What would You do with A♣ A♦ on the flop? Your Stack (UTG +1): $1,330 Their Stack (UTG): $655 Pot: $100 Board: Q♥ T♥ 4♣ UTG checks, You bet £35, CO, BTN & BB fold, UTG raises to $165 A) Fold B) Call (stack off on any safe turn) C) Call (stack off on any turn) D) Raise to $655 (all in)

@dogperson432

2 жыл бұрын

Very tough. I'm leaning towards options b or c. I'd probably say B, but then stack off on even an unsafe turn because I'm bad and can't fold aces, so the true answer for me is C.

@woodstock7799

2 жыл бұрын

@@dogperson432 but then you cloud do D ... would that no be better if you cant handel unsafe turn?

@dogperson432

2 жыл бұрын

@@woodstock7799 yeah but I get to have another card to make my hand look weaker, I'm in position so he has a chance to bet again, and then he'll be more committed to call by the turn when I shove if he's behind. But what do I know as I said I am bad

@nickolauspatterson4585

2 жыл бұрын

I'm most likely calling the flop check raise. Then re-evaluate on the turn.

@adeeter

2 жыл бұрын

C - Call

Jam all day and twice on Sundays.

The idea of folding never crossed my mind 😂 I have a lot to learn

I'm feeling that Helmuth wasn't mad , he was just appreciative for the camera time .

Jam. Just in hopes I can get him to tilt.

@branchtana315

2 жыл бұрын

I think Phil is so competitive and hates losing so badly, that it is possible to get him tilting even in a measly 2'/5 game. LOL

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@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

The ideal ending would be the dealer saying no rabbit hunting and pulling in the cards after Phil’s aggressive attitude towards him.

I think that’s a results oriented “good fold” by brad. Hellmuth could now own him with a check raise on just about any board and any range if he’s letting AA go that easily. He should have called and reevaluated the turn IMO.

@chrisruf6581

2 жыл бұрын

Of course it's a bad fold. But it makes for a great story when you out Hellmuth Hellmuth.

@DriverrevirD

2 жыл бұрын

Is Hellmuth there to be on the blog?... “I dunno, I dunno”. Haha Johnathan winning me over with dry sarcasm all over the place. Actually happy to see Hellmuth playing a tiny game just so he can be in the vlog and give poker more exposure. Like him or not, Hellmuth is good for the game and a better person than most haters know. 🍀♥️🍀♥️

@iambadatpickingusernames6669

2 жыл бұрын

But Phil won't because is a nit. He will show up with some bizzare bluffs in good situations, but he's not bluffing this spot.

@z17seattle

2 жыл бұрын

No he won't get owned.... it won't get exploited... because he won't do it that often. And he can very clearly observe an opponent trying to exploit as they would have a far too high c/r frequency

@robrochon1034

2 жыл бұрын

You're assuming that only Hellmuth will adjust his game after this hand but Brad won't. Why can't Brad in future hands be aware that Phil might take loose shots at him and call him down or shove with weaker holdings?

Empty the chamber and let the Lord decide

I think its easier to make these so called crazy folds against helmuth because he makes himself so polarized and everyone knows how much he underbluffs so one pair hands are doing terrible... unless you're drawing to nutted hands I really think folding single pairs to excessive helmuth action is kinda trivial

@ligafftheindifferent3495

2 жыл бұрын

I expect that in a great many spots, under bluffing is the correct strategy. Not GTO, but correct due to opponents who call too often, such as KQ. Phil has probably reached this conclusion, though maybe not consciously. If being abrasive causes more people to call more often, then it is easy to see how this works for him.

That’s a nitty and exploitable fold, especially given Phil’s stack size.

@z17seattle

2 жыл бұрын

Good players can make exploitable plays as long as they are few and far in between... I think he is smart enough to not bet fold aces all the time, so if you try to exploit him with bluffs you will get caught, and he will observe your way too high c/r flop frequency

Love Brad! So glad two of my favorites are working together.

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

The best!

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@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Bill!

This situation is especially funny because when we fold here we're insulting Phil Hellmuth, we're telling him that he's so bad at the game and he underbluffs so much that we don't have to protect ourselves against his strategy; and he's so clueless that he thinks we're showing respect to him by folding.

@edide1627

2 жыл бұрын

I thinks he new that and just tried to save face by praising Brad's play.

@claudiomicheli3863

2 жыл бұрын

Actually in a world where everyone overcalls or tries to bluffcatch close to indifferent hands underbluffing is a very smart strategy. This time he looks dumb because of his persona but he's made millions doing what he does and he certainly knows generally when to be balanced or not

@OsefKincaid

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudiomicheli3863 No he doesn't, have a nice day though

@edide1627

2 жыл бұрын

@@OsefKincaid lol

Continue the great work! Enjoy your videos.

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I don't see how someone as experienced as Helmuth calls QQ preflop to play it 5 ways. Same with TT. The hands he'd likely have that would be winning post-flop are QT and maybe 44. I HATE hoping for a safe draw, but these tutorials help me understand why that can be the better play. Despite that, I probably would have raised.

@iamamish

2 жыл бұрын

Phil is very trappy

Since hellmuth is a master of being trappy and slow playing I would probably rip it in right on the flop. His raise to me looks like a strong draw

Im really curious how it would have played out if Brad would have made a bigger flop bet. Does Phil just call? or does he still raise and Brad is forced to call because hes invested now?

That was no outburst.Phil is capable of much better.

@UberFubar75

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's the first time I've seen PH actually give credit to good play, rather than bitching about the bad play that beat him lol

It's a great fold if brad thinks that hellmuth will respect his c-bet into the field and flat his draws at a high frequency, maybe hellmuth does just flat all his flush draws bc he thinks his fold equity is so low

definitely call hard to lay down aces in this spot considering he is only going to have QQ and TT very very rarely and getting it in on the 4 on the turn because that reduces combos of 44 and we beat QT now

I call and probably stack off on any safe turn. Phil is doing this play with his best hands and some good equity draws. It would be a lot better with the Ah as we would block the top draws in his range but regardless on this board im not folding unless something super scary comes.

After Phil limping in, he should Not have QQ and TT. Hands that beat us are 44 and QT. Heards and straight draws are also likely like KJo, Axhh, J9. Would Stick around, if draws komplete and he gets aggressive, get out of there

@br4insful

2 жыл бұрын

actually, he limped with it, so he does.

@toniweigl9783

2 жыл бұрын

@@br4insful what do you mean? I said, he ist not limping QQ and TT

@br4insful

2 жыл бұрын

he limped with QT. But he's UTG playing low stakes where he could have limped QQ, TT or AA just to see the action. It is clear the game was recreational, as any smallest stake game for a high roller

Nice video , I have situations where this comes up a lot . I play kinda nitty and make plenty of money from the loose passive crowd , as in plenty of calls pre flop and either they fold to C-bet or they show up with a weaker hand by the river ...BBUUTT , I seem to lose money to the loose bluffy players who float the flop then raise big on the turn , then I fold if I only have top 1or2 pair whether scary or dry board . It is almost like rock/paper / scissors , an ecosystem if you may , lol. I take the money from the loose passive (very consistent gains ) then I give turn pots to the bluffy players but the bluffy players feed the fish because the fish call him down.....I know I need to call down the bluffy player more but any videos you have on the subject ? Thanks

Thanks Jonathan! I read Phil's little book, #POSITIVITY a long time ago and really enjoyed the honesty of it. While Phil is a personality and a performer when he plays poker, any man can tilt. We've all seen him do it, and it looks very different when it's real. What I got most out of the book is that Phil is always working on is controlling his temper and being a better human. I watch this scene with Brad and I think Phil has come a long way. I've watched him in person on and off the felt, and I think for being such a poker demigod he's a good guy. Nice breakdown by the way, and thanks for your own honesty with the, "man, this is a really tough spot," and "I'm not sure what I would do here." One thing I know I would NOT do is sit down at that table.

which one vlog is this??? I can't find it ;(

Phil is a soul reader who misreads souls quiet often😂 And who folds aces ever on the flop?

So how what are the odds of winning with top pair if there is nothing else on the board and only undercards? What are the odds of winning with middle pair in the same situation? What about bottom pair? Can you lay the percentages out?

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Run it through Equilab.

“Could he have Q4, probably not”. Haha!

This is a big problem when you are facing an opponent who doesn't care about these stakes at all. As I play min buy-in in cash game, it is easy all in for me.

all in and hope i'm good. turns don't really help me, and only make him more likely to fold during turn when his equity does go down (and make me less money). if he's already good, doesn't matter probably, so nothing to lose at that point.

Since Phil can have many hands with lots of equity that won’t fold to a shove I think I would go all in on flop. I don’t want to put myself in a tough turn spot by just calling if a scare card comes. I guess the argument for calling is that Brad has position and can decide how to proceed in the hand if the turn is a brick.

@CxsualtyGaming

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but how many hands is he calling the jam with which you’re beating with AA. I think Ax of hearts maybe he calls it off, however not much else

It’s hard to say what I would have done in that spot... everybody says what they would’ve done, but if I’m going to try and be honest. I probably would have seen the turn and on a safer board offer a bad price to the draws as that seems like Phil would be more committed after that flop bet. This was a good fold too

Amazing content as always

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Nooo i just got spoilered on the high stakes duel 😂

I remember seeing this hand from Brad's vlog can't remember the details. WPH rocks !

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Mark!

Not sure about your comment that a semi-bluff raise is targetting QJ/KQ, wouldn't those hands actually be better bluff catchers because they block QT and QQ? Obviously in this case the aces would've sucked out whereas KQ wouldn't, but I feel like it's worth noting that regardless

Analyzing this from brads perspective is one thing but what about phil raising so much to 165 i mean he raise to 105 he has brad in and phil thinks he made the right raise after the turn comes a 4 he feels better but clearly it is enough to get aces to fold is this the wrong move by phil? What hands are calling him when aces arent or just sets aces and kings? Maybe ak of hearts

as always.... Excellent stuff!

great video, laying down overpairs can be hard.

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@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure. Sorry!

I would probably shove to end action and hopefully see a fold or retain value. I can also see calling and folding to bad cards.

3:00 Noone is gonna fold a T in a 5way pot vs a 60-70% cbet? Well assuming they are all fish that might be correct, but you should definitely fold most of your Tens here vs such a cbet into so many players.

@RaulGroom

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and while I think Brad's fold is pretty nitty, it is actually hard to play too nitty in a 5 way pot. If you lead into 5 people and get raised you are almost always against a very strong range.

Great video. I love your content.

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

I think Phil can have sets here, but I think he has many more hands that we beat, such as AJs(hearts), J9s, KQs. Call planning to call down on safe runouts.

I made the same fold with aces the other day with aces on a 10, 8, 3 board. He raises massive. I know the player so well that I know he's only doing that with 2 pair minimum. I was right.

Note how so many would have shoved because they're afraid of getting out drawn. You want to induce MISTAKES, not correct play by your opponents.

Probably calling, maybe shoving, depends on the player dynamic, and able etc…

I literally paused the video when Jonathan said. Here's my reasoning: $300 in pot. $600 behind. I could be wrong, but based on what I know about Phil, I doubt he's usually doing this without a set or two pair (for value) or a nut-flush or straight+flush draw here as semi-bluffs, especially after we raised in early position and bet into a multi-way pot; both of which should skew his check-raise range towards strong hands. Considering we don't have Ah that certainly opens up Phil's range for nut flush draws. How many will he have here VS sets? Hard to say, and Phil will take advantage of his reputation for being tight to make these kinds of plays as bluffs once in a while. Probably not enough to balance when he's doing it for value though, so I lean towards a fold. Nitty, yes, but you beat Phil by exploiting his tendency for making too-tight folds, not by stacking off in close positions with one pair hands, so I fold, but I could also see an argument for getting it in on a safe turn.

With AA no heart I'm definitely going to value bet much bigger on the flop since we unblock all draws and top pairs. When we bet small we need to understand this means our range should be a lot wider so there's absolutely no way we're folding AA. Given the pre-flop action nobody will have QQ and it's even pretty unlikely that they will have TT. So we only lose to QT basically. I would be calling the raise and looking to call down on safer runouts (no heart, no 9). The hardest spot would be if an Ace of hearts comes as we would have top set but straights and flushes would all get there.

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@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

Quickly reraise all in like you have a big draw and want him to fold KQ. He could have AQ hearts which makes you about a 5/4 favorite. He doesn’t have QQ and that leaves 44, TT, and QTs for hands you’re behind on.

Am I the only person surprised to see Phil playing $2-5?

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

He plays with the fans from time to time.

Intro: mystery opponent Title: Phil HELLMUTH Was FURIOUS At This PLAY By Brad OWEN! Very mysterious indeed

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@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

This was 3 years ago but I would have called the flop

I thought Brad said this was at the Orleans when he posted it, not the Rio. But maybe not.

Phil getting outplayed in a cash game by someone who has played 20 years less. Sounds about right. 7 final tables though this WSOP. Interesting Jekyll and Hide dynamic.

Yea I would call the min raise even when I feel I'm beat for that amount with aces.

I’d either re raise or jam depending how much the player and I have

Good stuff.

Hellmuth talks to Matasow about playing tight. Fold Fold Fold

Opponent is himself, Brad Owen.

I think the tell was in the way he said, "rrrrrAISE it." It didn't seem to apply to the hands that Brad could beat.

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@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

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what happen to the hand strength video? I wanted to watch, it's deleted now

Call, Check-jam any non heart turn

I'm prob folding everything other than sets and crazy combo draws Was actually shocked PH just had two pair. he's a nit

“Phil Hellmith” lol

Call - get it in on safe turns.

I would happily call this raise!

Personally don't like the fold (except if you literally have a soul read on your opponent) for a couple of reasons. 1. As someone mentioned, you can get check-raised way too often if this is shown on the vlog. He's gotta consider that since he's vlogging he can't make some exploitative plays that other players can make since a lot of people he plays with, watch his videos as well. 2. I think a call is totally fine, we can evaluate turns. Phil can easily have KQ, QJs or even some bluffs like Kh9x, AhJx etc. 3. There are some good turns for you as well, as in this exact instance. Also, you're letting all his flush draws easily take it down without even getting there. Again, I think Brad is a much better cash player than me and obviously knows the field way better so I'm dead sure he had a massive read on Phil. But I'd still lean to calling one street cause of the reasons mentioned above. Let me know what you guys think as well. Any reasons I missed out or any reasons I missed out as to why a fold is fine here.

Normally this is too exploitable to fold to check raise on flop. Have to call and see what he does on turn. That said. Since we know how Helmuth plays, we can find a tight fold. But I would really like to call one more street and see what he does on a safe card.

Without a heart, I jam. With the heart, it depends on my opponent. With all of the poker I've watched from Phil, I'd say this is a fold, but it's a tough spot

@OGRE_HATES_NERDS

Жыл бұрын

but do you have the commitment to go with it?

Hero iso's villain's limp with AcAd, gets called in four spots. Pot is 100. Flop is QhTh4c. Our red ace is a diamond. We bet 1/3 pot, fols to villain, who raises a hair under pot, pretty much exactly pot once you realize the pot is going to be fully raked. What do we do? We are not going to fold. And we are not gong to raise. What does that leave? Calling, obviously. We are not going to like an ace, nine, or heart on the turn or river, and a king or jack is not much fun for us either. Let's try to put the villain on a range, given that he open-limped (terribad) and did not 3-bet after the hero iso'ed and got called in three spots. If he has a pocket pair, it is probably jacks or less. Maybe he has QQ; a lot of old-school players distrust that hand, treating it like a medium pair rather than a premium hand. He can have a bunch of AhXh and AsXs, a lot of suited connectors, maybe as small as 54s, possibly as big as KQs (although he should be thinking of opening with a hand this strong rather than limping). Suited gappers are possible down to maybe T8s, maybe lower, if he is thinking that he's Phil Hellmuth, goddammit, and he can beat these monkeys with any remotely playable hand. But Phil is arrogant and a narcissist, and he is woefully ignorant of the modern game, but he isn't stupid, and he presumably understands position and starting hand selection. He checked the flop, and check-raised, after the hero bet small and the other players dropped out. As I said, he does not understand the modern game, and he may very well look at that small bet as being "weak." His value range is of course going to include TT and 44 and, if he has the no-limit dinosaur's fear of QQ as a "medium" pair, QQ. It will also include hands like KQs, but likely not KQo (no-limit dinosaurs think of KQo as a "trouble hand"). I would discount AQs, but not rule it out entirely (but there is only one combo, AsQs, available because of our two ace blockers in our hand). Three combos of KQs or even JQs are more likely, He might even think that QJs is strong enough to checkraise a "weak" 1/3 pot c-bet. He has all three QTs in his range, but no Q4 or T4. His bluff range includes a whole lot of AhXh, as well as KhJh or Jh9h (for an OESFD) and maybe even K9s for a gutshot SFD. He has other KJs and J9s combos as well, and a whole lot of connectors and gappers with heart draws with backdoor straight potential as well. So he has a lot of hands to pick from to bluff with, as well as his value hands, some of which we beat.. He might even be fool enough to checkraise a hand like AT because he smells weakness in the 1/3-pot c-bet. So we are going to call here, and likely continue with a safe turn card. Folding is out of the question, and raising is foolhardy.

Call (float) jam on the turn

My choice is to call the raise. Phil probably has a drawing hand from which I can get away later, if this board connects any further.

against the gen pop id peel and look for a safe turn to continue. that being said i remembered this vlog and knew the outcome of this particular hand already, so saying fold woulda been dishonest.

Call for sure, probably let him fire again on the turn and evaluate as we go along.

I'm ripping all in variance take the wheel

Your headphone cords look like some ice !

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

Bling blind!

I’m going to call.

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Snap muck. Don't pay off the nit. Phil Hellmuth is not often bluffing an UTG raiser's c bet into 4 people without having AA beat. He bluffs in good bluff spots, not smart cards. He's got it here, I'd guess some kind of QT suited.

I would just push. I don't think Phil has many monsters here. He wouldn't have limped TT or QQ, that leaves him basically with 44 and QTs which will beat us. I don't think he is so loose that he would limp/call T4s or Q4s. (Of course Brad would knew better because he has the reads.) Against QTs we have still a lot of equity. However, he can have an awful lot of draws. Flush draws, straight draws, combo draws. We block none of them. Because the pot is so big he would have difficulties to fold his draw. So I guess we are 2:1 favorite on his range, he can't fold a lot of weaker hands and then I just push it. I think this is superior to calling, because half the deck completes a flush or a straight draw. This would create a difficult situation on the turn, because he seldom has both and we would still have an equity of 30% or something if a draw arrives. It would be difficult to fold when a scare card comes except it is a flush card K, J, 9. Also another T or 4 could be bad in case he bluffs 54s or something which he could. We would be in bad shape on the turn on a lot of cards. If a safe card comes we are likely to not get a lot of money from weaker hands at the turn. So I like to getting it in at the flop when we are in good shape and he can't get out of the pot easily with his draws because he still has a lot of equity. Edit: Ok, I was completely wrong with my assumptions. It looks like Phil is a lot less aggressive and less balanced than I thought. The video title was somewhat misleading because Phil wasn't furious at all. He was quite friendly and took it like a sportsman, I think. Phil being furious sounds completey different. Still, nice video.

Call. Folding overpairs to a raise OTF is a sure fire way to get exploited. Sure, PH has QT here very often, but he could have some NFDs along with pair + draw. Everyone already folded once action got to PH, which nobody seemed to mention yet. Its a lot easier to raise on a draw when the field has already folded to BO's c-bet. OBV, the 4 OTT is a tough card because A4❤ is def a hand PH could have so if he does jam, it would be a really tough call. Bottom line, I think its a call to evaluate the turn. Safe cards that don't pair the board, and PH keeps firing, maybe you fold. But here I'd call.

@frankdevries5739

2 жыл бұрын

I think he folded because he was a bit intimidated to play against Phil Helmuth. I seriously doubt if he would have folded this to any other player,

Shove it all!!

So I can call with queen high 60% of the time? 80%? Somewhere in between?

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure what you mean.

I'm calling

At 4:50 after getting raised by Phil I would probably just get up and walk away🤣

I’m ripping it all in tbh, if I lose so be it 😂

5:19 point, Aces raise PH to 315

Damn we missed another Hellmuth bad beat rant.

Has anybody ever watched Phil play before? Can't put him on much worse than QT or 44. The percentage of time he does this on a draw is pretty low (he generally plays draws passively) and the chance he does it with a long Queen is even lower. This is a relatively easy fold.

@PokerCoaching

2 жыл бұрын

...you must have missed all of High Stakes Duel.

@bc1sjw

2 жыл бұрын

@@PokerCoaching I watched all the matches against Antonio and a good chunk of the first one against Negreanu. I've also watched him on TV shows for 15 years. Yes he can bluff, but the frequency is low. He's made a succesful career out of being a nit and having the nuts. Come on you know this - you must have played against him a fair few times, you know this to be true!

Nice video btw

saw this hand already. fold is good if opponent only is raising with 2 pair+

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2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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7 ай бұрын

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