostaBabe Linda James 😂😂😂😂😂 She's right. When I lived in Boston Kehoe witnesses are EVERYWHERE. My Aunt like other dubs would stand on subway platforms holding magazines or trying to witness to people. Most times paying a fare.....and not riding a train.

@MartialVillager

6 жыл бұрын

Sometimes they will leave the area if u approach them with "forbidden information". At least it might help them question their beliefs, undermining the mind control overall.

@MelissaBrownapt215

6 жыл бұрын

ApostaBabe Linda James - Like Detroit. So Black folks get a double scoop of this **** hella, haha. Well, I'll be bleep.

@apostababelindajames7461

6 жыл бұрын

C S So dedicated to the organization of Jehovah's witnesses and having no clue that it's a front of the powers that be behind the scenes.

@CS-np2oo

6 жыл бұрын

ApostaBabe Linda James And I often think....i can't believe I used to drink that Kool Aid and believe it !

We shouldn’t crash memorials Just leave without interfering with their teaching.Those activities of apostates.

I volunteer to be a JW & I volunteer to leave. I didn't have to answer to them. When they came by I just let them know that they where the most unloving group of people I ever met. I told God is love & to read Mark12:30-31. I let them know that there house was dirty & to stop knocking on door & clean top your house. They never came back again, I never got rid of my friends & family. Because my love for my Family & Friends. I think what I missed is the ritual of going to the meeting. Got over that, Pat you give good example.

Thank you. Do you know of a spot where I can hear about future meet ups? I'm located in Central PA.

@MelissaBrownapt215

6 жыл бұрын

Caren J - Do you have internet access? Google JW Meetups or even check with Reddit. Meetups are everywhere. If not one in your immediate area, sign up to one website and start one for your area. Meetups don't cost anything.

@Cara-vd7yf

6 жыл бұрын

I'll check into that. Thank you!

US Colleges ask for parents' financials ??!! Wow, that does not happen in Australia, everyone & anyone can go to college !

@davidwicklin9943

6 жыл бұрын

Matilda The College and Student Loan system in the U.S. with FAFSA is crazy. They are asking more for parents and grandparents financials in order to "qualify" for student loans. Some of these parents and grandparents are on the hook and even get their wages and social security checks garnished because they are co-signers and that's a very serious problem if the student graduated or not in debt cannot obtain employment. A lot of individuals here in the United States HAVE to obtain some Student Loans to go to College/University. And the problem some have had as the recent global Great Recession revealed is if one comes out of school and cannot gain employment in the desired field or they were laid off/downsized and cannot get reemployed then that Student Loan Debt can be an overwhelming problem, even when deferments and forbearances are utilized as interest still accumulates. Plus, working in Bankruptcy law nearly 10 years myself and there were major law changes made in 2005 limiting the dischargability of Student Loan debt through Bankruptcy. So even in bonafide, legitimate hardship situations where severe problems in life financially have occured Student Loan Debt is rarely ever eliminated or canceled through the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. I've been there with my JW Ex-Wife as well. Not Fun! Best, Dave in Wisconsin, USA

@MelissaBrownapt215

6 жыл бұрын

You do mean citizens, I take it?

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

Apt215 Melissa Brown, everyone can go to college or university. Citizens, permanent residents and overseas students. International students pay through the roof and the others only pay back their fees when their income reaches about 40,000 USD. Or you can pay up front as well as an option. But the students' education has nothing to do with their parents. What I mean is that no-one asks about your parents. Though there are some questions in the application process such as "were your parents working when you were a teenager" and " what was your first language" and some other statistical questions. The student is assessed and/or accepted academically not financially. So, if you can make the grade, you can study whatever you want.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Same here in the US, Matilda, anyone and everyone can go to college. For students age 18 -21, their parents' income is required on the college application but the application can be processed without that information as far as I know. There have been JW parents who've done the same thing (refuse to provide their financial information).

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

Ok Pat Warmack, in Australia they don't ask for parents' financials even if the student is 16 or 18 because the burden is on the student to pay when they later earn an income, (not the parents).

Bucket list yessss

I did not have a plan, I was caught off-guard, totally. I lost my job, I became homeless, I had to leave the country, everything fell apart in my life. I was picked off the street by a junkie. Right from day one it was just like the nightmare JWs said that the world would be. Actually, worse. I had a junkie on the other side of the table and a serial killer on the other and the junkie was making all kinds of lies and I thought once the killer notices that he has been fooled, he will find the junkie and kill her and then kill me because I was a witness.

@latonyasmith683

6 жыл бұрын

OH MY LORD,HONEY!! YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT,I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT!THAT'S FRIGHTENING...I CAN'T IMAGINE🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗😳😳

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

OY!!! That's scary! How in the world did you get out of all it?

@stasacab

6 жыл бұрын

I spent 15 years with that junkie. Then she died. I held her hand until it became cold. That is stuff I don't wish on anyone. We got her cremated and sprinked her ashes to the sea, as she had wanted. At any rate, I was not prepared. My dad raised me with good intentions, he said that do not say anything if you cannot reason it. Therefore when I started strongly suspecting that I was queer, I did not come out of the closet or had any such plans, for my eventual disfellowshipping, because I could not logically reason my feelings. Others were not as hesitant, though, and the word got out and there I was in the judicial comedy.

@latonyasmith683

6 жыл бұрын

THANKS FOR SHARING,I HELD A BROTHERS HAND UNTIL HE DIED! AND I CAN JUST IMAGINE HOW THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR YOU HAVING TO BURY HER!

@latonyasmith683

6 жыл бұрын

DISFELLOWSHIPPING KILLS!

Damn I wish it wasn't on the memorial night

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sure other meet-ups will be planned in the NY City area. Are you in any of the ex-JW Facebook groups?

@theapostatefamily7870

6 жыл бұрын

Pat Warmack I am! I went to the meet up on the 10th

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

I was down in Clearwater, FL at the Aftermath group meet-up that day.

WP aka "the Heretic" to Critical thinkers ( Everywhere) - Keep in mind, if it breaths oxygen, and walks Planet 🌍, its not Authorized to pass Any Form of Judgement on You or Anyone else !! 😊 Yahweh thy Elohim is the most High. And His Justice is Guaranteed in the hands of His Son , Yeasuha the Messiah !!! 🙌🙌🙌

Hello JT and Lady Cee, Your expeirences inside the organization and your explanations of them are remarkable. Just like you've described the mental trauma that Jehovah's Witnesses are affected by from the WT doctrines. I too have been going through that, and my bipolar condition added to me being extremely rigid and judgemental. Now, I recall JT saying that he dosen't go out and get wild just because he's not a Jehovah's Witness anymore. Does that mean that both of you don't have a religion anymore? The reason I'm asking is because I don't know if there's any religion being directed by Jehovah's Holy Spirit, other than Jehovah's Witnesses. Who over the years progress... Sincerely, Xavier A. Cervantes-Badillo

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Xavier - I know this question is directed to JT and Lady Cee, but I just wanted to respond anyway. On the matter of religion, I am an atheist now. When I was in college I took a Religious Studies course called Religion and Psychology and that helped me realize religion is a sham. It was created to help mankind deal with their mortality.

@PRV22_3

6 жыл бұрын

Pat Warmack Thank you for the reply. It honestly makes sense that religions sells morality for profit and power. Either way there are reasons that make me believe in Jehovah. I can't ignore that there are supernatural evil creatures, so there must be something keeping them from right out terrorizing the entire inhabited earth. Plus, all creation has marvelous and uncoincidental details...

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Xavier - I like that you choose what to believe on your terms. Whatever floats your boat

@PRV22_3

6 жыл бұрын

Pat Warmack A piece to my puzzle is, JT and Lady C are they also Atheist like your respected self? I'm genuinely hoping to know if they are still Christians, how do they practice that?

@PRV22_3

6 жыл бұрын

Pat Warmack I very much appreciate your replies Mrs. Warmack.

Who ever goes to the memorial, and doesn't believe it, they should take the bread and wine all over the world and put this cult out of business, !

Wow i cant belive after 22 years of my life ive been lied too. Im so angry, i always knew something wasn't right. I always felt odd being a JW, i finally found the real truth! Apostate my ass, its the truth!I need help from you guys im leaving, and my girlfriend whos also jw has been having doubts and shes with me on this. My job is filled with jws and im still finishing school and its gonna be hard but i know my girlfriend and I will be in this togheter. I watched the whole video but any more advice helps thank you everyone for opening my eyes.

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

Leonardo Guerrero you have taken the most important step. You were willing to ask the Critical Thinking questions and accept the answer You have been willing to call a spade a spade At this point it's just a matter of making your exits There is NO LONGER any need to explain yourself to regional and local Watchtower Managers called elders and CO. JUST RELAX and take a deep breath Yes you are going to be upset because no one wants to be Duped fooled hoodwinked or bamboozled but we all were !! So now what do you do? You start to rebuild your life. you no longer have to hawk worthless books on your weekend. Since turning in time is a BOGUS JOKE-- enjoy it now -- now you can always be a 10 hour publisher and they will never call you If you want to catch that evening show on a meet g night - now you can. It was a sales training meeting anyway By now you should know how to offer wt and awake magazines - do you really feel you need more training on your evenings?? Can you not think of something better to do now on meeting nights ?? Those boring meetings can now start to come to end. Just start reducing them and when asked let them know you had PERSONAL matters to attend to and THANK THEM for their concern WITH A SMILE ON YIUR FACE !!! Why not volunteer to work at a soup kitchen or shelter.? You will see people who really appreciate that you have volunteered As a JW we used to tell folks on sat morning we were volunteering to be out knocking on their doors Yea right !!! Did you really feel like a volunteer ? Ask yourself. See a volunteer is not dogged for not volunteering enough - instead whatever they do is appreciated Their is no such concept as TOKEN VOLUNTEER SERVICE Yet JW are told they give token service - I thought it was volunteer ?? Take your time on leaving and keep your views to yourself - start building a new clientele of real friends who are not conditional If you wanted to go to college - register for the spring sessions - you are now able to live your life not for the wt but for yourself They lied to us - no need to keep on trying to work with THIER fifty cent program

Help me find a place to worship In North Carolina .I Still believe in Jesus . I need others that love Jesus.

Oh man, more similarities, I too never wanted to be making bitchy girls feel better, WT tries to stick you with the petty girl fights. Never liked, same !!!

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

OY! The whole social structure of the WT sounds like a "MEAN GIRLS" table in the school cafeteria. And heaven forbid if you're ONLY a PUBLISHER! Like the Senior High girls who wouldn't dare associate with Jr. High 'kids' . For school kids, such immaturity is understandable, but for an organization that's supposed to be about *Christian LOVE* , that snooty attitude shows that organization for what it is! A white washed tomb!

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

Fuzzy Bunny Slippers, absolutely !! It is so utterly nice to have other people understand @-@

Excellent video and good advice for anyone leaving. Good for you for making the right decision. If your interested you can go to www.jwvictims.org their are lots of stories similar to yours. It helps to your not alone. It also covers the current law suits against them.

My sister now lives in or near Spindale, North Carolina..anyone know of this KH. .

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

deb matt yes I k ow where that area is. But be careful mentioning folks name they may not want to be out out on the Internet with name and location :)

@debmatt4378

6 жыл бұрын

You are right..I wasn't thinking.BUT..in my defense,,she has never even mentioned to ANYONE that she actually has any brothers and sisters..IT makes me so sick..None of us have been disfellowshipped and she has had nothing to do with any of HER family for 62 years..believe it or not..She's done gone lost her mind a long time ago anyhow..Ya I shouldn't have done it..I will remove it..Thank You

My parents were divorced when I was 1my sister 2. My mother always been jw she had custody all 18years. Dad Baptist. I got saved at 13 that's when I gave my life to my father Jesus Christ at church camp my dad sent us to for 4 years. Being SAVED to no GOD will set you FREE. I'm 50 now and I can still feel the spirit of GOD within me. He is real He is here He is now ready for you. Pray

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Duane for your comment. I went to college and learned a lot about religion. If believing in a higher power gives you comfort, then I am happy for you. I am an atheist and have no need of anymore churches, religions, cults, etc.

Federal job application asks for siblings and their details ??!! Aww

@matilda4406

6 жыл бұрын

I'm one of eight, how many pages would it take to detail each sibling, and they have produced 25 offspring.. Aww

I wrote email to pat Im anxious to hear back worried I mispelled etc

@meldeeann9292

6 жыл бұрын

mellodeebishop@aol.com

Why have a "meet up" on the day of the Memorial?

LC May I say your hair style really suits suits you I like it it's ok I'm not being Inappropriate I mean it with respect ok I am a nobody Englishman... Lady C May I Ask you do you believe in GOD!? same goes for your Hubby your Teddy Bear

Spelling correction : Yeshua /Jesus ( WP "the Heretic" ) 😐

Why not just walk away and say "I quit?"

@ExJWCriticalThinker

6 жыл бұрын

vernell green because you would then Never have the chance to know that God is not gong to kill you because you disagree with some American religious pamphlets out of NYC Take yourself for example - here you are on this forum because you have an interest in JW issues that are being discussed by former JW The FDS gb says JW should be content and not have any interest , concern or desire to know what former JW are saying and doing And yet dedicated baptized JW like yourself are here on these sites JW.org just doesn't cut it - boring articles , meetings, talks - instead here you actually get to use your mind to agree or disagree with what is being discussed At the hall you have to clap like you really enjoyed the boring talk You want to be here , you enjoy being here. If not you would have never clicked the link Be smart and think critically for once in your life.

@vernellgreen4588

6 жыл бұрын

With me, it's crazy for anyone to believe and be so scared of what people write regarding religion. They must fell for the trick! And to believe all that Bethel stuff? Of course I personally would laugh if anybody expected me to believe stuff in any religion I was raised in. As kids, after the age of 5, you start to get it that the catholic priest is hot air: a lot. What they say about "the truth", who knows what's the truth? Every church preaches what we need to do to get in heaven/hell. When we were 5-7 we knew that a lot of "church stuff" was BS. I can imagine people who get family deaths, illnesses, losing money due to the ecomony, going bankrupt might buy the story, and might walk in there. involved and having to believe all this stuff to be true in the first place makes me think how people can be so gullible. That's why I say, just leave. So what if they bother you, get a restraining order and enforce it. All religions have "rules" but to take this stuff so very seriously? No insults to anyone but how did they scare you into this stuff in the first place to need a plan to quit being a JW. We obviously have to protect ourselves if war hits, help keep our environment clean, and many JWs, really watch the news, discuss politics, spend time away from pioneers or whatever to do something like help with various causes. And the reality of what we face politically! I'm not going to sit around and die for the new world!!! I absolutely read pamphlets that I don't like, such as the children all being home schooled, (and I know some educated JWs handles all that money and investments, and graphic design, legal issues at Bethel, so they had an education! But they want everybody else to be dump school or say it's ok to go to school and learn a trade. I never met more than 20 JWs that were 9-5 professionals like me. The blood donor thing, hell no I'm asking a doctor to work around a blood machine if I'm dying. I was a catholic, and before I even knew a JW, I was sickened by Catholics show up sunday, the priest says blablabla . I dislikeJW attitude of "lets us just sit here and wait for the new world." I'm a dog lover, and I do a WHOLE LOT OF WORK FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY. I've overheard som "ooohs and awwws" because time in service would be more valuable than saving dogs, because they are supposed to suffer because of Satan. I never recall being told god would kill me if I disagree with something. God gives the good plan of life, which is very lacking today in this world, the important parts of the bible about murder, greed, slaving for money, and all religions teach that, even Muslims. Even an atheist might be working too hard to climb that corporate ladder, and while mom is gone, her kid decides to shoot up a school. A hand full of idiots took 2 pages out the Kuran and ran with it. The Kuran is an excellent life style. Lots of my JW friends are very similar to me, so I guess they are technically "hypocrites." All that stuff about fire and chariots in revelation correlates to the seven cities! I guess the JW really picture a horse with wings? I never really knew that many people get scared of this stuff. I know a bunch of Catholics who ignore a lot of holy days of obligation, communion, but none of us feared for our lives. It just scares me more that so many people believe so deeply in that JW stuff. I think you HAVE TO LET YOUR OWN MIND be weak to get scared of all that stuff.

@vernellgreen4588

6 жыл бұрын

No, I'm not baptized JW, but Catholic. Personally, I don't think any religion dumping water on your head matters. I would never go door to door, and I'm on here because it's interesting. Believe me, I have noticed people who give up all their time to JW. And I find it crazy. I enjoy this discussion because it caught my eye, and yes, as far as the talks, I don't go, I've been to about 6 and it's just like sitting in Catholic Church (I'm Catholic). Catholic church was always a place to take a nap ... my granddaughters find Catholic Church boring too. I guess the people I know and the ones who DID TRY TO GET ME TO COME ALL THE TIME, made me interested. So I went. Also, I hear so many beliefs about what JW do, like drinking the blood of a dead animal, and I said no way, I'm in New Orleans and I only think that Voodoo might do things like that. I also read about that "shunning" crap even having to do it to family members!!!! INSANE. I do enjoy being here, as I said at the very beginning, "why don't you just quit going?" Note: I do think critically. That's why I can't understand that people buy the JW bullshit. I wonder who would believe the EXTREME doctrines! More people than I thought. I teach math. So I'm a great critical thinker, which variable brings me back to "just quit going" period. Brings me back to how anyone can fall for that doctrine; why is there this website for people to prepare for life after leaving JW ??? I feel sorry for all of the people needing help to get away from JW religion. Again, I don't see why you don't walk out, and join another church that's more "normal", or don't. If you believe in God, you don't need anything or anyone to pray. And, if you don't believe in God, that's another option.

All you need to do is DISAPPEAR. Period. Leave!

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

I was living in the same neighborhood and was not in a position to disappear.

@muntupoetslegacy7760

6 жыл бұрын

A testament to the extreme psychological CONTROL the JW organization holds over its adherents. SMDH.

@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE

6 жыл бұрын

I've heard stories where the congregation was so distant with a person that it was easy to just leave. In other cases, , esp. if there are family members in the org/cult, it's that much more difficult. I've heard that now, they are supposed to treat faded jw's as if they're df'd or disassociated. Ironically, it's the way they treat some people, there's precious little difference between before and after.

@patwarmack678

6 жыл бұрын

Muntu - I realize we disagree on this, but me writing a DA letter was done for my own benefit. It wasn't a control issue. I cut ties with them and considered it my new lease on life. Writing that letter was good in that I had no further contact with them. I didn't have to worry about anybody snitching on me, the elders trying to contact me, etc. As mentioned one of my siblings is an elder - so even had I ducked and dodged the elders from the KH - they just would've sent him over. Not only that but writing that letter gave me a sense of closure. It truly was a selfish act that I don't regret. We're no longer JWs - we need to allow other exJWs make their own decisions, whether we agree with it or not. We need to respect their decisions. We no longer need to tell everyone how to live, what to do, what not to do , etc. It's a JW trait that needs to be lost asap.

@muntupoetslegacy7760

6 жыл бұрын

Pat - Your comments are well taken. Thank you for sharing your story. Peace, Joy and Love unto you!

Ha ha yessss meeee to I am voting Trump 2020 can’t wait to vote for the first time .... I know some may not agree but with my choice but I love our prez I can’t say it on my FB page I still have a few J dubs on there delete delete time .... good job pat