Well there’s 10 minutes I’ll never get back.

The physical body is as dead as the chair, but it looks alive because it's activated by the living force.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Shakti!

Only pain exists

@mattcorregan4760

Жыл бұрын

Pleasure doesn't exist? Surely it is not just the absence of pain.

It's amusing to me that van Inwagen stated he "wrote a book" on this topic, when his own position forbids him from thinking that there are any books (or indeed any computers he could have used to write one).

@jordanh1635

Жыл бұрын

How does his position forbid writing books?

@legron121

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanh1635 His position is that there are no inanimate physical objects (other than fundamental particles). If so, there are no such things as ‘books’.

@jordanh1635

Жыл бұрын

@@legron121 But wouldn't he say like the chair in the video that the book exists under a set of billions of more fundamental subatomic particles?

@legron121

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanh1635 No, he doesn’t think that the chair exists at all, not even under a collection of particles. He kept reminding Robert that he doesn’t think “chair” refers to anything in the world. The same would apply to “book”.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps his books are made from "immaterial substance". LOLz

Peter is my favorite kind of guest. I’m not sure whether I agree with him or not, but I have different questions now.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

Can you trust a man who invents "immaterial substance" to support his assertions?

Parmenides said that things are illusionary, but that existence is real and eternal. Start from there.

I have to agree that there is no there there

With all do respect it seems to me personally that his book has a ghost writer...

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

A team of them.

He failed to address the living tree. The chair was made from the wood of a tree. If you cut a large branch from a living tree the tree continues and the branch that " doesn't exist" is made into a chair that doesn't exist? Where does that leave your finger?

@gedofgont1006

Жыл бұрын

Desperately trying to plug the gaping hole in his logic? 👉🤡

@mattcorregan4760

Жыл бұрын

I think his response would be that the finger no longer exists because it is no longer living, that the fundamental particles that comprise the amputated finger are no longer experiencing the flow of fundamental particles in and out of itself so that the finger is now in the same category as the chair. It's a very nuanced argument and I would like to read his book to see if I accept his presuppositions.

@thejackdiamondart

Жыл бұрын

@@mattcorregan4760 Yeah I got where he wanted us to go but he gave me the feeling that he was uncomfortable with his own explanation. How about wooden chairs and fingers are fossils where life used to exist as part of a bigger thing that may or may not have gone on; so it's okay to make chairs or chess pieces out of them... the wood that is, not so much the finger. What to do about the finger I don't know; I know you don't want to get caught giving it to anyone!

@jamesnordblom855

Жыл бұрын

Still attached if you did it right. :)

@mattcorregan4760

Жыл бұрын

@@thejackdiamondart No, I wouldn't lol! We attach more significance to a dismembered finger because we connect that finger to a living being, so through most individuals moral framework, we would consider that a more significant event than finding a piece of chair. Under Inwagen's theory of existence for material objects though, the finger and the piece of chair would be no different. They both would be composed of fundamental particles that are now static (excluding forces of decomposition), meaning no influx of new particles and no efflux of old ones. But that seems wrong to me. The finger and piece of chair have a different source (a person vs. a chair), and a different arrangement of fundamental particles. That would mean, under his theory, that the finger and the piece of chair are non-existent in different ways. Can objects not exist in different manners? It seems to me that nonexistence can only be one state and not various states. I would be interested in how he would respond to that.

How are the particles of the chair stuck? Since the chair is decaying.

Well, that didn't amount to much. 😎

I'm sure there's more to it, but bottom line: _adding up to something_ seems to mean being an eating/sh*tting machine. What would a star forming nebula be then?

@tonyatkinson2210

Жыл бұрын

Same thing . Just substitute food for gas and excrement as stars .

@leonreynolds77

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we wouldn't be here at all without the "false things" he says aren't real. What a bunch of bs. (this guy being interviewed)

Which book did he write about this?

Atheists don't realise that if you don't believe in a creator, you're saying, by default, our finite universe created itself

@andrewforbes1433

Жыл бұрын

A vocal set of theists don't seem to realize that creators have to be accounted for, too. Or is it Yahwehs all the way down?

@jonathanwalther

Жыл бұрын

Exactly Samuel. And there's nothing wrong with that notion. If you introduce a creator into your "equation", you even have to explain much more, than if you assume, our Universe startet from a wiggle in the quantum soup blowing itself up.

@TurinTuramber

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that a false dichotomy, why can't the universe be eternal. My view is that the universe is something beyond our comprehension of eternity.

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewforbes1433 Accounted for? So you say. Are you an Almighty God who is singular & plural( ie Trinity).. and had a reason for a 6 day creation with the 7th day for Himself. What was the last Universe you created? lol. The Function, Intelligence & Mind CATEGORIES with causal links ... prove ... the Universe & Life are Functions composed entirely of Functions and can only be made by an Intelligence. The Mind of an Intelligence is Unnatural & nonphysical( soul/spirit). Man is a Natural Intelligence with a Mind, free will, nature & consciousness ... made by ... an UNNATURAL intelligence with a mind, free will, nature & consciousness. Man has a body & MInd. The Mind of Man is ... natural ( brain) & unnatural (soul). Animals also have a body & mind, but do not have a soul because they are not an INTELLIGENCE like Man Chimps share 99% of Human DNA ... but can not think & do ... 1% of what Man's body & mind can do. This fact confirms the Mind of Man ... is MORE ... than the brain. Man also has a soul. God did create Man in His(plural) likeness with a body & soul ... to live forever with God as His Children .... so long as Man ... obeys once simple rule: "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge, otherwise you ( body & soul) will die." God only created Adam & Eve .. with perfect bodies & souls ... and gave them FREE WILL and that ability to pro-Create the Human Race. And God knew Man would fall and bring death to all of creation, and how to save His Children from death ( body & soul) by sending His son to be a sin sacrifice for any be believes. Every single Human being ... will freely choose to think & do evil ... because the body of Man has been corrupted by the Fall .. and is the Nature of Man. This is Jesus ( Son of God) had to be born of a virgin ( ie made by God) because a corrupt Human body will cause Him to think & do evil. The facts & sciences prove a powerful intelligence CREATED the Universe & Life. Christianity proves God (Father, Son & Spirit) is the powerful intelligence that CREATED everything ... and fully explained why. Man has free will & nature ... to think, believe, say & do whatever he wants with ... the facts & science, politics, arts, law, culture, History, ... a Jew called Yeshua who said He is the promised Messiah in the Torah and the Son of God, sent to be a sin sacrifice to save the souls of any who simply believe.

@andrewforbes1433

Жыл бұрын

@@abelincoln8885 It’s a shame that god didn’t explain how to use ellipses.

I believe the question is wrong for the reason that there is only EXistence (otherwise known as IX a couple of thousands of years ago).

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

Existence exists, is one of two things we can a assert with any certainty. Beyond that it's thoughtful speculation until we reach Theism, which is wild speculation.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 Fully agree with you. One minor note. Theism is derived from Theos which means Turiya which means not only Consciousness but also Self. Hence why the definition of existence is ultimately the same as theism. Words are many but .... is one.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

@@waldwassermann Interesting but I can't find any citations for the Turiya association on the etymology of Theos (meaning god or gods). Certainly in modern discussions, Theism refers specifically to the belief in a personal, interventionist god. AFAIK. Cheers.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 Yes. Difficult to find. Translations get lost over time. But theo = torah = turiya. It's not listed online. Perhaps purposely so. I have no clue. Best wishes.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

@@waldwassermann Thanks for the follow up.

There are days when God thinks, why did I create something from nothing. Glad chairs exist. At this rate Shrodingers cat is sitting on a chair in a box.

How brain as individual brain and how brain interact with brains, can we isolate conciousness

A Christian compositional nihilist, you don't meet one those everyday. He says God is concrete yet immaterial. As a compositional nihilist in saying God is concrete, he is also saying that God isn't a discrete thing but just a collection of many smaller simpler immaterial things. Quite radical. Sorry, make that confused.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

I think he is trying to bury the foundational b*llsh*t in layers of peripheral BS.

Random consequences in abstract infinity by constructing materialising...

God doesn't want to remember he is One so not to be alone.

What is the name of the gentleman who does the interviewing?

@Chris-nm9uj

Жыл бұрын

Robert Lawrence Kuhn

Excellent.... thanks 🙏.

the chair is alive, its got microbes that are consuming the chair.

Where's the beef?

I think all atoms move together according to the wave function. (Like pixels on a screen) If a chair doesn't exist than neither do I? The underlying issue is that might be true and it's all an illusion?

they consume a lot of energy and give each other titles and prizes too ! so strange !

Very, very interesting

so strange they way they interpret Gravitational Constant !

Could the planet earth be classified as a living organism , is the universe conscious ? , both react and interact with our actions

Ohh Come on 🧐🙄

There is still a long way from "activity" to "life".

@tonyatkinson2210

Жыл бұрын

How do you know life doesn’t evolve easily ?

Could abstractions like mathematics have more concrete existence than physical reality?

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

That's a contradiction in terms. An abstraction of the sort you describe, does not have any concrete physicality, by definition.

So what is the difference between living protein and non-living protein? You must agree there is a difference. What is it?

@jonathanwalther

Жыл бұрын

There is no living or non-living protein. The question is, how are "some" (that is: millions upon millions) constituents (be it quarks, electrons, atoms, moleculs, proteins, cells, younameit) assembled together to form an entity whish we then attribute the property of being alive. But proteins alona are definitely not alive, unless you have a veeeery broad definition of what "alive" means.

@jamesnordblom855

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanwalther You are correct. I meant living to be protein that packed a life form and non living to be the same protein but non living. Causality not included.

It seems to my ignorant mind that both religion and science are deterministic and that I truly don’t have free will. So, for me ultimately it doesn’t really matter. I’ll plod along in this worldly quagmire until I dissolve into…

@jonathanwalther

Жыл бұрын

And rightfully you do so. There are different level to describe he world, as Sean Carroll puts it neatly. One level of description is our experience "from the inside" and it's totally fine to use ideas like "free will" to describe your motivations or desires. But atm we cannot decide, if free will is a helpful(?) illusion or a fact.

@jacovawernett3077

Жыл бұрын

I hear you. You may even be a Prophet of God. Nothingness is His vacation spot. Naturally the Soul is robust.

Are numbers reducible to time? In other words are the abstract formulations of geometries, algebras, knots, topologies, imaginary numbers, bases all unfolding frequencies and wavelengths of space. Not matter, space? Time is the frame rate of spatial geometry that gives one the impression of moving matter and solid matter. Not just a constant frame rate but an accelerating, decelerating frame rate.

@kallianpublico7517

Жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 Then what are words? Because numbers are a subcategory of words.

All elements of the Nature exist = the elements of imagine + the elements out of the imagine.

not only that he has many clear contradictions.

@leonreynolds77

Жыл бұрын

Yep talks out of side of his mouth basically.

Metaphysics The clever coyote (greed) is always trying to catch the roadrunner (love). But never does. Because something that is not real (absence of love) can never catch that which is real (love). That coyote is a crazy clown... The roadrunner is the state bird of the Land of Enchantment. The land of magic (love).

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

Most excellent.

I have to admit that: the thief apes won.

3:39 "material and nonmaterial *_substance_* " Peter just invented a category of matter which does not exist but which is necessary for his god to exist. This is just one more reason why Theology should not be allowed to issue Doctorates.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Dr. van Inwagen’s Ph.D. is in philosophy, not theology. I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 Oh Josh. Here you are again, nit picking in order to distract from the elephant in the room, that ""material and nonmaterial substance "" is utter farcical crap and the one time president of the _Society Of CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHERS,_ ought to know that. Either he can't think straight or he's peddling bullsh*t. Which is it? But I agree, Philosophy shouldn't be able to grant PhDs either.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 Why?

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 Why? Sorry - you have to parse this first. "material and nonmaterial substance " No more distractions until you do the work.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 … you’re the one that first made the *assertion* that the concept was bullshit. Why should I have to defend the claim that it’s not?

Might infinite abstractions be either part of God or develop from God without creation?

If reality believes in " things" first of all he explains what he defines "things" . Without definitions arent Science Instead only obscure abstraction. In Guys words GOD are linking with things show their minds are worthless phisch.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@pouya Shiva+Shakti=One.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@pouya There is no such thing as separation... - Thich Nhat Hanh

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@pouya Perhaps the bodymind complex acts as a veil and perhaps the reason for the veil is love? It is after all not good to be alone.

God Sri Krishna exists beyond time , in Mahabharata He shows his universal form to Arjuna.

@longcastle4863

Жыл бұрын

So Krishna's a flasher?

@stephenr80

Жыл бұрын

Dont mean disrespect but was mahabharata peer reviewed?

@mikel4879

Жыл бұрын

Chayane Bosh / You forgot Srikuru, Kakashna, Abracadabra and Prajina. A big omission!

@chayanbosu3293

Жыл бұрын

@@mikel4879 A man can see in his dream that he is immortal and he never dies but alas i think that man will get his evidance after death that he is not immortal so you can mock scripture but never get any solution.

A "non-physical substance." Isn't that a contradiction of terms?

Matter exists made by God which makes everything else possible as well as the programming of living organisms. It’s matter that dilates time and distance.

@tonyatkinson2210

Жыл бұрын

If god “programmed “ organisms , he’s a poor programmer . It’s obvious that biology is bottom -up, not top -down

@JungleJargon

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyatkinson2210 The reason your programming is so bad is because it was programmed top down. You wouldn’t exist if it tried to program itself bottom up. If you can get a coherent statement from mindless matter, you would win $10 million dollars. 💸

@tonyatkinson2210

Жыл бұрын

@Jungle Jargon It’s clearly bottom up . No goal . That’s why the designs are bad

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyatkinson2210 Beware. Jungle Jargon is luring you to the crumbling edge of a woo-woo pit.

Can God experience infinite abstractions at same time?

But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: Luke 12:7‭-‬8 KJV

😃 I hope this video wasn't an attempted answer to the question "do chairs exist?" I posed in comment I recently posted to a video in this series. The point I was driving at there, (I think, I'm not sure I entirely recall now, lol) was that the constituent members of our ontological reality may well include "metaphorical entities", such as words, letters and alphabets, that don't uniquely correspond to anything physical but might be viewed as corresponding to some class of physical phenomena, instances or events. And also, that our ontological reality, or rather, objects, such as individual chairs, that might exist within our ontological reality, might not correspomd very well to anything actually existing in physical reality. My "Does the english alphabet exist?" was of course intended as a mild dig at "ontological materialism" and also those who seem worried about the ( ontological ) reality of mathematical entities and platonic forms. By the way, the key ontological "objection" to "chairs" isn't simply that we believe that what we perceive doesn't correspond very well with what we believe to be actually physically present (a collection of atoms, say) , but it also has to do with the "arbitrariness" of the gestalt. Instead of recognizing a chair resting in front of round, three legged table, on which sits on plate, say, wouldn't it be possible, (especially, say, if we were German, -this is intended as a little joke), to regard the entire ensemble as a single, recognizable "thing", for which we might have some single word reserved to specify it? This is the questioning of the possible arbitrariness of "forms", like "chair", "table", "bed", "house" etc., and the suggestion that all of these things are simply "gestalts", which formed in connection with the development of language. (I mean, were anyone actually interested, this, what I just mentioned, does have an important bearing on the question of why "chairs" are regarded to be real entities, but anywho..) Anyway, I'm really not making any kind of criticism here, and more or less just cheerfully blabbing. All the best to all.

It is very difficult to get closer to the truth, when we do not use a common starting position for our discussions. For my part, the only thing I know for sure is that I exist. Everything else is based upon a set of assumptions. The key assumption: The world we are meant to understand is delivered by our senses. From there we can build a logically consistent set of knowledge based upon the information delivered by our senses.

@JustAThought01

Жыл бұрын

I argue that both the chair and the humans exist because I can see both. I agree that living things and non living things have different characteristics. Living things are more complex than non living things. They contain more information.

@S3RAVA3LM

Жыл бұрын

True. Probably very important to reduce what we really are. Example: is music the radio or the speakers or the magnets; or is music light which is a sound wave in the aether and is the Aether itself, or a frequency and vibration and energy. The radio or speakers are just the medium for the music to cross over. Are humans the body, the senses, the mind?

@JustAThought01

Жыл бұрын

@@S3RAVA3LM, if we assume that what we see is real, then the body is real. The actions the body takes are real. The mind in my body is real. I assume that others also have a mind.

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

blah, blah, blah. The common starting position is ... the Natural ( Physical) exists. The space, time, laws of Nature and the matter & energy of this Universe are real. And from this Man ( an intelligence) can determined if this is the only existence. Only an intelligence ( like Man) makes abstract & physical Functions (systems) Data, information & knowledge are abstract constructs ... made only by the mind of an intelligence ( eg Man) and are clearly real. There are logically only two realities/existences: 1. Natural ( physical) where matter & energy obey the Laws of Nature 2. Unnatural ( non-physical) which is the realm of the Mind of an Intelligence. The Intelligence & Function Categories and causal links ... proves ... the Universe & Life are Functions composed entirely of Functions and can only be made by an intelligence. Therefore the Mind of an Intelligence is unnatural & non-physical ( ie soul/spirit). Man is a natural intelligence with a mind, free will & nature ... made by ... and unnatural intelligence with a mind, free will & nature. The Mind of Man is natural (brain) & unnatural (soul). Animals do not have a soul/spirit because they are not an intelligence like Man. Chimps have a body & mind and share 99% of Human DNA ... but ... cannot think & do 1% of what the body & mind of Man can do. This confirms the Mind of Man is more than just a brain. Man's mind is body & soul. And Jesus ( Son of God) confirmed 2 000 years ago that the Mind of Man is body & soul ... by being born of a virgin ( ie not having a corrupt human body) ... and the great commandment ("Love God with all your heart, mind & soul"). The evidence that God did created Man in His likeness with a body & soul .... is simple, clear and obvious. Everything in the Universe ( the only reality we know) has clear & obvious purpose, form, DESIGN, & information .. which can only come from the mind of an intelligence. You start with what we know for a fact. What is the the Universe & everything in it( especially Man).

@FalseCogs

Жыл бұрын

What is this "I" that you know exists? Which component or observed effect is the "I"? Where does "I" begin and end?

I wonder: the galaxy is so big, I believe there is one God, but if there are so many stars, does another galaxy have the same God, do aliens know the same God?

@FalseCogs

Жыл бұрын

Do two random humans know the same God?

Scientists speak a lot in a manner as if they know a lot that we don't. In fact, they assume they know a lot wheb actually they know Nothing that is Absolute

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

At least they provide some data and are consistent with observations in nature. Theists proclaim perfect knowledge based on claimed observations of supernatural events. I'll stick with science.

@1stPrinciples455

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 is singularity Observable? Is 5th dimension Observable? If not why is it science and not belief?

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

@@1stPrinciples455 " is singularity Observable?" Is god observable? "Is 5th dimension Observable?" Is your grasping at straws by throwing sh*t at the wall, hoping something sticks, observable? Why, yes it is.

@1stPrinciples455

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 no, I was asking a pertinent question because singularity is part of a scientific theory

I had responsibility towards future generations, I had to talk in hope to help and protect them, I do not care about the apes' world, from my perspective it is a real punishment, but I forgot that I am stucked among the thief apes, and it is the apes' rules on the planet of the apes prevailing. I declare that I give up, and that the apes won "congratulations". Oh Apes: Congratulations you won, enjoy it.

@glenemma1

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations to you. Are you the only non-ape? The human story is yet young and it may be too soon to come to conclusions.

@haroonaverroes6537

Жыл бұрын

bounce away ! no minds, no morals, no principles, no values, ... nothing related to humans! thief apes !

The tree exists but the chair does not... Thought provoking. I would have liked to hear the complete interview.

This is my favorite clip by Peter van Inwagen. Sounds like nonsense until he starts talking about life being things, and I'd have to agree I had similar thoughts as they are systems and have identity. Awesome! Shortcut: "Theseus ship"-like things have identity and exist

What if there is something in human being, and to lesser extent other life, that reverts to mathematics from particles (physical brain), something like the reverse of quantum measurement?

by the way: what Einstein said about equivalence principle is wrong, Gravitational Constant and the different weight on different planets and many other evidences in the outer space, all indicate that his assumption is wrong. all planets accelerate, mostly the same regardless the location of many object on the same planet (study case). he did a good work by connecting gravity to space and time, that is why his theory does work as a wrapper (incomplete) gravity has to do with space and time, that is why his theory does work, but incomplete. very likely it is a property in every particle that interacts with the gravitational field as soon as it enters it, and that is why all objects fall at the same rate (deals with each particle independently regardless it location to other atoms in the same object) and that is why both gravitational and inertial forces are indistinguishable. that is without deeper understanding of space, time, acceleration, constants, ...etc. there is no chance to understand gravity.

@keithrelyea7997

Жыл бұрын

Do you have any other "By the ways" cause if you do you might want to do a much better job of laying out you position than you do here.

@haroonaverroes6537

Жыл бұрын

not for the apes, just bounce away.

@haroonaverroes6537

Жыл бұрын

Einstein was a good scientist no doubt, but the storytellers those ruminate the work of real former scientists aren't ! that does not underestimate Einstein, it is not his job to make it perfect, I am pretty sure that if he still alive then he wouldn't like those live under his cloak for nearly a century ! it is not the job of one person or even a generation to solve all scientific problems (I talk here about real scientists not about storytellers).

Absolute stupidity. You can’t have things “made by a ‘God’” and things not made by “God”

Men's limitations can in no way be God's limitations. If you are overwhelmed by something, you are wrong if you conclude that God is equally overwhelmed by it.

not humans, unbelievable ! double punishment.

“WHAT”, God is overwhelmed. Do these two even know what they’re talking about?

God, again?! These people talk about God like it was their first cousin!

White House…is light n Color out there or in mind. Idk. Xx

God can't be ''overwhelmed by all these abstract objects'' as the interviewer suggests because nothing is separate from God. There is not God and objects, or God and the universe. There is only God. Everything is the unfoldment of God. The apparent vast number of things is irrelevant for there is only One ''thing'' actually, and that is God. The use of the word God is offensive to some because it has religious connotations. I can understand this. Therefore, maybe it is best to call it nothing.

Imagine what we ourselves have brought into existence: medicines, x-rays, cars, cookies. These abstract concepts or images belong in the higher intelligible realities, without which we would not have been able to do the chemistry or engineering so to fashion these design here into local(temperoral) existence. These things never existed by themselves in nature, however the material and laws, which we work with, along with are faculties, imagination, creativity, trial and error we to made things like God, because abit of God is in all of us. We can make bombs to destroy or medicine to heal -- depending apon our own discipline. There is a positive aspect and a negative aspect, and the universe has them balance; whereas man always falters because of materialism or Maya, and the ego tyrant. It's God that allows for anything to exist. For anything to exist in the temperal is but a dim image of the form in the intelligible realities, as matter is a reciprocal like a mirror recieving the image of the form but is not properly that form but a dim image of. God alone exists -- that is to say: life, light, consciousness, providence, unity, Oneness, Ether, Divinity.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

Why call existence such a loaded term as god? it is unnecessary baggage.

@S3RAVA3LM

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 you'll have to prove why existence itself alone exists and what is predicated of existence and the qualities and what attributes it has, causes and effects so something else, like human beings, can determine what does in fact exist, both properly and locally. Existence isn't the cause of light, consciousness, intellect, ether, divinity, etc. Without which nothing would exist be it properly or locally. Good luck.

@con.troller4183

Жыл бұрын

@@S3RAVA3LM "Existence isn't the cause of light, consciousness, intellect, ether, divinity, etc. " So you can make assertions without evidence but I can't? OK. Nice rules, for you.

@S3RAVA3LM

Жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 No. I'm asking you to prove your contemptible claim believing existence itself is a cause of anything. Come on. You make fun of others all the time. Now it's you who has to dig out of the fool's hole. You think existence is something itself, and is the cause of. Tell me, what attributes does existence have?

@owencampbell4947

Жыл бұрын

Where are all the atoms we are made of? can we see them? why waste the time trying to look through everything and say that's reality? lying to yourself because others lie themselves with the same arguments that reality is not real. Well, stop eating and you will experience a painful fact about reality and the consequences of a wrong ideology.

The only things that really exist are quantums of energy - discrete machines that constructed us through evolution. Quantum of action is their action. And first of those discrete machines was god.

@con.troller4183

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"And first of those discrete machines was god." Prove it.

@matterasmachine

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@@con.troller4183 action is discrete

@con.troller4183

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@@matterasmachine Another baseless assertion is not evidence. Prove that god is necessary for anything to exist at all.

@matterasmachine

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@@con.troller4183 is anything ever proved in science? Anyway any logical sequence needs a starting point. You were created by parents, they were created by their parents. Moving up this way we can only get to first creator - god.

@con.troller4183

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@@matterasmachine "is anything ever proved in science? " Well no but theism isn't science so, there you go. But if you insist... provide credible, testable evidence to substantiate your hypothesis that god exists. Satisfied? "Anyway any logical sequence needs a starting point. " Except for God, according to you. I make an exception for existence. Your God doesn't have the monopoly on being its own cause.

God! - Hmm!? Overwhelm “0” and/or “1”.......Overwhelm Choice!?....!? Overwhelm Pi!? God is in the detail, and the Detail is what cannot be overwhelmed! I do not see the challenge I just pay “Attention To Attention” And cannot Be discussed, a participatory Detail overwhelms Space/Time. Just realise You are the detail!? Peace.

God did not create us, but we created God.

@joshheter1517

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Thanks for weighing in, Roland!

X-Files Metaphysics Joy, beauty and harmony (heaven) has no mass and weight. Misery, ugliness and conflict (hell) has no mass and weight either. The hostile alien vampires (greed) that rule US are blind and cannot see the ignorance of transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war). The capitalist counting corpses are also blind and cannot see the ignorance of destroying the planet. Unlike earthling poets, artists, musicians, mystics, human beings and creators of joy...the capitalist counting corpses that rule US can't create harmony (real intelligence) because vampires (greed) are far worse than stupid. The loveless, lifeless parasites are ignorant (dead). Vampires (greed) who suck the joy out of life have joined the zombies who eat the futures of their children. Zombie Apocalypse is here and happening now. Question. Why are the evangelical counting corpses using the bible as a springboard to perform somersaults to do the exact opposite of "love their neighbors" and "treat others like they want to be treated"? Answer. This is sick. Because these simple concepts are too far out there to grasp for vampires and zombies. Lead into gold Tears into roses Weapons into ploughshares

Reality being simulated seems to be the most plausible argument

I don't agree with what he said, faulty mindset in my opinion. All physical things are made of atoms period. Atoms are real, very real.

John 16:23-24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you." Ok.. In the name of Jesus..Why don't you (Yahweh, Jehovah, God..Whatever name you prefer.) simply come on to Facebook and easily clear up All doubt about your existence? :/

Firstly, if it really exists then it has be Goddess.

"It" isn't even a they -- or even a thing. The constituent parts are not even "its." There are no nouns, only verbs. Just transitory and continually changing processes according to particular causes and conditions. His apparent distinction between "living" and "non-living" things is also not internally consistent. If you take apart all the constituent elements of a "car," for example, there is no essence of "car" remaining, only a yard full of auto parts. Same for a human or other living thing. The consciousness of the living thing is a function, just like the running car is a function. Once disassembled, no more "thing," and no more function.

@FalseCogs

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What about a noun from a verb, such as to say that all are _happenings?_ Without division, this might be simply _The Happening_ or _Great Unfolding._

@ricklanders

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@@FalseCogs Sure, that's mainly a semantic difference though, I think. The point is that nothing is ever static, regardless of what we call it. The habit (or deep-seated cultural perspective) of labeling all these "happenings" (or one happening) as static "things" ultimately creates theoretical problems. It's not even true, is the first problem. So it's doubtful one would come to an accurate conclusion starting from a misapprehension or mistaken premise, in my opinion.

@FalseCogs

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@@ricklanders I generally agree. It may be worth noting, nevertheless, that "accuracy" may be a relative concept that depends on intent. If the goal is to accomplish some material effect, then an understanding or framework that achieves that goal may be practically or heuristically "accurate". Since it may be impossible to be certain that we have ever traced back physics to the "final" substrate, relative understanding may be the best we can hope for. The question may then become, is our scope of relativity sufficient to our goal?

You lost me at god.

@joshheter1517

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Why?

He is making assumed connections. Dodgy philosophy to say the least.

Please, forgive Peter! He was very high at the time of this discussion with Robert.

@joshheter1517

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Please, forgive Mike! He was very high at the time of this KZread comment. See how easy that is?

@mikel4879

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Josh H / If you think that just by repeating what other people say you become smart, then good luck! 🤣

@joshheter1517

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@@mikel4879 What a zing.

@joshheter1517

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@@leewang4539 What exactly does it say?

Well my multi thread stalker, first name Josh, just can't resist harassing people it seems so this is a re-re-post. LOL - - Oh boy. Not even 30 seconds into this video and besides begging the question, Kuhn invokes god as if it is a given. He describes abstract objects as things, cluttering up the godoshpere. Way to poison the discussion, Robert. WTactualF? - -

What rubbish

Another story from an assumed something assuming theres a lot of nothing

This is better explained In the Hindu philosophy

What on earth is this nonsense... ha ha bless you ‘god’ ‘really exist’ absurdities

I'll tell you a limitation on Yahweh, Peter. The complete absence of evidence for any supernatural events, ever. The existence of magic is central to the authority claims of Christianity (any all religions). Indeed supernaturalism is critical to the very existence of Yahweh. And yet there is no credible evidence that magical events did or even CAN happen.

@joshheter1517

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I don’t think he’s going to read this.

@abelincoln8885

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Stop being a TROLL .. conTROLLer. The Function, Intelligence & Mind Categories with causal links ... provides irrefutable evidence ... that an intelligence made the Universe & life, and an intelligence has a soul/spirit. This is the only way you can use the Laws of Nature ... to prove something that is UNNATURAL. Stop being a numbnut. Everything in the Universe has clear & obvious FUNCTION, purpose, form, design & INFORMATION. FFS you know for a fact that nature & natural processes can never made & operate he simplest machine ... made by man ( an intelligence). A machine is a Function composed of Functions. And the three types of physical machines are mechanical, electrical and ... molecular ( LIFE ). And yet freaks claim nature can make & operate the simplest molecular machine, and make it more complex .. with no actual evidence but only fake science. Pathetic.

@con.troller4183

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@@joshheter1517 I don't expect him to. It's rhetorical. You still have homework on another thread. Bye.

@joshheter1517

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@@con.troller4183 What are you hoping to achieve with that bit of rhetoric?

@con.troller4183

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@@joshheter1517 To demonstrate that every psuedo-academic claim made by "doctors" of Invisiblefriendology, are unfalsifiable and laughable bullsh*t. Try to keep up, Josh. Repeating the obvious to the oblivious is time consuming.

With a silly question like this for a YT video title, I finally know why I'm a christian. 🦧🤪😇

@con.troller4183

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This is self parody, I hope.