Are we sure that's Trevor? There's a disturbing lack of promos and full arts in his deck.

13:34 Trevor: Sac a creature please, Matt Matt: Cool I'll turn my 6/6 deathtouch life link into 4 3/3 lifelinkers and 4 3/3 deathtouchers and draw 2 cards Trevor: *The move I made was calculated, but man am I bad at math*

@zerogeassuseralt

4 жыл бұрын

They also all have Vigilance and Lifelink because of Teysa

@reddrake40

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@freya002YT

4 жыл бұрын

Wow

@mastamizclix42

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly lol, the right move was to make Harry sac his commander, Ryan to lose life (as he's got plenty of card draw anyway), and Matt to discard... That misplay hurt my eyes lol

Matt: "alright I mulled to 6 but I have some good cards and am ready to do tesya shenanigans" Trevor: "Begin game with Leyline of the Void" Matt: Surprised Pikachu face

I think what saved Harry was Tome of the Guildpact, which let him keep drawing cards whenever he cast any spell.

I love how easy to read your overlay is.

I am not a fan of those +1/+1 counters ryan is using. They take up a lot of space on the card and look like the 5 side of a d6, so I kept thinking that toothy somehow had like 20 counters on it when it really had 4.

@nickp465

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Sutcliffe I was thinking the same thing. Much easier to use multiple d6 or a d20

@kurtcrean

4 жыл бұрын

Right? Who has a deck based on +1/+1 counters then uses such obnoxious dice to mark them?

Every time Ryan starts to have a board state, Trevor had something to say about it😂

really nice to see a teysa and a meren decks doing almost the same thing with very different cards.

Thats the Egmont overture in the background for everybody thats wondering

Meren and Teysa have to be some of my favorite commanders flavor wise. Golgari just endlessly recurring things and Orzhov making you make lose/lose decisions

I can only imagine how happy you were when Trevor ended the game. 20+ minutes must be hours of editing.

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

Outsider Sidaroth so happy lol

@sebastianlambert3440

4 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah Really fun to watch though! :)

I'm super stoked that you're doing another match with teysa karlov, I dont see much of her anymore in youtube videos:(

Im autmomaticly happy when hearing muddstahs voice

@LAmanafull6246

4 жыл бұрын

Was soooooo weird when i heard him actually speaking and playing in the same time in a stream, and not with an recorded analysis tone like here ^^

Short but sweet commander games, love it. Just subscribed!

LOL, that damn intro had my double checking the channel to make sure I clicked on what I thought I clicked on. Love both channels though :P

Are people seriously complaining about a combo ending the game when this game was nothing but board wipe tribal? I want games to end, not drag on needlessly because each player is getting salted from having their boards wiped so they proceed to board wipe.

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

Casual EDH tradition. There will ALWAYS be someone who complains about combos.

@LAmanafull6246

4 жыл бұрын

In that case, as muddy said it's a 2h+ game, i'm not mad with a combo finisher. Like you said, you have to finish at some point. In our (casual) playgroup, we have a 1H30 chrono, so there are not so many wrath, 'cause it basically said "if you have a sleepy deck, nobody will score".

@Frog_Cat_

4 жыл бұрын

Infinite combos and grindgy games like this are both things people hate. The ideal game has people actually playing magic, actually attacking with creatures, and players actually dying. I think people didn't like the combo in this one because they weren't there for 2 hours, only 20 minutes. And it was out of nowhere. Meren really should've been ganged up on, there are (as usual for this channel) so many bizarre threat assessments in this game.

@IlovelouisDTV

4 жыл бұрын

That's why I hate watching Meren games. It's always so predictably cleaning the board while trying to combo out.

@andrewlaverghetta715

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkEinherjar That's a little disingenuous to say it's a casual tradition. I don't believe it has anything to do with somebody being casual. Sometimes it can feel bad to be chipping away at life, gaining life, attacking, only to have somebody do something that doesn't really feel like it does anything to kill anybody, just basically saying, "the game's over." I don't know this combo well enough to say so, but I've had it twice in the last 4 games at a mostly casual table with Food Chain just basically having somebody say "I win." With First Sliver especially, it's not really possible to actually win by playing out the combination that leads to a win, people just basically concede. The key combos I've had in similar decks include Gravecrawler/Phyrexian Altar/zombie pinger, or even an Approach of the Second Sun, which definitely feels inconclusive, which is why I took it out of the deck ultimately. Luckily, my golgari graveyard deck with Izoni also has a number of tokens and ways to buff them for lethal often, so I don't need to combo often.

Had to double-check whose video I was watching when I heard Martin's voice in the intro! 😆

I’ve played somewhere around 15 Commander games over the last 2 days and none of them were as interactive or dynamic as this one. Other than the somewhat blasé Mike and Trike finish, this was a pretty ideal game of commander to me. Well done!

@SvviftDeath

4 жыл бұрын

I really liked watching this game because it felt like it was anyone's game at any given moment. The games I play are usually like this only because I have tuned my decks to recover from any board wipe. Although it makes it very difficult to end games at times. For example I ended a 3hr game that happened last Saturday by going off with Wilderness Reclamation + Strionic Resonator. It allowed me so much mana I was able to dig for my Notion Thief + Echo of Eons and close out the game. I was playing my Tasigur deck and it isn't fully optimized so it is more fun to play casually than a lot of my other semi cEDH decks.

that was a really fun game to watch.

I don't know why, but there's something that just made me happy when the Woodfall Primus was exiled. And this is coming from someone who's first commander deck was a Karador deck

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

Probably fear of losing lands. Primus can also go infinite with Mikaeus and a sac outlet to remove all opponents' noncreature permanents.

@AidanWR

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkEinherjar That's not the reason

Can someone explain the end combo? I get that it was a welcome end to a long game, but the commenters really is just "he plays this card and the game ends." Just please try to remember that not everyone watching knows every combo out there.

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

Robert McPherson Mikaeus gives the Triskelion undying. Triskelion comes in with 3 +1/1 counters which he can remove to do damage to any target. Trevor uses two of them to hurt the Triskelion and the last one to whoever. Triskelion then dies, but comes back with Undying, gaining an extra counter plus his three. You then do two damage to Triskelion and two to whoever, then cycle through this over and over until the table is dead.

@robertmcpherson138

4 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah I figured it was probably something like a derivative of Walking Ballista, but Triskelion was only on screen for a few frames so didn't get a chance to see what was happening.

Matt starts with an Altar, but Trevor starts with a Leyline of the Void. Nice. No altar combo today. 9:20 Oh well. I spoke too soon. 16:25 Finally, someone destroys the Altar. 17:25 Urgh. 19:34 Oh well. A different sacrifice combo won. Maybe even a nastier one than the altar combo, since this one is only 2 cards.

Hey are you guys located in Jersey? Id love to get a game in with the Goblin Gang sometime!

Descendant's Path is my favorite magic card art of all time, where can I get that playmat!

@xxmerkutioxx

4 жыл бұрын

shop.tnielsen.com/Descendants-Path-Playmat-PMDESCENDANTS.htm

It’s funny, my Niv Reborn deck is hardly my most powerful or even most refined/worked on, but it’s my favourite. Just a bunch of rather budget “good stuff” with a commander that has some beautiful artwork. Thinking of actually redoing and nvesting some real effort into redoing him. Such a simple commander with a lot of variety.

Great match, loved every moment of it. Pir & Toothy are gross lol and that move with the lich could have gone better lol.

Such a nice balanced game of edh with much interaction

What happened with that exhume

God I love the Jersey boys.

Outside of the combo, I really enjoyed that Meren deck. Great game all around!

Yay Meren!

What is that object under Harry's Commander?

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like a life counter.

I wanted to scream when he vindicated the birthing pod.

Man, what a slugfest 10/10

Would really like to see that Pir and Toothy list if possible

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ug-boy-and-his-blob/

@kyuubishiv

4 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah Thanks so much Andrew👍

where are the combo's? :') i am an very casual player with my Pir and Toothy deck but even i have a Isochron Scepter and a Pili Pala/Grand Architect in my deck for some combos's like Isochron Scepter-Dramatic Reversal or Isochron Scepter and Tangle to keep my lifepoints safe, i'm just missing the good cards in Pir and Toothy like those and/or Rhystic Study...

Matt : *Exist* Trevor: Skidadle skidoodle, your graveyards now a noodle

Why do I always see them put a dice for one extra mana on their commander isnt commander tax 2 extra mana?

He muddstah irecently made a mizzix deck and really wanted to see a game with her in it

@andrewlaverghetta715

4 жыл бұрын

Ohhh I love Mizzix. I don't get to play her often, but she's by far my most explosive deck, unless I have an awesome draw with Brudiclad, oddly enough.

Unpopular opinion? I love grind fests. This game was a bliss to watch, love it.

@andrewlaverghetta715

4 жыл бұрын

I think they're great. There definitely needs to be a definitive ending though. It can't be a "oh darn, we only have an hour and a half to play, so we have to end early and just agree that nobody winds." I've had that before.

board wipes on board wipes really slowed the game down haha. Meren so gooooodddddd

That man just made 4 fucking Wurmcoil Engines out of one Wurmcoil Engine... God damn

Can someone explain the combo???? I didn’t see a sac outlet. So how did he combo 🤔

@Agnos7692

4 жыл бұрын

www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/305471-mike-trike The way the combo works, Harry can't even save that Wear / Tear to stop it, unfortunately. I love seeing all of these decks, Niv especially, but how does that deck plan to actually win? Voltron damage?

@EnoDekciwEht

4 жыл бұрын

I’ll be damn... that totally went over my head. Thanks

@coreysierchio4650

4 жыл бұрын

"I never noticed Mikaeus gives +1/+1 nor that Triskelion has a base power/toughness of 1 before today. Have I been lied to about this win con?"

@coreysierchio4650

4 жыл бұрын

"So I thought about it & Triskelion enters with 3 +1/+1 counters. Remove 1 to deal a point of damage to anything. Then remove 2 to deal 2 damage to itself killing it. Mikaeus gives the creature Undying so as long as it dies without any +1/+1 counters, it will come back, so Triskelion enters the battlefield with 3 +1/+1 counters & the loop continues where Triskelion will deal infinite damage to players unless the loop is interrupted."

Other then that. Damn good game I thought

I didn’t understand how the game ended. Can someone please explain it to me?

@tlothompson6935

2 жыл бұрын

This was 2 months ago, but the first card said, if something dies without counters, bring it back to the battlefield. Second card enters with 3 counters you can remove for damage to players health. It was an infinite combo of him doing 3 dmg by removing counters then bringing it back to the board and doing it all over again.

teysa is brutal, doubling death triggers is insane

Impressive amount of graveyard hate and boardwipes. Meren is a beast!

Toothy value (draws 6 cards) awhh. Some much value

a ta-crumbling nucropolis

Matt sacrificed one token too many on turn 10. He had one floating from sacrificing Elenda that he forgot about

12:13 missed Elenda trigger

@andrewlaverghetta715

4 жыл бұрын

How so? He swung with Elenda, and then sacced her to the alter to make Vampires x2. She had 12 counters, so she was a 13/13, so her trigger made 26 Vampires. Then he sacced most of them for mana.

@AvatarKira

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewlaverghetta715 Solemn's death should have put 2 more counters on Elenda

@andrewlaverghetta715

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvatarKira Cool thanks! I don't know how many times I watched that and still didn't notice it.

it's a little bit dark

I hope we get the toothy list

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

I'll ask Ryan tonight.

I would love to see that pir and toothy list! :)

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ug-boy-and-his-blob/

Who does the intro voices?

@sobek_games7106

4 жыл бұрын

Affinity for Commander! They're mentioned on the lower right side :D

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

That particular one is from Martin and Alex from Affinity from Commander. Each intro has a different voice.

Wait, how did casting Treskellion finish the game?? I feel like a noob rn

@BrutalDavy

4 жыл бұрын

Cast it, remove all +1/+1 counters, since it has no counters Mikaeus brings it back with undying, that also gives it a +1/+1 counter, you remove it to deal 1 damage, mikaus bring it back again, repeat until everybody is dead

@coreysierchio4650

4 жыл бұрын

@@BrutalDavy "But doesn't Mikaeus give the Triskelion +1/+1. so you'd need something to deal 2 damage to trigger Undying?"

@BrutalDavy

4 жыл бұрын

@@coreysierchio4650 He had Altar on the board for that.

@coreysierchio4650

4 жыл бұрын

"Nevermind. I get it now."

That toothy deck is amazing

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ug-boy-and-his-blob/

@taylorireland878

4 жыл бұрын

@@MTGMuddstah thank you so much

Cabal Coffers & Urborg straight-up won that game for Trevor

Oh, boy, a combo win... let the rage begin.

@zerogeassuseralt

4 жыл бұрын

Don't mind combo wins tbh especially in this case as apparently it was a 2 hour game and ppl's boards just repeatedly got wiped and had no clear win cons

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

And I don't mind a combo that requires twelve mana worth of creatures from hand, is easily telegraphed from the graveyard and can be stopped by instant speed creature removal/graveyard hate. No matter how many people complain against Mike + Trike, I'll never see it as "OP", "toxic" or "broken" by any means.

@tsho6131

4 жыл бұрын

Nope, it’s none of those things. It’s just obvious and uninteresting. But, games gotta end, so whatever. This game was still excellent and fun to watch to the finish.

@armoric

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkEinherjar I'm more surprised that the Ghost Quarter went at the Urborg rather than the Cabal Coffers on that situation.

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

@@armoric I think Trevor only had three or four swamps without Urborg, so Cabal Coffers wasn't that big of a deal. Besides, Trevor's deck, being green, probably has more ways to get lands back from the graveyard than Matt's.

Meren doesn't get the experience counter, the player does. Just a heads up. The player also retains the counters as she moves between zones.

@MTGMuddstah

3 жыл бұрын

You're right. I just said that for shorthand, but we play like you explained it.

I’m irrationally angered by him using a die for EACH 1/1 counter.

@andrewlaverghetta715

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if it ever has negative psychological blowback when people see SIX dice on something instead of a single D6. It looks so much worse than just a single die.

Yuriko please!

Jersey!

9:00 It didn't matter in this game, but Anguished Unmaking should have gone to the graveyard upon resolution, not exile

Meren pregame Leyline? This I've got to see.

I don't mind the combo finish, but man, I am so sick of all Meren decks being and doing exactly the same.

@kwikdraw7332

4 жыл бұрын

Net decking at it's finest. The sad part is, this is a casual game. You really shouldn't net deck a casual deck. cEDH netdecking is forgiveable (slightly), because people have worked together and tuned each cEDH deck to be as optimal as possible. Casual decks should be as much of your own idea as possible, though. My opinion anyway, which I know not all will agree with

Trevor wins with Meren. What a surprise.

As you saw

muddstah i am not a big fan of the new effect on cards (they slowly dissapear instead of becoming small like you usually do)

@greatbrandini3967

4 жыл бұрын

Ditto. It isn't a big deal to me, but it felt off

Happy to see a fair game of magic. No mana crypts Or sol rings. That being said, nothing happened until turn 5 #ReasonableMTG

@johntyson4258

4 жыл бұрын

I'd rather die on turn 5 than have to wait til turn 5 before anything happens, tbh lol. But to each their own.

Despite the cheap combo win, it was an amazing game. All decks showcased their powers and it had lots of interaction.

I wonder how people didn't mass abandon EDH the year thr Meren precon came out

@FernandoRojas-py6fn

4 жыл бұрын

Becuase it is easy to get ride of her. But not so many people build their decks to be prepared for everything.

@matheusfili

4 жыл бұрын

Chuubii adding to the comment from Fernando, Meren is also a very fun deck to play, and being Golgari makes her really good, but not to the point of being just unfair, since a Blue player can get control of her very easily. She is great, but not unfair.

@Ubermunki3

4 жыл бұрын

Meren ALWAYS wins. Being unable to stop experience counters and sacrifice being uninterruptible makes her OP as hell

@clocktowers1

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ubermunki3 Vampire Hexmage would like a word about them counters.

@FernandoRojas-py6fn

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ubermunki3 solemnity, rest in peace, hushbringer, grafdigger cage, relic of progenitus, reality shift, leyline black, scavenger ooze, magma spray, anger of the gods, burn from within. You have response in every color and in artifacts. As i said, build your deck against everything.

I love Pir and Toothy.

Meren 🖤

i'm sorry, but whenever Harry plays, all i can focus on is that weird contraption he keeps his commanders on. I don't what that is, but i want one.

@olafthemoose9413

4 жыл бұрын

It's a life counter

Hydraulic

Procession after Elenda pops yea ok Mentor after Traveler mhm mhm

Meren

As a Meren player myself, I feel when Trevor's graveyard here exhiled.

Don't hate on Zegana, Utopian Speaker. The trample ability is incredibly relevant more often than not.

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't trying to! I've honestly never seen her before this game.

@brendanwu23

4 жыл бұрын

MTG Muddstah same

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is so "toxic" (whatever people mean by that) about Meren? Yes, I get it: she renders most standard creature removal useless because her allies will just come back from the dead. So what? There's graveyard hate, there's exile-based removal, there's "remove/counter Meren until she becomes too expensive to bring back"... you can deal with her the same way you deal with other graveyard recursion commanders like Karador and Muldrotha, so why only Meren seems to get this much hate?

@smartasdan

4 жыл бұрын

Dealing with meren requires the resources you just listed. While those options are available, it means spending mana constantly keeping another player in check. In a 4 player game, this immediately starts to put you behind, while a single resolution of meren undoes most of your work to control it. Not all colors have equal ability to deal with her, and green black has access to removal for all permanent types (example in game: the graveyard exile land was immediately removed by the meren player). She requires far too many resources for the average player to deal with while still trying to win. That's why people call her toxic. Edit: additionally, every deck slot devoted to dealing with graveyard hate is a deck slot not devoted to getting closer to winning the game for yourself.

@charlesmaillho367

4 жыл бұрын

I think she gets the hate because she gets creatures back for "free." Simple counterspells, graveyard hate, and single target removal are more than enough to hold her down. She's only bad when she gets experience counters which means she has to stay on the field and then something has to die with it on his side of the board. I truly believe that the people who think she is "toxic" are just bad deck-builders.

@ShatteredRomance1

4 жыл бұрын

It's because experience counters don't go away. Removing her only sets the player back a single turn as opposed to removing the counters

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

@@smartasdan So, players call her "toxic" because they don't feel like dedicating deck slots to deal with her? It's not like those answers deal with Meren and only Meren, and are dead cards against everything else. Take graveyard hate, for example: most EDH decks have graveyard recursion in some way, and a lot of graveyard hate cards either replace themselves (Relic of Progenitus) or have other functions when you don't need the hate, such as lands (Bojuka Bog, Scavenger Grounds). "every deck slot devoted to dealing with graveyard hate is a deck slot not devoted to getting closer to winning the game for yourself" By that "logic", should I not run board wipes, single-target creature removal, artifact/enchantment hate or, god forbid, counterspells? Should I build decks with only my wincons, tutors for said wincons and ramp/card draw, and kindly ask my opponents to not disrupt my gameplan in any way until I win? I was not aware Magic: the Gathering had its own version of Pokémon's Edgar Clause.

@smartasdan

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkEinherjar responding to your quote about my "logic": the issue is that none of those things stop meren from working. Board wipe? She gets counters. Counterspell any creature but her? She gets it back. Additionally, counterspells and board wipes are useful against multiple opponents and archetypes. Meanwhile, graveyard removal is an incredibly specific and limited form of meta hate that does not have wider meta applications (my single target removal kills any commander, yet removing the white players graveyard has limited usefulness). As to your conclusion from my "logic": yeah, pretty much. That's what competitive decks do, except they run counters and silence instead of asking permission. The deck you described as tutors ramp and draw is basically flash hulk and that deck upsets a large portion of the cedh community due to how good it is.

All those sacrifice decks are disgusting xD

such a fun grindy game ended by an overdone combo q.q i really wanted to see the rest of that game play out

@MTGMuddstah

4 жыл бұрын

Casimir Nelson the game was well over 2hrs by the time the combo happened. Trevor did me a mercy ending it then lol

100th like! wooo

Every time I played my Meren deck, everyone just ganged up on me and knocked me out first.

@DarkEinherjar

4 жыл бұрын

I began to put cards that make all players or all opponents discard to help fight that hate. If people are going to hate me regardless, I might as well be mean to them. >:)

@maxmaier7023

4 жыл бұрын

As they should have. No offense to you, Meren is just toxic

@HarryBuddhaPalm

4 жыл бұрын

@@maxmaier7023 I think she's incredibly overrated and fairly easy to deal with.

Yuck reliquary tower in a Meren deck

GENERIC MARTIN AND ALEX

"So, we went 13 turns and then Mike & Trike went to combo town, population: 3 dead opponents." Okay. I don't hate combo, but it is always anti-climatic, especially in decks that took so long to get there.

I am so tired of Meren decks. Boring.